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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer." his choice or yours | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer.his choice or yours" It’s a parents choice and you don’t know his child’s medical history  | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer." I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer.his choice or yours It’s a parents choice and you don’t know his child’s medical history "i just wonderd if it was his choice or his childs why u felt the need to jump to his defence i have no idea,well yea i do know as ive read plenty of your posts | |||
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" … my grandchildren won’t be getting jabbed … their parents aren’t so why should they …" Just as a matter of interest, if your grandchildren choose to be vaccinated at some point would their parents stop them? Possible dilemma for future years. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer.his choice or yours It’s a parents choice and you don’t know his child’s medical history i just wonderd if it was his choice or his childs why u felt the need to jump to his defence i have no idea,well yea i do know as ive read plenty of your posts"It’s a free and open forum And we all know your take on things but again it’s an open forum so carry on  | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial!" medds are taken off the shelf when a better one is developed
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"My children are older than that age bracket. My 20 year old decided to get the vaccine so he could go on holiday. My 17 year old had covid over Christmas (recovering well) but might have it when he can so he can go on holiday. My 16 year old had it in October but doesn't want the vaccine because she's worried about the effects on her body in later life. " Now this is interesting because they are at an age where they can decide, and it's good to see a variance in their decisions. However a 5 year old isn't it able to make an informed decision...so then it is down to the parents and their wishes. | |||
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"My children are older than that age bracket. My 20 year old decided to get the vaccine so he could go on holiday. My 17 year old had covid over Christmas (recovering well) but might have it when he can so he can go on holiday. My 16 year old had it in October but doesn't want the vaccine because she's worried about the effects on her body in later life. Now this is interesting because they are at an age where they can decide, and it's good to see a variance in their decisions. However a 5 year old isn't it able to make an informed decision...so then it is down to the parents and their wishes. " There are also 7 other vaccinations that children are given by the age of 3 which obviously will need parental consent too. It's the way it's been for a very long time. | |||
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"My children are older than that age bracket. My 20 year old decided to get the vaccine so he could go on holiday. My 17 year old had covid over Christmas (recovering well) but might have it when he can so he can go on holiday. My 16 year old had it in October but doesn't want the vaccine because she's worried about the effects on her body in later life. Now this is interesting because they are at an age where they can decide, and it's good to see a variance in their decisions. However a 5 year old isn't it able to make an informed decision...so then it is down to the parents and their wishes. " I 100% would not allow a young child to have it. I had covid myself over Christmas, I'm unvaccinated and survived. The only reason I would say to get a child vaccinated was if they had severe medical issues. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial!" And your evidence for fertility issues is........ | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! And your evidence for fertility issues is........" 75% of the women I know had hormonal changes/cycle issues after the vaccine. | |||
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"My children are older than that age bracket. My 20 year old decided to get the vaccine so he could go on holiday. My 17 year old had covid over Christmas (recovering well) but might have it when he can so he can go on holiday. My 16 year old had it in October but doesn't want the vaccine because she's worried about the effects on her body in later life. Now this is interesting because they are at an age where they can decide, and it's good to see a variance in their decisions. However a 5 year old isn't it able to make an informed decision...so then it is down to the parents and their wishes. There are also 7 other vaccinations that children are given by the age of 3 which obviously will need parental consent too. It's the way it's been for a very long time." Difference is those vacinnes have been as you say there for a very long time.So we have more research on how those vacinnes have performed over time. This one is different, we have no data beyond 18months usage for these vacinnes. So it's hard to compare them to current vacinnes for other conditions. | |||
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"My children are older than that age bracket. My 20 year old decided to get the vaccine so he could go on holiday. My 17 year old had covid over Christmas (recovering well) but might have it when he can so he can go on holiday. My 16 year old had it in October but doesn't want the vaccine because she's worried about the effects on her body in later life. Now this is interesting because they are at an age where they can decide, and it's good to see a variance in their decisions. However a 5 year old isn't it able to make an informed decision...so then it is down to the parents and their wishes. There are also 7 other vaccinations that children are given by the age of 3 which obviously will need parental consent too. It's the way it's been for a very long time. Difference is those vacinnes have been as you say there for a very long time.So we have more research on how those vacinnes have performed over time. This one is different, we have no data beyond 18months usage for these vacinnes. So it's hard to compare them to current vacinnes for other conditions. " Long term data now maybe but less so when originally introduced I'm guessing. I was just making the point that parental consent for vaccinations isnt a new thing so each will have their decisions to make. | |||
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"My children are older than that age bracket. My 20 year old decided to get the vaccine so he could go on holiday. My 17 year old had covid over Christmas (recovering well) but might have it when he can so he can go on holiday. My 16 year old had it in October but doesn't want the vaccine because she's worried about the effects on her body in later life. " That's a good spread. My 21 year old is booked in tomorrow. My 19 year old still values my opinion (on some things) and said he wasn't going to a few weeks ago. I suspect uni and school students are going to take the brunt of any restrictions that are coming so may suggest he thinks again as he has exams coming and doesn't need any extra crap from having to isolate even more. If they were younger like in the op .. I'd probably say not, as right now it doesn't seem a huge benefit for that age group. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer.his choice or yours It’s a parents choice and you don’t know his child’s medical history i just wonderd if it was his choice or his childs why u felt the need to jump to his defence i have no idea,well yea i do know as ive read plenty of your posts
It’s a free and open forum
And we all know your take on things but again it’s an open forum so carry on "oh you all know my take on things lol what are they then?still didnt answer why u had to jump to his defence though?any im off out catch u later sweetheart | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! And your evidence for fertility issues is........ 75% of the women I know had hormonal changes/cycle issues after the vaccine." The menstrual cycle is part of your immune system. Having a vaccination is a jolt to your immune system, jolting it into life, so it not surprising that they temporary change to the menstrual cycle is seen sometimes. Natural covid infection can cause the exact same thing. No evidence so far of any of the vaccines causing longterm menstrual problems. There is some early evidence of natural covid infection effecting male and female fertility but this nowhere near proven yet though. What is proven is pregnant vaccinated women lose way less children and have less emergency early births. The women themselves have many times less chance of being serious ill in ICU. Parents and the children if able to make the decision, need to decide themselves. But they should decide using facts and data from reputable sources, multiple if possible, not stuff written by karen on Facebook or BS spread by grifters looking for clickbait or looking to sell their latest snake oil. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! And your evidence for fertility issues is........ 75% of the women I know had hormonal changes/cycle issues after the vaccine. The menstrual cycle is part of your immune system. Having a vaccination is a jolt to your immune system, jolting it into life, so it not surprising that they temporary change to the menstrual cycle is seen sometimes. Natural covid infection can cause the exact same thing. No evidence so far of any of the vaccines causing longterm menstrual problems. There is some early evidence of natural covid infection effecting male and female fertility but this nowhere near proven yet though. What is proven is pregnant vaccinated women lose way less children and have less emergency early births. The women themselves have many times less chance of being serious ill in ICU. Parents and the children if able to make the decision, need to decide themselves. But they should decide using facts and data from reputable sources, multiple if possible, not stuff written by karen on Facebook or BS spread by grifters looking for clickbait or looking to sell their latest snake oil. " Or they could decide entirely based on how they feel about it. While I understand why everyone keeps going on about how everyone should be getting all their info from reputable sources, people should be able to make a decision on whatever justification they choose. Maybe they have a gut feeling? Maybe Aunty died after it? Maybe they’ve had covid and it was barely a sniffle. It’s honestly up to them. You’ve just said they should ‘decide themselves’ and then gone on to tell them how to decide and the ‘correct’ information they should use to make that decision….? | |||
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"Hell no am I taking an experimental biological agent misrepresented as a vaccine which as a rule of thumb generally stops you getting a disease and transmitting it, particularly with the unethical methods it is being "sold" under to an apparently democratic society. Why in the name of f**k would I subject any of my children to it - particularly when they are not a risk group for severe disease of Covid?!
To "protect" my elderly relatives, or your elderly relatives?! You can eff right off - my children will not ever be used or potentially exposed to unknown adverse reactions in years to come to protect others!!! 
I'm interested, what's your medical background to make such pronouncements "Why would he need a medical background to determine that he doesn’t want his kids to have it? | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! And your evidence for fertility issues is........ 75% of the women I know had hormonal changes/cycle issues after the vaccine. The menstrual cycle is part of your immune system. Having a vaccination is a jolt to your immune system, jolting it into life, so it not surprising that they temporary change to the menstrual cycle is seen sometimes. Natural covid infection can cause the exact same thing. No evidence so far of any of the vaccines causing longterm menstrual problems. There is some early evidence of natural covid infection effecting male and female fertility but this nowhere near proven yet though. What is proven is pregnant vaccinated women lose way less children and have less emergency early births. The women themselves have many times less chance of being serious ill in ICU. Parents and the children if able to make the decision, need to decide themselves. But they should decide using facts and data from reputable sources, multiple if possible, not stuff written by karen on Facebook or BS spread by grifters looking for clickbait or looking to sell their latest snake oil. Or they could decide entirely based on how they feel about it. While I understand why everyone keeps going on about how everyone should be getting all their info from reputable sources, people should be able to make a decision on whatever justification they choose. Maybe they have a gut feeling? Maybe Aunty died after it? Maybe they’ve had covid and it was barely a sniffle. It’s honestly up to them. You’ve just said they should ‘decide themselves’ and then gone on to tell them how to decide and the ‘correct’ information they should use to make that decision….? " Very Well said. As for the "official" facts... Sometimes the analysis based on them are ywisted somewhat to suit the authors narrative. Regarding the facts about pregnancy as an example take a look at pages 28 to 30 in the weekly covid surveillance report. Which analyses premature and still births with and without. | |||
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"OK this one is certainly gonna lighten up the forums for opinions.Please respect people's individual choices and articulate ones opinion without the need to insult others. Ok so the portal is open for those aged between 5 and 11....Now many adults are vacinatted, are you going to get your children vacinated if they fall between those ages? Would be interesting to know how many adults are happy to be vacinatted but who won't vacinate their children. Please no insulting now ok." Everyones medical history is private including children so would not expect parents to disclose this information. | |||
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"It seems highly unlikely that most children won't be exposed to the virus in the coming days. I'm not sure what a vaccination will achieve for them at this point?" I do agree with you pretty much the virus is rife now, but doesn't mean they may need it in the future. The change of someone dying in the uk aged 1 to 12 is 4 in a million. The chance being seriously ill enough to be hospitalized is about 1 in 50000. These numbers are of course for unvaccinated. | |||
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"It seems highly unlikely that most children won't be exposed to the virus in the coming days. I'm not sure what a vaccination will achieve for them at this point?" Got a surplus of jabs to get rid of before the expiry date? | |||
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"OK this one is certainly gonna lighten up the forums for opinions.Please respect people's individual choices and articulate ones opinion without the need to insult others. Ok so the portal is open for those aged between 5 and 11....Now many adults are vacinatted, are you going to get your children vacinated if they fall between those ages? Would be interesting to know how many adults are happy to be vacinatted but who won't vacinate their children. Please no insulting now ok. Everyones medical history is private including children so would not expect parents to disclose this information." Also could fab be breaking privacy laws by allowing said information to be made public? | |||
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"It seems highly unlikely that most children won't be exposed to the virus in the coming days. I'm not sure what a vaccination will achieve for them at this point? I do agree with you pretty much the virus is rife now, but doesn't mean they may need it in the future. The change of someone dying in the uk aged 1 to 12 is 4 in a million. The chance being seriously ill enough to be hospitalized is about 1 in 50000. These numbers are of course for unvaccinated. " Yes but most likely there will be a different vaccine for the future. Arguably it's sensible to wait for that. The last figures I saw for the efficacy of one jab against Omicron weren't great. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! And your evidence for fertility issues is........ 75% of the women I know had hormonal changes/cycle issues after the vaccine. The menstrual cycle is part of your immune system. Having a vaccination is a jolt to your immune system, jolting it into life, so it not surprising that they temporary change to the menstrual cycle is seen sometimes. Natural covid infection can cause the exact same thing. No evidence so far of any of the vaccines causing longterm menstrual problems. There is some early evidence of natural covid infection effecting male and female fertility but this nowhere near proven yet though. What is proven is pregnant vaccinated women lose way less children and have less emergency early births. The women themselves have many times less chance of being serious ill in ICU. Parents and the children if able to make the decision, need to decide themselves. But they should decide using facts and data from reputable sources, multiple if possible, not stuff written by karen on Facebook or BS spread by grifters looking for clickbait or looking to sell their latest snake oil. " Is the menstrual cycle part of the immune system? I was taught at school that the menstrual cycle is part of the female reproductive system. Of course there is no evidence so far of any of the vaccines causing 'long term' menstrual problems because the vaccines have only been out for a short period of time. | |||
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"So glad I dont have little ones! As would b torn as to what to do! I had my booster booked for yesterday have been so worried about it i cancelled it some kind of instinct is telling me not to have it maybe I'm just crazy! But im gonna listen to it and not have booster! If I had to decide for little ones I dont think I would cope with that responsibility ! One of my granddaughters who is 25 has decided not to have it and I fully support her decision x" It's funny how the mind works... I was fine with my first 2 but wobbled a lot for my 3rd... But 3 weeks ago decided it was the lesser of 2 evils. when it comes to the 4th... No idea how I will feel. There's lots about the approach that doesnt feel right to me and I think for many it may be as simple as addressing and acknowledging people's concerns and questions in a respectful and well communicated and easy to access way. Just repeating the mantra and shouting at people I think is counter productive. I mean take the above... Saying there is no evidence it effects menstrual cycle long term to someone who has direct experience of just such evidence is not resolving the concern. I mean having your cycle become painful and fucked up for nearly a year is absolutely not normal for some people.... | |||
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" Is the menstrual cycle part of the immune system? I was taught at school that the menstrual cycle is part of the female reproductive system. Of course there is no evidence so far of any of the vaccines causing 'long term' menstrual problems because the vaccines have only been out for a short period of time." Cyclic remodeling of the endometrium is an inflammatory process. Hardly groundbreaking physiology. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! And your evidence for fertility issues is........ 75% of the women I know had hormonal changes/cycle issues after the vaccine. The menstrual cycle is part of your immune system. Having a vaccination is a jolt to your immune system, jolting it into life, so it not surprising that they temporary change to the menstrual cycle is seen sometimes. Natural covid infection can cause the exact same thing. No evidence so far of any of the vaccines causing longterm menstrual problems. There is some early evidence of natural covid infection effecting male and female fertility but this nowhere near proven yet though. What is proven is pregnant vaccinated women lose way less children and have less emergency early births. The women themselves have many times less chance of being serious ill in ICU. Parents and the children if able to make the decision, need to decide themselves. But they should decide using facts and data from reputable sources, multiple if possible, not stuff written by karen on Facebook or BS spread by grifters looking for clickbait or looking to sell their latest snake oil. Is the menstrual cycle part of the immune system? I was taught at school that the menstrual cycle is part of the female reproductive system. Of course there is no evidence so far of any of the vaccines causing 'long term' menstrual problems because the vaccines have only been out for a short period of time." Well indeed... If one is playing the "no long term evidence of" card one can follow that statement with "effect", "harm" or "safety" whichever suits your argument. | |||
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"I'm vaccinated but no way is my three year old getting a jab " No, it's over 5's | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial!" In 0 years we'll know that covid can severely reduce fertility in about 1-2% of unvaccinated cases. Because you die. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! In 0 years we'll know that covid can severely reduce fertility in about 1-2% of unvaccinated cases. Because you die." Except that's not true is it, there isn't 1% or 2% of unvacvinated people who are catching Covid dying. There are people dying that are vacinated and unvacinated,it's not 1 or 2% though at all. So another nonsense post. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! In 0 years we'll know that covid can severely reduce fertility in about 1-2% of unvaccinated cases. Because you die." Possibly... But not sure the fertility rate of the over 70s is something we really need to worry about. | |||
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"Hell no am I taking an experimental biological agent misrepresented as a vaccine which as a rule of thumb generally stops you getting a disease and transmitting it, particularly with the unethical methods it is being "sold" under to an apparently democratic society. Why in the name of f**k would I subject any of my children to it - particularly when they are not a risk group for severe disease of Covid?!
To "protect" my elderly relatives, or your elderly relatives?! You can eff right off - my children will not ever be used or potentially exposed to unknown adverse reactions in years to come to protect others!!!
I'm interested, what's your medical background to make such pronouncements
Why would he need a medical background to determine that he doesn’t want his kids to have it?
I don't think they were saying that anyone does.
It was more this "Hell no am I taking an experimental biological agent misrepresented as a vaccine"
This is just proper tinfoiler speak. The OP asked a question is there anyone vaccinated that wasn't or was going to allow their 5 to 12 year old children to be vaccinated.
But again why would he need a medical background to have that opinion? Whether or not you think it’s tinfoiler speak. It’s still double standards. If someone posted something along the lines of “everyone should take the vaccine because it’s perfectly safe” while not being factually correct it is still the general viewpoint of a huge majority so you’d just scroll on.
Yet someone gives an opinion which is entirely theirs, but isn’t of the viewpoint of the majority people demand what right they have to say it, what qualifications they have to make such claims, what are their sources, provide me some links etc etc.
By all means have an opposing viewpoint and state as much. But I still don’t see why he’d need any kind of medical background to make any kind of claim on a forum of a swingers site.
I pretty much agree no medicine or vaccine is totally safe. What is factually correct is it safer to take the vaccine than it is to catch covid unvaccinated, there is reams and reams of data to back this up. This is true for all ages , of course as you get younger the advantages of vaccination get smaller but they don't disappear even in 5 year Olds. I agree the people and their children should have the choice to be vaccinated,but they do being aware of the facts and numbers."Knowing there are reams and reams of data has put my mind at rest. PS You forgot to add the peer reviewed bit  | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! In 0 years we'll know that covid can severely reduce fertility in about 1-2% of unvaccinated cases. Because you die. Possibly... But not sure the fertility rate of the over 70s is something we really need to worry about. " True, but the fertility rate of our children is definitely something we need to be concerned about. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! In 0 years we'll know that covid can severely reduce fertility in about 1-2% of unvaccinated cases. Because you die. Possibly... But not sure the fertility rate of the over 70s is something we really need to worry about. True, but the fertility rate of our children is definitely something we need to be concerned about." Amen | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! In 0 years we'll know that covid can severely reduce fertility in about 1-2% of unvaccinated cases. Because you die. Possibly... But not sure the fertility rate of the over 70s is something we really need to worry about. True, but the fertility rate of our children is definitely something we need to be concerned about." We do so sure so surely they would vaccinated ? | |||
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"Think it could be a great time to open a dialogue with children regarding vaccine and general health awareness. Obviously, 3 year olds are for mum and dad to decide. For me, a healthy young child with no pre existing health issues it would be a no at this stage but it's for each mum and dad to decide and if unsure have a word with your GP, skype consultation will be fine. A sex site is probably not the best venue to get advice. "General health awareness... Now there's an interesting national discussion to invest in that might be in everyone's interests. | |||
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"Think it could be a great time to open a dialogue with children regarding vaccine and general health awareness. Obviously, 3 year olds are for mum and dad to decide. For me, a healthy young child with no pre existing health issues it would be a no at this stage but it's for each mum and dad to decide and if unsure have a word with your GP, skype consultation will be fine. A sex site is probably not the best venue to get advice.
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"No, my children will not be vaccinated against Covid. They are fully up to date with all other vaccinations. My eldest son chose to be vaccinated (he’s 24) and is currently the only one in our household to be currently suffering from Covid. Go figure "He's 24 and in the age group most likely to have covid at the moment. Also, he's likely to have the Omicron variant which the vaccine was never designed to fight. The vaccines resulted in antibodies that targeted the structure of spike protein of the first variant and this has changed. However, his t-cells will have memory of parts of the spike protein and will attack the virus. Of course, this immune response isn't as quick as the antibody response which is why he's probably showing symptoms. Complex isn't it... | |||
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"My eldest 2 are teenagers and are both opting to have it but can't til the end of January due to having had covid back in October. My 10 year daughter doesn't want it, so she won't be having it. I have had all 3
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"So glad I dont have little ones! As would b torn as to what to do! I had my booster booked for yesterday have been so worried about it i cancelled it some kind of instinct is telling me not to have it maybe I'm just crazy! But im gonna listen to it and not have booster! If I had to decide for little ones I dont think I would cope with that responsibility ! One of my granddaughters who is 25 has decided not to have it and I fully support her decision x It's funny how the mind works... I was fine with my first 2 but wobbled a lot for my 3rd... But 3 weeks ago decided it was the lesser of 2 evils. when it comes to the 4th... No idea how I will feel. There's lots about the approach that doesnt feel right to me and I think for many it may be as simple as addressing and acknowledging people's concerns and questions in a respectful and well communicated and easy to access way. Just repeating the mantra and shouting at people I think is counter productive. I mean take the above... Saying there is no evidence it effects menstrual cycle long term to someone who has direct experience of just such evidence is not resolving the concern. I mean having your cycle become painful and fucked up for nearly a year is absolutely not normal for some people.... " Yes this is why grandauter decided against it as was worried how it might affect her fertility x | |||
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"General health awareness... Now there's an interesting national discussion to invest in that might be in everyone's interests. Except most people will quickly lose interest. That surge of people cycling, walking, getting fit in the first lockdown when it was thought that being overweight might be a risk factor. Didn't last long." Well true... Although not sure there was ever very much of a national debate or action... As elvis the great physician, like nostradamus said... A little less Conversation a little more action. Interested to see this today... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59854919 About thousands needing NHS treatment thanks to lockdown activities... There's no free lunch. | |||
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"It seems highly unlikely that most children won't be exposed to the virus in the coming days. I'm not sure what a vaccination will achieve for them at this point? I do agree with you pretty much the virus is rife now, but doesn't mean they may need it in the future. The change of someone dying in the uk aged 1 to 12 is 4 in a million. The chance being seriously ill enough to be hospitalized is about 1 in 50000. These numbers are of course for unvaccinated. " Just as an FYI the statement I made in quotations was just an example. I wasn’t making any reference to what is true and factual and/or proven by data or anything like that. I was simply showing the huge difference in the expectations of people when met with opinions they do or don’t agree with. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! In 0 years we'll know that covid can severely reduce fertility in about 1-2% of unvaccinated cases. Because you die. Possibly... But not sure the fertility rate of the over 70s is something we really need to worry about. True, but the fertility rate of our children is definitely something we need to be concerned about. We do so sure so surely they would vaccinated ?" Is there any data on the effect COVID vaccines have on fertility in children? | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial!" Vaccinations have gone through all stages of development and trial. Work was just done in parallel and benefited from massive investment and focus. https://youtu.be/l6gtl6EXuTE Every drug and vaccine that we have ever received passed through the same steps and will probably had far smaller scale trials. Covid trial volunteer rates were exceptionally high and covered a broad range of the population. Ask the question, then check the answer rather than making an assumption from the use of words in normal life rather than a specialist case. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! In 0 years we'll know that covid can severely reduce fertility in about 1-2% of unvaccinated cases. Because you die. Possibly... But not sure the fertility rate of the over 70s is something we really need to worry about. True, but the fertility rate of our children is definitely something we need to be concerned about. We do so sure so surely they would vaccinated ? Is there any data on the effect COVID vaccines have on fertility in children?" This is not anything to do with your question so apologies ... But there is access to the ons data on deaths for the last 2 years that you can drop into excel and have a noodle around with here which may be of interest ... https://www.ons.gov.uk/datasets/weekly-deaths-age-sex/editions/covid-19/versions/64 | |||
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"OK this one is certainly gonna lighten up the forums for opinions.Please respect people's individual choices and articulate ones opinion without the need to insult others. Ok so the portal is open for those aged between 5 and 11....Now many adults are vacinatted, are you going to get your children vacinated if they fall between those ages? Would be interesting to know how many adults are happy to be vacinatted but who won't vacinate their children. Please no insulting now ok." Will have a look at what trial data there is. There is no, inherent reason, why a vaccine generating an antibody response is any different to getting the disease. The decision on vaccination is if there is an individual benefit with a societal benefit secondary. If both are benefits then pretty clear. Depends on age and understanding of individual children of whatever age as to the decision process. | |||
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Not necessarily, ranitidine has been removed after links to blood clots. I was told this by a pharmacist."It wasn't the drug itself it was a trace chemical left over from manufacturing process that was reclassified as possibly cancer causing to humans so was removed from sale. | |||
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According to Dr Christina Parks based on a modelling study referenced below. If this isn't investigated those of you taking the vaccine "may" be continuously with every shot you take, harm your own body.
New evidence is showing that the mRNA vaccines may reprogram the immune system in ways that are permissive for cancer growth. Even more worrying, this new modeling study shows that the spike protein has a high affinity for the anti-cancer proteins, p53 and BRCA 1/2. These data show that it is likely that the spike protein (produced by the vaccines) may be binding to and inactivating these tumor-suppressor genes in the body. p53 is perhaps the gene whose activity is the most important in the body for preventing cancer. Its role is to make sure that all damage to DNA has been properly repaired prior to cell division. If damage is too extensive to be repaired, it signals the cell to commit suicide. BRCA 1/2 play a similar role in breast tissue. Clearly, the inactivation of these genes will lead to cells with DNA mutations continuing to divide and prosper, one of the most important steps in the development of cancer. More research to determine if these interactions are actually taking place in the cells of people with Covid or who have been vaccinated is urgently needed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7324311/"Maybe I'm missing it but that study doesn't appear to have anything to do with the claims you make? | |||
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According to Dr Christina Parks based on a modelling study referenced below. If this isn't investigated those of you taking the vaccine "may" be continuously with every shot you take, harm your own body.
New evidence is showing that the mRNA vaccines may reprogram the immune system in ways that are permissive for cancer growth. Even more worrying, this new modeling study shows that the spike protein has a high affinity for the anti-cancer proteins, p53 and BRCA 1/2. These data show that it is likely that the spike protein (produced by the vaccines) may be binding to and inactivating these tumor-suppressor genes in the body. p53 is perhaps the gene whose activity is the most important in the body for preventing cancer. Its role is to make sure that all damage to DNA has been properly repaired prior to cell division. If damage is too extensive to be repaired, it signals the cell to commit suicide. BRCA 1/2 play a similar role in breast tissue. Clearly, the inactivation of these genes will lead to cells with DNA mutations continuing to divide and prosper, one of the most important steps in the development of cancer. More research to determine if these interactions are actually taking place in the cells of people with Covid or who have been vaccinated is urgently needed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7324311/"There's a couple of problems with this utter word salad. 1) in silico bioinformatic analysis is not in vivo. 2) it's discussing viral spike protein. Which you'd find when infected 3) the mRNA vaccines have two proline amino acid residues inserted which will affect the conformation and behaviour of the protein. Might want to study some basic proteomics. This is why copying and pasting stuff from your QAnon telegram groups is rather pointless. | |||
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"You do know there are no long term clinical studies on the long term adverse affects of these vaccines to confirm that they are going to be safe long term especially as billions of people have taken them worldwide! I appreciate all vaccines carry a degree of risk but the risks of long term effects are simply unknown! Is that something you can acknowledge and accept? If you can accept this then you can understand that this is one the main reasons why many people won’t allow their children to be jabbed amongst many other reasons! I can name many." Absolutely, there are no "long term" studies because there has been no long term. However, this is how all medicines are tested and introduced. Part of that process is the clinicians understanding what is brand new (higher risk) and what is a development of something already in wide use (lower risk). Have you taken this into account with every medicine that you've ever been prescribed? Why should anyone be more sensitive about this than anything else? | |||
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"We take our kids away on holiday so was black mailed into being the vaccine. "Black mailed"? Like being "black mailed" into putting them into a car seat or wearing a seat belt? On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it? So have sex behind your wife back and risking STD is ok then need to have a look around your glass house before chucking them stones. I believe STD kill more people every year than covid.. "Gotta love people in those glass houses lobbing those morality bricks around | |||
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"We take our kids away on holiday so was black mailed into being the vaccine. "Black mailed"? Like being "black mailed" into putting them into a car seat or wearing a seat belt? On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it? So have sex behind your wife back and risking STD is ok then need to have a look around your glass house before chucking them stones. I believe STD kill more people every year than covid.. Gotta love people in those glass houses lobbing those morality bricks around "I am not telling people how to live try it. it frees you from worries. | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! Vaccinations have gone through all stages of development and trial. Work was just done in parallel and benefited from massive investment and focus. https://youtu.be/l6gtl6EXuTE Every drug and vaccine that we have ever received passed through the same steps and will probably had far smaller scale trials. Covid trial volunteer rates were exceptionally high and covered a broad range of the population. Ask the question, then check the answer rather than making an assumption from the use of words in normal life rather than a specialist case. That is reassuring. So there is no need to have any concerns regarding the medicine approval process, in particular the expedited approval pathway? Are you concerned about any other medicine that has been approved? Have you ever researched and declined anything else? I am not concerned because I am not a clinician and have no, even vaguely reliable, information to second guess them. Look up what the Emergency Use Authorisation is. The only difference, in this instance, is that clinicians could use the data as it came in rather than waiting until everything was completed. This allowed them to gain confidence with a much larger data set, faster than a normal trial. Safety monitoring is the same as a normal process. What are your concerns about the process undertaken? Not your perception, but with what actually took place compared to any other medicine or vaccine?" My concerns include, but are not limited to, the following: Limited evidence at time of conditional approval. Post-authorisation studies. Independent scrutiny. | |||
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it frees you from worries.I was more talking about who you were replying too but good luck with that "Ok sorry for that.  | |||
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it frees you from worries."On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it? | |||
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I am not telling people how to live try it.
it frees you from worries.
On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it?"A holiday can be a life saver in troubling times from a mental health aspect alone. | |||
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I am not telling people how to live try it.
it frees you from worries.
On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it?"No health concern to be fair just would have not taken the vaccine bid not feel we as a family need it as we live a healthy lifestyle and covid has not been a killer of younger healthy people would be far better sending vaccine to the people in need around the world rather than some people who what to sit in the sun for a couple of weeks.. | |||
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I am not telling people how to live try it.
it frees you from worries.
On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it?A holiday can be a life saver in troubling times from a mental health aspect alone."It needs to be abroad? Starting to stretch here, aren't we? | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! Vaccinations have gone through all stages of development and trial. Work was just done in parallel and benefited from massive investment and focus. https://youtu.be/l6gtl6EXuTE Every drug and vaccine that we have ever received passed through the same steps and will probably had far smaller scale trials. Covid trial volunteer rates were exceptionally high and covered a broad range of the population. Ask the question, then check the answer rather than making an assumption from the use of words in normal life rather than a specialist case. That is reassuring. So there is no need to have any concerns regarding the medicine approval process, in particular the expedited approval pathway? Are you concerned about any other medicine that has been approved? Have you ever researched and declined anything else? I am not concerned because I am not a clinician and have no, even vaguely reliable, information to second guess them. Look up what the Emergency Use Authorisation is. The only difference, in this instance, is that clinicians could use the data as it came in rather than waiting until everything was completed. This allowed them to gain confidence with a much larger data set, faster than a normal trial. Safety monitoring is the same as a normal process. What are your concerns about the process undertaken? Not your perception, but with what actually took place compared to any other medicine or vaccine? My concerns include, but are not limited to, the following: Limited evidence at time of conditional approval. Post-authorisation studies. Independent scrutiny. Sounds like a complaint letter to customer services. One year later, with more and more data supporting the vaccines safety what independent body is acceptable to you?" No, the vaccine has proven more pointless as covid gets less damage.  | |||
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"My youngest just turned 12, he's booked in for Jan 16th. No brainer. I wonder will you say that if in years to come they'll have found that fertility is seriously affected or particular cancers on the rise which takes these so-called vaccines off the market? Plenty of meds taken off the shelves after 10 years of being sold - and these particular vaccines are still under emergency authorisation which have not fully gone through all stages of trial! Vaccinations have gone through all stages of development and trial. Work was just done in parallel and benefited from massive investment and focus. https://youtu.be/l6gtl6EXuTE Every drug and vaccine that we have ever received passed through the same steps and will probably had far smaller scale trials. Covid trial volunteer rates were exceptionally high and covered a broad range of the population. Ask the question, then check the answer rather than making an assumption from the use of words in normal life rather than a specialist case. That is reassuring. So there is no need to have any concerns regarding the medicine approval process, in particular the expedited approval pathway? Are you concerned about any other medicine that has been approved? Have you ever researched and declined anything else? I am not concerned because I am not a clinician and have no, even vaguely reliable, information to second guess them. Look up what the Emergency Use Authorisation is. The only difference, in this instance, is that clinicians could use the data as it came in rather than waiting until everything was completed. This allowed them to gain confidence with a much larger data set, faster than a normal trial. Safety monitoring is the same as a normal process. What are your concerns about the process undertaken? Not your perception, but with what actually took place compared to any other medicine or vaccine? My concerns include, but are not limited to, the following: Limited evidence at time of conditional approval. Post-authorisation studies. Independent scrutiny. Sounds like a complaint letter to customer services. One year later, with more and more data supporting the vaccines safety what independent body is acceptable to you? No, the vaccine has proven more pointless as covid gets less damage. "The vaccine has reduced the severity of the illness when caught. Covid is less damaging (on average) because of the vaccines. However, if you are unvaccinated you remain far more likely to be hospitalised. Those are the statistics.Does that make sense to you? | |||
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The vaccine has reduced the severity of the illness when caught.
Covid is less damaging (on average) because of the vaccines. However, if you are unvaccinated you remain far more likely to be hospitalised. Those are the statistics.Does that make sense to you?" Sense may not be what some people desire.
Reinforcement of their belief or bias maybe more relevant to them.
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"We take our kids away on holiday so was black mailed into being the vaccine. "Black mailed"? Like being "black mailed" into putting them into a car seat or wearing a seat belt? On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it? So have sex behind your wife back and risking STD is ok then need to have a look around your glass house before chucking them stones. I believe STD kill more people every year than covid.. Gotta love people in those glass houses lobbing those morality bricks around
I am not telling people how to live try it.
it frees you from worries.
On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it?A holiday can be a life saver in troubling times from a mental health aspect alone.
It needs to be abroad?
Starting to stretch here, aren't we?"Not in the slightest, the weather plays a massive part in people's mental health. I've been on multiple holidays this year. Both british and abroad. No local hols have felt as good as sitting in the sun next to a pool with a cocktail in my hand. The atmosphere alone is world's apart. So yes, I understand the need to go abroad. I also topped up my Vitamin D, win win | |||
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"We take our kids away on holiday so was black mailed into being the vaccine. "Black mailed"? Like being "black mailed" into putting them into a car seat or wearing a seat belt? On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it? So have sex behind your wife back and risking STD is ok then need to have a look around your glass house before chucking them stones. I believe STD kill more people every year than covid.. Gotta love people in those glass houses lobbing those morality bricks around
I am not telling people how to live try it.
it frees you from worries.
On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it?A holiday can be a life saver in troubling times from a mental health aspect alone.
It needs to be abroad?
Starting to stretch here, aren't we?Not in the slightest, the weather plays a massive part in people's mental health.
I've been on multiple holidays this year. Both british and abroad. No local hols have felt as good as sitting in the sun next to a pool with a cocktail in my hand. The atmosphere alone is world's apart.
So yes, I understand the need to go abroad. I also topped up my Vitamin D, win win "We also know that you said yourself that argue on here about vaccinations just to annoy people. What makes people happy is strange indeed. Enjoy  | |||
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One year later, with more and more data supporting the vaccines safety what independent body is acceptable to you?"'Verified on Twitter written be "some doctors"' Why do you feel the need to mock what I say? Does it have to be peer reviewed? | |||
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I am not telling people how to live try it.
it frees you from worries.
On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it?A holiday can be a life saver in troubling times from a mental health aspect alone.
It needs to be abroad?
Starting to stretch here, aren't we?Not in the slightest, the weather plays a massive part in people's mental health.
I've been on multiple holidays this year. Both british and abroad. No local hols have felt as good as sitting in the sun next to a pool with a cocktail in my hand. The atmosphere alone is world's apart.
So yes, I understand the need to go abroad. I also topped up my Vitamin D, win win
We also know that you said yourself that argue on here about vaccinations just to annoy people.
What makes people happy is strange indeed.
Enjoy "....and you're on here behind your wifes back. We all get our thrills where we can
I'm on here to poke fun at how serious the pro vaccine crowd take it. It amuses me at how much they spew forth their dogma yet whinge about the opposite end of the scale and fling insults like they are going out of fashion. They are just as unwilling to see the others view point as the so called tin foil hatters.
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One year later, with more and more data supporting the vaccines safety what independent body is acceptable to you?
'Verified on Twitter written be "some doctors"'
Why do you feel the need to mock what I say?
Does it have to be peer reviewed?"I don't have to. However, when your concerns come from Twitter and are unverifiable then perhaps you should think before writing? You do not even know that they were "Doctors". Not quite the "gotcha" you'd hoped I guess. Again: One year later, with more and more data supporting the vaccines safety what independent body is acceptable to you? | |||
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"We take our kids away on holiday so was black mailed into being the vaccine. "Black mailed"? Like being "black mailed" into putting them into a car seat or wearing a seat belt? On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it? So have sex behind your wife back and risking STD is ok then need to have a look around your glass house before chucking them stones. I believe STD kill more people every year than covid.. Gotta love people in those glass houses lobbing those morality bricks around
I am not telling people how to live try it.
it frees you from worries.
On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it?A holiday can be a life saver in troubling times from a mental health aspect alone.
It needs to be abroad?
Starting to stretch here, aren't we?Not in the slightest, the weather plays a massive part in people's mental health.
I've been on multiple holidays this year. Both british and abroad. No local hols have felt as good as sitting in the sun next to a pool with a cocktail in my hand. The atmosphere alone is world's apart.
So yes, I understand the need to go abroad. I also topped up my Vitamin D, win win
We also know that you said yourself that argue on here about vaccinations just to annoy people.
What makes people happy is strange indeed.
Enjoy ....and you're on here behind your wifes back. We all get our thrills where we can
I'm on here to poke fun at how serious the pro vaccine crowd take it. It amuses me at how much they spew forth their dogma yet whinge about the opposite end of the scale and fling insults like they are going out of fashion. They are just as unwilling to see the others view point as the so called tin foil hatters.
Wish your wife a good night for me and the rest of fabswingers "Ah, a personal attack, and absolutely relevant to a thread on Covid vaccination. That's definitely added to your kudos
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"We take our kids away on holiday so was black mailed into being the vaccine. "Black mailed"? Like being "black mailed" into putting them into a car seat or wearing a seat belt? On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it? So have sex behind your wife back and risking STD is ok then need to have a look around your glass house before chucking them stones. I believe STD kill more people every year than covid.. Gotta love people in those glass houses lobbing those morality bricks around
I am not telling people how to live try it.
it frees you from worries.
On balance then, a holiday was more important than health concerns? That implies, that the health concern was not particularly significant, doesn't it?A holiday can be a life saver in troubling times from a mental health aspect alone.
It needs to be abroad?
Starting to stretch here, aren't we?Not in the slightest, the weather plays a massive part in people's mental health.
I've been on multiple holidays this year. Both british and abroad. No local hols have felt as good as sitting in the sun next to a pool with a cocktail in my hand. The atmosphere alone is world's apart.
So yes, I understand the need to go abroad. I also topped up my Vitamin D, win win
We also know that you said yourself that argue on here about vaccinations just to annoy people.
What makes people happy is strange indeed.
Enjoy ....and you're on here behind your wifes back. We all get our thrills where we can
I'm on here to poke fun at how serious the pro vaccine crowd take it. It amuses me at how much they spew forth their dogma yet whinge about the opposite end of the scale and fling insults like they are going out of fashion. They are just as unwilling to see the others view point as the so called tin foil hatters.
Wish your wife a good night for me and the rest of fabswingers
Ah, a personal attack, and absolutely relevant to a thread on Covid vaccination.
That's definitely added to your kudos
Bullying and name calling ALWAYS carry an argument. It's a good look "If you think that was bullying then you've never experienced it in the slightest. Your psuedo intellectual posts are always full of condescension and derision, don't try the high horse approach now your own morality is being questioned. Taste of your own medicine not feel so nice? I'm done with this convo. Enjoy repeating your dogma over and over trying to make others feel bad. | |||
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