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"Going back to being a prison island lol" Yes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that? | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that?" I think they setting them up ostensibly for people entering the country to quarantine in. As opposed to what happens here when you fly in from a red list country where you have to pay for a government hotel It's as bad as their mobile phone app where you have to send a location picture on request | |||
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that." Gonna post some evidence Shag to back this up? I asked for links to clips of the police brutality on another thread you started but nothing materialised. Feel free to share so people have some fact _ased evidence to build their responses on.  | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that?" Do you have evidence Shag? I can understand the importance of isolation of people, who may be infected and a risk to others. | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that? I think they setting them up ostensibly for people entering the country to quarantine in. As opposed to what happens here when you fly in from a red list country where you have to pay for a government hotel It's as bad as their mobile phone app where you have to send a location picture on request" Yes, we will see what will happen there. | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that? Do you have evidence Shag? I can understand the importance of isolation of people, who may be infected and a risk to others. " There is an article on it here. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/20/world/australia/howard-springs-quarantine.html | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that? Do you have evidence Shag? I can understand the importance of isolation of people, who may be infected and a risk to others. " There's only one that's been built You can't always post links here do of you Google 'howard springs quarantine centre' you'll see the info | |||
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that. Gonna post some evidence Shag to back this up? I asked for links to clips of the police brutality on another thread you started but nothing materialised. Feel free to share so people have some fact _ased evidence to build their responses on. "Well. I have seen most of it on the news and clips, so not so many links about it. | |||
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that. Gonna post some evidence Shag to back this up? I asked for links to clips of the police brutality on another thread you started but nothing materialised. Feel free to share so people have some fact _ased evidence to build their responses on. Well. I have seen most of it on the news and clips, so not so many links about it."Funny you say that Shag as I searched for all these "police brutality" clips after a previous thread and I found 2. One of a guy being pushed over in a train station  (admittedly heavy handedly) and the old lady clip.
Out of interest how many Police ended up in hospital after being assaulted during the protests?
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that? Do you have evidence Shag? I can understand the importance of isolation of people, who may be infected and a risk to others. There's only one that's been built You can't always post links here do of you Google 'howard springs quarantine centre' you'll see the info" You are right there too, we cant always post all the links that we want too, but yes, it is all over google that one too. | |||
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"We live in an age of information (and disinformation, unfortunately) and news and other clips should be available online. Not sure why these links can’t be posted." They don't exist, simples. Unless you only get access to them if you're a subscriber and for that privilege you have to be an anti-vaxxer or anti-lockdown. | |||
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"We live in an age of information (and disinformation, unfortunately) and news and other clips should be available online. Not sure why these links can’t be posted. They don't exist, simples. Unless you only get access to them if you're a subscriber and for that privilege you have to be an anti-vaxxer or anti-lockdown. " | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that? Do you have evidence Shag? I can understand the importance of isolation of people, who may be infected and a risk to others. There's only one that's been built You can't always post links here do of you Google 'howard springs quarantine centre' you'll see the infoYou are right there too, we cant always post all the links that we want too, but yes, it is all over google that one too." You can't use that as an excuse, the rules tell you what can be posted. | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that? Do you have evidence Shag? I can understand the importance of isolation of people, who may be infected and a risk to others. There's only one that's been built You can't always post links here do of you Google 'howard springs quarantine centre' you'll see the infoYou are right there too, we cant always post all the links that we want too, but yes, it is all over google that one too. You can't use that as an excuse, the rules tell you what can be posted. " Alright then https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/04/beyond-marketing-cliches-inside-howard-springs-quarantine-centre-i-find-shelter https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-07/nt-howard-springs-set-to-reach-capacity-quarantine/100358058 | |||
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"We live in an age of information (and disinformation, unfortunately) and news and other clips should be available online. Not sure why these links can’t be posted. They don't exist, simples. Unless you only get access to them if you're a subscriber and for that privilege you have to be an anti-vaxxer or anti-lockdown. "There's the links It DOES exist Ignorance in one thing. Wilful ignorance is not | |||
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"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Springs,_Northern_Territory Fuck sake" Wikipedia is not a reliable source because people can contribute there whatever they want, whether true or false. | |||
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I posted one but all you have done is complain about the OP and ignored it. It isn't behind a paywall for your first view"TBH I didn't see your post as I had been responding directly to Shag. I've just opened your link and it's begind a paywall so can't access it I'm afraid. | |||
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"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Springs,_Northern_Territory Fuck sake Wikipedia is not a reliable source because people can contribute there whatever they want, whether true or false. " It's far from that simple but whatever The existence of the facility is beyond doubt so your comment is pointless | |||
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"Why do people always demand evidence for things that can be easily searched on google? I’ve just searched “Australia police brutality” and found several articles. There’s also videos all over Twitter and Facebook from the various protests and incidents. And there’s been a link posted about the camps. You can’t scream “antivaxxer” and say you’ve debunked something because the poster didn’t provide a link. Google it. It’s not hard. " I have Googled it though (and no it wasn't hard) and as stated above I found a couple of videos and any articles all refer back to the same 2 incidents. I'm not denying they happened but people are claiming on here that it's rife. Forgive me but in my world 2 incidents of police "brutality" doesn't exactly constitute rife behaviour. As for the quarantine centre... I'm not sure what the big deal is. Having skim-read a couple of the articles online, isn't it just a facility for repatriated Aussies (coming back from abroad) and for those who wish to move interstate to quarantine? They're designed to stop the spread of COVID so unless people are being held in cells (which from the reviews I've seen they're not and the facilities/food etc are good) what's the issue? | |||
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"As for the app which requires you to send photo evidence that you are at home https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-quarantine-trial-work/100398878 Again, it's real. " I wish we had that over here last year tbh. It would've made people think twice before constantly breaking lockdowns while everyone else was trying their best to contain the spread of COVID. | |||
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"As for the app which requires you to send photo evidence that you are at home https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-quarantine-trial-work/100398878 Again, it's real. " Imagine a country using ubiquitous technology to keep control of a disease that has caused such international chaos. Imagine semi autonomous regions within a country wanting control of their borders. Shocking  | |||
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"As for the app which requires you to send photo evidence that you are at home https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-quarantine-trial-work/100398878 Again, it's real. Imagine a country using ubiquitous technology to keep control of a disease that has caused such international chaos. Imagine semi autonomous regions within a country wanting control of their borders. Shocking "Mostly these governments get away with it because people will just go along to get along to feel safe | |||
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"Now you can argue both the facility and the app make sense in this situation, at the time The issue is that people are naturally distrustful of government over reach No government is beyond being capable of evil, whether through incompetence, corruption etc You can throw a dart in a world map and come across numerous examples of God awful governments that run roughshod over the citizens of the country To be so arrogant as to believe that western government couldn't possibly do similar is ridiculous Government is just people. And history shows time and time again that people are capable of atrocities when power goes unchecked" I'm arguing that this is in keeping with long standing British law and Australian practice (forgive me, I can't be arsed looking up the law of six states, two territories, and the federal government) and that a huge fuss is being made over nothing. I'd further argue that while people are fretting over standard public health practice, there are other movements we should be more concerned about - the restrictions on the right to protest in the UK, for instance. | |||
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"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Springs,_Northern_Territory Fuck sake Wikipedia is not a reliable source because people can contribute there whatever they want, whether true or false. It's far from that simple but whatever The existence of the facility is beyond doubt so your comment is pointless" Not at all. I had to educate you. Now that you know, you can stir clear of wikipedia. It is a source but not a reliable source. I save you time. | |||
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"As for the app which requires you to send photo evidence that you are at home https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-quarantine-trial-work/100398878 Again, it's real. Imagine a country using ubiquitous technology to keep control of a disease that has caused such international chaos. Imagine semi autonomous regions within a country wanting control of their borders. Shocking
Mostly these governments get away with it because people will just go along to get along to feel safe"Like the UK government is getting away with higher levels of school disruption and letting a novel disease with unknown long term effects rip through kids - because we all cried freedom from the fascist monstrous tyranny of wearing cloth on our faces? Bloody honestly. | |||
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"Howard Springs exists, with a cringey name given by the Australian federal government. I'm pleased it's not an old refugee camp, because that probably means living conditions are half decent. (Refugee camps for Australia are overseas, where Australian human rights laws don't apply) I'd like to know how this kind of system is so different from long standing UK law on notifiable diseases? https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22/part/II/crossheading/infectious-persons/enacted?view=plain" It isn't, in fact I would say a bit better as at least they can sit outside when they want and not confined to a hotel room | |||
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"Now you can argue both the facility and the app make sense in this situation, at the time The issue is that people are naturally distrustful of government over reach No government is beyond being capable of evil, whether through incompetence, corruption etc You can throw a dart in a world map and come across numerous examples of God awful governments that run roughshod over the citizens of the country To be so arrogant as to believe that western government couldn't possibly do similar is ridiculous Government is just people. And history shows time and time again that people are capable of atrocities when power goes unchecked" It is a health issue, trying to keep a disease at bay | |||
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"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Springs,_Northern_Territory Fuck sake Wikipedia is not a reliable source because people can contribute there whatever they want, whether true or false. It's far from that simple but whatever The existence of the facility is beyond doubt so your comment is pointless" Reading a few articles about the "facility", it looks to be rather pleasant individual chalets, air conditioned, hot and cold water, toilet, shower, veranda where you can sit in the breeze sheltered from the sun, meals delivered, medical services, tv, internet. Residents can go for walks and chat with each other (outdoors, masked and keeping a few feet distance - omg, the indignanty of it!). It's hardly concentration camps! To be quite honest, as long as I was allowed a few books to read, I think that I would find it to be a very pleasant place for a holiday. Somewhere to chill out, unwind from the rat race, get away from the hustle bustle, breathe clean air away from the cities... | |||
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"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Springs,_Northern_Territory Fuck sake Wikipedia is not a reliable source because people can contribute there whatever they want, whether true or false. It's far from that simple but whatever The existence of the facility is beyond doubt so your comment is pointless Reading a few articles about the "facility", it looks to be rather pleasant individual chalets, air conditioned, hot and cold water, toilet, shower, veranda where you can sit in the breeze sheltered from the sun, meals delivered, medical services, tv, internet. Residents can go for walks and chat with each other (outdoors, masked and keeping a few feet distance - omg, the indignanty of it!). It's hardly concentration camps! To be quite honest, as long as I was allowed a few books to read, I think that I would find it to be a very pleasant place for a holiday. Somewhere to chill out, unwind from the rat race, get away from the hustle bustle, breathe clean air away from the cities..." It's certainly a lot better than "offshore processing" of refugees in Nauru - where the long arm of Australian human rights law can't reach and protect the refugees. (Yes I have been against this vile fascist abuse of power since its inception. Australia definitely has skeletons in its closet) | |||
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"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Springs,_Northern_Territory Fuck sake Wikipedia is not a reliable source because people can contribute there whatever they want, whether true or false. It's far from that simple but whatever The existence of the facility is beyond doubt so your comment is pointless Not at all. I had to educate you. Now that you know, you can stir clear of wikipedia. It is a source but not a reliable source. I save you time." There is no need for that to be fair. I am sure you wouldn't want to be spoken to that way As explained on a thread you started where people questioned your source, questioning the source just sends the thread a different way. Whether you believe one source or not, this story is true and he provided other links. You defended your link saying it can be found in a few places when people questioned your source. Lets get back to the subject please | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that? Do you have evidence Shag? I can understand the importance of isolation of people, who may be infected and a risk to others. There is an article on it here. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/20/world/australia/howard-springs-quarantine.html" Thanks | |||
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that." I am deeply concerned that the Victorian (Melbourne) government in particular is very heavy handed and has been for some time. Not just the restrictions but the way that they're explained to people - shutting down media questions.I have friends in Australia as well as family and what I'm hearing is not good. I have never ever seen anything like it in Australia - the government approach nor the public response. | |||
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"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Springs,_Northern_Territory Fuck sake Wikipedia is not a reliable source because people can contribute there whatever they want, whether true or false. It's far from that simple but whatever The existence of the facility is beyond doubt so your comment is pointless Reading a few articles about the "facility", it looks to be rather pleasant individual chalets, air conditioned, hot and cold water, toilet, shower, veranda where you can sit in the breeze sheltered from the sun, meals delivered, medical services, tv, internet. Residents can go for walks and chat with each other (outdoors, masked and keeping a few feet distance - omg, the indignanty of it!). It's hardly concentration camps! To be quite honest, as long as I was allowed a few books to read, I think that I would find it to be a very pleasant place for a holiday. Somewhere to chill out, unwind from the rat race, get away from the hustle bustle, breathe clean air away from the cities..." If they out a tui label on it it would be a holiday park | |||
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"I'm an Aussie. The Australian police controlled the media and stopped livestreams of the protests. That's mainly why a lot of the "evidence" isn't as available as one would think it would be. I've seen livestreams of the violence in Melbourne on Facebook. I will find it again and post as I found it really shocking to see that in my hometown. https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/victoria-police-censored-vital-media-coverage-of-melbourne-protests/video/f8ed5923860501b6d61f6a12b219a9c7 " Maybe the aviation authorities were just worried about nutcase protestors buzzing the city in helicopters and acted to prevent a tragedy? If the police felt that they needed their own helicopter overlooking the protest in order to maintain peace and crowd safety, they would be very keen to avoid any possibility of a collision being caused by rogue flyboys in the same part of the sky... | |||
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"I'm an Aussie. The Australian police controlled the media and stopped livestreams of the protests. That's mainly why a lot of the "evidence" isn't as available as one would think it would be. I've seen livestreams of the violence in Melbourne on Facebook. I will find it again and post as I found it really shocking to see that in my hometown. https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/victoria-police-censored-vital-media-coverage-of-melbourne-protests/video/f8ed5923860501b6d61f6a12b219a9c7 Maybe the aviation authorities were just worried about nutcase protestors buzzing the city in helicopters and acted to prevent a tragedy? If the police felt that they needed their own helicopter overlooking the protest in order to maintain peace and crowd safety, they would be very keen to avoid any possibility of a collision being caused by rogue flyboys in the same part of the sky..." Live streams can be on the ground. Not sure of the point but I guess "nutcase protestors" makes your bias clear. | |||
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"As for the app which requires you to send photo evidence that you are at home https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-quarantine-trial-work/100398878 Again, it's real. Imagine a country using ubiquitous technology to keep control of a disease that has caused such international chaos. Imagine semi autonomous regions within a country wanting control of their borders. Shocking
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that. I am deeply concerned that the Victorian (Melbourne) government in particular is very heavy handed and has been for some time. Not just the restrictions but the way that they're explained to people - shutting down media questions.I have friends in Australia as well as family and what I'm hearing is not good. I have never ever seen anything like it in Australia - the government approach nor the public response. " can confirm,half my family are over in australia, some in victoria. it's an open air prison camp. Police brutality on steroids, you'll get beaten, air squeezed out of them for refusing to wear a mask in public, slammed into the ground in certain areas if you are outside your home. The protests are from the people who have had enough. This isn't about a virus, this is NOT how you treat the population from a virus. My grandad lives over there, he fought in ww2 for germany and to quote his words " it's nazi germany all over again " asking for papers to be outside or go any where. The media being censored or selective in what they show/hide. Film crew being beaten and arrested for filming police brutality, the list goes on. People need to pull their head out their arses and see what's really going on here. Im gonna say it how it is, the government has used the covid-19 situation to enforce a power grab and more control on the people.  | |||
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"I'm an Aussie. The Australian police controlled the media and stopped livestreams of the protests. That's mainly why a lot of the "evidence" isn't as available as one would think it would be. I've seen livestreams of the violence in Melbourne on Facebook. I will find it again and post as I found it really shocking to see that in my hometown. https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/victoria-police-censored-vital-media-coverage-of-melbourne-protests/video/f8ed5923860501b6d61f6a12b219a9c7 Maybe the aviation authorities were just worried about nutcase protestors buzzing the city in helicopters and acted to prevent a tragedy? If the police felt that they needed their own helicopter overlooking the protest in order to maintain peace and crowd safety, they would be very keen to avoid any possibility of a collision being caused by rogue flyboys in the same part of the sky..." really...? you'd win a gold medal in the mental gymnastics olympics. nutcase protesters dont/wont have access to helicopters, only news crews do/would have clearance to fly in their air space. come on  | |||
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"I'm an Aussie. The Australian police controlled the media and stopped livestreams of the protests. That's mainly why a lot of the "evidence" isn't as available as one would think it would be. I've seen livestreams of the violence in Melbourne on Facebook. I will find it again and post as I found it really shocking to see that in my hometown. https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/victoria-police-censored-vital-media-coverage-of-melbourne-protests/video/f8ed5923860501b6d61f6a12b219a9c7 Maybe the aviation authorities were just worried about nutcase protestors buzzing the city in helicopters and acted to prevent a tragedy? If the police felt that they needed their own helicopter overlooking the protest in order to maintain peace and crowd safety, they would be very keen to avoid any possibility of a collision being caused by rogue flyboys in the same part of the sky... really...? you'd win a gold medal in the mental gymnastics olympics. nutcase protesters dont/wont have access to helicopters, only news crews do/would have clearance to fly in their air space. come on "I was just reading up that the 3 commercial TV stations challenged the police in the Federal Court and won, so the blackout was stopped. Can you imagine this happening in the Uk? Channel 4 etc forbidden from showing protests in London. | |||
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that. I am deeply concerned that the Victorian (Melbourne) government in particular is very heavy handed and has been for some time. Not just the restrictions but the way that they're explained to people - shutting down media questions.I have friends in Australia as well as family and what I'm hearing is not good. I have never ever seen anything like it in Australia - the government approach nor the public response. can confirm,half my family are over in australia, some in victoria. it's an open air prison camp. Police brutality on steroids, you'll get beaten, air squeezed out of them for refusing to wear a mask in public, slammed into the ground in certain areas if you are outside your home. The protests are from the people who have had enough. This isn't about a virus, this is NOT how you treat the population from a virus. My grandad lives over there, he fought in ww2 for germany and to quote his words " it's nazi germany all over again " asking for papers to be outside or go any where. The media being censored or selective in what they show/hide. Film crew being beaten and arrested for filming police brutality, the list goes on. People need to pull their head out their arses and see what's really going on here. Im gonna say it how it is, the government has used the covid-19 situation to enforce a power grab and more control on the people. " | |||
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"Why do people always demand evidence for things that can be easily searched on google? I’ve just searched “Australia police brutality” and found several articles. There’s also videos all over Twitter and Facebook from the various protests and incidents. And there’s been a link posted about the camps. You can’t scream “antivaxxer” and say you’ve debunked something because the poster didn’t provide a link. Google it. It’s not hard. " This . | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really." My understanding was that this was for people who were home quarantining. Who are supposed to be at home. Maybe if we had had something like that here, making sure that people didn't fly in from red zones and go straight down the pub, we might have reduced the spread a little bit. Just a thought. God knows I think the current UK government are criminal scumbags, I would rather disembowel myself than believe a word that Johnson says, and if anybody was going to abuse public health regulations it would be this lot. But having a bit of enforcement of quarantine procedures during a global plague doesn't seem like too bad an idea. Particularly for a country like Australia with a lower level of vaccination, that had managed quite well until now in protecting it's people from those desperate to spread infection. | |||
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"I'm an Aussie. The Australian police controlled the media and stopped livestreams of the protests. That's mainly why a lot of the "evidence" isn't as available as one would think it would be. I've seen livestreams of the violence in Melbourne on Facebook. I will find it again and post as I found it really shocking to see that in my hometown. https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/victoria-police-censored-vital-media-coverage-of-melbourne-protests/video/f8ed5923860501b6d61f6a12b219a9c7 Maybe the aviation authorities were just worried about nutcase protestors buzzing the city in helicopters and acted to prevent a tragedy? If the police felt that they needed their own helicopter overlooking the protest in order to maintain peace and crowd safety, they would be very keen to avoid any possibility of a collision being caused by rogue flyboys in the same part of the sky... really...? you'd win a gold medal in the mental gymnastics olympics. nutcase protesters dont/wont have access to helicopters, only news crews do/would have clearance to fly in their air space. come on
I was just reading up that the 3 commercial TV stations challenged the police in the Federal Court and won, so the blackout was stopped. Can you imagine this happening in the Uk? Channel 4 etc forbidden from showing protests in London. "We barely really see the true size of.protests that we do have here. they 100% lie about the numbers at Indy gatherings. | |||
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that. I am deeply concerned that the Victorian (Melbourne) government in particular is very heavy handed and has been for some time. Not just the restrictions but the way that they're explained to people - shutting down media questions.I have friends in Australia as well as family and what I'm hearing is not good. I have never ever seen anything like it in Australia - the government approach nor the public response. " Yes and you are right there too, they try to block what is going on there to the outside world, it is good that the people are recording it and uploading it on alternative media | |||
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that. Gonna post some evidence Shag to back this up? I asked for links to clips of the police brutality on another thread you started but nothing materialised. Feel free to share so people have some fact _ased evidence to build their responses on. Well. I have seen most of it on the news and clips, so not so many links about it."Seen them as well...and found them very disturbing to watch. | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really." ABC.net.au “South Australia has begun a home-_ased quarantine trial which is tipped to expand to international arrivals. It will start this week for people returning from New South Wales and Victoria. Premier Steven Marshall said he hoped the trial would be expanded to international travellers in "subsequent weeks", making it a national first. Those in home-_ased quarantine will need to download an app, developed by the South Australian Government, to prove they are staying home while required to. People wanting to return to South Australia and home quarantine will have to apply to SA Health. They will have to prove they have a place to isolate during their quarantine period and must also be fully vaccinated. Those who are approved will have to download the South Australian Government home quarantine app, which uses geo-location and facial recognition software to track those in quarantine. The app will contact people at random asking them to provide proof of their location within 15 minutes. Premier Steven Marshall said, "We don't tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes," | |||
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" )I have to say I've now done some digging (with a little help via pms) and outside of main stream media sites there's numerous videos of Australian police brutality. A few specifically of people shouting they are just trying to get home at what looks like airports and honestly getting the shit kicked out of them. Very disturbing. Not to mention the police enforced media black outs and closing of air space around protest areas. It's seems many of the Australian media outlets who are normally rivials are now united in fighting it. KJ" Unfortunately, I was sent a 17 minute video earlier where 95% of stuff was quite clearly propoganda. Whilst I've now seen a couple of clips where police appear to have been heavy handed and yes they need bringing to task for it (in the same way that heavy handed policing happens in the UK on a regular occasion). What is happening is people are using selective editing to promote an agenda and it's fuelling the flames. Yes, the media blackout is wrong. Yes, stopping any aerial cameras/filming is wrong. Yes, any police found to have committed acts of brutality should be brought to task. Each of the above needs addressing and dealing with. Do I think the Aussie govt is blameless? No. However, some of the videos claiming police brutality are nothing of the sort. In a number of cases they're just some idiot screaming loudly about how police are scum/disgraceful (with no actual offences taking place) in order to get their 5 minutes of fame. I mean some of them are even complaining about police wearing riot gear FFS. What exactly should you wear to protect yourself if protestors are lobbing bricks/bottles etc at you? | |||
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" )I have to say I've now done some digging (with a little help via pms) and outside of main stream media sites there's numerous videos of Australian police brutality. A few specifically of people shouting they are just trying to get home at what looks like airports and honestly getting the shit kicked out of them. Very disturbing. Not to mention the police enforced media black outs and closing of air space around protest areas. It's seems many of the Australian media outlets who are normally rivials are now united in fighting it. KJ Unfortunately, I was sent a 17 minute video earlier where 95% of stuff was quite clearly propoganda. Whilst I've now seen a couple of clips where police appear to have been heavy handed and yes they need bringing to task for it (in the same way that heavy handed policing happens in the UK on a regular occasion). What is happening is people are using selective editing to promote an agenda and it's fuelling the flames. Yes, the media blackout is wrong. Yes, stopping any aerial cameras/filming is wrong. Yes, any police found to have committed acts of brutality should be brought to task. Each of the above needs addressing and dealing with. Do I think the Aussie govt is blameless? No. However, some of the videos claiming police brutality are nothing of the sort. In a number of cases they're just some idiot screaming loudly about how police are scum/disgraceful (with no actual offences taking place) in order to get their 5 minutes of fame. I mean some of them are even complaining about police wearing riot gear FFS. What exactly should you wear to protect yourself if protestors are lobbing bricks/bottles etc at you?" Not understanding mate - you write as though you object to Shag's OP but you've just agreed with everything he said. The police have been heavy handed. The govt (I would say the Victorian State govt) need to take some blame for this mess. I haven't lived in Oz for 27 years but it's still my country and it's so upsetting. If we think people have struggled with lockdowns here (and they have) imagine how Aussies are feeling with the incredibly strict lockdowns they have faced for months on end. Surely the questions have to be asked about whether this is the right approach. | |||
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" )I have to say I've now done some digging (with a little help via pms) and outside of main stream media sites there's numerous videos of Australian police brutality. A few specifically of people shouting they are just trying to get home at what looks like airports and honestly getting the shit kicked out of them. Very disturbing. Not to mention the police enforced media black outs and closing of air space around protest areas. It's seems many of the Australian media outlets who are normally rivials are now united in fighting it. KJ Unfortunately, I was sent a 17 minute video earlier where 95% of stuff was quite clearly propoganda. Whilst I've now seen a couple of clips where police appear to have been heavy handed and yes they need bringing to task for it (in the same way that heavy handed policing happens in the UK on a regular occasion). What is happening is people are using selective editing to promote an agenda and it's fuelling the flames. Yes, the media blackout is wrong. Yes, stopping any aerial cameras/filming is wrong. Yes, any police found to have committed acts of brutality should be brought to task. Each of the above needs addressing and dealing with. Do I think the Aussie govt is blameless? No. However, some of the videos claiming police brutality are nothing of the sort. In a number of cases they're just some idiot screaming loudly about how police are scum/disgraceful (with no actual offences taking place) in order to get their 5 minutes of fame. I mean some of them are even complaining about police wearing riot gear FFS. What exactly should you wear to protect yourself if protestors are lobbing bricks/bottles etc at you? Not understanding mate - you write as though you object to Shag's OP but you've just agreed with everything he said. The police have been heavy handed. The govt (I would say the Victorian State govt) need to take some blame for this mess. I haven't lived in Oz for 27 years but it's still my country and it's so upsetting. If we think people have struggled with lockdowns here (and they have) imagine how Aussies are feeling with the incredibly strict lockdowns they have faced for months on end. Surely the questions have to be asked about whether this is the right approach. " | |||
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" )I have to say I've now done some digging (with a little help via pms) and outside of main stream media sites there's numerous videos of Australian police brutality. A few specifically of people shouting they are just trying to get home at what looks like airports and honestly getting the shit kicked out of them. Very disturbing. Not to mention the police enforced media black outs and closing of air space around protest areas. It's seems many of the Australian media outlets who are normally rivials are now united in fighting it. KJ Unfortunately, I was sent a 17 minute video earlier where 95% of stuff was quite clearly propoganda. Whilst I've now seen a couple of clips where police appear to have been heavy handed and yes they need bringing to task for it (in the same way that heavy handed policing happens in the UK on a regular occasion). What is happening is people are using selective editing to promote an agenda and it's fuelling the flames. Yes, the media blackout is wrong. Yes, stopping any aerial cameras/filming is wrong. Yes, any police found to have committed acts of brutality should be brought to task. Each of the above needs addressing and dealing with. Do I think the Aussie govt is blameless? No. However, some of the videos claiming police brutality are nothing of the sort. In a number of cases they're just some idiot screaming loudly about how police are scum/disgraceful (with no actual offences taking place) in order to get their 5 minutes of fame. I mean some of them are even complaining about police wearing riot gear FFS. What exactly should you wear to protect yourself if protestors are lobbing bricks/bottles etc at you? Not understanding mate - you write as though you object to Shag's OP but you've just agreed with everything he said. The police have been heavy handed. The govt (I would say the Victorian State govt) need to take some blame for this mess. I haven't lived in Oz for 27 years but it's still my country and it's so upsetting. If we think people have struggled with lockdowns here (and they have) imagine how Aussies are feeling with the incredibly strict lockdowns they have faced for months on end. Surely the questions have to be asked about whether this is the right approach. " I'm not agreeing with everything OP has said at all. I've seen some instances where there has been heavy handedness which cannot be condoned. I've also seen plenty of instances where what is being reported is rubbish and there are genuinely people trying to jump on the bandwagon and inflame things for their own personal agenda. Like the media censorship going on, you can't just report one side. If you're going to throw the book at heavy handed policing then you have to also throw it at the violent protesters who are also clearly visible in numerous videos doing the rounds. I also don't see the issue with the Howard Springs Quarantine facility or having the tracing app. If you're trying to contain a pandemic then you need to put restrictions in place that not everyone is going to like. People need to start acting like adults and realise that they can't do everything they want to do as we need to contain/stop the virus. | |||
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" )I have to say I've now done some digging (with a little help via pms) and outside of main stream media sites there's numerous videos of Australian police brutality. A few specifically of people shouting they are just trying to get home at what looks like airports and honestly getting the shit kicked out of them. Very disturbing. Not to mention the police enforced media black outs and closing of air space around protest areas. It's seems many of the Australian media outlets who are normally rivials are now united in fighting it. KJ Unfortunately, I was sent a 17 minute video earlier where 95% of stuff was quite clearly propoganda. Whilst I've now seen a couple of clips where police appear to have been heavy handed and yes they need bringing to task for it (in the same way that heavy handed policing happens in the UK on a regular occasion). What is happening is people are using selective editing to promote an agenda and it's fuelling the flames. Yes, the media blackout is wrong. Yes, stopping any aerial cameras/filming is wrong. Yes, any police found to have committed acts of brutality should be brought to task. Each of the above needs addressing and dealing with. Do I think the Aussie govt is blameless? No. However, some of the videos claiming police brutality are nothing of the sort. In a number of cases they're just some idiot screaming loudly about how police are scum/disgraceful (with no actual offences taking place) in order to get their 5 minutes of fame. I mean some of them are even complaining about police wearing riot gear FFS. What exactly should you wear to protect yourself if protestors are lobbing bricks/bottles etc at you? Not understanding mate - you write as though you object to Shag's OP but you've just agreed with everything he said. The police have been heavy handed. The govt (I would say the Victorian State govt) need to take some blame for this mess. I haven't lived in Oz for 27 years but it's still my country and it's so upsetting. If we think people have struggled with lockdowns here (and they have) imagine how Aussies are feeling with the incredibly strict lockdowns they have faced for months on end. Surely the questions have to be asked about whether this is the right approach. I'm not agreeing with everything OP has said at all. I've seen some instances where there has been heavy handedness which cannot be condoned. I've also seen plenty of instances where what is being reported is rubbish and there are genuinely people trying to jump on the bandwagon and inflame things for their own personal agenda. Like the media censorship going on, you can't just report one side. If you're going to throw the book at heavy handed policing then you have to also throw it at the violent protesters who are also clearly visible in numerous videos doing the rounds. I also don't see the issue with the Howard Springs Quarantine facility or having the tracing app. If you're trying to contain a pandemic then you need to put restrictions in place that not everyone is going to like. People need to start acting like adults and realise that they can't do everything they want to do as we need to contain/stop the virus." I think you need to go back to what Shag said because I don't know who or what you're arguing with? He said heavy handed and mentioned he'd heard about Howard Springs. Quote it please just like you demanded evidence before. I think it's a bit bloody rich lecturing Aussies on being adults about restrictions when the UK had lockdowns that were a walk in the bloody park compared to Oz. | |||
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". I think it's a bit bloody rich lecturing Aussies on being adults about restrictions when the UK had lockdowns that were a walk in the bloody park compared to Oz.
I'm not talking about Aussies only..... I'm talking about people in general across the globe acting like adults which a lot of people have struggled to do since the pandemic started.
If everyone would've been on board with trying to contain the pandemic from day 1 we wouldn't still be in this shit storm now."You're on a thread which is entirely about Australia. And now blaming the public for the face that Covid is still a threat? Seriously? And you've ignored my challenge to back up your criticism of the OP. Where's "your" evidence? | |||
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". I think it's a bit bloody rich lecturing Aussies on being adults about restrictions when the UK had lockdowns that were a walk in the bloody park compared to Oz.
I'm not talking about Aussies only..... I'm talking about people in general across the globe acting like adults which a lot of people have struggled to do since the pandemic started.
If everyone would've been on board with trying to contain the pandemic from day 1 we wouldn't still be in this shit storm now.
You're on a thread which is entirely about Australia. And now blaming the public for the face that Covid is still a threat? Seriously? And you've ignored my challenge to back up your criticism of the OP. Where's "your" evidence? "OP has constantly started threads about COVID and his stance on the subject is perfectly clear. He's never agreed with vaccines/lockdowns etc. Along with a number of other posters on the Virus Forum the threads they've started have been inflammatory and misleading and this one is the first one where I've seen any factual evidence being provided (Peter & the Wolf springs to mind). Btw, OP didn't post any of the facts posted above, other posters have done that. | |||
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". I think it's a bit bloody rich lecturing Aussies on being adults about restrictions when the UK had lockdowns that were a walk in the bloody park compared to Oz.
I'm not talking about Aussies only..... I'm talking about people in general across the globe acting like adults which a lot of people have struggled to do since the pandemic started.
If everyone would've been on board with trying to contain the pandemic from day 1 we wouldn't still be in this shit storm now.
You're on a thread which is entirely about Australia. And now blaming the public for the face that Covid is still a threat? Seriously? And you've ignored my challenge to back up your criticism of the OP. Where's "your" evidence?
OP has constantly started threads about COVID and his stance on the subject is perfectly clear. He's never agreed with vaccines/lockdowns etc.
Along with a number of other posters on the Virus Forum the threads they've started have been inflammatory and misleading and this one is the first one where I've seen any factual evidence being provided (Peter & the Wolf springs to mind).
Btw, OP didn't post any of the facts posted above, other posters have done that.
"I stay away from the Virus threads so I have no idea about that. If you have an axe to the grind with the OP, did it have to be on this thread? I think some of your statements are driven by what you object to on the Virus Forum. The way Covid has been handled by governments in my opinion is far more of a factor in the "shit storm" than anti-vaxxers or anti-lockdown protesters. I'm out. I didn't know I was getting into a battle that I have no knowledge of or interest in. | |||
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". I think it's a bit bloody rich lecturing Aussies on being adults about restrictions when the UK had lockdowns that were a walk in the bloody park compared to Oz.
I'm not talking about Aussies only..... I'm talking about people in general across the globe acting like adults which a lot of people have struggled to do since the pandemic started.
If everyone would've been on board with trying to contain the pandemic from day 1 we wouldn't still be in this shit storm now.
You're on a thread which is entirely about Australia. And now blaming the public for the face that Covid is still a threat? Seriously? And you've ignored my challenge to back up your criticism of the OP. Where's "your" evidence?
OP has constantly started threads about COVID and his stance on the subject is perfectly clear. He's never agreed with vaccines/lockdowns etc.
Along with a number of other posters on the Virus Forum the threads they've started have been inflammatory and misleading and this one is the first one where I've seen any factual evidence being provided (Peter & the Wolf springs to mind).
Btw, OP didn't post any of the facts posted above, other posters have done that.
I stay away from the Virus threads so I have no idea about that. If you have an axe to the grind with the OP, did it have to be on this thread? I think some of your statements are driven by what you object to on the Virus Forum. The way Covid has been handled by governments in my opinion is far more of a factor in the "shit storm" than anti-vaxxers or anti-lockdown protesters. I'm out. I didn't know I was getting into a battle that I have no knowledge of or interest in. " | |||
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". I think it's a bit bloody rich lecturing Aussies on being adults about restrictions when the UK had lockdowns that were a walk in the bloody park compared to Oz.
I'm not talking about Aussies only..... I'm talking about people in general across the globe acting like adults which a lot of people have struggled to do since the pandemic started.
If everyone would've been on board with trying to contain the pandemic from day 1 we wouldn't still be in this shit storm now.
You're on a thread which is entirely about Australia. And now blaming the public for the face that Covid is still a threat? Seriously? And you've ignored my challenge to back up your criticism of the OP. Where's "your" evidence?
OP has constantly started threads about COVID and his stance on the subject is perfectly clear. He's never agreed with vaccines/lockdowns etc.
Along with a number of other posters on the Virus Forum the threads they've started have been inflammatory and misleading and this one is the first one where I've seen any factual evidence being provided (Peter & the Wolf springs to mind).
Btw, OP didn't post any of the facts posted above, other posters have done that.
I stay away from the Virus threads so I have no idea about that. If you have an axe to the grind with the OP, did it have to be on this thread? I think some of your statements are driven by what you object to on the Virus Forum. The way Covid has been handled by governments in my opinion is far more of a factor in the "shit storm" than anti-vaxxers or anti-lockdown protesters. I'm out. I didn't know I was getting into a battle that I have no knowledge of or interest in. "This shit storm is a product of a number of things like the way it has been handled by the governments, the antivaxxers (who are not just against covid vaccine), the conspiracy theorists, the people against lockdowns and the proliferation of the social media. The mainstream media also played a part by allowing high profile individuals like Trump spreading their propaganda (that covid is nothing that it will go away on its own, that it is a hoax by liberals, etc etc). | |||
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". And you've ignored my challenge to back up your criticism of the OP. Where's "your" evidence? OP has constantly started threads about COVID and his stance on the subject is perfectly clear. He's never agreed with vaccines/lockdowns etc. Along with a number of other posters on the Virus Forum the threads they've started have been inflammatory and misleading and this one is the first one where I've seen any factual evidence being provided (Peter & the Wolf springs to mind). Btw, OP didn't post any of the facts posted above, other posters have done that. " He doesn't have to. It was easy to find on the net. Maybe instead of looking like you have a beef with someone, search for yourself as it is looking personal if you just decide he was wrong | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really." The people go get the texts are supposed to be self isolating and not going out I take it ? If so what’s the problem with a quick pic to show your still where your supposed to be ? | |||
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"Why do people always demand evidence for things that can be easily searched on google? I’ve just searched “Australia police brutality” and found several articles. There’s also videos all over Twitter and Facebook from the various protests and incidents. And there’s been a link posted about the camps. You can’t scream “antivaxxer” and say you’ve debunked something because the poster didn’t provide a link. Google it. It’s not hard. " I have a similar attitude towards this. I already know about the subject, so go and look it up yourself. | |||
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"Let's just say this much people. If you think the mainstream media is going to tell you anything resembling the truth about vaccines and climate change then you are probably being deceived on a daily basis. The truth will reveal itself in time but if you've had a trial vaccine then you believed the lies and statistics fed to you and panicked. Abba had a big hit with a song called money money money. Welcome to the last days of Empire. Here comes the Bilderberg groups future and we aren't liking it much. It's not a conspiracy it's public record." To be fair, although the Mainstream Media is subservient to their advertising revenue, what they print is actually much more reliable than the stuff published by the "Fringe" pseudo-news sites, who have their own political/financial agendas to push but don't have to abide by the regulations a genuine news outlet is subjected to. Cal | |||
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"Let's just say this much people. If you think the mainstream media is going to tell you anything resembling the truth about vaccines and climate change then you are probably being deceived on a daily basis. The truth will reveal itself in time but if you've had a trial vaccine then you believed the lies and statistics fed to you and panicked. Abba had a big hit with a song called money money money. Welcome to the last days of Empire. Here comes the Bilderberg groups future and we aren't liking it much. It's not a conspiracy it's public record." So you are saying that the vaccines are not tested (which they are by the way) and the hundreds of thousands that have dies because of the covid infection then? | |||
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"Why do people always demand evidence for things that can be easily searched on google? I’ve just searched “Australia police brutality” and found several articles. There’s also videos all over Twitter and Facebook from the various protests and incidents. And there’s been a link posted about the camps. You can’t scream “antivaxxer” and say you’ve debunked something because the poster didn’t provide a link. Google it. It’s not hard. I have a similar attitude towards this. I already know about the subject, so go and look it up yourself." But you can find any online, unless we are discussing the same evidence we could be talking about very different articles. Most of the police incidents that I have seen hardly seem to indicate that Australia is the new Cuba or North Korea. Given the title of the thread I would be expecting civil War and Mass protests with millions hitting the streets. Whereas it just appears to be less than a school full of people. | |||
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"Why do people always demand evidence for things that can be easily searched on google? I’ve just searched “Australia police brutality” and found several articles. There’s also videos all over Twitter and Facebook from the various protests and incidents. And there’s been a link posted about the camps. You can’t scream “antivaxxer” and say you’ve debunked something because the poster didn’t provide a link. Google it. It’s not hard. I have a similar attitude towards this. I already know about the subject, so go and look it up yourself. But you can find any online, unless we are discussing the same evidence we could be talking about very different articles. Most of the police incidents that I have seen hardly seem to indicate that Australia is the new Cuba or North Korea. Given the title of the thread I would be expecting civil War and Mass protests with millions hitting the streets. Whereas it just appears to be less than a school full of people. " Exactly, and I got hammered for saying exactly this. Some of the clips I've been sent are hidden away on certain sites that don't show up on main Google searches. And a lot of them don't contain anything like the supposed police brutality people are claiming. One of my best mates is from Melbourne so I've asked him to give me the lowdown on what's going on as he'll say it as it is and definitely won't have an agenda on either side of the argument. Anyway, I've had enough abusive messages about this sent to me so I'm dropping out and leaving everyone else to it. | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lolYes, on another note, there are reports that there are "remote quarantine camps" in howard springs, does anyone know about that?" Ye I have heard of these even saw some pics, Oz is being captured from within just ripe the Chinese to walk in. | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really." I've always said that no good will come out of smartphones. What happens if you only have a talk and text phone with no camera? I never signed up to any coronavirus app and always wave my old blue and white Nokia at any QR codes at venues. Guess I wouldn't stay intact for long in Australia! | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really. I've always said that no good will come out of smartphones. What happens if you only have a talk and text phone with no camera? I never signed up to any coronavirus app and always wave my old blue and white Nokia at any QR codes at venues. Guess I wouldn't stay intact for long in Australia!" No phone ? You’re sent off to the quarantine camp | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really. ABC.net.au “South Australia has begun a home-_ased quarantine trial which is tipped to expand to international arrivals. It will start this week for people returning from New South Wales and Victoria. Premier Steven Marshall said he hoped the trial would be expanded to international travellers in "subsequent weeks", making it a national first. Those in home-_ased quarantine will need to download an app, developed by the South Australian Government, to prove they are staying home while required to. People wanting to return to South Australia and home quarantine will have to apply to SA Health. They will have to prove they have a place to isolate during their quarantine period and must also be fully vaccinated. Those who are approved will have to download the South Australian Government home quarantine app, which uses geo-location and facial recognition software to track those in quarantine. The app will contact people at random asking them to provide proof of their location within 15 minutes. Premier Steven Marshall said, "We don't tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes,"" We should have supported those in the UK to have quarantined similarly, including via payments that ensured they weren't financially disadvantaged. There was £billions in contracts to friends of the Conservative party, typically for the sale or consultancy services of bilge but there was limited support for those in real need. It's reasonable for people who are in quarantine to confirm that they are, for the full period required, in order to keep people safer. | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really. ABC.net.au “South Australia has begun a home-_ased quarantine trial which is tipped to expand to international arrivals. It will start this week for people returning from New South Wales and Victoria. Premier Steven Marshall said he hoped the trial would be expanded to international travellers in "subsequent weeks", making it a national first. Those in home-_ased quarantine will need to download an app, developed by the South Australian Government, to prove they are staying home while required to. People wanting to return to South Australia and home quarantine will have to apply to SA Health. They will have to prove they have a place to isolate during their quarantine period and must also be fully vaccinated. Those who are approved will have to download the South Australian Government home quarantine app, which uses geo-location and facial recognition software to track those in quarantine. The app will contact people at random asking them to provide proof of their location within 15 minutes. Premier Steven Marshall said, "We don't tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes," We should have supported those in the UK to have quarantined similarly, including via payments that ensured they weren't financially disadvantaged. There was £billions in contracts to friends of the Conservative party, typically for the sale or consultancy services of bilge but there was limited support for those in real need. It's reasonable for people who are in quarantine to confirm that they are, for the full period required, in order to keep people safer. " You support facial recognition with geolocation tracking by the State? | |||
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"Let's just say this much people. If you think the mainstream media is going to tell you anything resembling the truth about vaccines and climate change then you are probably being deceived on a daily basis. The truth will reveal itself in time but if you've had a trial vaccine then you believed the lies and statistics fed to you and panicked. Abba had a big hit with a song called money money money. Welcome to the last days of Empire. Here comes the Bilderberg groups future and we aren't liking it much. It's not a conspiracy it's public record." If you'd genuinely had any interest in others, you wouldn't post codswallop about a 'trial vaccine'. There are many approved vaccines - not just 1 and they are all out of and beyond stage 3 trials. I'm assuming that you've not studied any of the scientific data or evidence, if you could even understand it. | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really. ABC.net.au “South Australia has begun a home-_ased quarantine trial which is tipped to expand to international arrivals. It will start this week for people returning from New South Wales and Victoria. Premier Steven Marshall said he hoped the trial would be expanded to international travellers in "subsequent weeks", making it a national first. Those in home-_ased quarantine will need to download an app, developed by the South Australian Government, to prove they are staying home while required to. People wanting to return to South Australia and home quarantine will have to apply to SA Health. They will have to prove they have a place to isolate during their quarantine period and must also be fully vaccinated. Those who are approved will have to download the South Australian Government home quarantine app, which uses geo-location and facial recognition software to track those in quarantine. The app will contact people at random asking them to provide proof of their location within 15 minutes. Premier Steven Marshall said, "We don't tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes," We should have supported those in the UK to have quarantined similarly, including via payments that ensured they weren't financially disadvantaged. There was £billions in contracts to friends of the Conservative party, typically for the sale or consultancy services of bilge but there was limited support for those in real need. It's reasonable for people who are in quarantine to confirm that they are, for the full period required, in order to keep people safer. You support facial recognition with geolocation tracking by the State?" You didn't appear to read what I said. | |||
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"Just heard on Aussie news that they send random texts to you that you have to send a selfie within 5 minutes or else police turn up at your door. Yes really. ABC.net.au “South Australia has begun a home-_ased quarantine trial which is tipped to expand to international arrivals. It will start this week for people returning from New South Wales and Victoria. Premier Steven Marshall said he hoped the trial would be expanded to international travellers in "subsequent weeks", making it a national first. Those in home-_ased quarantine will need to download an app, developed by the South Australian Government, to prove they are staying home while required to. People wanting to return to South Australia and home quarantine will have to apply to SA Health. They will have to prove they have a place to isolate during their quarantine period and must also be fully vaccinated. Those who are approved will have to download the South Australian Government home quarantine app, which uses geo-location and facial recognition software to track those in quarantine. The app will contact people at random asking them to provide proof of their location within 15 minutes. Premier Steven Marshall said, "We don't tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes," We should have supported those in the UK to have quarantined similarly, including via payments that ensured they weren't financially disadvantaged. There was £billions in contracts to friends of the Conservative party, typically for the sale or consultancy services of bilge but there was limited support for those in real need. It's reasonable for people who are in quarantine to confirm that they are, for the full period required, in order to keep people safer. You support facial recognition with geolocation tracking by the State? You didn't appear to read what I said. "You appear to suggest you do support the measures being used in Australia…” It's reasonable for people who are in quarantine to confirm that they are, for the full period required, in order to keep people safer.” … and “ We should have supported those in the UK to have quarantined similarly,” | |||
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"The premier of New South Wales Gladys Berejiklian resigned at the beginning of the month after being told she was being investigated for corruption. Mike Palmer, an Australian businessman and politician made a public statement in September. He claimed he had evidence that Gladys Berejiklian accepted over 10 million in bribes from Phizer and Astra Zenica and that her policies were being directed by the pharma companies. He stated he had handed the evidence over to the authorities. A few days later she resigned, the official statement are that the investigation is regarding historic cases. meanwhile NSW continue to push her policies as do the Premiers of the other territories push the same. " Good post. | |||
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"The premier of New South Wales Gladys Berejiklian resigned at the beginning of the month after being told she was being investigated for corruption. Mike Palmer, an Australian businessman and politician made a public statement in September. He claimed he had evidence that Gladys Berejiklian accepted over 10 million in bribes from Phizer and Astra Zenica and that her policies were being directed by the pharma companies. He stated he had handed the evidence over to the authorities. A few days later she resigned, the official statement are that the investigation is regarding historic cases. meanwhile NSW continue to push her policies as do the Premiers of the other territories push the same. " I don't doubt there's a lot of dodgy dealings all over the world and I've never been a fan of big pharma and their influence on policies. But...there are always at least two sides to a bribe... And I struggle to believe that Pfizer would a) need to bribe anyone right now for a covid vaccine when demand outstrips supply and when they are already making billions from it and b) if they were going to bribe anyone, why would it be a state with about 8m people and risk exposure for influence over a fraction of 8m people? Makes no sense at all. | |||
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"The premier of New South Wales Gladys Berejiklian resigned at the beginning of the month after being told she was being investigated for corruption. Mike Palmer, an Australian businessman and politician made a public statement in September. He claimed he had evidence that Gladys Berejiklian accepted over 10 million in bribes from Phizer and Astra Zenica and that her policies were being directed by the pharma companies. He stated he had handed the evidence over to the authorities. A few days later she resigned, the official statement are that the investigation is regarding historic cases. meanwhile NSW continue to push her policies as do the Premiers of the other territories push the same. " That'd be a fascinating take if it weren't about corruption issues dating back to 2018
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"As I stated the official statement is that it is about historical corruption. Whether you believe Mr Palmer or not, It still doesn't change the fact that this resignation and investigation came about following his accusations and handing over of evidence. " It's been coming for quite some time and the evidence points to it being in relation to a long brewing scandal. But if you think Clive Palmer is a reliable source (lol) and it gets you off believing it's about vaccines, you do you. | |||
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"I think we do, is it turning into a totalitarian society? I have always said that they have been "outrageous" with their restrictions and how heavy handed the police have been and still are that. Gonna post some evidence Shag to back this up? I asked for links to clips of the police brutality on another thread you started but nothing materialised. There are many videos going about on Twitter about heavy handed tactics by the police Feel free to share so people have some fact _ased evidence to build their responses on. " | |||
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"Let's just say this much people. If you think the mainstream media is going to tell you anything resembling the truth about vaccines and climate change then you are probably being deceived on a daily basis. The truth will reveal itself in time but if you've had a trial vaccine then you believed the lies and statistics fed to you and panicked. Abba had a big hit with a song called money money money. Welcome to the last days of Empire. Here comes the Bilderberg groups future and we aren't liking it much. It's not a conspiracy it's public record. To be fair, although the Mainstream Media is subservient to their advertising revenue, what they print is actually much more reliable than the stuff published by the "Fringe" pseudo-news sites, who have their own political/financial agendas to push but don't have to abide by the regulations a genuine news outlet is subjected to. Cal" And there’s probably alot that MSM don’t show us that they should. True journalism is a dying breed | |||
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"As I stated the official statement is that it is about historical corruption. Whether you believe Mr Palmer or not, It still doesn't change the fact that this resignation and investigation came about following his accusations and handing over of evidence. " Complete bullshit, she's being investigated by ICAC in relation to her relationship with another politician going back a number of years. Absolutely nothing to do with COVID | |||
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"So many blatant lies in this thread, where the hell are people getting their "news" from?! Life in Australia has been incredibly normal since covid started in comparison to the rest of the world. Even during isolated lockdowns we've still been able to go outdoors to park's and beaches and general shopping. It's been that way as the international borders have been shut and they'll be reopening in a month's time. Can't believe so many people are stupid enough to believe bullshit stories. " I'm getting my news from the ABC and my family in Sydney. I'm with you. So there's that | |||
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"So many blatant lies in this thread, where the hell are people getting their "news" from?! Life in Australia has been incredibly normal since covid started in comparison to the rest of the world. Even during isolated lockdowns we've still been able to go outdoors to park's and beaches and general shopping. It's been that way as the international borders have been shut and they'll be reopening in a month's time. Can't believe so many people are stupid enough to believe bullshit stories. " The ability of the average person to believe complete codswallop, has been one of the things Covid has made glaringly obvious. Surprisingly few people seem able to apply critical thinking. | |||
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"So do you agree with the authoritarian Police beating, choking and basically being tyrannical over the public or are you going to stay asleep" I'm in Australia mate and that is not happening. Whatever news sources you are reading are completely fabricated | |||
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"So many blatant lies in this thread, where the hell are people getting their "news" from?! Life in Australia has been incredibly normal since covid started in comparison to the rest of the world. Even during isolated lockdowns we've still been able to go outdoors to park's and beaches and general shopping. It's been that way as the international borders have been shut and they'll be reopening in a month's time. Can't believe so many people are stupid enough to believe bullshit stories. The ability of the average person to believe complete codswallop, has been one of the things Covid has made glaringly obvious. Surprisingly few people seem able to apply critical thinking." It's been such an eye opener seeing how stupid people can be. Just completely disregarding basic facts e.g state premiers have absolutely zero involvement in vaccine procurement, that's a federal responsibility so how could a state premier possibly be investigated for taking bribes when she has no involvement in the process lol | |||
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"Fabricated really.....there's videos coming out from your so called free country showing people being beaten etc, switch off from the MSN and research it yourself as I can find at least 3 videos showing this" There's no point in arguing with stupid. I'm literally in Australia and experience daily life here | |||
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"So many blatant lies in this thread, where the hell are people getting their "news" from?! Life in Australia has been incredibly normal since covid started in comparison to the rest of the world. Even during isolated lockdowns we've still been able to go outdoors to park's and beaches and general shopping. It's been that way as the international borders have been shut and they'll be reopening in a month's time. Can't believe so many people are stupid enough to believe bullshit stories. The ability of the average person to believe complete codswallop, has been one of the things Covid has made glaringly obvious. Surprisingly few people seem able to apply critical thinking. It's been such an eye opener seeing how stupid people can be. Just completely disregarding basic facts e.g state premiers have absolutely zero involvement in vaccine procurement, that's a federal responsibility so how could a state premier possibly be investigated for taking bribes when she has no involvement in the process lol" But as the Premier they must gave some clout with these things... 
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"So many blatant lies in this thread, where the hell are people getting their "news" from?! Life in Australia has been incredibly normal since covid started in comparison to the rest of the world. Even during isolated lockdowns we've still been able to go outdoors to park's and beaches and general shopping. It's been that way as the international borders have been shut and they'll be reopening in a month's time. Can't believe so many people are stupid enough to believe bullshit stories. The ability of the average person to believe complete codswallop, has been one of the things Covid has made glaringly obvious. Surprisingly few people seem able to apply critical thinking. It's been such an eye opener seeing how stupid people can be. Just completely disregarding basic facts e.g state premiers have absolutely zero involvement in vaccine procurement, that's a federal responsibility so how could a state premier possibly be investigated for taking bribes when she has no involvement in the process lol" I think you're overestimating the average British understanding of Australian politics. Dan Andrews is spreading tyranny across the whole of Australia - because, y'know, that's how anything works. *Shrug* | |||
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"So it devolved to you calling me Stupid.......I do independent research and don't blindly trust the MSN....." There may well have been isolated incidents... however, I am inclined to lend greater weight to someone who actually lives in Australia and will have first-hand experience of what is happening. | |||
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"So I'm stupid but it's OK that Dan Andrews can say that we'll lockdown the unvaccinated (no question on religious exception, personal exception etc) to free the country....by golly that sounds like a certain Austrian back in the 1930s doesn't it" The Nazis reduced public health protections. So no, it doesn't. | |||
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"What I mean by that point is that the Nazi went after the Jews for economic problems and now Dan Andrews is going after the unvaccinated for health problems....looks eerily similar" Only if you're not very well informed about history and think that anything you dislike is a slide into Nazism. But it seems that everything is supposed to be the same as industrialised genocide these days. Public health protections, rules on websites, Mummy making children eat their vegetables... | |||
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"So what about "my body, my choice", that soon left the conversation as soon as the indoctrination of the vaccine being the be all and end all" What about it? No one ever said that choices were made in a vacuum. I never learned to drive. So I'm not allowed to drive. Choices? Having consequences? Golly. That's eerily similar to a certain Austrian, isn't it? | |||
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"So a person who researches this and critically thinks about things now is "stupid", "tin foil hat" etc....how how this world has sunk into the gutter" And politicians who institute public health protections are apparently similar to the architect of industrialised genocide. I agree, discourse has sunk a long way. For all the faults of Australian premiers - Australia gave up the deliberate genocide thing decades ago. | |||
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"Fabricated really.....there's videos coming out from your so called free country showing people being beaten etc, switch off from the MSN and research it yourself as I can find at least 3 videos showing this There's no point in arguing with stupid. I'm literally in Australia and experience daily life here" Mostly been talking about Victoria though in this thread and you're in NSW. How do you find the approaches differ between the Premiers? | |||
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"What I mean by that point is that the Nazi went after the Jews for economic problems and now Dan Andrews is going after the unvaccinated for health problems....looks eerily similar" With views like this I’d recommend you keep on wearing dark glasses … wow | |||
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"Fabricated really.....there's videos coming out from your so called free country showing people being beaten etc, switch off from the MSN and research it yourself as I can find at least 3 videos showing this There's no point in arguing with stupid. I'm literally in Australia and experience daily life here Mostly been talking about Victoria though in this thread and you're in NSW. How do you find the approaches differ between the Premiers?" They differ in approaches to lockdown as that's in the premier's remit but not with vaccinations. Vaccinations are supplied federally and the states assist with the rollout. VIC is at 85% of the population having had their first dose and NSW is slightly higher | |||
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"Fabricated really.....there's videos coming out from your so called free country showing people being beaten etc, switch off from the MSN and research it yourself as I can find at least 3 videos showing this There's no point in arguing with stupid. I'm literally in Australia and experience daily life here Mostly been talking about Victoria though in this thread and you're in NSW. How do you find the approaches differ between the Premiers? They differ in approaches to lockdown as that's in the premier's remit but not with vaccinations. Vaccinations are supplied federally and the states assist with the rollout. VIC is at 85% of the population having had their first dose and NSW is slightly higher " The vax rollout has really sped up then wow. I haven't seen many negative comments from people in NSW about lockdown and how it was handled there but Victoria quite different. Not just how long/harsh. I have friends in Melbourne. Opinion of Andrews seems v low. I was dismayed to see footage from the protests tbh. What's your take? | |||
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"Fabricated really.....there's videos coming out from your so called free country showing people being beaten etc, switch off from the MSN and research it yourself as I can find at least 3 videos showing this There's no point in arguing with stupid. I'm literally in Australia and experience daily life here Mostly been talking about Victoria though in this thread and you're in NSW. How do you find the approaches differ between the Premiers? They differ in approaches to lockdown as that's in the premier's remit but not with vaccinations. Vaccinations are supplied federally and the states assist with the rollout. VIC is at 85% of the population having had their first dose and NSW is slightly higher The vax rollout has really sped up then wow. I haven't seen many negative comments from people in NSW about lockdown and how it was handled there but Victoria quite different. Not just how long/harsh. I have friends in Melbourne. Opinion of Andrews seems v low. I was dismayed to see footage from the protests tbh. What's your take? " They've had harsh lockdowns and that was exasperated by the fact that our vaccine roll-out didn't start until a few months ago as we were waiting on vaccine supply from abroad. VIC is a safe Labour state politically so I don't think anything will change there. Recent protests were by the CFMEU construction union relating to the construction industry being shut down for a fortnight and the vast majority of people were pissed off with them for being so selfish. A quick look at the vaccination rates shows that the vast majority of Australians want to be vaccinated, we're on track to hit over 90% fully vaccinated before Christmas so that tells you the true story | |||
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"So many blatant lies in this thread, where the hell are people getting their "news" from?! Life in Australia has been incredibly normal since covid started in comparison to the rest of the world. Even during isolated lockdowns we've still been able to go outdoors to park's and beaches and general shopping. It's been that way as the international borders have been shut and they'll be reopening in a month's time. Can't believe so many people are stupid enough to believe bullshit stories. " Thank you for confirming that most of the bollocks that is talked about the Australian situation, is in fact complete bollocks | |||
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"As I stated the official statement is that it is about historical corruption. Whether you believe Mr Palmer or not, It still doesn't change the fact that this resignation and investigation came about following his accusations and handing over of evidence. Complete bullshit, she's being investigated by ICAC in relation to her relationship with another politician going back a number of years. Absolutely nothing to do with COVID" Nice to hear a view from someone over in Aus who is close to the action and glad it's not as bad as is being made out by some. I've got mates in both Perth and Melbourne and have also got my updates first hand.
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"I'm in Australia mate and that is not happening. Whatever news sources you are reading are completely fabricated" Just stumbled across this thread and thankfully some people are talking sense. I'm currently in Australia and most of the country is as free as ever with the bonus of no Covid. Yes, Vic and NSW are taking steps to deal with outbreaks in their states, but it's hardly a nationwide crackdown or descent into totalitarianism. And the political corruption issues in NSW are the usual pork-barrelling of public money for votes dating well back to before the pandemic even happened. I'm about to head out and enjoy a beer in glorious 30 degree weather - it's hell in this prison. | |||
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"I'm in Australia mate and that is not happening. Whatever news sources you are reading are completely fabricated Just stumbled across this thread and thankfully some people are talking sense. I'm currently in Australia and most of the country is as free as ever with the bonus of no Covid. Yes, Vic and NSW are taking steps to deal with outbreaks in their states, but it's hardly a nationwide crackdown or descent into totalitarianism. And the political corruption issues in NSW are the usual pork-barrelling of public money for votes dating well back to before the pandemic even happened. I'm about to head out and enjoy a beer in glorious 30 degree weather - it's hell in this prison. "Enjoy your beer, I'll be queuing for the first prison ship available | |||
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"Enjoy your beer, I'll be queuing for the first prison ship available "The more the merrier! Those choosing to believe otherwise can stay home. Cheers! | |||
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"Going back to being a prison island lol Lol. "Off topic but - Your username is the description of my exact type ha | |||
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"Has Australia fallen yet????? T" It's a long way down under.... | |||
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"Has Australia fallen yet????? T It's a long way down under...." He just smiled and gave me a Vegemite sandwich... as he saw democracy fall | |||
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"Has Australia fallen yet????? T" All seems hunky dory. I miss the world is nigh sandwich board people. Now that was commitment to the cause. | |||
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"Has Australia fallen yet????? T All seems hunky dory. I miss the world is nigh sandwich board people. Now that was commitment to the cause." My personal favorite was people walking in front of those new fangled car things with flags because they thought you’d die if you went too fast. Just spoken to our daughter in Melbs and she confirmed that Australia is indeed still in one piece. T | |||
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