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" Covid: Greece to fine over-60s who refuse Covid-19 vaccine Greece is to make Covid vaccinations mandatory for people aged 60 and over. Fines of €100 (£85) will be imposed at monthly intervals from mid-January on those who refuse, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said. The money will go towards the Greek health system, which is struggling with a surge in hospital admissions. About 63% of Greece's 11-million population is fully vaccinated, but data show more than 520,000 people over 60 are yet to get the jab. "Greeks over the age of 60... must book their appointment for a first jab by January 16," the premier said in a statement to the cabinet. "Their vaccination is henceforth compulsory." The measure is still to be put to a parliamentary vote, he said, but lawmakers are widely expected to approve it. Link - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59474808 " I have no issues tbh their country their laws/rules. They seem to be on the ball and decisive whether agree with it or not and compare to Boris the bellend. | |||
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"I guess that will reduce the 60+ population successfully , it’s after all an aging society they cannot afford any longer " The opposite surely | |||
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"Sounds like another conspiracy theory coming true to me, and I’m sure there’ll be enough support (on here at least) for similar measures here " I have to admit some of what were considered crazy ideas last year are now coming to pass. I wonder how many of the half a million Greeks over 60 will now get vaccinated? Or will a large percentage hold out to be fined every month until they are taken to the courts? KJ | |||
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"If this is true then this is a disgusting abuse of power and a disgusting assault on personal choice and autonomy" This is mainstream news and the link is to the BBC website covering this directly, it hasn't been lifted out of some random fake news site. It's happening. KJ | |||
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"If this is true then this is a disgusting abuse of power and a disgusting assault on personal choice and autonomy" Hey, don't forget the other 'good news' coming out of Germany right now. German euthanasia clinics are refusing 'unvaccinated' customers. Yes it seems like you can't kill yourself, unless you've been vaccinated. It's disgusting.  | |||
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"If this is true then this is a disgusting abuse of power and a disgusting assault on personal choice and autonomy Hey, don't forget the other 'good news' coming out of Germany right now. German euthanasia clinics are refusing 'unvaccinated' customers. Yes it seems like you can't kill yourself, unless you've been vaccinated. It's disgusting. "It's very dystopian and disturbing | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent!" ... Greece has a civil law system, so...  | |||
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"If this is true then this is a disgusting abuse of power and a disgusting assault on personal choice and autonomy This is mainstream news and the link is to the BBC website covering this directly, it hasn't been lifted out of some random fake news site. It's happening. KJ"  this is true, I have a friend in Corfu, who told me this last night. They are very strict with mask wearing, also. It is a €300, on the spot fine, for non compliance. Many tourists found that out, in the holiday season ! | |||
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" At least Austria are making it illegal to be covid unvaxxed for all adults 18+. The fact the Greeks plan to target a specific age group smacks of discrimination to me. KJ" Yes, if they are going to implement it, it should be all age groups. | |||
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" At least Austria are making it illegal to be covid unvaxxed for all adults 18+. The fact the Greeks plan to target a specific age group smacks of discrimination to me. KJ Yes, if they are going to implement it, it should be all age groups." that said, it feels proportional. Benefits of vaccibes more clearly out weigh risks for older ppl. (Not pro mandatory vaccines btw) | |||
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" At least Austria are making it illegal to be covid unvaxxed for all adults 18+. The fact the Greeks plan to target a specific age group smacks of discrimination to me. KJ Yes, if they are going to implement it, it should be all age groups.that said, it feels proportional. Benefits of vaccibes more clearly out weigh risks for older ppl. (Not pro mandatory vaccines btw)" | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent!" In Greece if get caught breaking the speed limit on the motorway you get fined. "No victim, no crime" but there is a fine. Governments make laws and if you break them you pay a tariff. You dont have to agree with them; that is the world we live in. | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent! In Greece if get caught breaking the speed limit on the motorway you get fined. "No victim, no crime" but there is a fine. Governments make laws and if you break them you pay a tariff. You dont have to agree with them; that is the world we live in. " and as I said above, they actively fine €300 for non mask wearing | |||
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"You have chosen to pay the fine "Who, me? | |||
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"You have chosen to pay the fine
Who, me?"Apologies I should have included the quote I was referring to. What the person above was suggesting with regards to common law is that there has been no crime. It has been added that if you speed you will get fined. Under common law don't pay the fine. If you have chosen to pay then that is up to you  | |||
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"You have chosen to pay the fine
Who, me?
Apologies I should have included the quote I was referring to.
What the person above was suggesting with regards to common law is that there has been no crime.
It has been added that if you speed you will get fined.
Under common law don't pay the fine.
If you have chosen to pay then that is up to you "Thank you  | |||
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"You have chosen to pay the fine
Who, me?
Apologies I should have included the quote I was referring to.
What the person above was suggesting with regards to common law is that there has been no crime.
It has been added that if you speed you will get fined.
Under common law don't pay the fine.
If you have chosen to pay then that is up to you "If you believe that that is what common law is, or that it overrides the legal arrangements in any country, you will be in for a rude shock and will probably end up in much more trouble. Even in England and Wales, which are common law jurisdictions (Scotland is different, can't speak to NI), this is not how anything works. | |||
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"Is this Greece the birthplace of democracy?" You could also argue: 'That for the good of all we decree this Law' Much like: Murder is illegal in most countries. The basis for any democracy is enforcement and majority rule/s Takes me right back to doing my History Majors lol.  | |||
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"You have chosen to pay the fine
Who, me?
Apologies I should have included the quote I was referring to.
What the person above was suggesting with regards to common law is that there has been no crime.
It has been added that if you speed you will get fined.
Under common law don't pay the fine.
If you have chosen to pay then that is up to you
If you believe that that is what common law is, or that it overrides the legal arrangements in any country, you will be in for a rude shock and will probably end up in much more trouble.
Even in England and Wales, which are common law jurisdictions (Scotland is different, can't speak to NI), this is not how anything works."Well I haven't been rudly awakened yet so it is you my friend that has just been shocked 
Been there done it so there | |||
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"You have chosen to pay the fine
Who, me?
Apologies I should have included the quote I was referring to.
What the person above was suggesting with regards to common law is that there has been no crime.
It has been added that if you speed you will get fined.
Under common law don't pay the fine.
If you have chosen to pay then that is up to you
If you believe that that is what common law is, or that it overrides the legal arrangements in any country, you will be in for a rude shock and will probably end up in much more trouble.
Even in England and Wales, which are common law jurisdictions (Scotland is different, can't speak to NI), this is not how anything works.
Well I haven't been rudly awakened yet so it is you my friend that has just been shocked
Been there done it so there "Sure you have. Absolutely certain you have
Did you deny your name because it's the existence of a corporation, or make it legitimate with all caps too?
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"Is this Greece the birthplace of democracy? You could also argue: 'That for the good of all we decree this Law' Much like: Murder is illegal in most countries. The basis for any democracy is enforcement and majority rule/s Takes me right back to doing my History Majors lol. "Classical Athenians would not recognise our system as a democracy, probably an oligarchy, which they shunned after the oligarchic revolutions at the beginning of the fourth century. They had a participatory democracy not a representative democracy, not particularly practical with population of our size. Officials chosen by combination of ballot and sortition (lottery - will of the gods). Under our system, we entrust law making to those we elect. Doubt Athenians would recognise it. Not sure what the other democracies of a similar era might think - documentary evidence on such is pretty sparse. | |||
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"You have chosen to pay the fine
Who, me?
Apologies I should have included the quote I was referring to.
What the person above was suggesting with regards to common law is that there has been no crime.
It has been added that if you speed you will get fined.
Under common law don't pay the fine.
If you have chosen to pay then that is up to you
If you believe that that is what common law is, or that it overrides the legal arrangements in any country, you will be in for a rude shock and will probably end up in much more trouble.
Even in England and Wales, which are common law jurisdictions (Scotland is different, can't speak to NI), this is not how anything works.
Well I haven't been rudly awakened yet so it is you my friend that has just been shocked
Been there done it so there
Sure you have. Absolutely certain you have
Did you deny your name because it's the existence of a corporation, or make it legitimate with all caps too?
Sovcits are hilarious"Not here to argue with you. Believe or not is your choice. Just passing through on this lovely day. Don't normally even touch the virus forum due to it being a very toxic place filled with many trolls  .
Hope you find someone to argue with today though otherwise you wouldn't have your fix eh
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"You have chosen to pay the fine
Who, me?
Apologies I should have included the quote I was referring to.
What the person above was suggesting with regards to common law is that there has been no crime.
It has been added that if you speed you will get fined.
Under common law don't pay the fine.
If you have chosen to pay then that is up to you
If you believe that that is what common law is, or that it overrides the legal arrangements in any country, you will be in for a rude shock and will probably end up in much more trouble.
Even in England and Wales, which are common law jurisdictions (Scotland is different, can't speak to NI), this is not how anything works.
Well I haven't been rudly awakened yet so it is you my friend that has just been shocked
Been there done it so there
Sure you have. Absolutely certain you have
Did you deny your name because it's the existence of a corporation, or make it legitimate with all caps too?
Sovcits are hilarious
Not here to argue with you.
Believe or not is your choice.
Just passing through on this lovely day.
Don't normally even touch the virus forum due to it being a very toxic place filled with many trolls .
Hope you find someone to argue with today though otherwise you wouldn't have your fix eh
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"Friendly reminder, if you support mandatory vaccinations, you're a terrible person" i don't support mandatory vaccinations but why does supporting them make them terrible people? Obviously in this case greece are making vaccination mandatory for over 60s people can stay unvaccinated and pay their fine. | |||
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"Friendly reminder, if you support mandatory vaccinations, you're a terrible person" Friendly reminder, if you support mandatory infections using children as the vector, you're a worse than terrible person. | |||
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"In Greece if get caught breaking the speed limit on the motorway you get fined. "No victim, no crime" but there is a fine. Governments make laws and if you break them you pay a tariff. You dont have to agree with them; that is the world we live in. " If you're a tourist, if you're a local in a tourist hotspot then it's a different story | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent!" Not quite true is it? Common Law 'Breach of the Peace' for an example You can be arrested to prevent a Breach. A Police Office can make an arrest if he or She believes an indictable Offence is about to happen or has actually happened. Whereas, A Citizen can only make an Arrest if the Offence has already happened provided it is an indictable offence. | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent! Not quite true is it? Common Law 'Breach of the Peace' for an example You can be arrested to prevent a Breach. A Police Office can make an arrest if he or She believes an indictable Offence is about to happen or has actually happened. Whereas, A Citizen can only make an Arrest if the Offence has already happened provided it is an indictable offence." None of it is even remotely true. Countries that have common law are ones whose legal systems derive from the English common law in one way or another. The US (mostly), Canada (mostly), Australia, England and Wales, I think Ireland?, Scotland partly, for example. Certainly not Greece! And that's not even getting into the rest of it. | |||
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"Friendly reminder, if you support mandatory vaccinations, you're a terrible person Friendly reminder, if you support mandatory infections using children as the vector, you're a worse than terrible person." Mandatory infections? Lol. What are you on about? | |||
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"Friendly reminder, if you support mandatory vaccinations, you're a terrible person i don't support mandatory vaccinations but why does supporting them make them terrible people? Obviously in this case greece are making vaccination mandatory for over 60s people can stay unvaccinated and pay their fine." Lol, that’s ok then! It’s unbelievable that everyone is not outraged by this. If they can’t afford the fine? Make them homeless? We’re slowly edging towards mandation through sever coercion, and so many naive people thought this would remain a “choice”. Like the choice I had when I got mugged and told to hand over my wallet or get the shit kicked out of me. That type of choice. | |||
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" Well as we keep hearing it's down to personal choice ???and agree on that but sadly most think choices no longer carry conquences as it always someone else duty to pick up the tab or clean up the mess ??" Does this apply to people's other lifestyle choices too or just Covid vaccinations? | |||
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" Well as we keep hearing it's down to personal choice ???and agree on that but sadly most think choices no longer carry conquences as it always someone else duty to pick up the tab or clean up the mess ?? Does this apply to people's other lifestyle choices too or just Covid vaccinations?" Just covid. Because some think of nothing else. And make all decisions based on covid. Certainly on this forum. Not many out in the real world are like that though thankfully. | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent! In Greece if get caught breaking the speed limit on the motorway you get fined. "No victim, no crime" but there is a fine. Governments make laws and if you break them you pay a tariff. You dont have to agree with them; that is the world we live in. " You’ll find that’s the world you choose to live in, by operating as a cooperation/ straw man opposed to the living person. You choose to be governed by playing into their system and jumping through the hoops. Driving a car is very different t to just living in a body. | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent! In Greece if get caught breaking the speed limit on the motorway you get fined. "No victim, no crime" but there is a fine. Governments make laws and if you break them you pay a tariff. You dont have to agree with them; that is the world we live in. You’ll find that’s the world you choose to live in, by operating as a cooperation/ straw man opposed to the living person. You choose to be governed by playing into their system and jumping through the hoops. Driving a car is very different t to just living in a body. "I think covid has taught us that some people just enjoy governments deciding what is allowed and what isn’t. They don’t like making their own decisions. It’s easy to see why historically authoritarian governments can get so many people onside. Although thankfully I think most are snapping out of it now and getting on with life, whether it breaks rules or not. | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent! In Greece if get caught breaking the speed limit on the motorway you get fined. "No victim, no crime" but there is a fine. Governments make laws and if you break them you pay a tariff. You dont have to agree with them; that is the world we live in. You’ll find that’s the world you choose to live in, by operating as a cooperation/ straw man opposed to the living person. You choose to be governed by playing into their system and jumping through the hoops. Driving a car is very different t to just living in a body.
I think covid has taught us that some people just
enjoy governments deciding what is allowed and what isn’t. They don’t like making their own decisions. It’s easy to see why historically authoritarian governments can get so many people onside. Although thankfully I think most are snapping out of it now and getting on with life, whether it breaks rules or not."Indeed - who cares how many vulnerable folk die as a result of our (in)action. As long as I have the personal choice to ensure I’m doing what I want | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent! In Greece if get caught breaking the speed limit on the motorway you get fined. "No victim, no crime" but there is a fine. Governments make laws and if you break them you pay a tariff. You dont have to agree with them; that is the world we live in. You’ll find that’s the world you choose to live in, by operating as a cooperation/ straw man opposed to the living person. You choose to be governed by playing into their system and jumping through the hoops. Driving a car is very different t to just living in a body.
I think covid has taught us that some people just
enjoy governments deciding what is allowed and what isn’t. They don’t like making their own decisions. It’s easy to see why historically authoritarian governments can get so many people onside. Although thankfully I think most are snapping out of it now and getting on with life, whether it breaks rules or not.
Indeed - who cares how many vulnerable folk die as a result of our (in)action. As long as I have the personal choice to ensure I’m doing what I want "If you want action then we should've hard closed the borders then most of these strains wouldn't have come to the UK and we could possibly be free of this last year | |||
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"It’s all hyperbole chosen specifically to motivate the people using fear. Many countries legal systems are based on common law, Greece included. Under common law you need to have harmed someone stole from them or to have caused them loss, in other words no victim, no crime. Even the legal definition of mandatory requires consent! In Greece if get caught breaking the speed limit on the motorway you get fined. "No victim, no crime" but there is a fine. Governments make laws and if you break them you pay a tariff. You dont have to agree with them; that is the world we live in. You’ll find that’s the world you choose to live in, by operating as a cooperation/ straw man opposed to the living person. You choose to be governed by playing into their system and jumping through the hoops. Driving a car is very different t to just living in a body.
I think covid has taught us that some people just
enjoy governments deciding what is allowed and what isn’t. They don’t like making their own decisions. It’s easy to see why historically authoritarian governments can get so many people onside. Although thankfully I think most are snapping out of it now and getting on with life, whether it breaks rules or not.
Indeed - who cares how many vulnerable folk die as a result of our (in)action. As long as I have the personal choice to ensure I’m doing what I want "And who cares about the impacts of such restrictions? Economic? Mental health?As is the case now, you’re one of many basing decisions on covid and covid only. No other impacts. No questioning how long this can go on for. Just base everything about covid! You’ll still be saying the same in 2025. | |||
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