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"Think they have accepted that vaccine passports will not convince those who have still not been vaccinated to do so." Probably, it was a very divisive measure with the potential to alienate a lot of people. Also that the vaccine doesn't actually stop people catching and transmitting. | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. " How ever if you are flying on holiday a vaccine passport is handy compaired to getting tested before you leave and before you come back. | |||
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"It’s going through in Scotland unfortunately! " You could only hope for mass civil non compliance but too many people will go along to get along | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. " That is of no use if other countries require one for other nationalities to come in though...Britannia does not rule the waves anymore.. | |||
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"It’s going through in Scotland unfortunately! " If as a result scotlands case rates stabilize / go down whilst ours in England shoots up then Boris will likely be forced to bring them in, especially if real pressure is brought upon hospitals in England. Alternatively if Scotland with vaccine passports follows the same number patterns as the UK who are not using them then it will highlight they are a waste of time and show up the Krankie big time which tbf Boris would love. KJ | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. " I think it might be too early to say yet, they can uturn and spring it on the country out of nowhere and that still might happen. | |||
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"This is such good news and will stop any discrimination " This, it is good news too  | |||
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"We wait to hear what magical interventions may be touted instead. Winter plan coming this week? " I'm sure those who want to stay safe will take their own measures and risk assessments without any magical interventions. | |||
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"We wait to hear what magical interventions may be touted instead. Winter plan coming this week? I'm sure those who want to stay safe will take their own measures and risk assessments without any magical interventions. " We used to call this taking personal responsibility, although these days with the social justice warrior mentality and virtue signalling culture that pushes many into feeling secure in the options they take due to it being “unselfish” | |||
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"It’s going through in Scotland unfortunately! " Yes - and also puts ScotGov in a difficult position. Quite fortuitous that this information, if true, is released after Holyrood set out their stall  | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. " after everything so far im surprised people are still willing to give the government benefit of the doubt. We are talking about a government that would love to have as much control over our lives as possible here.... taking into consideration that the governments track record for telling the truth is pale in comparison to their lies we all know they are going to implement it. lets not just lay down and take it, lets fight against it. i told people before first lockdown march 2020 they were going to implement vaccine passports once they make a vaccine and people laughed. none of those people are laughing anymore. it's all part of the plan and an excuse to implement their digital id system sooner than later. Bill gates and the gavi alliance in partnership with the world economic forum and world health organisation. Follow the money. | |||
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"This is such good news and will stop any discrimination " Is it really discrimination though…. I would suggest any consequences are from decisions you freely made…. | |||
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"taking into account the scottish angle and the way that covid policy has panned out over the last 19 months or so, then the tory westminster government have just completely f*cked up yet again. watch this space. "Nearly 1000 deaths a week and still climbing and barely a mention.... What's to control? Everythings OK now right? | |||
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"This is such good news and will stop any discrimination Is it really discrimination though…. I would suggest any consequences are from decisions you freely made…. " Yes, it is discrimination You or no one else has any kind of right to be privy to someone else's medical information If YOU want to share YOURS, that's up to YOU, but YOU don't have the right to know MINE It's really easy | |||
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"This is such good news and will stop any discrimination Is it really discrimination though…. I would suggest any consequences are from decisions you freely made…. Yes, it is discrimination You or no one else has any kind of right to be privy to someone else's medical information If YOU want to share YOURS, that's up to YOU, but YOU don't have the right to know MINE It's really easy" It would not necessarily entail the sharing of any medical information. A pass or fail to meet the criteria set by the government, is all that would be needed. | |||
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"I feel a bit for the 18+ who were coerced into having 2 vaccines tbh. My son decided to go ahead so he could go clubbing etc. Let's hope there's no serious long term problems for this age group. " Presumably he knew the benefits, other than a potential social engagement passport though? | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. after everything so far im surprised people are still willing to give the government benefit of the doubt. We are talking about a government that would love to have as much control over our lives as possible here.... taking into consideration that the governments track record for telling the truth is pale in comparison to their lies we all know they are going to implement it. lets not just lay down and take it, lets fight against it. i told people before first lockdown march 2020 they were going to implement vaccine passports once they make a vaccine and people laughed. none of those people are laughing anymore. it's all part of the plan and an excuse to implement their digital id system sooner than later. Bill gates and the gavi alliance in partnership with the world economic forum and world health organisation. Follow the money. " You mentioned Bill Gates but not 5G. I'm now 1 short on mu forum bingo card  | |||
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"I feel a bit for the 18+ who were coerced into having 2 vaccines tbh. My son decided to go ahead so he could go clubbing etc. Let's hope there's no serious long term problems for this age group. Presumably he knew the benefits, other than a potential social engagement passport though? " That is the main reason why he had it. | |||
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"We wait to hear what magical interventions may be touted instead. Winter plan coming this week? I'm sure those who want to stay safe will take their own measures and risk assessments without any magical interventions. We used to call this taking personal responsibility, although these days with the social justice warrior mentality and virtue signalling culture that pushes many into feeling secure in the options they take due to it being “unselfish” "It’s a certainty that the kind of people you would describe as having ‘the social justice warrior mentality’ and being part of the ‘virtue signalling culture’ will show far more personal responsibility, common sense and general social responsibility than the kind of person who thinks the term ‘social justice warrior’ is pejorative. | |||
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"Not quite sure how they would have worked anyway, where is the expiry date on the passport? If they are not doing boosters when does your protection wane enough that it puts you back on the unvaccinated list again? " In the other countries where they've been used successfully, like Israel, they've not had an expiry. As we're still in the first year of vaccination, research evidence is still being gained that would drive such decisions. A bit like general passports, I guess they would eventually give an expiry. As it stands, each day would just show whether someone has a pass to engage with what they want to do, or not. | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. after everything so far im surprised people are still willing to give the government benefit of the doubt. We are talking about a government that would love to have as much control over our lives as possible here.... taking into consideration that the governments track record for telling the truth is pale in comparison to their lies we all know they are going to implement it. lets not just lay down and take it, lets fight against it. i told people before first lockdown march 2020 they were going to implement vaccine passports once they make a vaccine and people laughed. none of those people are laughing anymore. it's all part of the plan and an excuse to implement their digital id system sooner than later. Bill gates and the gavi alliance in partnership with the world economic forum and world health organisation. Follow the money. You mentioned Bill Gates but not 5G. I'm now 1 short on mu forum bingo card "  | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. after everything so far im surprised people are still willing to give the government benefit of the doubt. We are talking about a government that would love to have as much control over our lives as possible here.... taking into consideration that the governments track record for telling the truth is pale in comparison to their lies we all know they are going to implement it. lets not just lay down and take it, lets fight against it. i told people before first lockdown march 2020 they were going to implement vaccine passports once they make a vaccine and people laughed. none of those people are laughing anymore. it's all part of the plan and an excuse to implement their digital id system sooner than later. Bill gates and the gavi alliance in partnership with the world economic forum and world health organisation. Follow the money. You mentioned Bill Gates but not 5G. I'm now 1 short on mu forum bingo card "im lost. if you think its a joke, literally google bill gates gavi alliance and digital id. And look at the w.e.f connection to that. whats 5g got to do with anything? | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. after everything so far im surprised people are still willing to give the government benefit of the doubt. We are talking about a government that would love to have as much control over our lives as possible here.... taking into consideration that the governments track record for telling the truth is pale in comparison to their lies we all know they are going to implement it. lets not just lay down and take it, lets fight against it. i told people before first lockdown march 2020 they were going to implement vaccine passports once they make a vaccine and people laughed. none of those people are laughing anymore. it's all part of the plan and an excuse to implement their digital id system sooner than later. Bill gates and the gavi alliance in partnership with the world economic forum and world health organisation. Follow the money. You mentioned Bill Gates but not 5G. I'm now 1 short on mu forum bingo card
im lost. if you think its a joke, literally google bill gates gavi alliance and digital id. And look at the w.e.f connection to that.
whats 5g got to do with anything? "Apparently anyone who has seen any mega ritch and influential people speak up openly and publically in quite recent past about anything to to with overpopulation and depopulation are a complete joke and are bonkers for trusting YouTube and Facebook as their "news source" nevermind that it's like 3-5 year old "news". And it's not on BBC so it didn't happen  | |||
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"taking into account the scottish angle and the way that covid policy has panned out over the last 19 months or so, then the tory westminster government have just completely f*cked up yet again. watch this space.
Nearly 1000 deaths a week and still climbing and barely a mention.... What's to control? Everythings OK now right? "you tell us,after all you've set yourself up as the fab expert on the subject for the last year or so. | |||
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"I don't think nightclubs etc are going to be responsible for a rise in cases. If there is going to be a spike it will be driven by the schools and the winter weather forcing us to all socialise indoors." I am not sure about that. A relative of mine went out to a club a couple of weeks ago to celebrate a friends 21st. There were just over 20 in the group, 15 of them now have covid! | |||
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"I don't think nightclubs etc are going to be responsible for a rise in cases. If there is going to be a spike it will be driven by the schools and the winter weather forcing us to all socialise indoors. I am not sure about that. A relative of mine went out to a club a couple of weeks ago to celebrate a friends 21st. There were just over 20 in the group, 15 of them now have covid!" I reckon that is the reason why they have scrapped the passport only passport holders enjoying life will be the ones isolating.  | |||
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"I am not sure about that. A relative of mine went out to a club a couple of weeks ago to celebrate a friends 21st. There were just over 20 in the group, 15 of them now have covid!" 3 weeks ago i spent a week working at a festival with 18 colleagues followed by 5 days on site with 30,000 random others. statistics show that 70 people in attendance have since tested positive for covid with no evidence that positive reults are being attributed to the festival itself. your and my anecdotal evidence is clearly blurred. | |||
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"We wait to hear what magical interventions may be touted instead. Winter plan coming this week? I'm sure those who want to stay safe will take their own measures and risk assessments without any magical interventions. We used to call this taking personal responsibility, although these days with the social justice warrior mentality and virtue signalling culture that pushes many into feeling secure in the options they take due to it being “unselfish”
It’s a certainty that the kind of people you would describe as having ‘the social justice warrior mentality’ and being part of the ‘virtue signalling culture’ will show far more personal responsibility, common sense and general social responsibility than the kind of person who thinks the term ‘social justice warrior’ is pejorative."I’d like to see that elaborated on and the reason for that claim. It would also hold a presumed idea of what the one who doesn’t buy into the bullshit of social justice “issues” of the day that is or carry out life around doing what is deemed correct. | |||
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"I am not sure about that. A relative of mine went out to a club a couple of weeks ago to celebrate a friends 21st. There were just over 20 in the group, 15 of them now have covid! 3 weeks ago i spent a week working at a festival with 18 colleagues followed by 5 days on site with 30,000 random others. statistics show that 70 people in attendance have since tested positive for covid with no evidence that positive reults are being attributed to the festival itself. your and my anecdotal evidence is clearly blurred. "I'd definitely opt for an outdoors event, compared to indoors, with poor ventilation, to keep people safer from respiratory viruses, especially if people retain some distance between themselves and many others. | |||
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"Vaccine passports are part of the governments 'Plan B' for their winter plan Plan b will take effect if "If Plan A is not sufficient to prevent "unsustainable pressure" on the NHS, the government says Plan B will be required "as a last resort" We'll, seeing as the NHS has been under unsustainable pressure every winter I can remember and the government have also refused to release exactly parameters for what they class as unsustainable pressure: "Plan B could be brought in at short notice as a response to "concerning" data. Government scientific advisers haven't said exactly what this data would be, but say it's important to keep an eye on:" Then I've no doubt they'll sneak in passports this way Temporarily of course All excerpts above taken from the BBC story, posted this morning, titled: Covid rules: What's in England's 'Winter Plan'? " It's a bit like that scene out of Thelma and Louise... We're in a car heading towards a cliff edge...we have time to slow down or take a different road but nope let's take our seat belts off, turn the radio up and press the gas pedal. | |||
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"This will not apply to weddings, places of worship, funerals and protests" That made me laugh. I can just imagine them saying you need a covid passport to protest against covid passports
"Presumably he knew the benefits, other than a potential social engagement passport though? " I know several dozen people who decided to get the vaccine solely so they could go clubbing / go on holiday/cruises. It's blatant coercion, and it works. Passports are coming. Another lockdown is coming. I can't recall any specific winter where the NHS wasn't "at braking point". The few small businesses left alive are going to take another blow, with too many never coming back. | |||
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"Covid passport or not jabs or not you still catch and spread covid. Would they not be better spending the money on getting a real vaccine to stop it spreading in stead off a quick fix they don't even know how long the jabs will last " snake oil salesmen come to mind | |||
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"I dispair at the number of people that read and accept garbage in social media regarding vaccination when neither they nor the people posting the garbage seem to have the slightest understanding of what the vaccine is or what it's supposed to do. A vaccine helps your body to prepare for an attack by a virus which it hasn't seen before and will enable your bodys immune system to attack and destroy the virus. The vaccine is not an invisible force field that repels the virus, your body cannot deal with the virus until you actually become infected and there is a virus present in your body to attack. The vaccine is meant to prevent you becoming seriously ill and according to the figures being published in almost every country in the world it is doing it's job as the infection/death ratio is much lower than before the vaccine. You also have to understand that while your body is fighting the virus it's very likely you will be able to pass the vurus to other people but the risk is reduced as you may have a lower viral load. You also need to understand that the vaccine is not 100% effective and that means that it will not protect everyone, in fact maybe 10 in every 100 who get infected will unfortunately get sick and that's why the more people who take the vaccine the better. As for the booster, after a period your immune system is busy doing other things and will "forget" the vaccine it received and needs a booster. This applies to all vaccines that we have during our lifetime and not just Covid. Unfortunately this doesn't fit with the agenda of some people but it is the truth take it or leave it." It takes years to have a tried and tested vaccine but they have produced one in under a year?.. No idea what the long term effects will be.. Doesn't stop people catching or passing on this covid shite... Need a booster every 6 month... Doesn't sound like an ideal solution to me!! Oh and if you don't get vaccinated then you can't attend certain events.... Discrimination. And no I won't be getting any vaccine/ boosters or anything else that they want to offer me... I'm fine the way I am | |||
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"Covid passport or not jabs or not you still catch and spread covid. Would they not be better spending the money on getting a real vaccine to stop it spreading in stead off a quick fix they don't even know how long the jabs will last " The sars-cov-2 virus is a positive-sense, single-strand genome. It acts as messenger rna on entry into a cell and is directly translated into viral protein by the cells ribosome. Yes, a standard inactivated-virus vaccine would also work. The problem is that these present very low effectiveness in older people and those who are immunocompromised. As low as 20% in the old. By contrast, the mRNA vaccines have a demonstrated effectiveness of almost 100% in practically every person. Flu vaccines effectiveness also wanes with time. | |||
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"I dispair at the number of people that read and accept garbage in social media regarding vaccination when neither they nor the people posting the garbage seem to have the slightest understanding of what the vaccine is or what it's supposed to do. A vaccine helps your body to prepare for an attack by a virus which it hasn't seen before and will enable your bodys immune system to attack and destroy the virus. The vaccine is not an invisible force field that repels the virus, your body cannot deal with the virus until you actually become infected and there is a virus present in your body to attack. The vaccine is meant to prevent you becoming seriously ill and according to the figures being published in almost every country in the world it is doing it's job as the infection/death ratio is much lower than before the vaccine. You also have to understand that while your body is fighting the virus it's very likely you will be able to pass the vurus to other people but the risk is reduced as you may have a lower viral load. You also need to understand that the vaccine is not 100% effective and that means that it will not protect everyone, in fact maybe 10 in every 100 who get infected will unfortunately get sick and that's why the more people who take the vaccine the better. As for the booster, after a period your immune system is busy doing other things and will "forget" the vaccine it received and needs a booster. This applies to all vaccines that we have during our lifetime and not just Covid. Unfortunately this doesn't fit with the agenda of some people but it is the truth take it or leave it. It takes years to have a tried and tested vaccine but they have produced one in under a year?.. No idea what the long term effects will be.. Doesn't stop people catching or passing on this covid shite... Need a booster every 6 month... Doesn't sound like an ideal solution to me!! Oh and if you don't get vaccinated then you can't attend certain events.... Discrimination. And no I won't be getting any vaccine/ boosters or anything else that they want to offer me... I'm fine the way I am "If there was no vaccine as you would rather it took years to produce it. We would be looking at an additional 100k deaths. Whilst anti vaxers are a noisy bunch, there would have been riots had our government been the only government in the world to reject the vaccine and just let people die with no protection. That would not be a conspiracy it would be a dereliction of duty and potentially criminal behaviour by a government. | |||
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"Some people do talk out of their asses "All who talk in the sense of knowing “the truth” and believe what they say to be 100% truth are shit talkers. If there’s anything any one could know for certainty it would be “the self” who or what you are! | |||
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"What amazes me is that no one has actually realised that while they talk about implementing plan B and covid passports the reason they keep saying that the NHS may come under undue pressure is because of flu, other respiratory viruses and the sickness bug all that are on the rise because of lockdowns and people having not had them last year. So covid passports is a complete load of crap it’s just another way to try and demonise those that have choose to / can not have the vaccine. " I think you missed the news that they are not using covid passports | |||
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"What amazes me is that no one has actually realised that while they talk about implementing plan B and covid passports the reason they keep saying that the NHS may come under undue pressure is because of flu, other respiratory viruses and the sickness bug all that are on the rise because of lockdowns and people having not had them last year. So covid passports is a complete load of crap it’s just another way to try and demonise those that have choose to / can not have the vaccine. I think you missed the news that they are not using covid passports " Plan B. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down." but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down." I disagree. Further lockdowns and passports will do little to manage this disease. Either they need to upgrade the vaccine to make it more robust and effect or we keep our immunity topped up by regular contact with this virus. The vaccine has allowed us to meet this vaccine with a reduced risk. What will a passport or further lockdown do to build our resilience. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated " I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said." sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid | |||
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"What amazes me is that no one has actually realised that while they talk about implementing plan B and covid passports the reason they keep saying that the NHS may come under undue pressure is because of flu, other respiratory viruses and the sickness bug all that are on the rise because of lockdowns and people having not had them last year. So covid passports is a complete load of crap it’s just another way to try and demonise those that have choose to / can not have the vaccine. " The drop in flu numbers was because of people not mingling as much and having a think called a mask over their mouths and noses when out… I mean, who da thought masks could stop germs spreading….. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid " It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply." You are able to transmit it regardless of your vaccination status. Less or more it doesn't really matter as it varies from person to person. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply. You are able to transmit it regardless of your vaccination status. Less or more it doesn't really matter as it varies from person to person. " Yes, it's true that transmission is possible. All I'm saying is that that's a factor I suspect the government will consider. I think the passports are inevitable. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply. You are able to transmit it regardless of your vaccination status. Less or more it doesn't really matter as it varies from person to person. " I do struggle to believe that the average rate of transmission from vaccinated and asymptomatic people can be anything like the transmission rate from unvaccinated moderately ill people. Less or more really does matter when determining policies for populations not individuals. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply. You are able to transmit it regardless of your vaccination status. Less or more it doesn't really matter as it varies from person to person. I do struggle to believe that the average rate of transmission from vaccinated and asymptomatic people can be anything like the transmission rate from unvaccinated moderately ill people. Less or more really does matter when determining policies for populations not individuals." That will be a factor that the government consider, I'm sure. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply. You are able to transmit it regardless of your vaccination status. Less or more it doesn't really matter as it varies from person to person. I do struggle to believe that the average rate of transmission from vaccinated and asymptomatic people can be anything like the transmission rate from unvaccinated moderately ill people. Less or more really does matter when determining policies for populations not individuals." Im unvaccinated and had covid. You know how many people I infected and potentially killed? ZERO (I know, shocker) Staying at home when you're sick is a thing you know... If instead of bringing in these ridiculous "vaccine passports" the government would invest the money into sick leave payment - maybe minimum wage workers would have a choice of staying at home when Ill and not going out to work and spread any germs they have. | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply. You are able to transmit it regardless of your vaccination status. Less or more it doesn't really matter as it varies from person to person. I do struggle to believe that the average rate of transmission from vaccinated and asymptomatic people can be anything like the transmission rate from unvaccinated moderately ill people. Less or more really does matter when determining policies for populations not individuals. Im unvaccinated and had covid. You know how many people I infected and potentially killed? ZERO (I know, shocker) Staying at home when you're sick is a thing you know... If instead of bringing in these ridiculous "vaccine passports" the government would invest the money into sick leave payment - maybe minimum wage workers would have a choice of staying at home when Ill and not going out to work and spread any germs they have. "A financial safety net for people who take ill would be a fine thing. Do you see this government doing anything like that? | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply. You are able to transmit it regardless of your vaccination status. Less or more it doesn't really matter as it varies from person to person. I do struggle to believe that the average rate of transmission from vaccinated and asymptomatic people can be anything like the transmission rate from unvaccinated moderately ill people. Less or more really does matter when determining policies for populations not individuals. Im unvaccinated and had covid. You know how many people I infected and potentially killed? ZERO (I know, shocker) Staying at home when you're sick is a thing you know... If instead of bringing in these ridiculous "vaccine passports" the government would invest the money into sick leave payment - maybe minimum wage workers would have a choice of staying at home when Ill and not going out to work and spread any germs they have. "Stop making sense | |||
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"I feel the passport is almost inevitable, given the state of things now - workload of the NHS, university going back, schools, going back to the office, mitigations or lack thereof, more people going indoors as the weather cools down. but if 90% of the population is vaccinated and thefore will not be ill enough to need hospital treatment why is it a problem. That means that roughly only 5 mill over the age of 16 people in this country are unvaccinated and with any logic needed with the numbers being thrown at us atleast 25% of those unvaccinated will have already had covid. So actually there shouldn’t be a need for a covid passport. If the NHS is going to be put under pressure due to othe health issues and such then they should be addressed not attack the 5 million in vaccinated I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying, these are the factors to consider, and this is why I predict it will happen, based on what the government has said. sorry the attack reference was not amid at you it was aimed at the idea of a vaccine passport that will actually only impact 5 million people so will it actually have any impact on reducing the spread of covid It depends on the data on transmission that's being observed, and the circumstances under which a passport might apply. You are able to transmit it regardless of your vaccination status. Less or more it doesn't really matter as it varies from person to person. I do struggle to believe that the average rate of transmission from vaccinated and asymptomatic people can be anything like the transmission rate from unvaccinated moderately ill people. Less or more really does matter when determining policies for populations not individuals. Im unvaccinated and had covid. You know how many people I infected and potentially killed? ZERO (I know, shocker) Staying at home when you're sick is a thing you know... If instead of bringing in these ridiculous "vaccine passports" the government would invest the money into sick leave payment - maybe minimum wage workers would have a choice of staying at home when Ill and not going out to work and spread any germs they have. "I applaud you for doing the right thing regards staying at home . I agree there needs to be better sick cover to encourage others to do the same but there will always be plenty that won’t stay home. Again you personally may not have transmitted to anyone but statistically speaking, within the wider population, there will be 1000’s if others in exactly the same scenario as yours who did. Policy making is about populations not the individual. Note I’m not a fan of vaccine passports, neither am I a fan of widely vaccinating under 16’s | |||
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"What amazes me is that no one has actually realised that while they talk about implementing plan B and covid passports the reason they keep saying that the NHS may come under undue pressure is because of flu, other respiratory viruses and the sickness bug all that are on the rise because of lockdowns and people having not had them last year. So covid passports is a complete load of crap it’s just another way to try and demonise those that have choose to / can not have the vaccine. The drop in flu numbers was because of people not mingling as much and having a think called a mask over their mouths and noses when out… I mean, who da thought masks could stop germs spreading….. "so your point is what??? Doing those things and not alluring people to catch colds/ flu/ viruses/ bugs last year is effectively what is going to put the NHS under pressure this year. | |||
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"What amazes me is that no one has actually realised that while they talk about implementing plan B and covid passports the reason they keep saying that the NHS may come under undue pressure is because of flu, other respiratory viruses and the sickness bug all that are on the rise because of lockdowns and people having not had them last year. So covid passports is a complete load of crap it’s just another way to try and demonise those that have choose to / can not have the vaccine. I think you missed the news that they are not using covid passports " And I think you missed the news that yet they probably will be using covid passports | |||
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"How long are they giving the effects of the vaccination to stay in the system. If efficiency wears off after 6 mths and only the vulnerable get a third jab will that make everyones passports null and void anyway and everyone is back at square one when their six months is up. " I strongly suspect the government are making it up as they go along. | |||
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"How long are they giving the effects of the vaccination to stay in the system. If efficiency wears off after 6 mths and only the vulnerable get a third jab will that make everyones passports null and void anyway and everyone is back at square one when their six months is up. " Its not a case of it suddenly stops working after 6 months, I think it's just simply because this is all very new and we want to avoid what happened last Winter at the moment it is cautionary. | |||
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"How long are they giving the effects of the vaccination to stay in the system. If efficiency wears off after 6 mths and only the vulnerable get a third jab will that make everyones passports null and void anyway and everyone is back at square one when their six months is up. Its not a case of it suddenly stops working after 6 months, I think it's just simply because this is all very new and we want to avoid what happened last Winter at the moment it is cautionary. " Im quite glad Im not in charge of it all | |||
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"I dispair at the number of people that read and accept garbage in social media regarding vaccination when neither they nor the people posting the garbage seem to have the slightest understanding of what the vaccine is or what it's supposed to do. A vaccine helps your body to prepare for an attack by a virus which it hasn't seen before and will enable your bodys immune system to attack and destroy the virus. The vaccine is not an invisible force field that repels the virus, your body cannot deal with the virus until you actually become infected and there is a virus present in your body to attack. The vaccine is meant to prevent you becoming seriously ill and according to the figures being published in almost every country in the world it is doing it's job as the infection/death ratio is much lower than before the vaccine. You also have to understand that while your body is fighting the virus it's very likely you will be able to pass the vurus to other people but the risk is reduced as you may have a lower viral load. You also need to understand that the vaccine is not 100% effective and that means that it will not protect everyone, in fact maybe 10 in every 100 who get infected will unfortunately get sick and that's why the more people who take the vaccine the better. As for the booster, after a period your immune system is busy doing other things and will "forget" the vaccine it received and needs a booster. This applies to all vaccines that we have during our lifetime and not just Covid. Unfortunately this doesn't fit with the agenda of some people but it is the truth take it or leave it. It takes years to have a tried and tested vaccine but they have produced one in under a year?.. No idea what the long term effects will be.. Doesn't stop people catching or passing on this covid shite... Need a booster every 6 month... Doesn't sound like an ideal solution to me!! Oh and if you don't get vaccinated then you can't attend certain events.... Discrimination. And no I won't be getting any vaccine/ boosters or anything else that they want to offer me... I'm fine the way I am "at the start of covid they said it would take 2/3 years to develop a vaccine and 2/3 years to trial it and with in 6/8 weeks we had a vaccine we are on a mass trial of these jabs till 2023 no one knows how long they give protection for as they are even a years worth of data for them | |||
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"How long are they giving the effects of the vaccination to stay in the system. If efficiency wears off after 6 mths and only the vulnerable get a third jab will that make everyones passports null and void anyway and everyone is back at square one when their six months is up. " I think that is basically the case in Israel right now. If you’ve not had a third jab after 6 months of having had the 2nd you covid pass is suspended | |||
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"at the start of covid they said it would take 2/3 years to develop a vaccine and 2/3 years to trial it and with in 6/8 weeks we had a vaccine we are on a mass trial of these jabs till 2023 no one knows how long they give protection for as they are even a years worth of data for them " It is so amusing how people are suddenly so concerned about the contents and testing of medicines, none of them were the slightest bit concerned prior to being told by facebook that they needed to be concerned about these vaccines. The truth is: When the pandemic started, some said "it would take 2/3 years to develop a vaccine and 2/3 years to trial it", where as scientists who work in the field of developing vaccines said "If you fund us properly, we can produce vaccine candidates to test in a fraction of that time", and "There are ways to carry out the testing process quicker if we don't have to wait approval before you release the funding for the next stage". Contrary to Facebook opinion, there wasn't just one vaccine suddenly ready to be rolled out. There were dozens of different "Vaccine candidates" conceived and tested by each of the teams working on them. Many of which proved to be ineffective or problematic and didn't pass initial testing. The best of their initial "designs" progressed to the next stages of testing until they had the "Best option" from their collection of candidates... The initial testing of all of the (13) currently approved vaccines started back in the first quarter of 2020, and continue to collect data from their trial subjects... plus data from the real world vaccine roll-outs. There are also FOUR different vaccine technologies used between the different available jabs, not just the (30 year old) New Technology that is "mRNA Vaccines"... Yes it is true that the life span of the protection isn't known, but that is because the initial test subjects are still showing some levels of protection well over a year after their inoculation. What we do know though, is that the protection is better than zero protection, which is what you get from not getting jabbed. Cal | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. " I thought ‘the state’ was using covid as a cover story to ‘take away our liberty’... I guess that concept was a load of old bollocks then! | |||
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"at the start of covid they said it would take 2/3 years to develop a vaccine and 2/3 years to trial it and with in 6/8 weeks we had a vaccine we are on a mass trial of these jabs till 2023 no one knows how long they give protection for as they are even a years worth of data for them It is so amusing how people are suddenly so concerned about the contents and testing of medicines, none of them were the slightest bit concerned prior to being told by facebook that they needed to be concerned about these vaccines. The truth is: When the pandemic started, some said "it would take 2/3 years to develop a vaccine and 2/3 years to trial it", where as scientists who work in the field of developing vaccines said "If you fund us properly, we can produce vaccine candidates to test in a fraction of that time", and "There are ways to carry out the testing process quicker if we don't have to wait approval before you release the funding for the next stage". Contrary to Facebook opinion, there wasn't just one vaccine suddenly ready to be rolled out. There were dozens of different "Vaccine candidates" conceived and tested by each of the teams working on them. Many of which proved to be ineffective or problematic and didn't pass initial testing. The best of their initial "designs" progressed to the next stages of testing until they had the "Best option" from their collection of candidates... The initial testing of all of the (13) currently approved vaccines started back in the first quarter of 2020, and continue to collect data from their trial subjects... plus data from the real world vaccine roll-outs. There are also FOUR different vaccine technologies used between the different available jabs, not just the (30 year old) New Technology that is "mRNA Vaccines"... Yes it is true that the life span of the protection isn't known, but that is because the initial test subjects are still showing some levels of protection well over a year after their inoculation. What we do know though, is that the protection is better than zero protection, which is what you get from not getting jabbed. Cal" I don't believe it!! But if my hairdresser's sister's friend's uncle's dog had posted it on Facebook I'd know it was true.  | |||
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"I dispair at the number of people that read and accept garbage in social media regarding vaccination when neither they nor the people posting the garbage seem to have the slightest understanding of what the vaccine is or what it's supposed to do. A vaccine helps your body to prepare for an attack by a virus which it hasn't seen before and will enable your bodys immune system to attack and destroy the virus. The vaccine is not an invisible force field that repels the virus, your body cannot deal with the virus until you actually become infected and there is a virus present in your body to attack. The vaccine is meant to prevent you becoming seriously ill and according to the figures being published in almost every country in the world it is doing it's job as the infection/death ratio is much lower than before the vaccine. You also have to understand that while your body is fighting the virus it's very likely you will be able to pass the vurus to other people but the risk is reduced as you may have a lower viral load. You also need to understand that the vaccine is not 100% effective and that means that it will not protect everyone, in fact maybe 10 in every 100 who get infected will unfortunately get sick and that's why the more people who take the vaccine the better. As for the booster, after a period your immune system is busy doing other things and will "forget" the vaccine it received and needs a booster. This applies to all vaccines that we have during our lifetime and not just Covid. Unfortunately this doesn't fit with the agenda of some people but it is the truth take it or leave it. It takes years to have a tried and tested vaccine but they have produced one in under a year?.. No idea what the long term effects will be.. Doesn't stop people catching or passing on this covid shite... Need a booster every 6 month... Doesn't sound like an ideal solution to me!! Oh and if you don't get vaccinated then you can't attend certain events.... Discrimination. And no I won't be getting any vaccine/ boosters or anything else that they want to offer me... I'm fine the way I am at the start of covid they said it would take 2/3 years to develop a vaccine and 2/3 years to trial it and with in 6/8 weeks we had a vaccine we are on a mass trial of these jabs till 2023 no one knows how long they give protection for as they are even a years worth of data for them "noone has chucked quote as much money and resource into a vaccine as this. Companies started to build the means of prediction while also building the vaccine. That's unusual. So while this all feels quick,that didn't mean in itself corners have been cut. In terms of long term safety, I asked myself: do I know what the long term issues if catching Covid are, even if I get through the original illness relatively easily? I don't. But anything that fucks up the lungs would worry me | |||
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"So Javid himself has just stated this on BBC. At last, some common sense. I thought ‘the state’ was using covid as a cover story to ‘take away our liberty’... I guess that concept was a load of old bollocks then! This is the issue for 12 months everytime a restriction was put in place for public safety purposes, people started shouting wake up they are taking your freedoms. But as each restriction have been lifted or in this case not put in place those same people don't come back and admit they were wrong and it was not a wider conspiracy, just a temporary measure. I do think it would be beneficial for all uk citizens to do a 3 month stint in another country to truly understand what freedoms we have and how Liberal we are as a society compared to the rest of the world. " Couldn't agree more, all the idiots screaming that we are turning into north Korea or living in a dictatorship really have no clue just what the people of a country like that go through compaired to the huge amount of freedom we have in this country. People in the UK don't "vanish" for having an opinion that goes against the state or have access to outside news and media controlled by the government or internet access limited to "state approved" sites. I won't even get started about some people's understanding of the implications of a WORLDWIDE pandemic or vaccines | |||
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"Just looked at the requirements to visit other countries and most requirements are for some kind of passport. Personally I don't know what is wrong with having proof yiunhave been jabbed." Because my personal medical information is MY personal medical information It's not difficult to understand | |||
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"Just looked at the requirements to visit other countries and most requirements are for some kind of passport. Personally I don't know what is wrong with having proof yiunhave been jabbed. Because my personal medical information is MY personal medical information It's not difficult to understand" You are not giving any medical information. You are saying you have received a vaccine that is not the same as giving your medical information is it! | |||
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"Just looked at the requirements to visit other countries and most requirements are for some kind of passport. Personally I don't know what is wrong with having proof yiunhave been jabbed. Because my personal medical information is MY personal medical information It's not difficult to understand You are not giving any medical information. You are saying you have received a vaccine that is not the same as giving your medical information is it!" Of course it is. What medication you may or may not have had is your personal medical information. If you want to tell people what medications you take, that's you information to divulge as you wish, but I have no right to access it | |||
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"Just looked at the requirements to visit other countries and most requirements are for some kind of passport. Personally I don't know what is wrong with having proof yiunhave been jabbed. Because my personal medical information is MY personal medical information It's not difficult to understand You are not giving any medical information. You are saying you have received a vaccine that is not the same as giving your medical information is it! Of course it is. What medication you may or may not have had is your personal medical information. If you want to tell people what medications you take, that's you information to divulge as you wish, but I have no right to access it " It’s a real point of principle. | |||
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"It's a case of: if you have had the vaccine you are less likely to need a hospital bed. So those who are making an effort not to be a drain on the NHS are free to live their lives but the people who think they are entitled to a night out at the expense of using that bed and taking it from someone who needs it through no fault of their own can jog off. The government needs to protect our resources." You can't really assume everyone unvaccinated who got infected did so by going on a night out. Just as you can't assume that the vaccinated never got infected on a night out. | |||
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"It's a case of: if you have had the vaccine you are less likely to need a hospital bed. So those who are making an effort not to be a drain on the NHS are free to live their lives but the people who think they are entitled to a night out at the expense of using that bed and taking it from someone who needs it through no fault of their own can jog off. The government needs to protect our resources. You can't really assume everyone unvaccinated who got infected did so by going on a night out. Just as you can't assume that the vaccinated never got infected on a night out. " It didn't appear to be a universal claim of that | |||
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"It's a case of: if you have had the vaccine you are less likely to need a hospital bed. So those who are making an effort not to be a drain on the NHS are free to live their lives but the people who think they are entitled to a night out at the expense of using that bed and taking it from someone who needs it through no fault of their own can jog off. The government needs to protect our resources." So using that logic then should we not have a General Health Passport instead to stop smokers, obese and people with underlying health conditions etc taking up NHS beds? | |||
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"It's a case of: if you have had the vaccine you are less likely to need a hospital bed. So those who are making an effort not to be a drain on the NHS are free to live their lives but the people who think they are entitled to a night out at the expense of using that bed and taking it from someone who needs it through no fault of their own can jog off. The government needs to protect our resources. So using that logic then should we not have a General Health Passport instead to stop smokers, obese and people with underlying health conditions etc taking up NHS beds? " Totally agree with you! | |||
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"It's a case of: if you have had the vaccine you are less likely to need a hospital bed. So those who are making an effort not to be a drain on the NHS are free to live their lives but the people who think they are entitled to a night out at the expense of using that bed and taking it from someone who needs it through no fault of their own can jog off. The government needs to protect our resources." In this logic may be those who made an effort to get covid and be asymptomatic or get it/ recover should get browny points, most being 6-13 times more protected than the vaccine through natural immunity . Honestly some people...... | |||
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"It's a case of: if you have had the vaccine you are less likely to need a hospital bed. So those who are making an effort not to be a drain on the NHS are free to live their lives but the people who think they are entitled to a night out at the expense of using that bed and taking it from someone who needs it through no fault of their own can jog off. The government needs to protect our resources. So using that logic then should we not have a General Health Passport instead to stop smokers, obese and people with underlying health conditions etc taking up NHS beds? Totally agree with you!" Being an uptight smart arse with some uppity high horse views sometimes back fires... what's the saying about not throwing stones when you live in a glass house | |||
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"It's a case of: if you have had the vaccine you are less likely to need a hospital bed. So those who are making an effort not to be a drain on the NHS are free to live their lives but the people who think they are entitled to a night out at the expense of using that bed and taking it from someone who needs it through no fault of their own can jog off. The government needs to protect our resources. In this logic may be those who made an effort to get covid and be asymptomatic or get it/ recover should get browny points, most being 6-13 times more protected than the vaccine through natural immunity . Honestly some people...... " The strongest protection that they could have will come from the vaccines. | |||
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"How would the passports work. Wales has said that to get a passport to go to clubs you need to be either double vaccinated or have taken a lateral flow test with 48hrs. Thinking logically how can they police that. Lateral flow test are reported on trust therefore what is to stop somebody who is anti-vax from getting a free NHS lateral flow package taking one of the test and reporting it as negative without actually taking it." I suspect the lateral flow tests will be abolished as a requirement if people can't be trusted. This is why we can't have nice things... | |||
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"How would the passports work. Wales has said that to get a passport to go to clubs you need to be either double vaccinated or have taken a lateral flow test with 48hrs. Thinking logically how can they police that. Lateral flow test are reported on trust therefore what is to stop somebody who is anti-vax from getting a free NHS lateral flow package taking one of the test and reporting it as negative without actually taking it. I suspect the lateral flow tests will be abolished as a requirement if people can't be trusted. This is why we can't have nice things..." But then it becomes discriminatory. You would have to make the testing element either a PCR test or done in a centre at which point it fails to be cost effective. I suspect in a couple of months they will quietly drop the whole thing rather like England has because in my view it is unworkable unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time, effort and more importantly money to ensure it is effective. | |||
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"How would the passports work. Wales has said that to get a passport to go to clubs you need to be either double vaccinated or have taken a lateral flow test with 48hrs. Thinking logically how can they police that. Lateral flow test are reported on trust therefore what is to stop somebody who is anti-vax from getting a free NHS lateral flow package taking one of the test and reporting it as negative without actually taking it." Who would have thought two years ago that in the event of a life threatening disease sweeping across the world, there would be people deliberately circumventing rules intended to keep everyone healthy? That when provided with the availability of a free, fast, simple method of checking if they might be carrying the disease and might pass it along to others, they might not just refuse to use it, but might deliberately falsify results? And that these would be just ordinary people, not terrorists on some kind of suicide mission or psychopaths with a hatred of humanity? Crazy isn't it! Unbelievable! | |||
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"How would the passports work. Wales has said that to get a passport to go to clubs you need to be either double vaccinated or have taken a lateral flow test with 48hrs. Thinking logically how can they police that. Lateral flow test are reported on trust therefore what is to stop somebody who is anti-vax from getting a free NHS lateral flow package taking one of the test and reporting it as negative without actually taking it. I suspect the lateral flow tests will be abolished as a requirement if people can't be trusted. This is why we can't have nice things... But then it becomes discriminatory. You would have to make the testing element either a PCR test or done in a centre at which point it fails to be cost effective. I suspect in a couple of months they will quietly drop the whole thing rather like England has because in my view it is unworkable unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time, effort and more importantly money to ensure it is effective." "I choose not to take a medical intervention" is not a protected class. It's as much discrimination as the NHS not hiring me as a doctor. If anti vaxxers (or vaccine hesitant, or noble freedom fighters, or whatever) want to proclude those who aren't vaccinated from events, showing the flaws in test or vaccinate is exactly how to do it. We want to protect public health and stop lockdowns. People are faking test results. Oh well, vaccine only it is. | |||
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"How would the passports work. Wales has said that to get a passport to go to clubs you need to be either double vaccinated or have taken a lateral flow test with 48hrs. Thinking logically how can they police that. Lateral flow test are reported on trust therefore what is to stop somebody who is anti-vax from getting a free NHS lateral flow package taking one of the test and reporting it as negative without actually taking it. Who would have thought two years ago that in the event of a life threatening disease sweeping across the world, there would be people deliberately circumventing rules intended to keep everyone healthy? That when provided with the availability of a free, fast, simple method of checking if they might be carrying the disease and might pass it along to others, they might not just refuse to use it, but might deliberately falsify results? And that these would be just ordinary people, not terrorists on some kind of suicide mission or psychopaths with a hatred of humanity? Crazy isn't it! Unbelievable!" Yeah kind of... But you can apply that thought process to pretty much anything... Exams and cheating... ID papers... Self check out at supermarkets.... People will cheat and lie. Its why when you design a system / process to ensure people's well being and health in the middle of an epidemic spreading across the world... That you design the process well and remove as many opportunities for it to be bypassed as possible. I don't deny that you should be able to trust people.. But you can't... | |||
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"How would the passports work. Wales has said that to get a passport to go to clubs you need to be either double vaccinated or have taken a lateral flow test with 48hrs. Thinking logically how can they police that. Lateral flow test are reported on trust therefore what is to stop somebody who is anti-vax from getting a free NHS lateral flow package taking one of the test and reporting it as negative without actually taking it. Who would have thought two years ago that in the event of a life threatening disease sweeping across the world, there would be people deliberately circumventing rules intended to keep everyone healthy? That when provided with the availability of a free, fast, simple method of checking if they might be carrying the disease and might pass it along to others, they might not just refuse to use it, but might deliberately falsify results? And that these would be just ordinary people, not terrorists on some kind of suicide mission or psychopaths with a hatred of humanity? Crazy isn't it! Unbelievable! Yeah kind of... But you can apply that thought process to pretty much anything... Exams and cheating... ID papers... Self check out at supermarkets.... People will cheat and lie. Its why when you design a system / process to ensure people's well being and health in the middle of an epidemic spreading across the world... That you design the process well and remove as many opportunities for it to be bypassed as possible. I don't deny that you should be able to trust people.. But you can't..." A few years ago I had to take a test. Government related. Apparently the cheating system was so bad that they confiscated my jacket, frisked me, made me lift my clothing, ran their fingers inside my underwear, and inspected my glasses for devices. I had to go through that indignity because apparently people can't be trusted. Was I cheating? God no. If people try to break the system, the system will just be made more punitive. We'll all suffer for it. | |||
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"How would the passports work. Wales has said that to get a passport to go to clubs you need to be either double vaccinated or have taken a lateral flow test with 48hrs. Thinking logically how can they police that. Lateral flow test are reported on trust therefore what is to stop somebody who is anti-vax from getting a free NHS lateral flow package taking one of the test and reporting it as negative without actually taking it. I suspect the lateral flow tests will be abolished as a requirement if people can't be trusted. This is why we can't have nice things... But then it becomes discriminatory. You would have to make the testing element either a PCR test or done in a centre at which point it fails to be cost effective. I suspect in a couple of months they will quietly drop the whole thing rather like England has because in my view it is unworkable unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time, effort and more importantly money to ensure it is effective. "I choose not to take a medical intervention" is not a protected class. It's as much discrimination as the NHS not hiring me as a doctor. If anti vaxxers (or vaccine hesitant, or noble freedom fighters, or whatever) want to proclude those who aren't vaccinated from events, showing the flaws in test or vaccinate is exactly how to do it. We want to protect public health and stop lockdowns. People are faking test results. Oh well, vaccine only it is." But it is discrimatory as has been proven in a number of cases now because not everybody can have the vaccine. Currently they have not come up with a simple way of not discriminating against them hence why there has been constant discussions in Parliment and the media about it. I am not disputing that I my view it shouldn't be but currently there are plenty of lawyers and people prepared to take to the law courts to prove it is discriminatory. | |||
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"How would the passports work. Wales has said that to get a passport to go to clubs you need to be either double vaccinated or have taken a lateral flow test with 48hrs. Thinking logically how can they police that. Lateral flow test are reported on trust therefore what is to stop somebody who is anti-vax from getting a free NHS lateral flow package taking one of the test and reporting it as negative without actually taking it. I suspect the lateral flow tests will be abolished as a requirement if people can't be trusted. This is why we can't have nice things... But then it becomes discriminatory. You would have to make the testing element either a PCR test or done in a centre at which point it fails to be cost effective. I suspect in a couple of months they will quietly drop the whole thing rather like England has because in my view it is unworkable unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time, effort and more importantly money to ensure it is effective. "I choose not to take a medical intervention" is not a protected class. It's as much discrimination as the NHS not hiring me as a doctor. If anti vaxxers (or vaccine hesitant, or noble freedom fighters, or whatever) want to proclude those who aren't vaccinated from events, showing the flaws in test or vaccinate is exactly how to do it. We want to protect public health and stop lockdowns. People are faking test results. Oh well, vaccine only it is. But it is discrimatory as has been proven in a number of cases now because not everybody can have the vaccine. Currently they have not come up with a simple way of not discriminating against them hence why there has been constant discussions in Parliment and the media about it. I am not disputing that I my view it shouldn't be but currently there are plenty of lawyers and people prepared to take to the law courts to prove it is discriminatory. " This is why the exemption category exists. Those who can't won't be excluded. Those who won't - not a protected class. So, not discrimination. | |||
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