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By *pal OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Bermuda Triangle in Suffolk

If you were/are invited to a friends/ family meal over Christmas would you ask everyone to take an lft test on the day and ask if they had a booster?. Had to cancel one invite as they won't take an lft.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

Testing I agree with but my vaccination status is no one else's business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you were/are invited to a friends/ family meal over Christmas would you ask everyone to take an lft test on the day and ask if they had a booster?. Had to cancel one invite as they won't take an lft. "

No I wouldn’t ask. It’s none of my business. If I’m asking them to mine they’re a good friend or family so I’d imagine they wouldn’t put me at risk by coming if they had symptoms. We need to get on with life and stop obsessing over it. Where does it end if you start policing your family and friends. The worlds gone mad.

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By *pottydog46Man
over a year ago

rainham

If they were perfectly healthy why? If they had a cold or were not feeling right then yes, ask them to test.

What is this obsession with testing perfectly normal healthy people to see if they are sick?

As for asking if they have had their booster, again why? It doesn’t stop them catching or spreading Covid!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you were/are invited to a friends/ family meal over Christmas would you ask everyone to take an lft test on the day and ask if they had a booster?. Had to cancel one invite as they won't take an lft.

No I wouldn’t ask. It’s none of my business. If I’m asking them to mine they’re a good friend or family so I’d imagine they wouldn’t put me at risk by coming if they had symptoms. We need to get on with life and stop obsessing over it. Where does it end if you start policing your family and friends. The worlds gone mad. "

..Totally agree.

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By *ob rodMan
over a year ago

lancaster

I’d just not go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

What is this obsession with testing perfectly normal healthy people to see if they are sick?

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Not heard of Aysmpotmatic spread then?

Appears healthy but Covid infected thats why

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"If you were/are invited to a friends/ family meal over Christmas would you ask everyone to take an lft test on the day and ask if they had a booster?. Had to cancel one invite as they won't take an lft. "

Your house your health = your rules

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

I see no reason with asking people to test (and would certainly not mind being asked). I'm also relaxed about giving my vacc status, but see why some might not be.

For all the "but why test" folk, simply because it's the best way to keep socialising and there are real-life impacts for people getting infected.

Currently sat at home with asymptomatic Covid only picked up because I test to go into the office - while I'm fine, others may not be. And beyond illness, for some, self-isolating could mean loss of earnings etc so seems perfectly reasonable to try and avoid that if you can!

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

Sorry, should read, "see no problem"...!

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

A friend recently went to a family birthday meal and all 16 guests came down with covid, if they had tested ahead of the meal they would have found out one of them had covid. He owns a small business and had to close due to himself, wife and his brother being the workforce.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

We test before visiting or meeting anyone indoors and would appreciate others to do the same but we wouldn't insist.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I would definitely ask people to test as there would be the olds there. As for asking about the booster ~ no, they make no difference.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

We test before visiting or meeting anyone indoors and would appreciate others to do the same but we wouldn't insist."

I wouldn't have worded it exactly as you but you are bang on the money! I actually don't know anyone in my circle of friends, family or work colleagues that haven't had the vaccinations or hold a view of anti vaccination. I know some were a little slow on the LFT testing uptake but they are now up to speed. It is only here that I come across a no vaccine, mask, test mindset.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Yes, would definitely ask people to take an lft test. It’s a sensible precaution.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think it's a reasonable request, to safeguard safety and to keep others wellbeing of paramount importance.

Simple, low effort.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

We have very specific reasons for taking an lft before we go to anyone's house and we know that the people who are coming here have too. We also know the vaccine status of everyone involved. If we invited anyone else we'd ask them to test for the same reasons we have but we wouldn't make vaccination of any sort a condition and wouldn't ask their status.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

I wouldn't be friends with people who required my medical history to have some food and drinks. I don't broadcast my measles or any other vaccine status, I'm not gonna start now with COVID.

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By *pal OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Bermuda Triangle in Suffolk


"I see no reason with asking people to test (and would certainly not mind being asked). I'm also relaxed about giving my vacc status, but see why some might not be.

For all the "but why test" folk, simply because it's the best way to keep socialising and there are real-life impacts for people getting infected.

Currently sat at home with asymptomatic Covid only picked up because I test to go into the office - while I'm fine, others may not be. And beyond illness, for some, self-isolating could mean loss of earnings etc so seems perfectly reasonable to try and avoid that if you can!"

I agree with what you say and respect others opinions but don't agree with all of them.

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By *bhbCouple
over a year ago

nottingham


"If they were perfectly healthy why? If they had a cold or were not feeling right then yes, ask them to test.

What is this obsession with testing perfectly normal healthy people to see if they are sick?

As for asking if they have had their booster, again why? It doesn’t stop them catching or spreading Covid!"

This is not how LFT's work. If yo have symptoms a negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid. A negative with no symptoms has a sensitivity of 99% based on the pre test probability.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't be friends with people who required my medical history to have some food and drinks. I don't broadcast my measles or any other vaccine status, I'm not gonna start now with COVID."

Totally agree.

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By *sm81Couple
over a year ago

warwickshire


"If you were/are invited to a friends/ family meal over Christmas would you ask everyone to take an lft test on the day and ask if they had a booster?. Had to cancel one invite as they won't take an lft.

No I wouldn’t ask. It’s none of my business. If I’m asking them to mine they’re a good friend or family so I’d imagine they wouldn’t put me at risk by coming if they had symptoms. We need to get on with life and stop obsessing over it. Where does it end if you start policing your family and friends. The worlds gone mad. "

Exactly ?? this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you were/are invited to a friends/ family meal over Christmas would you ask everyone to take an lft test on the day and ask if they had a booster?. Had to cancel one invite as they won't take an lft. "

No and no.

I've had my booster and will get on with my life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A friend recently went to a family birthday meal and all 16 guests came down with covid, if they had tested ahead of the meal they would have found out one of them had covid. He owns a small business and had to close due to himself, wife and his brother being the workforce. "

That literally did not happen. The chances of everyone in a 16 person party getting Covid are incredibly small.

The chances of a partner in a couple getting it while actually living with an infected person are just under 50%

And in any case there is no guarantee an LFT would have picked it up anyway. Or they could have caught it from someone else at the venue.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Nope i wouldnt,i dont ask anyone who comes round mine to test so i wouldnt expect them to ask me to test if i was going to theres

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"A friend recently went to a family birthday meal and all 16 guests came down with covid, if they had tested ahead of the meal they would have found out one of them had covid. He owns a small business and had to close due to himself, wife and his brother being the workforce.

That literally did not happen. The chances of everyone in a 16 person party getting Covid are incredibly small.

The chances of a partner in a couple getting it while actually living with an infected person are just under 50%

And in any case there is no guarantee an LFT would have picked it up anyway. Or they could have caught it from someone else at the venue."

I have no reason to not believe my friend but I should have been a little clearer in my explanation, the meal was at a family members house not out at a venue, they were on top of each other all day. It is thought a teenager in the group probably had it and his family put it down to a cold and still turned up not testing! His whole family of 5 tested positive. My friend tested positive first, his wife and brother 2 days later, I assume it was similar for the remaining 8 others staggered but all came down with covid. The LFT would certainly have picked up the teenager.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I have relatives in their 80s and I always do a LFT before I see them.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

No, not at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We did on Saturday for a family get together at my mother in law's request and half of us has all three jabs. I would have done one regardless if she hadn't of asked, that said by Tuesday I still tested positive.

Danish x

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By *racy_JacksWoman
over a year ago

Derby

I wouldn’t ask about vaccination status but I appreciate people testing, particularly at times when I’ve had a visit coming up with my mum who is having chemo for a blood cancer. So I have asked people to test before and I keep on top of it. Just one time a friend didn’t want to so we delayed seeing each other to a time when I wasn’t feeling anxious for my mum

I was supposed to go to a small party last weekend and one of my friends tested positive ahead of that. I decided not to go in the end but everyone, including him, was glad that he tested rather than show up and spread it

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By *racy_JacksWoman
over a year ago

Derby


"A friend recently went to a family birthday meal and all 16 guests came down with covid, if they had tested ahead of the meal they would have found out one of them had covid. He owns a small business and had to close due to himself, wife and his brother being the workforce.

That literally did not happen. The chances of everyone in a 16 person party getting Covid are incredibly small.

The chances of a partner in a couple getting it while actually living with an infected person are just under 50%

And in any case there is no guarantee an LFT would have picked it up anyway. Or they could have caught it from someone else at the venue."

I am guessing that these odds might not reflect the heightened chance of transition with omnicron?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

What is this obsession with testing perfectly normal healthy people to see if they are sick?

Not heard of Aysmpotmatic spread then?

Asymptomatic spread of this particular virus has been dismissed as untrue and now ! please go and check this fact out ! thanks

Appears healthy but Covid infected thats why"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

What is this obsession with testing perfectly normal healthy people to see if they are sick?

Not heard of Aysmpotmatic spread then?

Asymptomatic spread of this particular virus has been dismissed as untrue and now ! please go and check this fact out ! thanks

Appears healthy but Covid infected thats why"

Was just about to make this same point then realised it's pointless arguing with somebody that's able to dismiss anything they like as untrue.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"A friend recently went to a family birthday meal and all 16 guests came down with covid, if they had tested ahead of the meal they would have found out one of them had covid. He owns a small business and had to close due to himself, wife and his brother being the workforce.

That literally did not happen. The chances of everyone in a 16 person party getting Covid are incredibly small.

The chances of a partner in a couple getting it while actually living with an infected person are just under 50%

And in any case there is no guarantee an LFT would have picked it up anyway. Or they could have caught it from someone else at the venue."

I need to eat humble pie and say that was a good call to challenge the numbers! I went back to my friend as I felt I needed to confirm what he told me.. When he said everyone had come down with it, it wasn't exactly everyone! The family with the teenager, his wife, brother, him, his mother and a cousin. Lesson learnt, don't take everything at face value, good call though

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By *anddXXXCouple
over a year ago

London

Got it at mo, positive on a LFT again today so now need to get a neg tomorrow and Xmas morning otherwise we will be staying in and not having dinner with family.

I did catch it in circumstances similar to what the OP asked though. Family do last week, one of the kids wasnt well, he tested positive the next morning. Of the 8 adults present, 3 had the booster within last month, I was due this week, the other 5 all double jabbed, 4 in last 3 months, I was middle of June. To date I am the only person to have tested positive other than the kid who gave it to me. Not science, but fact.

Just a side note, Omnicron is a breeze compared to last time. Happy Xmas.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

We test before visiting or meeting anyone indoors and would appreciate others to do the same but we wouldn't insist."

Your family and friends are only those who are intellectually compatible?!

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

We test before visiting or meeting anyone indoors and would appreciate others to do the same but we wouldn't insist.

Your family and friends are only those who are intellectually compatible?!"

Why did you make that up ? Are you rude or just ... Well ...I'll leave with the fact that's not what we said in the lost that YOU quoted ....

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

*post

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

We test before visiting or meeting anyone indoors and would appreciate others to do the same but we wouldn't insist.

Your family and friends are only those who are intellectually compatible?!

Why did you make that up ? Are you rude or just ... Well ...I'll leave with the fact that's not what we said in the lost that YOU quoted ...."

I’m sorry I have no idea what I made up ? I asked a question albeit with an angle… I should have made the point more clearly… you won’t be ‘going to anyone’ who is unvaccinated (I can only assume this includes friends and family as this was the OPs question) because you are unlikely to be intellectually compatible? Is vaccination status your measure of intellect? You wouldn’t visit a family member if they were unvaccinated, not because you believed a risk was present but because of your measure of intellect?

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

I woukd have no issue at all taking a test if asked. In fact, I wouldn't need to be asked, I'd do one as standard sensible behaviour.

I understand it's not foolproof, but it's the best we have right now.

I'd be pretty pissed off if someone came to mine and hadn't done one.

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

I would be happy to do a lft before meeting others indoors. I would hate to be the person who didn't test and then later learned I'd passed it on.

I really do not understand why anyone would have an objection. Checking that you don't have some infectious condition before meeting others is the logical and sensible approach if you care about other people surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I can’t say I would. Im not taking part in this government attempt to devide and conquer the vaccinated from the none Vaxed.

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport


"I would be happy to do a lft before meeting others indoors. I would hate to be the person who didn't test and then later learned I'd passed it on.

I really do not understand why anyone would have an objection. Checking that you don't have some infectious condition before meeting others is the logical and sensible approach if you care about other people surely? "

No I wouldn't, Grany's been around far to long spending my inheritance.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

We test before visiting or meeting anyone indoors and would appreciate others to do the same but we wouldn't insist.

Your family and friends are only those who are intellectually compatible?!

Why did you make that up ? Are you rude or just ... Well ...I'll leave with the fact that's not what we said in the lost that YOU quoted ....

I’m sorry I have no idea what I made up ? I asked a question albeit with an angle… I should have made the point more clearly… you won’t be ‘going to anyone’ who is unvaccinated (I can only assume this includes friends and family as this was the OPs question) because you are unlikely to be intellectually compatible? Is vaccination status your measure of intellect? You wouldn’t visit a family member if they were unvaccinated, not because you believed a risk was present but because of your measure of intellect? "

Fortunately none of my family are lizard people, they are intelligent and are all vaccinated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your lack of intelligence is evident for all to see and extremely humerous at the same time. Common sense is that common nowadays with most people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn’t*

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"Your lack of intelligence is evident for all to see and extremely humerous at the same time. Common sense is that common nowadays with most people. "

Personal insults = lost the debate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

We test before visiting or meeting anyone indoors and would appreciate others to do the same but we wouldn't insist."

I’m sure this is you practically calling the unvaccinated unintellectual. The irony is your not wrong, only in the sense it’s the people your not compatible with which have the intellect, not yourself

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

We test before visiting or meeting anyone indoors and would appreciate others to do the same but we wouldn't insist.

I’m sure this is you practically calling the unvaccinated unintellectual. The irony is your not wrong, only in the sense it’s the people your not compatible with which have the intellect, not yourself "

Deja Vu and merry Christmas

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By *orty-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Leyland


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

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That's the funniest and in equal measure the most sanctimonious thing I have read all year.

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK


"A friend recently went to a family birthday meal and all 16 guests came down with covid, if they had tested ahead of the meal they would have found out one of them had covid. He owns a small business and had to close due to himself, wife and his brother being the workforce.

That literally did not happen. The chances of everyone in a 16 person party getting Covid are incredibly small.

The chances of a partner in a couple getting it while actually living with an infected person are just under 50%

And in any case there is no guarantee an LFT would have picked it up anyway. Or they could have caught it from someone else at the venue."

I’d like to know how you came by your figures for infection spread, as it appears massively false to me. My 4 children all caught COVID from their mother, as did her partner… so it’s pretty safe to assume that your 50% claim is complete bollocks

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside


"We won't be going to anyone whose not vaccinated, not because if a risk if Covid but because we are unlikely to be intellectually compatible.

That's the funniest and in equal measure the most sanctimonious thing I have read all year.

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I'm surprised COVID is even an issue with some people on here when they are so high up on their pedestal

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By *xposedInTheSunCouple
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire


"Is vaccination status your measure of intellect?"

There is actually a load of evidence for a correlation between educational level, and willingness to have the vaccine. There's an even stronger correlation with wealth - if you earn less than 10k a year there's 15% vaccine hesitancy, while for those earning over 40k it's 5%.

So if you're vaccine hesitant you're more likely to be poor and educated to a low level.

"Intellect" is a notoriously difficult thing to define. It's up to you whether you think there is any correlation between it and wealth or educational level.

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By *ristobaltMan
over a year ago

penryn


"Is vaccination status your measure of intellect?

There is actually a load of evidence for a correlation between educational level, and willingness to have the vaccine. There's an even stronger correlation with wealth - if you earn less than 10k a year there's 15% vaccine hesitancy, while for those earning over 40k it's 5%.

So if you're vaccine hesitant you're more likely to be poor and educated to a low level.

"Intellect" is a notoriously difficult thing to define. It's up to you whether you think there is any correlation between it and wealth or educational level."

Well I earn 500 pound a day working as a consultant to pipe laying industry and not vaccinated? Educated to a phd level

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By *ristobaltMan
over a year ago

penryn


"Is vaccination status your measure of intellect?

There is actually a load of evidence for a correlation between educational level, and willingness to have the vaccine. There's an even stronger correlation with wealth - if you earn less than 10k a year there's 15% vaccine hesitancy, while for those earning over 40k it's 5%.

So if you're vaccine hesitant you're more likely to be poor and educated to a low level.

"Intellect" is a notoriously difficult thing to define. It's up to you whether you think there is any correlation between it and wealth or educational level."

Typical middle class views. The whole point trying to be made is why should anyone be made to feel an outcast for expressing there human right or freedom. Ask you’re this should nonses and rapist not be subject to this? Not a person who doesn’t want an injection until the side effects are known?

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By *xposedInTheSunCouple
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire


"Well I earn 500 pound a day working as a consultant to pipe laying industry and not vaccinated? Educated to a phd level "

So you really have no excuse for pushing annecdotal evidence as if it meant anything!

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By *ristobaltMan
over a year ago

penryn


"Is vaccination status your measure of intellect?

There is actually a load of evidence for a correlation between educational level, and willingness to have the vaccine. There's an even stronger correlation with wealth - if you earn less than 10k a year there's 15% vaccine hesitancy, while for those earning over 40k it's 5%.

So if you're vaccine hesitant you're more likely to be poor and educated to a low level.

"Intellect" is a notoriously difficult thing to define. It's up to you whether you think there is any correlation between it and wealth or educational level."

I feel that way of thinking because people don’t earn a lot of money are put in that category is outright disgraceful and you seriously should be ashamed of yourself. A horrific view on the working class people of this country

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By *ristobaltMan
over a year ago

penryn


"Well I earn 500 pound a day working as a consultant to pipe laying industry and not vaccinated? Educated to a phd level

So you really have no excuse for pushing annecdotal evidence as if it meant anything!"

It’s not anecdotal evidence it’s on the government websites there to read. Just because I earn good money doesn’t mean my opinion should be more or less valuable of a person who is less fortunate. Also to mean my opinion is more right or wrong because of my wage bracket

You need to do you’re research on this vaccine and looking at the ingredients in it.

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By *ristobaltMan
over a year ago

penryn


"Well I earn 500 pound a day working as a consultant to pipe laying industry and not vaccinated? Educated to a phd level

So you really have no excuse for pushing annecdotal evidence as if it meant anything!"

You seriously should be ashamed of ur self. Some of these people with low incomes as you say!!!! Have fought in wars for our country to keep us safe from real problems. Next time as you look down on people calling them uneducated and lacking intelligence. When in all honestly you are the uneducated person on the matter you are debating about.

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By *xposedInTheSunCouple
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

If you have to start shouting, then you've lost the argument, and you know it.

I never looked down on anyone. The vast majority of the people in the categories you mention have had their jabs. Are you saying that they're stupid?

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By *ristobaltMan
over a year ago

penryn


"If you have to start shouting, then you've lost the argument, and you know it.

I never looked down on anyone. The vast majority of the people in the categories you mention have had their jabs. Are you saying that they're stupid?"

You were the person who even brought intelligence into the matter. Saying low payed people are pretty much dump. Did you not?

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By *xposedInTheSunCouple
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire


"You were the person who even brought intelligence into the matter. Saying low payed people are pretty much dump. Did you not? "

Go back and read what I said, and you'll see that's not the case.

But I doubt there's anything more useful to be gained from this conversation, so I'm going to sleep. Feel free to have the last say!

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By *ristobaltMan
over a year ago

penryn


"You were the person who even brought intelligence into the matter. Saying low payed people are pretty much dump. Did you not?

Go back and read what I said, and you'll see that's not the case.

But I doubt there's anything more useful to be gained from this conversation, so I'm going to sleep. Feel free to have the last say!"

I will have the last day and it is to say no ill feelings and maybe I got a little heated. You look good in black for the record

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By *ooangel8181Woman
over a year ago

notts

Do you all only shop, visit places which have fully vaccinated colleagues and who have negative LFT tests of the morning their work commenced. Also who only let people in who are vaccinated and LFT that morning?

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London


"If you were/are invited to a friends/ family meal over Christmas would you ask everyone to take an lft test on the day and ask if they had a booster?. Had to cancel one invite as they won't take an lft.

No I wouldn’t ask. It’s none of my business. If I’m asking them to mine they’re a good friend or family so I’d imagine they wouldn’t put me at risk by coming if they had symptoms. We need to get on with life and stop obsessing over it. Where does it end if you start policing your family and friends. The worlds gone mad. "

This!

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By *enuineguy76Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"If you were/are invited to a friends/ family meal over Christmas would you ask everyone to take an lft test on the day and ask if they had a booster?. Had to cancel one invite as they won't take an lft. "
best to cancel Christmas; your obviously very concerned. Just isolate yourself and give them a wave and say hi on a video call - that way you will be 100% safe.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"If you have to start shouting, then you've lost the argument, and you know it.

I never looked down on anyone. The vast majority of the people in the categories you mention have had their jabs. Are you saying that they're stupid?

You were the person who even brought intelligence into the matter. Saying low payed people are pretty much dump. Did you not? "

There is no correlation between intellectual compatible and intelligence.

There is a direct correlation between intelligence and some of the replies though

Merry Christmas

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