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 ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! " Wow! Really? That’s great news! | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
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"Ooh this sounds like perfect Xmas entertainment "haha... my thoughts exactly... thought my vanilla life was boring until I come to this forum | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
wow bet that is exciting to watch..."“Great scientists, even greater questions. Mind-expanding talks and hands-on science, inspiring children and adults alike since 1825.” | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! " I'm going to look at that data. As I know people who've had Delta twice and were still symptomatic. | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! I'm going to look at that data. As I know people who've had Delta twice and were still symptomatic. " Obviously their immune system isn't up to scratch if they have caught it twice. | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! I'm going to look at that data. As I know people who've had Delta twice and were still symptomatic. Obviously their immune system isn't up to scratch if they have caught it twice. " This. | |||
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"I know quite a few people who have been unfortunate enough to have caught it twice so far ....." How many of those had confirmed COVID? Because I've lost count of how many people 'think they might have had it' | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! " Very skeptical of this. Many people have been documented having it twice. Especially different variants | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! Very skeptical of this. Many people have been documented having it twice. Especially different variants " I don’t think they mean that you will not be able to catch it. More that once you have had it or been exposed to the vaccines you would have a blueprint in your DNA to fight it
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"These people who have “caught it twice” do they know what variant(s) they had? Surely it is the same principle as the Cold or the Flu. We catch these throughout our lives but never the same (variant) one twice. Viruses mutate so the immune system learns how to fight variant 1 giving protection if exposed again but if it is variant 2 etc the immune system doesn’t know yet how to deal with it (or at least some of the mutations)." | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! " Are there any links for this? | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! " Protected from what??? Have had Covid 3 times now!!! | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! " The problem with natural immunity is... It's free.  | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! The problem with natural immunity is... It's free. "But not everyone is naturally resistant | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! " I know a front line healthcare nurse who had it twice | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
wow bet that is exciting to watch...
“Great scientists, even greater questions. Mind-expanding talks and hands-on science, inspiring children and adults alike since 1825.”
"Yep.. Xmas tradition. Been watching them since I was a kid. Don't knock it till you've tried it. | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
wow bet that is exciting to watch...
“Great scientists, even greater questions. Mind-expanding talks and hands-on science, inspiring children and adults alike since 1825.”
Yep.. Xmas tradition. Been watching them since I was a kid. Don't knock it till you've tried it. "Definitely a Christmas tradition to preserve. To think that a child sitting down to watch one of the lectures could become one of our great scientists in the future. Very uplifting | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
wow bet that is exciting to watch...
“Great scientists, even greater questions. Mind-expanding talks and hands-on science, inspiring children and adults alike since 1825.”
Yep.. Xmas tradition. Been watching them since I was a kid. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Definitely a Christmas tradition to preserve.
To think that a child sitting down to watch one of the lectures could become one of our great scientists in the future.
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"https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/ The article is From last spring and had 77 participants " all I could find too... Be interested in any updates ! | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! " Loving that this unverified, unlinked comment about a study was the first comment to a TV show where proper scientists tell you the facts are. I'm not going to read it as it's almost certainly bollox. | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! Very skeptical of this. Many people have been documented having it twice. Especially different variants I don’t think they mean that you will not be able to catch it. More that once you have had it or been exposed to the vaccines you would have a blueprint in your DNA to fight it
( I’m not a scientist) "Isn't that how all antibodies work? You get infected, your body deploys the troops it knows work against whatever you have? | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! The problem with natural immunity is... It's free. "No, the problem is that to get it you first have to survive the exact thing that you are trying to protect yourself against. Fab really needs a facepalm emoji. | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! The problem with natural immunity is... It's free. "Aren't vaccines free too? ?? | |||
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"https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/ The article is From last spring and had 77 participants " So ignoring all of the later evidence suggesting that you can indeed get it multiple times (and that prior infection gives even less protection against different variants) and just cherry-picking an early study because it has a result you like? COVID isn’t going to go away just because you want it to. | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
"Glad they’re on separate dates. Wouldn’t want them all to be in one room at the same time | |||
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"https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/ The article is From last spring and had 77 participants So ignoring all of the later evidence suggesting that you can indeed get it multiple times (and that prior infection gives even less protection against different variants) and just cherry-picking an early study because it has a result you like? COVID isn’t going to go away just because you want it to." I think the poster was highlighting that it was out of date and a small study rather than suggesting it was struggling evidence for the original claim. | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! Wow! Really? That’s great news! " No, it is complete Bollox. Some people I know, all fully vaccinated have had COVID-19 twice to varying degrees. They all say "Thank goodness we had the vaccinations, you wouldn't want COVID-19 without them". | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! Very skeptical of this. Many people have been documented having it twice. Especially different variants I don’t think they mean that you will not be able to catch it. More that once you have had it or been exposed to the vaccines you would have a blueprint in your DNA to fight it
( I’m not a scientist) Isn't that how all antibodies work? You get infected, your body deploys the troops it knows work against whatever you have?"Just to clear it up…. All viruses are different and all peoples immune systems are different. Some viruses are deadly ( like Ebola) some give us a cold ( like the early corona viruses we all have as colds or say chickenpox). Some people have great immune systems and shrug things off with minimal or no symptoms, others have immune systems which are not as robust and get very poorly or die because of things many would find relatively mild. Our immune sysyems are linked to many things and factors, but lots of fit healthy people have compromised immune systems without knowing. Some viruses cause more serious disease death in those who’s immune systems don’t cope as well. If you are infected with COVID you will develop an immune response. But that response varies depending on the immune system of that person. If you get a vaccine that process is mimicked and the body’s immune system produces the same or similar response. These antibody responses last different times at different levels in different people. That’s why we see re infections and people catching it more than once. Ultimately the virus will mutate over and over until a dominant strain develops and we all develop a substantial immune response. This is why we still get a cold ( just another corona virus) but don’t usually get very ill or die. The hope is COVID 19 will mutate over time to become another common cold. Fingers crossed | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! Wow! Really? That’s great news! No, it is complete Bollox. Some people I know, all fully vaccinated have had COVID-19 twice to varying degrees. They all say "Thank goodness we had the vaccinations, you wouldn't want COVID-19 without them". " And booked their booster. | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! Very skeptical of this. Many people have been documented having it twice. Especially different variants I don’t think they mean that you will not be able to catch it. More that once you have had it or been exposed to the vaccines you would have a blueprint in your DNA to fight it
( I’m not a scientist) Isn't that how all antibodies work? You get infected, your body deploys the troops it knows work against whatever you have?
Just to clear it up…. All viruses are different and all peoples immune systems are different. Some viruses are deadly ( like Ebola) some give us a cold ( like the early corona viruses we all have as colds or say chickenpox). Some people have great immune systems and shrug things off with minimal or no symptoms, others have immune systems which are not as robust and get very poorly or die because of things many would find relatively mild. Our immune sysyems are linked to many things and factors, but lots of fit healthy people have compromised immune systems without knowing. Some viruses cause more serious disease death in those who’s immune systems don’t cope as well.
If you are infected with COVID you will develop an immune response. But that response varies depending on the immune system of that person. If you get a vaccine that process is mimicked and the body’s immune system produces the same or similar response. These antibody responses last different times at different levels in different people. That’s why we see re infections and people catching it more than once.
Ultimately the virus will mutate over and over until a dominant strain develops and we all develop a substantial immune response. This is why we still get a cold ( just another corona virus) but don’t usually get very ill or die. The hope is COVID 19 will mutate over time to become another common cold.
Fingers crossed "The cold isn't just a coronavirus, it collectively contains other types too. Its a massive group of viruses labelled as the common cold. I read somewhere that most people never get infected by the same "cold" twice but never looked into it to be honest tho. | |||
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"Alot of critical thinkers here, look at the data and you will see that delta did not appear untill the vaccine was being administered on a large scale. Now some say correlation does not equal causation, but as a very large percentage of people came down with the so-called delta variant after the gene therapy injection I would say it's highly suspect. Then you get the government saying we need a booster to protect us from the new variants, but the problem is it's the exactly the same gene therapy injection so your 1st jab or 2 should provide the protection if it's as effective as they try to say. This new variant has over 32 changes in the spike protein so even if the 1st gene therapy injection worked it would be very unlikely to work on a variant with so many mutations. But the good new is that this new variant like all viruses has gotten weaker with every mutation, and as such could be the cure for sars cov2. And put an end to all this tyrannical government measures and lockdowns and all the divisions of the populations let's hope so at least." | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! Very skeptical of this. Many people have been documented having it twice. Especially different variants I don’t think they mean that you will not be able to catch it. More that once you have had it or been exposed to the vaccines you would have a blueprint in your DNA to fight it
( I’m not a scientist) Isn't that how all antibodies work? You get infected, your body deploys the troops it knows work against whatever you have?
Just to clear it up…. All viruses are different and all peoples immune systems are different. Some viruses are deadly ( like Ebola) some give us a cold ( like the early corona viruses we all have as colds or say chickenpox). Some people have great immune systems and shrug things off with minimal or no symptoms, others have immune systems which are not as robust and get very poorly or die because of things many would find relatively mild. Our immune sysyems are linked to many things and factors, but lots of fit healthy people have compromised immune systems without knowing. Some viruses cause more serious disease death in those who’s immune systems don’t cope as well.
If you are infected with COVID you will develop an immune response. But that response varies depending on the immune system of that person. If you get a vaccine that process is mimicked and the body’s immune system produces the same or similar response. These antibody responses last different times at different levels in different people. That’s why we see re infections and people catching it more than once.
Ultimately the virus will mutate over and over until a dominant strain develops and we all develop a substantial immune response. This is why we still get a cold ( just another corona virus) but don’t usually get very ill or die. The hope is COVID 19 will mutate over time to become another common cold.
Fingers crossed The cold isn't just a coronavirus, it collectively contains other types too. Its a massive group of viruses labelled as the common cold. I read somewhere that most people never get infected by the same "cold" twice but never looked into it to be honest tho."What we call the common cold are in fact a variety of different viruses. We become infected by one and get all the same or similar symptoms, snotty nose, cough, sore throat etc. Some people get over it quickly others don’t. It was those ‘ common cold viruses that killed off many native South American Indians when the Spanish invaded South America 500 years ago. They had never been exposed to any of the cold viruses and it had a devastating effect. Colds and the flu change all the time, that’s why we get a slightly different tweaked flu jab every year, based on the current strains. But because there are so many ‘ common cold’ viruses constantly evolving, we never get absolute immunity. Sometimes a little sometimes a lot. That’s why some colds are worse than others. Personally I had a cold in the summer that wiped me out, I then had COVID which felt like a 3 day hangover, nothing more. But for some, as we have seen, those who have not been exposed and develop natural antibodies, or those who were not vaccinated, the outcome can be very serious or fatal. | |||
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"Alot of critical thinkers here, look at the data and you will see that delta did not appear untill the vaccine was being administered on a large scale. Now some say correlation does not equal causation, but as a very large percentage of people came down with the so-called delta variant after the gene therapy injection I would say it's highly suspect. Then you get the government saying we need a booster to protect us from the new variants, but the problem is it's the exactly the same gene therapy injection so your 1st jab or 2 should provide the protection if it's as effective as they try to say. This new variant has over 32 changes in the spike protein so even if the 1st gene therapy injection worked it would be very unlikely to work on a variant with so many mutations. But the good new is that this new variant like all viruses has gotten weaker with every mutation, and as such could be the cure for sars cov2. And put an end to all this tyrannical government measures and lockdowns and all the divisions of the populations let's hope so at least." I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccines | |||
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"Alot of critical thinkers here, look at the data and you will see that delta did not appear untill the vaccine was being administered on a large scale. Now some say correlation does not equal causation, but as a very large percentage of people came down with the so-called delta variant after the gene therapy injection I would say it's highly suspect. Then you get the government saying we need a booster to protect us from the new variants, but the problem is it's the exactly the same gene therapy injection so your 1st jab or 2 should provide the protection if it's as effective as they try to say. This new variant has over 32 changes in the spike protein so even if the 1st gene therapy injection worked it would be very unlikely to work on a variant with so many mutations. But the good new is that this new variant like all viruses has gotten weaker with every mutation, and as such could be the cure for sars cov2. And put an end to all this tyrannical government measures and lockdowns and all the divisions of the populations let's hope so at least. I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccines" isnt delta the India variant ? So mutated in a low vaccine country. A bit like omicron.... | |||
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" I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccines" Not all vaccines are mRNA. AstraZeneca is a viral vector vaccine. It uses a different mechanism to induce an immune response. | |||
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" I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccines Not all vaccines are mRNA. AstraZeneca is a viral vector vaccine. It uses a different mechanism to induce an immune response." No the Astra Zeneca uses part of a different virus to stimulate the immune response, Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA types… I was referring to the previous post re gene therapy! | |||
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"Alot of critical thinkers here, look at the data and you will see that delta did not appear untill the vaccine was being administered on a large scale. Now some say correlation does not equal causation, but as a very large percentage of people came down with the so-called delta variant after the gene therapy injection I would say it's highly suspect. Then you get the government saying we need a booster to protect us from the new variants, but the problem is it's the exactly the same gene therapy injection so your 1st jab or 2 should provide the protection if it's as effective as they try to say. This new variant has over 32 changes in the spike protein so even if the 1st gene therapy injection worked it would be very unlikely to work on a variant with so many mutations. But the good new is that this new variant like all viruses has gotten weaker with every mutation, and as such could be the cure for sars cov2. And put an end to all this tyrannical government measures and lockdowns and all the divisions of the populations let's hope so at least. I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccinesisnt delta the India variant ? So mutated in a low vaccine country. A bit like omicron.... " Yea should do a bit of looking into the origins of both omicron and delta, omicron got it's start in Europe and delta in the US both acknowledge now to be true but were never stated in mainstream media non stop after there true origins were learned. And I say gene therapy as the 2 main ones use mrna to rewrite dna to produce the genes to express the intended spike protein hence the term gene therapy. | |||
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"Alot of critical thinkers here, look at the data and you will see that delta did not appear untill the vaccine was being administered on a large scale. Now some say correlation does not equal causation, but as a very large percentage of people came down with the so-called delta variant after the gene therapy injection I would say it's highly suspect. Then you get the government saying we need a booster to protect us from the new variants, but the problem is it's the exactly the same gene therapy injection so your 1st jab or 2 should provide the protection if it's as effective as they try to say. This new variant has over 32 changes in the spike protein so even if the 1st gene therapy injection worked it would be very unlikely to work on a variant with so many mutations. But the good new is that this new variant like all viruses has gotten weaker with every mutation, and as such could be the cure for sars cov2. And put an end to all this tyrannical government measures and lockdowns and all the divisions of the populations let's hope so at least. I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccinesisnt delta the India variant ? So mutated in a low vaccine country. A bit like omicron.... Yea should do a bit of looking into the origins of both omicron and delta, omicron got it's start in Europe and delta in the US both acknowledge now to be true but were never stated in mainstream media non stop after there true origins were learned. And I say gene therapy as the 2 main ones use mrna to rewrite dna to produce the genes to express the intended spike protein hence the term gene therapy. " I've not seen anything that says omicron was American rather than teh US. Where did you get this from? | |||
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"Alot of critical thinkers here, look at the data and you will see that delta did not appear untill the vaccine was being administered on a large scale. Now some say correlation does not equal causation, but as a very large percentage of people came down with the so-called delta variant after the gene therapy injection I would say it's highly suspect. Then you get the government saying we need a booster to protect us from the new variants, but the problem is it's the exactly the same gene therapy injection so your 1st jab or 2 should provide the protection if it's as effective as they try to say. This new variant has over 32 changes in the spike protein so even if the 1st gene therapy injection worked it would be very unlikely to work on a variant with so many mutations. But the good new is that this new variant like all viruses has gotten weaker with every mutation, and as such could be the cure for sars cov2. And put an end to all this tyrannical government measures and lockdowns and all the divisions of the populations let's hope so at least. I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccinesisnt delta the India variant ? So mutated in a low vaccine country. A bit like omicron.... Yea should do a bit of looking into the origins of both omicron and delta, omicron got it's start in Europe and delta in the US both acknowledge now to be true but were never stated in mainstream media non stop after there true origins were learned. And I say gene therapy as the 2 main ones use mrna to rewrite dna to produce the genes to express the intended spike protein hence the term gene therapy. " Hi, it’s still not gene therapy. That’s a very different thing. mRNA based vaccines are incredibly clever things and use a modified mRNA (not DNA). It really doesn’t matter where any strain of the virus has originated. It will mutate in populations with low immunity and individuals with compromised immunity, generally. It’s well documented that omicron probably came via Botswana but with global travel so widespread it moves with people all over the world . The virus mutations are just what happens, other than the host it replicates in it doesn’t care what country it’s in. | |||
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"mRNA based vaccines are incredibly clever things and use a modified mRNA (not DNA)." Incredibly clever, they have a built in shelf life! | |||
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"Alot of critical thinkers here, look at the data and you will see that delta did not appear untill the vaccine was being administered on a large scale. Now some say correlation does not equal causation, but as a very large percentage of people came down with the so-called delta variant after the gene therapy injection I would say it's highly suspect. Then you get the government saying we need a booster to protect us from the new variants, but the problem is it's the exactly the same gene therapy injection so your 1st jab or 2 should provide the protection if it's as effective as they try to say. This new variant has over 32 changes in the spike protein so even if the 1st gene therapy injection worked it would be very unlikely to work on a variant with so many mutations. But the good new is that this new variant like all viruses has gotten weaker with every mutation, and as such could be the cure for sars cov2. And put an end to all this tyrannical government measures and lockdowns and all the divisions of the populations let's hope so at least. I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccinesisnt delta the India variant ? So mutated in a low vaccine country. A bit like omicron.... Yea should do a bit of looking into the origins of both omicron and delta, omicron got it's start in Europe and delta in the US both acknowledge now to be true but were never stated in mainstream media non stop after there true origins were learned. And I say gene therapy as the 2 main ones use mrna to rewrite dna to produce the genes to express the intended spike protein hence the term gene therapy. I've not seen anything that says omicron was American rather than teh US. Where did you get this from?" I said Delta was found to have started in the US and omicron was found to have had started in Europe but I've not got the sites bookmarked but a simple search on duckduckgo.com should help you find it. | |||
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"Alot of critical thinkers here, look at the data and you will see that delta did not appear untill the vaccine was being administered on a large scale. Now some say correlation does not equal causation, but as a very large percentage of people came down with the so-called delta variant after the gene therapy injection I would say it's highly suspect. Then you get the government saying we need a booster to protect us from the new variants, but the problem is it's the exactly the same gene therapy injection so your 1st jab or 2 should provide the protection if it's as effective as they try to say. This new variant has over 32 changes in the spike protein so even if the 1st gene therapy injection worked it would be very unlikely to work on a variant with so many mutations. But the good new is that this new variant like all viruses has gotten weaker with every mutation, and as such could be the cure for sars cov2. And put an end to all this tyrannical government measures and lockdowns and all the divisions of the populations let's hope so at least. I’m afraid none of the vaccines are ‘ gene therapy’ they work using mRNA to invoke a natural immune response. Delta is a very real variant, which emerged as a natural mutation of the virus. It’s not linked or could ever be linked to the vaccinesisnt delta the India variant ? So mutated in a low vaccine country. A bit like omicron.... Yea should do a bit of looking into the origins of both omicron and delta, omicron got it's start in Europe and delta in the US both acknowledge now to be true but were never stated in mainstream media non stop after there true origins were learned. And I say gene therapy as the 2 main ones use mrna to rewrite dna to produce the genes to express the intended spike protein hence the term gene therapy. I've not seen anything that says omicron was American rather than teh US. Where did you get this from? I said Delta was found to have started in the US and omicron was found to have had started in Europe but I've not got the sites bookmarked but a simple search on duckduckgo.com should help you find it." apologies, wrong way around. Okay I've found things that say it was in identified in the Netherlands before SA announced it, but that SA still had cases that pre date that. Cant see the bit that says the first case was identified in Europe. (Im no DDG/Google ninja I will admit!) | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
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"The mRNA research is helping with cures for malaria and now some cancers… it’s really incredibly exciting research" Yes I am sure it is exciting, problem is the system (mrna) is not very well established, it's still in research mode so to speak. It's also has a very bad track record of killing most all of the animals it was tested/used on. And with this being forced on most all the population you can not get any real numbers for a controlled studies as there's no control group to compare with. And as it is there are large numbers of still birth, spontaneous abortions, heart attacks, strokes,neurological problems after have the jab. So one can hardly say it's safe and effective. | |||
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"The mRNA research is helping with cures for malaria and now some cancers… it’s really incredibly exciting research Yes I am sure it is exciting, problem is the system (mrna) is not very well established, it's still in research mode so to speak. It's also has a very bad track record of killing most all of the animals it was tested/used on. And with this being forced on most all the population you can not get any real numbers for a controlled studies as there's no control group to compare with. And as it is there are large numbers of still birth, spontaneous abortions, heart attacks, strokes,neurological problems after have the jab. So one can hardly say it's safe and effective." is tej animal death related to the story that animal tests were skipped ? Or something else? When you deal with large numbers, there will be problems after the jabs just because people have problems. There was a paper that showed the number of such events, but it didn't show what the base rate was. Not scientific but I looked at the first trimester missacriages (which I learnt are called spontaneous abortion) and it seemed about the same rate, using crude stats I found online. | |||
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"The mRNA research is helping with cures for malaria and now some cancers… it’s really incredibly exciting research Yes I am sure it is exciting, problem is the system (mrna) is not very well established, it's still in research mode so to speak. It's also has a very bad track record of killing most all of the animals it was tested/used on. And with this being forced on most all the population you can not get any real numbers for a controlled studies as there's no control group to compare with. And as it is there are large numbers of still birth, spontaneous abortions, heart attacks, strokes,neurological problems after have the jab. So one can hardly say it's safe and effective." Sadly there is no way I can invoke any sense of reasonable pragmatic scientific common sense here, I am very qualified on the matter and unfortunately the internet of bizarre statistics and sensationalist news gets in the way of the truth. I bow out and leave the tin foil hat to you all | |||
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"Washington University School of Medicine RELEASES DATA claiming If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely PROTECTED FOR LIFE... Great news everyone if this gathers medical traction we could all finally see an end ! Very skeptical of this. Many people have been documented having it twice. Especially different variants I don’t think they mean that you will not be able to catch it. More that once you have had it or been exposed to the vaccines you would have a blueprint in your DNA to fight it
( I’m not a scientist) Isn't that how all antibodies work? You get infected, your body deploys the troops it knows work against whatever you have?"Yes as long as it don’t kill you or give you a permanent health problem first | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
Good find
Will this be streamed or syndicated anywhere?, we don’t have normal TV and shouldn’t really use iplayer without a licence "Royal Institution has a YouTube channel - the lectures may be available to watch there, after they have been broadcast on BBC4 | |||
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"2021 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures - Jonathan Van-Tam (JVT ) and six Guest Lecturers - learn all about how viruses work, how they spread, and the scientific breakthroughs that allow us to fight them.
BBC Four (8pm) on 28, 29, and 30 December.
Good find
Will this be streamed or syndicated anywhere?, we don’t have normal TV and shouldn’t really use iplayer without a licence
Royal Institution has a YouTube channel - the lectures may be available to watch there, after they have been broadcast on BBC4
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"The mRNA research is helping with cures for malaria and now some cancers… it’s really incredibly exciting research Yes I am sure it is exciting, problem is the system (mrna) is not very well established, it's still in research mode so to speak. It's also has a very bad track record of killing most all of the animals it was tested/used on. And with this being forced on most all the population you can not get any real numbers for a controlled studies as there's no control group to compare with. And as it is there are large numbers of still birth, spontaneous abortions, heart attacks, strokes,neurological problems after have the jab. So one can hardly say it's safe and effective. Sadly there is no way I can invoke any sense of reasonable pragmatic scientific common sense here, I am very qualified on the matter and unfortunately the internet of bizarre statistics and sensationalist news gets in the way of the truth. I bow out and leave the tin foil hat to you all " Take it, your head's sore? You find that happens when you bang it too many times against brick walls. It's not worth the effort.. Not only that, in a few months, it won't matter as we're now being being tracked by our chipped arms by Bill Gates who'll is already selling data of our movements to the government who are storing it on Amazon's servers. In order for the chips to operate, they need 3.5GHz radio waves which allows power to be injected directly into the chip, which then regularly reports back mutations within the human DNA. Then, as we humans mutate into something the next gen species will dig up as fossils in a millions of years time as the entire globe was nuked to oblivion by Russia and the USA, resetting the clock on evolution and it all starts again. Which species will survive and become our successors? Last time it was small mammals.. | |||
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