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" I wonder if the anti vax people start refusing all the drugs that the ICU staff try and save them with. "Indeed. Quite the conundrum. huh.  | |||
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"This is our normality, covid is a virus which will mutate to survive." Covid is a virus that makes people ill - we have seen from world figures that it has made many many many people ill - Many have ended up in hospital blocking beds that Gran and Dad and your Daughter and Son and your Wife or Husband desperately need for cancer care Hip replacements and a million other things that a vaccine can't protect from. It's incredibly simple to understand. | |||
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"I wonder if the anti vax people start refusing all the drugs that the ICU staff try and save them with. "https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/09/16/hospital-fury-after-covid-patient-removed-against-medical-advice/ So it's happened, sort of. He died. | |||
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"'He said: "What I'd say to people who are still hesitant is that if you end up with COVID and end up in hospital, you need a cocktail of drugs in order to keep you alive when you come into intensive care, all of which have side effects. "The other thing to say is that people talk about the side effects with vaccines or that they're worried about things like clots," Dr Patrick added. "Well COVID can give you clots and people who come into hospital who are suffering from COVID will go onto medication to help stop their blood clotting to that extent. "So all this can be stopped by having the vaccine so if you're on the fence about it or still wondering I definitely recommend getting one." ' . I wonder if the anti vax people start refusing all the drugs that the ICU staff try and save them with. "They refuse the vaccine because they don't know what's in it, but will happily take other meds they don't know what's in them, to relieve the ill effects of catching Covid. But everyone else is crazy. 
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". . . ,only person i know who has now decided to get jabbed is only doing it for a holiday to the u.s next year" Imagine that, the chance of a holiday to the United States 'bullying' them into getting a Jab! | |||
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". . . ,only person i know who has now decided to get jabbed is only doing it for a holiday to the u.s next year Imagine that, the chance of a holiday to the United States 'bullying' them into getting a Jab! "did i say they were bullied no i didnt she chose to get it for her own reasons nothing to do with the greater good or protecting the nhs,the bullying comment was about the guff that keeps appearing in the rags,if your not jabbed your a granny killer and your gona cause the nhs to collapse lol do u really think that will convince those who havent had it yet? Think the ones who are so pro vax are just as mental as the full on anti vaxxers | |||
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". . . ,only person i know who has now decided to get jabbed is only doing it for a holiday to the u.s next year Imagine that, the chance of a holiday to the United States 'bullying' them into getting a Jab! did i say they were bullied no i didnt she chose to get it for her own reasons nothing to do with the greater good or protecting the nhs,the bullying comment was about the guff that keeps appearing in the rags,if your not jabbed your a granny killer and your gona cause the nhs to collapse lol do u really think that will convince those who havent had it yet? Think the ones who are so pro vax are just as mental as the full on anti vaxxers"But she did it for a holiday - you said that - without the holiday you appear to say she wouldn't have done. Somewhere along the line she must have read or suspected that a jab would have been needed for the holiday. Surely that's the same as reading in a newspaper have the jab because it's in everybody's interest - not just hers for her holiday. | |||
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". . . ,only person i know who has now decided to get jabbed is only doing it for a holiday to the u.s next year Imagine that, the chance of a holiday to the United States 'bullying' them into getting a Jab! did i say they were bullied no i didnt she chose to get it for her own reasons nothing to do with the greater good or protecting the nhs,the bullying comment was about the guff that keeps appearing in the rags,if your not jabbed your a granny killer and your gona cause the nhs to collapse lol do u really think that will convince those who havent had it yet? Think the ones who are so pro vax are just as mental as the full on anti vaxxers
But she did it for a holiday - you said that - without the holiday you appear to say she wouldn't have done. Somewhere along the line she must have read or suspected that a jab would have been needed for the holiday. Surely that's the same as reading in a newspaper have the jab because it's in everybody's interest - not just hers for her holiday."but thats the only reason she decided to get it for a holiday not because its in everyones intrest,i read a lot of your posts and agree with most of them but as far as jabs go i dont see why your so concerned about people not having them,is down to each individual,i got mine for me no one else seems as im nearly 50 i thought it might be a good idea,am pretty sure if i was in my 20s or 30s i would of said no thanks | |||
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"i read a lot of your posts and agree with most of them but as far as jabs go i dont see why your so concerned about people not having them,is down to each individual,i got mine for me no one else seems as im nearly 50 i thought it might be a good idea,am pretty sure if i was in my 20s or 30s i would of said no thanks" Frankly, I'm concerned because I personally know people who have died from it - One who left an unborn child a wife/mother and two children, he pleaded in his last days (and even made a video that he wished he had had it). and we are quite a long time into vaccinating people now and there is very little evidence that the vaccine is a danger to health in the long-term or short-term. None of my vaccine posts have ever been vociferous or littered with hell and damnation. All have been, 'please look at this again'. | |||
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" but if people dont want it thats there choice " But it's a choice that affects other people. Unvaccinated people who catch covid are more likely to pass the virus on, and more likely to need hospital treatment, which takes time and resources away from someone else who might need them. | |||
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" but if people dont want it thats there choice But it's a choice that affects other people. Unvaccinated people who catch covid are more likely to pass the virus on, and more likely to need hospital treatment, which takes time and resources away from someone else who might need them. " Is vaccine the only way we can reduce the risk of "passing it on to others?"... After all vaccines don't prevent passing it along. In some cases, and if its in the last few months, they reduce the risk. Do you think there are other choices people can make to reduce that risk? | |||
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"Unvaccinated people who are ill are more likely to occupy a hospital bed than those who have been vaccinated. Vis-a-vi taking bed space from those others who have other illnesses that vaccinations can't prevent. " Like what? What bed space taking Illnesses are acceptable in your eyes? | |||
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"Unvaccinated people who are ill are more likely to occupy a hospital bed than those who have been vaccinated. Vis-a-vi taking bed space from those others who have other illnesses that vaccinations can't prevent. " Worth bearing in mind there aren’t actually that many that aren’t self inflicted or man made. All based on choice…. | |||
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"And it continues trying to bully people into getting jabbed,ive had all 3 now but if people dont want it thats there choice.do people really think those who havent had it yet are gona be convinced by yet another report in a paper,only person i know who has now decided to get jabbed is only doing it for a holiday to the u.s next year" It's not a case for many that they don't want it, it can be uncertainty and being hesitant. They may not have contacts and friends who know much more than they do, with their lives being busy and having other life priorities. | |||
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"Unvaccinated people who are ill are more likely to occupy a hospital bed than those who have been vaccinated. Vis-a-vi taking bed space from those others who have other illnesses that vaccinations can't prevent. " So what happens should someone require a hospital bed as a direct result of the vaccine? Where do they rank in your medical apartheid system? | |||
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"Unvaccinated people who are ill are more likely to occupy a hospital bed than those who have been vaccinated. Vis-a-vi taking bed space from those others who have other illnesses that vaccinations can't prevent. So what happens should someone require a hospital bed as a direct result of the vaccine? Where do they rank in your medical apartheid system? " Read it again. It actually says that they 'would' take a bed. | |||
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"Right ok I not necessarily an anti vaxer but let's get one thing right this vaccine has been rushed and is still technically in its trial period (facts)" How long until a vaccine is out of its trial period? Who tests them? | |||
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"Right ok I not necessarily an anti vaxer but let's get one thing right this vaccine has been rushed and is still technically in its trial period (facts) How long until a vaccine is out of its trial period? Who tests them? " 2024 | |||
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"Right ok I not necessarily an anti vaxer but let's get one thing right this vaccine has been rushed and is still technically in its trial period (facts)" Oops you didn’t get one thing right (facts) | |||
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"Bullying from sanctimonious little Hitlers. I have a healthy immune system, I have had Covid twice, recovered in a day or two twice, I have absolutely zero risk of being hospitalised and taking up a bed that collie be used for gran or grandad. " You are making assumptions based on how you believe you will respond to another covid infection, the reality is you do not know how you will respond to another covid infection until you have that infection. | |||
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"Right ok I not necessarily an anti vaxer but let's get one thing right this vaccine has been rushed and is still technically in its trial period (facts)" Great idea, let's get 2 things right instead, it wasn't rushed in the way you imagined, it's not in a trial period. Winston | |||
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"Bullying from sanctimonious little Hitlers. I have a healthy immune system, I have had Covid twice, recovered in a day or two twice, I have absolutely zero risk of being hospitalised and taking up a bed that collie be used for gran or grandad. You are making assumptions based on how you believe you will respond to another covid infection, the reality is you do not know how you will respond to another covid infection until you have that infection. " And the same logic applies to the risks involved with medications, vaccines and surgical procedures. Hence the reason we have always had a choice. | |||
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"Bullying from sanctimonious little Hitlers. I have a healthy immune system, I have had Covid twice, recovered in a day or two twice, I have absolutely zero risk of being hospitalised and taking up a bed that collie be used for gran or grandad. You are making assumptions based on how you believe you will respond to another covid infection, the reality is you do not know how you will respond to another covid infection until you have that infection. And the same logic applies to the risks involved with medications, vaccines and surgical procedures. Hence the reason we have always had a choice. "Believing you are stronger than a virus is not the same as taking preventative measures to ease the potential effect of a virus. The first is a superiority complex, the second is considered on factual evidence. | |||
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"Sorry - the selfish twats that don’t want a jab are holding beds for those that need it. I have seen both my parents on a ventilator and it’s awful to see (not covid and pre covid). Saw a stat that 9/11 icu beds in a south London hospital are with people that haven’t been vaxed At the moment London has about 2 mil not vaccinated- nearly everyone of them is a selfish twat. " Threat x vulnerability = risk. Malaria kills millions every year across the world. We are all vulnerable to malaria so why don't we get anti malaria treatment here? Because the threat of malaria in the UK is negligible, so the risk of catching it is negligible. So it would be a waste of money and resources to give every person anti malarial drugs. There is a threat from COVID in the UK. But not everyone is vulnerable to it. Consequently the risk of COVID to that group of people is very small. It is a complete waste of NHS resources vaccinating or giving boosters to this group. Those resources would be better used caring for those in the highest risk groups, and not just at risk of COVID. | |||
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"Bullying from sanctimonious little Hitlers. I have a healthy immune system, I have had Covid twice, recovered in a day or two twice, I have absolutely zero risk of being hospitalised and taking up a bed that collie be used for gran or grandad. You are making assumptions based on how you believe you will respond to another covid infection, the reality is you do not know how you will respond to another covid infection until you have that infection. " Is that not the same for any vaccine and/or natural immunity mediated response? Or are you of the opinion that only vaccine immunity is effective? | |||
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"Bullying from sanctimonious little Hitlers. I have a healthy immune system, I have had Covid twice, recovered in a day or two twice, I have absolutely zero risk of being hospitalised and taking up a bed that collie be used for gran or grandad. Yet I am pressured into taking something that has more risk to me than Covid, that will not stop me catching it and will not stop me passing it on. Why would I do that? Yes I didn’t know what was in vaccines I had as a kid, and yes I had them, and would still have them as the risk of those diereses outweigh the risk of the the vaccines. Yes I don’t know what would be in the medicine that would keep me alive in ICU if I did ever take that 0.0000001% chance and end up there. I wouldn’t care, as the risk of not taking the medicine would be greater (probably death) than taking it. Getting the vaccine is doing too it but for society. The biggest lie ever planted into the populations sub conscious by media and government. In the meantime the deity that is the NHS is too busy giving needless vaccine to healthy young people to be able to actually treat sick people and do procedures that will find cancers etc." In YOUR opinion | |||
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" You are making assumptions based on how you believe you will respond to another covid infection, the reality is you do not know how you will respond to another covid infection until you have that infection. " Why would it be any different? Please show me one medical or scientific fact, where catching the same or similar virus creates a vastly different outcome in the same individual? Even if it did, why would it suddenly go from feeling a bit rough for 36 hours to needing hospital treatment? If I was 10 years older, I would probably have the vaccine as my risk would be greater from Covid than the vaccine, as my own natural immunity may be lower, but I’m not, so no booster for me. | |||
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" In YOUR opinion" Yep, which I am entitled to, however what I am not doing is calling people that don’t share that opinion, selfish, granny killers, or forcing that opinion onto others that are different and bullying them. Like every single person pushing the vaccine is doing. | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure " So lung cancer caused by smoking? Type 2 diabetes caused by poor diet, heart issues caused by lack of exercise, sports injuries? The list could go on, all caused by personal choice? Why should this be different? | |||
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"Bullying from sanctimonious little Hitlers. I have a healthy immune system, I have had Covid twice, recovered in a day or two twice, I have absolutely zero risk of being hospitalised and taking up a bed that collie be used for gran or grandad. You are making assumptions based on how you believe you will respond to another covid infection, the reality is you do not know how you will respond to another covid infection until you have that infection. And the same logic applies to the risks involved with medications, vaccines and surgical procedures. Hence the reason we have always had a choice.
Believing you are stronger than a virus is not the same as taking preventative measures to ease the potential effect of a virus.
The first is a superiority complex, the second is considered on factual evidence."And taking preventive measures isn’t so limited restricted or definitive as you or others may think. Hence personal choice. | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure " Interesting point of view. If, as you suggest, unvaccinated have to pay for NHS care...what if an unvaccinated person goes into hospital and then catches COVID whilst in there from a vaccinated/unvaccinated member of staff or patient. Can they sue the NHS for negligence for not providing adequate protection? | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure So lung cancer caused by smoking? Type 2 diabetes caused by poor diet, heart issues caused by lack of exercise, sports injuries? The list could go on, all caused by personal choice? Why should this be different?" Well you can't catch Diabetes or Lung Cancer from another human being. Plus just cause someone smokes doesn't mean they will get cancer. Same as someone who gets diabetes with diet. They are able to make changes to avoid this. But COVID doesn't give the individual a choice does it? Like you point out earlier, this is MY OPINION, which I am perfectly entitled too. As you are yours. Peace and stay safe | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure " So does this apply to smokers, alcoholics, drug addicts, people who where d*unk and involved in a road crash, people who race motorbikes & fall off etc etc have a real long hard think about your discrimination based comments above !! there a good lad ! xoxo | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure So lung cancer caused by smoking? Type 2 diabetes caused by poor diet, heart issues caused by lack of exercise, sports injuries? The list could go on, all caused by personal choice? Why should this be different?" Tugs is only concerned about persecuting the unvaccinated. They are the root of all evil in his eyes. | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure Interesting point of view. If, as you suggest, unvaccinated have to pay for NHS care...what if an unvaccinated person goes into hospital and then catches COVID whilst in there from a vaccinated/unvaccinated member of staff or patient. Can they sue the NHS for negligence for not providing adequate protection?" Then if that was the case, that would be different, which I fully appreciate your point and a very good point. But not if it was just covid. Stay safe | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure So lung cancer caused by smoking? Type 2 diabetes caused by poor diet, heart issues caused by lack of exercise, sports injuries? The list could go on, all caused by personal choice? Why should this be different? Tugs is only concerned about persecuting the unvaccinated. They are the root of all evil in his eyes." Thank you that. So your not interested it the general safety of the sensible then who have done their share. ANTI VAX MUCH mate! You probably believe in tin helmets and stupid made up fake news. Science over the stupid anyday. Peace | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure " Like I've said everytime this ridiculous idea comes up. I'll gladly pay my nhs bill, if they refund me for all the years I've paid for a service I haven't used. So, now that I'm classed as unvaccinated, I'll gladly pay my bill when I receive my adjusted tax and NI amounts for the future and my refund for past 20+ years | |||
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" but if people dont want it thats there choice But it's a choice that affects other people. Unvaccinated people who catch covid are more likely to pass the virus on, and more likely to need hospital treatment, which takes time and resources away from someone else who might need them. " vaxxed can also catch it and spread it aswell as end up in hospital, | |||
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" but if people dont want it thats there choice But it's a choice that affects other people. Unvaccinated people who catch covid are more likely to pass the virus on, and more likely to need hospital treatment, which takes time and resources away from someone else who might need them. vaxxed can also catch it and spread it aswell as end up in hospital," Shhhhhh don’t tell them | |||
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"Bullying from sanctimonious little Hitlers. I have a healthy immune system, I have had Covid twice, recovered in a day or two twice, I have absolutely zero risk of being hospitalised and taking up a bed that collie be used for gran or grandad. You are making assumptions based on how you believe you will respond to another covid infection, the reality is you do not know how you will respond to another covid infection until you have that infection. And the same logic applies to the risks involved with medications, vaccines and surgical procedures. Hence the reason we have always had a choice.
Believing you are stronger than a virus is not the same as taking preventative measures to ease the potential effect of a virus.
The first is a superiority complex, the second is considered on factual evidence.
And taking preventive measures isn’t so limited restricted or definitive as you or others may think. Hence personal choice. "I'm all for personal choice, what I'm not for is someone spouting how being fit and healthy means covid is nothing to worry about. That smacks of an unbalanced view, thinking a virus takes notice of how you perceive yourself. Probability of coping better is good, but not guaranteed. Take the vaccine or don't, leave it at that. | |||
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" but if people dont want it thats there choice But it's a choice that affects other people. Unvaccinated people who catch covid are more likely to pass the virus on, and more likely to need hospital treatment, which takes time and resources away from someone else who might need them. vaxxed can also catch it and spread it aswell as end up in hospital," There's no point explaining the truth to you though ? | |||
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"And it continues trying to bully people into getting jabbed,ive had all 3 now but if people dont want it thats there choice.do people really think those who havent had it yet are gona be convinced by yet another report in a paper,only person i know who has now decided to get jabbed is only doing it for a holiday to the u.s next year" Who cares what the motivation for vaccination is, we are seeing lots come forward now that probably could have had it a year ago and have just decided to have it, no judgement needed, everyone has a right to make the decision based on an informed opinion | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/doctor-dismantles-typical-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-arguments-by-putting-forward-alternative-scenario-12501207 'Doctor dismantles typical COVID vaccine hesitancy arguments by putting forward alternative scenario' Then maybe we can all get back to normality so much sooner. "I listened to that , spot on I thought. if you are able to be jabbed do it! | |||
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"Well you can't catch Diabetes or Lung Cancer from another human being. Plus just cause someone smokes doesn't mean they will get cancer. Same as someone who gets diabetes with diet. They are able to make changes to avoid this. But COVID doesn't give the individual a choice does it? Like you point out earlier, this is MY OPINION, which I am perfectly entitled too. As you are yours. Peace and stay safe" Outside a tiny number of outliers Covid does give you a choice because lifestyle choices are one of the biggest factors in how much of a risk it is to you. People make the choices to become fat, to let their physical fitness get to a pathetic level etc. Your logic is extremely flawed and falls apart. | |||
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"Well you can't catch Diabetes or Lung Cancer from another human being. Plus just cause someone smokes doesn't mean they will get cancer. Same as someone who gets diabetes with diet. They are able to make changes to avoid this. But COVID doesn't give the individual a choice does it? Like you point out earlier, this is MY OPINION, which I am perfectly entitled too. As you are yours. Peace and stay safe Outside a tiny number of outliers Covid does give you a choice because lifestyle choices are one of the biggest factors in how much of a risk it is to you. People make the choices to become fat, to let their physical fitness get to a pathetic level etc. Your logic is extremely flawed and falls apart." It does, but its significantly easier pointing fingers at other people for what they are or are not doing (which takes no effort at all) and seems to fill some with righteous purpose... “To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice." somebody once said. | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure " | |||
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" but if people dont want it thats there choice But it's a choice that affects other people. Unvaccinated people who catch covid are more likely to pass the virus on, and more likely to need hospital treatment, which takes time and resources away from someone else who might need them. vaxxed can also catch it and spread it aswell as end up in hospital, There's no point explaining the truth to you though ?" explain what you want,ive had my jabs and booster for my own selfish reasons not for the greater good or to protect others or anything so nobel,but i think everyone has the right to choose to have it or not,like i said further up some pro vaxxers are just as vile as some anti vaxxers trying to influence people to take it or not take it are just as bad in my book | |||
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"Sorry - the selfish twats that don’t want a jab are holding beds for those that need it. I have seen both my parents on a ventilator and it’s awful to see (not covid and pre covid). Saw a stat that 9/11 icu beds in a south London hospital are with people that haven’t been vaxed At the moment London has about 2 mil not vaccinated- nearly everyone of them is a selfish twat. " A twat because they don't agree with you or your ideals Rational adult discussion doesn't have to boil down to name calling dies it | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure " Makes you wonder about the Dr's and nurses havent yet had their jabs doesn't it? | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure " Then all the obese that need hospital treatment should pay the bill also. Obesity is a lifestyle choice afterall. Or do you really believe when people say they are "big boned" | |||
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"'He said: "What I'd say to people who are still hesitant is that if you end up with COVID and end up in hospital, you need a cocktail of drugs in order to keep you alive when you come into intensive care, all of which have side effects. "The other thing to say is that people talk about the side effects with vaccines or that they're worried about things like clots," Dr Patrick added. "Well COVID can give you clots and people who come into hospital who are suffering from COVID will go onto medication to help stop their blood clotting to that extent. "So all this can be stopped by having the vaccine so if you're on the fence about it or still wondering I definitely recommend getting one." ' . I wonder if the anti vax people start refusing all the drugs that the ICU staff try and save them with. "I'd rather not get advice from a Junior Doctor who spends a lot of his time performing stand up comedy.... I'd go as far as to say that his article on sky is a joke in itself. There are other Doctors with a lot more experience warning about vaccine side effects, ie consultant cardiologists etc, so I will be more likely to listen to the experts and make informed choices on their information than someone who focuses on stand up comedy....what a joke | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure Then all the obese that need hospital treatment should pay the bill also. Obesity is a lifestyle choice afterall. Or do you really believe when people say they are "big boned" " The 'big-boned' excuse cracks me up. | |||
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"I think, yes it up to the individual. But I also think that if unvaccinated go into hospital with covid then they should pay the NHS bill, it was their choice. And many, many, many people are starting to feel the same. I listened to what this DOCTOR had to say. (not a google doctor) Perfect sense. Many wont have the vaccine but will pump themselves full of enough Botox and other crap to make themselves look like a fish with massive lips. Go figure Then all the obese that need hospital treatment should pay the bill also. Obesity is a lifestyle choice afterall. Or do you really believe when people say they are "big boned" " My wife has PCOS, where one of the side effects is her metabolism and ability to break down sugar is hindered, causing her to be classed as overweight. Should she be stopped medical treatment if admitted to hospital? | |||
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"This is our normality, covid is a virus which will mutate to survive. Covid is a virus that makes people ill - we have seen from world figures that it has made many many many people ill - Many have ended up in hospital blocking beds that Gran and Dad and your Daughter and Son and your Wife or Husband desperately need for cancer care Hip replacements and a million other things that a vaccine can't protect from. It's incredibly simple to understand. " Sadly Cat, there are those who continually prove themselves to be simpler!  | |||
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"'He said: "What I'd say to people who are still hesitant is that if you end up with COVID and end up in hospital, you need a cocktail of drugs in order to keep you alive when you come into intensive care, all of which have side effects. "The other thing to say is that people talk about the side effects with vaccines or that they're worried about things like clots," Dr Patrick added. "Well COVID can give you clots and people who come into hospital who are suffering from COVID will go onto medication to help stop their blood clotting to that extent. "So all this can be stopped by having the vaccine so if you're on the fence about it or still wondering I definitely recommend getting one." ' . I wonder if the anti vax people start refusing all the drugs that the ICU staff try and save them with.
I'd rather not get advice from a Junior Doctor who spends a lot of his time performing stand up comedy....
I'd go as far as to say that his article on sky is a joke in itself.
There are other Doctors with a lot more experience warning about vaccine side effects, ie consultant cardiologists etc, so I will be more likely to listen to the experts and make informed choices on their information than someone who focuses on stand up comedy....what a joke "The media are more hesitant to discuss warnings about vaccine side effects than 'anti-vaxxers' are to take the vaccine. | |||
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"'He said: "What I'd say to people who are still hesitant is that if you end up with COVID and end up in hospital, you need a cocktail of drugs in order to keep you alive when you come into intensive care, all of which have side effects. "The other thing to say is that people talk about the side effects with vaccines or that they're worried about things like clots," Dr Patrick added. "Well COVID can give you clots and people who come into hospital who are suffering from COVID will go onto medication to help stop their blood clotting to that extent. "So all this can be stopped by having the vaccine so if you're on the fence about it or still wondering I definitely recommend getting one." ' . I wonder if the anti vax people start refusing all the drugs that the ICU staff try and save them with.
I'd rather not get advice from a Junior Doctor who spends a lot of his time performing stand up comedy....
I'd go as far as to say that his article on sky is a joke in itself.
There are other Doctors with a lot more experience warning about vaccine side effects, ie consultant cardiologists etc, so I will be more likely to listen to the experts and make informed choices on their information than someone who focuses on stand up comedy....what a joke
The media are more hesitant to discuss warnings about vaccine side effects than 'anti-vaxxers' are to take the vaccine."Because the bulk of current science puts the individual risk:public health reward ratio to be well in favour of vaccination. Ultimately right now it’s not in anyone’s best interest for the media to publicly murk the waters with any discussion that might increase vaccine hesitancy. Media have to behave responsibly and without new evidence coming to light that significantly changes the risk:reward then being responsible means taking a pro vaccine stance | |||
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" Because the bulk of current science puts the individual risk:public health reward ratio to be well in favour of vaccination. Ultimately right now it’s not in anyone’s best interest for the media to publicly murk the waters with any discussion that might increase vaccine hesitancy. Media have to behave responsibly and without new evidence coming to light that significantly changes the risk:reward then being responsible means taking a pro vaccine stance" Hiding severe side effects is not behaving responsibly. | |||
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