FabSwingers.com forum: Novak…

By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

So.. erm… do we start another thread?

Have to say… cracking timing by the Aussie government… means most federal courts are shut and if he gets an injunction to appeal, most likely would not take place before the tournament starts…

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By *d4funtimesMan
over a year ago

Cambridge

Now, Novak is going to have time to attend Number 10 garden parties.

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By *regoniansCouple
over a year ago

Oundle

He may well get to number 10 one day as he apparently has designs on a political career after his playing days are over and a run at the Serbian presidency.

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By *hristopherd999Man
over a year ago

Brentwood

I don't know why he was given a visa in the first place!

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"So.. erm… do we start another thread?

Have to say… cracking timing by the Aussie government… means most federal courts are shut and if he gets an injunction to appeal, most likely would not take place before the tournament starts…"

It has been all about the timing on both sides. Novak was lucky he had a positive test Dec 16th or he wouldn't have been able to enter the tournament....

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By *attoedMan
over a year ago

Aldershot

Probably down to the fact after testing positive he attended an event that involved children very stupid on his part plus no sports council

Have power over country’s visa and travel laws

See they have actually cancelled his visa now so he’s back to square one

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So.. erm… do we start another thread?

Have to say… cracking timing by the Aussie government… means most federal courts are shut and if he gets an injunction to appeal, most likely would not take place before the tournament starts…"

6pm on a Friday

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Back to Serbia to answer why he broke national covid laws..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has been known to ask why he doesn’t get the love Roger and Rafa get. I think this whole debacle has gone some way to answer that.

I feel he will end up with more grand slam singles titles than both of the afore mentioned players and will probably, arguably, claim to be the best male player of all time. But in terms of popularity the other two will always be miles ahead.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

whilst i think the Aus govmnt has been harsh to its own citizens during this pandemic, particularly preventing citizens from returning to Aus. I do kinda admire tbe Aus dontgiveafuckery attitude. And when a 'world' superstar with a 'rules dont apply to me' attitude meets the dontgiveafuckery minister its amusing.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"whilst i think the Aus govmnt has been harsh to its own citizens during this pandemic, particularly preventing citizens from returning to Aus. I do kinda admire tbe Aus dontgiveafuckery attitude. And when a 'world' superstar with a 'rules dont apply to me' attitude meets the dontgiveafuckery minister its amusing."

So much

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

So much

I do think this has been a clear message to the world, we don't care who you are or what you do, you do it our way in our country.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"He has been known to ask why he doesn’t get the love Roger and Rafa get. I think this whole debacle has gone some way to answer that.

True. And that’s even more true now than it was a few weeks ago.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

So much

I do think this has been a clear message to the world, we don't care who you are or what you do, you do it our way in our country.

That was always the clear impression that I had anyway. Novak clearly hasn’t watched enough Aussie airport programmes. Anyone who has knows that these guys are absolute sticklers.

Same as going into the US, not a time to start playing silly buggers with a form, if those guys decide you haven’t got things right you are screwed.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So much

I do think this has been a clear message to the world, we don't care who you are or what you do, you do it our way in our country.

Let's hope people learn that you respect the laws of the country you go to. Spain too in this case...

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

So much

I do think this has been a clear message to the world, we don't care who you are or what you do, you do it our way in our country.

Let's hope people learn that you respect the laws of the country you go to. Spain too in this case..."

Let’s hope people learn to respect the laws of countries we visit? Pretty sure most of already do that. I know that I do, and if I don’t like the laws / rules in a particular country then I don’t go there. In a previous job, there was one country that I refused to visit when asked to.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So much

I do think this has been a clear message to the world, we don't care who you are or what you do, you do it our way in our country.

Let's hope people learn that you respect the laws of the country you go to. Spain too in this case...

Yes. Most do. Djokovic clearly hasn't. And consequences attach to that.

(I'm sure the overwhelmingly vaccinated Australian population will be devastated at losing the tourism of people who won't get vaccinated)

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

So I take it cocky Mr Novak no vax has met his match in the Australian government and the "heroic freedom fighter" for the I dont wanna do it crowd has been told to bugger off home then? Good on Australia for enforcing the rules and laws of the country

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

#UPDATE The Australian judge who blocked Novak Djokovic's deportation has scheduled an emergency hearing for late on Friday

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"#UPDATE The Australian judge who blocked Novak Djokovic's deportation has scheduled an emergency hearing for late on Friday"

Looks like it's in progress:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-14/novak-djokovic-updates-blog-visa-decision-alex-hawke/100755958

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"#UPDATE The Australian judge who blocked Novak Djokovic's deportation has scheduled an emergency hearing for late on Friday"

Watching it on YouTube now …. It’s looks like he is going to refer it up so he isn’t going to make a decision! So may not be decided till tomorrow..

Also… interesting titbit… he is not in custody and they are saying he has to meet immigration at 8am tomorrow

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Looks like coming back tomorrow before any rulings… Novak still meeting with immigration at 8am

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Looks like coming back tomorrow before any rulings… Novak still meeting with immigration at 8am"

Likely to be detained from midday (1am GMT)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

In this truly hypothetical situation I wonder what he would do?

Resolution options:

1) He has a blood test to confirm antibodies are present after the Dec 16th positive PCR test.

Apologise to the Australian people and Government for not handling his affairs with the the respect Australia deserves.

Donate any Australian Open winnings to an Australian charity / good cause.

**Failure of option 1 carries risk, fail the test and face criminal charges**

2) Leave with an apology

3) Leave

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"So.. erm… do we start another thread?

Have to say… cracking timing by the Aussie government… means most federal courts are shut and if he gets an injunction to appeal, most likely would not take place before the tournament starts…"

Just sat discussing the very same. Do you think the timing was deliberate by the immigration minister? I mean based on what's now out in the press he cant really complain can he?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"He may well get to number 10 one day as he apparently has designs on a political career after his playing days are over and a run at the Serbian presidency. "

Well his flexible relationship with the truth and memory makes him ideally suited

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By *ilver Fox 60Man
over a year ago

Southport

The last I heard is that his lawyers are seeking a judicial review. And the judge presiding over this review? The same one that cleared him in the first place. There must be a lot of dirty money flying around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The last I heard is that his lawyers are seeking a judicial review. And the judge presiding over this review? The same one that cleared him in the first place. There must be a lot of dirty money flying around."

Oohhh... conspiracy theories on the virus forum? Tim foil hats at the ready

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science"

It's not science though is it because he is either vaccinated or not it's that simple, if he has never had a vaccination administered he isn't vaccinated end of and yes he may have antibodies from previous infection but he still hasnt been vaccinated, he simply has some level of natural immunity , where as the whole transgender situation within sports is a far more complex situation I suspect many many arguments for and against on each side.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Unless you were vaccinated a while ago and haven't had boosters, then you would still be a previously vaccinated unvaccinated I believe.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Unless you were vaccinated a while ago and haven't had boosters, then you would still be a previously vaccinated unvaccinated I believe."

The .Gov site states that for travel to the uk vaccinated counts as having both doses of a two does vaccine ie Pfizer ect or a single dose of the single dose vaccine from johnson and johnson, noting about booster jab being needed to count as vaccinated at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He's now an oppressed minority right? Minority oppressors are very much unliked in modern society. In my opinion opressed minorities should by right receive the same freedoms and liberties as everyone. Transgender folk know all too well how their rights and freedoms are trampled on by oppressors. If he identifies as jabbed then so be it. Everyone gets to play bat 'n' ball for a million quid...

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Oohhh... conspiracy theories on the virus forum? Tim foil hats at the ready

Not quite… Novak lawyer wanted it handled by the same judge because they are saying it’s on the same grounds, This judge said no to that because he is saying the last appeal was on how border force carried out the implementation of the deportation, not the actual notice to deport!

This judge wins….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oohhh... conspiracy theories on the virus forum? Tim foil hats at the ready

This judge wins….

And the 'must be a lot of dirty money's ? That sounds very conspiratorial

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So much

I do think this has been a clear message to the world, we don't care who you are or what you do, you do it our way in our country.

That was always the clear impression that I had anyway. Novak clearly hasn’t watched enough Aussie airport programmes. Anyone who has knows that these guys are absolute sticklers.

Same as going into the US, not a time to start playing silly buggers with a form, if those guys decide you haven’t got things right you are screwed. "

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He is not an oppressed minority sorry but he is just a rich arrogant tennis player that thought he could sneak past the Australian laws and bend the rules. To equate that to the real issues and oppression that the trans community have faced over the years is in my eyes somewhat shameful really.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science"

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion "

apparently because he is also an "oppressed minority" now just the same as them he is allowed to identify as whatever he likes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He is in a minority yes?

His freedom to play tennis in Australia is being blocked yes?

His right to earn a living is being curtailed yes?

I'd say that's pretty oppressive. Your idea of oppression differs from mine obviously. I tend to look at the individual freedoms of people should not be curtailed by anyone.... regardless of ethnicity, religious beliefs, skin colour, sexuality, gender and medical status. Shame on you for believing otherwise

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion "

Point out the mockery please

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He is in a minority yes?

His freedom to play tennis in Australia is being blocked yes?

His right to earn a living is being curtailed yes?

This is an individual case, where the individual has clearly and repeatedly flouted rules. Being hauled up for breaking rules is not oppression, and to suggest that it is is an insult to victims of real oppression.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He is in a minority yes?

His freedom to play tennis in Australia is being blocked yes?

His right to earn a living is being curtailed yes?

He isn't oppressed he failed to adhere to the laws of that country, does that mean that if you choose not to adhear to uk law you are oppressed? No it means you have broken the law and you are then subject to the consequences of breaking said law same applies in all countries. No shame on me at all for seeing these particular situation as it is, he was aware of the requirements for entry from the start and failed to adhear to them.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

Point out the mockery please"

I belive the mockery is that you are equating some farcical right to identify as vaccinated to the right of trans people to identify as their chosen gender rather than the gender assigned to them at birth

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

This..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He is in a minority yes?

His freedom to play tennis in Australia is being blocked yes?

His right to earn a living is being curtailed yes?

Laws that discriminate against people because of their medical status are oppressive. You may agree to them. That's your right and you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I disagree with your opinion. Again...my right. Oppression comes in all sorts of ways as I'm sure you are aware. From sl@very, mockery, violence etc....in my opinion, barring someone from earning a living because of medical status is another form

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If vaxed can carry, catch and spread I don't see an issue. Surely in exactly the same boat as everyone else anyway.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

Point out the mockery please

Correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

Point out the mockery please

If that's how you read it then you're welcome to your interpretation. I wouldn't wish to oppress you. I read it as the rights of an individual should be upheld regardless of sexuality, gender, ethnicity etc...and medical status. But you are allowed to say and think what you want

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"If vaxed can carry, catch and spread I don't see an issue. Surely in exactly the same boat as everyone else anyway.

Thier country their laws and rules, also vaccination decreases the risks of catching, transmitting, becoming seriously ill, needing hospitalization and death. So not quite the same boat but yes you can still possibly catch and transmit the virus but there is a reduced chance compared to being unvaccinated

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He is in a minority yes?

His freedom to play tennis in Australia is being blocked yes?

His right to earn a living is being curtailed yes?

What you are describing is not oppression. It just isn’t.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

The one thing nobody seems to be talking about (to be fair they might have as not read every post in the Novak threads) is that at least this means some other tennis player has a good chance of winning for a change!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He is in a minority yes?

His freedom to play tennis in Australia is being blocked yes?

His right to earn a living is being curtailed yes?

What you are describing is not oppression. It just isn’t. "

In your opinion...and thankfully we live in (mostly in my opinion) a democracy. You can copy and paste whichever dictionary definition of oppression you wish.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

Point out the mockery please

oh dont worry I dont feel at all oppressed and it's apparently not just how I read it either, I think there are many here that would read it the same way as myself and whilst I agree with your statement of "the rights of an individual should be upheld regardless of sexuality, gender, ethnicity etc" the "and medical status" part is the problem whilst we are in the middle of a worldwide pandemic where countries are trying to control the virus and protect their citizens from further infection, the vaccine has been proven to reduce risk of infection by and transmission of the virus there for if a country wishes to refuse entry to the unvaccinated that is thier choice not the choice of one rich arrogant tennis player that thinks he has a right to lie and cheat his way into the country.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"The one thing nobody seems to be talking about (to be fair they might have as not read every post in the Novak threads) is that at least this means some other tennis player has a good chance of winning for a change! "

Lol I think it was mentioned in an earlier thread on this topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wonder how many are going to have to leave the court due to health issues. I know of one already and wonder how the mainstream will try to hide if they do.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

He is in a minority yes?

His freedom to play tennis in Australia is being blocked yes?

His right to earn a living is being curtailed yes?

What you are describing is not oppression. It just isn’t.

In your opinion...and thankfully we live in (mostly in my opinion) a democracy. You can copy and paste whichever dictionary definition of oppression you wish. "

Democracy does not mean inventing your own meaning for words.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Is possible. Not the angle that interests me, to be honest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice. "

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed"

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated."

Or they prefer to take their time and not jump into things

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated.

Or they prefer to take their time and not jump into things"

Or it's not relevant to Australia upholding its law, as it has a right to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As the court found, he had done nothing wrong.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated.

Or they prefer to take their time and not jump into things

Or it's not relevant to Australia upholding its law, as it has a right to do."

Or that’s not relevant to the comment on the 43% of Serbians who are looking into whether to have the vaccine or not and making their own decision not one of peer,media and governmental pressure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the court found, he had done nothing wrong."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the court found, he had done nothing wrong.

At the end of the day,not having it not wanting a vaccination isn’t wrong.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated.

Or they prefer to take their time and not jump into things"

How much time do they need I wonder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated.

Or they prefer to take their time and not jump into things

How much time do they need I wonder"

I don’t know.Do they need to be rushed??

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Im sure I overheard someone mention some authority had scanned the QR. Code and that date was the 26th Dec which if true means he had a +ve test on 26th not 16th which means he might be ok As far being out and about before but would have disbarred him entry to Australia as having a pos test within a proscribed time limit. Either way he does come a ross as an arrogant dick and im guessing that makes the Aussies much more likely to tell him to eff off home.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

Point out the mockery please

His so called 'medical status' is not a disability but relates to his choice not to have received a vaccination, that he was fully free to have. Further, he imposed risks on others, in more than 1 country whilst infected. Those choices and his behaviour are in no way equivalent to a protected characteristic, as defined by the law, including for transgender people. Your multiple posts are, at best, irritating, argumentative posts, akin to trolling. His position is completely different to those like myself, who have faced discrimination and been subject to violence and murder.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"As the court found, he had done nothing wrong."

Except get the 2 vaccines that are required to enter the country

His was not a medical exemption as he did not have a condition that prevented him getting vaccinated only his choice not to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I worry about the state of mental health these days! Just imagine we all sit in a boat and there are only enough life jackets for half of us. Half of us are under 18 and the other half are over 65. Where are those in between? At work! Who would you give the life jackets to? The under 18s of course! The over 65s have already lived their lives and possibly already have life limiting illnesses. I will stop there and lets see where this story goes. Your thoughts so far please.

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By *regoniansCouple
over a year ago

Oundle

He is in a minority yes?

His freedom to play tennis in Australia is being blocked yes?

His right to earn a living is being curtailed yes?

Following that through then, a lorry driver (minority), gets d*unk (bigger minority) and banned from driving. Of course hhis freedom to earn a living has been curtailed - the law has been broken and for that there are penalites.

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By *regoniansCouple
over a year ago

Oundle

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed"

Ah the Serbs. They have a great track record and reputation when it comes to minorities, do they not?

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

1 if you're sitting in a boat why do you need a lifejacket

2 if you were in a sinking boat and if you give each person over 65 a lifejacket they will each try to save a child

3 I don't really get what you're saying

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated.

Or they prefer to take their time and not jump into things

How much time do they need I wonder

I don’t know.Do they need to be rushed??"

I wouldn't call a year to decide rushing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He could also end up like the New York Times editor who boasted about having the prick in order not to become one! Carlos was his name and he was dead within 24 hours! Heart attack. Study Africa and see how countries with low take up also have lower mortality. George Carlyn, first rule, don't believe anything the government tells you! Remember Iraq! George W Bush took the piss about not finding any weapons! Would you believe anything Tony Blairs says? Vietnam! Started witha lie and 58K US soldiers lost their lives and god knows how many Vietnamese.

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"As the court found, he had done nothing wrong.

Actually the judge the implementation of the deportation order by border force to be done incorrectly……. The actual deportation order itself was not what argued about!!

If you need 2 jabs to get into a country… tough… their country, their rules…

Don’t like those rules…. Don’t visit

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated.

Or they prefer to take their time and not jump into things

Or it's not relevant to Australia upholding its law, as it has a right to do.

Or that’s not relevant to the comment on the 43% of Serbians who are looking into whether to have the vaccine or not and making their own decision not one of peer,media and governmental pressure"

The only Serbian in question on the topic of this thread is the one who seems to have broken Australian and Spanish immigration law.

If Serbians want to follow the bold noble freedom fighters like lemmings off a cliff, or whatever they believe they're doing, they can have at it. As long as they respect the laws of the countries they go to.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"He could also end up like the New York Times editor who boasted about having the prick in order not to become one! Carlos was his name and he was dead within 24 hours! Heart attack. Study Africa and see how countries with low take up also have lower mortality. George Carlyn, first rule, don't believe anything the government tells you! Remember Iraq! George W Bush took the piss about not finding any weapons! Would you believe anything Tony Blairs says? Vietnam! Started witha lie and 58K US soldiers lost their lives and god knows how many Vietnamese."

Why don't you check your facts before writing such utter nonsense!! You are absolutely wrong that Carlos Tejada died after boasting about having a covid jab. He died of a heart attack aged 49. He wrote about China covering up Covid, he exposed Chins's mistreatment of Muslims. He deserves far more respect than you have shown with your awful comment above!

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

He still tried to blag his way in by claiming exemption which was total bullshit

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"As the court found, he had done nothing wrong.

Actually the judge the implementation of the deportation order by border force to be done incorrectly……. The actual deportation order itself was not what argued about!!

If you need 2 jabs to get into a country… tough… their country, their rules…

Don’t like those rules…. Don’t visit

Exactly

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

I can't get over the ease of the Novak/Novax djokavic pun.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

Point out the mockery please

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

He still tried to blag his way in by claiming exemption which was total bullshit

... and then blame his “agent” for blatant lies on his immigration form.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

Boats should have enough life jackets for everyone, that’s a legal requirement. And other devices on board may suffice as alternative flotation devices. Worst case, some of the strongest swimmers might opt to forego a life jacket, and use clothes to make flotation devices (something I learned as a kid when doing swimming survival training).

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"I don't know why he was given a visa in the first place!"

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"I don't know why he was given a visa in the first place!

Yes it has been a complete shambles from start to finish. The Aussies look like a bunch of muppets, and Novak looks like a total arse.

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By *ayjay218Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"I worry about the state of mental health these days! Just imagine we all sit in a boat and there are only enough life jackets for half of us. Half of us are under 18 and the other half are over 65. Where are those in between? At work! Who would you give the life jackets to? The under 18s of course! The over 65s have already lived their lives and possibly already have life limiting illnesses. I will stop there and lets see where this story goes. Your thoughts so far please."
interesting as in times gone by it was women and children first when on a doomed ship! children yes but in this age of equal rights (which I agree with totally) does that mean that chivalry has no place anymore as it might appear to still show that it is still not equality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And if Novak decided to get vaccinated, he would go a long way to improving Serbia's pitiful vaccination record. Just 43% I believe.

He could go from zero to hero very quickly, but thats his choice.

Seems like the Serbs read into things and don’t blindly fall over themselves to get jabbed

Or they blindly follow whichever social media narrative that backs up their choice not to get vaccinated.

Or they prefer to take their time and not jump into things

How much time do they need I wonder

I don’t know.Do they need to be rushed??

I wouldn't call a year to decide rushing."

Or just perhaps they don’t want the jab.

Not everyone wants it has that ever dawned on you?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

Point out the mockery please

Thanks! If this tennis player wants to try that argument, he's welcome to try. He's an overprivileged architect of his own decline, that appears not to act in anything but his own interest, at any cost to others.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"He really should just identify as being vaccinated. Works for biological men wishing to enter biological female sports at the Olympic games. Nothing wrong with that btw

It's science

Not sure how I mocking transgender people helps the discussion

Point out the mockery please

The users comparison annoyed me somewhat anyway as my son is trans (female to male) and he has suffered his own mother pretty much disowning him because of his choices

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By *alisburycplCouple
over a year ago

Salisbury

At last

Power and money doesn’t always win….

Good luck to the Aussies!

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Don't discuss other users on the forum , it is posts we need to comment on and not talk about people who are posting them. Also don't talk about bans or whether you think people have had them

Thanks

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

The one part of this unfolding story I am really not understanding at the moment is the appeal process, why not simply deport Novak and if he wishes to appeal he can do so from his home country?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The one part of this unfolding story I am really not understanding at the moment is the appeal process, why not simply deport Novak and if he wishes to appeal he can do so from his home country?

My thought is that if the order is unlawful, then the deportation would have a disproportionate effect on him, depriving him of the entire reason he's in Australia.

This process is certainly the most fair way to do it - he'll still have an opportunity to play, whereas he wouldn't if he had to leave.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

Just to clarify, if he had covid 16th Dec and had actually isolated instead of doing visits/ PR stuff/ going to Spain ect then he would have been allowed in to compete without a problem?. Oh and filling out the forms correctly. So it seems to me that he had the opportunity to compete in Australia but his own actions prevent this happening. What I'm saying is, his choice on not being vaccinated is not what's stopping him competing instead it's his unwillingness to isolate for a little over a week

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Just to clarify, if he had covid 16th Dec and had actually isolated instead of doing visits/ PR stuff/ going to Spain ect then he would have been allowed in to compete without a problem?. Oh and filling out the forms correctly. So it seems to me that he had the opportunity to compete in Australia but his own actions prevent this happening. What I'm saying is, his choice on not being vaccinated is not what's stopping him competing instead it's his unwillingness to isolate for a little over a week"

Hahaha.

That’s the fastest way to wind people up on here.

Reasoned, fact based interpretation of the situation. It’ll never catch on

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

If one is being cynical one might think he knew there would be redress from the authorities and wanted to make a point more akin to his views on vaccination etc..

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By *lofeldMan
over a year ago

Redhill

If one is being cynical one might think he knew there would be redress from the authorities and wanted to make a point more akin to his views on vaccination etc..

It does seem rather odd that a man who travels all over the world on a Serbian passport all of a sudden can't fill out a form to get into Australia, I'd say that much...

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

No. Needed to be vaccinated in order to get into the country or have proof of a valid medical reason for not being able to be vaccinated.

It wanting to be vaccinated isn’t a good enough reason. And having had covid in December is irrelevant

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

If one is being cynical one might think he knew there would be redress from the authorities and wanted to make a point more akin to his views on vaccination etc..

I doubt it. His number one objective is winning the trophy, not some political grandstanding

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Not quite … he got an exemption to compete at the AO, not an exemption to enter the country, as the Australian health ministry told and warned tennis Australia by letting back in mid November.

If he wasn’t as high profile as he is with his views, if he had not of been so blasé would have have gotten in? Maybe….

But if a brickie can’t get into Australia without being double jabbed it does feel like the height of arrogance on his behalf to think he can kick up as much of a fuss and be allowed entry!!

I think it’s interesting that the Serbian government and police have said they won’t charge Djokovic on his return for breaking their covid laws on isolation… and then you wonder what stokes the entitlement!

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By *uff the Boner!Man
over a year ago

SWANSEA

Novak is a Self centered egotistical selfish treacherous cretin.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"If vaxed can carry, catch and spread I don't see an issue. Surely in exactly the same boat as everyone else anyway.

Australian rules clearly state to enter their country then you have to be vaccinated.

If he objects to this, the choice is simple, don't get on a plane and try to lie your way in.

He's lucky he isn't being barred for 3yrs or prosecuted for falsification of a travel document although that could be next. As for blaming his agent for screwing up, he should have checked or done it himself as he is responsible for what was put on the form.

We wouldn't like someone coming to our country breaking the rules and claim they are unfair. We'd be the first to tell them "if you don't like, then feck off" and that is exactly what the Austrians have done..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If vaxed can carry, catch and spread I don't see an issue. Surely in exactly the same boat as everyone else anyway.

Australian rules clearly state to enter their country then you have to be vaccinated.

If he objects to this, the choice is simple, don't get on a plane and try to lie your way in.

I'm not sure that we know that the minister hasn't or won't bar him for three years. (In fact my understanding is that, in theory, the bar could be permanent, it's a matter of ministerial prerogative. However, the courts in Australia have more power over the executive than they do in the UK - so this might well be non-justiciable in the UK)

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By *havennaturistsCouple
over a year ago

Banff

"Novak is a Self centered egotistical selfish treacherous cretin."

I wonder if Novak cheats on Jelena?!

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

That would really piss on his cherries..

Anyone else would be barred without argument. I heard it was could be barred for 3 years but no doubt permanent ban option is there. Anyone watched the Australian Border Force TV shows, I would like to annoy them.

What was that world record he wanted. What a shame.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"That would really piss on his cherries..

What was that world record he wanted. What a shame."

I've annoyed the Border Force

It was an accident and I wouldn't recommend it

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By *uteLittleGeekWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere

"Novak is a Self centered egotistical selfish treacherous cretin."

And how do you know this?

Have you ever met him and spoken to him?

He is actually a lovely and very humble man. Very proud of his heritage and faith. Never talks how much he does for charities, disadvantaged families and terminally ill children in Serbia.

He just wants to play tennis and compete.

He should be allowed to do so.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"Novak is a Self centered egotistical selfish treacherous cretin.

And how do you know this?

Have you ever met him and spoken to him?

He is actually a lovely and very humble man. Very proud of his heritage and faith. Never talks how much he does for charities, disadvantaged families and terminally ill children in Serbia.

He just wants to play tennis and compete.

He should be allowed to do so. "

If he wants to compete then he needs to follow rules and not lie. He has let himself down badly by lying

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

If one is being cynical one might think he knew there would be redress from the authorities and wanted to make a point more akin to his views on vaccination etc..

I doubt it. His number one objective is winning the trophy, not some political grandstanding "

More than likely but given that's his priority, it's puzzling why he and his back up staff got it so wrong..

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Novak is a Self centered egotistical selfish treacherous cretin.

And how do you know this?

Have you ever met him and spoken to him?

He is actually a lovely and very humble man. Very proud of his heritage and faith. Never talks how much he does for charities, disadvantaged families and terminally ill children in Serbia.

He just wants to play tennis and compete.

He should be allowed to do so.

If he wants to compete then he needs to follow rules and not lie. He has let himself down badly by lying "

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Novak is a Self centered egotistical selfish treacherous cretin.

And how do you know this?

Have you ever met him and spoken to him?

He is actually a lovely and very humble man. Very proud of his heritage and faith. Never talks how much he does for charities, disadvantaged families and terminally ill children in Serbia.

He just wants to play tennis and compete.

He should be allowed to do so.

If he wants to compete then he needs to follow rules and not lie. He has let himself down badly by lying "

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

If one is being cynical one might think he knew there would be redress from the authorities and wanted to make a point more akin to his views on vaccination etc..

I doubt it. His number one objective is winning the trophy, not some political grandstanding

More than likely but given that's his priority, it's puzzling why he and his back up staff got it so wrong..

Who knows. Carelessness, arrogance, incompetence, take your pick.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

Not quite … he got an exemption to compete at the AO, not an exemption to enter the country, as the Australian health ministry told and warned tennis Australia by letting back in mid November.

If he wasn’t as high profile as he is with his views, if he had not of been so blasé would have have gotten in? Maybe….

But if a brickie can’t get into Australia without being double jabbed it does feel like the height of arrogance on his behalf to think he can kick up as much of a fuss and be allowed entry!!

Thank you for the information. I thought having covid recently was his excuse to get into the country without being vaccinated and that was why it was in the spotlight. Still seems his actions or in actions are the problem. Maybe as another poster pointed out it could be to do with drawing attention to his point of view on the vaccinations. I doubt he would have wanted it to end this way though

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

And he has just lost his appeal.

Excellent news, deportation next.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He has been known to ask why he doesn’t get the love Roger and Rafa get. I think this whole debacle has gone some way to answer that.

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By *incsladyandscotsmanCouple
over a year ago

North fife

Either way round the aussue open is now not a major in my eyes.

The planet has fought for years about removing discrimination. Racially, sexually, lgbtly.... And now we have this current situation.

What is currently happening in Australia is horrendous. There is discrimination against unvaxed people, they cannot work, travel etc.

There is a currently a situation where Australia have a teenage tennis sensation, tennis Australia are begging her to get vaccinated as she cannot play. She is refusing.

It is a bizarre situation in Australia with full of contradictions and discrimination.

Novaks situation sums ups Australia at this point in time. I'm so glad I did not stay there and returned home.

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

Let me get this right.

Deportation FROM Australia !

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

novac no play on your way

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By *TMA that man againMan
over a year ago

worester

"Either way round the aussue open is now not a major in my eyes.

The planet has fought for years about removing discrimination. Racially, sexually, lgbtly.... And now we have this current situation.

What is currently happening in Australia is horrendous. There is discrimination against unvaxed people, they cannot work, travel etc.

There is a currently a situation where Australia have a teenage tennis sensation, tennis Australia are begging her to get vaccinated as she cannot play. She is refusing.

It is a bizarre situation in Australia with full of contradictions and discrimination.

Novaks situation sums ups Australia at this point in time. I'm so glad I did not stay there and returned home.

He had a choice and he made it. I can respect that. Choices have consequences...make your choice, accept the consequences. It's not rocket science.

Add to the mix...at the start of covid he was denying it existed. So to use catching a non existent virus as an excuse not to get vaccinated is farcical.

His behaviour AFTER his "positive test" (or was it?). Mixing and attending events the two days after show that he IS a danger generally to spreading it around.

Well done to the Australian government for giving the arrogant (insert your own expletive here) the treatment he clearly deserved.

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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago

blackpool/preston/normandy france

Couldn't agree more. He thinks he can dictate things to suit himself regardless of rules, claims his agent was responsible for the apparent mistakes on his visa form. At the end of the day he should have checked it personally. He lied on the form saying he had not travelled anywhere after his alleged positive test, yet gets photo opportunities done to prove he has travelled. He has paid the price for thinking he is above the rules that cover everybody else.

Good on Australia. A government that actually sticks to it's rules, unlike another government we could mention.

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Either way round the aussue open is now not a major in my eyes.

The planet has fought for years about removing discrimination. Racially, sexually, lgbtly.... And now we have this current situation.

What is currently happening in Australia is horrendous. There is discrimination against unvaxed people, they cannot work, travel etc.

There is a currently a situation where Australia have a teenage tennis sensation, tennis Australia are begging her to get vaccinated as she cannot play. She is refusing.

It is a bizarre situation in Australia with full of contradictions and discrimination.

Novaks situation sums ups Australia at this point in time. I'm so glad I did not stay there and returned home.

I’m sorry… I don’t agree… it’s a bit saying the Australian womens event should not be considered a major because the Williams sisters aren’t playing!! That a ludicrous thing to say!!!

No one person is bigger than a sport! Tiger is not bigger than golf, Jordan bigger than basketball, Lewis bigger than F1!

The health ministry told tennis Australia back in mid November that certain exemption they were giving out would not gain entry into the country!!

Novak is no bigger than anyone else wanting to enter the country… no vaccination, no entry!

He had a choice, this is the consequence

Don’t like the consequences… you know what you need to do!