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By *atnat85 OP   Woman
over a year ago

northwest

Right then fab- let's open up the realms of debate with this dilemma in

So I'm a nurse, work in a hospital and last October got covid, then pneumonia then suffering from long covid till recently.

December last year I duly went and my first vaccine (pfizer). I was allergic to it ( swollen tongue, pins and needles, tachycardia and hives). Ended up on urgent care and had antihistamines. My occy health dept kind of left me alone after that and no one would commit to what I should do next.

Then rumours that nhs staff will be mandated to have the vaccine so I thought I would look into having the moderna vaccine. Spoke to a pharmacist who said moderna is the same molecule as Pfizer and so I would have an allergic reaction to that also. Leaving astrazeneca- which is not recommended in the under 40s due to risk of clots ( unless nothing else available)

So my options

1) stay unvaxed and be at risk of covid (deffo not keen to have it again!)

2) have pfizer/moderna knowing that I will react to it- and likely to be more severe allergic reaction

3)have AZ and be st risk of clots (seen 1st hand cases at Work

So keep it friendly- what would up do?

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

1. I cannot have the vaccines either

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I would ask to have a conversation with a specialist at your hospital who deals with allergy and suchlike. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are both mRNA vaccines but it's not the mRNA that causes allergic reactions. It's the excipient liquid, specifically usually something called PEG (polyethylene glycol). Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do contain PEG.

Then would be the conversation about the actual risk of clots with the AZ. The risk is incredibly low, to use comparable stats, you are many times more likely to get a clot from taking any form of hormonal contraception and it's on a similar level of risk to being struck by lightning.

I would advocate getting personalised advice from your workplace, who are far better qualified to discuss in the context of YOUR medical status than anyone here.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Right then fab- let's open up the realms of debate with this dilemma in

So I'm a nurse, work in a hospital and last October got covid, then pneumonia then suffering from long covid till recently.

December last year I duly went and my first vaccine (pfizer). I was allergic to it ( swollen tongue, pins and needles, tachycardia and hives). Ended up on urgent care and had antihistamines. My occy health dept kind of left me alone after that and no one would commit to what I should do next.

Then rumours that nhs staff will be mandated to have the vaccine so I thought I would look into having the moderna vaccine. Spoke to a pharmacist who said moderna is the same molecule as Pfizer and so I would have an allergic reaction to that also. Leaving astrazeneca- which is not recommended in the under 40s due to risk of clots ( unless nothing else available)

So my options

1) stay unvaxed and be at risk of covid (deffo not keen to have it again!)

2) have pfizer/moderna knowing that I will react to it- and likely to be more severe allergic reaction

3)have AZ and be st risk of clots (seen 1st hand cases at Work

So keep it friendly- what would up do?"

A few questions how do they know which ingredient you were allergic to in the Pfizer vaccine ? The contents of the Moderna vaccine are not identical. You wouldn't generally be offered the AZ vaccine as you are under 40, but obviously the chances of blood clots from covid are still several times higher than from the AZ vaccine. If you talk to your gp there are ways round things sometimes, patch test etc. Of course You may be one of those rare unlucky people that cannot have any of the vaccines,but as you probably know already finding a way to have one of the vaccines is best.

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By *traight_no_iceMan
over a year ago

Stoke

2. Since your very bad allergic reaction got treated successfully with antihistamines.

You work as a nurse so this is a risk factor already. You had also a but bout of covid last year. If (knock wood) you catch the delta varriant isn’t likely to be bad?

You are a bit between a rock and a hard place but what caused you a greater suffering? The pneumonia together with the long covid or the bad allergic reaction?

Good luck!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about since you’ve already had covid your body will have built up its own immunities to it. I’d not bother having another vaccine but then o haven’t even had the first one, fuck that. I had covid in September and was no worse than a cold.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Immunity to Covid appears to wane, so I'd be looking to strengthen my immunity. I'd speak with my GP and get their support/referral.

I'd look at a pneumonia shot too - it would only protect against some bacterial pneumonia but once you've had it once, you don't want to suffer again!

I'd definitely be looking at getting any of them, other than Pfizer, if in your shoes.

Infection levels are very high and winter is a hotbed for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd talk to a doctor and get their advice.

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By *ond Jimmy BondMan
over a year ago

London


"Right then fab- let's open up the realms of debate with this dilemma in

So I'm a nurse, work in a hospital and last October got covid, then pneumonia then suffering from long covid till recently.

December last year I duly went and my first vaccine (pfizer). I was allergic to it ( swollen tongue, pins and needles, tachycardia and hives). Ended up on urgent care and had antihistamines. My occy health dept kind of left me alone after that and no one would commit to what I should do next.

Then rumours that nhs staff will be mandated to have the vaccine so I thought I would look into having the moderna vaccine. Spoke to a pharmacist who said moderna is the same molecule as Pfizer and so I would have an allergic reaction to that also. Leaving astrazeneca- which is not recommended in the under 40s due to risk of clots ( unless nothing else available)

So my options

1) stay unvaxed and be at risk of covid (deffo not keen to have it again!)

2) have pfizer/moderna knowing that I will react to it- and likely to be more severe allergic reaction

3)have AZ and be st risk of clots (seen 1st hand cases at Work

So keep it friendly- what would up do?"

I’d have the AZ vaccine because the blood clots issue is still very rare isn’t it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would ask to have a conversation with a specialist at your hospital who deals with allergy and suchlike. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are both mRNA vaccines but it's not the mRNA that causes allergic reactions. It's the excipient liquid, specifically usually something called PEG (polyethylene glycol). Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do contain PEG.

Then would be the conversation about the actual risk of clots with the AZ. The risk is incredibly low, to use comparable stats, you are many times more likely to get a clot from taking any form of hormonal contraception and it's on a similar level of risk to being struck by lightning.

I would advocate getting personalised advice from your workplace, who are far better qualified to discuss in the context of YOUR medical status than anyone here.

"

Absolutely this!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look for another job

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By *atnat85 OP   Woman
over a year ago

northwest


"I would ask to have a conversation with a specialist at your hospital who deals with allergy and suchlike. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are both mRNA vaccines but it's not the mRNA that causes allergic reactions. It's the excipient liquid, specifically usually something called PEG (polyethylene glycol). Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do contain PEG.

Then would be the conversation about the actual risk of clots with the AZ. The

I would advocate getting personalised advice from your workplace, who are far better qualified to discuss in the context of YOUR medical status than anyone here.

Absolutely this!!

"

Obviously I will be going through the occy health doctors for their advice etc I just thought it would prompt an interesting debate.

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By *atnat85 OP   Woman
over a year ago

northwest


"Look for another job"

Deffo not- I love my job, it's pays relatively well and I wouldn't want to waste all my extra studies and the future study/career progression I have coming up x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need proper advice not fab advice…

Speak to the allergy clinic in your hospital (or ask GP for referral). You may be ok with AZ (risk of clot low and blown up for political / financial reasons as far as I can see) but this is fairly specialised so seek a proper opinion.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"I'd talk to a doctor and get their advice. "

Absolutely this.

Your a Nurse. Consult your professional colleagues for a correct diagnosis, rather than a bunch of random people on a swinger site.

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By *atnat85 OP   Woman
over a year ago

northwest


"I'd talk to a doctor and get their advice.

Absolutely this.

Your a Nurse. Consult your professional colleagues for a correct diagnosis, rather than a bunch of random people on a swinger site. "

As I said earlier I will be going through the correct channels- I was just interested in other people's views for the purpose of debate/ see what views are/ discussion

I know how/what/who I need to do/consult/seek professional advice_help from!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

My view is seek professional advice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Right then fab- let's open up the realms of debate with this dilemma in

So I'm a nurse, work in a hospital and last October got covid, then pneumonia then suffering from long covid till recently.

December last year I duly went and my first vaccine (pfizer). I was allergic to it ( swollen tongue, pins and needles, tachycardia and hives). Ended up on urgent care and had antihistamines. My occy health dept kind of left me alone after that and no one would commit to what I should do next.

Then rumours that nhs staff will be mandated to have the vaccine so I thought I would look into having the moderna vaccine. Spoke to a pharmacist who said moderna is the same molecule as Pfizer and so I would have an allergic reaction to that also. Leaving astrazeneca- which is not recommended in the under 40s due to risk of clots ( unless nothing else available)

So my options

1) stay unvaxed and be at risk of covid (deffo not keen to have it again!)

2) have pfizer/moderna knowing that I will react to it- and likely to be more severe allergic reaction

3)have AZ and be st risk of clots (seen 1st hand cases at Work

So keep it friendly- what would up do?"

Option 2 would not be on the table if it were me.

I would lean towards option 1 if you are young, healthy with no Covid risk factors or option 3 if you are older or with risk factors.

I'd also discuss with a doctor qualified to assist. (NOT a GP, or Occy Health who will have your employer's interests above your own)

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading


"I would ask to have a conversation with a specialist at your hospital who deals with allergy and suchlike. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are both mRNA vaccines but it's not the mRNA that causes allergic reactions. It's the excipient liquid, specifically usually something called PEG (polyethylene glycol). Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do contain PEG.

Then would be the conversation about the actual risk of clots with the AZ. The risk is incredibly low, to use comparable stats, you are many times more likely to get a clot from taking any form of hormonal contraception and it's on a similar level of risk to being struck by lightning.

I would advocate getting personalised advice from your workplace, who are far better qualified to discuss in the context of YOUR medical status than anyone here.

"

Mic drop

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area


"I would ask to have a conversation with a specialist at your hospital who deals with allergy and suchlike. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are both mRNA vaccines but it's not the mRNA that causes allergic reactions. It's the excipient liquid, specifically usually something called PEG (polyethylene glycol). Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do contain PEG.

Then would be the conversation about the actual risk of clots with the AZ. The risk is incredibly low, to use comparable stats, you are many times more likely to get a clot from taking any form of hormonal contraception and it's on a similar level of risk to being struck by lightning.

I would advocate getting personalised advice from your workplace, who are far better qualified to discuss in the context of YOUR medical status than anyone here.

"

Having completed the covid vaccine training it discusses severe allergic reaction and I have to agree with this.

However I would seek advise from the allergy specialist at the hospital, rather than doctors at your workplace.

If it was me in your position, I'd have the AstraZeneca vaccine, or Pfizer given under supervision at a specialist allergy unit.

I'd also have the pneumonia jab. I hope you get sorted to keep safe.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I would ask to have a conversation with a specialist at your hospital who deals with allergy and suchlike. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are both mRNA vaccines but it's not the mRNA that causes allergic reactions. It's the excipient liquid, specifically usually something called PEG (polyethylene glycol). Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do contain PEG.

Then would be the conversation about the actual risk of clots with the AZ. The risk is incredibly low, to use comparable stats, you are many times more likely to get a clot from taking any form of hormonal contraception and it's on a similar level of risk to being struck by lightning.

I would advocate getting personalised advice from your workplace, who are far better qualified to discuss in the context of YOUR medical status than anyone here.

Having completed the covid vaccine training it discusses severe allergic reaction and I have to agree with this.

However I would seek advise from the allergy specialist at the hospital, rather than doctors at your workplace.

If it was me in your position, I'd have the AstraZeneca vaccine, or Pfizer given under supervision at a specialist allergy unit.

I'd also have the pneumonia jab. I hope you get sorted to keep safe.

"

The first line of my advice is seek advice from an allergy specialist

Completely agree with you on all counts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you haven't been completely wiped out by your 10th/11th booster then just crack on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm under 40 and had AZ for both of my jabs. I've had no problems, though that's just my experience.

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By *hrobbermanMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

I would suggest

1. Keep regular hours.

2. Make sure you get at least five-a-day.

3. Top up with a multi-vitamin.

4. Regular exercise and plenty of fresh air.

5. Eat sensibly and (if you drink) reduce alcohol consumption to minimal amounts.

If you have already had Covid you will have developed some immunity. Keep your immune system working at its best. That is your best hope.

Remember vaccinations do not stop you catching Covid (or sdpreading it) - and the antibodies you have developed are 100 times better than anything from a vaccination. Your Immune System has had to deal with the whole Cahuna - not just the fine spectrum Pfizer/Moderna (or AstraZeneca) have hosed their vaccinations up against.

Three double-vaxxed colleagues at my school have all had Covid since they had their vaccinations. Boost your Immune System.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I would suggest

1. Keep regular hours.

2. Make sure you get at least five-a-day.

3. Top up with a multi-vitamin.

4. Regular exercise and plenty of fresh air.

5. Eat sensibly and (if you drink) reduce alcohol consumption to minimal amounts.

If you have already had Covid you will have developed some immunity. Keep your immune system working at its best. That is your best hope.

Remember vaccinations do not stop you catching Covid (or sdpreading it) - and the antibodies you have developed are 100 times better than anything from a vaccination. Your Immune System has had to deal with the whole Cahuna - not just the fine spectrum Pfizer/Moderna (or AstraZeneca) have hosed their vaccinations up against.

Three double-vaxxed colleagues at my school have all had Covid since they had their vaccinations. Boost your Immune System."

How does a nurse keep regular hours?! Most nursing involves some kind of shift work!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would have a good discussion with occupational health and dr and see if I could be prescribed a anticoagulant such as tinzapiran for a period leading up to and after the vaccine

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