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"Therevis no natural immunity. Re-infections are now common.Sweden has a small population and a large land area. Only one month ago its infection rate was 58.59 per million, now it is 75.6 per million. Those with the best protection have: Had the disease and recovered. Had all the vaccinations. Very few will be protected for the next 5 years, yet alone the remainder of their lives." Got same population as Austria | |||
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"Therevis no natural immunity. Re-infections are now common.Sweden has a small population and a large land area. Only one month ago its infection rate was 58.59 per million, now it is 75.6 per million. Those with the best protection have: Had the disease and recovered. Had all the vaccinations. Very few will be protected for the next 5 years, yet alone the remainder of their lives. Got same population as Austria " And 6 times the area. | |||
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"Therevis no natural immunity. Re-infections are now common.Sweden has a small population and a large land area. Only one month ago its infection rate was 58.59 per million, now it is 75.6 per million. Those with the best protection have: Had the disease and recovered. Had all the vaccinations. Very few will be protected for the next 5 years, yet alone the remainder of their lives. Got same population as Austria And 6 times the area. " Most of the population lives in the southern part of the country in the 3 major city’s , hardly any of the population lives in the frozen north | |||
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"It now recording 85.4 per million according to Oxford university research site our world in Data , By comparison the rate is nearly 1400 in Austria " As from 1st November 2021, Sweden is no longer testing the double vaccinated. They have also stopped testing those who have recently recovered from covid. They are no longer testing children under 6 years old. These are new guidelines announced by their public health agency which came into effect on 1 November. So all of the above explains why they will have lower cases - if you are not testing you won’t find cases. Always best to put some context to these stories. | |||
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"Therevis no natural immunity. Re-infections are now common.Sweden has a small population and a large land area. Only one month ago its infection rate was 58.59 per million, now it is 75.6 per million. Those with the best protection have: Had the disease and recovered. Had all the vaccinations. Very few will be protected for the next 5 years, yet alone the remainder of their lives. Got same population as Austria And 6 times the area. Most of the population lives in the southern part of the country in the 3 major city’s , hardly any of the population lives in the frozen north " 85% of the people living in Sweden live in urban areas, but most of these cities are very small (between 10,000 and 100,000 residents). The largest city by far is the capital city of Stockholm, with 2.35 million people. The vaccination rate is nearly 69%. | |||
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"Oh! Is that because they encouraged natural immunity at the beginning?" Who knows... Different country, different people, different culture, different health, different behaviours.. But if its going well its worth seeing if any of it will work for us. | |||
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"Oh! Is that because they encouraged natural immunity at the beginning? Who knows... Different country, different people, different culture, different health, different behaviours.. But if its going well its worth seeing if any of it will work for us. " if we stop testing, I predict cases will go down.  | |||
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"It now recording 85.4 per million according to Oxford university research site our world in Data , By comparison the rate is nearly 1400 in Austria " What do you surmise from this OP, in terms of what the UK should now do? | |||
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"Sweden have stopped requiring testing if you're double vaxxed even if your showing symptoms (according to DM anyway) So hard to know numbers. " We need to do this. | |||
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"Sweden have stopped requiring testing if you're double vaxxed even if your showing symptoms (according to DM anyway) So hard to know numbers. " They are restarting testing today after a 35% drop in figures. | |||
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"Oh! Is that because they encouraged natural immunity at the beginning? Who knows... Different country, different people, different culture, different health, different behaviours.. But if its going well its worth seeing if any of it will work for us. " However this data is just a moment in time. Should we follow Sweden from 30th June when their cases were 808 compared to Austria’s 59? Looking at the bigger picture and according to the WHO figures across the whole pandemic, Sweden have had 160k more cases in total yet have only performed 13.5M tests compared to Austria’s 106M. Sweden’s covid death rate of 1480 per million population is slightly worse than Austria’s at 1317 per million. So by comparing two countries of approx the same population it looks like it doesn’t really give any standout examples of a better way through the pandemic. However, I don’t hold much on comparing two countries as there are too many variables to take into account. | |||
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"Oh! Is that because they encouraged natural immunity at the beginning? Who knows... Different country, different people, different culture, different health, different behaviours.. But if its going well its worth seeing if any of it will work for us. if we stop testing, I predict cases will go down. " | |||
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"Am I reading the wrong news ? STOCKHOLM — Sweden’s chief epidemiologist said on Thursday that his country’s recently announced vaccine mandate for larger indoor events could well prove insufficient in slowing the spread of coronavirus and flagged that further measures may soon be needed." That’s correct. Their Public Health Agency has announced that they will introduce vaccine passes for the first time from the start of December, with theatres, concerts and other indoor events able to limit entry to the fully inoculated. They also they intended to bring back restrictions for all indoor events with more than 100 participants from 1st December. | |||
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"Has anyone noticed they used to report it per 100,000 now it is per 1,000,000. In this respect the figures quoted earlier in the thread are no where near what they were at the beginning of the year. Anyone know why they have changed the reporting basis? " Interesting also on some reports they started reporting absolute numbers... Then made some of them per 100k, now they took them back to absolute numbers. Its deliberate to avoid comparisons. Shameful. | |||
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"So whom amongst the people in this posting are the medical professionals. I am not." Most of them apparently | |||
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"So whom amongst the people in this posting are the medical professionals. I am not. Most of them apparently " If I get a cough, cold or smelly arse hole I usually take a lemsip.  | |||
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"So whom amongst the people in this posting are the medical professionals. I am not. Most of them apparently If I get a cough, cold or smelly arse hole I usually take a lemsip. "Lol good job! | |||
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"So whom amongst the people in this posting are the medical professionals. I am not. Most of them apparently If I get a cough, cold or smelly arse hole I usually take a lemsip. "You should try Imodium | |||
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"Has anyone noticed they used to report it per 100,000 now it is per 1,000,000. In this respect the figures quoted earlier in the thread are no where near what they were at the beginning of the year. Anyone know why they have changed the reporting basis? " For the same reason the media switched to cases when the deaths dropped. Its not a sensational enough headline. | |||
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"It now recording 85.4 per million according to Oxford university research site our world in Data , By comparison the rate is nearly 1400 in Austria " They’re not testing.  | |||
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"If you're interested in what's going on in Sweden, Google sebastian rushworth MD and fourth wave. He has a new article out which highlights some really surprising information in relation to death rates and also what part vaccines have or haven't played in how different countries have fared. And also why the UK may well be headed towards a 4th wave." Not sure you need to say you're an MD to predict the UK may well be headed towards a 4th wave. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say UK may be headed for a 4th wave. | |||
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"If you're interested in what's going on in Sweden, Google sebastian rushworth MD and fourth wave. He has a new article out which highlights some really surprising information in relation to death rates and also what part vaccines have or haven't played in how different countries have fared. And also why the UK may well be headed towards a 4th wave. Not sure you need to say you're an MD to predict the UK may well be headed towards a 4th wave. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say UK may be headed for a 4th wave. " Im not sure you do need to be an MD but I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why we could have a 4th wave. Surely after the year we have been through, there shouldn't be? Anyway, he analyses death rates in different countries and makes observations about why different countries have had fewer waves than others and also countries where one might say a drop in deaths was not driven by vaccination. Thought that was interesting. Given the original OP was about Sweden, this article specifically references what's happened there. So no, it's not about those letters MD but much more. Just don't get distracted! | |||
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"If you're interested in what's going on in Sweden, Google sebastian rushworth MD and fourth wave. He has a new article out which highlights some really surprising information in relation to death rates and also what part vaccines have or haven't played in how different countries have fared. And also why the UK may well be headed towards a 4th wave. Not sure you need to say you're an MD to predict the UK may well be headed towards a 4th wave. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say UK may be headed for a 4th wave. Im not sure you do need to be an MD but I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why we could have a 4th wave. Surely after the year we have been through, there shouldn't be? Anyway, he analyses death rates in different countries and makes observations about why different countries have had fewer waves than others and also countries where one might say a drop in deaths was not driven by vaccination. Thought that was interesting. Given the original OP was about Sweden, this article specifically references what's happened there. So no, it's not about those letters MD but much more. Just don't get distracted! " "I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why we could have a 4th wave" My thoughts.. Because infections are steadily increasing (and yes they do lead to admissions and deaths) , because we are moving into winter, because vaccinations are waning faster than being boosted, because people's behaviours are becoming less aware of what spreads the infection and what doesn't spread the infection, because Xmas and shopping and party season is coming, because nothing has really changed but "we" think that being tired and fed up of it all gives us super powers and behave accordingly. As for the other thoughts you talk to... Yes it was an interesting watch. Always good to have an open mind. | |||
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"It now recording 85.4 per million according to Oxford university research site our world in Data , By comparison the rate is nearly 1400 in Austria " This . | |||
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"If you're interested in what's going on in Sweden, Google sebastian rushworth MD and fourth wave. He has a new article out which highlights some really surprising information in relation to death rates and also what part vaccines have or haven't played in how different countries have fared. And also why the UK may well be headed towards a 4th wave. Not sure you need to say you're an MD to predict the UK may well be headed towards a 4th wave. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say UK may be headed for a 4th wave. Im not sure you do need to be an MD but I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why we could have a 4th wave. Surely after the year we have been through, there shouldn't be? Anyway, he analyses death rates in different countries and makes observations about why different countries have had fewer waves than others and also countries where one might say a drop in deaths was not driven by vaccination. Thought that was interesting. Given the original OP was about Sweden, this article specifically references what's happened there. So no, it's not about those letters MD but much more. Just don't get distracted! "I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why we could have a 4th wave" My thoughts.. Because infections are steadily increasing (and yes they do lead to admissions and deaths) , because we are moving into winter, because vaccinations are waning faster than being boosted, because people's behaviours are becoming less aware of what spreads the infection and what doesn't spread the infection, because Xmas and shopping and party season is coming, because nothing has really changed but "we" think that being tired and fed up of it all gives us super powers and behave accordingly. As for the other thoughts you talk to... Yes it was an interesting watch. Always good to have an open mind. " Good points. Thanks for responding | |||
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"It now recording 85.4 per million according to Oxford university research site our world in Data , By comparison the rate is nearly 1400 in Austria " What's your point? | |||
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"Sweden got it right but none of the other European countries that are now stuck in a perpetual cycle of restrictions want to admit it." How do you work that out? | |||
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"Sweden got it right but none of the other European countries that are now stuck in a perpetual cycle of restrictions want to admit it." Hmmm not sure that's what the swedish are saying,they introduced restrictions last week if I remember correctly  | |||
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"Sweden got it right but none of the other European countries that are now stuck in a perpetual cycle of restrictions want to admit it." Even the Swedish government have admitted and apologised for getting it wrong | |||
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"Sweden got it right but none of the other European countries that are now stuck in a perpetual cycle of restrictions want to admit it. Even the Swedish government have admitted and apologised for getting it wrong " Bit like Brexit, if you keep saying it works for long enough someone will eventually believe it | |||
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"Sweden got it right but none of the other European countries that are now stuck in a perpetual cycle of restrictions want to admit it. Even the Swedish government have admitted and apologised for getting it wrong But you must admit wages are up since Brexit. Growth rate in UK is outstripping that in the EU and that gap is accelerating. Unemployment is lower in the UK. I think Remainders work on the basis that saying something often enough will make it so...or that some people will be fooled Bit like Brexit, if you keep saying it works for long enough someone will eventually believe it" | |||
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