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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Are you trying to suggest that the death of another human is down to ‘the’ anti vaxer? | |||
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"I am not an anti vaxxer but I would doubt ANYONE regardless of their views on the Covid vaccines would feel anything other than sadness at the passing of another human being. Unless you are trying to conflate being anti-vax with being a Covid-denier? Not the same." Thank you for your opinion. But I am not confused. | |||
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"Was Carlos Marin from Il Divo vaccinated ?" I believe I read that he had the one shot Johnson/Jansen vaccine. | |||
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"Was Carlos Marin from Il Divo vaccinated ?" Was that the question? | |||
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"This is a horrible thread trying to blame and shame a group of people " Where did you read that? I haven't blamed anyone. | |||
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"I am not an anti vaxxer but I would doubt ANYONE regardless of their views on the Covid vaccines would feel anything other than sadness at the passing of another human being. Unless you are trying to conflate being anti-vax with being a Covid-denier? Not the same. Thank you for your opinion. But I am not confused. " I have no doubt you are not confused. I didn’t say that. I asked if you were conflating anti-vax and covid-denier. So what IS the motivation behind your thread then? | |||
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"Was Carlos Marin from Il Divo vaccinated ? I believe I read that he had the one shot Johnson/Jansen vaccine. " Thank you for responding | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" They generally seem to ask for "co-morbidities" as they are adamant that the virus on it's own doesn't kill people. On the other hand, if someone who is vaccinated dies, it must be "because of the vaccine" Cal | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , " Equally my neighbours with three teenagers. One brought it home from school. One sibling caught it. Both kids completely mild/no symptoms. Mum got it (double jabbed at the time) and bed ridden for over a week. Husband (double jabbed) and other child didn’t catch it. Go figure? | |||
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"I am not an anti vaxxer but I would doubt ANYONE regardless of their views on the Covid vaccines would feel anything other than sadness at the passing of another human being. Unless you are trying to conflate being anti-vax with being a Covid-denier? Not the same. Thank you for your opinion. But I am not confused. I have no doubt you are not confused. I didn’t say that. I asked if you were conflating anti-vax and covid-denier. So what IS the motivation behind your thread then?" Follow the thread and you will see. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Most anti-vaxers claim that they are not anti-vax. There will be much outrage but few direct responses. It requires directly confronting some possibility of social responsibility. The thread will widely be diverted. Claims of the vaccine "not working" already being made. So far just the one who doesn't believe that anyone is dying of Covid-19 at all. | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , " yet there are also plenty testing positive who are jabbed my aunt and every one else in her house for example all jabbed all positive cpl of em feel fine one of my cousins feels like he been hit by a truck | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? They generally seem to ask for "co-morbidities" as they are adamant that the virus on it's own doesn't kill people. On the other hand, if someone who is vaccinated dies, it must be "because of the vaccine" Cal" Exactly the narrative changes when it suits the agenda  | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , " It works to a point. No vaccine or medical treatment is 100% effective. It serves its purpose of significantly reducing transmission and the likelihood of developing severe illness or dying. The evidence for this through double blind studies and statistical data through the reduction in hospitalisations and deaths is very widely available. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" not anti vaxxer as ive had all three now,as for how do i feel hearing of another covid death,dont feel anymore than i feel for the thousands of other deaths everyday,dont know these people so really no affect on y life | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , " Its not a magic forcefield. Living in same household he was lucky not to catch it. It happens though. My friend and his wife had a similar situation before either were vaccinated. She caught it, he didn't. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" are you suggesting that this is because of the anti vaxxers ? And if so can you please explain the rationale behind it as I’d be interested to hear your views. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Same way I feel when I hear about people dying of the flu Or when I realise half a million people die in the UK every year Death is inevitable And as I've said before, me not taking the Covid vaccine AT THIS TIME is no different to me not taking the flu shot at this time I've had all other vaccines and I ensured my child did so if you try and compare me to an anti vaxxer for not taking one vaccine against one virus then you have some severe mental issues | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? " Yes, that's exactly why it was started. OP would happily see anyone not up to date on booster rounded up and segregated from society judging by some of their posts in other threads. | |||
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"I am not an anti vaxxer but I would doubt ANYONE regardless of their views on the Covid vaccines would feel anything other than sadness at the passing of another human being. Unless you are trying to conflate being anti-vax with being a Covid-denier? Not the same." Sadly as has been seen before, some people ask if the person was vaccinated to somehow justify their agenda. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Most anti-vaxers claim that they are not anti-vax. There will be much outrage but few direct responses. It requires directly confronting some possibility of social responsibility. The thread will widely be diverted. Claims of the vaccine "not working" already being made. So far just the one who doesn't believe that anyone is dying of Covid-19 at all." I claim to not be anti-vax. Shit does that mean I actually am anti-vax and didn’t even know it!!!! Blimey life is starting to feel more like the Matrix (and just as crap as the sequels) | |||
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"Crikey OP you seem to have touched a nerve. " Wasn't hard was it. Some interesting comments. But sadly many as expected. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Most anti-vaxers claim that they are not anti-vax. There will be much outrage but few direct responses. It requires directly confronting some possibility of social responsibility. The thread will widely be diverted. Claims of the vaccine "not working" already being made. So far just the one who doesn't believe that anyone is dying of Covid-19 at all. I claim to not be anti-vax. Shit does that mean I actually am anti-vax and didn’t even know it!!!! Blimey life is starting to feel more like the Matrix (and just as crap as the sequels)" What did I write? You can read what you wish to read or the actual words. I have seen many threads start with "I am not anti-vax" followed by a large amount of unverified rumour which is their "own research" that indicates that this particular vaccination should not be taken. This same "research" if applied to any vaccine that they have had would mean that none of them should be taken. It would also mean that no future vaccine developments should be taken. | |||
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"Any death is sad, try asking the family involved. My New Year resolution, move on from virus forum, starting to get nasty and same old. It's been fun but time to go. "The most sensible thing I’ve seen written in any of the virus forums. Some people on both sides now are deliberately trying to wind people up and some others just seem completely demented.if you’ve had the vaxx then that’s your choice as is people who haven’t had the vaxx.i don’t think anyone is going to change anyones minds at this point. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Most anti-vaxers claim that they are not anti-vax. There will be much outrage but few direct responses. It requires directly confronting some possibility of social responsibility. The thread will widely be diverted. Claims of the vaccine "not working" already being made. So far just the one who doesn't believe that anyone is dying of Covid-19 at all. I claim to not be anti-vax. Shit does that mean I actually am anti-vax and didn’t even know it!!!! Blimey life is starting to feel more like the Matrix (and just as crap as the sequels) What did I write? You can read what you wish to read or the actual words. I have seen many threads start with "I am not anti-vax" followed by a large amount of unverified rumour which is their "own research" that indicates that this particular vaccination should not be taken. This same "research" if applied to any vaccine that they have had would mean that none of them should be taken. It would also mean that no future vaccine developments should be taken." Oh well my attempt at a joke either fell completely flat or you have no humour  | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? " I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine." An eye for an eye and the world goes blind! What constitutes an anti vaxer to you op? If you have 3 jabs and I have 2? How about if you have 4 and I have 3? Is that guy in the news who got jabs for multiple people now king of the vaccinated? | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine.An eye for an eye and the world goes blind! What constitutes an anti vaxer to you op? If you have 3 jabs and I have 2? How about if you have 4 and I have 3? Is that guy in the news who got jabs for multiple people now king of the vaccinated? " For me, an antivaxxer is someone who actively promotes an Anti-Vaccination standpoint. Not having the vaccine doesn't make someone an antivaxxer, everyone has the right to choose for themselves. I have a friend who isn't vaccinated because she was pregnant and is now breast feeding. She has a valid reason for caution, but she will get vaccinated at a later date. Cal | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine.An eye for an eye and the world goes blind! What constitutes an anti vaxer to you op? If you have 3 jabs and I have 2? How about if you have 4 and I have 3? Is that guy in the news who got jabs for multiple people now king of the vaccinated? For me, an antivaxxer is someone who actively promotes an Anti-Vaccination standpoint. Not having the vaccine doesn't make someone an antivaxxer, everyone has the right to choose for themselves. I have a friend who isn't vaccinated because she was pregnant and is now breast feeding. She has a valid reason for caution, but she will get vaccinated at a later date. Cal" I assumed most people have that viewpoint but I see the term flung in anyone's face who has doubts about taking it. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine.An eye for an eye and the world goes blind! What constitutes an anti vaxer to you op? If you have 3 jabs and I have 2? How about if you have 4 and I have 3? Is that guy in the news who got jabs for multiple people now king of the vaccinated? " Would have thought it was obvious but to be clear. I don't have a problem with anyone choosing not to have the vaccine, that is their choice. What I do find abhorrent are people spreading fake stories and creating fear in order to influence people's choices. Surely the real question is what kind of person would do that. What kind of sick individual would tell people that the vaccine contained micro chips. | |||
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"Had two jabs, know lots of people who haven’t but find no reason to treat them any differently. Done of the posts on this Virus thread freak me out, the hatred and judgement in crazy. We have enough issues to deal with do we really need to split society over personal choices. People who have had two jabs have died with Covid too so the vaccines are not 100% protection. Don’t force your opinions on to others up to now we have a free society " Generally people don't get vilified for saying that they're choosing not to be vaccinated at this time, the get vilified for pushing "alternative theories" (with no scientific basis) and telling us all to "wake up". Cal | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" I feel sad. Doesn't matter to me if they are vaccinated or not, or ardently for or against the vaccine. I'm saddened just the same. Equally, I'm saddened when I hear of anyone's passing. They are leaving behind family, friends, loved ones. Death is death, sad is sad. Simple. Winston | |||
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"I think that me being vaccinated or not had no impact on their life and that as sad as it is, it was no one's fault that they caught Covid. On the basis that the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission in any way there is no reason for someone not vaccinated to think anything other that of empathy for the person and their family. " Vaccination reduces the risk of transmission in the home (worst case environment). If infected vaccination reduces the period that the virus is active. Overall infection rates overall are three times lower in those vaccinated. If you do not have the virus, you cannot pass it on. 'The analysis found that around 25% of vaccinated household contacts tested positive for COVID-19 compared with roughly 38% of unvaccinated household contacts.' 'The analysis found that viral load declined most rapidly among vaccinated people infected with the delta variant compared with unvaccinated people with delta, alpha, or pre-alpha.' https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effective-household-transmission-delta/ 'Coronavirus infections three times lower in double vaccinated people - REACT' '...For this latest round of the REACT study, 98,233 people swabbed themselves at home and their samples were analysed by PCR testing. 527 of these were positive, giving an overall prevalence of 0.63%...People who were unvaccinated had a three-fold higher prevalence than those who had received both doses of a vaccine, at 1.21% compared to 0.40%.' https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/227713/coronavirus-infections-three-times-lower-double/ | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine.An eye for an eye and the world goes blind! What constitutes an anti vaxer to you op? If you have 3 jabs and I have 2? How about if you have 4 and I have 3? Is that guy in the news who got jabs for multiple people now king of the vaccinated? Would have thought it was obvious but to be clear. I don't have a problem with anyone choosing not to have the vaccine, that is their choice. What I do find abhorrent are people spreading fake stories and creating fear in order to influence people's choices. Surely the real question is what kind of person would do that. What kind of sick individual would tell people that the vaccine contained micro chips." COVID is not unique in that aspects. Look at all the Donald Trump/Qanon crazies for proof. Personally I'd never convince anyone either way on taking the vaccine. I believe in freedom of choice and the freedom to make that choice without coercion or pressure. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Are you pro-lockdown OP? | |||
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"Did you call people anti vax when people chose to wait or declined the mmr jab or Any other jab? I remember the furore surrounding that jab no tv orm newspapers carried anti vax headlines. There are approx 10k deaths in england every week each and everyone a tragic event for the friends relatives family of those people, its a sad fact of life that death is inevitable, age illness and accident account for most. " Exactly. The only bonus is that COVID cured influenza, which consequently took a massive strain off the NHS. | |||
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"Did you call people anti vax when people chose to wait or declined the mmr jab or Any other jab? I remember the furore surrounding that jab no tv orm newspapers carried anti vax headlines. There are approx 10k deaths in england every week each and everyone a tragic event for the friends relatives family of those people, its a sad fact of life that death is inevitable, age illness and accident account for most. Exactly. The only bonus is that COVID cured influenza, which consequently took a massive strain off the NHS." Covid "cured" influenza? Thats enough Internet for me today. I'm taking my glasses off, I've seen enough. Winston | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Just as sad as when we hear of cancer deaths and any other death!! | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , " Just on the flip side my ex and my kids came back from a staycation with symptoms I had close contact and they all tested positive all jabbed I tested negative at the time had no jabs | |||
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"In the nicest way possible, I think the question is missing a few points. I've been jabbed where I live now...but when the platform first opened for my age group, the only vaccine available was AZ. And judging from what I heard in the news about AZ causing a few deaths, I didn't want to have the AZ. Luckily other vaccines were soon made available so I chose Pfizer, which also was linked to incidents of myocarditis or pericarditis. But, again, judging from what the official media were saying at the time, there were no known deaths caused from it. Still, I was worried. If AZ was the only vaccine available to my age group, I wouldn't have it. So, technically I would be an anti vaxer, even though I do believe in the service of medicine. It's not always black and white, is it? " As indicated, alternative vaccines to AZ are available, but the actual risk is significantly lower than being unvaccinated and contracting Covid. '..."unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects" that could occur within two weeks of receiving the vaccine, and stressed that the benefits still outweigh the risks. In July, a study by the drugmaker, published in the Lancet, estimated the rate of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, a clotting disorder, at 8.1 cases per million in those who received a first dose of the vaccine, and 2.3 per million after the second dose, which is comparable to incidence in the general population.' https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Are you trying to suggest that the death of another human is down to ‘the’ anti vaxer? " Woman I dance with works in covid wards. Has told me of people who were against the vaccine and who denied its existence who caught it then passed it on to a vulnerable relatives who died as a result. And are devastated with guilt. Make of it what you will | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine.An eye for an eye and the world goes blind! What constitutes an anti vaxer to you op? If you have 3 jabs and I have 2? How about if you have 4 and I have 3? Is that guy in the news who got jabs for multiple people now king of the vaccinated? For me, an antivaxxer is someone who actively promotes an Anti-Vaccination standpoint. Not having the vaccine doesn't make someone an antivaxxer, everyone has the right to choose for themselves. I have a friend who isn't vaccinated because she was pregnant and is now breast feeding. She has a valid reason for caution, but she will get vaccinated at a later date. CalI assumed most people have that viewpoint but I see the term flung in anyone's face who has doubts about taking it." I can't talk to the 'vaccines have microchips because our lizard overlord's are sacrificing us to Satan' crew Where do you even start | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" I assume you've had 2 vaccines and the booster, how do you feel when someone who've had all 3 died of covid ? If you are pro or anti vaccination your mindset of death isn't that different, obviously there are monsters on both sides but the reality is this post is one sided and posted to try and cause a divide which we really shouldn't have because people have a choice. | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , " Based on one story!! We had triple Jabbed friends come to our house. Stayed an hour, sat with them at dining table, chatted and all within a meter of each other. They x3 jabbed tested positive for Covid the next day…… Me x2 jabbed and another not jabbed, a week later negative tests.  | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Just as sad as when we hear of cancer deaths and any other death!!" Having lost family members and close friends to cancer I totally agree. I hope one day there will be a vaccine that too. | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , Based on one story!! We had triple Jabbed friends come to our house. Stayed an hour, sat with them at dining table, chatted and all within a meter of each other. They x3 jabbed tested positive for Covid the next day…… Me x2 jabbed and another not jabbed, a week later negative tests. "And your point is? | |||
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"Take a look at the stories on sorryantivaxxer . c o m and see how the right-wing MAGA QAnon lunacy in USA is causing the devastation of families. " I follow a subreddit called Qanon casulties. Its fascinating and heartbreaking at the same time. While we argue over the term anti vaxxer, they are sat waiting for JFK Jr to return and lead them to glory  | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine.An eye for an eye and the world goes blind! What constitutes an anti vaxer to you op? If you have 3 jabs and I have 2? How about if you have 4 and I have 3? Is that guy in the news who got jabs for multiple people now king of the vaccinated? For me, an antivaxxer is someone who actively promotes an Anti-Vaccination standpoint. Not having the vaccine doesn't make someone an antivaxxer, everyone has the right to choose for themselves. I have a friend who isn't vaccinated because she was pregnant and is now breast feeding. She has a valid reason for caution, but she will get vaccinated at a later date. Cal" What is a ‘valid reason for caution’, what’s an invalid reason for caution? | |||
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"Take a look at the stories on sorryantivaxxer . c o m and see how the right-wing MAGA QAnon lunacy in USA is causing the devastation of families. I follow a subreddit called Qanon casulties. Its fascinating and heartbreaking at the same time. While we argue over the term anti vaxxer, they are sat waiting for JFK Jr to return and lead them to glory "Yep, they're all quite mad and have conflated public health measures with FreeDumb  | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine.An eye for an eye and the world goes blind! What constitutes an anti vaxer to you op? If you have 3 jabs and I have 2? How about if you have 4 and I have 3? Is that guy in the news who got jabs for multiple people now king of the vaccinated? For me, an antivaxxer is someone who actively promotes an Anti-Vaccination standpoint. Not having the vaccine doesn't make someone an antivaxxer, everyone has the right to choose for themselves. I have a friend who isn't vaccinated because she was pregnant and is now breast feeding. She has a valid reason for caution, but she will get vaccinated at a later date. Cal" A perfect response. The binary tribalist nonsense needs to stop. The world isn’t black and white, it is grey and across a broad spectrum. Pro Vax - Everyone Else - Anti Vax | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Just as sad as when we hear of cancer deaths and any other death!! Having lost family members and close friends to cancer I totally agree. I hope one day there will be a vaccine that too. " On a positive note, due to funding that created their covid vaccines, there is much research going on with mRNA based cancer treatments. I hope we will soon be seeing new treatments available. Cal | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Just as sad as when we hear of cancer deaths and any other death!! Having lost family members and close friends to cancer I totally agree. I hope one day there will be a vaccine that too. On a positive note, due to funding that created their covid vaccines, there is much research going on with mRNA based cancer treatments. I hope we will soon be seeing new treatments available. Cal" HIV too I believe. | |||
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"Did you call people anti vax when people chose to wait or declined the mmr jab or Any other jab? I remember the furore surrounding that jab no tv orm newspapers carried anti vax headlines. There are approx 10k deaths in england every week each and everyone a tragic event for the friends relatives family of those people, its a sad fact of life that death is inevitable, age illness and accident account for most. Exactly. The only bonus is that COVID cured influenza, which consequently took a massive strain off the NHS. Covid "cured" influenza? Thats enough Internet for me today. I'm taking my glasses off, I've seen enough. Winston" Sit back down! And it cured pneumonia! | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Reduction of the population is good for the planet the dead have a lower carbon do it print then the living. So so me I hope assisted suicide cones in soon as I don't want to be a burden when old. And all ready have a DNR in place | |||
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"The post only requested a response from anti-vaxers. There are apparently no anti-vaxers on this thread. Opposing one specific vaccination (or series of several alternative vaccinations) is a special case that is not "anti-vax". Nobody need be angry, aggressive or passive-agressive in that case." This | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Reduction of the population is good for the planet the dead have a lower carbon do it print then the living. So so me I hope assisted suicide cones in soon as I don't want to be a burden when old. And all ready have a DNR in place " Controversial take Covid is good for the climate Love it | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Have you started this thread to breed hatred and fear of a section of society? I don't think you can lay the blame for that at my door. It started months ago with fake stories about people dying from the vaccine." The blind leading the blind here. Fake stories about people dying because of the vax? Just ONE example of many...... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/radio-presenter-lisa-shaw-died-as-a-result-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-coroner-rules-52jdmc20z There are hundreds more if you look away from BBC and other mainstream media that are not blocking Real Life examples... | |||
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"In the nicest way possible, I think the question is missing a few points. I've been jabbed where I live now...but when the platform first opened for my age group, the only vaccine available was AZ. And judging from what I heard in the news about AZ causing a few deaths, I didn't want to have the AZ. Luckily other vaccines were soon made available so I chose Pfizer, which also was linked to incidents of myocarditis or pericarditis. But, again, judging from what the official media were saying at the time, there were no known deaths caused from it. Still, I was worried. If AZ was the only vaccine available to my age group, I wouldn't have it. So, technically I would be an anti vaxer, even though I do believe in the service of medicine. It's not always black and white, is it? As indicated, alternative vaccines to AZ are available, but the actual risk is significantly lower than being unvaccinated and contracting Covid. '..."unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects" that could occur within two weeks of receiving the vaccine, and stressed that the benefits still outweigh the risks. In July, a study by the drugmaker, published in the Lancet, estimated the rate of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, a clotting disorder, at 8.1 cases per million in those who received a first dose of the vaccine, and 2.3 per million after the second dose, which is comparable to incidence in the general population.' https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison" Yes, I get the point; for all I know, had I had the AZ, I would have probably been fine. But, most of us are not medical experts and to some of us the "the benefits outweigh the risks" sounded a bit dubious. I didn't want to be among the 8 out of a million cases and I certainly wouldn't want my partner to be among the 8 out of every million. In any case, I think people's doubts and refusals are significantly driven by how authorities handle the dissemination of information regarding pathogens and how they respond to public health measures. Governments like ours and BoJo's that enjoy flip-flopping on issues are bound to create lots of suspicion and denial unfortunately. For example here, medical staff that refuse to get vaccinated are being unofficially sacked. But police officers do not have to get vaccinated. How much fuel will that reasonably give to somebody who is suspicious about a relatively new vaccine? | |||
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"Did you call people anti vax when people chose to wait or declined the mmr jab or Any other jab? I remember the furore surrounding that jab no tv orm newspapers carried anti vax headlines. There are approx 10k deaths in england every week each and everyone a tragic event for the friends relatives family of those people, its a sad fact of life that death is inevitable, age illness and accident account for most. Exactly. The only bonus is that COVID cured influenza, which consequently took a massive strain off the NHS. Covid "cured" influenza? Thats enough Internet for me today. I'm taking my glasses off, I've seen enough. Winston Sit back down! And it cured pneumonia!"
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"I am not an anti vaxxer but I would doubt ANYONE regardless of their views on the Covid vaccines would feel anything other than sadness at the passing of another human being. Unless you are trying to conflate being anti-vax with being a Covid-denier? Not the same. Thank you for your opinion. But I am not confused. I have no doubt you are not confused. I didn’t say that. I asked if you were conflating anti-vax and covid-denier. So what IS the motivation behind your thread then?" To blame and shame the unvaccinated. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Ridiculous question People die of something every day and unless you personally know someone who has died don’t suppose most people give it a thought. Does anyone woke up and think how many people died today??? | |||
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"Yet another click bait anti vax shaming thread Nothing to see here Move along On the contrary. A lot can be learned from the answers people give to certain questions. And as I suspected there some people on here with disturbed personalities." Yes...and yours is one of them. | |||
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"This is a horrible thread trying to blame and shame a group of people Where did you read that? I haven't blamed anyone." Well, I see the blame game not ant-v but pro-choice.
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , " Be careful with that statement as some anti's might jump on it. Although it is possible that the jabbed one is -ve due to vaccine, it is still possible and likely to be infected while vaccinated. Anti's are banding round that those vaccinated people catch it, therefore it doesn't work and complete rubbish in claiming so. It will, however, be the outcomes that differ and know which side I'd prefer to be on. It is more insurance against the outcome than guarantee it can't be caught and a lot of misinformation is strapped to the idea. Fully agree with your statement though. | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , Be careful with that statement as some anti's might jump on it. Although it is possible that the jabbed one is -ve due to vaccine, it is still possible and likely to be infected while vaccinated. Anti's are banding round that those vaccinated people catch it, therefore it doesn't work and complete rubbish in claiming so. It will, however, be the outcomes that differ and know which side I'd prefer to be on. It is more insurance against the outcome than guarantee it can't be caught and a lot of misinformation is strapped to the idea. Fully agree with your statement though." | |||
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"Vaccine works, my son, his step son and step daughter have PCR tested positive, not had the jabs, his partner works in care, as had the jabs is negative, for fucks sack folks get the jabs , Based on one story!! We had triple Jabbed friends come to our house. Stayed an hour, sat with them at dining table, chatted and all within a meter of each other. They x3 jabbed tested positive for Covid the next day…… Me x2 jabbed and another not jabbed, a week later negative tests. "Triple jabbed are more likely to show no symptoms hence more the reason to ask anyone visiting your "space" or you visiting theirs to take a 15 minute, free and easy Lateral Flow Test prior to meeting. As Auntie Nicola says "Flow afore ya go".. | |||
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"What’s being an “anti vaxxer” got to do with covid deaths? It is part of the decision making process if you have "done your own research", unless the effects of your decisions on others is not a consideration. "Just look at the percentage of people unnecessary occupying critical care beds considering: 33% population unvaccinated yet hogging around 90% of ICU beds and vast majority of to 150 or so dying each day, so plenty to do with it. Anti-vax, unsure or medically unfit to be given, either way the outcome is worse... | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Ridiculous question People die of something every day and unless you personally know someone who has died don’t suppose most people give it a thought. Does anyone woke up and think how many people died today???" So you really don't care about anyone else but yourself. | |||
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"What’s being an “anti vaxxer” got to do with covid deaths? It is part of the decision making process if you have "done your own research", unless the effects of your decisions on others is not a consideration.
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33% population unvaccinated yet hogging around 90% of ICU beds and vast majority of to 150 or so dying each day, so plenty to do with it.
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Nothing. And the numbers put out every night on the BBC mean nothing." I rest my case your Honour. | |||
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33% population unvaccinated yet hogging around 90% of ICU beds and vast majority of to 150 or so dying each day, so plenty to do with it.
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"Why.. Get a jab, less chance of needing an expensive bed that could be used by someone not suffering COVID. If your in ICU and jab may have stopped you being there then it is, unnecessary. 1) unnecessary suffering and 2) unnecessary waste of valuable resources. If you have friends who work in the NHS who are tired, suffering severe burn out and pissed with treating people unvaccinated. Putting themselves and their own families at risk, then you'll see my point." Getting a tad boring that same old rhetoric. Have you tried turning off the BBC news? | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Ridiculous question People die of something every day and unless you personally know someone who has died don’t suppose most people give it a thought. Does anyone woke up and think how many people died today??? So you really don't care about anyone else but yourself." Or he doesn't dwell on death. People die daily from a lot of causes, around 160k daily. I personally don't think about it at all. The death of someone I don't know isn't high up on my day to day thinking. | |||
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"Without getting into an argument on semantics. 'unnecessary' was probably a poor choice of word as clearly anyone requiring an ICU beds needs it and it therefore necessary. And anyone regardless of vaccine status does deserve the best medical treatment that can be provided even if 'we' think they have brought it on themself. That doesnt just apply to Covid I understand the point that is being made (as anyone would reading it) perhaps a better choice of word would have been 'needlessly' as having the vaccine may well have prevented the serious illness developing therefore negating the need for that bed to be occupied. " OK - avoidable or unnecessary.. 150 deaths per day (60+ thousand) a year is an absolute tragedy, even more so if many are avoidable by 3 jabs. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Most anti-vaxers claim that they are not anti-vax. There will be much outrage but few direct responses. It requires directly confronting some possibility of social responsibility. The thread will widely be diverted. Claims of the vaccine "not working" already being made. So far just the one who doesn't believe that anyone is dying of Covid-19 at all." The vaccine definitely works! it killed my dad 3 days after his second dose !! | |||
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"Without getting into an argument on semantics. 'unnecessary' was probably a poor choice of word as clearly anyone requiring an ICU beds needs it and it therefore necessary. And anyone regardless of vaccine status does deserve the best medical treatment that can be provided even if 'we' think they have brought it on themself. That doesnt just apply to Covid I understand the point that is being made (as anyone would reading it) perhaps a better choice of word would have been 'needlessly' as having the vaccine may well have prevented the serious illness developing therefore negating the need for that bed to be occupied. OK - avoidable or unnecessary.. 150 deaths per day (60+ thousand) a year is an absolute tragedy, even more so if many are avoidable by 3 jabs." Agreed ... and lets not forget pre-vaccine it was circa 2k deaths a day, with fewer infections | |||
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"Without getting into an argument on semantics. 'unnecessary' was probably a poor choice of word as clearly anyone requiring an ICU beds needs it and it therefore necessary. And anyone regardless of vaccine status does deserve the best medical treatment that can be provided even if 'we' think they have brought it on themself. That doesnt just apply to Covid I understand the point that is being made (as anyone would reading it) perhaps a better choice of word would have been 'needlessly' as having the vaccine may well have prevented the serious illness developing therefore negating the need for that bed to be occupied. " I ride motorcycles, I make a subconscious calculated choice to ride, I know the risks. I'm pretty sure my chances of ending up in ICU from riding my bike is far higher than ending up in ICU than covid. If I end up in ICU after a bike accident then is that a bed needlessly taken up? I could have avoided being in ICU by not going out on my bike. I feel than every ICU patient needs to be there regardless. ICU staff won't treat anyone differently. Ultimately the blame for lack of ICU beds remains firmly at the Government's feet for lack of underfunding over the years and no doubt a fat slice of poor management. So let's not blame the easy targets. | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Ridiculous question People die of something every day and unless you personally know someone who has died don’t suppose most people give it a thought. Does anyone woke up and think how many people died today??? So you really don't care about anyone else but yourself." Of course I care about lots of people but I don’t get up every day and check death rates of Covid or any of the hundreds of other ways people die. If Covid disappeared tomorrow there would still be deaths every day. Oh and by the way had my jabs thanks | |||
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"Without getting into an argument on semantics. 'unnecessary' was probably a poor choice of word as clearly anyone requiring an ICU beds needs it and it therefore necessary. And anyone regardless of vaccine status does deserve the best medical treatment that can be provided even if 'we' think they have brought it on themself. That doesnt just apply to Covid I understand the point that is being made (as anyone would reading it) perhaps a better choice of word would have been 'needlessly' as having the vaccine may well have prevented the serious illness developing therefore negating the need for that bed to be occupied. I ride motorcycles, I make a subconscious calculated choice to ride, I know the risks. I'm pretty sure my chances of ending up in ICU from riding my bike is far higher than ending up in ICU than covid. If I end up in ICU after a bike accident then is that a bed needlessly taken up? I could have avoided being in ICU by not going out on my bike. I feel than every ICU patient needs to be there regardless. ICU staff won't treat anyone differently. Ultimately the blame for lack of ICU beds remains firmly at the Government's feet for lack of underfunding over the years and no doubt a fat slice of poor management. So let's not blame the easy targets. " I dont think the motorbike analogy works, I used to ride a motorbike and did end up in ICU. Yes I knew the risks invovled and mitigated that risk by wearing leathers and a helmet. If I had been riding with no leathers or helmet and ended up in ICU with a head injury then im sure someone would have said 'this is needless you muppet why didnt you wear a helmet' You can mitigate the risk of serious illness from Covid by taking the vaccine. Which is why someone who could have taken the vaccine but didnt may have avoided ICU and is therefore 'needlessly there' ... the necessaty of treatment is not arguable the avoidability of it is open to question. As for your final point on lack of ICU beds and underfunding, not going to disagree with you there. | |||
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"Without getting into an argument on semantics. 'unnecessary' was probably a poor choice of word as clearly anyone requiring an ICU beds needs it and it therefore necessary. And anyone regardless of vaccine status does deserve the best medical treatment that can be provided even if 'we' think they have brought it on themself. That doesnt just apply to Covid I understand the point that is being made (as anyone would reading it) perhaps a better choice of word would have been 'needlessly' as having the vaccine may well have prevented the serious illness developing therefore negating the need for that bed to be occupied. I ride motorcycles, I make a subconscious calculated choice to ride, I know the risks. I'm pretty sure my chances of ending up in ICU from riding my bike is far higher than ending up in ICU than covid. If I end up in ICU after a bike accident then is that a bed needlessly taken up? I could have avoided being in ICU by not going out on my bike. I feel than every ICU patient needs to be there regardless. ICU staff won't treat anyone differently. Ultimately the blame for lack of ICU beds remains firmly at the Government's feet for lack of underfunding over the years and no doubt a fat slice of poor management. So let's not blame the easy targets. " . Probably one of the most common sense posts I’ve seen on here. Also ride bike and agree probably far more danger from that than Covid | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Ridiculous question People die of something every day and unless you personally know someone who has died don’t suppose most people give it a thought. Does anyone woke up and think how many people died today??? So you really don't care about anyone else but yourself.Or he doesn't dwell on death. People die daily from a lot of causes, around 160k daily. I personally don't think about it at all. The death of someone I don't know isn't high up on my day to day thinking." Spot on | |||
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"Without getting into an argument on semantics. 'unnecessary' was probably a poor choice of word as clearly anyone requiring an ICU beds needs it and it therefore necessary. And anyone regardless of vaccine status does deserve the best medical treatment that can be provided even if 'we' think they have brought it on themself. That doesnt just apply to Covid I understand the point that is being made (as anyone would reading it) perhaps a better choice of word would have been 'needlessly' as having the vaccine may well have prevented the serious illness developing therefore negating the need for that bed to be occupied. I ride motorcycles, I make a subconscious calculated choice to ride, I know the risks. I'm pretty sure my chances of ending up in ICU from riding my bike is far higher than ending up in ICU than covid. If I end up in ICU after a bike accident then is that a bed needlessly taken up? I could have avoided being in ICU by not going out on my bike. I feel than every ICU patient needs to be there regardless. ICU staff won't treat anyone differently. Ultimately the blame for lack of ICU beds remains firmly at the Government's feet for lack of underfunding over the years and no doubt a fat slice of poor management. So let's not blame the easy targets. I dont think the motorbike analogy works, I used to ride a motorbike and did end up in ICU. Yes I knew the risks invovled and mitigated that risk by wearing leathers and a helmet. If I had been riding with no leathers or helmet and ended up in ICU with a head injury then im sure someone would have said 'this is needless you muppet why didnt you wear a helmet' You can mitigate the risk of serious illness from Covid by taking the vaccine. Which is why someone who could have taken the vaccine but didnt may have avoided ICU and is therefore 'needlessly there' ... the necessaty of treatment is not arguable the avoidability of it is open to question. As for your final point on lack of ICU beds and underfunding, not going to disagree with you there." Having the vaccine or taking steps to protect yourself in other higher risk activities doesn't give immunity from serious injury or illness. None of us have a crystal ball. I'm pretty sure that ICU workers will give the same level of care regardless. Its only us idiots wasting our time arguing about it, but who doesn't like a mass debate | |||
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"Yet another click bait anti vax shaming thread Nothing to see here Move along On the contrary. A lot can be learned from the answers people give to certain questions. And as I suspected there some people on here with disturbed personalities. Calling anybody who doesn’t want to get vaccinated a disturbed personality isn’t ‘on the contrary’ " Where in this thread have I said that? I think you need to look at yourself and ask why you need to make up false statements. | |||
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"I’ll never have that poison and I’ve been fine. It’s all the vaxxed who are getting ill as their immune systems are failing "And you got this information where? Or do you get a perverse thrill out of spreading lies to advance the anti-vax agenda? | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" Not an anti vaxxer, but this sounds pretty familiar?? - 5 steps to Tierney? - Dehumanisation of a group. What could ever go wrong..... When we fail to learn from the past we are destined to repeat history. --------- O.P Let's be honest! It's sad for all of thirty seconds at most then you forget and carry on with whatever you were doing. Someone dying that you don't know has no real effect, there poor family are shattered but it doesn't effect you in anyeaningfull way (exception of certain types). Same way you don't give two fucks about the thousands that needlessly and preventabley die from Famine, Genoside and other atrocities that happen every day! Anyone stating otherwise is lying to themselves. | |||
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"Apparently there's a new variant coming, it's called Teresaon...which strangely in an anagram reads... No Easter. It might help if members of the Great British Public weren't quite so obsessed with public holidays." Because no one should have the right to have a holiday? | |||
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death? Not an anti vaxxer, but this sounds pretty familiar?? - 5 steps to Tierney? - Dehumanisation of a group. What could ever go wrong..... When we fail to learn from the past we are destined to repeat history. --------- O.P Let's be honest! It's sad for all of thirty seconds at most then you forget and carry on with whatever you were doing. Someone dying that you don't know has no real effect, there poor family are shattered but it doesn't effect you in anyeaningfull way (exception of certain types). Same way you don't give two fucks about the thousands that needlessly and preventabley die from Famine, Genoside and other atrocities that happen every day! Anyone stating otherwise is lying to themselves. " And you really believe that everyone thinks the same as you? | |||
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"Yeah, use logic if everyone got bent out if shape over every death that occurred in the country we would be immobilized. Your telling me now that you or others know and can recite every death that has happened due to Covid or any other cause? Don't try and twist what I'm saying out of context! It's clear I'm differentiating between a close death and ones that saddly happen to complete strangers. " Don't think it's necessary to twist anything you say. Your views are perfectly clear. | |||
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"Yeah, use logic if everyone got bent out if shape over every death that occurred in the country we would be immobilized. Your telling me now that you or others know and can recite every death that has happened due to Covid or any other cause? Don't try and twist what I'm saying out of context! It's clear I'm differentiating between a close death and ones that saddly happen to complete strangers. Don't think it's necessary to twist anything you say. Your views are perfectly clear." Same as yours. Nice to see a healthy debate and not one line attempts at ridicule that clearly are lost due to lack of ability to understand context. | |||
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"Yeah, use logic if everyone got bent out if shape over every death that occurred in the country we would be immobilized. Your telling me now that you or others know and can recite every death that has happened due to Covid or any other cause? Don't try and twist what I'm saying out of context! It's clear I'm differentiating between a close death and ones that saddly happen to complete strangers. Don't think it's necessary to twist anything you say. Your views are perfectly clear. Same as yours. Nice to see a healthy debate and not one line attempts at ridicule that clearly are lost due to lack of ability to understand context. "Now who's trying to twist things to fit their own narrative. | |||
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"Yeah, use logic if everyone got bent out if shape over every death that occurred in the country we would be immobilized. Your telling me now that you or others know and can recite every death that has happened due to Covid or any other cause? Don't try and twist what I'm saying out of context! It's clear I'm differentiating between a close death and ones that saddly happen to complete strangers. Don't think it's necessary to twist anything you say. Your views are perfectly clear. Same as yours. Nice to see a healthy debate and not one line attempts at ridicule that clearly are lost due to lack of ability to understand context.
Now who's trying to twist things to fit their own narrative.". Lol ok. You ask a question and when you get an answer that doesn't align with what you want you become pissy. (clearly seen in all your posts on this subject) And if you are going to try and have a conversation with people try and respond to all points made not one line replies. If you have a point to make explain that point and have a reasonable conversation. Good luck in your endeavours to dehumize those that have concerns about the vaccine and those that are true antivaxers. Maybe skip a few years and just get straight to the concentration camps. | |||
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"Do anti vax people see death in a different light? Stupid question really, don’t try blame or shame people who have different views " Try reading some of the posts on here and you may start to wonder. | |||
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"Yeah, use logic if everyone got bent out if shape over every death that occurred in the country we would be immobilized. Your telling me now that you or others know and can recite every death that has happened due to Covid or any other cause? Don't try and twist what I'm saying out of context! It's clear I'm differentiating between a close death and ones that saddly happen to complete strangers. Don't think it's necessary to twist anything you say. Your views are perfectly clear. Same as yours. Nice to see a healthy debate and not one line attempts at ridicule that clearly are lost due to lack of ability to understand context.
Now who's trying to twist things to fit their own narrative..
Lol ok. You ask a question and when you get an answer that doesn't align with what you want you become pissy. (clearly seen in all your posts on this subject)
And if you are going to try and have a conversation with people try and respond to all points made not one line replies.
If you have a point to make explain that point and have a reasonable conversation.
Good luck in your endeavours to dehumize those that have concerns about the vaccine and those that are true antivaxers.
Maybe skip a few years and just get straight to the concentration camps.
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"How do you feel when you hear of another sad covid death?" I feel normal. I feel sorry for people and their families who died of cancer due to treatment being stopped or suicides. But wait these deaths are not on news. | |||
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"Yeah, use logic if everyone got bent out if shape over every death that occurred in the country we would be immobilized. Your telling me now that you or others know and can recite every death that has happened due to Covid or any other cause? Don't try and twist what I'm saying out of context! It's clear I'm differentiating between a close death and ones that saddly happen to complete strangers. Don't think it's necessary to twist anything you say. Your views are perfectly clear. Same as yours. Nice to see a healthy debate and not one line attempts at ridicule that clearly are lost due to lack of ability to understand context.
Now who's trying to twist things to fit their own narrative..
Lol ok. You ask a question and when you get an answer that doesn't align with what you want you become pissy. (clearly seen in all your posts on this subject)
And if you are going to try and have a conversation with people try and respond to all points made not one line replies.
If you have a point to make explain that point and have a reasonable conversation.
Good luck in your endeavours to dehumize those that have concerns about the vaccine and those that are true antivaxers.
Maybe skip a few years and just get straight to the concentration camps.
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy " And those that are medically exempt? Those that have serious concerns? Those that have had other issues that have stopped them getting jabbed? It's a hard one to navigate unfortunately. But prioritising is not the answer. Same arguments as privatising the NHS. | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy " That is some moral high ground you have taken there! So are you anti-choice and believe vaccines should be mandated? So what about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU because their choice aligned with yours? What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid? How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU? Give your head a wobble! | |||
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"Without getting into an argument on semantics. 'unnecessary' was probably a poor choice of word as clearly anyone requiring an ICU beds needs it and it therefore necessary. And anyone regardless of vaccine status does deserve the best medical treatment that can be provided even if 'we' think they have brought it on themself. That doesnt just apply to Covid I understand the point that is being made (as anyone would reading it) perhaps a better choice of word would have been 'needlessly' as having the vaccine may well have prevented the serious illness developing therefore negating the need for that bed to be occupied. I ride motorcycles, I make a subconscious calculated choice to ride, I know the risks. I'm pretty sure my chances of ending up in ICU from riding my bike is far higher than ending up in ICU than covid. If I end up in ICU after a bike accident then is that a bed needlessly taken up? I could have avoided being in ICU by not going out on my bike. I feel than every ICU patient needs to be there regardless. ICU staff won't treat anyone differently. Ultimately the blame for lack of ICU beds remains firmly at the Government's feet for lack of underfunding over the years and no doubt a fat slice of poor management. So let's not blame the easy targets. " well put. X | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy " Wow, why didn't the consultants and managers think of that. If only life in the adult world looked so simple. ???? | |||
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"This is a horrible thread trying to blame and shame a group of people " Agreed I'm sure that's the underlying tones implied here x | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy " Maybe put the unjabbed out in the carpark!!! | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy That is some moral high ground you have taken there! So are you anti-choice and believe vaccines should be mandated? " To be honest , it doesn't mean that you think vaccines should be mandated to want to survive or are using a moral high ground. If I end up in hospital with Covid and there is one bed left and there is me and a 30 year old who is unvaccinated needing it, I am guessing they would get it and I would be right pissed off as I did my bit to help me and others. | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy That is some moral high ground you have taken there! So are you anti-choice and believe vaccines should be mandated? To be honest , it doesn't mean that you think vaccines should be mandated to want to survive or are using a moral high ground. If I end up in hospital with Covid and there is one bed left and there is me and a 30 year old who is unvaccinated needing it, I am guessing they would get it and I would be right pissed off as I did my bit to help me and others." So you only had the vaccine to help others? No requirement or benefit to yourself? Also what about all the other points I made in the post you snipped this from? Would you be pissed off at the obese or smokers who chose not to change their lifestyle over the past 18mths to help protect them from Covid and reduce steain on NHS/ICU? Pissed off at the vaccinated who completely threw all other caution to the wind and caught it anyway due to their behaviour? | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy That is some moral high ground you have taken there! So are you anti-choice and believe vaccines should be mandated? To be honest , it doesn't mean that you think vaccines should be mandated to want to survive or are using a moral high ground. If I end up in hospital with Covid and there is one bed left and there is me and a 30 year old who is unvaccinated needing it, I am guessing they would get it and I would be right pissed off as I did my bit to help me and others." You'd never know! | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy That is some moral high ground you have taken there! So are you anti-choice and believe vaccines should be mandated? To be honest , it doesn't mean that you think vaccines should be mandated to want to survive or are using a moral high ground. If I end up in hospital with Covid and there is one bed left and there is me and a 30 year old who is unvaccinated needing it, I am guessing they would get it and I would be right pissed off as I did my bit to help me and others. So you only had the vaccine to help others? No requirement or benefit to yourself? Also what about all the other points I made in the post you snipped this from? Would you be pissed off at the obese or smokers who chose not to change their lifestyle over the past 18mths to help protect them from Covid and reduce steain on NHS/ICU? Pissed off at the vaccinated who completely threw all other caution to the wind and caught it anyway due to their behaviour?" Did you read this bit "as I did my bit to help me and others"? I cut your post as that was the only thing I wanted to answer. We could go on forever picking out other reasons like not washing your hands that time in 2020 when you touched the door handle but I don't think that is the the subject, vaccinations are | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy That is some moral high ground you have taken there! So are you anti-choice and believe vaccines should be mandated? To be honest , it doesn't mean that you think vaccines should be mandated to want to survive or are using a moral high ground. If I end up in hospital with Covid and there is one bed left and there is me and a 30 year old who is unvaccinated needing it, I am guessing they would get it and I would be right pissed off as I did my bit to help me and others. So you only had the vaccine to help others? No requirement or benefit to yourself? Also what about all the other points I made in the post you snipped this from? Would you be pissed off at the obese or smokers who chose not to change their lifestyle over the past 18mths to help protect them from Covid and reduce steain on NHS/ICU? Pissed off at the vaccinated who completely threw all other caution to the wind and caught it anyway due to their behaviour? Did you read this bit "as I did my bit to help me and others"? I cut your post as that was the only thing I wanted to answer. We could go on forever picking out other reasons like not washing your hands that time in 2020 when you touched the door handle but I don't think that is the the subject, vaccinations are " I missed the “me” bit so that was my bad! However, I think my other points are highly relevant and sit equally alongside vaccination. I see a lot of people who have abdicated responsibility and therefore ignored the impact they have on society/others because they have been vaccinated. | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy That is some moral high ground you have taken there! So are you anti-choice and believe vaccines should be mandated? To be honest , it doesn't mean that you think vaccines should be mandated to want to survive or are using a moral high ground. If I end up in hospital with Covid and there is one bed left and there is me and a 30 year old who is unvaccinated needing it, I am guessing they would get it and I would be right pissed off as I did my bit to help me and others. You'd never know!" Do you mean I would never know I had lost out on a bed? No I know they wouldn't come right out and say " you are double his/ her age so we are going to try and save him more than you" | |||
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"Then you are obviously very welcome to discuss them "Ok I will. My point original point was addressed to someone who advocated excluding the unvaccinated from hospital. This was clearly based on, in my opinion, taking some misguided moral highground that somehow the vaccinated are more worthy than the unvaccinated. I take issue with that (as a vaccinated person who us not pro-vax but is pro-choice). The reason I take issue is that too many people see the vaccine as an excuse to not take any other action or risk mitigation. I have more respect for someone who quietly declines the vaccine (for whatever reason, their choice) but makes every effort to improve their overall health and fitness, continues to wear a mask, avoids large gatherings (indeed holds off from swinging right now) etc then I do for someone who rolled up their sleeve twice but continues to overeat, be lazy, smoke etc knowing full well that puts them at significantly higher risk, vaccinated or not! | |||
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"Quit simple if hosp get busy people who had all jabs come first iff icu full off people who haven't had jabs and people who have had jabs need icu pull the ones off that haven't had jabs easy That is some moral high ground you have taken there! So are you anti-choice and believe vaccines should be mandated? To be honest , it doesn't mean that you think vaccines should be mandated to want to survive or are using a moral high ground. If I end up in hospital with Covid and there is one bed left and there is me and a 30 year old who is unvaccinated needing it, I am guessing they would get it and I would be right pissed off as I did my bit to help me and others. You'd never know! Do you mean I would never know I had lost out on a bed? No I know they wouldn't come right out and say " you are double his/ her age so we are going to try and save him more than you" " You'd never know any of the details so it would be something not to even think about. | |||
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"This is a horrible thread trying to blame and shame a group of people Agreed I'm sure that's the underlying tones implied here x" Remember it's the un-vaccinated that will get sickest. So by getting vaccinated you're helping to protect Others. | |||
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"This is a horrible thread trying to blame and shame a group of people Agreed I'm sure that's the underlying tones implied here x Remember it's the un-vaccinated that will get sickest. So by getting vaccinated you're helping to protect Others. " That is not strictly true. Might just be semantics but your statement is misleading. The vaccines reduce the possibility of you developing symptoms, getting seriously ill or dying. But if you do get ill, well you still get ill and likely just as sick as someone who is not vaccinated, depending on your own levels of health and fitness, age profile, underlying/hereditary conditions and genetics. There are many variables at play, not just a binary vaccinated vs non-vaccinated reason for serious illness. | |||
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"This is a horrible thread trying to blame and shame a group of people Agreed I'm sure that's the underlying tones implied here x Remember it's the un-vaccinated that will get sickest. So by getting vaccinated you're helping to protect Others. " Thank you for getting vaccinated and protecting me. Can you confirm what level of protection you've given me? | |||
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"This is a horrible thread trying to blame and shame a group of people Agreed I'm sure that's the underlying tones implied here x Remember it's the un-vaccinated that will get sickest. So by getting vaccinated you're helping to protect Others. Thank you for getting vaccinated and protecting me. Can you confirm what level of protection you've given me?" Probably more than you have given to anyone. | |||
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