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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back "Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age... | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age..."The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid. | |||
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" Is it not time we went back to plan B Hands face space. Compulsory face masks." You're waiting to be told ? | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age..."trust me its like a broken record. | |||
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Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age... trust me its like a broken record. "Nobody is trying to stop you wearing a mask, washing your hands, getting jabbed or staying home just stay out of my business | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back "You do understand that your freedoms have always been curtailed. It's the price we pay for the security of the state. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? " Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. | |||
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" ALL Austrians must be vaccinated by Feb 2022 apparently!!" and what if you don’t ? Are you to be lined up for the firing squad or thrown in jail or told to stay home  | |||
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" ALL Austrians must be vaccinated by Feb 2022 apparently!! and what if you don’t ? Are you to be lined up for the firing squad or thrown in jail or told to stay home "Probably the last one. And there are a lot of fascists on here who will support this. Many saw it coming. Others said it’s only like wearing a seatbelt! And you have a choice! And all this while some of the most vaccinated places (eg Ireland) with covid passports, are getting a rise in cases. If you ain’t woken up yet, you never will. I think some just like government control, it’s as simple as that. Gives them a feeling of worth to their life. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid. "Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling? | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling? "All mathematic degrees have modelling? Why is your one superior for containing what everyone else has? | |||
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" ALL Austrians must be vaccinated by Feb 2022 apparently!! and what if you don’t ? Are you to be lined up for the firing squad or thrown in jail or told to stay home
Probably the last one. And there are a lot of fascists on here who will support this.
Many saw it coming. Others said it’s only like wearing a seatbelt! And you have a choice!
And all this while some of the most vaccinated places (eg Ireland) with covid passports, are getting a rise in cases.
If you ain’t woken up yet, you never will.
I think some just like government control, it’s as simple as that. Gives them a feeling of worth to their life."I agree and I wonder when they move the goalposts again …. Now they are saying booster number 6/7/8 next year …. Sure if people have trust in the governments that much why don’t they just give them a monthly jab … what’s the worse that can happen … | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. " But If yu go to the shope,s for exsampe and you are the only one in there with a mask on you protect them from you but they are not protecting you unless you go for a FFP3 mask so its almost pointless. to where on if lots are not doing it. | |||
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""A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law" Viruses and disease have been killing humans for a millennia, and they will continue to do so cos its simply nature at work. Covid passports, quarantines, detaining the unvaccinated, its the beginning of a goddamn authoritarian dystopia. Little by little the governments will seize more power for themselves at the expense of the freedoms of the common ppl "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" ... we are currently living in the beginning of those hard times, how long those hard times will last is yet to be seen but if the ppl freely march in line into the meat grinder then there never will be good times for us all, only for the rich and powerful. Another quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and another quote (i cant remember exactly how it goes) "be wary of those who claim to be your protectors" Does any of this make sense to you? Do you honestly believe the government as an entity has and always will have your best interests in mind? Terror is the most powerful form of persuasion and coercion, and the common ppl have been made to feel terrified of a virus rather than the ppl who want to use you like cattle... are you cattle? Or are you a human being? Think about it for a moment before you switch over to the news channel" Sounds like you are terrified of a vaccine | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. But If yu go to the shope,s for exsampe and you are the only one in there with a mask on you protect them from you but they are not protecting you unless you go for a FFP3 mask so its almost pointless. to where on if lots are not doing it. " I wear a medical grade mask. And keep my distance. I at work have had to go in with covid positive patients numerous times... and wear the same masks. So far so good. The vaccinations have made a huge difference to our residents though... | |||
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"Really glad we live in England, no masks Tyrannical Government in many European states , " I am really glad I live in Scotland. We kept the masks and have lower cases and deaths than England per 100k. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
All mathematic degrees have modelling? Why is your one superior for containing what everyone else has? "I only did one so can't comment on the rest but I was merely pointing out that my degree included mathematical modelling which really does give a bit more insight than Karen from Facebook. My mathematical modelling module was actually very similar to the situation we find ourselves in now... so, whilst not superior, it was relevant. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. " Even if there is no guarantee that herd immunity can be achieved? | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. Even if there is no guarantee that herd immunity can be achieved? " It can always be achieved it is just a matter of time and sacrifice. | |||
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" ALL Austrians must be vaccinated by Feb 2022 apparently!! and what if you don’t ? Are you to be lined up for the firing squad or thrown in jail or told to stay home "Stichen macht frei... I can see that ending well. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
All mathematic degrees have modelling? Why is your one superior for containing what everyone else has?
I only did one so can't comment on the rest but I was merely pointing out that my degree included mathematical modelling which really does give a bit more insight than Karen from Facebook. My mathematical modelling module was actually very similar to the situation we find ourselves in now... so, whilst not superior, it was relevant."Not real depending on the type of modelling carried out. I have a MSc in pure and applied mathematics does that make me any more qualified to talk about these areas? No it doesn't not at all but what it does mean that as a mathematician I can examine statistics and numbers in far more depth than the average Joe. The fact is that if you examine the data the raw data there is very little to be scared of. | |||
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""A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law" Viruses and disease have been killing humans for a millennia, and they will continue to do so cos its simply nature at work. Covid passports, quarantines, detaining the unvaccinated, its the beginning of a goddamn authoritarian dystopia. Little by little the governments will seize more power for themselves at the expense of the freedoms of the common ppl "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" ... we are currently living in the beginning of those hard times, how long those hard times will last is yet to be seen but if the ppl freely march in line into the meat grinder then there never will be good times for us all, only for the rich and powerful. Another quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and another quote (i cant remember exactly how it goes) "be wary of those who claim to be your protectors" Does any of this make sense to you? Do you honestly believe the government as an entity has and always will have your best interests in mind? Terror is the most powerful form of persuasion and coercion, and the common ppl have been made to feel terrified of a virus rather than the ppl who want to use you like cattle... are you cattle? Or are you a human being? Think about it for a moment before you switch over to the news channel Sounds like you are terrified of a vaccine " Lmao no. This isnt even about the vaccine. So i wouldnt be surprised if everything i said went over your head. As for the vaccine itself, im not vaccinated, not that i probably need it cos although i was a smoker for a 10 years, im pretty fit and healthy, and im pretty sure i had the 'rona in february last year, timing seemed too coincidental to be the flu. Sure ill get the vaccine or boosters just to counter the severity, though im happy to wait for the vaccine to be tested further and made safer. Hands, face, space has worked for me through the entire pandemic What i wont stand for is the reduction in rights, medical apartheid. Whos to say that we wont do what china is doing with social credit scoring? You dont get the vaccine your social credit score goes down? Do you seriously think thats acceptable? | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age... trust me its like a broken record.
Nobody is trying to stop you wearing a mask, washing your hands, getting jabbed or staying home just stay out of my business "+1 | |||
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""A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law" Viruses and disease have been killing humans for a millennia, and they will continue to do so cos its simply nature at work. Covid passports, quarantines, detaining the unvaccinated, its the beginning of a goddamn authoritarian dystopia. Little by little the governments will seize more power for themselves at the expense of the freedoms of the common ppl "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" ... we are currently living in the beginning of those hard times, how long those hard times will last is yet to be seen but if the ppl freely march in line into the meat grinder then there never will be good times for us all, only for the rich and powerful. Another quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and another quote (i cant remember exactly how it goes) "be wary of those who claim to be your protectors" Does any of this make sense to you? Do you honestly believe the government as an entity has and always will have your best interests in mind? Terror is the most powerful form of persuasion and coercion, and the common ppl have been made to feel terrified of a virus rather than the ppl who want to use you like cattle... are you cattle? Or are you a human being? Think about it for a moment before you switch over to the news channel Sounds like you are terrified of a vaccine Lmao no. This isnt even about the vaccine. So i wouldnt be surprised if everything i said went over your head. As for the vaccine itself, im not vaccinated, not that i probably need it cos although i was a smoker for a 10 years, im pretty fit and healthy, and im pretty sure i had the 'rona in february last year, timing seemed too coincidental to be the flu. Sure ill get the vaccine or boosters just to counter the severity, though im happy to wait for the vaccine to be tested further and made safer. Hands, face, space has worked for me through the entire pandemic What i wont stand for is the reduction in rights, medical apartheid. Whos to say that we wont do what china is doing with social credit scoring? You dont get the vaccine your social credit score goes down? Do you seriously think thats acceptable?" I couldn’t care less what they do in China, I will do what is right for me and my friends and family (like you will) | |||
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" ALL Austrians must be vaccinated by Feb 2022 apparently!! and what if you don’t ? Are you to be lined up for the firing squad or thrown in jail or told to stay home
Probably the last one. And there are a lot of fascists on here who will support this.
Many saw it coming. Others said it’s only like wearing a seatbelt! And you have a choice!
And all this while some of the most vaccinated places (eg Ireland) with covid passports, are getting a rise in cases.
If you ain’t woken up yet, you never will.
I think some just like government control, it’s as simple as that. Gives them a feeling of worth to their life. I agree and I wonder when they move the goalposts again …. Now they are saying booster number 6/7/8 next year …. Sure if people have trust in the governments that much why don’t they just give them a monthly jab … what’s the worse that can happen … "Well in fairness what they've said and what people say they've said are very different things. I'm no fan of any of this but if we engage brains for a moment... We now know the vax lasts about 6 months before needing a top up. We know in the summer when we live outside cases drop and we know in winter just like flus and colds they increase. We know elderly and immuno supressed are at higher risk so I'd imagine much like flu we will have jabs every year from October onwards for the older and more risky folks and this nonsense about the unvaxed will go away. .. Unless the scientists improve the longevity of the jabs in which case it will be what it will be and that's not really a massive drama having a vax every year is it? I hope that shortly people see sense and appreciate that the 5 percent of those who have not had covid yet and thus have natural immunity, nor have had a vaccine yet, can't possibly be responsible for all of those infections in the 90 percent who are protected by a vax whilst at the same time not infecting those in their own 5 % who are not protected by a vax (yes rates per 100k are higher for the vaxed gang and have been for quite a while). Yes not having a jab means they are more likely to die if they catch it... But that's their choice...for now at least. | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. "
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. Even if there is no guarantee that herd immunity can be achieved? It can always be achieved it is just a matter of time and sacrifice. " Not if immunity lasts less time than it takes for the entire population to be infected. | |||
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""A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law" Viruses and disease have been killing humans for a millennia, and they will continue to do so cos its simply nature at work. Covid passports, quarantines, detaining the unvaccinated, its the beginning of a goddamn authoritarian dystopia. Little by little the governments will seize more power for themselves at the expense of the freedoms of the common ppl "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" ... we are currently living in the beginning of those hard times, how long those hard times will last is yet to be seen but if the ppl freely march in line into the meat grinder then there never will be good times for us all, only for the rich and powerful. Another quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and another quote (i cant remember exactly how it goes) "be wary of those who claim to be your protectors" Does any of this make sense to you? Do you honestly believe the government as an entity has and always will have your best interests in mind? Terror is the most powerful form of persuasion and coercion, and the common ppl have been made to feel terrified of a virus rather than the ppl who want to use you like cattle... are you cattle? Or are you a human being? Think about it for a moment before you switch over to the news channel Sounds like you are terrified of a vaccine Lmao no. This isnt even about the vaccine. So i wouldnt be surprised if everything i said went over your head. As for the vaccine itself, im not vaccinated, not that i probably need it cos although i was a smoker for a 10 years, im pretty fit and healthy, and im pretty sure i had the 'rona in february last year, timing seemed too coincidental to be the flu. Sure ill get the vaccine or boosters just to counter the severity, though im happy to wait for the vaccine to be tested further and made safer. Hands, face, space has worked for me through the entire pandemic What i wont stand for is the reduction in rights, medical apartheid. Whos to say that we wont do what china is doing with social credit scoring? You dont get the vaccine your social credit score goes down? Do you seriously think thats acceptable?" A lot of these people will welcome chain's if it helps them feel a little safer. | |||
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""A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law" Viruses and disease have been killing humans for a millennia, and they will continue to do so cos its simply nature at work. Covid passports, quarantines, detaining the unvaccinated, its the beginning of a goddamn authoritarian dystopia. Little by little the governments will seize more power for themselves at the expense of the freedoms of the common ppl "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" ... we are currently living in the beginning of those hard times, how long those hard times will last is yet to be seen but if the ppl freely march in line into the meat grinder then there never will be good times for us all, only for the rich and powerful. Another quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and another quote (i cant remember exactly how it goes) "be wary of those who claim to be your protectors" Does any of this make sense to you? Do you honestly believe the government as an entity has and always will have your best interests in mind? Terror is the most powerful form of persuasion and coercion, and the common ppl have been made to feel terrified of a virus rather than the ppl who want to use you like cattle... are you cattle? Or are you a human being? Think about it for a moment before you switch over to the news channel Sounds like you are terrified of a vaccine Lmao no. This isnt even about the vaccine. So i wouldnt be surprised if everything i said went over your head. As for the vaccine itself, im not vaccinated, not that i probably need it cos although i was a smoker for a 10 years, im pretty fit and healthy, and im pretty sure i had the 'rona in february last year, timing seemed too coincidental to be the flu. Sure ill get the vaccine or boosters just to counter the severity, though im happy to wait for the vaccine to be tested further and made safer. Hands, face, space has worked for me through the entire pandemic What i wont stand for is the reduction in rights, medical apartheid. Whos to say that we wont do what china is doing with social credit scoring? You dont get the vaccine your social credit score goes down? Do you seriously think thats acceptable?" Agree totally. I won’t stop or slag anyone off who wants to get all the jabs they want. But equally, stay out of my business, my decisions, my freedom of choice. This was never about health, government could care less about your health. Look how hospitals have been run down over the last 30 years. Look at the number of homeless that died on our streets. They didn’t care then. Why would they care now. Look at the scandalous behaviour in Ireland of the government about the cervical cancer scandal that cost hundreds of lives, not even an apology. Look at the scandal of hundreds of children who died in state care who were dumped in septic tanks (not that long ago 80’s and early 90’s) the government have blocked inquiries at every turn because there are still politicians sitting in power who were involved. Tell me again you think the government has your best interests at heart. Not a conspiracy theory. These are facts. FACTS, and not in far off history. In reality for many of us. Let us not forget gulf war syndrome, oh wait most people probably have already. My daily rant. | |||
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"Really glad we live in England, no masks Tyrannical Government in many European states , I am really glad I live in Scotland. We kept the masks and have lower cases and deaths than England per 100k." Here we go, Scotland v England! Don’t forget to add the lyrics, for “Flower of Scotland” next time you quote! | |||
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"It can always be achieved it is just a matter of time and sacrifice. " What sacrifice is acceptable and who determines it? | |||
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"Really glad we live in England, no masks Tyrannical Government in many European states , I am really glad I live in Scotland. We kept the masks and have lower cases and deaths than England per 100k. Here we go, Scotland v England! Don’t forget to add the lyrics, for “Flower of Scotland” next time you quote!" I'm not Scottish...I am English. It's not a game of football which I would obviously be supporting England. Of course my comment completely flew over your head. It seemed to be England vs European states in the comment I was responding to. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back "It it weren't for the vaccine then 10s of thousands would be dying daily in Europe, and the UK would still be in a series of lockdowns but I don't think you're ready to admit that yet ... You'll get there. | |||
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"It can always be achieved it is just a matter of time and sacrifice. What sacrifice is acceptable and who determines it?" That is what a grown discussion is needed about. | |||
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"Ironic that the EU accuses Lukashenko of Bielorussia of being a dictator yet their citizens never suffered lockdowns or any restrictions including mask mandates or coercive vaccination. People there have not been dropping like flies either. COVID was mostly a non issue. The hypocracy is nauseating. It's also incomprehensible how much faith / trust the public are placing on governments and corporations with this issue; two entities that take lying to a veritable art form. Whip up a panic and say "trust us" and people easily fall in line. " vaccines would cost the state money you think he would pay to protect the peasants from covid do you believe the news on state controlled media | |||
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"Is it covid or this board that makes people so rude? " It seems they have resorted to sending rude private messages and blocking so they don't have to justify the unjustifiable in public, either that or they're banned from using the forums for being rude. | |||
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"Really glad we live in England, no masks Tyrannical Government in many European states , I am really glad I live in Scotland. We kept the masks and have lower cases and deaths than England per 100k." Yes i dont doubt masks have something to do with it but London alone has nearly double the population of Scotland so would guess the density of population has a lot do do with those figures. | |||
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"Really glad we live in England, no masks Tyrannical Government in many European states , I am really glad I live in Scotland. We kept the masks and have lower cases and deaths than England per 100k.Yes i dont doubt masks have something to do with it but London alone has nearly double the population of Scotland so would guess the density of population has a lot do do with those figures. " How has Scotland compared in general v england ? Best I can find is this https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/what-has-been-the-impact-of-covid-19-across-the-uk-countries Which doesn't give a clear picture either which way. | |||
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"Ironic that the EU accuses Lukashenko of Bielorussia of being a dictator yet their citizens never suffered lockdowns or any restrictions including mask mandates or coercive vaccination. People there have not been dropping like flies either. COVID was mostly a non issue. The hypocracy is nauseating. It's also incomprehensible how much faith / trust the public are placing on governments and corporations with this issue; two entities that take lying to a veritable art form. Whip up a panic and say "trust us" and people easily fall in line. vaccines would cost the state money you think he would pay to protect the peasants from covid do you believe the news on state controlled media " Yes it costs the state money, in other words it costs the tax payer, old bo jo is not spending his own money. There will be a series of tax hikes to pay for all this over the next few years along with carbon tax etc and I’m sure old bo jo and his cronies will get their pay rises out of this pot of money also. See how many incompetent politicians who fail to be re-elected get cushey jobs in pharma and social media companies after all this. Actually you don’t have to wait that long. Just look at who is Vice President of Facebook Europe | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
All mathematic degrees have modelling? Why is your one superior for containing what everyone else has?
I only did one so can't comment on the rest but I was merely pointing out that my degree included mathematical modelling which really does give a bit more insight than Karen from Facebook. My mathematical modelling module was actually very similar to the situation we find ourselves in now... so, whilst not superior, it was relevant.
Not real depending on the type of modelling carried out. I have a MSc in pure and applied mathematics does that make me any more qualified to talk about these areas? No it doesn't not at all but what it does mean that as a mathematician I can examine statistics and numbers in far more depth than the average Joe. The fact is that if you examine the data the raw data there is very little to be scared of."There are enough statistics available to us now to indicate that the issue is not covid or the health of the people. Life Insurance/ assurance companies have done actuarial reviews over the past 18 months which have produced startling statistics. In that the level of deaths, of the insured population, is no different than actuarial forecasts. So, yes, people have died from covid and other causes, but the yearly average is " normal". | |||
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Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling? "The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage? | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
All mathematic degrees have modelling? Why is your one superior for containing what everyone else has?
I only did one so can't comment on the rest but I was merely pointing out that my degree included mathematical modelling which really does give a bit more insight than Karen from Facebook. My mathematical modelling module was actually very similar to the situation we find ourselves in now... so, whilst not superior, it was relevant.
Not real depending on the type of modelling carried out. I have a MSc in pure and applied mathematics does that make me any more qualified to talk about these areas? No it doesn't not at all but what it does mean that as a mathematician I can examine statistics and numbers in far more depth than the average Joe. The fact is that if you examine the data the raw data there is very little to be scared of.
There are enough statistics available to us now to indicate that the issue is not covid or the health of the people. Life Insurance/ assurance companies have done actuarial reviews over the past 18 months which have produced startling statistics. In that the level of deaths, of the insured population, is no different than actuarial forecasts. So, yes, people have died from covid and other causes, but the yearly average is " normal". "do you have any details here? The profession is seeing upticks: https://www.actuaries.org.uk/learn-and-develop/continuous-mortality-investigation/other-cmi-outputs/mortality-monitor There are a few times it dips below expected. But that's possibly because ocokdown reduced "opportunities" to die ... Eg less milea driven. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage? "Spill the beans..m | |||
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"The vaccine on its own was never going to be enough. After almost 2 years of experimenting, and trying to pretend it doesn't exist or that we can carry on without consequence so long as we keep getting jabbed and blame those who have not yet had a vaccine... I think it's dawning slowly that we are all in this together and it is not as binary as jab or no jab, that environment, culture, testing, behaviours, health, age all have a significant part to play. " Now don’t you start coming in here mouthing off with all that common sense malarky!!! | |||
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"If you believe that vaccines would stop anything you are daft. If you think it is 'sweeping' across Europe, you are easily led and gullible If you believe anything on the media and the constant fear mongering you are stupid and need to wake up. " sadly, the majority are. | |||
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"The vaccine on its own was never going to be enough. After almost 2 years of experimenting, and trying to pretend it doesn't exist or that we can carry on without consequence so long as we keep getting jabbed and blame those who have not yet had a vaccine... I think it's dawning slowly that we are all in this together and it is not as binary as jab or no jab, that environment, culture, testing, behaviours, health, age all have a significant part to play. " it never was. But people continue to believe the lies as the goal posts keep getting moved further. Donkey, cart and carrot. | |||
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"Really glad we live in England, no masks Tyrannical Government in many European states , " You might be speaking too soon. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage? "As of 17th of November, 2021 Covid deaths are 12.3% lower than deaths for the whole of 2020. However 23.2% higher than the same point in 2020. | |||
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"Across Europe, sweeping COVID-19 restrictions are being imposed in a bid to tackle a fourth wave of the virus currently surging across the continent. With Europe once again the epicentre of the pandemic, Germany, Austria, and Slovakia have reintroduced restrictions in the run-up to Christmas, amid a debate over whether vaccines alone are enough to tame the coronavirus. Is it not time we went back to plan B Hands face space. Compulsory face masks." We aren’t in those countries and our cases (both current and previous) are not the same as theirs. | |||
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"Ironic that the EU accuses Lukashenko of Bielorussia of being a dictator yet their citizens never suffered lockdowns or any restrictions including mask mandates or coercive vaccination. People there have not been dropping like flies either. COVID was mostly a non issue. The hypocracy is nauseating. It's also incomprehensible how much faith / trust the public are placing on governments and corporations with this issue; two entities that take lying to a veritable art form. Whip up a panic and say "trust us" and people easily fall in line. " two entities that take lying to a veritable art form. Whip up a panic and say "trust us" and people easily fall in line while they rake in a substantial profit and we get poorer. They create a problem, then tax us as the solution. oldest trick in the book, its used over and over and we keep falling for it. last year was the biggest wealth transfer in human history. The tax payer lost a lot of money, small businesses got ruined. Families decimated and forced in to poverty. Politicians, corporations and big businesses however got subsidized, furloughed and paid. let that sink in. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage?
As of 17th of November, 2021 Covid deaths are 12.3% lower than deaths for the whole of 2020. However 23.2% higher than the same point in 2020."Misleading statistic because you also have to include that there’s a 158% increase in cases compared with this time last year, which hasn’t resulted in the same increase in deaths or even close to it. We are living with an endemic disease now, where the majority are vaccinated, and sadly the majority of those vaccinated who are passing away would have died no matter what virus they caught (I know there a couple of rare exceptions), and those unvaccinated out of choice cannot be a reason for the rest of us to put our lives on pause. | |||
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" ALL Austrians must be vaccinated by Feb 2022 apparently!! and what if you don’t ? Are you to be lined up for the firing squad or thrown in jail or told to stay home "Quarantine camps. They are being built as we speak. Non compliers will be taken from their homes to be taken to quarantine camps and held captive. anyone who believes they are just for arrival of passengers from travel to or from a destination is being lied to. People keep asking " how the unvaccinated will be locked down? " " how will they implement it?" "it will be hard to implement it." not if they have the records of everyone who is vaccinated and not vaccinated. Our address is in our gp records attached to our nhs number, same in other countries. this is already happening in china. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage?
As of 17th of November, 2021 Covid deaths are 12.3% lower than deaths for the whole of 2020. However 23.2% higher than the same point in 2020.
Misleading statistic because you also have to include that there’s a 158% increase in cases compared with this time last year, which hasn’t resulted in the same increase in deaths or even close to it.
We are living with an endemic disease now, where the majority are vaccinated, and sadly the majority of those vaccinated who are passing away would have died no matter what virus they caught (I know there a couple of rare exceptions), and those unvaccinated out of choice cannot be a reason for the rest of us to put our lives on pause."I’d also like to add that were in a lockdown and a traffic light system last winter too. With hardly Any freedoms. So to be open again with relatively little impact is amazing. The vaccines really have done an incredible job | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back "It's utterly mind boggling that after nearly two years of the pandemic, this level of rudimentary misunderstanding still exists. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage?
As of 17th of November, 2021 Covid deaths are 12.3% lower than deaths for the whole of 2020. However 23.2% higher than the same point in 2020.
Misleading statistic because you also have to include that there’s a 158% increase in cases compared with this time last year, which hasn’t resulted in the same increase in deaths or even close to it.
We are living with an endemic disease now, where the majority are vaccinated, and sadly the majority of those vaccinated who are passing away would have died no matter what virus they caught (I know there a couple of rare exceptions), and those unvaccinated out of choice cannot be a reason for the rest of us to put our lives on pause."The question was asked and I answered it. I can't help it if it was a bad question. | |||
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" ALL Austrians must be vaccinated by Feb 2022 apparently!! and what if you don’t ? Are you to be lined up for the firing squad or thrown in jail or told to stay home
Probably the last one. And there are a lot of fascists on here who will support this.
Many saw it coming. Others said it’s only like wearing a seatbelt! And you have a choice!
And all this while some of the most vaccinated places (eg Ireland) with covid passports, are getting a rise in cases.
If you ain’t woken up yet, you never will.
I think some just like government control, it’s as simple as that. Gives them a feeling of worth to their life. I agree and I wonder when they move the goalposts again …. Now they are saying booster number 6/7/8 next year …. Sure if people have trust in the governments that much why don’t they just give them a monthly jab … what’s the worse that can happen …
Well in fairness what they've said and what people say they've said are very different things. I'm no fan of any of this but if we engage brains for a moment... We now know the vax lasts about 6 months before needing a top up. We know in the summer when we live outside cases drop and we know in winter just like flus and colds they increase. We know elderly and immuno supressed are at higher risk so I'd imagine much like flu we will have jabs every year from October onwards for the older and more risky folks and this nonsense about the unvaxed will go away. .. Unless the scientists improve the longevity of the jabs in which case it will be what it will be and that's not really a massive drama having a vax every year is it?
I hope that shortly people see sense and appreciate that the 5 percent of those who have not had covid yet and thus have natural immunity, nor have had a vaccine yet, can't possibly be responsible for all of those infections in the 90 percent who are protected by a vax whilst at the same time not infecting those in their own 5 % who are not protected by a vax (yes rates per 100k are higher for the vaxed gang and have been for quite a while). Yes not having a jab means they are more likely to die if they catch it... But that's their choice...for now at least. "how dare you talk sense and use critical thinking!  | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage?
As of 17th of November, 2021 Covid deaths are 12.3% lower than deaths for the whole of 2020. However 23.2% higher than the same point in 2020."Didnt ask about covid deaths. RTFQ | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage?
Spill the beans..m"They didn't do percentages on your maths degree? | |||
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""A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law" Viruses and disease have been killing humans for a millennia, and they will continue to do so cos its simply nature at work. Covid passports, quarantines, detaining the unvaccinated, its the beginning of a goddamn authoritarian dystopia. Little by little the governments will seize more power for themselves at the expense of the freedoms of the common ppl "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" ... we are currently living in the beginning of those hard times, how long those hard times will last is yet to be seen but if the ppl freely march in line into the meat grinder then there never will be good times for us all, only for the rich and powerful. Another quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and another quote (i cant remember exactly how it goes) "be wary of those who claim to be your protectors" Does any of this make sense to you? Do you honestly believe the government as an entity has and always will have your best interests in mind? Terror is the most powerful form of persuasion and coercion, and the common ppl have been made to feel terrified of a virus rather than the ppl who want to use you like cattle... are you cattle? Or are you a human being? Think about it for a moment before you switch over to the news channel" | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage?
Spill the beans..m
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"The vaccine on its own was never going to be enough. After almost 2 years of experimenting, and trying to pretend it doesn't exist or that we can carry on without consequence so long as we keep getting jabbed and blame those who have not yet had a vaccine... I think it's dawning slowly that we are all in this together and it is not as binary as jab or no jab, that environment, culture, testing, behaviours, health, age all have a significant part to play. it never was. But people continue to believe the lies as the goal posts keep getting moved further. Donkey, cart and carrot. " The scientific method is a wonderful thing. I take it that you support it? It will, of course, involve adjustments to theories, evidence and recommendations over time. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage?
Spill the beans..m
They didn't do percentages on your maths degree? "No. 1st year at secondary school. I am not going searching for data on your say so. If you want to present stats then do the big boy things and present them... | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Did the last person who called you out have a maths degree that included mathematical modelling?
The difference between the total number of people who have died in 2021 and 2020 as of week 44, in England and Wales is what as a percentage?
As of 17th of November, 2021 Covid deaths are 12.3% lower than deaths for the whole of 2020. However 23.2% higher than the same point in 2020.
Didnt ask about covid deaths. RTFQ "In that case, all deaths are currently 7.8% lower than the figure for the whole of 2020 but 10.9% higher than at the same point in 2020. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid. "Actually I don’t think I did… your maths skills were simplistic at best and you still don’t understand statistical analysis…. But you keep being you…..  | |||
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"Ironic that the EU accuses Lukashenko of Bielorussia of being a dictator yet their citizens never suffered lockdowns or any restrictions including mask mandates or coercive vaccination. People there have not been dropping like flies either. COVID was mostly a non issue. The hypocracy is nauseating. It's also incomprehensible how much faith / trust the public are placing on governments and corporations with this issue; two entities that take lying to a veritable art form. Whip up a panic and say "trust us" and people easily fall in line. " Are really serious when you say that Belarus has not had a problem with covid. This is the country whose president said covid was just a cold and drinking vodka and hard labour would cure it while hundreds of his citizens were dieing every day. It's the same country that locks up it's citizens and beats them into submission when they dare to ask for better living conditions? Are you really saying that you would prefer to live under a regime like that rather than what we have here? Just let us know when you are leaving and we will come and wave you off. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. " You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues" Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. " True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Do you really not think that the vaccine has allowed us to get back to some sort of normality? I guess you didn't do Maths after 16 years of age...
The last person on here who called out my maths skills ended up looking pretty stupid.
Actually I don’t think I did… your maths skills were simplistic at best and you still don’t understand statistical analysis….
But you keep being you….. "Not my fault you can't read basic english. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. " See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. " Agree, ignore the snowflakes ffs as usual | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. " Do you know what 'average' means? | |||
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"Well if people look at the statistics and not listen to the mainstream narrative,they would see that most cases in hospital are double jabbed,it is a jab and not a vaccine,the trials end in 2023,so the people are the Guinea Pigs..read John Dee's Aluminac..he has blown ..SAGE AND THE WHO out of the water with his information and statistics " 'smartguy'  | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. " Absolutely this!! - and thank you from all of us still in full PPE looking after the idiots who haven’t been vaccinated!!  | |||
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"From day 1 the message has been clear . PTOTECT THE NHS . Seems simple to me , get the jab and reduce death and serious illness . Ofcourse people who have been double jabbed will die as the vaccine is not 100% effective and nearly all the population has taken the jab . Yes you can still catch it you can still spread it so makes sense to wear a mask show respect to people , keep your distance and wash you hands . I was taught it’s good manners to put your hand over your mouth when you sneeze . I also expect my surgeon to wash his hands and wear a mask . This suggests to me that face coverings have some benefit . So in my option in makes good sense to wear a mask . When I wear a mask I am doing to protect others .This will all help for all viruses .It’s a combination of measure , there is no perfect solution , as a society we all need to do our bit . Do your own research and if you honestly don’t believe there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine helps then take your chance . " Thank you for such good sense and responsible citizen approach | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back "Totaly agree as all was a brainwash to get people to get vaxed not knowing what is really in that jab Look logicaly if jabed you can still get it pass it on don't need to isolate if you get it note u need booster more stuff put in your body. You will never know what lurks in side that jab now inside your body will you ? | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back
Totaly agree as all was a brainwash to get people to get vaxed not knowing what is really in that jab
Look logicaly if jabed you can still get it pass it on don't need to isolate if you get it note u need booster more stuff put in your body.
You will never know what lurks in side that jab now inside your body will you ?"Miss information, we know what’s in the jab | |||
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"Ironic that the EU accuses Lukashenko of Bielorussia of being a dictator yet their citizens never suffered lockdowns or any restrictions including mask mandates or coercive vaccination. People there have not been dropping like flies either. COVID was mostly a non issue. The hypocracy is nauseating. It's also incomprehensible how much faith / trust the public are placing on governments and corporations with this issue; two entities that take lying to a veritable art form. Whip up a panic and say "trust us" and people easily fall in line. " I suggest you read this article. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3543 It would appear that, amongst other things, the average Belarusian's total mistrust of their Government is one reason why they did it for themselves rather than wait for their Government. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. " I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying covid extends life expectancy? Or have I missed a sarcastic tone? | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying covid extends life expectancy? Or have I missed a sarcastic tone? " I think it could be just another example of repeating what they've read on facebook | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. " Your figures aren't even right average uk life expectancy was 81.5 for a start. | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. " if your abiding by space presume you not meeting then privately or at clubs | |||
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"Don’t wear a mask Don’t keep your distance Don’t get your vaccine Don’t follow advice Then don’t expect and sympathy if you end up in hospital!" | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. " Hmmm, Ebola doesn't seem to be a virus that follows the herd immunity model. Yes before you flame me, I am a pedant. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. Hmmm, Ebola doesn't seem to be a virus that follows the herd immunity model. Yes before you flame me, I am a pedant. "Does hiv? | |||
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"Ironic that the EU accuses Lukashenko of Bielorussia of being a dictator yet their citizens never suffered lockdowns or any restrictions including mask mandates or coercive vaccination. People there have not been dropping like flies either. COVID was mostly a non issue. The hypocracy is nauseating. It's also incomprehensible how much faith / trust the public are placing on governments and corporations with this issue; two entities that take lying to a veritable art form. Whip up a panic and say "trust us" and people easily fall in line. " ah, the classic “its the eu’s fault” line. | |||
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"No it just shows you're a mug if you thought taking the vaccine was the way to get your freedoms back "If everyone eligible for the vaccine took it there would be no need for lockdown. | |||
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"Don’t wear a mask Don’t keep your distance Don’t get your vaccine Don’t follow advice Then don’t expect and sympathy if you end up in hospital!" The problem is that people who act like that also harm others when it comes to Covid. | |||
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"Don’t wear a mask Don’t keep your distance Don’t get your vaccine Don’t follow advice Then don’t expect and sympathy if you end up in hospital!" But wit a mask I where one for you and if people are not wireing one im still at risk. So wherein a mask will not help me ? ? | |||
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""A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law" Viruses and disease have been killing humans for a millennia, and they will continue to do so cos its simply nature at work. Covid passports, quarantines, detaining the unvaccinated, its the beginning of a goddamn authoritarian dystopia. Little by little the governments will seize more power for themselves at the expense of the freedoms of the common ppl "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" ... we are currently living in the beginning of those hard times, how long those hard times will last is yet to be seen but if the ppl freely march in line into the meat grinder then there never will be good times for us all, only for the rich and powerful. Another quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and another quote (i cant remember exactly how it goes) "be wary of those who claim to be your protectors" Does any of this make sense to you? Do you honestly believe the government as an entity has and always will have your best interests in mind? Terror is the most powerful form of persuasion and coercion, and the common ppl have been made to feel terrified of a virus rather than the ppl who want to use you like cattle... are you cattle? Or are you a human being? Think about it for a moment before you switch over to the news channel" Absolutely brilliant. Well said. I tried telling people on here months ago and it got me a ban and a shed load of abuse. Nice to see more people speaking up and realising what’s really going on. | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. But If yu go to the shope,s for exsampe and you are the only one in there with a mask on you protect them from you but they are not protecting you unless you go for a FFP3 mask so its almost pointless. to where on if lots are not doing it. I wear a medical grade mask. And keep my distance. I at work have had to go in with covid positive patients numerous times... and wear the same masks. So far so good. The vaccinations have made a huge difference to our residents though... " Aren’t you supposed to quarantine yourself for 14 days of you come into contact with someone who’s supposed to be positive? Thought that’s what the track and trace was all about?! Hmmmm, that makes sense doesn’t it??!! | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. But If yu go to the shope,s for exsampe and you are the only one in there with a mask on you protect them from you but they are not protecting you unless you go for a FFP3 mask so its almost pointless. to where on if lots are not doing it. I wear a medical grade mask. And keep my distance. I at work have had to go in with covid positive patients numerous times... and wear the same masks. So far so good. The vaccinations have made a huge difference to our residents though... Aren’t you supposed to quarantine yourself for 14 days of you come into contact with someone who’s supposed to be positive? Thought that’s what the track and trace was all about?! Hmmmm, that makes sense doesn’t it??!!" Rules changed quite a while back. If you are under 18 or double jabbed you don't legally have to self isolate. | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. But If yu go to the shope,s for exsampe and you are the only one in there with a mask on you protect them from you but they are not protecting you unless you go for a FFP3 mask so its almost pointless. to where on if lots are not doing it. I wear a medical grade mask. And keep my distance. I at work have had to go in with covid positive patients numerous times... and wear the same masks. So far so good. The vaccinations have made a huge difference to our residents though... Aren’t you supposed to quarantine yourself for 14 days of you come into contact with someone who’s supposed to be positive? Thought that’s what the track and trace was all about?! Hmmmm, that makes sense doesn’t it??!! Rules changed quite a while back. If you are under 18 or double jabbed you don't legally have to self isolate." Not true. I know 3 people that have been pinged in the last 2 weeks by track and trace for being in close proximity of someone who was supposedly positive. Do you not see the contradiction?? | |||
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"OP I still despite being triple jabbed use hands, face and mostly space. It seems logical to do so x The vaccines thankfully are reducing the serious illness and deaths and the boosters should help against the newer variants.. So yes I think that Hands , face and space should be back in. Vaccines are helping just people need to remember they are not 100% although have still been shown to reduce the risks of catching and spreading but sadly not as much as it was initially shown. Research into why is all well and good but action is needed too. I wear my mask everywhere I has to before. But If yu go to the shope,s for exsampe and you are the only one in there with a mask on you protect them from you but they are not protecting you unless you go for a FFP3 mask so its almost pointless. to where on if lots are not doing it. I wear a medical grade mask. And keep my distance. I at work have had to go in with covid positive patients numerous times... and wear the same masks. So far so good. The vaccinations have made a huge difference to our residents though... Aren’t you supposed to quarantine yourself for 14 days of you come into contact with someone who’s supposed to be positive? Thought that’s what the track and trace was all about?! Hmmmm, that makes sense doesn’t it??!! Rules changed quite a while back. If you are under 18 or double jabbed you don't legally have to self isolate. Not true. I know 3 people that have been pinged in the last 2 weeks by track and trace for being in close proximity of someone who was supposedly positive. Do you not see the contradiction??" you can be pinged but don't have to isolate. The app asks questions to determine | |||
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"Is it only me but when I read posts from those who saying stuff like "let herd immunity take control, the weak will die the strong survive", I think, if they have so little concern for a disease that kills what will their attitude be to STIs??? Surely, they must be riddled with them and happy to pass them on! Makes barebacking threads look tame. "Not necessarily but it does give you an insight into the type of person that they are. | |||
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"If you believe that vaccines would stop anything you are daft. If you think it is 'sweeping' across Europe, you are easily led and gullible If you believe anything on the media and the constant fear mongering you are stupid and need to wake up. " Much better to believe social media. | |||
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""A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law" Viruses and disease have been killing humans for a millennia, and they will continue to do so cos its simply nature at work. Covid passports, quarantines, detaining the unvaccinated, its the beginning of a goddamn authoritarian dystopia. Little by little the governments will seize more power for themselves at the expense of the freedoms of the common ppl "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" ... we are currently living in the beginning of those hard times, how long those hard times will last is yet to be seen but if the ppl freely march in line into the meat grinder then there never will be good times for us all, only for the rich and powerful. Another quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and another quote (i cant remember exactly how it goes) "be wary of those who claim to be your protectors" Does any of this make sense to you? Do you honestly believe the government as an entity has and always will have your best interests in mind? Terror is the most powerful form of persuasion and coercion, and the common ppl have been made to feel terrified of a virus rather than the ppl who want to use you like cattle... are you cattle? Or are you a human being? Think about it for a moment before you switch over to the news channel" Well said,,and its good to see more people awake and putting there common sense to use
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"Is it only me but when I read posts from those who saying stuff like "let herd immunity take control, the weak will die the strong survive", I think, if they have so little concern for a disease that kills what will their attitude be to STIs??? Surely, they must be riddled with them and happy to pass them on! Makes barebacking threads look tame. "
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"Is it only me but when I read posts from those who saying stuff like "let herd immunity take control, the weak will die the strong survive", I think, if they have so little concern for a disease that kills what will their attitude be to STIs??? Surely, they must be riddled with them and happy to pass them on! Makes barebacking threads look tame.
And will that person look out for the person thay are with "I think not. If I was invited to a meet by someone holding those views I would think very carefully. | |||
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" Much better to believe social media." That's really the best you can manage? That is the limit of your ability to form a reply? | |||
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"Is it only me but when I read posts from those who saying stuff like "let herd immunity take control, the weak will die the strong survive", I think, if they have so little concern for a disease that kills what will their attitude be to STIs??? Surely, they must be riddled with them and happy to pass them on! Makes barebacking threads look tame. "Well on the bareback threads you're all champions of liberty and reminding us that it's their choice and I never see anyone saying the NHS should deny them treatment if they get infected with something | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. Your figures aren't even right average uk life expectancy was 81.5 for a start." Sorry had rather a lot of wine, 81 you are right average COVID death is 82. Point still stands. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. Your figures aren't even right average uk life expectancy was 81.5 for a start. Sorry had rather a lot of wine, 81 you are right average COVID death is 82. Point still stands. " The average covid death rate was 82 in October 2020. As the vaccines kicked in the average age of covid death dropped was down to 80 by December 2020 and has continued to drop. The average is obviously skewed by a lot of very old people that died at the beginning when care homes were hung out to dry. If you are really interested in this there is a good article in guardian 24th july. It's not about covid really it about understanding what numbers mean. | |||
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"Is it only me but when I read posts from those who saying stuff like "let herd immunity take control, the weak will die the strong survive", I think, if they have so little concern for a disease that kills what will their attitude be to STIs??? Surely, they must be riddled with them and happy to pass them on! Makes barebacking threads look tame.
Well on the bareback threads you're all champions of liberty and reminding us that it's their choice and I never see anyone saying the NHS should deny them treatment if they get infected with something "I think you missed the concept. It was, those people who do not want or care about covid protection are going to care even less about the lesser STIs diseases. Ergo, they present a risk to health to anyone who meets them, not only from STIs but also Covid-19. | |||
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"I'm still relying on herd immunity. Do you remember that? Herd immunity is the only way to deal with a virus either you catch it develop antibodies. Or you get a vaccination for antibodies or lessen the effects of the virus so you can catch it and develop antibodies. Either way you get it, herd immunity is the only way to combat a virus. You missed out catch it and possibly die, or have long term health issues Well if you die you die. Everyone dies at some point. True, probably bbest to get rid of all medicine then.. See that is an asshole comment to make. Average age of COVID death in the UK is 72 average life expectancy is 71. Catch COVID live a year longer so death being inevitable is a fairly solid argument. Your figures aren't even right average uk life expectancy was 81.5 for a start. Sorry had rather a lot of wine, 81 you are right average COVID death is 82. Point still stands. " you may have missed my post, but I'm confused what your point is with these numbers. I am almost reading it as you saying that covid increases life expectancy which I suspect means I have misunderstood!! | |||
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