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"I heard discussion of mask and social distancing reintroduction Shag. Plan B isn't very much different from how many of us are behaving currently. Passports were a possible option but I don't think that was definite. " Yes. I also think that it will be more or less the same kind of restrictions as before too with a lockdown also coming soon as well. | |||
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"I heard discussion of mask and social distancing reintroduction Shag. Plan B isn't very much different from how many of us are behaving currently. Passports were a possible option but I don't think that was definite. Yes. I also think that it will be more or less the same kind of restrictions as before too with a lockdown also coming soon as well." Not sure bout another lockdown.. although asking the public to make right and sensible choices.... hang on, yep another lockdown.. public can't be trusted | |||
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"I heard discussion of mask and social distancing reintroduction Shag. Plan B isn't very much different from how many of us are behaving currently. Passports were a possible option but I don't think that was definite. Yes. I also think that it will be more or less the same kind of restrictions as before too with a lockdown also coming soon as well. Not sure bout another lockdown.. although asking the public to make right and sensible choices.... hang on, yep another lockdown.. public can't be trusted" Not sure about another total lockdown like before but the potential for a minority of people to cause some mandatory restrictions on travel and the such like I think could be a possibility if things got that bad. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario Details here on the gov website "At last s9meone can supply some form of evidential back up. Too many posts start from hearsay and neighbours knowing more than scientists. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario Details here on the gov website
At last s9meone can supply some form of evidential back up. Too many posts start from hearsay and neighbours knowing more than scientists."Just a little googling and checking the relivent reputable sources  | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario Details here on the gov website
At last s9meone can supply some form of evidential back up. Too many posts start from hearsay and neighbours knowing more than scientists.
Just a little googling and checking the relivent reputable sources "Which is all people need to do.. thanks for supplying article. | |||
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" Having a plan B wrongly gives the impression they had a plan A ?....or any kind of plan at all ?? as the report from the select comittee showed .. "At the start of the pandemic I don't think there was much of a plan as such as seen from the report but I think since then things have had to change and as such plan A is what we have now, social responsibility and certain amount of freedom as people asked for but if the population can't act responsibly then "plan b" will come into action to try and gain control of the situation before the NHS is put under too much strain and lives are again put at risk. | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be?" I suspect plan B is rather similar to plan A... A blank sheet of paper that they will draw on with crayons at some point. | |||
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"Basically more scaremongering and propaganda to push harder to get “vaccine” passports into society. " We should be open to doing what works and is best for society. Passports could be focused on testing and results, more than vaccines, for example. There's mounting evidence from around the world, as well as the UK, on what tools are effective. | |||
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"Basically more scaremongering and propaganda to push harder to get “vaccine” passports into society. " No not scaremongering, that is what certain sites do by telling people there are living organisms in the vaccine, these are contigancy plans to stop things going to shit again and to reduce the risk to life | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? I suspect plan B is rather similar to plan A... A blank sheet of paper that they will draw on with crayons at some point. " See the link I posted above, it doesn't seem to be blank or written in crayon | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? I suspect plan B is rather similar to plan A... A blank sheet of paper that they will draw on with crayons at some point. See the link I posted above, it doesn't seem to be blank or written in crayon" I'm reading it now... Thanks for the link... | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? I suspect plan B is rather similar to plan A... A blank sheet of paper that they will draw on with crayons at some point. See the link I posted above, it doesn't seem to be blank or written in crayon I'm reading it now... Thanks for the link... " | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? I suspect plan B is rather similar to plan A... A blank sheet of paper that they will draw on with crayons at some point. See the link I posted above, it doesn't seem to be blank or written in crayon I'm reading it now... Thanks for the link... "From reading it.. It seems to say in some places that a "pass" is only to those medically reveiewd and exempt or fully vaccinated (plus a few other exemptions such as police executing their duties etc). So the self administered lft or recovering from a positive pcr seems to have disappeared ? Or have I misread that? | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? I suspect plan B is rather similar to plan A... A blank sheet of paper that they will draw on with crayons at some point. See the link I posted above, it doesn't seem to be blank or written in crayon I'm reading it now... Thanks for the link...
From reading it.. It seems to say in some places that a "pass" is only to those medically reveiewd and exempt or fully vaccinated (plus a few other exemptions such as police executing their duties etc). So the self administered lft or recovering from a positive pcr seems to have disappeared ? Or have I misread that? "I haven't had a good read through it myself to be honest I just found the relevant information that someone asked about. It's far too early still for me to be reading stuff like that I need atleast 3 more coffees before then | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? I suspect plan B is rather similar to plan A... A blank sheet of paper that they will draw on with crayons at some point. See the link I posted above, it doesn't seem to be blank or written in crayon I'm reading it now... Thanks for the link...
From reading it.. It seems to say in some places that a "pass" is only to those medically reveiewd and exempt or fully vaccinated (plus a few other exemptions such as police executing their duties etc). So the self administered lft or recovering from a positive pcr seems to have disappeared ? Or have I misread that?
I haven't had a good read through it myself to be honest I just found the relevant information that someone asked about. It's far too early still for me to be reading stuff like that I need atleast 3 more coffees before then"It does however state the following regarding testing "Allowing negative test results for COVID-19 certification does provide some assurance that an individual is not infectious when the test is taken, and for a short time afterwards. The proposal is therefore that the workforce would be able to vaccinate or test under supervision so that those who choose not to be vaccinated are not prevented from participating in the workforce. The window of protection declines rapidly after the test is taken and regular testing would therefore be needed." This seems to apply to the workforce rather than individuals as I suspect that if they go down the route of vaccine certification it will be that there is a strong need to try and control infection risk thus this would be a better option than implementing another full lock down that risks more damage to the economy than certification would and it also makes allowances for the rights of people who choose not to have the vaccine or are unable to have it on medical grounds aswell. | |||
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"Don't worry guys as soon as the vaccine comes out everything will go back to normal" I don't think that was ever implied to be honest, it has always been the case that things would take time to get back to any form of normal and that the vaccines would be one of a number of tools that would help steer us towards getting the economy restarted and allowing people to socialise more which to the best of my knowledge it has done also it has radically decreased the mortality rate of people that do contract covid. | |||
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"Basically more scaremongering and propaganda to push harder to get “vaccine” passports into society. " All for it if it keeps me, my elderly relatives safe.. | |||
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"Basically more scaremongering and propaganda to push harder to get “vaccine” passports into society. All for it if it keeps me, my elderly relatives safe.." Same here as an asthmatic I already suck at breathing so don't need a virus to make it worse  a little off topic but how is potters bar these days I haven't been there since I was driving for mfi lol | |||
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"Goverment haven't got a scooby doo They never had a plan" See link above it's all there in black and white for people to read | |||
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"Basically more scaremongering and propaganda to push harder to get “vaccine” passports into society. All for it if it keeps me, my elderly relatives safe.." I'm all for the freedom to be alive. | |||
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"All Boris says is we listen to the science. They do when it suits example it was well known by folk being shunted into care homes what would happen still went ahead with it 30000 deaths later. Shows he was prepared for tranche of citizens to die. Now onto current situation plan b basically to do with nhs being overwhelmed as cases have reached dangerous levels hence the science and those involved from nhs are saying we are at or beyond levels that need action now." First up the decision to move people from hospitals to care homes was nothing to do with the government, that little Dozzie was PHE, the body that runs the NHS. Secondly where's the dangerous levels? Theres today 7800 people in hospital with a positive sars-cov2 test, that's 4-5% of capacity, if anything the hospital's are rammed full of people that's been shunted back and overlooked because of inconsistent and fearmongering headlines. | |||
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"Don't worry guys as soon as the vaccine comes out everything will go back to normal I don't think that was ever implied to be honest, it has always been the case that things would take time to get back to any form of normal and that the vaccines would be one of a number of tools that would help steer us towards getting the economy restarted and allowing people to socialise more which to the best of my knowledge it has done also it has radically decreased the mortality rate of people that do contract covid." You're doing a good job of reminding us and fighting the glib social media agenda driven stuff...keep it up! | |||
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"Don't worry guys as soon as the vaccine comes out everything will go back to normal I don't think that was ever implied to be honest, it has always been the case that things would take time to get back to any form of normal and that the vaccines would be one of a number of tools that would help steer us towards getting the economy restarted and allowing people to socialise more which to the best of my knowledge it has done also it has radically decreased the mortality rate of people that do contract covid. You're doing a good job of reminding us and fighting the glib social media agenda driven stuff...keep it up! " More a case of being bored of seeing people taken for a ride by people with their own agendas and the hope that it may encourage people to make well informed choices, I have no issue with people that do not want to take the vaccine that is their choice to make or those that can't for medical reasons as that is out of their hands, I just don't think that the scare mongering and misinformation should be allowed to spread, I know people don't have much faith in the government for what every reason and I myself didn't vote for the bubbling Boris to run the country (I crossed my voting form to show no faith in any of them) and have said from the start that this has been poorly handled but there is information there regarding their plans for dealing with things going forward, whether or not they stick to those plans is another story but we will have to wait and see. As for the vaccine, the science is there, lists of ingredients are there it just takes people to look at reliable sources of information rather than bert on facebook whos friend said this that or the other. | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be?" I'd hope it would involve a written examination to determine common sense and severe penalties for those that fail lol  | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? I'd hope it would involve a written examination to determine common sense and severe penalties for those that fail lol "Can't do exams anymore they've all been cancelled | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be?" Inevitably we are heading towards some form of lockdown, I suspect hospitality will once again be the focus of restrictions. Education seems to already be introducing masks back into the mix amongst rising numbers. | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be?" What was plan A , shambolic , like the scarecrow that leads them.  | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? What was plan A , shambolic , like the scarecrow that leads them. "Plan A - undermine public health policy Plan A2 - we still think public health policy sucks but you plebs might want to do it Plan A3 - reveal that the rules never applied to them again, probably while slipping something ghastly through parliament Plan B - you are very naughty plebs for not doing the things we told you weren't that important. Insert some restrictions here | |||
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"Basically more scaremongering and propaganda to push harder to get “vaccine” passports into society. We should be open to doing what works and is best for society. Passports could be focused on testing and results, more than vaccines, for example. There's mounting evidence from around the world, as well as the UK, on what tools are effective. " Boris Johnson is a tool and he's proved completely ineffective. | |||
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"Basically more scaremongering and propaganda to push harder to get “vaccine” passports into society. " I’ve had a vaccine passport for 20 years, I’ve had an NHS vaccination record for 40 years. What is it that you fear? | |||
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"If it's anti vaxers and anti maskers that are snuffing it so be it there choice" It's not just them, and even if it were, a) that's harsh, and b) it's not fair on the NHS. | |||
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"If it's anti vaxers and anti maskers that are snuffing it so be it there choice It's not just them, and even if it were, a) that's harsh, and b) it's not fair on the NHS." Thanks to them it's getting worse I feel for the NHS it's not there fault It proved EU countries kept to the plan we didn't | |||
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"A complete fuck up. Because the government does not have the balls to take the necessary action that is needed. They are more concerned about being popular than making the right decisions. The reality that people seams to be forgotten is that we elect the government to make the correct decisions which not always popular. They have accesses to the experts with the knowledge but often refuse to take there advice because the want to remain popular and to Hell with the result. " Almost right… the government aren’t scared of the public reaction, they are scared of their own backbencher’s who were the most loud in wanted to get rid of the restrictions Plus they now have a business man in charge at the department of health and he won’t budge until he absolutely needs to rather than being proactive | |||
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"Plan A is supposed to be the booster vaccine for over 50s and clinically vulnerable. Javed threatens people today that if they don't get their booster, there is the risk of bringing restrictions in again. But my mid 70s parents and vulnerable friends, inc me, are waiting for their vaccine appointments. Looks to me like govt covering up a logistical failure to roll out the booster quickly enough by instead blaming the public." | |||
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" Having a plan B wrongly gives the impression they had a plan A ?....or any kind of plan at all ?? as the report from the select comittee showed .. "Yes, there is a Plan B Did you not hear "let the bodies pile up on the streets" as strangely, even at predicted 100,000 infections per day 'they' are not ready for masks and distancing. Should never had got rid of these restrictions in the first place. Get your freezers packed, lockdown starts beginning December - unless he wants to "Save Christmas" again and write off another few thousand loved ones, in which case it will be the day after the first day of school term in January. | |||
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"A complete fuck up. Because the government does not have the balls to take the necessary action that is needed. They are more concerned about being popular than making the right decisions. The reality that people seams to be forgotten is that we elect the government to make the correct decisions which not always popular. They have accesses to the experts with the knowledge but often refuse to take there advice because the want to remain popular and to Hell with the result. Almost right… the government aren’t scared of the public reaction, they are scared of their own backbencher’s who were the most loud in wanted to get rid of the restrictions Plus they now have a business man in charge at the department of health and he won’t budge until he absolutely needs to rather than being proactive " Exactly. Listen to yesterday's "The World At One" for some very good Plan A / Plan B analysis, prior to Javid's speech, last night. As far as what he said goes, it really amounted to 'get your jab and use a bit of common sense and self-discipline'. Clearly, that's in order that the Govt. can blame the people when they get ill and bugger the NHS because they haven't done what they've been asked to. After all, how many times do people need to be told? The BMA disagree - because they know better (and care more) than Javid does; and he's not listening. | |||
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"A complete fuck up. Because the government does not have the balls to take the necessary action that is needed. They are more concerned about being popular than making the right decisions. The reality that people seams to be forgotten is that we elect the government to make the correct decisions which not always popular. They have accesses to the experts with the knowledge but often refuse to take there advice because the want to remain popular and to Hell with the result. Almost right… the government aren’t scared of the public reaction, they are scared of their own backbencher’s who were the most loud in wanted to get rid of the restrictions Plus they now have a business man in charge at the department of health and he won’t budge until he absolutely needs to rather than being proactive " I think calling Javid a “businessman” is a bit of a stretch. He is an ex-banker who gambled with other people’s money. | |||
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"Love that I get a PM from someone who then blocks themselves not allowing me to respond. TWAT!!" it happens mate i got called a tory cunt twice by the same person two days on the trot.i wouldnt mind but i dont even vote lol luckily i managed to send him a couole of cock pics before he blocked me | |||
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"Did they ever have a plan "Culls? | |||
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"A complete fuck up. Because the government does not have the balls to take the necessary action that is needed. They are more concerned about being popular than making the right decisions. The reality that people seams to be forgotten is that we elect the government to make the correct decisions which not always popular. They have accesses to the experts with the knowledge but often refuse to take there advice because the want to remain popular and to Hell with the result. Almost right… the government aren’t scared of the public reaction, they are scared of their own backbencher’s who were the most loud in wanted to get rid of the restrictions Plus they now have a business man in charge at the department of health and he won’t budge until he absolutely needs to rather than being proactive ----- I think calling Javid a “businessman” is a bit of a stretch. He is an ex-banker who gambled with other people’s money." He is a businessman because he charged them a fee for doing it and made money regardless of the outcome. | |||
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"The newspapers are hinting it's coming *shrug*" It’s not a matter of if, its when. | |||
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"The newspapers are hinting it's coming *shrug* It’s not a matter of if, its when." Sure. Probably after the powers that be leave Glasgow | |||
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" Having a plan B wrongly gives the impression they had a plan A ?....or any kind of plan at all ?? as the report from the select comittee showed .. "Never a truer word spoken! It's been a shit show from day 1, but when we have sociopaths governing us, it comes as no surprise really  | |||
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"Myself and my family, who luckily live close by, decided to "lock down", long before the first official lockdown. We could see it coming from Europe, so obviously, the whole cabinet must have needed an eye test, not just Dom, as they didn't seem to see it coming! We've kept ourselves as safe as we possibly can by using common sense. We haven't really listened to the fuckwits in power as our belief was that they wanted herd immunity from day one. So, when others were raving it up because lockdown had ended, we didn't. We still wore masks, socially distanced and were very careful about who we let into our circle. The examples of Darwinism I have seen throughout this pandemic never cease to amaze me. Are we such a country of sheep that we listen to advice from a bunch of sociopaths? Are people so brainwashed that we believe them when they're effectively gaslighting us into thinking everything is fine and dandy? Evidently, yes! The nanny state wants control and some of the population seem quite happy with that. Everyone is responsible for their own personal safety. Listen to the science not the people who do not give a toss as to whether we live or die. " | |||
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" as our belief was that they wanted herd immunity from day one. " My belief was that they wanted a pile of corpses, and not rich ones. A belief that has been reinforced as the epidemic of stupidity has become govt policy. | |||
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"Myself and my family, who luckily live close by, decided to "lock down", long before the first official lockdown. We could see it coming from Europe, so obviously, the whole cabinet must have needed an eye test, not just Dom, as they didn't seem to see it coming! We've kept ourselves as safe as we possibly can by using common sense. We haven't really listened to the fuckwits in power as our belief was that they wanted herd immunity from day one. So, when others were raving it up because lockdown had ended, we didn't. We still wore masks, socially distanced and were very careful about who we let into our circle. The examples of Darwinism I have seen throughout this pandemic never cease to amaze me. Are we such a country of sheep that we listen to advice from a bunch of sociopaths? Are people so brainwashed that we believe them when they're effectively gaslighting us into thinking everything is fine and dandy? Evidently, yes! The nanny state wants control and some of the population seem quite happy with that. Everyone is responsible for their own personal safety. Listen to the science not the people who do not give a toss as to whether we live or die. " So much. Ignore the government, take cover, save lives. | |||
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" as our belief was that they wanted herd immunity from day one. My belief was that they wanted a pile of corpses, and not rich ones. A belief that has been reinforced as the epidemic of stupidity has become govt policy. " | |||
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"The newspapers are hinting it's coming *shrug* It’s not a matter of if, its when." No i dont think so they need to sell papers, cases are dropping and will drop further now the kids are off school for half term.The latest modelling says 5000 cases a day by xmas so will have to see how that pans out. | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be?" vaccine pass ; mandatory jabs for nhs staff ; school closures and lockdown in time for Christmas. | |||
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"I dont know all about it, but I heard that the government will enforce "plan b" with more restrictions as covid cases goes up, what kind of restrictions would it be? vaccine pass ; mandatory jabs for nhs staff ; school closures and lockdown in time for Christmas. " Followed by lockdown for global warming within a couple of years...t'is a Rosey future for all of us jabbed or unjabbed | |||
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