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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"" I’m saying I don’t trust the experts I’m just how can people know the side effects that could come 5-10 years time it’s impossible to say. For you to say it it’s less likely to catch it and less likely to pass it on is 100% not true. I’m am yes some guy on the internet but this guy looks at government websites, the vaccine producers websites and does my research on it. Can you say you have done that? If you had you wouldn’t be saying that to me. The vaccine only can make symptoms milder | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I’m saying it’s not that I don’t trust the experts. Sorry I’m dyslexic so don’t always see the grammar errors I make which I’m sure u will see reading haha I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?" I’m saying I don’t trust the experts I’m just how can people know the side effects that could come 5-10 years time it’s impossible to say. For you to say it it’s less likely to catch it and less likely to pass it on is 100% not true. I’m am yes some guy on the internet but this guy looks at government websites, the vaccine producers websites and does my research on it. Can you say you have done that? If you had you wouldn’t be saying that to me. The vaccine only can make symptoms milder" | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"" Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy " So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally." No not at all I’m all for tried and tested medication and vaccines. Clearly you aren’t educated at all in this subject. If you were u would see big pharma is in the business of us not being 100% for and healthy people. They are the most successful business ever to be on this planet. Please watch that documentary the pharmacist. Also a documentary on the subject my Michael Myers. You tell me after watching even of one of them that you trust without research what is given to you | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?" I’m saying I don’t trust the experts I’m just how can people know the side effects that could come 5-10 years time it’s impossible to say. For you to say it it’s less likely to catch it and less likely to pass it on is 100% not true. I’m am yes some guy on the internet but this guy looks at government websites, the vaccine producers websites and does my research on it. Can you say you have done that? If you had you wouldn’t be saying that to me. The vaccine only can make symptoms milder" Hi bud, I just thought I would confirm that the longest ever trial for ANY vaccine currently being used for ANY condition was 2 years. There is simply no long term studies of the length of time you mention (5-10 years). The papers that get published and look at whether ANY vaccine (any medication, for that matter) seems to be linked to long term side effects, are independent fellows’ studies/research carried out once that real-life data is available. The way risks are assessed, for any new treatment/medication/vaccine, is a combination of short term trials and existing knowledge from other treatments/medications/vaccines from the same active ingredient’s family or technology/mode of action. As so far you saying that “you don’t trust the experts”, where do I start? Ok, let’s just try this one. You know “that guy from the internet”? By virtue of the research he claims to have done, reading all the medical papers and all the peer reviewed studies, as well as the government website (whatever that website might help educate in medical matters, I don’t know?), it could be argued that he is a self-proclaimed expert. In fact, it is because you have come to see him as an expert that you actually take any notice of what he says, right? So, the question I would put to you is this: how can you accept the views and conclusions from “this guy from the internet”, who has less than 2 years (at best) “experience” reading about this subject but then reject the views and conclusions from dozens of other professionals with decades of experience and knowledge in human health, some of them actually specialists in the field of virology and pandemic prevention/response? Bud, I’m all for critical questioning but it seems like people are too willing to let their confirmation bias drive all their arguments and sources of information. Keep an open mind, please   | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"" f do I trust the medical professionals ? The same professionals that want to vaccinate 5 year old children who are at zero risk? The same professionals that told us just 2 jabs and we can get back to normality? The same professionals that get their funding from government and or big pharmaceutical companies? The list is endless…No I don’t trust them; I don’t trust them at all. | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"f do I trust the medical professionals ? The same professionals that want to vaccinate 5 year old children who are at zero risk? The same professionals that told us just 2 jabs and we can get back to normality? The same professionals that get their funding from government and or big pharmaceutical companies? The list is endless…No I don’t trust them; I don’t trust them at all." Who side the 5year old are zero risk? Would it be the medical professionals you speak of… …two ears, one mouth? Now I wonder why | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"f do I trust the medical professionals ? The same professionals that want to vaccinate 5 year old children who are at zero risk? The same professionals that told us just 2 jabs and we can get back to normality? The same professionals that get their funding from government and or big pharmaceutical companies? The list is endless…No I don’t trust them; I don’t trust them at all." Now? If you are clued you, at all, which seems doubtful. Maybe, just maybe you’ve heard of the cell mutations. I mean? It’s why the boosters are there, shall we blame politics for science? You’re clearly uneducated in the topic you mock. Bravo | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?" I’m saying I don’t trust the experts I’m just how can people know the side effects that could come 5-10 years time it’s impossible to say. For you to say it it’s less likely to catch it and less likely to pass it on is 100% not true. I’m am yes some guy on the internet but this guy looks at government websites, the vaccine producers websites and does my research on it. Can you say you have done that? If you had you wouldn’t be saying that to me. The vaccine only can make symptoms milder Hi bud, I just thought I would confirm that the longest ever trial for ANY vaccine currently being used for ANY condition was 2 years. There is simply no long term studies of the length of time you mention (5-10 years). The papers that get published and look at whether ANY vaccine (any medication, for that matter) seems to be linked to long term side effects, are independent fellows’ studies/research carried out once that real-life data is available. The way risks are assessed, for any new treatment/medication/vaccine, is a combination of short term trials and existing knowledge from other treatments/medications/vaccines from the same active ingredient’s family or technology/mode of action. As so far you saying that “you don’t trust the experts”, where do I start? Ok, let’s just try this one. You know “that guy from the internet”? By virtue of the research he claims to have done, reading all the medical papers and all the peer reviewed studies, as well as the government website (whatever that website might help educate in medical matters, I don’t know?), it could be argued that he is a self-proclaimed expert. In fact, it is because you have come to see him as an expert that you actually take any notice of what he says, right? So, the question I would put to you is this: how can you accept the views and conclusions from “this guy from the internet”, who has less than 2 years (at best) “experience” reading about this subject but then reject the views and conclusions from dozens of other professionals with decades of experience and knowledge in human health, some of them actually specialists in the field of virology and pandemic prevention/response? Bud, I’m all for critical questioning but it seems like people are too willing to let their confirmation bias drive all their arguments and sources of information. Keep an open mind, please "Well said | |||
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"For you to say it it’s less likely to catch it and less likely to pass it on is 100% not true." It is true. 30 seconds on Google would have told you that. | |||
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"I would never, EVER advise anyone to get vaccinated (or take any drug) for the simple reason that if they were hesitant and I pushed them, then something bad happened (adverse reactions and deaths have happened, we all agree), I would never forgive myself. I often think this about those who are so vocal to others, what would you do if something awful happened to that person? I’ve made my own choice and that’s all I can influence. I’ll also answer about why I’ve made that choice. Never would I try to talk someone else into it." I think this is the psychology of fear at play here. I suspect we'd blame ourselves more for someone having a reaction to the vaccine, than if we didn't push, and if they died of Covid. | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"f do I trust the medical professionals ? The same professionals that want to vaccinate 5 year old children who are at zero risk? The same professionals that told us just 2 jabs and we can get back to normality? The same professionals that get their funding from government and or big pharmaceutical companies? The list is endless…No I don’t trust them; I don’t trust them at all. Now? If you are clued you, at all, which seems doubtful. Maybe, just maybe you’ve heard of the cell mutations. I mean? It’s why the boosters are there, shall we blame politics for science? You’re clearly uneducated in the topic you mock. Bravo " there is absolutely zero reasons for jabbing 5 year olds ; absolutely zilch. And anyone who thinks that these poor innocent children are some kind of threat to others would want their heads checked. | |||
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"I would never, EVER advise anyone to get vaccinated (or take any drug) for the simple reason that if they were hesitant and I pushed them, then something bad happened (adverse reactions and deaths have happened, we all agree), I would never forgive myself. I often think this about those who are so vocal to others, what would you do if something awful happened to that person? I’ve made my own choice and that’s all I can influence. I’ll also answer about why I’ve made that choice. Never would I try to talk someone else into it. I think this is the psychology of fear at play here. I suspect we'd blame ourselves more for someone having a reaction to the vaccine, than if we didn't push, and if they died of Covid. " It's the classic 'Trolley Car Problem'. Less damage will occur if you act, but that damage is your fault. If you don't act, more damage will occur, but it doesn't feel like your responsibility. I see choosing not to act as just as much the active decision as choosing to act. | |||
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"I would never, EVER advise anyone to get vaccinated (or take any drug) for the simple reason that if they were hesitant and I pushed them, then something bad happened (adverse reactions and deaths have happened, we all agree), I would never forgive myself. I often think this about those who are so vocal to others, what would you do if something awful happened to that person? I’ve made my own choice and that’s all I can influence. I’ll also answer about why I’ve made that choice. Never would I try to talk someone else into it. I think this is the psychology of fear at play here. I suspect we'd blame ourselves more for someone having a reaction to the vaccine, than if we didn't push, and if they died of Covid. It's the classic 'Trolley Car Problem'. Less damage will occur if you act, but that damage is your fault. If you don't act, more damage will occur, but it doesn't feel like your responsibility. I see choosing not to act as just as much the active decision as choosing to act." I’m not about to start telling others what they should or shouldn’t do with their own bodies. We discuss our own personal choices and our reasoning but not pushing each other or trying to change each other’s minds. That how my group of friends are anyway | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"" Nicely put. This kind of question really is getting very old though. I suspect if someone isn't convinced by now it's mainly because they don't want to be. | |||
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"The vaccines have nothing to do with the "medical community" and everything to do with Big Pharma in particular Pfizer, Bill gates and Tony Faucci . They have 100% control of the covid narrative. If you hear something five times 99% of people will remember it and believe It. People on here are repeating the same info that big pharma is pushing out to convince people to take their vaccine. At the same time they are actively covering up both other effective covid treatments..invermectin, hydroxychlioquine ,vitamin D, zinc and vaccine hiding the data on vaccine side effects including most disturbing growing evidence of heart problems. Particularly in children. The aim is to sell their vaccine ,make huge profits and influence govt. Never forget that.... " fourth time I've read this ... One more and it's a belief ! | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. No not at all I’m all for tried and tested medication and vaccines. Clearly you aren’t educated at all in this subject. If you were u would see big pharma is in the business of us not being 100% for and healthy people. They are the most successful business ever to be on this planet. Please watch that documentary the pharmacist. Also a documentary on the subject my Michael Myers. You tell me after watching even of one of them that you trust without research what is given to you " Are you actually telling someone else they clearly aren't very educated  oh the irony | |||
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"Many medical and pharmaceutical professionals who speak out against the orthodoxy are being silenced by social media companies. The intelligent response can only be: why?" my response is whom, and which claims? | |||
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"Many medical and pharmaceutical professionals who speak out against the orthodoxy are being silenced by social media companies. The intelligent response can only be: why?my response is whom, and which claims? " The BMJ had a covid post flagged on its facebook page as misinformation and a warning placed on it by face books fact checker service which is fact a third party contractors employees opinion and not actually fact. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? " I think you need to research what vaccines do, how they work and their purpose. Then look at the research, resources and funding that normally go into creating a vaccine and compare it to what went into the covid vaccines. Winston | |||
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"Many medical and pharmaceutical professionals who speak out against the orthodoxy are being silenced by social media companies. The intelligent response can only be: why?my response is whom, and which claims? The BMJ had a covid post flagged on its facebook page as misinformation and a warning placed on it by face books fact checker service which is fact a third party contractors employees opinion and not actually fact. " tbf that was dumb on their part. I probably wouldn't class it as silenced if it was one post with a fact check warning ... Bit nevertheless shows a huge shortcoming in how FB seek to deal with preventing false narratives... But there will always be false positives... | |||
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"I’m just how can people know the side effects that could come 5-10 years time it’s impossible to say." That's true. I was very sceptical at first. New drugs take 10 or so years to make. Once I was told that is because it takes pharma companies that long to work in secrecy and then find many 1000s of volunteers to test it. With the covid vaccines, the pharma companies worked together and the volunteers flooded in. | |||
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"Many medical and pharmaceutical professionals who speak out against the orthodoxy are being silenced by social media companies. The intelligent response can only be: why?my response is whom, and which claims? The BMJ had a covid post flagged on its facebook page as misinformation and a warning placed on it by face books fact checker service which is fact a third party contractors employees opinion and not actually fact. tbf that was dumb on their part. I probably wouldn't class it as silenced if it was one post with a fact check warning ... Bit nevertheless shows a huge shortcoming in how FB seek to deal with preventing false narratives... But there will always be false positives... " It is not fact checked, it is a third party contractors employees opinion(s) face book have stated this in defence in a litigation hearing recently. | |||
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"How come South Africa have less than 20% of vaccine uptake on only the vulnerable people and they basically don't have covid anymore? Here everyone has 2 shots and more than 30% 3 shoots and the pandemic is in the worst moment here.. So. How come this happen if the jab is so magical " 18,847 new cases yesterday is 'not having covid anymore'? They're doing better than the UK (population density prob helps a lot) but then we're doing terribly in terms of cases. Can't imagine why with so many expert epidemiologists knocking about on these forums. | |||
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"I would never, EVER advise anyone to get vaccinated (or take any drug) for the simple reason that if they were hesitant and I pushed them, then something bad happened (adverse reactions and deaths have happened, we all agree), I would never forgive myself. I often think this about those who are so vocal to others, what would you do if something awful happened to that person? I’ve made my own choice and that’s all I can influence. I’ll also answer about why I’ve made that choice. Never would I try to talk someone else into it." Thank god I have saw this. It’s freedom of choice in anything we do in live. I’m willing not to take the vaccine and get worse symptoms. That is my choice and it is my body which I choose to do as I please. A lot of you may or may not eat hugely unhealthy and that costs the NHS millions but I would never ever say stop the way u live ur life!! | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. " If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston | |||
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"How come South Africa have less than 20% of vaccine uptake on only the vulnerable people and they basically don't have covid anymore? Here everyone has 2 shots and more than 30% 3 shoots and the pandemic is in the worst moment here.. So. How come this happen if the jab is so magical " How can we make serious comparisons between two completely different countries, one of which is enjoying midsummer while the other is wallowing in the depths of midwinter? | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? " Your not an anti vaxxor but !!!! | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. " Infections are not deaths or seriously ill | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. Infections are not deaths or seriously ill "They can be… all depends on your immune system. Sepsis is a blood infection and can kill | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. Infections are not deaths or seriously ill
They can be… all depends on your immune system. Sepsis is a blood infection and can kill "Well exactly that’s why I’ve stayed at home by my self. As been in contact with somebody who has it. Done flow tests Nd waiting on my PCR results. So for people to think maybe I’m a conspiracy theaorist. | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston" Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view?" Good old Winston is pro vax. He has not been able to show any empathy or understanding for others points of view if they are not the same. He is not alone on here. | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? Good old Winston is pro vax. He has not been able to show any empathy or understanding for others points of view if they are not the same. He is not alone on here." Depends entirely what other people POV is. If it's based on utter bollocks, yup, no empathy. As I've suggested consistently, a little research into vaccines would go a long way. It's not like vaccines are a new phenomenon and there's no reputable information out there. *shrugs. Winston | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view?" Youre assuming I haven't..... Assumptions, the mother of all FUBARs. Winston | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"" are you seriouse who do u think made this covid in first place in a lab somewhere | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? Good old Winston is pro vax. He has not been able to show any empathy or understanding for others points of view if they are not the same. He is not alone on here. Depends entirely what other people POV is. If it's based on utter bollocks, yup, no empathy. As I've suggested consistently, a little research into vaccines would go a long way. It's not like vaccines are a new phenomenon and there's no reputable information out there. *shrugs. Winston" Maybe a little research by you would help you know what is true and what is bollocks? And what may be deserving of acceptance as, maybe, something deserving of respect? | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? Good old Winston is pro vax. He has not been able to show any empathy or understanding for others points of view if they are not the same. He is not alone on here. Depends entirely what other people POV is. If it's based on utter bollocks, yup, no empathy. As I've suggested consistently, a little research into vaccines would go a long way. It's not like vaccines are a new phenomenon and there's no reputable information out there. *shrugs. Winston Maybe a little research by you would help you know what is true and what is bollocks? And what may be deserving of acceptance as, maybe, something deserving of respect?" Which is exactly why my position is where it is. Research. Respect goes two ways. You'll notice I don't post aggressive responses to views that are different to mine, nor do I abuse or insult them. As I've said many times within this and other threads, I've carried out research into all views. And made my choice. Not really any other way to say it more clearly. Winston | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? Good old Winston is pro vax. He has not been able to show any empathy or understanding for others points of view if they are not the same. He is not alone on here. Depends entirely what other people POV is. If it's based on utter bollocks, yup, no empathy. As I've suggested consistently, a little research into vaccines would go a long way. It's not like vaccines are a new phenomenon and there's no reputable information out there. *shrugs. Winston Maybe a little research by you would help you know what is true and what is bollocks? And what may be deserving of acceptance as, maybe, something deserving of respect? Which is exactly why my position is where it is. Research. Respect goes two ways. You'll notice I don't post aggressive responses to views that are different to mine, nor do I abuse or insult them. As I've said many times within this and other threads, I've carried out research into all views. And made my choice. Not really any other way to say it more clearly. Winston " I agree that is how it should be done. So many on here don't do it that way...and those people come across, ironically maybe, as boorish and ill-informed | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? Youre assuming I haven't..... Assumptions, the mother of all FUBARs. Winston" whos Winston ? | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? Youre assuming I haven't..... Assumptions, the mother of all FUBARs. Winston whos Winston ?" Is that a serious question? Winston | |||
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"Does anyone know the ten year effects of catching Covid? As that's the flip side of this coin. " No, but no one has ever known that about any medicine or medical treatment ever approved at the time it’s been approved so if you follow that logic, we’d never have had any of the medicines or vaccines we gave today. And since the body clears the vaccine within weeks after it’s done it’s job of training the immune system, it stands to reason that the risks are going to be highest in the days after you take it. Since billions have now taken it with a tiny percentage of adverse incidents, the risk reward calculation versus the risk of covid is as clear as night follows day. | |||
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"The vaccine do help the az team said that they worked on it constantly eating from vending machines to get it done but apart from that . You will take medicine etc and not ask what's in them if you got covid and in ITU you'd be given a cocktail of drugs to keep you alive and you might have side effects .everyone is different...this virus has turned the world upside down . Its so sad when people don't have the vaccine because of various beliefs and heartbreaking when they catch covid and you have to tell them they can't have the jab cause it's too late when they ask for it some beg for it ....then they die.... if they had had the jab it would of made symptoms more milder... Unless you are unable to for health reasons....get the vaccine simple..." There are stories of people living with cancer taking chemo treatment that is designed to kill human cells, yet refusing to take the vaccine. This is an example of the nonsense going on. | |||
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"No vaccine for any disease has ever stopped you getting or passing on a disease - they just reduce the chance that this happens. That's true for the Covid vaccines, but they also have the advantage of reducing the severity of the disease if you do get it. Few vaccines have ever had the amount of testing that the Covid ones have had by now. The default answer as normal… I know this is all very complicated and confusing, but you have to ask "Do I trust the medical professionals who have dedicated their life to helping people and understanding this stuff, or do I trust some guy of the internet?"" | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally." Yip like the many 100’s of big Pharma drugs that are recalled every year but are never mentioned! Just keep living in your own wee pin cushion bubble & you’ll be safe as a row of house… until there’s a gas explosion that is !! | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Yip like the many 100’s of big Pharma drugs that are recalled every year but are never mentioned! Just keep living in your own wee pin cushion bubble & you’ll be safe as a row of house… until there’s a gas explosion that is !! " If these recalled drugs are never mentioned, how come you know there are hundreds of them? Winston | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Trust away at your GP my GP took me off medication not so long ago because it was causing cardiac arrest in a lot of people… this is one example… but sure you just keeping on believing what ever makes you feel safe and fuzzy I don’t have a problem with that and I’m being genuine when I say that x Yip like the many 100’s of big Pharma drugs that are recalled every year but are never mentioned! Just keep living in your own wee pin cushion bubble & you’ll be safe as a row of house… until there’s a gas explosion that is !! If these recalled drugs are never mentioned, how come you know there are hundreds of them? Winston" | |||
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"Everyones forget that every company diverted resources to get a vaccine As they say many hands make light work and plenty of people to study Had my 3 " The same companies that where driven out of Africa for Genocide against its people and also have paid the biggest pay out in American liable history !! nothing to see here just move along to the next set of victims !! | |||
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"Everyones forget that every company diverted resources to get a vaccine As they say many hands make light work and plenty of people to study Had my 3 The same companies that where driven out of Africa for Genocide against its people and also have paid the biggest pay out in American liable history !! nothing to see here just move along to the next set of victims !! " | |||
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"Does anyone know the ten year effects of catching Covid? As that's the flip side of this coin. " Exactly this. We are seeing the effect of covid a year later on some people and in a lot of cases there is lung damage to some degree. Even people who had very few symptoms are showing scars and damage on chest x-rays. This will impact on their health in later life if it is not already. The number of people with new asthma or copd like symptoms is rising post covid infection. I'll stick with the hope that my vaccines do their job. | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. Infections are not deaths or seriously ill
They can be… all depends on your immune system. Sepsis is a blood infection and can kill "But I was commenting on the fact that the vaccine is preventing deaths not infections | |||
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"I got both vaccines against my better judgment and only so that I could go to events that required a covid passport. 2 months after my second jag I now have covid. I had exactly the same symptoms 2 years ago before covid was even getting mentioned and a month before China went into lockdown. The breathlessness, sore throat, etc all the same. It took me about 2 months to get over it properly as I was still suffering from fatigue and breathlessness. Either the scientists are withholding the truth or they don’t know everything about this virus. The " But did you end up in hospital on a ventilator? | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Yip like the many 100’s of big Pharma drugs that are recalled every year but are never mentioned! Just keep living in your own wee pin cushion bubble & you’ll be safe as a row of house… until there’s a gas explosion that is !! If these recalled drugs are never mentioned, how come you know there are hundreds of them? Winston" His mates mate down the pub who heard it from a bloke on Facebook
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"Take it and shut up. Oh and if you've already taken it....shut up and take the next 37.... it'll be over by the next London Olympics...or maybe Jupiter Olympics. "and remember wear a mask so you don’t kill others unless you can’t in which case it’s ok to go out and kill others | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. No not at all I’m all for tried and tested medication and vaccines. Clearly you aren’t educated at all in this subject. If you were u would see big pharma is in the business of us not being 100% for and healthy people. They are the most successful business ever to be on this planet. Please watch that documentary the pharmacist. Also a documentary on the subject my Michael Myers. You tell me after watching even of one of them that you trust without research what is given to you " You can tell when someone believes anything when they throw insults out as justification to get there "point" across. | |||
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"Take it and shut up. Oh and if you've already taken it....shut up and take the next 37.... it'll be over by the next London Olympics...or maybe Jupiter Olympics. and remember wear a mask so you don’t kill others unless you can’t in which case it’s ok to go out and kill others ". Or maybe vulnerable people could just stay indoors then the vast majority can get on with life and earning a living instead of shutting everything down. | |||
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"Take it and shut up. Oh and if you've already taken it....shut up and take the next 37.... it'll be over by the next London Olympics...or maybe Jupiter Olympics. and remember wear a mask so you don’t kill others unless you can’t in which case it’s ok to go out and kill others . Or maybe vulnerable people could just stay indoors then the vast majority can get on with life and earning a living instead of shutting everything down. "Isn't this the crux of many covid discussions. How much should I bear the costs for the benefit of others. But if we start even thinking about making medical support in some way linked to the individual, then suddenly it's a shared pot. (Using your post to bring out the nature of many discussions. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are consistent across their views). | |||
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"I got both vaccines against my better judgment and only so that I could go to events that required a covid passport. 2 months after my second jag I now have covid. I had exactly the same symptoms 2 years ago before covid was even getting mentioned and a month before China went into lockdown. The breathlessness, sore throat, etc all the same. It took me about 2 months to get over it properly as I was still suffering from fatigue and breathlessness. Either the scientists are withholding the truth or they don’t know everything about this virus. The " Covid-19: Unvaccinated face 11 times risk of death from delta variant, CDC data show (BMJ) https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2282 Is the COVID-19 Vaccine Safe? https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe | |||
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" If you are clued you, at all, which seems doubtful. Maybe, just maybe you’ve heard of the cell mutations. I mean? It’s why the boosters are there, shall we blame politics for science? You’re clearly uneducated in the topic you mock. Bravo " Do you consider yourself educated on the topic, or just that you read what other people who are educated post? What is considered an educated opinion these days, someone who has spent years working in a particular field, or someone who uses information to prove their own point? | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? " I have posed the same question to those unwilling to get the vaccination. Why should we ignore all the advice, and typical responses to disease management, and simply refuse to get vaccinated and have boosters? | |||
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" If you are clued you, at all, which seems doubtful. Maybe, just maybe you’ve heard of the cell mutations. I mean? It’s why the boosters are there, shall we blame politics for science? You’re clearly uneducated in the topic you mock. Bravo Do you consider yourself educated on the topic, or just that you read what other people who are educated post? What is considered an educated opinion these days, someone who has spent years working in a particular field, or someone who uses information to prove their own point?" An educated opinion is one which incorporates all the doubts and unanswered questions about coronavirus and it's variety of treatments | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? I have posed the same question to those unwilling to get the vaccination. Why should we ignore all the advice, and typical responses to disease management, and simply refuse to get vaccinated and have boosters?" Because the typical responses to disease management have been totally ignored. | |||
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" If you are clued you, at all, which seems doubtful. Maybe, just maybe you’ve heard of the cell mutations. I mean? It’s why the boosters are there, shall we blame politics for science? You’re clearly uneducated in the topic you mock. Bravo Do you consider yourself educated on the topic, or just that you read what other people who are educated post? What is considered an educated opinion these days, someone who has spent years working in a particular field, or someone who uses information to prove their own point? An educated opinion is one which incorporates all the doubts and unanswered questions about coronavirus and it's variety of treatments" This | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? I have posed the same question to those unwilling to get the vaccination. Why should we ignore all the advice, and typical responses to disease management, and simply refuse to get vaccinated and have boosters? Because the typical responses to disease management have been totally ignored." And this.... | |||
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"I would never, EVER advise anyone to get vaccinated (or take any drug) for the simple reason that if they were hesitant and I pushed them, then something bad happened (adverse reactions and deaths have happened, we all agree), I would never forgive myself. I often think this about those who are so vocal to others, what would you do if something awful happened to that person? I’ve made my own choice and that’s all I can influence. I’ll also answer about why I’ve made that choice. Never would I try to talk someone else into it. Thank god I have saw this. It’s freedom of choice in anything we do in live. I’m willing not to take the vaccine and get worse symptoms. That is my choice and it is my body which I choose to do as I please. A lot of you may or may not eat hugely unhealthy and that costs the NHS millions but I would never ever say stop the way u live ur life!! " As a taxpayer I should have the choice then but to pay for your treatment if you get seriously ill with Covid - and the same before anyone says it with smokers, drug users etc. | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean " Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? " Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. " Please expand on what you say about ivermectin | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectin" how many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ... | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. " Untrue. £12.58 for vaccine administration. An additional £10 for home visits. Requires significant administration and organisation to administer. No profit. https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/vaccines/covid-19-vaccination-programme | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? " The records must be reviewed to redact “confidential business and trade secret information of Pfizer or BioNTech and personal privacy information of patients who participated in clinical trials,” The FDA proposes releasing 500 pages per month on a rolling basis, noting that the branch that would handle the review has only 10 employees and is currently processing about 400 other FOIA requests. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/ | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectinhow many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ..." The BBC said they were 'debunking' ivermectin. They said there were 'questions' around 9 out of 27 studies. Those questions were technical such as were they double blind tests. They used that to pretend that they had 'debunked' ivermectin. They made no reference to the other 18 studies that couldn't be faulted. This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. " I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectinhow many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ... The BBC said they were 'debunking' ivermectin. They said there were 'questions' around 9 out of 27 studies. Those questions were technical such as were they double blind tests. They used that to pretend that they had 'debunked' ivermectin. They made no reference to the other 18 studies that couldn't be faulted. This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable" Just relooking at the article based on analysis by doctors They claim a third showed signs of serious fraud. This included evidence of non random selection of test groups and the same patient data being used for multipe people. Hardly technicalities. Also included percentages being calculated incorrectly. That feels fundamental. Article www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809.amp Quite from the author "Every randomised trial that found a statistically significant benefit for survival was fake or did not actually happen as described." | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston " How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectinhow many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ... The BBC said they were 'debunking' ivermectin. They said there were 'questions' around 9 out of 27 studies. Those questions were technical such as were they double blind tests. They used that to pretend that they had 'debunked' ivermectin. They made no reference to the other 18 studies that couldn't be faulted. This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable Just relooking at the article based on analysis by doctors They claim a third showed signs of serious fraud. This included evidence of non random selection of test groups and the same patient data being used for multipe people. Hardly technicalities. Also included percentages being calculated incorrectly. That feels fundamental. Article www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809.amp Quite from the author "Every randomised trial that found a statistically significant benefit for survival was fake or did not actually happen as described." " That article has been itself debunked many times. Indeed it quotes as the basis of the article itself a paper by someone who, when researched, turns out to be a student. | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectinhow many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ... The BBC said they were 'debunking' ivermectin. They said there were 'questions' around 9 out of 27 studies. Those questions were technical such as were they double blind tests. They used that to pretend that they had 'debunked' ivermectin. They made no reference to the other 18 studies that couldn't be faulted. This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable" An anti semetic watchdog has given the BBC third place in the world behind Iran and hammas for anti semetic reporting. | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectinhow many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ... The BBC said they were 'debunking' ivermectin. They said there were 'questions' around 9 out of 27 studies. Those questions were technical such as were they double blind tests. They used that to pretend that they had 'debunked' ivermectin. They made no reference to the other 18 studies that couldn't be faulted. This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable Just relooking at the article based on analysis by doctors They claim a third showed signs of serious fraud. This included evidence of non random selection of test groups and the same patient data being used for multipe people. Hardly technicalities. Also included percentages being calculated incorrectly. That feels fundamental. Article www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809.amp Quite from the author "Every randomised trial that found a statistically significant benefit for survival was fake or did not actually happen as described." That article has been itself debunked many times. Indeed it quotes as the basis of the article itself a paper by someone who, when researched, turns out to be a student." can you link to the debunk articles ? The analysis was done by five people. Of which one was a student. Although does that mean his conclusions are wrong ? Again, interested to see the debunking if the debunking ! | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectinhow many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ... The BBC said they were 'debunking' ivermectin. They said there were 'questions' around 9 out of 27 studies. Those questions were technical such as were they double blind tests. They used that to pretend that they had 'debunked' ivermectin. They made no reference to the other 18 studies that couldn't be faulted. This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable Just relooking at the article based on analysis by doctors They claim a third showed signs of serious fraud. This included evidence of non random selection of test groups and the same patient data being used for multipe people. Hardly technicalities. Also included percentages being calculated incorrectly. That feels fundamental. Article www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809.amp Quite from the author "Every randomised trial that found a statistically significant benefit for survival was fake or did not actually happen as described." That article has been itself debunked many times. Indeed it quotes as the basis of the article itself a paper by someone who, when researched, turns out to be a student.can you link to the debunk articles ? The analysis was done by five people. Of which one was a student. Although does that mean his conclusions are wrong ? Again, interested to see the debunking if the debunking ! " These guys fell silent about the other 17 studies. Neither have they addressed the Japanese experience. Or that in Africa. Or in India where the states that used Ivermectin had far better records than the states that relied on vaccines. Use a reputable search engine | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectinhow many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ... The BBC said they were 'debunking' ivermectin. They said there were 'questions' around 9 out of 27 studies. Those questions were technical such as were they double blind tests. They used that to pretend that they had 'debunked' ivermectin. They made no reference to the other 18 studies that couldn't be faulted. This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable Just relooking at the article based on analysis by doctors They claim a third showed signs of serious fraud. This included evidence of non random selection of test groups and the same patient data being used for multipe people. Hardly technicalities. Also included percentages being calculated incorrectly. That feels fundamental. Article www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809.amp Quite from the author "Every randomised trial that found a statistically significant benefit for survival was fake or did not actually happen as described." That article has been itself debunked many times. Indeed it quotes as the basis of the article itself a paper by someone who, when researched, turns out to be a student.can you link to the debunk articles ? The analysis was done by five people. Of which one was a student. Although does that mean his conclusions are wrong ? Again, interested to see the debunking if the debunking ! These guys fell silent about the other 17 studies. Neither have they addressed the Japanese experience. Or that in Africa. Or in India where the states that used Ivermectin had far better records than the states that relied on vaccines. Use a reputable search engine" From what I can see, they had 5 which may have beeb faked. 5 which had red flags such as percentages calculated incorrectly 14 who didn't send data back to be peer reviewed. So not silent. But you can't critique data if you can't see the data. Can you link to the articles? Or give paper titles ? ihave found an India one that had a small sample. But don't think that's the one you mean. And a letter from Japan that says they disagree with the conclusions of a meta analysis. | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year" I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston" Are you querying the existence of monetary payments to GP practices or simply the amount paid? | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston Are you querying the existence of monetary payments to GP practices or simply the amount paid?" £12.58 for vaccine administration. An additional £10 for home visits. Requires significant administration and organisation to administer. No profit. https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/vaccines/covid-19-vaccination-programme | |||
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"Currently tested positive. I'm young, fit, no medical conditions and and triple vaxxed. I workout often, and I am currently in a bad state. I'll be fine, but I wonder how bad I'd be if I hadn't got the vaccines. It's about protecting yourself and others around you. I do disagree with the government's handling of it, but seeing some of the ways people have made this bizzare narrative that it's this and that frustrates me. I'm not talking about you OP but you know the kind I mean Pfizer, the company you trust to produce your beloved vaccine, who are not releasing trial data for 55 years can't be trusted. But a lot of you are happy to take the vaccine to have a little freedom and then have the goalposts moved again.....every time its 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But I'm glad you have so much faith in them and their vaccine, even though they have had the government sign to agree NO LIABILITY. The same company that had a massive lawsuit for Fraud.. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history (For falsifying data and bribing doctors) Remember Thalidomide? It was used for 4 years on pregnant women before being withdrawn. A lot of you have had 3 shots in less than a year from a company with no liability. Are you happy with that? Or are you happy to just follow the crowd for a shot that is now only lasting 8 weeks before starting to wear off, just so you can have what you think is a little freedom? Pfizer are saying it will take 55 years to go through all the docs and redact and have said they will do a number of pages each month or something. Not with hold everything until then. Thalidomide shows the risk of using drugs on ways it was not tested for. And why the likes of yellow flags are hugely important. Ironically the closest we have to this ATM is the invermectin crowd. There are reasons to be sceptical. It's at the heart of science. Unfortunately half truths help no one. Please expand on what you say about ivermectinhow many credible studies are there on invermectin and covid? Yet it's promoted above the vaccines by some ... The BBC said they were 'debunking' ivermectin. They said there were 'questions' around 9 out of 27 studies. Those questions were technical such as were they double blind tests. They used that to pretend that they had 'debunked' ivermectin. They made no reference to the other 18 studies that couldn't be faulted. This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable Just relooking at the article based on analysis by doctors They claim a third showed signs of serious fraud. This included evidence of non random selection of test groups and the same patient data being used for multipe people. Hardly technicalities. Also included percentages being calculated incorrectly. That feels fundamental. Article www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809.amp Quite from the author "Every randomised trial that found a statistically significant benefit for survival was fake or did not actually happen as described." That article has been itself debunked many times. Indeed it quotes as the basis of the article itself a paper by someone who, when researched, turns out to be a student.can you link to the debunk articles ? The analysis was done by five people. Of which one was a student. Although does that mean his conclusions are wrong ? Again, interested to see the debunking if the debunking ! These guys fell silent about the other 17 studies. Neither have they addressed the Japanese experience. Or that in Africa. Or in India where the states that used Ivermectin had far better records than the states that relied on vaccines. Use a reputable search engine" Current evidence unreliable but double blind trials on-going. Flawed ivermectin preprint highlights challenges of COVID drug studies 'The paper’s irregularities came to light when Jack Lawrence, a master’s student at the University of London, was reading it for a class assignment and noticed that some phrases were identical to those in other published work. When he contacted researchers who specialize in detecting fraud in scientific publications, the group found other causes for concern, including dozens of patient records that seemed to be duplicates, inconsistencies between the raw data and the information in the paper, patients whose records indicate they died before the study’s start date, and numbers that seemed to be too consistent to have occurred by chance.' https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w Ivermectin to be investigated as a possible treatment for COVID-19 in Oxford’s PRINCIPLE trial https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-23-ivermectin-be-investigated-possible-treatment-covid-19-oxford-s-principle-trial | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston Are you querying the existence of monetary payments to GP practices or simply the amount paid?" Read up. Easy has answered this with direct links twice already. Winston | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. No not at all I’m all for tried and tested medication and vaccines. Clearly you aren’t educated at all in this subject. If you were u would see big pharma is in the business of us not being 100% for and healthy people. They are the most successful business ever to be on this planet. Please watch that documentary the pharmacist. Also a documentary on the subject my Michael Myers. You tell me after watching even of one of them that you trust without research what is given to you " Michael Myers? Was this documentary released on Halloween? | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? Youre assuming I haven't..... Assumptions, the mother of all FUBARs. Winston whos Winston ? Is that a serious question? Winston" yes; who is he? He seems to pop up everywhere | |||
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"Seriously people need to really look at figures that are staring them in the face. We are currently a highly vaccinated country. But we now currently have the most infected people we have ever had since when covid was released to the public. If the majority of the population are fully vaccinated it's kind of obvious the majority of the cases will be in those who are vaccinated, is it not? As I suggested above, a little more research into vaccines needed. Winston Maybe you could look at a little bit more research into other points of view? Youre assuming I haven't..... Assumptions, the mother of all FUBARs. Winston whos Winston ? Is that a serious question? Winston yes; who is he? He seems to pop up everywhere " Seems like an odd question. Winston | |||
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" This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable An anti semetic watchdog has given the BBC third place in the world behind Iran and hammas for anti semetic reporting. " Was that the one funded by the Labour Party? | |||
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" This is the poor quality of the 'journalism' that the BBC now produces. Laughable An anti semetic watchdog has given the BBC third place in the world behind Iran and hammas for anti semetic reporting. Was that the one funded by the Labour Party?" Unfortunately no, it was funded and submitted by the simon wiesenthal center. But that is their opinion and may be biased, but that is modern journalism, open source biased opinion pieces. | |||
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" Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy " There is a big difference between the scientists who create Vaccines (and other medicines), and the huge corporate juggernauts that seek to make as much money as possible out of their employees creations. There is ZERO doubt that the scientists are only concerned with getting the science bit right and producing safe, effective medicines. The corporate people on the other hand don't care about the people other than they need them to stay alive... corpses don't pay their bills. Cal | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston Are you querying the existence of monetary payments to GP practices or simply the amount paid? Read up. Easy has answered this with direct links twice already. Winston" So, are you querying whether such payments are made? You stated (above) that 'the £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs website. Curious' So what are you trying to suggest? | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston Are you querying the existence of monetary payments to GP practices or simply the amount paid? Read up. Easy has answered this with direct links twice already. Winston So, are you querying whether such payments are made? You stated (above) that 'the £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs website. Curious' So what are you trying to suggest?" I'm not querying anything. I'm pointing to where the correct information can be found. Not seeing how or where you think I'm querying the charges. Winston | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston Are you querying the existence of monetary payments to GP practices or simply the amount paid? Read up. Easy has answered this with direct links twice already. Winston So, are you querying whether such payments are made? You stated (above) that 'the £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs website. Curious' So what are you trying to suggest?" The fees paid to GP's surgeries are a compensation for the time & resources that are used to provide a vaccination service. There are several people involved in the roll out of the vaccines, all of whom will require paying. There will also be associated costs for managing bookings, sending Text Messages, processing the records etc... It's hardly a big money making scheme for GPs really. Cal | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? " Because the nhs knows if you are vaccinated you can still pass it on .but very unlikley that if vaccinated they will have to possi ly keep you alive for months.taking up time beds and thier resorces to save a life that could have been saved if the person not vaccinated was not a selfish c##t. Do it for society. | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston Are you querying the existence of monetary payments to GP practices or simply the amount paid? Read up. Easy has answered this with direct links twice already. Winston So, are you querying whether such payments are made? You stated (above) that 'the £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs website. Curious' So what are you trying to suggest? I'm not querying anything. I'm pointing to where the correct information can be found. Not seeing how or where you think I'm querying the charges. Winston" whos Winston? | |||
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"Why would anyone have a vaccine from a company that firstly isn't liable legally if you die from it or if there's serious side effects and secondly who refuses to release data on their vaccine until 2075? Why would anyone take a vaccine for a virus with a 99% survival rate and a virus that Boris didn't need a vaccine for but claims you must have yours and if you don't your an idiot, work that one out." They aren't refusing to release the data. They are saying it will take that long to go through all the paperwork and redact it. The first few hundred pages are out already. Im guessing it's not 99pc survival. But if it is, you're willing to the on shorter odds than me. Especially given cases are still on the rise... And Boris hasn't had the vaccine ? Where has that come from ? Even trump has supported it! | |||
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"Please watch a documentary called “the pharmacist” and tell me big pharma wants us healthy So do you refuse any drug produced by big pharma? Or just the ones that "some guy on the internet" told you to avoid? I have much more faith in my GP, personally. Your GP gets paid £44 for each shot he or she talks someone into having. I know lots of people who've been vaccinated. I don't know anyone who was "talked into having the vaccine" by their GP. I also don't know any GPs who are paid £44 a stab. Winston How many GP’s do you know? I only know one and his personal advice is not to have the vaccine but his practice get £30 a go so they’ve been pushing them all year I know dozens of GPS. Both of my sisters and their partners, those I meet at sector/social functions, plus those I've worked with over the last few of years. The £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs own website. Curious. Winston Are you querying the existence of monetary payments to GP practices or simply the amount paid? Read up. Easy has answered this with direct links twice already. Winston So, are you querying whether such payments are made? You stated (above) that 'the £30 charge isn't what's stated on the BMAs website. Curious' So what are you trying to suggest? I'm not querying anything. I'm pointing to where the correct information can be found. Not seeing how or where you think I'm querying the charges. Winston whos Winston?" Are you going to clog this thread up with that same daft question? I appreciate the irony in my replying to this question will also be clogging the thread up.
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"you really dont have to start your post with saying you not an anti vaxxer ..but you do so because most of the population have been brainwashed by the media into thinking that if you choose not to have it ..for whatever reason ..then you are by default , an anti vaxxer .. this is nonsense and a lie ..just like most of what they come out with these days " Brainwashed? I guess people that you know becoming seriously ill and dying is a form of "brainwashing". It is likely to condition them to take the matter seriously. People who catch the illness severely themselves also get "brainwashed" into taking it seriously. Also seeing severe illness and deaths fall after the vaccine rollout across the world does "brainwash" people into seeing the two factors linked. Especially when there is substantial data and evidence to support it. If you actively try to dissuade people from getting vaccinated and raise doubts in other people's minds when there little or know evidence to support it, then you are an anti-vaxer. If you simply choose not to for your own reasons, then you are not. Starting a thread to create doubt in vaccination efficacy is the former. | |||
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"you really dont have to start your post with saying you not an anti vaxxer ..but you do so because most of the population have been brainwashed by the media into thinking that if you choose not to have it ..for whatever reason ..then you are by default , an anti vaxxer .. this is nonsense and a lie ..just like most of what they come out with these days Brainwashed? I guess people that you know becoming seriously ill and dying is a form of "brainwashing". It is likely to condition them to take the matter seriously. People who catch the illness severely themselves also get "brainwashed" into taking it seriously. Also seeing severe illness and deaths fall after the vaccine rollout across the world does "brainwash" people into seeing the two factors linked. Especially when there is substantial data and evidence to support it. If you actively try to dissuade people from getting vaccinated and raise doubts in other people's minds when there little or know evidence to support it, then you are an anti-vaxer. If you simply choose not to for your own reasons, then you are not. Starting a thread to create doubt in vaccination efficacy is the former." but the jabs don’t work and lose efficacy after 10 weeks or so; that’s one of the reasons why Pfizer cut short their safety trials when they realised this fact - and to protect their shareholders interests of course. | |||
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"you really dont have to start your post with saying you not an anti vaxxer ..but you do so because most of the population have been brainwashed by the media into thinking that if you choose not to have it ..for whatever reason ..then you are by default , an anti vaxxer .. this is nonsense and a lie ..just like most of what they come out with these days Brainwashed? I guess people that you know becoming seriously ill and dying is a form of "brainwashing". It is likely to condition them to take the matter seriously. People who catch the illness severely themselves also get "brainwashed" into taking it seriously. Also seeing severe illness and deaths fall after the vaccine rollout across the world does "brainwash" people into seeing the two factors linked. Especially when there is substantial data and evidence to support it. If you actively try to dissuade people from getting vaccinated and raise doubts in other people's minds when there little or know evidence to support it, then you are an anti-vaxer. If you simply choose not to for your own reasons, then you are not. Starting a thread to create doubt in vaccination efficacy is the former.but the jabs don’t work and lose efficacy after 10 weeks or so; that’s one of the reasons why Pfizer cut short their safety trials when they realised this fact - and to protect their shareholders interests of course. " Ah there that woman again miss-information  | |||
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"you really dont have to start your post with saying you not an anti vaxxer ..but you do so because most of the population have been brainwashed by the media into thinking that if you choose not to have it ..for whatever reason ..then you are by default , an anti vaxxer .. this is nonsense and a lie ..just like most of what they come out with these days Brainwashed? I guess people that you know becoming seriously ill and dying is a form of "brainwashing". It is likely to condition them to take the matter seriously. People who catch the illness severely themselves also get "brainwashed" into taking it seriously. Also seeing severe illness and deaths fall after the vaccine rollout across the world does "brainwash" people into seeing the two factors linked. Especially when there is substantial data and evidence to support it. If you actively try to dissuade people from getting vaccinated and raise doubts in other people's minds when there little or know evidence to support it, then you are an anti-vaxer. If you simply choose not to for your own reasons, then you are not. Starting a thread to create doubt in vaccination efficacy is the former. but the jabs don’t work and lose efficacy after 10 weeks or so; that’s one of the reasons why Pfizer cut short their safety trials when they realised this fact - and to protect their shareholders interests of course. " The vaccines, including the booster are clearly working. Even the most tenuous argument against their efficacy is blasted into a million pieces by looking at the case numbers, hospitalisations and ICU occupancy before and after the vaccination roll out. That alone shows the sheer fecund stupidity of the belief. It's the most blind of all arguments and utterly ridiculous in its mere foundation. Winston | |||
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"you really dont have to start your post with saying you not an anti vaxxer ..but you do so because most of the population have been brainwashed by the media into thinking that if you choose not to have it ..for whatever reason ..then you are by default , an anti vaxxer .. this is nonsense and a lie ..just like most of what they come out with these days Brainwashed? I guess people that you know becoming seriously ill and dying is a form of "brainwashing". It is likely to condition them to take the matter seriously. People who catch the illness severely themselves also get "brainwashed" into taking it seriously. Also seeing severe illness and deaths fall after the vaccine rollout across the world does "brainwash" people into seeing the two factors linked. Especially when there is substantial data and evidence to support it. If you actively try to dissuade people from getting vaccinated and raise doubts in other people's minds when there little or know evidence to support it, then you are an anti-vaxer. If you simply choose not to for your own reasons, then you are not. Starting a thread to create doubt in vaccination efficacy is the former.but the jabs don’t work and lose efficacy after 10 weeks or so; that’s one of the reasons why Pfizer cut short their safety trials when they realised this fact - and to protect their shareholders interests of course. " Wow that's why Pfizer shares plummeted then  | |||
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"you really dont have to start your post with saying you not an anti vaxxer ..but you do so because most of the population have been brainwashed by the media into thinking that if you choose not to have it ..for whatever reason ..then you are by default , an anti vaxxer .. this is nonsense and a lie ..just like most of what they come out with these days Brainwashed? I guess people that you know becoming seriously ill and dying is a form of "brainwashing". It is likely to condition them to take the matter seriously. People who catch the illness severely themselves also get "brainwashed" into taking it seriously. Also seeing severe illness and deaths fall after the vaccine rollout across the world does "brainwash" people into seeing the two factors linked. Especially when there is substantial data and evidence to support it. If you actively try to dissuade people from getting vaccinated and raise doubts in other people's minds when there little or know evidence to support it, then you are an anti-vaxer. If you simply choose not to for your own reasons, then you are not. Starting a thread to create doubt in vaccination efficacy is the former.but the jabs don’t work and lose efficacy after 10 weeks or so; that’s one of the reasons why Pfizer cut short their safety trials when they realised this fact - and to protect their shareholders interests of course. " This is not true in any way. You are lying. However, do provide information to back this up that is not a YouTube clip or a random blog or chatroom text and there is the possibility of a discussion. I'm sure that if you cannot find any you will be unable to acknowledge it though. | |||
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"you really dont have to start your post with saying you not an anti vaxxer ..but you do so because most of the population have been brainwashed by the media into thinking that if you choose not to have it ..for whatever reason ..then you are by default , an anti vaxxer .. this is nonsense and a lie ..just like most of what they come out with these days Brainwashed? I guess people that you know becoming seriously ill and dying is a form of "brainwashing". It is likely to condition them to take the matter seriously. People who catch the illness severely themselves also get "brainwashed" into taking it seriously. Also seeing severe illness and deaths fall after the vaccine rollout across the world does "brainwash" people into seeing the two factors linked. Especially when there is substantial data and evidence to support it. If you actively try to dissuade people from getting vaccinated and raise doubts in other people's minds when there little or know evidence to support it, then you are an anti-vaxer. If you simply choose not to for your own reasons, then you are not. Starting a thread to create doubt in vaccination efficacy is the former.but the jabs don’t work and lose efficacy after 10 weeks or so; that’s one of the reasons why Pfizer cut short their safety trials when they realised this fact - and to protect their shareholders interests of course. This is not true in any way. You are lying. However, do provide information to back this up that is not a YouTube clip or a random blog or chatroom text and there is the possibility of a discussion. I'm sure that if you cannot find any you will be unable to acknowledge it though." I thought the trials were stopped because it was preventing those on the placebo from going abroad etc. The waning efficacy and stopping teh trial feels like a non sequitur. Fairly sure you don't need a control group for that. | |||
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"you really dont have to start your post with saying you not an anti vaxxer ..but you do so because most of the population have been brainwashed by the media into thinking that if you choose not to have it ..for whatever reason ..then you are by default , an anti vaxxer .. this is nonsense and a lie ..just like most of what they come out with these days Brainwashed? I guess people that you know becoming seriously ill and dying is a form of "brainwashing". It is likely to condition them to take the matter seriously. People who catch the illness severely themselves also get "brainwashed" into taking it seriously. Also seeing severe illness and deaths fall after the vaccine rollout across the world does "brainwash" people into seeing the two factors linked. Especially when there is substantial data and evidence to support it. If you actively try to dissuade people from getting vaccinated and raise doubts in other people's minds when there little or know evidence to support it, then you are an anti-vaxer. If you simply choose not to for your own reasons, then you are not. Starting a thread to create doubt in vaccination efficacy is the former.but the jabs don’t work and lose efficacy after 10 weeks or so; that’s one of the reasons why Pfizer cut short their safety trials when they realised this fact - and to protect their shareholders interests of course. This is not true in any way. You are lying. However, do provide information to back this up that is not a YouTube clip or a random blog or chatroom text and there is the possibility of a discussion. I'm sure that if you cannot find any you will be unable to acknowledge it though.I thought the trials were stopped because it was preventing those on the placebo from going abroad etc. The waning efficacy and stopping teh trial feels like a non sequitur. Fairly sure you don't need a control group for that. " Covid-19: Trial participants are offered approved vaccines so they can travel abroad https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2474 | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? " Because it dramatically reduces you from serious illness and death. Also reduces transmission. No brainer. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Because it dramatically reduces you from serious illness and death. Also reduces transmission. No brainer." Its great for the vulnerable but i don’t think everyone needs it. Not everyone is at risk of serious illness or death, that risk for most people is incredibly low already and so far its not been that great at reducing transmissions numbers. | |||
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"Its great for the vulnerable but i don’t think everyone needs it. Not everyone is at risk of serious illness or death, that risk for most people is incredibly low already and so far its not been that great at reducing transmissions numbers. " Everyone is at risk. | |||
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"Its great for the vulnerable but i don’t think everyone needs it. Not everyone is at risk of serious illness or death, that risk for most people is incredibly low already and so far its not been that great at reducing transmissions numbers. Everyone is at risk." Yes there is a element of risk to absolutely everything in life. | |||
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"Its great for the vulnerable but i don’t think everyone needs it. Not everyone is at risk of serious illness or death, that risk for most people is incredibly low already and so far its not been that great at reducing transmissions numbers. Everyone is at risk. Yes there is a element of risk to absolutely everything in life." Indeed. As a young to middle-aged person, COVID is probably the one of the highest there is right now. | |||
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"Its great for the vulnerable but i don’t think everyone needs it. Not everyone is at risk of serious illness or death, that risk for most people is incredibly low already and so far its not been that great at reducing transmissions numbers. Everyone is at risk. Yes there is a element of risk to absolutely everything in life. Indeed. As a young to middle-aged person, COVID is probably the one of the highest there is right now." Not even remotely true. | |||
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"My question to all the doubters , anti this and that , what would it take to change your mind? If the answer is nothing would, then everyone should stop trying "I think if im anti anything its the extreme views on either side of the argument like the people that claim that everyone needs to get vaxed and if they don’t they are stupid and selfish and dangerous. Or the people that say if someone is concerned about covid and gets vaxed that they are brainwashed and sheeple. Im just glad the vaccination is a choice and glad people can make that choice based on their own circumstances. | |||
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"My question to all the doubters , anti this and that , what would it take to change your mind? If the answer is nothing would, then everyone should stop trying
I think if im anti anything its the extreme views on either side of the argument like the people that claim that everyone needs to get vaxed and if they don’t they are stupid and selfish and dangerous. Or the people that say if someone is concerned about covid and gets vaxed that they are brainwashed and sheeple.
Im just glad the vaccination is a choice and glad people can make that choice based on their own circumstances. "Oh am with you there. I am so tired of the constant bickering , constant arguments and insults both ways. Nobody changes anyones minds yet they can’t resist trying to one up the other ! | |||
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"It's classed as an experimental drug/drugs You just need to read the media every week telling us what new science findings that have been found out since these drugs have been administered. I ask why any sane person would take these drugs in this situation. Once in it cannot come back... Its not like wearing a seat belt. How many more of these drugs do people want in their bodies? How many people are in hospital because of covid rather than because of another ailment but had covid? Remember there are three types of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics. You can paint any picture you want with stats. You also have to ask the correct questions to get accurate answers. Stay safe all and don't believe everything those in charge tells us... Ask questions and keep asking. " "None of the vaccines currently being offered are classed as an experimental drug/drugs." That's an outright untruth. "You just need to read the media every week telling us what new science findings that have been found out since these drugs have been administered." Yep, great isn't it, the way science works. And thank god for that or we'd be mostly dead before we hit 50, and millions would have died from polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, malaria to name but a few. I'd ask why any sane person wouldn't take these drugs in this situation. Winston | |||
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"It's classed as an experimental drug/drugs You just need to read the media every week telling us what new science findings that have been found out since these drugs have been administered. I ask why any sane person would take these drugs in this situation. Once in it cannot come back... Its not like wearing a seat belt. How many more of these drugs do people want in their bodies? How many people are in hospital because of covid rather than because of another ailment but had covid? Remember there are three types of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics. You can paint any picture you want with stats. You also have to ask the correct questions to get accurate answers. Stay safe all and don't believe everything those in charge tells us... Ask questions and keep asking. " Any sane person would take these vaccines because they signicantly reduce chances of serious illness or death and the chances of passing the disease on to others. All with a very small chance of serious side effects. They are not drugs, they are vaccines which stimulate your bodies own immune response without having to catch the disease. Not understanding the statistics doesn't make them lies just because there is a phrase that says that it does. Making your own decisions based on your understanding is fine, but advocating that people ignore the advice of people who do this as a profession is not so fine. | |||
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"It's classed as an experimental drug/drugs You just need to read the media every week telling us what new science findings that have been found out since these drugs have been administered. I ask why any sane person would take these drugs in this situation. Once in it cannot come back... Its not like wearing a seat belt. How many more of these drugs do people want in their bodies? How many people are in hospital because of covid rather than because of another ailment but had covid? Remember there are three types of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics. You can paint any picture you want with stats. You also have to ask the correct questions to get accurate answers. Stay safe all and don't believe everything those in charge tells us... Ask questions and keep asking. " That’s right keep on spreading conspiracy theories
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"My question to all the doubters , anti this and that , what would it take to change your mind? If the answer is nothing would, then everyone should stop trying
I think if im anti anything its the extreme views on either side of the argument like the people that claim that everyone needs to get vaxed and if they don’t they are stupid and selfish and dangerous. Or the people that say if someone is concerned about covid and gets vaxed that they are brainwashed and sheeple.
Im just glad the vaccination is a choice and glad people can make that choice based on their own circumstances. "Vaccination is a choice? What rock are you living under? Heard of these health care workers threatened to lose their jobs if they don't get vaccinated? They're desperately trying in various countries to "mandate" or force or coerce a "vaccine" on various groups of society with no long term data!!! A vaccine that has a huge amount more adverse events recorded than all vaccines put together ever have on the various reporting systems in place. Heard of vaxx passports whereby those who "choose" not to get jabbed be excluded from participating in societal activities even though they're perfectly healthy individuals and clearly vaccinated spread just like non vaccinated otherwise a country the size of the Republic of Ireland with not quite 5million population and a 92% vaccination rate wouldn't soar with 10x the number of cases as we had this time last year? Heard of peer pressure from family, friends and co-workers? But vaccination is a choice, right? 
It is only a choice if the consequences are "natural" - in other words, you either get vaccinated and don't suffer bad covid or die with it - oh wait, that's still possible...or you don't get vaccinated and take your chances on Covid either way.
A choice with imposed consequences is not a choice. It is an ultimatum, it is manipulation, it is coercion.
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"My question to all the doubters , anti this and that , what would it take to change your mind? If the answer is nothing would, then everyone should stop trying
I think if im anti anything its the extreme views on either side of the argument like the people that claim that everyone needs to get vaxed and if they don’t they are stupid and selfish and dangerous. Or the people that say if someone is concerned about covid and gets vaxed that they are brainwashed and sheeple.
Im just glad the vaccination is a choice and glad people can make that choice based on their own circumstances.
Vaccination is a choice? What rock are you living under?
Heard of these health care workers threatened to lose their jobs if they don't get vaccinated?
They're desperately trying in various countries to "mandate" or force or coerce a "vaccine" on various groups of society with no long term data!!! A vaccine that has a huge amount more adverse events recorded than all vaccines put together ever have on the various reporting systems in place.
Heard of vaxx passports whereby those who "choose" not to get jabbed be excluded from participating in societal activities even though they're perfectly healthy individuals and clearly vaccinated spread just like non vaccinated otherwise a country the size of the Republic of Ireland with not quite 5million population and a 92% vaccination rate wouldn't soar with 10x the number of cases as we had this time last year?
Heard of peer pressure from family, friends and co-workers?
But vaccination is a choice, right?
It is only a choice if the consequences are "natural" - in other words, you either get vaccinated and don't suffer bad covid or die with it - oh wait, that's still possible...or you don't get vaccinated and take your chances on Covid either way.
A choice with imposed consequences is not a choice. It is an ultimatum, it is manipulation, it is coercion.
Some of you might want to look up what it means to be abused. "Yes. To be vaccinated is a choice. You quote the health care workers, presumably you include the NHS in this. Why are you not so vehemently opposed to the other vaccinations they are required to take as a term of their employment? Both of my parents ended their days in care homes. Personally I'd want the staff to offer them the very best health protection available. And if the staff refuse for anything other than medical conditions, I'd rather they didn't offer care to my parents. Choices come with consequences. Why grown ups don't understand this is beyond me. I learnt that before I hit my teens. Winston | |||
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"The latest VAERS data has been published (vaccine injuries) 983,756 Adverse Events 108,572 Hospitalizations 107,860 Urgent Care 12,317 Bell's Palsy 10,429 Heart Attacks 20,560 Myocarditis 34,615 Permanently Disabled 20,622 Deaths 100% Safe And Effective" You know of course, because it's been pointed out to you many times, that data can be entered onto the system by anyone. You could even report your own death. It can be entered by the general public to report absolutely anything and proves absolutely nothing. I'm about to report my bunions, I'm pretty sure they've grown since I had my booster.
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"The latest VAERS data has been published (vaccine injuries) 983,756 Adverse Events 108,572 Hospitalizations 107,860 Urgent Care 12,317 Bell's Palsy 10,429 Heart Attacks 20,560 Myocarditis 34,615 Permanently Disabled 20,622 Deaths 100% Safe And Effective You know of course, because it's been pointed out to you many times, that data can be entered onto the system by anyone. You could even report your own death. It can be entered by the general public to report absolutely anything and proves absolutely nothing. I'm about to report my bunions, I'm pretty sure they've grown since I had my booster.
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"The latest VAERS data has been published (vaccine injuries) 983,756 Adverse Events 108,572 Hospitalizations 107,860 Urgent Care 12,317 Bell's Palsy 10,429 Heart Attacks 20,560 Myocarditis 34,615 Permanently Disabled 20,622 Deaths 100% Safe And Effective" It's amazing how many posts you demonstrate your inability to grasp that correlation doesn't equal causation. | |||
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"The latest VAERS data has been published (vaccine injuries) 983,756 Adverse Events 108,572 Hospitalizations 107,860 Urgent Care 12,317 Bell's Palsy 10,429 Heart Attacks 20,560 Myocarditis 34,615 Permanently Disabled 20,622 Deaths 100% Safe And Effective It's amazing how many posts you demonstrate your inability to grasp that correlation doesn't equal causation. " Every. Single. Time. Winston | |||
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"The latest VAERS data has been published (vaccine injuries) 983,756 Adverse Events 108,572 Hospitalizations 107,860 Urgent Care 12,317 Bell's Palsy 10,429 Heart Attacks 20,560 Myocarditis 34,615 Permanently Disabled 20,622 Deaths 100% Safe And Effective" Let's make this nice and simple. In a given period of time, with no Covid and no vaccinations, a certain number of people will suffer from all of these conditions. Do you know what this normal number would be? If you do not, then you have nothing to compare to. Go away and find out how much better or worse these figures are and you might have something to discuss, otherwise all you are demonstrating is why people who deal with this type of data should be analysing it at not some random guy who doesn't understand what he's looking at. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? " Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. " So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again?" I can’t predict how often we will need boosters. That will depend on a a number of factors, like the emergence of variants. And no, of course the nhs will not abandon all other treatments, not have I seen that as a proposal. My understanding is that once everybody is vaccinated, hospitals can start to catch up on other treatments. In the meantime, people who are not getting vaccinated are delaying that day. | |||
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"The latest VAERS data has been published (vaccine injuries) 983,756 Adverse Events 108,572 Hospitalizations 107,860 Urgent Care 12,317 Bell's Palsy 10,429 Heart Attacks 20,560 Myocarditis 34,615 Permanently Disabled 20,622 Deaths 100% Safe And Effective" If you enjoy numbers can I suggest you check the percentage of people vaccination by country and then plot this against the death rates per million population for each country and see what you observe ? Hint .. Low vaccine rate = high death rate High vaccine rate = lower death rate | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again?" No one is saying that your just making things up | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? No one is saying that your just making things up "There were reports last week that the protection of the jabs wanes after 10 weeks. So to be fully protected, you'd need a booster every 10 weeks. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? I can’t predict how often we will need boosters. That will depend on a a number of factors, like the emergence of variants. And no, of course the nhs will not abandon all other treatments, not have I seen that as a proposal. My understanding is that once everybody is vaccinated, hospitals can start to catch up on other treatments. In the meantime, people who are not getting vaccinated are delaying that day. " Well I can't get a GP appointment currently because they are too busy giving out jabs, likely to last all of January. So yes, someone is saying that. As for not getting vaxxed. I've had both the initial ones and also recently had covid. So if that isn't enough of a booster then we're likely all fucked anyway. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? I can’t predict how often we will need boosters. That will depend on a a number of factors, like the emergence of variants. And no, of course the nhs will not abandon all other treatments, not have I seen that as a proposal. My understanding is that once everybody is vaccinated, hospitals can start to catch up on other treatments. In the meantime, people who are not getting vaccinated are delaying that day. " Hospitals have started to catch up on other treatments. Although some of these have had to be postponed because resources were required for the booster rollout. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? I can’t predict how often we will need boosters. That will depend on a a number of factors, like the emergence of variants. And no, of course the nhs will not abandon all other treatments, not have I seen that as a proposal. My understanding is that once everybody is vaccinated, hospitals can start to catch up on other treatments. In the meantime, people who are not getting vaccinated are delaying that day. Hospitals have started to catch up on other treatments. Although some of these have had to be postponed because resources were required for the booster rollout." ... and once everyone is vaccinated the progress on that catch-up can really build. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? No one is saying that your just making things up There were reports last week that the protection of the jabs wanes after 10 weeks.
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again?" No. The actual speculation was that the ability of the current vaccine to prevent all symptoms MIGHT wain after 10 weeks. That will not stop it from keeping you out of hospital and reducing your chance of dying from Covid. It's the actual words and reports that need to paid attention to, not headlines. | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? No. The actual speculation was that the ability of the current vaccine to prevent all symptoms MIGHT wain after 10 weeks. That will not stop it from keeping you out of hospital and reducing your chance of dying from Covid. It's the actual words and reports that need to paid attention to, not headlines." How do people listen to a news item and hear something totally different to what's actually been said? I find it baffling. Winston | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? No. The actual speculation was that the ability of the current vaccine to prevent all symptoms MIGHT wain after 10 weeks. That will not stop it from keeping you out of hospital and reducing your chance of dying from Covid. It's the actual words and reports that need to paid attention to, not headlines." So, for maximum protection you MIGHT need a booster every 10 weeks. Got it | |||
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? No. The actual speculation was that the ability of the current vaccine to prevent all symptoms MIGHT wain after 10 weeks. That will not stop it from keeping you out of hospital and reducing your chance of dying from Covid. It's the actual words and reports that need to paid attention to, not headlines. How do people listen to a news item and hear something totally different to what's actually been said? I find it baffling. WinstonI read a thread on here actually. I haven't watched the news in about a year. The constant fear porn is depressing. Also, most of my posts in this forum are just to irritate people like yourself. Mission accomplished "I don't find behaviours like this irritating. Laughable, baffling and childlike. But not irritating.
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? No. The actual speculation was that the ability of the current vaccine to prevent all symptoms MIGHT wain after 10 weeks. That will not stop it from keeping you out of hospital and reducing your chance of dying from Covid. It's the actual words and reports that need to paid attention to, not headlines. How do people listen to a news item and hear something totally different to what's actually been said? I find it baffling. WinstonI read a thread on here actually. I haven't watched the news in about a year. The constant fear porn is depressing. Also, most of my posts in this forum are just to irritate people like yourself. Mission accomplished
I don't find behaviours like this irritating.
Laughable, baffling and childlike. But not irritating.
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"Just to start I’m not an anti vaxxer in the slightest I’m all for them when tried and test over the laws of 10 years before rolled out to the public!! anybody who says everyone should be vaccinated knowing that it doesn’t stop you passing on or getting covid give me there reason behind this. As many people have said I should be and not once had an explanation when I ask why? Hi. The vaccines: - reduce the likelihood of you catching the virus - reduce the likelihood of you giving it to others if you get infected - reduce the likely severity of your symptoms if you get infected. ... as long as you keep up to date with your boosters. Glad I could help. Cheers. So a booster every 10 weeks then? Are the NHS just gonna be giving jabs out and not bothering with anything else ever again? No. The actual speculation was that the ability of the current vaccine to prevent all symptoms MIGHT wain after 10 weeks. That will not stop it from keeping you out of hospital and reducing your chance of dying from Covid. It's the actual words and reports that need to paid attention to, not headlines. How do people listen to a news item and hear something totally different to what's actually been said? I find it baffling. WinstonI read a thread on here actually. I haven't watched the news in about a year. The constant fear porn is depressing. Also, most of my posts in this forum are just to irritate people like yourself. Mission accomplished
I don't find behaviours like this irritating.
Laughable, baffling and childlike. But not irritating.
Winston
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