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By *akie32 OP   Man
over a year ago

winchester

Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bexley

Even those who came up with the 'rules' and impose the laws don't always follow them and still aren't as we've seen countless times.

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By *ola81Woman
over a year ago

pond


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?"

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Even if we had followed the rules and beaten Covid19 we would be starting over again with it due to the arrival of the Omicron variant

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By *akie32 OP   Man
over a year ago

winchester

i know people who have deliberatly not followed the rules, thier point being that the sooner we all gain natural immunity the better, maybe that is a better way, i dont know?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

you will not stop a virus whatever you do unless everyone in the whole world isolated for a couple of weeks all at the same time and that could never happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?"

All the rules were only ever intended to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed.

You can't 'beat' nature.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

No is the simple answer.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"you will not stop a virus whatever you do unless everyone in the whole world isolated for a couple of weeks all at the same time and that could never happen."

While the whole world is isolating could we all try jumping up and down at the same time to see if it changes the earth's orbit ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my experience 99% of people have blindly followed all the rules. I think governments and people have to accept you can't control a virus, but governments now have to be seen to be doing something every time cases go up or there's a scary new variant.

The virus will do its thing, it will mutate and get weaker over time, people will get it and a tiny percentage of them will sadly die. The idea of 'zero COVID' is bonkers, as New Zealand has proven.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"i know people who have deliberatly not followed the rules, thier point being that the sooner we all gain natural immunity the better, maybe that is a better way, i dont know?"

No it is not a better way. The idea of "everyone catch it, gain natural immunity" can be better described as "everyone catch it, the ones who are going to die will be gone sooner, the survivors will have immunity". The only people that suggest this are the ones who are certain that they will be in the survivor group, and don't give a shit about all the ones in the dead and disabled groups. And yes, at least half the government making the rules are total sociopaths who are perfectly happy with lots of people dying as long as it isn't them.

All the UK method has done is maximise the casualties.

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By *ola81Woman
over a year ago

pond


"you will not stop a virus whatever you do unless everyone in the whole world isolated for a couple of weeks all at the same time and that could never happen."

Well Australia is in a strict lick down noone can get in or out so how come they have the new Moronic variant? Pure manipulation.

If just people switched off for a month all TV, radio, social media, papers... guess what nobody would live in a fear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you will not stop a virus whatever you do unless everyone in the whole world isolated for a couple of weeks all at the same time and that could never happen.

Well Australia is in a strict lick down noone can get in or out so how come they have the new Moronic variant? Pure manipulation.

If just people switched off for a month all TV, radio, social media, papers... guess what

nobody would live in a fear. "

but you MUST keep your media streams open at all times! Otherwise how will you become informed of all the new frightening variants, statistics, graphs, experts and rules issued?!

Just another 2 weeks to flatten the curve and 15 million jabs to freedom. C'mon! We're nearly there.....oh and show your papers when asked by the nice man in uniform or by the bloke bouncing the door at your local club....or by your boss....or by the airline... or

by the hairdresser....and soon to be by the checkout operator at safebury's...the bus conductor...train guard.

Look just get with the programme and get jabbed ok! It's your body but someone else's choice ok!! ....read my lips NEW NORMAL .. duuhh

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

nope, this would only work by closing down and stopping anyone arriving from other countries. no one leaves and no one arrives.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics. "

Sad times indeed when so many suffer from misplaced paranoia

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

all around

We collectively did enough to limit the deaths until the vaccine was available and we have got back to near enough normal because of that, there's still plenty of infections and we could take control of our own destiny to limit the spread but a there's always a handful of people that need to make a song and dance and make fools out if themselves and kill innocent people by spreading both bullshit and covid

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By *orty-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Leyland

The short answer is no.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We've not had particularly clear, nor effective rules for much of the time since the start of the pandemic, so total adherence to them would not alone have stopped the virus from ravaging so many lives, the economy etc.

Perhaps commitment and full adherence was 1 thing. But management and strategy overall have significantly greater impacts.

Deciding the wrong things and doing anything too slowly - as they did very consistently - has enormous impact.

When other European countries, like Italy, were overwhelmed, we had the luxury of a notice period, giving us time to protect our borders. We chose not to. Hundreds of individual people then brought the virus in to multiple places, creating separate hot beds where the virus seeded itself around.

After welcoming it in, we then created the culture for it to spread.

I think public adherence in 2020 was fairly good. When we had rapid exponential growth in infection numbers, where they were doubling every 3 of 4 days.we had some potential to reduce the rate of growth. But decisions outside of the hands of the public, such as releasing many infected people into care homes, took the infection out to the public. Via the poor staff etc who were given little to no choice over any protection or their well-being.

Any 1 infections could lead to a dead end but often didn't. Last winter poorer families were forced to lose income and not to be able to afford to feed their families, pay for heating etc, because they were given the mandate to have to work, if possibly infected. Government chose to not protect the country by not funding to keep people isolated. The public were lambs for the slaughter.

It's not words that should be used to understand their intent, but their behaviour. Without top down desire for a different outcome, it would not happen. They did not act to get us a drastically different result.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

No. Covid is in every country, even those that have been locked down and shut off from the world for two years.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics. "

As you say, common sense is dead.

Mostly in your comment. Doesn't even pass the sniff test.

Winston

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The rules are primarily to try and stop the spread and limit the impact on the NHS. It won't stop the virus.

The NHS's capacity was not designed for a global pandemic so when a hospital is full of dying or critically ill covid patients, those with cancer, heart failure, accident victims, physically abused children, etc etc are dying in ambulances.

So whilst we can all go "Yippee" when an unvaccinated Covid-19 person leaves ICU after 10 days we should spare a thought for those that died from other causes over which they had no control in ambulances and at home because the covid patient blocked an icu bed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The rules are primarily to try and stop the spread and limit the impact on the NHS. It won't stop the virus.

The NHS's capacity was not designed for a global pandemic so when a hospital is full of dying or critically ill covid patients, those with cancer, heart failure, accident victims, physically abused children, etc etc are dying in ambulances.

So whilst we can all go "Yippee" when an unvaccinated Covid-19 person leaves ICU after 10 days we should spare a thought for those that died from other causes over which they had no control in ambulances and at home because the covid patient blocked an icu bed. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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We collectively did enough to limit the deaths until the vaccine was available and we have got back to near enough normal because of that, there's still plenty of infections and we could take control of our own destiny to limit the spread but a there's always a handful of people that need to make a song and dance and make fools out if themselves and kill innocent people by spreading both bullshit and covid"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No is the simple answer."

There is no simple answer is it much more nuanced than that.

Would we have eradicated the virus?

No - not much chance of that until we have much better vaccines and the whole world is vaccinated and it has much less chance of mutating.

Would we reduce the burden on the NHS?

Yes - as stated above that was the whole purpose of the exercise. Yhe problem is ghat this approach demands that those who likely won’t even need the NHS if they get sick have to make changes for the greater good. As we see daily in these forums - some in society will resist that for whatever reasons justify the actions in their minds.

But it is easy for ‘armchair generals’ to comment on a forum. Much harder to make the policies, ensure consistent application, balance enforcement with keeping an electorate happy, whilst at the same time avoiding socioeconomic catastrophe.

But yes, i think with the benefit of armchair hindsight, swifter, more rigorous and lengthier adherence to “the rules” would have saved a few more lives.

But we’d still have covid. We’ll still have it in a decade so we better adapt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics. "

Can you please post some links to credible sources that outline these theories and scientific evidence of their basis.

I’v just taken delivery of a new iPhone. It has 5G so I need to make sure it is safe to switch on.

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By *melia DominaTV/TS
over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)

This virus is like any other virus. It will mutate year on year and a newer vaccine will be required year on year.

Virus and diseases are two different thing.

A disease can be eradicated with vaccination. Small pox, polio etc.

A virus can only be controlled and hopefully become less dangerous as it mutates.

You don't see the flu being eradicated anytime soon do you!!

Covid will become the same as flu hopefully over time..

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By *weetandHungMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?"

Even if we followed the rules OP this will never ever disappear.

It’s like other viruses eg colds they never disappear neither will this, we can have as many vaccines/boosters as we like it still be here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This virus is like any other virus. It will mutate year on year and a newer vaccine will be required year on year.

Virus and diseases are two different thing.

A disease can be eradicated with vaccination. Small pox, polio etc.

A virus can only be controlled and hopefully become less dangerous as it mutates.

You don't see the flu being eradicated anytime soon do you!!

Covid will become the same as flu hopefully over time.."

I'm hoping the Omicron will be the mutation we need. Highly contagious but not lethal anymore.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics.

Sad times indeed when so many suffer from misplaced paranoia "

These paranoid people have always existed. We used to laugh at them for their ridiculous ideas. Now we laugh at the gullible who once did the laughing at crackpots.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


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These paranoid people have always existed. We used to laugh at them for their ridiculous ideas. Now we laugh at the gullible who once did the laughing at crackpots. "

If only some of the paranoid brigade could see that they have literally bought into paranoia ready culture through their own obsession with having the latest technology at their fingertips. If they hadn't, they probably would even be aware of the things they are paranoid about.

Entertaining world we live in!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics. "

100% on the money & well said.., hope some more of the asleep will wake up very soon to what is really going on !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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We collectively did enough to limit the deaths until the vaccine was available and we have got back to near enough normal because of that, there's still plenty of infections and we could take control of our own destiny to limit the spread but a there's always a handful of people that need to make a song and dance and make fools out if themselves and kill innocent people by spreading both bullshit and covid"

Including yourselves!!

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics.

100% on the money & well said.., hope some more of the asleep will wake up very soon to what is really going on !! "

I have to laugh at comments like this. Walking through a shopping centre this morning and who was who wasn't wearing facemasks? Young "jack the lads" and people who looked a bit simple...you know the type...

Are these the "awake" people?

I mix with well educated people. Those that went to uni and spent a lot of time studying and doing research (before Facebook was invented and the web was in its infancy). Many of these with strong scientific backgrounds. One works at a lab and does the analysis of samples of covid. They are all pro-vaccine. They all stuck to the restrictions. Are you suggesting that they are all asleep?!? Comedy!

Do yourself a favour and stop reading conspiracy nonsense.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics.

100% on the money & well said.., hope some more of the asleep will wake up very soon to what is really going on !! "

What's really going on?

I thought the 160 odd countries all over the world were suffering from a global pandemic, that killed tens of thousands and permanently damaged the health of thousands more.

And that the world's governments had thrown billions at finding a vaccine, created by the world's most renowned scientists and researchers pooling their knowledge and resources to develop that vaccine.

Or is there something else going on I'm not privy to?

Winston

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By *ristoltony40Man
over a year ago

bristol

Rules are made to be broken , ask Boris

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"Rules are made to be broken , ask Boris "

What an educated response.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...


"Rules are made to be broken , ask Boris "

Anyone who uses one persons failure to follow the rules to justify their own rule breaking is a fool.

Winston

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rules are made to be broken , ask Boris

Anyone who uses one persons failure to follow the rules to justify their own rule breaking is a fool.

Winston"

So many lemmings.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"Rules are made to be broken , ask Boris

Anyone who uses one persons failure to follow the rules to justify their own rule breaking is a fool.

Winston

So many lemmings. "

As in ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rules are made to be broken , ask Boris

Anyone who uses one persons failure to follow the rules to justify their own rule breaking is a fool.

Winston

So many lemmings.

As in ?"

Google 'lemmings'

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"Rules are made to be broken , ask Boris

Anyone who uses one persons failure to follow the rules to justify their own rule breaking is a fool.

Winston

So many lemmings.

As in ?

Google 'lemmings'"

I know what lemmings are I was just wondering what the comment is supposed to mean ?

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...


"Rules are made to be broken , ask Boris

Anyone who uses one persons failure to follow the rules to justify their own rule breaking is a fool.

Winston

So many lemmings. "

Yup. The whole one rule for them, one rule for us line is nonsense.

Theres one rule for everyone.

That some people choose to ignore them doesn't release me from my obligation to follow the rules.

It doesn't give me an excuse to break the rules.

And if my perception is that it does, I'm a fool.

As my dear departed mum would have said, "if I stuck my head in a gas oven........."

Winston

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By *weetandHungMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I see you now need a test prior to flying abroad 1 before you come back and 1 2 days after landing.

Why get 3 jabs pathetic

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...


"I see you now need a test prior to flying abroad 1 before you come back and 1 2 days after landing.

Why get 3 jabs pathetic "

Is that a serious question?

Winston

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"I see you now need a test prior to flying abroad 1 before you come back and 1 2 days after landing.

Why get 3 jabs pathetic "

For a start not many countries will not let you in unless you are fully vaccinated. Then there is the much reduced chance of serious illness and death as an added bonus.

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By *iobhan123Woman
over a year ago

Deal


"I see you now need a test prior to flying abroad 1 before you come back and 1 2 days after landing.

Why get 3 jabs pathetic "

Because you can still carry the virus?!

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By *weetandHungMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Back to square one 2 years later

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"Back to square one 2 years later "

Hardly...

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By *weetandHungMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Back to square one 2 years later

Hardly..."

So tell me what’s different except we had vaccines that don’t work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Back to square one 2 years later

Hardly...

So tell me what’s different except we had vaccines that don’t work?"

What’s different? We have a huge apparatus of states and international

Companies set up to cope with the emerging challenges of mutation. Might be two steps forward and one step back, but certainly not back to square one. At square one we knew nothing about it, had no protocols, no capabilities and no experience.

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By *weetandHungMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Back to square one 2 years later

Hardly...

So tell me what’s different except we had vaccines that don’t work?

What’s different? We have a huge apparatus of states and international

Companies set up to cope with the emerging challenges of mutation. Might be two steps forward and one step back, but certainly not back to square one. At square one we knew nothing about it, had no protocols, no capabilities and no experience."

But the point is they still no nothing, so technically we are going round in circles, vaccinated for nothing.

Is there any end in sight - nope.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick


"Do you think that if we had all followed the rules, that we would have beaten covid by now, or is what we do of no importance, discuss?

Nope. There will be no ending of this scam. And all conspiracy theories that were blocked and people were hunting for saying it are checking out. Is about control and implement fear in people so they are like lap dogs do what is told. Sad times we live in where common sense died and billions are controlled by few fanatics. "

The government want us to believe the conspiracy theories (and are actually helping push them) as it causes division in the population, so whilst people are fighting over those, they get away with more. It's simple divide and conquer.

By following these theories, you have fallen into their trap and are helping the government push agenda.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick


"Back to square one 2 years later

Hardly...

So tell me what’s different except we had vaccines that don’t work?"

They did work.

Much less people have had serious health issues from the virus and hospitals were not overrun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Back to square one 2 years later

Hardly...

So tell me what’s different except we had vaccines that don’t work?

They did work.

Much less people have had serious health issues from the virus and hospitals were not overrun. "

It always puzzles me why these point escape many of those agains the vaccine(s). They were never meant to be a bulletproof cure. Simply a break on the severity if the impact and the knock on effect that has on the NHS capacity to react. The stats show that in this regard the scheme has been a huge success.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Back to square one 2 years later

Hardly...

So tell me what’s different except we had vaccines that don’t work?

What’s different? We have a huge apparatus of states and international

Companies set up to cope with the emerging challenges of mutation. Might be two steps forward and one step back, but certainly not back to square one. At square one we knew nothing about it, had no protocols, no capabilities and no experience.

But the point is they still no nothing, so technically we are going round in circles, vaccinated for nothing.

Is there any end in sight - nope."

Are 1,000 people dying from covid every day?

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By *S2004Man
over a year ago

Bromsgrove


"Back to square one 2 years later

Hardly...

So tell me what’s different except we had vaccines that don’t work?

What’s different? We have a huge apparatus of states and international

Companies set up to cope with the emerging challenges of mutation. Might be two steps forward and one step back, but certainly not back to square one. At square one we knew nothing about it, had no protocols, no capabilities and no experience.

But the point is they still no nothing, so technically we are going round in circles, vaccinated for nothing.

Is there any end in sight - nope."

Out of interest, what is your proposal?

Do we just get on with it and shouldn’t have bothered with the serious symptom reducing vaccine (that all admit is not 100%)

Do you agree that the picture is better following restrictions and medical intervention? Or do you believe that if we had done nothing we would be in a better position now?

Genuine question to allow for explanation of your comment

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"Back to square one 2 years later

Hardly...

So tell me what’s different except we had vaccines that don’t work?

What’s different? We have a huge apparatus of states and international

Companies set up to cope with the emerging challenges of mutation. Might be two steps forward and one step back, but certainly not back to square one. At square one we knew nothing about it, had no protocols, no capabilities and no experience.

But the point is they still no nothing, so technically we are going round in circles, vaccinated for nothing.

Is there any end in sight - nope."

did you get vaccinated ?

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