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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ?" One would certainly hope so but I wouldn't like to be the one to say go a catch it and find that death follows after 6-8 weeks though | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ?" We can but hope. When all said and done we can't get passed it until we've all been through it. Once the virus is endemic we are back to waiting for the Comet again.  | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? One would certainly hope so but I wouldn't like to be the one to say go a catch it and find that death follows after 6-8 weeks though" 
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ?" The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. | |||
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"How can it ever be herd immunity? People are catching it for the 2nd and 3rd time. It's never going to end." I don’t know I’m not an expert but I’m hearing some experts I know saying things like this. But you’re right currently people are reportedly getting it it multiple times , quite quick sometimes, which doesn’t fit with the expected lengths of protection stated from getting the virus itself and from having multiple vaccines. I guess a lot now is based on lateral flow test results and we have to assume they aren’t just showing positive for some regular colds ? | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response." Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? " Chris Witty seems to agree and urged caution. There are studies showing better outcomes in countries with previously high levels of infection and high vaccine uptake. Either way, people are still dying from Omicron and I'm not convinced that milder cases is due to more friendly virus over baseline antibodies within the population. Some just 'want' to believe.. | |||
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"Long term damage has not yet been mentioned. As said earlier, what happens if it turns out hospitalisation takes longer on this variant? My father was ultimately killed by MERS he caught 3 years prior to death. He was a fit and healthy 79yr old until he caught MERS during an outbreak on a cruise ship ending up in intensive care. Ultimately, the infection damaged his kidneys which progressively got worse putting him on dialysis every week for hus remaining 3 years. His death was never added to the NERS death figures as it was put down to kidney failure. MERS was a Coronavirus with, just like COVID-19 the ability to infect the cote organs. It will be an issue if later it turns out that having COVID-19 ultimately causes long term damage, something other than Long COVID has not been mentioned. If he'd not been on the cruise ship, he'd probably be still here today." That’s really sad, sorry for you loss. But it doesn’t seem possible to avoid catching this new variant does it ? Isn’t it inevitable in the next year everyone will get it | |||
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"How can it ever be herd immunity? People are catching it for the 2nd and 3rd time. It's never going to end. I don’t know I’m not an expert but I’m hearing some experts I know saying things like this. But you’re right currently people are reportedly getting it it multiple times , quite quick sometimes, which doesn’t fit with the expected lengths of protection stated from getting the virus itself and from having multiple vaccines. I guess a lot now is based on lateral flow test results and we have to assume they aren’t just showing positive for some regular colds ?" Yeah sorry, it was more a wail of despair into the ether, not directed at you personally.  | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? Chris Witty seems to agree and urged caution. There are studies showing better outcomes in countries with previously high levels of infection and high vaccine uptake. Either way, people are still dying from Omicron and I'm not convinced that milder cases is due to more friendly virus over baseline antibodies within the population. Some just 'want' to believe.." Maybe it’s both. You are right that most people contracting omicron in the U.K. will have antibodies , but experts are also saying it’s different - less severe and more infectious | |||
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"Long term damage has not yet been mentioned. As said earlier, what happens if it turns out hospitalisation takes longer on this variant? My father was ultimately killed by MERS he caught 3 years prior to death. He was a fit and healthy 79yr old until he caught MERS during an outbreak on a cruise ship ending up in intensive care. Ultimately, the infection damaged his kidneys which progressively got worse putting him on dialysis every week for hus remaining 3 years. His death was never added to the NERS death figures as it was put down to kidney failure. MERS was a Coronavirus with, just like COVID-19 the ability to infect the cote organs. It will be an issue if later it turns out that having COVID-19 ultimately causes long term damage, something other than Long COVID has not been mentioned. If he'd not been on the cruise ship, he'd probably be still here today."   | |||
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"Long term damage has not yet been mentioned. As said earlier, what happens if it turns out hospitalisation takes longer on this variant? My father was ultimately killed by MERS he caught 3 years prior to death. He was a fit and healthy 79yr old until he caught MERS during an outbreak on a cruise ship ending up in intensive care. Ultimately, the infection damaged his kidneys which progressively got worse putting him on dialysis every week for hus remaining 3 years. His death was never added to the NERS death figures as it was put down to kidney failure. MERS was a Coronavirus with, just like COVID-19 the ability to infect the cote organs. It will be an issue if later it turns out that having COVID-19 ultimately causes long term damage, something other than Long COVID has not been mentioned. If he'd not been on the cruise ship, he'd probably be still here today."  | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? Chris Witty seems to agree and urged caution. There are studies showing better outcomes in countries with previously high levels of infection and high vaccine uptake. Either way, people are still dying from Omicron and I'm not convinced that milder cases is due to more friendly virus over baseline antibodies within the population. Some just 'want' to believe.. Maybe it’s both. You are right that most people contracting omicron in the U.K. will have antibodies , but experts are also saying it’s different - less severe and more infectious " Few typos earlier, sorry. Thanks for the responses from others. There was never mention of the internal long term damage of MERS which became a ticking time bomb for many. More than likely is conbination of both as you say. I have two friends who work in our local UCU. 85-95% those being treated are unvaccinated, the 5% to 15% vaccinated will be immunocompromised or adverse reaction to the virus. It would be interesting knowing how many hospital beds would be vacant if these people had taken the option as 90% of an already disproportionately lower sector of the population is still a high hospitalisation rate overall and seems vaccination is holding off hospitalisation, hopefully. | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? Chris Witty seems to agree and urged caution. There are studies showing better outcomes in countries with previously high levels of infection and high vaccine uptake. Either way, people are still dying from Omicron and I'm not convinced that milder cases is due to more friendly virus over baseline antibodies within the population. Some just 'want' to believe.. Maybe it’s both. You are right that most people contracting omicron in the U.K. will have antibodies , but experts are also saying it’s different - less severe and more infectious Few typos earlier, sorry. Thanks for the responses from others. There was never mention of the internal long term damage of MERS which became a ticking time bomb for many. More than likely is conbination of both as you say. I have two friends who work in our local UCU. 85-95% those being treated are unvaccinated, the 5% to 15% vaccinated will be immunocompromised or adverse reaction to the virus. It would be interesting knowing how many hospital beds would be vacant if these people had taken the option as 90% of an already disproportionately lower sector of the population is still a high hospitalisation rate overall and seems vaccination is holding off hospitalisation, hopefully. " As of last Thursday, 4.8% of occupied beds in hospitals in England were patients who had tested positive for COVID. | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? Chris Witty seems to agree and urged caution. There are studies showing better outcomes in countries with previously high levels of infection and high vaccine uptake. Either way, people are still dying from Omicron and I'm not convinced that milder cases is due to more friendly virus over baseline antibodies within the population. Some just 'want' to believe.. Maybe it’s both. You are right that most people contracting omicron in the U.K. will have antibodies , but experts are also saying it’s different - less severe and more infectious Few typos earlier, sorry. Thanks for the responses from others. There was never mention of the internal long term damage of MERS which became a ticking time bomb for many. More than likely is conbination of both as you say. I have two friends who work in our local UCU. 85-95% those being treated are unvaccinated, the 5% to 15% vaccinated will be immunocompromised or adverse reaction to the virus. It would be interesting knowing how many hospital beds would be vacant if these people had taken the option as 90% of an already disproportionately lower sector of the population is still a high hospitalisation rate overall and seems vaccination is holding off hospitalisation, hopefully. As of last Thursday, 4.8% of occupied beds in hospitals in England were patients who had tested positive for COVID." So about 8,000 beds of which around 90% (7,200) are unvaccinated patients | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? One would certainly hope so but I wouldn't like to be the one to say go a catch it and find that death follows after 6-8 weeks though" Cup half empty not half full… | |||
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"It's going to affect people on a scale from mild to severe, as well as potentially leave ling covid. It's better avoided by intelligent action and behaviour. The smart decision is to get vaccinated, so that you protect more broadly and safely " Yip get more poison in to your system to keep vaccine immune escape pressures sky high so that we can form the next variant even sooner ! Excellent | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ?" Great news… Endemic phase is upon us as predicted my many scientists & the Government’s Operation Rampdown should be on track then for around end of March beginning of April 2022 as per what was previously leaked to tabloids to end all Covid 19 measures and return to normal again… | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? One would certainly hope so but I wouldn't like to be the one to say go a catch it and find that death follows after 6-8 weeks though Cup half empty not half full… " Cup half empty but not delusional lol | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? Chris Witty seems to agree and urged caution. There are studies showing better outcomes in countries with previously high levels of infection and high vaccine uptake. Either way, people are still dying from Omicron and I'm not convinced that milder cases is due to more friendly virus over baseline antibodies within the population. Some just 'want' to believe.. Maybe it’s both. You are right that most people contracting omicron in the U.K. will have antibodies , but experts are also saying it’s different - less severe and more infectious Few typos earlier, sorry. Thanks for the responses from others. There was never mention of the internal long term damage of MERS which became a ticking time bomb for many. More than likely is conbination of both as you say. I have two friends who work in our local UCU. 85-95% those being treated are unvaccinated, the 5% to 15% vaccinated will be immunocompromised or adverse reaction to the virus. It would be interesting knowing how many hospital beds would be vacant if these people had taken the option as 90% of an already disproportionately lower sector of the population is still a high hospitalisation rate overall and seems vaccination is holding off hospitalisation, hopefully. As of last Thursday, 4.8% of occupied beds in hospitals in England were patients who had tested positive for COVID. So about 8,000 beds of which around 90% (7,200) are unvaccinated patients" And where is your source for the 90% were unvaccinated? The data I downloaded from the government website didn't include vaccination status. | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? Chris Witty seems to agree and urged caution. There are studies showing better outcomes in countries with previously high levels of infection and high vaccine uptake. Either way, people are still dying from Omicron and I'm not convinced that milder cases is due to more friendly virus over baseline antibodies within the population. Some just 'want' to believe.." There are two early stage hypotheses relating to Omicron being milder - firstly the obvious one as already said here, that it's appearing milder due to vaccination and previous infection (Omicron has shown its potential to reinfect, but compared to the first waves, the immune system is still able to recognise the virus and reduce it's ability to replicate, even though it's not stopping infection). The second idea backed up by small studies but needing much more research, is that the virus is replicating 70 time more in the airways and throat, (hence the cold like symptoms), but much less in the lungs and other organs where it did so much damage before. Very early days, but the hope would be that if this is the case, and it gains an evolutionary advantage over Delta, then it will seen be endemic; and will also not have the same long Covid consequences if its not affecting major organs. But it is still conjecture are too early to say. | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? The only reason for "milder infection" is that many have been exposed to COVID prior to catching it such as having the virus previously 2+1 vaccines. This is not saying that unvaccinated are not suffering worse outcomes as can be seen by high percentage ending up selfishly hogging hospital beds where if they'd had vaccines, they'd more than likely still be at home. If you caught Delta, then caught it again 2 months later, then it is certain that the second hit would be milder due to a more reactive response. Not sure the first paragraph is scientific fact or your own hypothesis? Chris Witty seems to agree and urged caution. There are studies showing better outcomes in countries with previously high levels of infection and high vaccine uptake. Either way, people are still dying from Omicron and I'm not convinced that milder cases is due to more friendly virus over baseline antibodies within the population. Some just 'want' to believe.. Maybe it’s both. You are right that most people contracting omicron in the U.K. will have antibodies , but experts are also saying it’s different - less severe and more infectious Few typos earlier, sorry. Thanks for the responses from others. There was never mention of the internal long term damage of MERS which became a ticking time bomb for many. More than likely is conbination of both as you say. I have two friends who work in our local UCU. 85-95% those being treated are unvaccinated, the 5% to 15% vaccinated will be immunocompromised or adverse reaction to the virus. It would be interesting knowing how many hospital beds would be vacant if these people had taken the option as 90% of an already disproportionately lower sector of the population is still a high hospitalisation rate overall and seems vaccination is holding off hospitalisation, hopefully. As of last Thursday, 4.8% of occupied beds in hospitals in England were patients who had tested positive for COVID. So about 8,000 beds of which around 90% (7,200) are unvaccinated patients" Remember when you say unvaccinated that means Single jabbed, double jabbed and no jab. | |||
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Some people are catching it because they think covid is better than the vaccines. "Meanwhile some other people are catching it because the are single jabbed and double jabbed and triple jabbed | |||
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"Long term damage has not yet been mentioned. As said earlier, what happens if it turns out hospitalisation takes longer on this variant? My father was ultimately killed by MERS he caught 3 years prior to death. He was a fit and healthy 79yr old until he caught MERS during an outbreak on a cruise ship ending up in intensive care. Ultimately, the infection damaged his kidneys which progressively got worse putting him on dialysis every week for hus remaining 3 years. His death was never added to the NERS death figures as it was put down to kidney failure. MERS was a Coronavirus with, just like COVID-19 the ability to infect the cote organs. It will be an issue if later it turns out that having COVID-19 ultimately causes long term damage, something other than Long COVID has not been mentioned. If he'd not been on the cruise ship, he'd probably be still here today." As bad as this is Did he enjoy the curse up to the point he got sick? It's grate with hindsight but at some point we all live for today. And things happen that kill us. But we all set out on a path and hope to have some fun on that jornny. We need to live for today in some way at some point. | |||
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"How can it ever be herd immunity? People are catching it for the 2nd and 3rd time. It's never going to end. I don’t know I’m not an expert but I’m hearing some experts I know saying things like this. But you’re right currently people are reportedly getting it it multiple times , quite quick sometimes, which doesn’t fit with the expected lengths of protection stated from getting the virus itself and from having multiple vaccines. I guess a lot now is based on lateral flow test results and we have to assume they aren’t just showing positive for some regular colds ?" The official figures are based on positive PCR tests, you can report a positive LFT but it doesn’t count towards the figures until it is confirmed by a PCR. | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ?" That's one way of looking at it. I hope you are right. We could do with some good news. | |||
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"Rapid infection rate, low hospitalisation so a much faster way of building herd immunity, another free vaccine ? That's one way of looking at it. I hope you are right. We could do with some good news." https://youtu.be/OM2VgBm9pTI This is encouraging | |||
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"The concern for me, is that since Omicron is so transmissible, it also increases the mutation rate. The next mutation may not be so pleasant. It could be equally easy to trasmit, more able to get past current immunity to other strains and much more dangerous. " We also don't yet know the Long Covid rstes for Omicrom... | |||
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"The concern for me, is that since Omicron is so transmissible, it also increases the mutation rate. The next mutation may not be so pleasant. It could be equally easy to trasmit, more able to get past current immunity to other strains and much more dangerous. We also don't yet know the Long Covid rstes for Omicrom... "  | |||
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