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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ?" Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. " Very true all the vaccine does is protect the person who’s had it , but we worked out we had less than a 1 per cent chance of dying if Covid without the vaccine and with it about 00.3 ,so got other illnesses that we worry far more about , | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. " some use Gibraltar as a case study for vaccine failure. I've yet to see evidence if it stops the spread (or evidence it doesn't) appears to be both camos are guessing somewhat. Hard to prove tho. Vaccines allow more cases without putting pressure on hospitals or higher deaths. That's where Gib seems to be. It's either reduce the number of cases per X that become serious or reduce the number of cases. There's a load of ways of doing this, I agree. One of which seems to be vaccines every six months. Different people have different opinions in this. But that doesn't mean those who want to reduce the % if cases that turn serious as bed wetters. | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. some use Gibraltar as a case study for vaccine failure. I've yet to see evidence if it stops the spread (or evidence it doesn't) appears to be both camos are guessing somewhat. Hard to prove tho. Vaccines allow more cases without putting pressure on hospitals or higher deaths. That's where Gib seems to be. It's either reduce the number of cases per X that become serious or reduce the number of cases. There's a load of ways of doing this, I agree. One of which seems to be vaccines every six months. Different people have different opinions in this. But that doesn't mean those who want to reduce the % if cases that turn serious as bed wetters. " It's not a failure of the vaccine per se, it's that no matter what you do, there are always hysterical people who want more restrictions / more vaccines / more lockdowns. Those are the bed wetters. Most of Europe is still scapegoating the unvaccinated, but even once there aren't any unvaccinated, they are still scared. | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. some use Gibraltar as a case study for vaccine failure. I've yet to see evidence if it stops the spread (or evidence it doesn't) appears to be both camos are guessing somewhat. Hard to prove tho. Vaccines allow more cases without putting pressure on hospitals or higher deaths. That's where Gib seems to be. It's either reduce the number of cases per X that become serious or reduce the number of cases. There's a load of ways of doing this, I agree. One of which seems to be vaccines every six months. Different people have different opinions in this. But that doesn't mean those who want to reduce the % if cases that turn serious as bed wetters. It's not a failure of the vaccine per se, it's that no matter what you do, there are always hysterical people who want more restrictions / more vaccines / more lockdowns. Those are the bed wetters. Most of Europe is still scapegoating the unvaccinated, but even once there aren't any unvaccinated, they are still scared. " always gonna be people who want more or different. Just need to make sure not everyone with a various views is linked togethwr ... False dichotomies and all. And I agree people will continue to be fearful. Because humans are wired to be fearful. And have been given half the information as we've gone along. Vaccines are part of what we need to do IMO. But were sold as a silver bullet. And now there are still case and deaths.... Fear. Add in a few juicy stories ... And fear. | |||
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" Vaccines are part of what we need to do IMO. " What does that even mean? The adult population is 93% vaccinated, it's done. | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ?" Level of freedom vs pre-covid? Exactly the same. Other than it appearing on the news in other countries its been pretty much ignored. That's what is making everyone scratch their heads at this unexpected turn in the spotlight. | |||
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"I've spent most the summer down in Gibraltar as have family there. I agree with the author in xmas isn't cancelled. The other factor I'd add in is it certainly isn't 100% all vaccinated as some news channels are purporting or even 118% as one figure was given. Or maybe I'll delicately put it another way: The 'official figures' may say this but the reality is different... if you catch my drift." Reuters says 139%. Why would the official figures be so wrong? | |||
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"I've spent most the summer down in Gibraltar as have family there. I agree with the author in xmas isn't cancelled. The other factor I'd add in is it certainly isn't 100% all vaccinated as some news channels are purporting or even 118% as one figure was given. Or maybe I'll delicately put it another way: The 'official figures' may say this but the reality is different... if you catch my drift. Reuters says 139%. Why would the official figures be so wrong? " All I can say is 'read between the lines'. If for example you need to be 2 x jabbed to say travel but for what ever reason you'd rather not actually have anything injected in you well that can be 'arranged' for a modest fee shall we say. And it goes on the official figures. I'm sure you can put the rest together. | |||
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"I've spent most the summer down in Gibraltar as have family there. I agree with the author in xmas isn't cancelled. The other factor I'd add in is it certainly isn't 100% all vaccinated as some news channels are purporting or even 118% as one figure was given. Or maybe I'll delicately put it another way: The 'official figures' may say this but the reality is different... if you catch my drift. Reuters says 139%. Why would the official figures be so wrong? All I can say is 'read between the lines'. If for example you need to be 2 x jabbed to say travel but for what ever reason you'd rather not actually have anything injected in you well that can be 'arranged' for a modest fee shall we say. And it goes on the official figures. I'm sure you can put the rest together. " 2+2= bullshit There I put it together for you | |||
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"I've spent most the summer down in Gibraltar as have family there. I agree with the author in xmas isn't cancelled. The other factor I'd add in is it certainly isn't 100% all vaccinated as some news channels are purporting or even 118% as one figure was given. Or maybe I'll delicately put it another way: The 'official figures' may say this but the reality is different... if you catch my drift. Reuters says 139%. Why would the official figures be so wrong? All I can say is 'read between the lines'. If for example you need to be 2 x jabbed to say travel but for what ever reason you'd rather not actually have anything injected in you well that can be 'arranged' for a modest fee shall we say. And it goes on the official figures. I'm sure you can put the rest together. " Oh how naughty of them. I'd never do such a thing to get around bullshit rules. Wouldn't even cross my mind.  | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. " Surely, even if being vaccinated ONLY protects those who are vaccinated by increasing their ability to fight the infection... that in itself would help protect others by reducing the length of time that they are able to infect others. The fact that the vaccines also reduce (not prevent) infections, AND reduce the ability to pass the infection on... obviously means that being vaccinated DOES actually provide protection for others too. | |||
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"I've spent most the summer down in Gibraltar as have family there. I agree with the author in xmas isn't cancelled. The other factor I'd add in is it certainly isn't 100% all vaccinated as some news channels are purporting or even 118% as one figure was given. Or maybe I'll delicately put it another way: The 'official figures' may say this but the reality is different... if you catch my drift. Reuters says 139%. Why would the official figures be so wrong? All I can say is 'read between the lines'. If for example you need to be 2 x jabbed to say travel but for what ever reason you'd rather not actually have anything injected in you well that can be 'arranged' for a modest fee shall we say. And it goes on the official figures. I'm sure you can put the rest together. 2+2= bullshit There I put it together for you" Hahaha. I'm sure you're right. Haha. Thanks, you've made me smile. Hehehehe PS - I assume you've never been to Gib?  | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. Surely, even if being vaccinated ONLY protects those who are vaccinated by increasing their ability to fight the infection... that in itself would help protect others by reducing the length of time that they are able to infect others. The fact that the vaccines also reduce (not prevent) infections, AND reduce the ability to pass the infection on... obviously means that being vaccinated DOES actually provide protection for others too. " Do they fuck. We still see massive new waves in the most vaccinated countries. But just keep pretending it's the unvaccinated no matter how few of them there are. | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. Surely, even if being vaccinated ONLY protects those who are vaccinated by increasing their ability to fight the infection... that in itself would help protect others by reducing the length of time that they are able to infect others. The fact that the vaccines also reduce (not prevent) infections, AND reduce the ability to pass the infection on... obviously means that being vaccinated DOES actually provide protection for others too. Do they fuck. We still see massive new waves in the most vaccinated countries. But just keep pretending it's the unvaccinated no matter how few of them there are. " can't it be more than One thing ? Being unvaxxed may mean higher contagion periods so higher risk of spreading per case https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1 And places with high vaccination rates could also be taking less other precautions Be interesting of viral loads vary with age. | |||
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"I wonder what movement is like coming and going over the gib border? I was planning on going to gib in the new year and staying in la linea in a small hotel and daily walking over the border to go into gib..is this something that is easily doable? I've not looked into anything yet but just realised it may be problematic..any help would be appreciated " I was last there about 5 weeks ago and there were no real issues. Of course it can change at any moment so who know eh? But the rules were (and as far as I'm aware) still the same between 'green flag' countries which is what status Spain and the UK enjoy. Bear in mind a LOT of people who work on the Rock live in Spain and commute daily. Check Gov.UK and/or Foreign Office for clarity https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/gibraltar/entry-requirements Hope that helps! | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. Surely, even if being vaccinated ONLY protects those who are vaccinated by increasing their ability to fight the infection... that in itself would help protect others by reducing the length of time that they are able to infect others. The fact that the vaccines also reduce (not prevent) infections, AND reduce the ability to pass the infection on... obviously means that being vaccinated DOES actually provide protection for others too. Do they fuck. We still see massive new waves in the most vaccinated countries. But just keep pretending it's the unvaccinated no matter how few of them there are. " Very true, but remember- somebody needs to be the scapegoat!!!! | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. Surely, even if being vaccinated ONLY protects those who are vaccinated by increasing their ability to fight the infection... that in itself would help protect others by reducing the length of time that they are able to infect others. The fact that the vaccines also reduce (not prevent) infections, AND reduce the ability to pass the infection on... obviously means that being vaccinated DOES actually provide protection for others too. Do they fuck. We still see massive new waves in the most vaccinated countries. But just keep pretending it's the unvaccinated no matter how few of them there are. can't it be more than One thing ? Being unvaxxed may mean higher contagion periods so higher risk of spreading per case https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1 And places with high vaccination rates could also be taking less other precautions Be interesting of viral loads vary with age. " Yes but then the end result is the same. It's like the people who eat a chocolate bar with half the normal calories so then they have 2  | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. Surely, even if being vaccinated ONLY protects those who are vaccinated by increasing their ability to fight the infection... that in itself would help protect others by reducing the length of time that they are able to infect others. The fact that the vaccines also reduce (not prevent) infections, AND reduce the ability to pass the infection on... obviously means that being vaccinated DOES actually provide protection for others too. Do they fuck. We still see massive new waves in the most vaccinated countries. But just keep pretending it's the unvaccinated no matter how few of them there are. can't it be more than One thing ? Being unvaxxed may mean higher contagion periods so higher risk of spreading per case https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1 And places with high vaccination rates could also be taking less other precautions Be interesting of viral loads vary with age. Yes but then the end result is the same. It's like the people who eat a chocolate bar with half the normal calories so then they have 2 "Are you saying that people with a lower viral load will gang up so they can infect other easier? | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. Surely, even if being vaccinated ONLY protects those who are vaccinated by increasing their ability to fight the infection... that in itself would help protect others by reducing the length of time that they are able to infect others. The fact that the vaccines also reduce (not prevent) infections, AND reduce the ability to pass the infection on... obviously means that being vaccinated DOES actually provide protection for others too. Do they fuck. We still see massive new waves in the most vaccinated countries. But just keep pretending it's the unvaccinated no matter how few of them there are. can't it be more than One thing ? Being unvaxxed may mean higher contagion periods so higher risk of spreading per case https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1 And places with high vaccination rates could also be taking less other precautions Be interesting of viral loads vary with age. Yes but then the end result is the same. It's like the people who eat a chocolate bar with half the normal calories so then they have 2 "more like there's a new bar with 50pc less calories so you can have two. Really, this depends what your goal is. I like the freedom to move about, go to the gym, eat out etc. So I'm okay with more light cases as long as we are not increasing the risk loads (eg hospitalisations and deaths). Others take a different view. Some may have been okay with no vaccines and full freedom. But I'm not saying I'm right. Hell, I'm not even sure if Im starting from the right assumptions, but will try and find evidence to show support for my foundations. And whether vaccines ppl spread less is an area that doesnt seem well evidenced either which way. But in the same vein, ppl probably shouldnt be making arguments and decisions in the assumption there is no spread reduction from vaccines. And it's this point which seems to be significant when it comes to arguing about mandates etc... | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. " Give that Gibraltar has almost all the adult population vaccinated, can you explain how the vaccine doesnt help to protect others. The official figures clearly demonstrate that the vaccine is doing an excellent job. https://mobile.twitter.com/GibraltarGov/status/1461333379199156225 | |||
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"I've spent most the summer down in Gibraltar as have family there. I agree with the author in xmas isn't cancelled. The other factor I'd add in is it certainly isn't 100% all vaccinated as some news channels are purporting or even 118% as one figure was given. Or maybe I'll delicately put it another way: The 'official figures' may say this but the reality is different... if you catch my drift." My understanding is that there are a lot of Spaniard working in Gibraltar who have been vaccinated there but obviously aren't part of the population. This results in vaccinated people being greater than the population. | |||
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" Reuters says 139%. Why would the official figures be so wrong? " Because your government and its media lies to you for its own self serving ends. | |||
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"Has anyone actually read the first post.... its basically saying that the news that they are going into another lockdown and canceling christmas is not true."  | |||
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"Gibraltars death rate seems to be next to nothing versus it's spike in early 2021. I suspect, like UK, theres more of a focus on the serious cases than the case rate ... but as a highly vaccinated region any suggestion the vaccines "aren't working" will be jumped on. OP, what's your level of "freedom" versus pre covid ? Vaccines protecting those that take them isn't the contentious part. It's the supposed taking it to protect others that's poppycock and Gibraltar makes it obvious why. It doesn't stop spread, it makes fuck all reduction and the bet wetters are still going to demand another jab even if you do get two. Surely, even if being vaccinated ONLY protects those who are vaccinated by increasing their ability to fight the infection... that in itself would help protect others by reducing the length of time that they are able to infect others. The fact that the vaccines also reduce (not prevent) infections, AND reduce the ability to pass the infection on... obviously means that being vaccinated DOES actually provide protection for others too. Do they fuck. We still see massive new waves in the most vaccinated countries. But just keep pretending it's the unvaccinated no matter how few of them there are. Very true, but remember- somebody needs to be the scapegoat!!!!" Vaccination does not prevent you becoming infected, it's not a hazmat suit; it's aim is to prevent you dying when infected. It also reduces the need for hospitalisation and shortens the period you are infectious. The end hope is that covid-19 is treated like a common cold or flu and no restrictions are needed because people don't die from it. Saying vaccination does not work because people get infected is like saying cars with brakes still crash so what is the use of bloody brakes? I lived in Gib for 6 years in my life. It is a very crowded place and social distancing is hard to acheive. I also lost a good friend in Gib to covid recently despite their excellent NHS. I don't see the Gib government fabricating figures. There is no benefit to it. | |||
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". Saying vaccination does not work because people get infected is like saying cars with brakes still crash so what is the use of bloody brakes? " The school of dumb analogies is back I see. | |||
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". Saying vaccination does not work because people get infected is like saying cars with brakes still crash so what is the use of bloody brakes? The school of dumb analogies is back I see. " tbf some do seem to believe tej vaccines should be 100pc or they have failed. I've seen wotse anologies ! | |||
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"Has anyone actually read the first post.... its basically saying that the news that they are going into another lockdown and canceling christmas is not true." That's all my post was! Anyway... I've done some digging and got to the bottom of things. Basically the local Gov have cancelled a Christmas office party. Like they did last year. Nothing more. Now what seems to have happened is the press have got a hold of this story and its snowballed into something more. Like one editor infamously quipped "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story" | |||
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"Has anyone actually read the first post.... its basically saying that the news that they are going into another lockdown and canceling christmas is not true. That's all my post was! Anyway... I've done some digging and got to the bottom of things. Basically the local Gov have cancelled a Christmas office party. Like they did last year. Nothing more. Now what seems to have happened is the press have got a hold of this story and its snowballed into something more. Like one editor infamously quipped "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story" " 
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". Saying vaccination does not work because people get infected is like saying cars with brakes still crash so what is the use of bloody brakes? The school of dumb analogies is back I see. tbf some do seem to believe tej vaccines should be 100pc or they have failed. I've seen wotse anologies !" Spot on. What do they say about lateral flow test? Something like 70% of cases picked up. I bet the majority of those who claim they are a waste of time didn't get too many 70% results in school tests. 70% effective test, 70% effective vaccines and 70% effective masks go a very long way towards getting us back to some kind of normality without 500k dead. | |||
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"Has anyone actually read the first post.... its basically saying that the news that they are going into another lockdown and canceling christmas is not true. That's all my post was! Anyway... I've done some digging and got to the bottom of things. Basically the local Gov have cancelled a Christmas office party. Like they did last year. Nothing more. Now what seems to have happened is the press have got a hold of this story and its snowballed into something more. Like one editor infamously quipped "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"
Suspect this thread went on a tangent because Gibraltar is being used in other covid type threads (here and elsewhere)
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". Saying vaccination does not work because people get infected is like saying cars with brakes still crash so what is the use of bloody brakes? The school of dumb analogies is back I see. tbf some do seem to believe tej vaccines should be 100pc or they have failed. I've seen wotse anologies ! Spot on. What do they say about lateral flow test? Something like 70% of cases picked up. I bet the majority of those who claim they are a waste of time didn't get too many 70% results in school tests. 70% effective test, 70% effective vaccines and 70% effective masks go a very long way towards getting us back to some kind of normality without 500k dead." You're not suggesting some things in life aren't binary are you? Thats gonna take some processing. | |||
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". Saying vaccination does not work because people get infected is like saying cars with brakes still crash so what is the use of bloody brakes? The school of dumb analogies is back I see. tbf some do seem to believe tej vaccines should be 100pc or they have failed. I've seen wotse anologies ! Spot on. What do they say about lateral flow test? Something like 70% of cases picked up. I bet the majority of those who claim they are a waste of time didn't get too many 70% results in school tests. 70% effective test, 70% effective vaccines and 70% effective masks go a very long way towards getting us back to some kind of normality without 500k dead. You're not suggesting some things in life aren't binary are you? Thats gonna take some processing. " Incredible isn't it. If the r0 of covid was 10 and the vaccine is 70% effective then 100 positive people infect 30 others. However if those 30 were wearing masks, 20 of them wouldn't get infected so only 10 would. If those 10 develops symptoms and do a LF test then 3 get false negatives. That's 3 infections from the initial 100. Of course, those figures are there as an example. r0 is just over 5 for delta and the vaccine/mask effectiveness figures may not be that high but it demonstrates so many variables making it far from binary. | |||
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". Saying vaccination does not work because people get infected is like saying cars with brakes still crash so what is the use of bloody brakes? The school of dumb analogies is back I see. " The school of arrogance make me right is back I see. | |||
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