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"I see that cases per hundred thousand are also nearly three times as high in Scotland than in England and Wales. The Scots have stricter restrictions. Waste of time" What would the volume be without those restrictions? | |||
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"Figures in Scotland show there are more double jabbed and triple jabbed than unvaccinated in hospital. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19843315.covid-scotland-case-rates-lowest-unvaccinated-double-jabbed-elderly-drive-rise-hospital-admissions/" That's because there's more jabbed people | |||
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"I see that cases per hundred thousand are also nearly three times as high in Scotland than in England and Wales. The Scots have stricter restrictions. Waste of time What would the volume be without those restrictions?" Almost the same! They're not working and are only implemented to allow politicians to show they are more 'caring' than other politicians. I think they know that perfectly well. That's why they urge on ever more restrictions, while ignoring them themselves. Very revealing | |||
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"I see that cases per hundred thousand are also nearly three times as high in Scotland than in England and Wales. The Scots have stricter restrictions. Waste of time What would the volume be without those restrictions? Almost the same! They're not working and are only implemented to allow politicians to show they are more 'caring' than other politicians. I think they know that perfectly well. That's why they urge on ever more restrictions, while ignoring them themselves. Very revealing" Please demonstrate that to be true. | |||
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"I see that cases per hundred thousand are also nearly three times as high in Scotland than in England and Wales. The Scots have stricter restrictions. Waste of time What would the volume be without those restrictions? Almost the same! They're not working and are only implemented to allow politicians to show they are more 'caring' than other politicians. I think they know that perfectly well. That's why they urge on ever more restrictions, while ignoring them themselves. Very revealing" You only revealed your opinion | |||
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"I see that cases per hundred thousand are also nearly three times as high in Scotland than in England and Wales. The Scots have stricter restrictions. Waste of time What would the volume be without those restrictions? Almost the same! They're not working and are only implemented to allow politicians to show they are more 'caring' than other politicians. I think they know that perfectly well. That's why they urge on ever more restrictions, while ignoring them themselves. Very revealing" Is that just recently? The omicron has been working its way north, so it may be that Scotland is peaking later than the rest of the country. My area (Tyneside) was a hot-spot a week or so ago, but that's now past. | |||
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"Anyone able to post the proportional numbers so a comparison can be made? I know I could but some of you actually enjoy the number crunching "I used to be can't be bothered any more. It's been 3 years now and nearly 2 years of solid world wide data. The virus seems to have taken a turn for the better in terms of its danger and it is likely that a more targeted vacinnation programme will be used in years to come. If people are still playing daft with the numbers it's their own time they are wasting. Most people have little knowledge of infection and how it works but are more than happy to throw random numbers they find that suit a particular passion of theirs. | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. " You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines  | |||
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"I see that cases per hundred thousand are also nearly three times as high in Scotland than in England and Wales. The Scots have stricter restrictions. Waste of time What would the volume be without those restrictions? Almost the same! They're not working and are only implemented to allow politicians to show they are more 'caring' than other politicians. I think they know that perfectly well. That's why they urge on ever more restrictions, while ignoring them themselves. Very revealing Is that just recently? The omicron has been working its way north, so it may be that Scotland is peaking later than the rest of the country. My area (Tyneside) was a hot-spot a week or so ago, but that's now past. " Yes, they were the most recent figures as of yesterday. But there's often a timelag so they could be a few days old | |||
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"I note the absence of any comparisons between the illness severity and individuals' levels of having vaccinations . "Honestly is it worth it? Most people get it and those who don't have been told numerous times by world renowned scientists. (not UK worldwide) If after having all that information for 2 years they still choose to not follow the science then good luck to them. I garauntees they will still be using their gp and nhs when any future ailment impacts them, because when reality knocks on your front door and you need help suddenly science will be wonderful again. | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. " What is different is the hospitalisation and death rate | |||
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"I note the absence of any comparisons between the illness severity and individuals' levels of having vaccinations .
Honestly is it worth it?
Most people get it and those who don't have been told numerous times by world renowned scientists. (not UK worldwide)
If after having all that information for 2 years they still choose to not follow the science then good luck to them.
I garauntees they will still be using their gp and nhs when any future ailment impacts them, because when reality knocks on your front door and you need help suddenly science will be wonderful again. "Exactly this | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines "I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject. But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given. The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects. | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. What is different is the hospitalisation and death rate" How do you know thats due to the vaccine and not a viruses natural progression, at the end of the day, why does a virus want to kill its host? It doesn't. | |||
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"Anyone able to post the proportional numbers so a comparison can be made? I know I could but some of you actually enjoy the number crunching "I did some number crunching and posted the results on here, only to get called obsessive. I might have to open Excel again  | |||
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"Anyone able to post the proportional numbers so a comparison can be made? I know I could but some of you actually enjoy the number crunching
I did some number crunching and posted the results on here, only to get called obsessive.
I might have to open Excel again "Well I would be interested (closet geek obv) | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects. "There have not been “over 1700 that have died from the vaccine”. That’s just a nonsense figure. Until August 2021 there were 9 UK deaths involving the vaccine, of which 5 had the vaccine stated as the underlying cause. If there had been 1693+ deaths since august it would be everywhere. | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects. "Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000. There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions. Quote from British Medical Council 'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals' Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone Stop spreading misinformation and lying | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
There have not been “over 1700 that have died from the vaccine”. That’s just a nonsense figure.
Until August 2021 there were 9 UK deaths involving the vaccine, of which 5 had the vaccine stated as the underlying cause.
If there had been 1693+ deaths since august it would be everywhere.
"Some people just like to quote figures found on facebook without looking and seeing that these figures are posted by entities whith their own agendas may of which are either known conspiracy or antivax groups looking to pull in more people with their lies and BS | |||
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"Figures in Scotland show there are more double jabbed and triple jabbed than unvaccinated in hospital. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19843315.covid-scotland-case-rates-lowest-unvaccinated-double-jabbed-elderly-drive-rise-hospital-admissions/ That's because there's more jabbed people" If that’s the case the proof is in the pudding. Get boosted folks if you want a shit restricted world, please take as many shots as you like.  | |||
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"23% of the UK are completely unvaccinated" And 22% of the UK population are under 18. You need to look at stats as a whole, and even then the results will be skewed by the reporting mechanisms. | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
Quote from British Medical Council
'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying"Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
Quote from British Medical Council
'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying
Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus "That was Super healthy people | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
Quote from British Medical Council
'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying
Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus "you raise a good point. when this gets out gym memberships will be cancelled, pubs overflowing 24/7, a run on sugary foods and a pie shortage. All in the hope of aquiring a underlying health condition for 100% protection. Never mind big pharma making money, big greggs is going to become the magic money tree for the stockmarket. Would say more but im off for my cornish pasty booster | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
Quote from British Medical Council
'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying
Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus
That was Super healthy people"17000 people who had only covid on their death certificates. The other 133000 had a minimum of 3 cormorbidities that contributed more to their deaths. (Let's not forget all the reports from people whos relatives died of cancer and had covid put down as cause) A huge % of these cormorbidities where due to peoples lifestyle choices. I don't see anyone shouting about them not getting treatments etc. Our NHS is funked because of people being lazy in mind, unhealthy physically and relying on popping pills chasing side effects from drugs that never actually cure the problem. There is a pandemic in this country and its not the virus. | |||
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"It's interesting when the data shows the opposite of the narrative... Let's just ignore it... Bloody unvaccinated aren't getting ill quick enough. " Thats what applied behavioural science and cognitive dissonance does  | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
Quote from British Medical Council
'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying
Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus
That was Super healthy people
17000 people who had only covid on their death certificates. The other 133000 had a minimum of 3 cormorbidities that contributed more to their deaths. (Let's not forget all the reports from people whos relatives died of cancer and had covid put down as cause)
A huge % of these cormorbidities where due to peoples lifestyle choices. I don't see anyone shouting about them not getting treatments etc. Our NHS is funked because of people being lazy in mind, unhealthy physically and relying on popping pills chasing side effects from drugs that never actually cure the problem. There is a pandemic in this country and its not the virus. "A side note here.... Try and order a salad on Mcdonalds website.... Compare it with ordering the triple mcgutbuster | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
Quote from British Medical Council
'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying
Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus
That was Super healthy people
17000 people who had only covid on their death certificates. The other 133000 had a minimum of 3 cormorbidities that contributed more to their deaths. (Let's not forget all the reports from people whos relatives died of cancer and had covid put down as cause)
A huge % of these cormorbidities where due to peoples lifestyle choices. I don't see anyone shouting about them not getting treatments etc. Our NHS is funked because of people being lazy in mind, unhealthy physically and relying on popping pills chasing side effects from drugs that never actually cure the problem. There is a pandemic in this country and its not the virus. "Well im not sure if this is a first on the Covid forums or not, but thanks for confirming that your initial post stating 17,000 had died from Covid did indeed omit the other 133,000 Covid deaths. A tad misleading of you dont you think? but as you have clarified the true figure its only fair to give you the benefit of the doubt and that you were mistaken and not lying. As for co-morbidities, the biggest factor being age. Dont think we should be calling getting old a 'lifestyle choice'. As we get older we get weaker and more diseases are likley to take hold. That is just simply an inescapable fact of life. Im sure some people have sadly died due to complications from their 'lifestyle' but not in the massive % you suggest. People can live healthy lives and still develop asthma, cancer, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy *add appropriate illness* its a long list, some may have been born with a co-morbidity. So you cannot make the assumption that someone with a co-morbidity or multiple ones has made a life style choice.  | |||
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"Figures in Scotland show there are more double jabbed and triple jabbed than unvaccinated in hospital. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19843315.covid-scotland-case-rates-lowest-unvaccinated-double-jabbed-elderly-drive-rise-hospital-admissions/" And your conclusion is ? | |||
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"Is there any data on the impact of Covid on people who have other illnesses/conditions already? Eg we know diabetes increases your risk of serious illness from Covid but if that person had not caught Covid would they have lived? It is surely possible that someone who didn’t “die OF Covid” but instead “died WITH Covid” might not have died at all but for Covid exacerbating the other “condition(s)”?" I would imagine the vast majority of people died because of a covid infection, as you say covid would complicate the already existing condition. I have seen a lot of this type of discussion based around died with and died of, in my opinion this approach falls into the semantics bucket. | |||
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"It's interesting when the data shows the opposite of the narrative... Let's just ignore it... Bloody unvaccinated aren't getting ill quick enough. " Sorry about that | |||
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"Is there any data on the impact of Covid on people who have other illnesses/conditions already? Eg we know diabetes increases your risk of serious illness from Covid but if that person had not caught Covid would they have lived? It is surely possible that someone who didn’t “die OF Covid” but instead “died WITH Covid” might not have died at all but for Covid exacerbating the other “condition(s)”?" During the 1st wave of the virus, the average loss of life was over 7 years, when some were trying to claim that it was having a negligible effect, with the average age of death being fairly high. Source: ONS | |||
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"Anyone able to post the proportional numbers so a comparison can be made? I know I could but some of you actually enjoy the number crunching
I used to be can't be bothered any more. It's been 3 years now and nearly 2 years of solid world wide data.
The virus seems to have taken a turn for the better in terms of its danger and it is likely that a more targeted vacinnation programme will be used in years to come.
If people are still playing daft with the numbers it's their own time they are wasting.
Most people have little knowledge of infection and how it works but are more than happy to throw random numbers they find that suit a particular passion of theirs. "Totally agree with you there,its amazing the mathematical gymnastics people will do to make themselves right when its clear they have no understanding of maths at all. | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
Quote from British Medical Council
'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying
Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus
That was Super healthy people
17000 people who had only covid on their death certificates. The other 133000 had a minimum of 3 cormorbidities that contributed more to their deaths. (Let's not forget all the reports from people whos relatives died of cancer and had covid put down as cause)
A huge % of these cormorbidities where due to peoples lifestyle choices. I don't see anyone shouting about them not getting treatments etc. Our NHS is funked because of people being lazy in mind, unhealthy physically and relying on popping pills chasing side effects from drugs that never actually cure the problem. There is a pandemic in this country and its not the virus. "fair point; and don’t forget the so called 150,000 deaths are those who died within 28 days of a positive PCR test - and the cat is out of the bag with respect to PCR’s incapacity to diagnose infection and all the false positive results it generates. | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
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'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying
Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus
That was Super healthy people
17000 people who had only covid on their death certificates. The other 133000 had a minimum of 3 cormorbidities that contributed more to their deaths. (Let's not forget all the reports from people whos relatives died of cancer and had covid put down as cause)
A huge % of these cormorbidities where due to peoples lifestyle choices. I don't see anyone shouting about them not getting treatments etc. Our NHS is funked because of people being lazy in mind, unhealthy physically and relying on popping pills chasing side effects from drugs that never actually cure the problem. There is a pandemic in this country and its not the virus. fair point; and don’t forget the so called 150,000 deaths are those who died within 28 days of a positive PCR test - and the cat is out of the bag with respect to PCR’s incapacity to diagnose infection and all the false positive results it generates. "Ah but it wasn't just any cat, it was Schrodinger's cat | |||
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"What it shows is that infection rates are no different between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. What is different is the damage the vax has caused to many that have had it. You've strangely ignored 1. the benefits of the vaccinations, 2. the damage that the virus has done, whilst overplaying any negligible issues with the vaccines
I've not ignored it I just wasn't talking about that subject.
But tbh I don't actually see what benefits it has given.
The new ons statistics show 17000 people died from covid itself (not saying that is not sad) but when you take it into context with over 1700 people that have died from the vaccine or the over 1 million adverse reactions some lifelong and life changing we have to seriously look at the effectiveness of these measures. And this is before we know of any long term effects.
Youve posted that 17,000 figure before, if you are going go use it then give the full context from that ONS stat. The 17,000 figure is for those wgo died with NO underlying health condition. The total as well you know is over 150,000.
There are over 18.5m people in the UK with underlying conditions.
Quote from British Medical Council
'The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged =70?years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals'
Another way of using your 'stat' could be to say 17,000 super healthy people have died because of Covid ... it effects everyone
Stop spreading misinformation and lying
Yep that’s what they are saying. 17,000 fit healthy people died of the virus and zero unhealthy people died of the virus
That was Super healthy people
17000 people who had only covid on their death certificates. The other 133000 had a minimum of 3 cormorbidities that contributed more to their deaths. (Let's not forget all the reports from people whos relatives died of cancer and had covid put down as cause)
A huge % of these cormorbidities where due to peoples lifestyle choices. I don't see anyone shouting about them not getting treatments etc. Our NHS is funked because of people being lazy in mind, unhealthy physically and relying on popping pills chasing side effects from drugs that never actually cure the problem. There is a pandemic in this country and its not the virus. fair point; and don’t forget the so called 150,000 deaths are those who died within 28 days of a positive PCR test - and the cat is out of the bag with respect to PCR’s incapacity to diagnose infection and all the false positive results it generates. "Absolutely, cant forget the main player in this farce. | |||
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"Two things I've noticed over the past 6 months or so 1 the difference between a total number and a rate per 100k is a bridge too far for many people. 2 a large number of people think a death certificate is a trivial document probably filled out in crayon by someone in admin" 
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"Two things I've noticed over the past 6 months or so 1 the difference between a total number and a rate per 100k is a bridge too far for many people. 2 a large number of people think a death certificate is a trivial document probably filled out in crayon by someone in admin" Yes the rate per 100k is a good one and knowing when to use it... When there are less unvaxxed than vaxxed then you need to be looking at the rate per 100k, when there are more unvaxxed than vaxxed then you need to look at absolute numbers, when the unvaxxed rate is lower than the vaxxed rate you need to ignore it completely as it must be wrong. | |||
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"This year more right handed people will die than left handed. Go Figure." Good! All weirdos those leftys | |||
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"This year more right handed people will die than left handed. Go Figure.Good! All weirdos those leftys "How very very leftist of you, you may call us wierdo's but we lefties will inherit the earth. its all part of the great left reboot and agenda left. And no you wont find it reported on mainstream media ... evrrybody knows its 'left leaning' ... we are everywhere | |||
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"Figures in Scotland show there are more double jabbed and triple jabbed than unvaccinated in hospital. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19843315.covid-scotland-case-rates-lowest-unvaccinated-double-jabbed-elderly-drive-rise-hospital-admissions/" Now let’s see the age ranges of the people in the hospitals as the article says elderly people who more than likely have other stuff going on  | |||
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"23% of the UK are completely unvaccinated, then add the numbers that have not had their second or booster. I think you will find that what they call unvaccinated are a much bigger % than they want you to know." 23 per cent completely unvaccinated? Eh, no. | |||
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