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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree?" I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol | |||
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"It’s hard one to answer though isn’t it! I’ve been thinking about my opinion on it. And I couldn’t say ‘yes I agree’ because that’d be saying I think it’s ineffective, which I don’t and to be fair I don’t think that many people actually do. However I don’t think it is effective enough to justify the segregation, blame, abuse, ridicule, bullying etc of people who haven’t had it. "  ..Good comment. | |||
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"Neither bang on the head nor enraging…it’s just nonsense." A bang to the head perhaps. | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree?" As the vaccine isn't ineffective there's no blame to be made in my opinion. | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol" At first I thought “what a great answer” but then realised that you cannot catch a headache so it doesn’t work as a metaphor or comparison. | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol At first I thought “what a great answer” but then realised that you cannot catch a headache so it doesn’t work as a metaphor or comparison." The MMR vaccine doesn't work unless you take it | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol At first I thought “what a great answer” but then realised that you cannot catch a headache so it doesn’t work as a metaphor or comparison. The MMR vaccine doesn't work unless you take it" | |||
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"It's a statement that falls down km both its premises - first that the vaccines have been ineffective and secondly that the performance of the vaccine is being blamed on the unvaccinated. The recent WHO report suggests suggests vaccines saved half a million lives and preventss tens of millions of infections." The WHO report. LMAO! | |||
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"350 people under the age of 60 have died with COVID with no other comorbidity in the last year … all other deaths had some kind of comorbidity. 400 people drowned last year … more people literally drown every year than die of COVID if previously healthy vaxxed or unvaxxed … " Are you able to provide a link to a credible source for this? I have no way of knowing if true but if it is then that is very interesting! | |||
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"350 people under the age of 60 have died with COVID with no other comorbidity in the last year … all other deaths had some kind of comorbidity. 400 people drowned last year … more people literally drown every year than die of COVID if previously healthy vaxxed or unvaxxed … " I heard that The Coroner ordered the pathologists in these drownings to PCR test at 1000 cycles so as to put them down as COVID deaths. /s | |||
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"350 people under the age of 60 have died with COVID with no other comorbidity in the last year … all other deaths had some kind of comorbidity. 400 people drowned last year … more people literally drown every year than die of COVID if previously healthy vaxxed or unvaxxed … " Actually 631 people sadly died of drowning last year. A third of those were suicide. The rest of your stats are not even remotely correct, but consider virtually no one over 50 doesn't have a comorbidity of covid and between a third and half the population do too. | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol" I took that pain relief it and it didn't work. There is always a third option, Failure to include this group, will really skew things. | |||
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"350 people under the age of 60 have died with COVID with no other comorbidity in the last year … all other deaths had some kind of comorbidity. 400 people drowned last year … more people literally drown every year than die of COVID if previously healthy vaxxed or unvaxxed … " Dont know if your numbers are correct or not, but thought it helpful to point out that swimming is in the national curriculum. You know as in a way to help kids survive if they fall in the water. As in a vaccine helps if you get infected. Same principal different methodology needed, both to save lives | |||
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"Did some digging around and this is from Feb 21 - an FOI request to ONS... https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsofthoseunder60fromcovid19withnocomorbiditiesandmortalityratesin2020 The figures for deaths with no underlying conditions/co-morbidities are indeed pretty small. " From the link: "We define a pre-existing condition here as the last health condition mentioned on the first part of the death certificate when it came before the coronavirus (COVID-19) or was an independent contributory factor in the death, mentioned in part II. Where only COVID-19 was recorded on the death certificate, or COVID-19 and subsequent conditions caused by COVID-19 were recorded, we refer to these deaths as having "No pre-existing conditions". Of the 50,335 deaths that occurred in March to June 2020 involving COVID-19 in England and Wales, 45,859 (91.1%) had at least one pre-existing condition, while 4,476 (8.9%) had none." This is how most respiratory/seasonal viruses kill people - they exacerbate pre existing conditions and the specific cause of death is often linked to the pre existing condition. One of the most prevalent pre existing conditions that will appear on COVID related deaths, is diabetes. Now, I'm sure most of us knows someone with diabetes, it's increasingly common. It's also very manageable and I'd wager that the majority of people who died due to COVID ballsing up their diabetes would otherwise have been at very low risk of dying. My Grandad (89) lived with advanced heart failure, survived influenza in winter 2019 but the moment he got COVID, it was too much. He'd actually been in the best health he'd been for a long time, just before he caught COVID. It finished him off in under a week. I'm pretty certain my Grandad would have made it the 9 months more to his 90th birthday, possibly beyond, but no, COVID cleaned him up. Many people would say "ah yes, but he had a co-morbidity, a pre-existing condition" like that makes his death somehow acceptable? The number of people in the UK who have undiagnosed underlying health conditions is high. Many forms of cardiovascular disease, for example, can be asymptomatic or easy to ignore in early stages, but if identified at death, would be recorded on the death certificate as a co-morbidity. Most people over 40 have some identifiable cardiovascular disease (it's normal aging as well as diet/lifestyle) and almost everyone over 50 has some degree of atherosclerosis, no matter how healthy they look on the outside. These people would be classified as having co-morbidities, even if not diagnosed in life. Many people on this thread will have undiagnosed disease, especially cardiovascular, because it's what happens as you age. | |||
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"350 people under the age of 60 have died with COVID with no other comorbidity in the last year … all other deaths had some kind of comorbidity. 400 people drowned last year … more people literally drown every year than die of COVID if previously healthy vaxxed or unvaxxed … Actually 631 people sadly died of drowning last year. A third of those were suicide. The rest of your stats are not even remotely correct, but consider virtually no one over 50 doesn't have a comorbidity of covid and between a third and half the population do too." It's quite a feat to quote as fact, two statistics that are both factually incorrect. 
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol I took that pain relief it and it didn't work. There is always a third option, Failure to include this group, will really skew things." And that's why they tested stayed the efficacy of the various vaccines, nobody ever claimed 100% | |||
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"Did some digging around and this is from Feb 21 - an FOI request to ONS... https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsofthoseunder60fromcovid19withnocomorbiditiesandmortalityratesin2020 The figures for deaths with no underlying conditions/co-morbidities are indeed pretty small. " Thank goodness for the lockdown then, it worked. | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol" So everyone without a headache has to take paracetamol???? | |||
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"Did some digging around and this is from Feb 21 - an FOI request to ONS... https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsofthoseunder60fromcovid19withnocomorbiditiesandmortalityratesin2020 The figures for deaths with no underlying conditions/co-morbidities are indeed pretty small. Thank goodness for the lockdown then, it worked." Yip lockdowns worked to push suicide rates through the roof and push all patients out of hospitals so they no regular treatments where being carried out so people died unnecessarily! the list goes on!… great policy indeed | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol I took that pain relief it and it didn't work. There is always a third option, Failure to include this group, will really skew things. And that's why they tested stayed the efficacy of the various vaccines, nobody ever claimed 100%" The risk of adverse reaction from these vaccines is scary, hopefully you will wake up before you become injured from your next dose.., we are all praying for you to wake up to what is really going on in the world atm !! | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol So everyone without a headache has to take paracetamol???? " I heard chopping your head off works too. Obviously would stop one from waking up, but would presumably cure the headache? Or maybe try trepanning? | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree?" In the late 1700's when Edward Jenner created the first ever vaccines, there were massive objections from large groups of people. The church described it as unchristian, many scientists spoke out against it, politicians quit their parties for supporting it and there were marches & riots claiming that it violated their personal liberties. In 1885 there was a 100,000 person march in Leicester against the roll out of a vaccination project... Small pox has been completely wiped out by vaccines. Cal | |||
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree? I'd go so far as to say that paracetamol is pretty good for headaches, but it doesn't work if you don't take it lol So everyone without a headache has to take paracetamol???? I heard chopping your head off works too. Obviously would stop one from waking up, but would presumably cure the headache? Or maybe try trepanning? " I'd rather drill holes in my head.
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"Heard a sentence that was both pretty bang on the head or severely enraging depending on how you see things… “This is the first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine has been blamed on people who haven’t taken it.” Would you agree with that, whether fully or partially or do you entirely or partially disagree?" Completely agree | |||
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