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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas" Well with so called freedom protesters and self entitled people just ignoring guidelines is there any surprises? | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas" Not a surprise, it's all political arse covering now. | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas" Of course there's no guarantees, how can there be? If he said there'll definitely be no lockdown or further restrictions before xmas and then there was a huge increase in hospitalisations or deaths which forced them to introduce restrictions, they'd be slated. If they said we're going to introduce tighter restrictions now they'd be slated for spoiling xmas. The government is currently in a no win situation. | |||
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"But we all know this as nothing can be guaranteed. On a personal level I think it's highly unlikely any further restrictions will be made before Christmas, Between Christmas and New Year I fully expect there to be new restrictions in place however. " Me too | |||
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"I'm sure we'll be allowed to have New year parties, imagine if the government said they were banned? " I’m kind of thinking they will cancel New Years Eve ![]() | |||
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"I'm sure we'll be allowed to have New year parties, imagine if the government said they were banned? " I genuinely believe no laws will be put in place just strong "advice". So for example I think they will say you can have a Christmas or New Year's party but you shouldn't. That's pretty much the message at the moment. | |||
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"Be your own leader !" We can all make personal decisions but obviously if something is declared into law unless someone has some form of exemption like with face coverings or some travel arrangements then we have no option but to follow them. | |||
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"But we all know this as nothing can be guaranteed. On a personal level I think it's highly unlikely any further restrictions will be made before Christmas, Between Christmas and New Year I fully expect there to be new restrictions in place however. " I take it Xmas is more important than an overwhelmed NHS...how feckin ridiculous ![]() | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas Well with so called freedom protesters and self entitled people just ignoring guidelines is there any surprises?" ![]() | |||
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"But we all know this as nothing can be guaranteed. On a personal level I think it's highly unlikely any further restrictions will be made before Christmas, Between Christmas and New Year I fully expect there to be new restrictions in place however. I take it Xmas is more important than an overwhelmed NHS...how feckin ridiculous ![]() for the last 10 years the NHS has been overrun this time of year, stop blaming us and sort it out. It's not protesters but politicians that are to blame for the short falls in the NHS | |||
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"But we all know this as nothing can be guaranteed. On a personal level I think it's highly unlikely any further restrictions will be made before Christmas, Between Christmas and New Year I fully expect there to be new restrictions in place however. I take it Xmas is more important than an overwhelmed NHS...how feckin ridiculous ![]() Ok I give up...let's see what happens a week or so after the ""most wonderful time of the year"...it wont be a shortfall, it'll be a total collapse...all because of turkey and sprouts...well done everyone. ![]() | |||
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"What I don’t understand is, after the experience with all previous variants, why doesn’t the government shut the borders and lockdown for 3 weeks as soon as the first case of the new variant comes up? Obviously, it would need to be followed by super strong control measures for people arriving into the country….." Don't be silly, that makes too much sense xx | |||
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"What I don’t understand is, after the experience with all previous variants, why doesn’t the government shut the borders and lockdown for 3 weeks as soon as the first case of the new variant comes up? Obviously, it would need to be followed by super strong control measures for people arriving into the country….." The public want their sprouts | |||
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"The problem I think is the fear factor of covid has gone so this time with Christmas there creating panic so large percentage of the population get jabbed " Vaccines don't work instantly though. So people will be mixing before it's effective. | |||
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"But we all know this as nothing can be guaranteed. On a personal level I think it's highly unlikely any further restrictions will be made before Christmas, Between Christmas and New Year I fully expect there to be new restrictions in place however. I take it Xmas is more important than an overwhelmed NHS...how feckin ridiculous ![]() What is ridiculous is people panicking over this when we don't know if we even need to. Yes of course people will get sick we all know this however there are other consequences to locking down that cannot be ignored. | |||
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"I'm sure we'll be allowed to have New year parties, imagine if the government said they were banned? I’m kind of thinking they will cancel New Years Eve ![]() Yep | |||
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"Be your own leader ! ![]() Obviously you didn't hear that common sense is overrated, as it doesn't seem to have worked in the past. | |||
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"Be your own leader ! ![]() Considering that the actual numbers are always much lower than SAGE apocalyptic predictions either people do have good judgement or the modelling is very inaccurate | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas" Maybe let the public nominate their favourite restriction then have a vote. I’ll go for taping off park benches - that must’ve saved untold lives. Oh and golf too, can’t have folk playing an already socially distanced sport | |||
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"I'm sure we'll be allowed to have New year parties, imagine if the government said they were banned? I’m kind of thinking they will cancel New Years Eve ![]() They can't cancel New Year's Eve. It happens whether there's a lockdown or not. Sane as New Year's Day. That'll happen irrespective if you get out of bed or not | |||
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"I'm sure we'll be allowed to have New year parties, imagine if the government said they were banned? I’m kind of thinking they will cancel New Years Eve ![]() I mean any kind of socialising from New Years Eve, well probably after Boxing Day, obviously the day will still exist, well hopefully ![]() | |||
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"I'm sure we'll be allowed to have New year parties, imagine if the government said they were banned? I’m kind of thinking they will cancel New Years Eve ![]() ![]() Just saying because like a lot of things said on here, if you say things like that then it'll grow exponentially into that we'll never get out of 2021. | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas Maybe let the public nominate their favourite restriction then have a vote. I’ll go for taping off park benches - that must’ve saved untold lives. Oh and golf too, can’t have folk playing an already socially distanced sport " Hahaha classic. We’re going to go for taping off alternating sinks in public toilets ![]() | |||
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"Another good one : No beermats" Hahaha yes! | |||
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" We’re going to go for taping off alternating sinks in public toilets ![]() I went to a restaurant toilet with two sinks. One was taped off. The accessible one had no taps. The one with taps was taped off. | |||
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" We’re going to go for taping off alternating sinks in public toilets ![]() Genius haha. | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas Well with so called freedom protesters and self entitled people just ignoring guidelines is there any surprises?" You mean like the conservative party from the offset? If you can't lead by example, you can't lead. I blame no one for ignoring guidelines after the many cases of leading cabinet members doing whatever the fuck they wanted. The blame is squarely at their door and my xmas and new year plans won't be altered whatever guidance is issued. We'll do as we have done throughout, test and isolate if necessary. | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas Maybe let the public nominate their favourite restriction then have a vote. I’ll go for taping off park benches - that must’ve saved untold lives. Oh and golf too, can’t have folk playing an already socially distanced sport Hahaha classic. We’re going to go for taping off alternating sinks in public toilets ![]() Our town thought it sensible to close a busy high street to cars, y'know cause of all the car to people transmission of COVID ![]() | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas Well with so called freedom protesters and self entitled people just ignoring guidelines is there any surprises?" ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas Maybe let the public nominate their favourite restriction then have a vote. I’ll go for taping off park benches - that must’ve saved untold lives. Oh and golf too, can’t have folk playing an already socially distanced sport Hahaha classic. We’re going to go for taping off alternating sinks in public toilets ![]() ![]() Was that to create a pedestrian area? So that people could social distance and not be crammed together on the footpaths? ![]() | |||
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"Personally I think some of the government are fed up with the ‘wankers of doom’ - Whitty and Vallance who roll out their graphs and charts and may I add none of them have ever been correct these last 21 months ! - in fact I’m still waiting for the 4,000 hospitalisations and 1,000 deaths a day they predicted after restrictions were lifted in July ! If we don’t have bodies stacked up on the streets ready to burn - what is it Ferguson said this week, 5,000 deaths a day - then the scientists will be proven wrong (yet again) and if we do have mass burnings of bodies then it’s all our fault ! " You say the graphs haven't been correct but they are showing actual real time data. I think you mean some of the projections have been incorrect. They were not predicted by witty and valance but by other scientists witty and valance are just chief advisers not sole decision makers. Also I am no supporter of this government however they can't win. They have been criticised in the past for not acting quickly so some would say maybe they have learned a lesson | |||
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"Personally I think some of the government are fed up with the ‘wankers of doom’ - Whitty and Vallance who roll out their graphs and charts and may I add none of them have ever been correct these last 21 months ! - in fact I’m still waiting for the 4,000 hospitalisations and 1,000 deaths a day they predicted after restrictions were lifted in July ! If we don’t have bodies stacked up on the streets ready to burn - what is it Ferguson said this week, 5,000 deaths a day - then the scientists will be proven wrong (yet again) and if we do have mass burnings of bodies then it’s all our fault ! " I do think that the way things are has pushed the govt into a corner. There's no way to say for certain whether any restrictions brought in actually save lives (especially in the long term). __ SAGE say X amount of deaths will occur if certain measures aren't imposed. Should the govt not bow to pressure then however many do occur the scientists can turn round and say that a number could of been prevented and now the govt has blood on its hands. However if measures are brought in (for example Lockdown) and Y deaths occur they can pat themselves on the back and say that they have saved lives. The pressure of government is that by not taking action they can be seen to be being reckless with their electorates health, which will bite them at the arse at election time. ____ Unfortunately both these scenarios ignore the collateral damage that occurs by shutting down the country and the economy. The other issue is that there is the possibility that SAGE and the govt become the boys who cried WOLF. As (to date) none of the terrible predictions have come true there could come a point where the masses stop listening, which could be risky should a truly dangerous variant or disease occur. | |||
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"Personally I think some of the government are fed up with the ‘wankers of doom’ - Whitty and Vallance who roll out their graphs and charts and may I add none of them have ever been correct these last 21 months ! - in fact I’m still waiting for the 4,000 hospitalisations and 1,000 deaths a day they predicted after restrictions were lifted in July ! If we don’t have bodies stacked up on the streets ready to burn - what is it Ferguson said this week, 5,000 deaths a day - then the scientists will be proven wrong (yet again) and if we do have mass burnings of bodies then it’s all our fault ! I do think that the way things are has pushed the govt into a corner. There's no way to say for certain whether any restrictions brought in actually save lives (especially in the long term). __ SAGE say X amount of deaths will occur if certain measures aren't imposed. Should the govt not bow to pressure then however many do occur the scientists can turn round and say that a number could of been prevented and now the govt has blood on its hands. However if measures are brought in (for example Lockdown) and Y deaths occur they can pat themselves on the back and say that they have saved lives. The pressure of government is that by not taking action they can be seen to be being reckless with their electorates health, which will bite them at the arse at election time. ____ Unfortunately both these scenarios ignore the collateral damage that occurs by shutting down the country and the economy. The other issue is that there is the possibility that SAGE and the govt become the boys who cried WOLF. As (to date) none of the terrible predictions have come true there could come a point where the masses stop listening, which could be risky should a truly dangerous variant or disease occur." I didn’t like the way that Whitty rubbished the South African doctors who have been asking why tyecUK has been acting like headless scared chickens ! South Africa have a population around 61 million, similar to ours, they have a vaccination success of 30 percent, we are just under 90%, they have had hardly any deaths from Omricon but if we don’t get our boosters then it’s 5,000 a day deaths for us. Also when you look at South Africa, supposedly a third-world country, a dire healthcare system compared to our NHS and a low vaccination rate compared to the UK, yet only 90,000 deaths compared to our 150,000 based on a similar population - makes you think ! | |||
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"Personally I think some of the government are fed up with the ‘wankers of doom’ - Whitty and Vallance who roll out their graphs and charts and may I add none of them have ever been correct these last 21 months ! - in fact I’m still waiting for the 4,000 hospitalisations and 1,000 deaths a day they predicted after restrictions were lifted in July ! If we don’t have bodies stacked up on the streets ready to burn - what is it Ferguson said this week, 5,000 deaths a day - then the scientists will be proven wrong (yet again) and if we do have mass burnings of bodies then it’s all our fault ! I do think that the way things are has pushed the govt into a corner. There's no way to say for certain whether any restrictions brought in actually save lives (especially in the long term). __ SAGE say X amount of deaths will occur if certain measures aren't imposed. Should the govt not bow to pressure then however many do occur the scientists can turn round and say that a number could of been prevented and now the govt has blood on its hands. However if measures are brought in (for example Lockdown) and Y deaths occur they can pat themselves on the back and say that they have saved lives. The pressure of government is that by not taking action they can be seen to be being reckless with their electorates health, which will bite them at the arse at election time. ____ Unfortunately both these scenarios ignore the collateral damage that occurs by shutting down the country and the economy. The other issue is that there is the possibility that SAGE and the govt become the boys who cried WOLF. As (to date) none of the terrible predictions have come true there could come a point where the masses stop listening, which could be risky should a truly dangerous variant or disease occur. I didn’t like the way that Whitty rubbished the South African doctors who have been asking why tyecUK has been acting like headless scared chickens ! South Africa have a population around 61 million, similar to ours, they have a vaccination success of 30 percent, we are just under 90%, they have had hardly any deaths from Omricon but if we don’t get our boosters then it’s 5,000 a day deaths for us. Also when you look at South Africa, supposedly a third-world country, a dire healthcare system compared to our NHS and a low vaccination rate compared to the UK, yet only 90,000 deaths compared to our 150,000 based on a similar population - makes you think !" It is the died within 28 days that is exaggerating our numbers. | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas Maybe let the public nominate their favourite restriction then have a vote. I’ll go for taping off park benches - that must’ve saved untold lives. Oh and golf too, can’t have folk playing an already socially distanced sport Hahaha classic. We’re going to go for taping off alternating sinks in public toilets ![]() ![]() ![]() Nope, buses still were allowed to use it and it was that badly sign posted that by time most saw the signs, it was too late to turn. Made zero sense at all and just caused lots of congestion everywhere else. | |||
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"Personally I think some of the government are fed up with the ‘wankers of doom’ - Whitty and Vallance who roll out their graphs and charts and may I add none of them have ever been correct these last 21 months ! - in fact I’m still waiting for the 4,000 hospitalisations and 1,000 deaths a day they predicted after restrictions were lifted in July ! If we don’t have bodies stacked up on the streets ready to burn - what is it Ferguson said this week, 5,000 deaths a day - then the scientists will be proven wrong (yet again) and if we do have mass burnings of bodies then it’s all our fault ! I do think that the way things are has pushed the govt into a corner. There's no way to say for certain whether any restrictions brought in actually save lives (especially in the long term). __ SAGE say X amount of deaths will occur if certain measures aren't imposed. Should the govt not bow to pressure then however many do occur the scientists can turn round and say that a number could of been prevented and now the govt has blood on its hands. However if measures are brought in (for example Lockdown) and Y deaths occur they can pat themselves on the back and say that they have saved lives. The pressure of government is that by not taking action they can be seen to be being reckless with their electorates health, which will bite them at the arse at election time. ____ Unfortunately both these scenarios ignore the collateral damage that occurs by shutting down the country and the economy. The other issue is that there is the possibility that SAGE and the govt become the boys who cried WOLF. As (to date) none of the terrible predictions have come true there could come a point where the masses stop listening, which could be risky should a truly dangerous variant or disease occur. I didn’t like the way that Whitty rubbished the South African doctors who have been asking why tyecUK has been acting like headless scared chickens ! South Africa have a population around 61 million, similar to ours, they have a vaccination success of 30 percent, we are just under 90%, they have had hardly any deaths from Omricon but if we don’t get our boosters then it’s 5,000 a day deaths for us. Also when you look at South Africa, supposedly a third-world country, a dire healthcare system compared to our NHS and a low vaccination rate compared to the UK, yet only 90,000 deaths compared to our 150,000 based on a similar population - makes you think !" Makes you think S Africa are lying about the severity of this variant, as they don't want their tourism trade to go tits-up ![]() | |||
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" It is the died within 28 days that is exaggerating our numbers." Times from infection/testing positive to death ranges from 2-8 weeks, what time scale would you use to measure deaths ? How many people recover from Covid, leave hospital and die in 28 days as a matter of interest ? | |||
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" It is the died within 28 days that is exaggerating our numbers. Times from infection/testing positive to death ranges from 2-8 weeks, what time scale would you use to measure deaths ? How many people recover from Covid, leave hospital and die in 28 days as a matter of interest ?" In the Elderly, especially those in social care - a significant minority. It's not rocket science to correct the numbers to only leave those that actually died of Covid. | |||
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"Personally I think some of the government are fed up with the ‘wankers of doom’ - Whitty and Vallance who roll out their graphs and charts and may I add none of them have ever been correct these last 21 months ! - in fact I’m still waiting for the 4,000 hospitalisations and 1,000 deaths a day they predicted after restrictions were lifted in July ! If we don’t have bodies stacked up on the streets ready to burn - what is it Ferguson said this week, 5,000 deaths a day - then the scientists will be proven wrong (yet again) and if we do have mass burnings of bodies then it’s all our fault ! I do think that the way things are has pushed the govt into a corner. There's no way to say for certain whether any restrictions brought in actually save lives (especially in the long term). __ SAGE say X amount of deaths will occur if certain measures aren't imposed. Should the govt not bow to pressure then however many do occur the scientists can turn round and say that a number could of been prevented and now the govt has blood on its hands. However if measures are brought in (for example Lockdown) and Y deaths occur they can pat themselves on the back and say that they have saved lives. The pressure of government is that by not taking action they can be seen to be being reckless with their electorates health, which will bite them at the arse at election time. ____ Unfortunately both these scenarios ignore the collateral damage that occurs by shutting down the country and the economy. The other issue is that there is the possibility that SAGE and the govt become the boys who cried WOLF. As (to date) none of the terrible predictions have come true there could come a point where the masses stop listening, which could be risky should a truly dangerous variant or disease occur. I didn’t like the way that Whitty rubbished the South African doctors who have been asking why tyecUK has been acting like headless scared chickens ! South Africa have a population around 61 million, similar to ours, they have a vaccination success of 30 percent, we are just under 90%, they have had hardly any deaths from Omricon but if we don’t get our boosters then it’s 5,000 a day deaths for us. Also when you look at South Africa, supposedly a third-world country, a dire healthcare system compared to our NHS and a low vaccination rate compared to the UK, yet only 90,000 deaths compared to our 150,000 based on a similar population - makes you think ! Makes you think S Africa are lying about the severity of this variant, as they don't want their tourism trade to go tits-up ![]() Or we're just panicking at the moment without knowing how sick people are going to get but the early evidence is very much suggesting this is a milder infection than Delta for most people | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas" The press ask leading questions to illicit the answer they want. If they asked, can you say for sure that we WILL need more restrictions before the end of the year, he wouldn't be able to guarantee that either... but the headline isn't as sentational. | |||
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"The main problem now is not hospitalizations it's people isolating for 10 days so things like trains may not be able to run hospital workers not in work ect . The 10 day isolation think is extreme, you should be able to go ba to work once your lateral flow test is negative. Forget lockdowns they don't work!!;;" I love that comment, it's the most inaccurate slogan since British Rail said "we're getting there." Lockdowns are put in place specifically to bring down cases and therefore, hospitalisations. They have done precisely that on every occasion - they work perfectly. | |||
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"Said there's no guarantee new covid restrictions can be avoided before Christmas Not a surprise, it's all political arse covering now." Well Saj is a banker….. not a health based person… so if every the banker isn’t committed to no new restrictions and compromise an economy… that does not bode well! | |||
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"thus the government locking the stable door after yet another horse has bolted." So perhaps enlighten us as to what you might have done?? | |||
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"I was listening to Javid earlier today, he is still blaming the unvaccinated for the rising infections even when the fully vaccinated can contract and transmit the virus. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means but it's almost like they are attempting to divert attention away from the efficacy of the vaccine being questioned particularly since the majority of the population are fully vaccinated. " Even though vaccinated people can still catch & spread the virus, they do both at a reduced rate. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it, or pass it in if they do. Cal | |||
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"I was listening to Javid earlier today, he is still blaming the unvaccinated for the rising infections even when the fully vaccinated can contract and transmit the virus. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means but it's almost like they are attempting to divert attention away from the efficacy of the vaccine being questioned particularly since the majority of the population are fully vaccinated. Even though vaccinated people can still catch & spread the virus, they do both at a reduced rate. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it, or pass it in if they do. Cal" WTF! Who told you that...not Karen again...? | |||
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"I was listening to Javid earlier today, he is still blaming the unvaccinated for the rising infections even when the fully vaccinated can contract and transmit the virus. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means but it's almost like they are attempting to divert attention away from the efficacy of the vaccine being questioned particularly since the majority of the population are fully vaccinated. Even though vaccinated people can still catch & spread the virus, they do both at a reduced rate. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it, or pass it in if they do. Cal WTF! Who told you that...not Karen again...?" That is well known by now after all the different pieces of research that has been doing… problem is it doesn’t suit one side’s narrative to believe | |||
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"But we all know this as nothing can be guaranteed. On a personal level I think it's highly unlikely any further restrictions will be made before Christmas, Between Christmas and New Year I fully expect there to be new restrictions in place however. " That’s a shame as a lot of people now enjoy living under restrictions | |||
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