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"We think all those people who have been prosecuted for breaking Covid rule should be apologise too. By Boris the noob. " Even better, get Johnson to pay all their fines. He'd really hate that. | |||
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"We think all those people who have been prosecuted for breaking Covid rule should be apologise too. By Boris the noob. Even better, get Johnson to pay all their fines. He'd really hate that." Probably get one of his donors to pay. | |||
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"We think all those people who have been prosecuted for breaking Covid rule should be apologise too. By Boris the noob. Even better, get Johnson to pay all their fines. He'd really hate that. Probably get one of his donors to pay." He probably would. Then that would come out further down the road, causing yet another Johnson special scandal. | |||
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"We think all those people who have been prosecuted for breaking Covid rule should be apologise too. By Boris the noob. Even better, get Johnson to pay all their fines. He'd really hate that. Probably get one of his donors to pay." Even the donors are getting pissed off. They don't want to be tainted by association. If the money goes elsewhere, so will the sycophants that go with it. | |||
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"Watching the news about Boris Johnston's parties while we were in lockdown, should he resign? I say yes, what do you think fellow fabbers" No.He should be sacked. He should not be allowed to resign. From the point he had the frigging knees up in May he should have to pay back what ever wages he earned also. Twice, this absolute tosser has had a knees up while people Died alone in hospital and their loved ones watched on freaking video call. One rule for them, one rule for every unworthy us that are below him obviously. So an absolute resounding no should he have the chance to resign. He should also be charged with what ever they need to charge him with and on top, give him the maximum fine for breaking the laws or rules that he set out. He should be made an example of and hung out to dry. X x x Kitten xxx | |||
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"Impeachment would be most suited for the past two years. I worry what message this goverments behaviour has sent to future leaders. " Impeachment? Are you the correct side of the Atlantic? | |||
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"Although he already acts like he has carte Blanche. I shudder to think what he will be like if he survives this recent expose! He probably won’t even bother trying to hide what he does He must rub his hands every time he gets away with it and just pushes it further " When he was confronted on the news about the party, he actually smirked while answering. That's how little he cares about rules or laws. And how little he cares about the sacrifces so many people made. So, yes, I'm sure he'll be even worse if he gets away with all this. | |||
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"And be replaced with another one that was in cahoots ?" The whole lot should go. They won’t, but they should! | |||
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"Watching the news about Boris Johnston's parties while we were in lockdown, should he resign? I say yes, what do you think fellow fabbers No.He should be sacked. He should not be allowed to resign. From the point he had the frigging knees up in May he should have to pay back what ever wages he earned also. Twice, this absolute tosser has had a knees up while people Died alone in hospital and their loved ones watched on freaking video call. One rule for them, one rule for every unworthy us that are below him obviously. So an absolute resounding no should he have the chance to resign. He should also be charged with what ever they need to charge him with and on top, give him the maximum fine for breaking the laws or rules that he set out. He should be made an example of and hung out to dry. X x x Kitten xxx " Actually this is a better answer than mine so THIS | |||
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"More Politics than Virus but he should have resigned long, long ago. It was clear long, long before this that he and the people left in his party after the purge are incompetent, shameless liars. Yet, he has been supported by many in the country and in the forums. If this is the measure of the party leadership then why are any of their big statements from Brexit to levelling up believable? Also, if a party lies brazenly again and again and the population supports them regardless, is their anything that any opposition can do? Is it really that they are weak or is it that those who have invested so heavily in BoJo that they cannot admit such a huge error of judgement? Who will admit that they were mistaken in voting the way that they did?" MIRACLE we agree on something | |||
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"I hope Corbin sets up his new party." Screaming Lord Sutch beat him to it, | |||
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"More Politics than Virus but he should have resigned long, long ago. It was clear long, long before this that he and the people left in his party after the purge are incompetent, shameless liars. Yet, he has been supported by many in the country and in the forums. If this is the measure of the party leadership then why are any of their big statements from Brexit to levelling up believable? Also, if a party lies brazenly again and again and the population supports them regardless, is their anything that any opposition can do? Is it really that they are weak or is it that those who have invested so heavily in BoJo that they cannot admit such a huge error of judgement? Who will admit that they were mistaken in voting the way that they did?" The opposition were flattened in the run up to 2016 Cummings knew whoever flew the flag for Brexit stood a chance of turning the labour strongholds blue in the next election, a great incentive for any wannabe PM. They needed an entertainer, a thick skin, a publicly recognisable stooge to deliver the lies and it worked all the way up until the day Cummings was dethroned by the puppet. Boris's world has crumbled slowly and steadily since the puppet master was sacked, this latest episode was engineered from his hands. Removing him is a must but not under the control of Rees-Mogg. | |||
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"More Politics than Virus but he should have resigned long, long ago. It was clear long, long before this that he and the people left in his party after the purge are incompetent, shameless liars. Yet, he has been supported by many in the country and in the forums. If this is the measure of the party leadership then why are any of their big statements from Brexit to levelling up believable? Also, if a party lies brazenly again and again and the population supports them regardless, is their anything that any opposition can do? Is it really that they are weak or is it that those who have invested so heavily in BoJo that they cannot admit such a huge error of judgement? Who will admit that they were mistaken in voting the way that they did? The opposition were flattened in the run up to 2016 Cummings knew whoever flew the flag for Brexit stood a chance of turning the labour strongholds blue in the next election, a great incentive for any wannabe PM. They needed an entertainer, a thick skin, a publicly recognisable stooge to deliver the lies and it worked all the way up until the day Cummings was dethroned by the puppet. Boris's world has crumbled slowly and steadily since the puppet master was sacked, this latest episode was engineered from his hands. Removing him is a must but not under the control of Rees-Mogg. " Chris Hope, Telegraph journalist said on newsnight yesterday that his sources are saying there's audio or visual evidence also.. Boris and his inability to tell the truth has been the perfect tool to be used against him by those leaking this and other gatherings, Dec 18th by Reynolds is now another claim in the mix.. | |||
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"If he’s going to go I would much rather it is for substantiates serious failings e.g outcomes from the full public enquiry into the handling of covid-19, than for this media driven emotive story. " Are you suggesting it has been made up by the media? | |||
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"If he’s going to go I would much rather it is for substantiates serious failings e.g outcomes from the full public enquiry into the handling of covid-19, than for this media driven emotive story. Are you suggesting it has been made up by the media?" No | |||
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"More Politics than Virus but he should have resigned long, long ago. It was clear long, long before this that he and the people left in his party after the purge are incompetent, shameless liars. Yet, he has been supported by many in the country and in the forums. If this is the measure of the party leadership then why are any of their big statements from Brexit to levelling up believable? Also, if a party lies brazenly again and again and the population supports them regardless, is their anything that any opposition can do? Is it really that they are weak or is it that those who have invested so heavily in BoJo that they cannot admit such a huge error of judgement? Who will admit that they were mistaken in voting the way that they did? The opposition were flattened in the run up to 2016 Cummings knew whoever flew the flag for Brexit stood a chance of turning the labour strongholds blue in the next election, a great incentive for any wannabe PM. They needed an entertainer, a thick skin, a publicly recognisable stooge to deliver the lies and it worked all the way up until the day Cummings was dethroned by the puppet. Boris's world has crumbled slowly and steadily since the puppet master was sacked, this latest episode was engineered from his hands. Removing him is a must but not under the control of Rees-Mogg. Chris Hope, Telegraph journalist said on newsnight yesterday that his sources are saying there's audio or visual evidence also.. Boris and his inability to tell the truth has been the perfect tool to be used against him by those leaking this and other gatherings, Dec 18th by Reynolds is now another claim in the mix.. " His rise to power was always going to be in jeopardy once his usefulness had been consumed by Brexit strategists, the party and the public. The public turned a blind eye more than once to achieve their desired outcomes and so did the party. The majority of people in this country are acting like hypocrites over this, they knew he was lying but it was lies they wanted to hear. I guess that is the writing on the wall for him. | |||
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"If he’s going to go I would much rather it is for substantiates serious failings e.g outcomes from the full public enquiry into the handling of covid-19, than for this media driven emotive story. Are you suggesting it has been made up by the media? No" OK then, glad we cleared that up. | |||
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"More Politics than Virus but he should have resigned long, long ago. It was clear long, long before this that he and the people left in his party after the purge are incompetent, shameless liars. Yet, he has been supported by many in the country and in the forums. If this is the measure of the party leadership then why are any of their big statements from Brexit to levelling up believable? Also, if a party lies brazenly again and again and the population supports them regardless, is their anything that any opposition can do? Is it really that they are weak or is it that those who have invested so heavily in BoJo that they cannot admit such a huge error of judgement? Who will admit that they were mistaken in voting the way that they did? The opposition were flattened in the run up to 2016 Cummings knew whoever flew the flag for Brexit stood a chance of turning the labour strongholds blue in the next election, a great incentive for any wannabe PM. They needed an entertainer, a thick skin, a publicly recognisable stooge to deliver the lies and it worked all the way up until the day Cummings was dethroned by the puppet. Boris's world has crumbled slowly and steadily since the puppet master was sacked, this latest episode was engineered from his hands. Removing him is a must but not under the control of Rees-Mogg. Chris Hope, Telegraph journalist said on newsnight yesterday that his sources are saying there's audio or visual evidence also.. Boris and his inability to tell the truth has been the perfect tool to be used against him by those leaking this and other gatherings, Dec 18th by Reynolds is now another claim in the mix.. His rise to power was always going to be in jeopardy once his usefulness had been consumed by Brexit strategists, the party and the public. The public turned a blind eye more than once to achieve their desired outcomes and so did the party. The majority of people in this country are acting like hypocrites over this, they knew he was lying but it was lies they wanted to hear. I guess that is the writing on the wall for him. " This is oh so true. | |||
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"I hope Corbin sets up his new party." That'll split the labour vote so no chance of either entering number 10. | |||
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"The trouble is, all the major parties have supported the mishandling of coronavirus and all have broken the coronavirus rules that they voted for" Are you saying all the other parties have broken lock down rules? If true provide the evidence and report to the police. | |||
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"The trouble is, all the major parties have supported the mishandling of coronavirus and all have broken the coronavirus rules that they voted for Are you saying all the other parties have broken lock down rules? If true provide the evidence and report to the police. " Yes, the SNP, Labour. The police know of these incidents | |||
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"I don't care. You have to expect politicians to be dishonest, it's almost part of the job description. If he did go, who replaces him? Dishy Rishi? Disco Gove? Tank Girl Truss?" No, you shouldn't. That is why we have the politicians that we do. If lies, in fact brazen lies, are electorally unpunished then we get exactly what we deserve. If there are no alternatives then that says a lot about the quality of the party that was elected. No, I do not think that the same can be said of the other parties. There is at the very least some modicum of earnestness on them. For whatever reason this has no value to the country that we live in today. | |||
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"If he’s going to go I would much rather it is for substantiates serious failings e.g outcomes from the full public enquiry into the handling of covid-19, than for this media driven emotive story. " This tells you more about the public than the media. | |||
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"The trouble is, all the major parties have supported the mishandling of coronavirus and all have broken the coronavirus rules that they voted for Are you saying all the other parties have broken lock down rules? If true provide the evidence and report to the police. Yes, the SNP, Labour. The police know of these incidents" Did they have parties too? | |||
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"It’s ok, calm down everyone, he wishes he handled things differently and he’s apologised. No story here. Move on." PMSL, | |||
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"I’m sorry but I don’t get why people are angry about Boris not sticking to rules he never has all his life it very well documented. His wives have found the same issues he won’t answer to how many children he has sired. He has only ever thought of himself first and only. It’s in his nature, don’t blame him for his obvious nature. " That’s a parody or ironic post right? Hard to tell! | |||
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"If any of the politicians with all the information and advice they have to hand about this 'deadly virus' decide to act as normal and without caution then it shows it's nothing to worry about. From the start they have shown no personal concern and yet constantly moved the goal posts for every one else to comply resulting in vast wealth for themselves and friends. It's like when on a plane and there seems to be a problem. If the stewards are calm then nothing to worry about. If they panic then you should. I'm sure if there was a real health worry they'd all be addressing us from the safety of their bunkers." Apart from the obvious increase in the last two years in the death rates, the highest two years post 1945 and the 1.3 estimated people living with long covid which will rise you've mostly ignored the gross stupidity of a man who caught covid and ended up in an ICU who then thought it ok to ignore the rules at the time .. | |||
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"I’m sorry but I don’t get why people are angry about Boris not sticking to rules he never has all his life it very well documented. His wives have found the same issues he won’t answer to how many children he has sired. He has only ever thought of himself first and only. It’s in his nature, don’t blame him for his obvious nature. That’s a parody or ironic post right? Hard to tell!" No I’m being serious we all knew he wasn’t a serious person or responsible but we voted for him and now we’re saying you’re not serious or responsible. We get the leaders we deserve. | |||
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"Apart from the obvious increase in the last two years in the death rates, the highest two years post 1945" But that's not taking into account the population growth. If you look at the UK deaths per 100,000 you'll see there's been many years where the death rate has been higher. https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrom1990to2020 | |||
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"Apart from the obvious increase in the last two years in the death rates, the highest two years post 1945 But that's not taking into account the population growth. If you look at the UK deaths per 100,000 you'll see there's been many years where the death rate has been higher. https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrom1990to2020 " If your talking about population growth then you have to include how many die per year.. It's around 640 or so thousand every year,the ONS has the figures for the deaths over and above the average five years which is how they look at such things.. | |||
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"I hope Corbin sets up his new party." So do I, it’ll split the lefty vote and keep them away from power for much longer. | |||
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"Watching the news about Boris Johnston's parties while we were in lockdown, should he resign? I say yes, what do you think fellow fabbers" Yes he has to go, you can't run a country when no one respects anything you say when you do the complete opposite of what you're imposing. | |||
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"The pathetic excuse Johnson just used in the Commons was that he attended the party by mistake. He supposedly didn't realise it was a party. And he thinks people are stupid enough to swallow that. Yet another example of the contempt he hold us all in..." Sad truth is some people will swallow it, hook line and sinker. | |||
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"Not only should he resign he should be banned from politics " Banished overseas. Mind you, that would probably suit him as like a lot of the cabinet he’s not really British! | |||
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"Another thing is that they say, your judged by the company you keep. In his case he should be judged by the people he chose to employ. Cummings....what an ass His private secretary ( the guy that sent out the invitations ) what a mug! Labour may have been in power now but for the idiot Corbyn choosing Diane Abbott to sit next to him. Untrustworthy , makes bad decisions , Arrogant. Rambles on incoherently. GO NOW. " Lol labours issue wasn't Corbyn choosing Abbott...it was Labour choosing Corbyn!!!! | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass " Cummings is a brilliant strategist. | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass Cummings is a brilliant strategist. " Do you think he'll ever be employed/trusted again , | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass Cummings is a brilliant strategist. " Sh1t eyesight and judgement though | |||
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"Another thing is that they say, your judged by the company you keep. In his case he should be judged by the people he chose to employ. Cummings....what an ass His private secretary ( the guy that sent out the invitations ) what a mug! Labour may have been in power now but for the idiot Corbyn choosing Diane Abbott to sit next to him. Untrustworthy , makes bad decisions , Arrogant. Rambles on incoherently. GO NOW. Lol labours issue wasn't Corbyn choosing Abbott...it was Labour choosing Corbyn!!!!" He was / is an ass . I used his choice of deputy to prove my point that a leader is responsible for his choice of personnel. | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass Cummings is a brilliant strategist. " he can’t be that good of a strategist! If he was that good he wouldn’t be a pariah in his own country | |||
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"We think all those people who have been prosecuted for breaking Covid rule should be apologise too. By Boris the noob. " all thos that have been proseccuted to be given ther money back and the charges droped and never held on file. part 2 he should be sacked not resign Its about time those in power learnt you cant get away with it. They should be held accountable for there actions and what they was voted in for. Instead of we got in we will do as we please not what we was voted into power for | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass Cummings is a brilliant strategist. he can’t be that good of a strategist! If he was that good he wouldn’t be a pariah in his own country " Being the unelected leader of the country is not a bad touch! He hadn't accounted for how low his puppet would stoop, was is only mistake. | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass Cummings is a brilliant strategist. he can’t be that good of a strategist! If he was that good he wouldn’t be a pariah in his own country Being the unelected leader of the country is not a bad touch! He hadn't accounted for how low his puppet would stoop, was is only mistake. " so his strategy had a flaw. Surely a genius strategist would have known not to trust Boris the Blade. | |||
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"Watching the news about Boris Johnston's parties while we were in lockdown, should he resign? I say yes, what do you think fellow fabbers" Totally, he is done, no honor ( but we knew that already ) | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass Cummings is a brilliant strategist. he can’t be that good of a strategist! If he was that good he wouldn’t be a pariah in his own country Being the unelected leader of the country is not a bad touch! He hadn't accounted for how low his puppet would stoop, was is only mistake. so his strategy had a flaw. Surely a genius strategist would have known not to trust Boris the Blade. " Betrayal has been met with Boris's downfall. Who do you think leaked the last party story? It is however fitting end for the pair of them | |||
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"I don't care. You have to expect politicians to be dishonest, it's almost part of the job description. If he did go, who replaces him? Dishy Rishi? Disco Gove? Tank Girl Truss? No, you shouldn't. That is why we have the politicians that we do. If lies, in fact brazen lies, are electorally unpunished then we get exactly what we deserve. If there are no alternatives then that says a lot about the quality of the party that was elected. No, I do not think that the same can be said of the other parties. There is at the very least some modicum of earnestness on them. For whatever reason this has no value to the country that we live in today." I remember 'New Labour' saying they wouldn't put up taxes. The first thing Gordon Brown did was to tax private-sector pensions. I remember the Lib Dem lie on student fees. I remember Labour saying they would respect the referendum vote... even as they planned to ignore it | |||
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"TBH we shoukd be more outraged at the shambles and damage Brexit is doing the eco.y, our ever decreasing rights and appalling immigration policy and destruction of our economy and last but not least the slow death of the NHS." Most people were more outraged by the contempt for democracy displayed by Remainers...and the shocking lies they told in the referendum. Ever wondered why Labour never wins elections? | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass Cummings is a brilliant strategist. he can’t be that good of a strategist! If he was that good he wouldn’t be a pariah in his own country Being the unelected leader of the country is not a bad touch! He hadn't accounted for how low his puppet would stoop, was is only mistake. so his strategy had a flaw. Surely a genius strategist would have known not to trust Boris the Blade. Betrayal has been met with Boris's downfall. Who do you think leaked the last party story? It is however fitting end for the pair of them" I have no doubt DC will do anything he can to get Boris out. Don’t know if we will ever find out if he is behind the latest leak but he would if he had the evidence of it for sure! He is a very bitter man, will poor eyesight, bet he wishes he had hindsight | |||
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"Don't see what the fuss is all about really. Lots had small parties and get togethers." And lots were fined, taken to court, had DJ equipment confiscated etc. | |||
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"TBH we shoukd be more outraged at the shambles and damage Brexit is doing the eco.y, our ever decreasing rights and appalling immigration policy and destruction of our economy and last but not least the slow death of the NHS. Most people were more outraged by the contempt for democracy displayed by Remainers...and the shocking lies they told in the referendum. Ever wondered why Labour never wins elections?" I hope labour never wins, can't be doing with stamer. | |||
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"TBH we shoukd be more outraged at the shambles and damage Brexit is doing the eco.y, our ever decreasing rights and appalling immigration policy and destruction of our economy and last but not least the slow death of the NHS. Most people were more outraged by the contempt for democracy displayed by Remainers...and the shocking lies they told in the referendum. Ever wondered why Labour never wins elections? I hope labour never wins, can't be doing with stamer. " your having a laugh? Labour a migrant's best friend leave the door open and let them flood in. Biggest rise ever all Tony's friends. | |||
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"TBH we shoukd be more outraged at the shambles and damage Brexit is doing the eco.y, our ever decreasing rights and appalling immigration policy and destruction of our economy and last but not least the slow death of the NHS. Most people were more outraged by the contempt for democracy displayed by Remainers...and the shocking lies they told in the referendum. Ever wondered why Labour never wins elections? I hope labour never wins, can't be doing with stamer. your having a laugh? Labour a migrant's best friend leave the door open and let them flood in. Biggest rise ever all Tony's friends." I said .....I hope Labour NEVER wins....I have never ever and never will vote labour | |||
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"No we don't need the anxiety a new face will cause yet in this pandemic, lots and lots of people need him atm and will follow him regardless of his behaviour, misplaced trust is very common and a known face is a comfort. If a police investigation is held and he is found to have broken the law then he absolutely should be penalised in the correct way by the police" We don't need comfort and a familiar face; we need good governance. Boris is a populist narcissist who knows how to win elections but has no idea how to govern. | |||
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"Watching the news about Boris Johnston's parties while we were in lockdown, should he resign? I say yes, what do you think fellow fabbers" Absolutely. Without a doubt. Along with any others who went along with it. Disgrace | |||
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"TBH we shoukd be more outraged at the shambles and damage Brexit is doing the eco.y, our ever decreasing rights and appalling immigration policy and destruction of our economy and last but not least the slow death of the NHS. Most people were more outraged by the contempt for democracy displayed by Remainers...and the shocking lies they told in the referendum. Ever wondered why Labour never wins elections? Like 350m for the NHS!!!" brilliant. The big slogan along the side of the bus!!! Even Boris the Blade was non committed either way on brexit until he seen which way it was heading and then rushed to the front and said follow me | |||
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"A labour party of years gone by would have walked into no 10 but cus they are such a weak party nowadays the Tories are continuing a free run of everything and will continue to do so until Labour get some credability back tbh Corben was labours worse enemy he lost them so many voters cus he was an idiot " And replaced him with a wet blanket like kier starmer! | |||
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"A labour party of years gone by would have walked into no 10 but cus they are such a weak party nowadays the Tories are continuing a free run of everything and will continue to do so until Labour get some credability back tbh Corben was labours worse enemy he lost them so many voters cus he was an idiot And replaced him with a wet blanket like kier starmer! Yes he should probably change his whole personality and turn into a treacherous, narcissistic, corrupt sociopathic liar. That seems to be the way that works nowadays " | |||
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"I hope Corbin sets up his new party." is it any different to Corbyn's ? | |||
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"You can impeach a prime minister on grounds of treason not just in the states it's much harder to do here but the justification is there. It's extremely unlikely they will. just the preffered outcome I'd like instead of resignation but resignation will have to" You don't appear to know what 'treason' is under the current legal system. It could easily be argued that Prince Andrew has acted in a treasonable manner given his Mum's age and recent health issues... | |||
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"TBH we shoukd be more outraged at the shambles and damage Brexit is doing the eco.y, our ever decreasing rights and appalling immigration policy and destruction of our economy and last but not least the slow death of the NHS. Most people were more outraged by the contempt for democracy displayed by Remainers...and the shocking lies they told in the referendum. Ever wondered why Labour never wins elections? Like 350m for the NHS!!! brilliant. The big slogan along the side of the bus!!! Even Boris the Blade was non committed either way on brexit until he seen which way it was heading and then rushed to the front and said follow me" The slogan on the side of the bus was an underestimate | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years" You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? | |||
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" Cummings....what an ass Cummings is a brilliant strategist. he can’t be that good of a strategist! If he was that good he wouldn’t be a pariah in his own country Being the unelected leader of the country is not a bad touch! He hadn't accounted for how low his puppet would stoop, was is only mistake. so his strategy had a flaw. Surely a genius strategist would have known not to trust Boris the Blade. Betrayal has been met with Boris's downfall. Who do you think leaked the last party story? It is however fitting end for the pair of them I have no doubt DC will do anything he can to get Boris out. Don’t know if we will ever find out if he is behind the latest leak but he would if he had the evidence of it for sure! He is a very bitter man, will poor eyesight, bet he wishes he had hindsight " DC spoke on his podcast all about the 20May event even stating that Sue Gray should specifically look for or ask for an email (timedate given) relating to 20th May gathering...DC is a very vindictive character, he has the dirt on many MPs from all parties, it was how he started his career. I have always (well, 'always' as in past few years) thought he was a typical coward...he spun stories to his own good, then ran away when the plates stopped spinning...its no surprise he has never had the balls to run for public office...he learnt the hard way not call an honourable man's integrity into question whilst trying to speak down to Johhny Mercer over a military veteran being pursued over an event for which the Govt of the time had awarded a gallantry award for...Cummings will never stop emerging for a nibble...he reminds me of a rat on a tip...probably why he insists on being seen with carrier bags etc ... | |||
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"TBH we shoukd be more outraged at the shambles and damage Brexit is doing the eco.y, our ever decreasing rights and appalling immigration policy and destruction of our economy and last but not least the slow death of the NHS. Most people were more outraged by the contempt for democracy displayed by Remainers...and the shocking lies they told in the referendum. Ever wondered why Labour never wins elections? Like 350m for the NHS!!! brilliant. The big slogan along the side of the bus!!! Even Boris the Blade was non committed either way on brexit until he seen which way it was heading and then rushed to the front and said follow me The slogan on the side of the bus was an underestimate" The Slogan was a load of tosh as was proven many times over at the time but as normal in the Uk, we get popularism overtaking pragmatism when it comes time for the electorate to vote. Our simple majority wins approach doesnt help...just gives us a cyclical system whereby we plebs elect one party g8ve them a few years to screw up then elect the other lunatucs to screw us up for a few years then back again... | |||
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"Don't like Boris but all this is is all political smoke and mirrors. Labour party have no policies, strategies, how to rebuild economy or how to run the country. Boris has enemies in the media, over brexit who won't let it go, MPs who don't like his environmental policies. Boris has implemented more socialist policies than the labour party have ever did to the anger of many conservatives. Whether he goes or stays, what is done is done you can't change it. All that will happen if he goes he'll just be replaced by by someone more sympathetic towards one group or other, bremoaners or anti environmentalists. There is another up to to 3 years of conservatives. Couple of months as things start to return to relative normally this will all be forgotten, people conveniently forget when it suits. Labour will still have no policies and long-term views. If by some miracle they get in at next election they can spend the next 5 years blaming the shit state on the conservatives and not do anything about it And peoples will still be claiming how unfair life is." Boris certainly has some long term views most revolve around still being pm for the next 3-4 hours | |||
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" Boris has implemented more socialist policies than the labour party have ever did to the anger of many conservatives. " He really hasn't. Being forced to spend money to support a country during a pandemic is not socialism. Taxes on the rich have not gone up. Corporation tax has not gone up. Spending on the NHS has not gone up in real terms. Don't tell me, you buy the "levelling up" nonsense... | |||
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"Don't like Boris but all this is is all political smoke and mirrors. Labour party have no policies, strategies, how to rebuild economy or how to run the country. Boris has enemies in the media, over brexit who won't let it go, MPs who don't like his environmental policies. Boris has implemented more socialist policies than the labour party have ever did to the anger of many conservatives. Whether he goes or stays, what is done is done you can't change it. All that will happen if he goes he'll just be replaced by by someone more sympathetic towards one group or other, bremoaners or anti environmentalists. There is another up to to 3 years of conservatives. Couple of months as things start to return to relative normally this will all be forgotten, people conveniently forget when it suits. Labour will still have no policies and long-term views. If by some miracle they get in at next election they can spend the next 5 years blaming the shit state on the conservatives and not do anything about it And peoples will still be claiming how unfair life is." It's totally irrelevant how poor the opposition are in this issue, fact is he's overseen a culture of complete disregard for the very rules he enacted which the vast majority abided by.. And broken the law that led to others being fined, if you repeatedly demonstrate that you believe yourself to be above the rules that apply to all then expect a comeback.. And it will come from his fellow conservatives, only they if they act before the next GE can remove him.. | |||
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"Absolutely yes he should resign, we need to show accountability!!!!! He broke the rules and lied and cheated to cover his tracks ! What are we teaching youngsters if the leader of our country can behave in such away !! If the Tories have any sense (questionable) they will oust him and make it an example or come next election alot of angry people will be voting for the opposing parties purely out of anger and the feeling of betrayl" same as what we taught them with b liar send troops to an illegal war and kill hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians and we will reward you with knighthoods.fact is this country has had shit leaders for the last 40 yrs its just most people have only just started paying attention for the last cpl of years | |||
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"Absolutely yes he should resign, we need to show accountability!!!!! He broke the rules and lied and cheated to cover his tracks ! What are we teaching youngsters if the leader of our country can behave in such away !! If the Tories have any sense (questionable) they will oust him and make it an example or come next election alot of angry people will be voting for the opposing parties purely out of anger and the feeling of betraylsame as what we taught them with b liar send troops to an illegal war and kill hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians and we will reward you with knighthoods.fact is this country has had shit leaders for the last 40 yrs its just most people have only just started paying attention for the last cpl of years" One hundred percent this. We were talking about this at work today. Huge scandals like Thatcher and the Belgrano, Miners Strike, 11 years at the top. Bliar and the Iraq war, 10 years at the top. Johnson and cheese and wine, on a cliff edge. Definitely people seem to be much more aware these last few years. | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? " Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies." Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges" so what value was it? Did they not sell it as that is what they would put towards the NHS? Plus there is a huge divorce bill and it will be a long time before we will be saving anything at all? | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges" Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit. | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit." You can still travel easily...barring coronavirus complications. Why do you think you should just be able to go to a third country and live/work? You don't just turn up in America and demand to stay, do you? Or Japan? India? Argentina? You can still visit Spain for up to 6 months a year. You can ask to live there...but that will be up to Spain as it is in reverse. And we now have democracy back. In the old EU days we had to tolerate laws being made abroad by people you couldn't sack... which was why General Elections had become meaningless. That's a priceless power that people died for at Peterloo. Look also at wages for the poor sods such as drivers, leisure and hospitality staff...their wages had previously been forced down by EU 'freedom of movement'. There's LOTS more | |||
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"Yes…a blip in increased wages in already suffering sectors because of the huge exodus of staff due to factors including a hostile environment and Covid will be sure to make up from the catastrophic losses in exports our economy is currently suffering from! You don't think it's important that, as Tony Benn etc said, we can elect and sack the people who make our laws? Or that we can now make laws on environment, working practices, building, roads, motorways, buses, energy etc? Also not important that we can control immigration to give relief to workers whose wages have been forced down by the EU? Or that housing should be put out of reach of young people? Really? Not important?" We were always able to make those laws. We are also now able to make laws to reduce judicial independence and for politicians to overrule judges' decisions. The EU did not "force down" any wages. Freedom of movement made more skilled and unskilled workers available. As it turns out, we do not have enough of either. Wages and costs may go up but we will be producing and earning less as a country as a consequence. We could have limited immigration numbers when the Eastern European countries joined but chose not to of our own accord. Housing is more in reach of young people now than it ever has been. There is a spike in house prices and second (unoccupied) homes. We have also failed to build enough affordable housing at all because councils have no money and developers don't want to. We sold off most of what we had. All completely independent of the EU. Rest of the world immigration is increasing but at more cost to employers. Stop blaming other people. Our government and country have been using the EU as an excuse for its failures for decades and even after we have allegedly left are still blaming it. The current government, Prime Minister and Cabinet display that behaviour very clearly. Nothing at all is their responsibility...and no not all politicians were or are the same. This group are far, far worse on this respect because this is how they got power and have never been punished for it. There are no consequences for failure, as demonstrated by the bankers in 2008. | |||
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"Yes…a blip in increased wages in already suffering sectors because of the huge exodus of staff due to factors including a hostile environment and Covid will be sure to make up from the catastrophic losses in exports our economy is currently suffering from! You don't think it's important that, as Tony Benn etc said, we can elect and sack the people who make our laws? Or that we can now make laws on environment, working practices, building, roads, motorways, buses, energy etc? Also not important that we can control immigration to give relief to workers whose wages have been forced down by the EU? Or that housing should be put out of reach of young people? Really? Not important?" It’s who is in control that is important, not where the control is. Putting aside your nonsensical assertion that membership of the EU implies we had no control over UK laws and immigration, or that non membership will lead to any meaningful improvement in economic prospects for UK citizens, the Conservatives have been in power in this country for the majority of the last 100 years. As most social and economic benefits for the UK have happened under Labour administrations, there is little evidence that ‘sovereignty’, as you imagine it, is of any benefit to us whatsoever. Ceding the entire control of the nation to EU autocrats would only benefit us, as a whole, when the historical evidence is considered. And our entire lack of economic power in comparison to that of our largest trading partner now means we will be ceding control to them far more as a non-member than we ever did as a member of the EU, when we had one of the most powerful seats at the table. Leavers threw away the UK’s future…unfortunately we all have to live off the crumbs. | |||
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"He should resign. But also - who's next to rule over us? Gove? Rees-Mogg? *Shudders* Hoping for Rees-Mogg but will most likely be Rishi" They are all equally useless, so you needn’t worry. Whoever we get will be worse than the current incumbent. | |||
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"My own opinion please do not judge me I think he should go , l know the choice of who to replace isn't good but we could give them a chance That's why elections take place : to answer that very question. Sack him an through him to the courts, then get the election going ASAP" even if u get shot of boris he gets replaced by another conservitive,your not getting another election for a cpl more years yet or do you think if he goes it means there will be an election? The torys aint calling one until the date for one rolls around | |||
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"He should resign. But also - who's next to rule over us? Gove? Rees-Mogg? *Shudders* Hoping for Rees-Mogg but will most likely be Rishi They are all equally useless, so you needn’t worry. Whoever we get will be worse than the current incumbent. Better than anything labour can offer " As useless as Labour currently are, it’s obvious to anyone that’s not true. Unless you consider corruption and ineptitude to be desirable qualities from the nation’s leadership, that is. In which case yes, the Tories will be your choice. | |||
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"My own opinion please do not judge me I think he should go , l know the choice of who to replace isn't good but we could give them a chance That's why elections take place : to answer that very question. Sack him an through him to the courts, then get the election going ASAP" Elections are not about choosing prime ministers. | |||
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"Watching the news about Boris Johnston's parties while we were in lockdown, should he resign? I say yes, what do you think fellow fabbers" I think he should stay , he’s not for everyone I know but I quite like him as a front man , he’s up beat and positive and he never wanted a lockdown either. I also don’t want labour in . | |||
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"Watching the news about Boris Johnston's parties while we were in lockdown, should he resign? I say yes, what do you think fellow fabbers I think he should stay , he’s not for everyone I know but I quite like him as a front man , he’s up beat and positive and he never wanted a lockdown either. I also don’t want labour in . " When the qualities you think are useful in leadership are those of a clown, it’s no surprise to find a clown as your leader. | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit. You can still travel easily...barring coronavirus complications. Why do you think you should just be able to go to a third country and live/work? You don't just turn up in America and demand to stay, do you? Or Japan? India? Argentina? You can still visit Spain for up to 6 months a year. You can ask to live there...but that will be up to Spain as it is in reverse. And we now have democracy back. In the old EU days we had to tolerate laws being made abroad by people you couldn't sack... which was why General Elections had become meaningless. That's a priceless power that people died for at Peterloo. Look also at wages for the poor sods such as drivers, leisure and hospitality staff...their wages had previously been forced down by EU 'freedom of movement'. There's LOTS more" The EU regulations are usually what is banded about as EU laws. Most of the regulations were basically technical administration and a lot of them didn't actually apply to us, the Uk isn't an olive producer as an example and because of the union a there was a need for joined up trade measures. EU laws did play a big part in employee rights, free movement of workers and trade. they didn't have much to do if anything in crime, health, defence etc. | |||
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"Yes…a blip in increased wages in already suffering sectors because of the huge exodus of staff due to factors including a hostile environment and Covid will be sure to make up from the catastrophic losses in exports our economy is currently suffering from! You don't think it's important that, as Tony Benn etc said, we can elect and sack the people who make our laws? Or that we can now make laws on environment, working practices, building, roads, motorways, buses, energy etc? Also not important that we can control immigration to give relief to workers whose wages have been forced down by the EU? Or that housing should be put out of reach of young people? Really? Not important? We were always able to make those laws. We are also now able to make laws to reduce judicial independence and for politicians to overrule judges' decisions. The EU did not "force down" any wages. Freedom of movement made more skilled and unskilled workers available. As it turns out, we do not have enough of either. Wages and costs may go up but we will be producing and earning less as a country as a consequence. We could have limited immigration numbers when the Eastern European countries joined but chose not to of our own accord. Housing is more in reach of young people now than it ever has been. There is a spike in house prices and second (unoccupied) homes. We have also failed to build enough affordable housing at all because councils have no money and developers don't want to. We sold off most of what we had. All completely independent of the EU. Rest of the world immigration is increasing but at more cost to employers. Stop blaming other people. Our government and country have been using the EU as an excuse for its failures for decades and even after we have allegedly left are still blaming it. The current government, Prime Minister and Cabinet display that behaviour very clearly. Nothing at all is their responsibility...and no not all politicians were or are the same. This group are far, far worse on this respect because this is how they got power and have never been punished for it. There are no consequences for failure, as demonstrated by the bankers in 2008." No, we weren't able to make those laws in the EU. Historically, we could... but since we gave away sovereignty we have had to implement EU Directives. Those directives took the effect of British law, but we had no alternative other than to implement them, although we had the right to ask the EU to vary them...requests that were generally refused. We were not ruling ourselves and our voters couldn't touch Directives. These Directives, according to the Commons Library, made up almost 70% of UK law. These Directives and the powers agreed in treaties affected jobs, economic activity, wages, immigration, housing, cars, roads, energy prices, prices in the shops via the Customs Union Common External Tariff, imports, exports, privatisation, agriculture, fisheries etc etc. Increasingly foreign policy was coming within their remit. National armies, air forces etc are to be handed over to a planned EU Army... after decades of lies. Mass immigration, caused by the EU's 'freedom of movement' put downward pressure on wages. We are now seeing that unwind in the form of pay rises for workers. Many people clearly don't understand how the EU stole our power as voters...but that's what was happening | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit. You can still travel easily...barring coronavirus complications. Why do you think you should just be able to go to a third country and live/work? You don't just turn up in America and demand to stay, do you? Or Japan? India? Argentina? You can still visit Spain for up to 6 months a year. You can ask to live there...but that will be up to Spain as it is in reverse. And we now have democracy back. In the old EU days we had to tolerate laws being made abroad by people you couldn't sack... which was why General Elections had become meaningless. That's a priceless power that people died for at Peterloo. Look also at wages for the poor sods such as drivers, leisure and hospitality staff...their wages had previously been forced down by EU 'freedom of movement'. There's LOTS more The EU regulations are usually what is banded about as EU laws. Most of the regulations were basically technical administration and a lot of them didn't actually apply to us, the Uk isn't an olive producer as an example and because of the union a there was a need for joined up trade measures. EU laws did play a big part in employee rights, free movement of workers and trade. they didn't have much to do if anything in crime, health, defence etc." The EU economic model has destroyed millions of jobs and weakened workers in the workplace. The EU has helped employers treat workers appallingly by creating, via freedom of movement, a huge pool of cheap labour | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit. You can still travel easily...barring coronavirus complications. Why do you think you should just be able to go to a third country and live/work? You don't just turn up in America and demand to stay, do you? Or Japan? India? Argentina? You can still visit Spain for up to 6 months a year. You can ask to live there...but that will be up to Spain as it is in reverse. And we now have democracy back. In the old EU days we had to tolerate laws being made abroad by people you couldn't sack... which was why General Elections had become meaningless. That's a priceless power that people died for at Peterloo. Look also at wages for the poor sods such as drivers, leisure and hospitality staff...their wages had previously been forced down by EU 'freedom of movement'. There's LOTS more The EU regulations are usually what is banded about as EU laws. Most of the regulations were basically technical administration and a lot of them didn't actually apply to us, the Uk isn't an olive producer as an example and because of the union a there was a need for joined up trade measures. EU laws did play a big part in employee rights, free movement of workers and trade. they didn't have much to do if anything in crime, health, defence etc. The EU economic model has destroyed millions of jobs and weakened workers in the workplace. The EU has helped employers treat workers appallingly by creating, via freedom of movement, a huge pool of cheap labour" And you don’t think that China hasn’t impacted EU job opportunities at all? | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit. You can still travel easily...barring coronavirus complications. Why do you think you should just be able to go to a third country and live/work? You don't just turn up in America and demand to stay, do you? Or Japan? India? Argentina? You can still visit Spain for up to 6 months a year. You can ask to live there...but that will be up to Spain as it is in reverse. And we now have democracy back. In the old EU days we had to tolerate laws being made abroad by people you couldn't sack... which was why General Elections had become meaningless. That's a priceless power that people died for at Peterloo. Look also at wages for the poor sods such as drivers, leisure and hospitality staff...their wages had previously been forced down by EU 'freedom of movement'. There's LOTS more The EU regulations are usually what is banded about as EU laws. Most of the regulations were basically technical administration and a lot of them didn't actually apply to us, the Uk isn't an olive producer as an example and because of the union a there was a need for joined up trade measures. EU laws did play a big part in employee rights, free movement of workers and trade. they didn't have much to do if anything in crime, health, defence etc. The EU economic model has destroyed millions of jobs and weakened workers in the workplace. The EU has helped employers treat workers appallingly by creating, via freedom of movement, a huge pool of cheap labour" You have a very clear sovereignty bias, that makes it hard to be have conversation from a middle ground. Workers in huge numbers you could say are unskilled so what makes those skills worth more money? Lets see if we can discuss this from the statement perspective and not from a sovereignty bias. | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit. You can still travel easily...barring coronavirus complications. Why do you think you should just be able to go to a third country and live/work? You don't just turn up in America and demand to stay, do you? Or Japan? India? Argentina? You can still visit Spain for up to 6 months a year. You can ask to live there...but that will be up to Spain as it is in reverse. And we now have democracy back. In the old EU days we had to tolerate laws being made abroad by people you couldn't sack... which was why General Elections had become meaningless. That's a priceless power that people died for at Peterloo. Look also at wages for the poor sods such as drivers, leisure and hospitality staff...their wages had previously been forced down by EU 'freedom of movement'. There's LOTS more The EU regulations are usually what is banded about as EU laws. Most of the regulations were basically technical administration and a lot of them didn't actually apply to us, the Uk isn't an olive producer as an example and because of the union a there was a need for joined up trade measures. EU laws did play a big part in employee rights, free movement of workers and trade. they didn't have much to do if anything in crime, health, defence etc. The EU economic model has destroyed millions of jobs and weakened workers in the workplace. The EU has helped employers treat workers appallingly by creating, via freedom of movement, a huge pool of cheap labour And you don’t think that China hasn’t impacted EU job opportunities at all? " Yes and no. The EU's economic imbecility started way before the rise of China. It has gone from over 30% or world economic activity in the 1980s to 16.5% a few years ago. It will be even lower now. It's economic growth lags behind every other continent on the planet. Including Antarctica | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit. You can still travel easily...barring coronavirus complications. Why do you think you should just be able to go to a third country and live/work? You don't just turn up in America and demand to stay, do you? Or Japan? India? Argentina? You can still visit Spain for up to 6 months a year. You can ask to live there...but that will be up to Spain as it is in reverse. And we now have democracy back. In the old EU days we had to tolerate laws being made abroad by people you couldn't sack... which was why General Elections had become meaningless. That's a priceless power that people died for at Peterloo. Look also at wages for the poor sods such as drivers, leisure and hospitality staff...their wages had previously been forced down by EU 'freedom of movement'. There's LOTS more The EU regulations are usually what is banded about as EU laws. Most of the regulations were basically technical administration and a lot of them didn't actually apply to us, the Uk isn't an olive producer as an example and because of the union a there was a need for joined up trade measures. EU laws did play a big part in employee rights, free movement of workers and trade. they didn't have much to do if anything in crime, health, defence etc. The EU economic model has destroyed millions of jobs and weakened workers in the workplace. The EU has helped employers treat workers appallingly by creating, via freedom of movement, a huge pool of cheap labour You have a very clear sovereignty bias, that makes it hard to be have conversation from a middle ground. Workers in huge numbers you could say are unskilled so what makes those skills worth more money? Lets see if we can discuss this from the statement perspective and not from a sovereignty bias. " What you call, puzzlingly, 'sovereignty bias' is actually a belief that we elect people to enact laws. If they make a mess of it we can sack them and elect other people. It's called democracy. Yes, I support it. Unlike the Remainers who have been itching to overturn the voters' verdict since 2016 | |||
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"The cat is out of the bag. Fanatical Remainer Lord Adonis (cruelly named!) has Tweeted: 'Boris goes, Brexit goes'. Did anyone really believe that the other parties were really angry about drinks parties nearly two years ago? It's all about bitterness around how we voted 6 years ago. They've been itching to ignore our votes for 6 years You live (part time ?)in Spain but voted leave? Yes. Why not? What do you think the issues were at the referendum? it was a bit dumb as it clearly impacts / hinders Brits in terms of travel or residency in Europe. I’m not too sure now what the issues were. We were certainly sold a series of lies. Some Remainers think that people voted Leave from a dislike of foreigners...and so they would naturally, in that case, think it hypocritical for a Leaver to live in Spain. But the case for Brexit wasn't about that...that is a Remainer lie. It was about ending the situation in which 67% of our laws were being made in Brussels...by people we voters couldn't touch. I really think many Remainers didn't understand even the most fundamental issues in the referendum. They were told many lies: that the economy would collapse, that house prices would collapse, that Britain wouldn't be able to get pharmaceuticals, that wars would start. But the £350m on the side of the bus was correct (actually an understatement). The claim that it was misleading was yet another lie by the predominantly Remain political class which wanted to protect its privileges Wars would start? Come on. It’s taken a work and travel privilege away from my kids , made it tougher for me to travel and stop in Europe and really hasn’t delivered a single benefit. You can still travel easily...barring coronavirus complications. Why do you think you should just be able to go to a third country and live/work? You don't just turn up in America and demand to stay, do you? Or Japan? India? Argentina? You can still visit Spain for up to 6 months a year. You can ask to live there...but that will be up to Spain as it is in reverse. And we now have democracy back. In the old EU days we had to tolerate laws being made abroad by people you couldn't sack... which was why General Elections had become meaningless. That's a priceless power that people died for at Peterloo. Look also at wages for the poor sods such as drivers, leisure and hospitality staff...their wages had previously been forced down by EU 'freedom of movement'. There's LOTS more The EU regulations are usually what is banded about as EU laws. Most of the regulations were basically technical administration and a lot of them didn't actually apply to us, the Uk isn't an olive producer as an example and because of the union a there was a need for joined up trade measures. EU laws did play a big part in employee rights, free movement of workers and trade. they didn't have much to do if anything in crime, health, defence etc. The EU economic model has destroyed millions of jobs and weakened workers in the workplace. The EU has helped employers treat workers appallingly by creating, via freedom of movement, a huge pool of cheap labour You have a very clear sovereignty bias, that makes it hard to be have conversation from a middle ground. Workers in huge numbers you could say are unskilled so what makes those skills worth more money? Lets see if we can discuss this from the statement perspective and not from a sovereignty bias. What you call, puzzlingly, 'sovereignty bias' is actually a belief that we elect people to enact laws. If they make a mess of it we can sack them and elect other people. It's called democracy. Yes, I support it. Unlike the Remainers who have been itching to overturn the voters' verdict since 2016" Of course, the EU is democratic, and we voted for our representatives in the EU, the same way we vote for our MPs in the UK. And they made our laws. And as we’ve witnessed the Tories make a continual mess of our country, and hardly ever get sacked so we can elect other people as a consequence, which calls into question the entire efficacy of the broken system you are choosing to call democracy. When you read the continual factual errors you continue to make about this it’s no surprise at all that people say Leavers didn’t know what they were voting for. You can’t seem to demonstrate the most basic understanding of the system you criticise. | |||
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