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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" you do realise that the vaccine isn't designed to make you immune to covid? | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" And the majority of hospitalisations and deaths are fir those aged under 40. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Yes, obviously. It clearly doesn't prove what you think it does.... | |||
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"The majority of this age group are vaccinated, so it is a reasonable expectation that the majority of infections within it will have been vaccinated. Thankfully, the incredibly safe and effective vaccines are also preventing very serious illness and deaths, as another predictable outcome. I've not seen the latest data, perhaps OP could confirm that all is much as predicted and as has been discussed here, for a few weeks. " There is no data at all being released on any negative effects of the vaccine, the health board refused MPs access to this data, claiming such things is dispicable when the info is not available. Flu & covid vaccine have never stopped you getting Ill, nor passing it on, they only prevent YOU from getting seriously ill. This is why vaccine passports are useless for anything other than control over masses & coercion into medical trials...that door is wide open now. Test at mass events I get, not medical passports | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Indeed this is the case for August, according to data released by PHE. But then again, hospitalisations and deaths for August are much higher on those ages for the non- vaxxed. Therefore, if you think that being unvaccinated offers you more protection, think again! | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Assuming that's correct, what do you think the data proves? | |||
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive. "I did actually giggle when I read that...I know I shouldn't have really. | |||
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"The majority of this age group are vaccinated, so it is a reasonable expectation that the majority of infections within it will have been vaccinated. Thankfully, the incredibly safe and effective vaccines are also preventing very serious illness and deaths, as another predictable outcome. I've not seen the latest data, perhaps OP could confirm that all is much as predicted and as has been discussed here, for a few weeks. There is no data at all being released on any negative effects of the vaccine, the health board refused MPs access to this data, claiming such things is dispicable when the info is not available. Flu & covid vaccine have never stopped you getting Ill, nor passing it on, they only prevent YOU from getting seriously ill. This is why vaccine passports are useless for anything other than control over masses & coercion into medical trials...that door is wide open now. Test at mass events I get, not medical passports" | |||
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"The majority of this age group are vaccinated, so it is a reasonable expectation that the majority of infections within it will have been vaccinated. Thankfully, the incredibly safe and effective vaccines are also preventing very serious illness and deaths, as another predictable outcome. I've not seen the latest data, perhaps OP could confirm that all is much as predicted and as has been discussed here, for a few weeks. There is no data at all being released on any negative effects of the vaccine, the health board refused MPs access to this data, claiming such things is dispicable when the info is not available. Flu & covid vaccine have never stopped you getting Ill, nor passing it on, they only prevent YOU from getting seriously ill. This is why vaccine passports are useless for anything other than control over masses & coercion into medical trials...that door is wide open now. Test at mass events I get, not medical passports" Side effects are easily available by search. So are side effects of the virus. You may get some by being vaccinated. You may get some by not being vaccinated. You are much more likely to get serious side effects from the virus infection, than from vaccine injection. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Lmfao  | |||
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" Most medical issues are underlying deficiencies or due to life style, genes play a minor part" based on what credible evidence? That's garbage. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal" They won't listen. Not enough brain cells... | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal They won't listen. Not enough brain cells..." Who is they? | |||
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"Another thread trying to push a conspiracy theory? *sigh*" Or quote what the data is, it is out there if you look for it. | |||
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"Funny cos I don't see any studies on natural immunity at all ( you know the intern system we all have that is what they copied to make vaccines in the first place) We had it in our house in feb 2020, therefore one of first to be exposed(direct China links), our lives carried on as normal at that point cos there was no lockdowns then. Only 1 of house took ill, was flat on his back with sweats etc all week & largely confined to bed for that reason, that same person got a job cleaning places after + covid cases were confirmed...he has never been ill again since. None of the rest of us got seriously ill, (sinuses mostly) & never have since despite having many people around us have (test trace contacts)... Now we are a largely medically healthy family, we eat in moderation (very little junk or takeaways) & exercise just by living active lives (no gyms) & stretch often. I only believe in antibiotics when actually required, pain killers are rarely taken, don't antibac surfaces because small exposure build immunity... Most medical issues are underlying deficiencies or due to life style, genes play a minor part" Why? Why do people completely miss the point? Or worse yet, make shit up which proves they know very little. Correct, it has a myriad of symptoms. Ranging from none, to mild, to having to have lung transplants, to 18 year olds having heart attacks, to people attached to ventilators. Even if you don’t have symptoms you can still go on to develop long Covid and be knocked off your feet for a year. Fact is, you don’t know how it will effect people. Nor do you know who they may pass it on to. Nor do we know if the virus may mutate in said person creating a much more virulent, deadly strain. So, basically being unvaxxed is just being a selfish git. Well, that and stupid. But sure, get your stretches in. I hear Yoga is the best way to treat Covid. That or injecting bleach. Or sunlight. | |||
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"Another thread trying to push a conspiracy theory? *sigh* Or quote what the data is, it is out there if you look for it. " This thread is plainly trying to push the conspiracy theory that you're more likely to get Covid if you've been vaccinated. I simply pointed that out. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal They won't listen. Not enough brain cells... Who is they?" The people Cal was aiming his comment at?!? Jeez, it's difficult here... | |||
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" Test at mass events I get, not medical passports" The way I see it is if the double vaxxed are safer than the unvaxxed when it comes to hospitalisation and death then the passport is aimed at protecting the unvaxxed by not attending mass events. If they are allowed in by testing that means they can't pass covid to others but could still easily catch it with all the potential consequences that brings for them. | |||
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"Don’t belittle people, including me" Don't tell me what I can and can't do... | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal"  | |||
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive.
I did actually giggle when I read that...I know I shouldn't have really.
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" Most medical issues are underlying deficiencies or due to life style, genes play a minor part based on what credible evidence? That's garbage." FFS just look out your window there is no way the nation got this overweight or unhealthy on genes...this has been though bad lifestyle choices not your genes, being overweight also makes you Ill in many ways as does being underweight. Health starts with what you put in your body...having the 'fat' gene, 'cancer' gene etc only mean it's more likely to happen to you & your lifestyle is more of a determination of that than the gene itself. To try blame it all on genes is 1.studid & 2.reckless because it makes people believe there is no choice & no chance to change. whilst that may be true of some illnesses it is not true for the masses, the ones truly affected by genes are the minority. | |||
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks... "I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results | |||
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" Test at mass events I get, not medical passports The way I see it is if the double vaxxed are safer than the unvaxxed when it comes to hospitalisation and death then the passport is aimed at protecting the unvaxxed by not attending mass events. If they are allowed in by testing that means they can't pass covid to others but could still easily catch it with all the potential consequences that brings for them." Oh my days!! The vaccine does not stop anyone from being ill nor pass it on....therefore your description above of why is nothing but cobblers to make all those who have participated in these medical trials think they are better than another human just on that basis alone....bullshit! They are totally exempting people who aren't vax'd & could take a test to prove non infectious (again shouldn't have to in the first place, businesses forcing Ill folk into work regardless of consequences prior to this has a large blame panel) This is discrimination to create a 2teir society & has open Pandora's box on body autonomy, this is just the start. If you cannot decide over what medical treatments you can have our of fear of societal exclusions then it is no longer choice but coercive force (Society exclusion & isolation are the worse punishment to the human psyche & directly links to overall health because we are social beings) | |||
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results "The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now. | |||
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" Test at mass events I get, not medical passports The way I see it is if the double vaxxed are safer than the unvaxxed when it comes to hospitalisation and death then the passport is aimed at protecting the unvaxxed by not attending mass events. If they are allowed in by testing that means they can't pass covid to others but could still easily catch it with all the potential consequences that brings for them. Oh my days!! The vaccine does not stop anyone from being ill nor pass it on....therefore your description above of why is nothing but cobblers to make all those who have participated in these medical trials think they are better than another human just on that basis alone....bullshit! They are totally exempting people who aren't vax'd & could take a test to prove non infectious (again shouldn't have to in the first place, businesses forcing Ill folk into work regardless of consequences prior to this has a large blame panel) This is discrimination to create a 2teir society & has open Pandora's box on body autonomy, this is just the start. If you cannot decide over what medical treatments you can have our of fear of societal exclusions then it is no longer choice but coercive force (Society exclusion & isolation are the worse punishment to the human psyche & directly links to overall health because we are social beings) " All I said is that it would protect the unvaccinated so I agree anyone can still catch it and pass it on...thats my point. As I understand it there's no exclusion as people can still take a test if preferred but I haven't been to a mass event yes so this could be wrong. In swinger circles chameleons wants double vaxxed or negative test for admission so no exclusion but this does mean the people with a negative test are the most at risk. | |||
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results
The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now. "I think we all know how to find the data. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there are more cases than the were. What you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that: The delta variant is far more transmissble than whatever was going around last year. That's going to mean more cases...Without the vaccine, many times more. There were significnt restrictions still in place last year. Masks, no sporting events with spectators, most entertainment venues closed. We're actually allowing the virus to spread now but keeping an eye on the cases, hospitalisations and deaths. Last time cases were as high as they are now (20 Jan 2021), 4,000 people were in ICU in the UK. There are 1,000 people in ICU now. There were 38k people in Hospital compared to 8k now. It really isn't difficult to understand why we shouldn't be comparing now to then... | |||
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results
The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now.
I think we all know how to find the data. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there are more cases than the were.
What you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that:
The delta variant is far more transmissble than whatever was going around last year. That's going to mean more cases...Without the vaccine, many times more.
There were significnt restrictions still in place last year. Masks, no sporting events with spectators, most entertainment venues closed. We're actually allowing the virus to spread now but keeping an eye on the cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
Last time cases were as high as they are now (20 Jan 2021), 4,000 people were in ICU in the UK. There are 1,000 people in ICU now. There were 38k people in Hospital compared to 8k now.
It really isn't difficult to understand why we shouldn't be comparing now to then...
"Ah the dreaded delta vairient, you do know that cases and deaths have gone right down in India, not many wearing masks there and the deaths per million were always a lot lower than most other countries. Its basically that they have about a seventh of the world's population that they were able to skew the numbers, so as to up the fear for when they rolled out the vaccines here. If yous all want to keep counting everything, I suggest yous keep an eye on the deaths per million. | |||
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"Another thread trying to push a conspiracy theory? *sigh* Or quote what the data is, it is out there if you look for it. This thread is plainly trying to push the conspiracy theory that you're more likely to get Covid if you've been vaccinated. I simply pointed that out." Whatever your thoughts of why you think the OP started the thread, the data is still out there, he isn't saying anything that isn't true. what people make of the data is up to them but we shouldn't keep attacking people. | |||
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"Don’t belittle people, including me Don't tell me what I can and can't do..." Ok I will then, please be civil when posting, it is a requirement of the forum | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Yeah, it's like pointing out that more people we test - more test positive. Common sense... | |||
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"Another thread trying to push a conspiracy theory? *sigh* Or quote what the data is, it is out there if you look for it. This thread is plainly trying to push the conspiracy theory that you're more likely to get Covid if you've been vaccinated. I simply pointed that out. Whatever your thoughts of why you think the OP started the thread, the data is still out there, he isn't saying anything that isn't true. what people make of the data is up to them but we shouldn't keep attacking people." exactly, the data is out there. Instead of arguing who's right and who's wrong we should be coming together to see the bigger picture here and compare and investigate. this divisiveness is getting out of hand. | |||
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results
The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now.
I think we all know how to find the data. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there are more cases than the were.
What you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that:
The delta variant is far more transmissble than whatever was going around last year. That's going to mean more cases...Without the vaccine, many times more.
There were significnt restrictions still in place last year. Masks, no sporting events with spectators, most entertainment venues closed. We're actually allowing the virus to spread now but keeping an eye on the cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
Last time cases were as high as they are now (20 Jan 2021), 4,000 people were in ICU in the UK. There are 1,000 people in ICU now. There were 38k people in Hospital compared to 8k now.
It really isn't difficult to understand why we shouldn't be comparing now to then...
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive. "I love this  | |||
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive.
I love this "I think what you're trying to say is that whatever happens the death rate remains stubbornly the same at one per person. | |||
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive. "Oh shit, are you sure. What's your source or is it sauce, mine's ketchup. Getting confused now, time to leave the virus thread. All getting too silly, everything already said only repeats showing. Time to get back to normal and get some swinging done, isn't that what we've all been waiting for. | |||
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"The majority of this age group are vaccinated, so it is a reasonable expectation that the majority of infections within it will have been vaccinated. Thankfully, the incredibly safe and effective vaccines are also preventing very serious illness and deaths, as another predictable outcome. I've not seen the latest data, perhaps OP could confirm that all is much as predicted and as has been discussed here, for a few weeks. " Well said | |||
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"Another thread trying to push a conspiracy theory? *sigh* Or quote what the data is, it is out there if you look for it. " But if you are only specifically quoting data that suits your narrative that is not showing the entire picture… PHE quote infection rates…. They also quote hospitalisation rates as well for those that are vaccinated and unvaccinated in the same report…. So either the OP didn’t read the entire report to give them the benefit of the doubt, or deliberately cherrypicked to mislead people to suit a narrative…. So 18 months in…. I think people have gotten to the stage where benefit of the doubt is wearing pretty thin…. | |||
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" The majority of this age group are vaccinated, so it is a reasonable expectation that the majority of infections within it will have been vaccinated. Thankfully, the incredibly safe and effective vaccines are also preventing very serious illness and deaths, as another predictable outcome. I've not seen the latest data, perhaps OP could confirm that all is much as predicted and as has been discussed here, for a few weeks. " Exactly this. It's hard to find anybody in the at most risk cohort who haven't been vaccinated, so hardly surprising they are in the majority. It would be pretty hard to find people in the most at risk groups unvaccinated, so naturally, mostly vaccinated people are going to be those dying or getting seriously ill. The vaccination doesn't prevent covid, but protects most people who would catch it and otherwise die or get seriously ill; but not everybody. It doesn't stop ALL deaths or ALL serious illness, but it works. I find it amazing that people are surprised that vaccinated people are getting ill and dying since just about everybody has been jabbed. It would be hard to find unjabbed people in the most at risk group! | |||
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results
The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now.
I think we all know how to find the data. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there are more cases than the were.
What you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that:
The delta variant is far more transmissble than whatever was going around last year. That's going to mean more cases...Without the vaccine, many times more.
There were significnt restrictions still in place last year. Masks, no sporting events with spectators, most entertainment venues closed. We're actually allowing the virus to spread now but keeping an eye on the cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
Last time cases were as high as they are now (20 Jan 2021), 4,000 people were in ICU in the UK. There are 1,000 people in ICU now. There were 38k people in Hospital compared to 8k now.
It really isn't difficult to understand why we shouldn't be comparing now to then...
"You seem to overlook the seasonality aspect of respiratory viruses.. and thus trying to compare apples with oranges. We won't know how effective the vaccine is at preventing hospitalization until we get to compare last winter with this winter. And even then the variants are another confounding variable. | |||
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"So the anti vaxers. If no one had the vaccination how many would be dying each day. Anti vaxs please answer question don't avoid " Do they meet anyone on the road, it looks like one of those trick questions.  | |||
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"So the anti vaxers. If no one had the vaccination how many would be dying each day. Anti vaxs please answer question don't avoid " Just look at the figure from January , before many people were vaccinated, probably about 1500-2000 a day | |||
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results
The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now.
I think we all know how to find the data. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there are more cases than the were.
What you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that:
The delta variant is far more transmissble than whatever was going around last year. That's going to mean more cases...Without the vaccine, many times more.
There were significnt restrictions still in place last year. Masks, no sporting events with spectators, most entertainment venues closed. We're actually allowing the virus to spread now but keeping an eye on the cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
Last time cases were as high as they are now (20 Jan 2021), 4,000 people were in ICU in the UK. There are 1,000 people in ICU now. There were 38k people in Hospital compared to 8k now.
It really isn't difficult to understand why we shouldn't be comparing now to then...
Ah the dreaded delta vairient, you do know that cases and deaths have gone right down in India, not many wearing masks there and the deaths per million were always a lot lower than most other countries. Its basically that they have about a seventh of the world's population that they were able to skew the numbers, so as to up the fear for when they rolled out the vaccines here.
If yous all want to keep counting everything, I suggest yous keep an eye on the deaths per million. "India skewed the numbers because of the vaccine rollout here?! 2/3rds on the population of India have antibodies and only 10% vaccinated. Hardly a surprise that cases have dropped when some restrictions remain especially in areas like Kerala where cases are rising. Schools have been closed since the outbreak in April and are just starting to go back but many with reduced class sizes. A country the size of India won't have a really high deaths per 100k. This is simply because areas of the country will get impacted in different ways. Some hit hard and some not so and therefore average out. Look at the EU countries. A large total population but some countries have been hit much harder than others. UK has almost twice the deaths per 100k than Germany despite being of similar size (84m vs 68m). | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal" Yes but it's not cases its cases per 100k. And cases per 100k are higher for people who are double jabbed than if they were unvaccinated in all age groups above 40. Up to age 80+ when it flips back the other way again. Similarly up to age 40 those with double jabs have lower infections per 100k than those who are unvaccinated. You can find the latest pdf report for covid vaccine surveillance here. What it also shows is the effect of the vaccine on deaths... Where there is great evidence of how effective the vaxes are..by age groups. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf | |||
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"Another thread trying to push a conspiracy theory? *sigh* Or quote what the data is, it is out there if you look for it. But if you are only specifically quoting data that suits your narrative that is not showing the entire picture… PHE quote infection rates…. They also quote hospitalisation rates as well for those that are vaccinated and unvaccinated in the same report…. So either the OP didn’t read the entire report to give them the benefit of the doubt, or deliberately cherrypicked to mislead people to suit a narrative…. So 18 months in…. I think people have gotten to the stage where benefit of the doubt is wearing pretty thin…. " It must suit Pestons narrative too https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-11/peston-covid-infections-higher-in-doubled-vaxxed-aged-40-79-than-for-non-vaxxed | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal Yes but it's not cases its cases per 100k. And cases per 100k are higher for people who are double jabbed than if they were unvaccinated in all age groups above 40. Up to age 80+ when it flips back the other way again. Similarly up to age 40 those with double jabs have lower infections per 100k than those who are unvaccinated. You can find the latest pdf report for covid vaccine surveillance here. What it also shows is the effect of the vaccine on deaths... Where there is great evidence of how effective the vaxes are..by age groups. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf Sadly it is correct, the number of double vases covid cases per 100,000 is higher than those not vaccinated by around 20% in those over 40. "This is interesting. Worth noting that deaths and hospitalisations are heavily towards unvaccinated. I wonder why the cases is so. My initial guess would be those who vaccinate also test and record tests more. The second is they can afford to take more risks. Maybe those who can't vaccinate for medical reasosn take more care. My guess is more the former than the latter. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal Yes but it's not cases its cases per 100k. And cases per 100k are higher for people who are double jabbed than if they were unvaccinated in all age groups above 40. Up to age 80+ when it flips back the other way again. Similarly up to age 40 those with double jabs have lower infections per 100k than those who are unvaccinated. You can find the latest pdf report for covid vaccine surveillance here. What it also shows is the effect of the vaccine on deaths... Where there is great evidence of how effective the vaxes are..by age groups. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf Sadly it is correct, the number of double vases covid cases per 100,000 is higher than those not vaccinated by around 20% in those over 40.
This is interesting.
Worth noting that deaths and hospitalisations are heavily towards unvaccinated.
I wonder why the cases is so. My initial guess would be those who vaccinate also test and record tests more.
The second is they can afford to take more risks. Maybe those who can't vaccinate for medical reasosn take more care.
My guess is more the former than the latter. "Would be interesting to know testing stats per 100,000 for vaxed and unvaxed. Can’t test positive if you don’t get tested and I expect few antivax get tested unless needing medical attention... comparison in the number of hospitalisations and deaths per 100,000 in each group is far more important | |||
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"Another thread trying to push a conspiracy theory? *sigh* Or quote what the data is, it is out there if you look for it. But if you are only specifically quoting data that suits your narrative that is not showing the entire picture… PHE quote infection rates…. They also quote hospitalisation rates as well for those that are vaccinated and unvaccinated in the same report…. So either the OP didn’t read the entire report to give them the benefit of the doubt, or deliberately cherrypicked to mislead people to suit a narrative…. So 18 months in…. I think people have gotten to the stage where benefit of the doubt is wearing pretty thin…. It must suit Pestons narrative too https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-11/peston-covid-infections-higher-in-doubled-vaxxed-aged-40-79-than-for-non-vaxxed Indeed. See source data here.. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf To be fair it also shows hospitalisations and deaths for all age groups and vax / unvax. And in all age groups the unvax are somewhere between 3 and 10 times more likely to have a hospital stay or death. The report looks at week 32 to 36. " And there it is . | |||
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive. ""100% of deaths happen to the alive!" would make a hell of a tabloid headline. | |||
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"Funny cos I don't see any studies on natural immunity at all ( you know the intern system we all have that is what they copied to make vaccines in the first place) We had it in our house in feb 2020, therefore one of first to be exposed(direct China links), our lives carried on as normal at that point cos there was no lockdowns then. Only 1 of house took ill, was flat on his back with sweats etc all week & largely confined to bed for that reason, that same person got a job cleaning places after + covid cases were confirmed...he has never been ill again since. None of the rest of us got seriously ill, (sinuses mostly) & never have since despite having many people around us have (test trace contacts)... Now we are a largely medically healthy family, we eat in moderation (very little junk or takeaways) & exercise just by living active lives (no gyms) & stretch often. I only believe in antibiotics when actually required, pain killers are rarely taken, don't antibac surfaces because small exposure build immunity... Most medical issues are underlying deficiencies or due to life style, genes play a minor part Why? Why do people completely miss the point? Or worse yet, make shit up which proves they know very little. Correct, it has a myriad of symptoms. Ranging from none, to mild, to having to have lung transplants, to 18 year olds having heart attacks, to people attached to ventilators. Even if you don’t have symptoms you can still go on to develop long Covid and be knocked off your feet for a year. Fact is, you don’t know how it will effect people. Nor do you know who they may pass it on to. Nor do we know if the virus may mutate in said person creating a much more virulent, deadly strain. So, basically being unvaxxed is just being a selfish git. Well, that and stupid. But sure, get your stretches in. I hear Yoga is the best way to treat Covid. That or injecting bleach. Or sunlight. " THANK YOU!! I got it last June. 34yrs old, and it almost killed me. Seriously. I was seriously ill for 9 weeks and I'm still struggling with the effects of long covid. Just because it didn't cause problems for them doesn't mean it hasn't caused and is still causing serious problems for many. Perhaps they should check out the NHS long covid website. It might open their eyes a bit! | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal" So clearly shows vaccines are not working | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal --- So clearly shows vaccines are not working" I think that people often misunderstand how a vaccine works. As a vaccine is basically a biochemical mechanism inside of the body, it actually requires that you become infected with the virus before it is able to do anything. Once inside your body the virus will trigger an immune response: If you have been vaccinated (or previously infected), then your body has already developed this response, otherwise it will need to create it from scratch... which can take quite some time. Unfortunately they are yet to invent virus repellent forcefields that prevent the virus from getting within three feet of you. Cal | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal --- So clearly shows vaccines are not working I think that people often misunderstand how a vaccine works. As a vaccine is basically a biochemical mechanism inside of the body, it actually requires that you become infected with the virus before it is able to do anything. Once inside your body the virus will trigger an immune response: If you have been vaccinated (or previously infected), then your body has already developed this response, otherwise it will need to create it from scratch... which can take quite some time. Unfortunately they are yet to invent virus repellent forcefields that prevent the virus from getting within three feet of you. Cal" Yep so many people do think it is some kind of magical shield. Some people clearly did not pay attention in biology class. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Which data? howtofkyourheadup.com "https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Which data? howtofkyourheadup.com
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf"Thank you, appreciated .... | |||
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"There is a expression "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing". Of course as has been said many times. The amount of people been vaccinated in the UK and around the world - of course many are going to get covid some will sadly die, but you stand more chance of becoming seriously i'll and dying of covid but hey ho. These people say that getting jabbed, is like Russian roulette with one live bullet in the chamber, thats true but the analogy also goes for not having the jab, is like playing Russian roulette with 3 live bullets in the chamber, not only tvat they are playing Russian roulette with other people’s lives. If vaccination is or not is like playing Russian roulette, id rather play with one live bullet in tbe chamber than 3 It is all about numbers "law of averages" more we mingle more infections will rise - covid is only one infection. Nobody thinks twice if they get a cold. If people don't want the the vaccine thats their choice but to try and convince others not to, that is criminal. I'm sure if they got covid they would want the NHS, deny another patient the care they actually needed just because they selfishness. But then again these peole do not care about anyone but them selves anyway. " | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Which data? howtofkyourheadup.com
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf"OK so I think they are looking at table 6, infections presenting to emergency care. And they have just used the total numbers for those age ranges Which I think come to Unvacinnated = 1440 One vaccine = 160 Two jabs = 2070 But as has always been said using total numbers is a mathematical error. You then have to look at the total population size in each category to work out the odds. Clearly with most people double jabbed if the jab was ineffective you would expect to see proportionally more people double jabbed infected.. E.g if 60% are double jabbed then 60% should be infected and presenting to emergency care. This is where the last 2 columns are key. In every age group your odds of turning up at emergency care are higher if unvacinnated. The measures are out of 100k people 40-49 Vaccinated (v) = 3.6 Unvacinnated (uv) = 29 50-59 V = 5.8 UV = 40.7 60-69 V = 10.1 UV = 60.3 70-79 V = 18.8 UV = 87.3 | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Which data? howtofkyourheadup.com
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OK so I think they are looking at table 6, infections presenting to emergency care.
And they have just used the total numbers for those age ranges
Which I think come to
Unvacinnated = 1440
One vaccine = 160
Two jabs = 2070
But as has always been said using total numbers is a mathematical error.
You then have to look at the total population size in each category to work out the odds.
Clearly with most people double jabbed if the jab was ineffective you would expect to see proportionally more people double jabbed infected..
E.g if 60% are double jabbed then 60% should be infected and presenting to emergency care.
This is where the last 2 columns are key.
In every age group your odds of turning up at emergency care are higher if unvacinnated. The measures are out of 100k people
40-49
Vaccinated (v) = 3.6
Unvacinnated (uv) = 29
50-59
V = 5.8
UV = 40.7
60-69
V = 10.1
UV = 60.3
70-79
V = 18.8
UV = 87.3
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Which data? howtofkyourheadup.com
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf
OK so I think they are looking at table 6, infections presenting to emergency care.
And they have just used the total numbers for those age ranges
Which I think come to
Unvacinnated = 1440
One vaccine = 160
Two jabs = 2070
But as has always been said using total numbers is a mathematical error.
You then have to look at the total population size in each category to work out the odds.
Clearly with most people double jabbed if the jab was ineffective you would expect to see proportionally more people double jabbed infected..
E.g if 60% are double jabbed then 60% should be infected and presenting to emergency care.
This is where the last 2 columns are key.
In every age group your odds of turning up at emergency care are higher if unvacinnated. The measures are out of 100k people
40-49
Vaccinated (v) = 3.6
Unvacinnated (uv) = 29
50-59
V = 5.8
UV = 40.7
60-69
V = 10.1
UV = 60.3
70-79
V = 18.8
UV = 87.3
"…. But……. But …. But That basically tied up with the latest us CDC report figures The unvaccinated are: A)5 times more likely to catch covid than someone who is vaccinated B)10 times more likely to end up in hospital with covid than a vaccinated person C)12 times more likely to die from covid than an unvaccinated person….. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Which data? howtofkyourheadup.com
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf
OK so I think they are looking at table 6, infections presenting to emergency care.
And they have just used the total numbers for those age ranges
Which I think come to
Unvacinnated = 1440
One vaccine = 160
Two jabs = 2070
But as has always been said using total numbers is a mathematical error.
You then have to look at the total population size in each category to work out the odds.
Clearly with most people double jabbed if the jab was ineffective you would expect to see proportionally more people double jabbed infected..
E.g if 60% are double jabbed then 60% should be infected and presenting to emergency care.
This is where the last 2 columns are key.
In every age group your odds of turning up at emergency care are higher if unvacinnated. The measures are out of 100k people
40-49
Vaccinated (v) = 3.6
Unvacinnated (uv) = 29
50-59
V = 5.8
UV = 40.7
60-69
V = 10.1
UV = 60.3
70-79
V = 18.8
UV = 87.3
…. But……. But …. But
That basically tied up with the latest us CDC report figures
The unvaccinated are:
A)5 times more likely to catch covid than someone who is vaccinated
B)10 times more likely to end up in hospital with covid than a vaccinated person
C)12 times more likely to die from covid than an vaccinated person….."
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results
The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now.
I think we all know how to find the data. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there are more cases than the were.
What you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that:
The delta variant is far more transmissble than whatever was going around last year. That's going to mean more cases...Without the vaccine, many times more.
There were significnt restrictions still in place last year. Masks, no sporting events with spectators, most entertainment venues closed. We're actually allowing the virus to spread now but keeping an eye on the cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
Last time cases were as high as they are now (20 Jan 2021), 4,000 people were in ICU in the UK. There are 1,000 people in ICU now. There were 38k people in Hospital compared to 8k now.
It really isn't difficult to understand why we shouldn't be comparing now to then...
Ah the dreaded delta vairient, you do know that cases and deaths have gone right down in India, not many wearing masks there and the deaths per million were always a lot lower than most other countries. Its basically that they have about a seventh of the world's population that they were able to skew the numbers, so as to up the fear for when they rolled out the vaccines here.
If yous all want to keep counting everything, I suggest yous keep an eye on the deaths per million.
India skewed the numbers because of the vaccine rollout here?!
2/3rds on the population of India have antibodies and only 10% vaccinated. Hardly a surprise that cases have dropped when some restrictions remain especially in areas like Kerala where cases are rising.
Schools have been closed since the outbreak in April and are just starting to go back but many with reduced class sizes.
A country the size of India won't have a really high deaths per 100k. This is simply because areas of the country will get impacted in different ways. Some hit hard and some not so and therefore average out. Look at the EU countries. A large total population but some countries have been hit much harder than others. UK has almost twice the deaths per 100k than Germany despite being of similar size (84m vs 68m)."Also worth pointing out that the death figures in India are anything but accurate. There are vast numbers of street people in the cities that do not officially exist, they have no birth records, nobody counts their deaths. Out in the countryside there are entire villages that don't even have official names, nobody knows who lives there. There is no birth till death social system. Only the more privileged classes get hospital treatment, which has to be paid for. So anything like accurate figures are only available for some proportion of the population, any reports referring to the very poor will at best be guesses from small surveys that have been multiplied up. Remember that in the early days of the pandemic, international estimates of death figures for India and other countries with very poor areas were often only generated by looking for mass grave sites and funeral pyres on satellite pictures... | |||
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results
The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now.
I think we all know how to find the data. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there are more cases than the were.
What you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that:
The delta variant is far more transmissble than whatever was going around last year. That's going to mean more cases...Without the vaccine, many times more.
There were significnt restrictions still in place last year. Masks, no sporting events with spectators, most entertainment venues closed. We're actually allowing the virus to spread now but keeping an eye on the cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
Last time cases were as high as they are now (20 Jan 2021), 4,000 people were in ICU in the UK. There are 1,000 people in ICU now. There were 38k people in Hospital compared to 8k now.
It really isn't difficult to understand why we shouldn't be comparing now to then...
Ah the dreaded delta vairient, you do know that cases and deaths have gone right down in India, not many wearing masks there and the deaths per million were always a lot lower than most other countries. Its basically that they have about a seventh of the world's population that they were able to skew the numbers, so as to up the fear for when they rolled out the vaccines here.
If yous all want to keep counting everything, I suggest yous keep an eye on the deaths per million.
India skewed the numbers because of the vaccine rollout here?!
2/3rds on the population of India have antibodies and only 10% vaccinated. Hardly a surprise that cases have dropped when some restrictions remain especially in areas like Kerala where cases are rising.
Schools have been closed since the outbreak in April and are just starting to go back but many with reduced class sizes.
A country the size of India won't have a really high deaths per 100k. This is simply because areas of the country will get impacted in different ways. Some hit hard and some not so and therefore average out. Look at the EU countries. A large total population but some countries have been hit much harder than others. UK has almost twice the deaths per 100k than Germany despite being of similar size (84m vs 68m).
Also worth pointing out that the death figures in India are anything but accurate. There are vast numbers of street people in the cities that do not officially exist, they have no birth records, nobody counts their deaths. Out in the countryside there are entire villages that don't even have official names, nobody knows who lives there. There is no birth till death social system. Only the more privileged classes get hospital treatment, which has to be paid for. So anything like accurate figures are only available for some proportion of the population, any reports referring to the very poor will at best be guesses from small surveys that have been multiplied up.
Remember that in the early days of the pandemic, international estimates of death figures for India and other countries with very poor areas were often only generated by looking for mass grave sites and funeral pyres on satellite pictures..."All that too 
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"Cases and deaths are up multiples of this time last year, and yous all think we have a safe and effective vaccine. 2+2=5 kind of thinking there folks...
I think that's potentially what you may have done. But you've not detailed your results
The data is there for all to see if you just Google UK coronavirus, you can see the stats on cases and deaths for yourself. Just remember we didn't even have a vaccine this time last year and the numbers are multiples now.
I think we all know how to find the data. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there are more cases than the were.
What you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that:
The delta variant is far more transmissble than whatever was going around last year. That's going to mean more cases...Without the vaccine, many times more.
There were significnt restrictions still in place last year. Masks, no sporting events with spectators, most entertainment venues closed. We're actually allowing the virus to spread now but keeping an eye on the cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
Last time cases were as high as they are now (20 Jan 2021), 4,000 people were in ICU in the UK. There are 1,000 people in ICU now. There were 38k people in Hospital compared to 8k now.
It really isn't difficult to understand why we shouldn't be comparing now to then...
Ah the dreaded delta vairient, you do know that cases and deaths have gone right down in India, not many wearing masks there and the deaths per million were always a lot lower than most other countries. Its basically that they have about a seventh of the world's population that they were able to skew the numbers, so as to up the fear for when they rolled out the vaccines here.
If yous all want to keep counting everything, I suggest yous keep an eye on the deaths per million.
India skewed the numbers because of the vaccine rollout here?!
2/3rds on the population of India have antibodies and only 10% vaccinated. Hardly a surprise that cases have dropped when some restrictions remain especially in areas like Kerala where cases are rising.
Schools have been closed since the outbreak in April and are just starting to go back but many with reduced class sizes.
A country the size of India won't have a really high deaths per 100k. This is simply because areas of the country will get impacted in different ways. Some hit hard and some not so and therefore average out. Look at the EU countries. A large total population but some countries have been hit much harder than others. UK has almost twice the deaths per 100k than Germany despite being of similar size (84m vs 68m).
Also worth pointing out that the death figures in India are anything but accurate. There are vast numbers of street people in the cities that do not officially exist, they have no birth records, nobody counts their deaths. Out in the countryside there are entire villages that don't even have official names, nobody knows who lives there. There is no birth till death social system. Only the more privileged classes get hospital treatment, which has to be paid for. So anything like accurate figures are only available for some proportion of the population, any reports referring to the very poor will at best be guesses from small surveys that have been multiplied up.
Remember that in the early days of the pandemic, international estimates of death figures for India and other countries with very poor areas were often only generated by looking for mass grave sites and funeral pyres on satellite pictures..."And some how they are able to tell you that two thirds have the antibodies, how did they manage to count for the antibodies. Lol
I still can't get over how people beleive everything that they read in the Liberal media and take it as gospel. It's amazing what 10 years and the rise of social media has done. It ain't the first time this has happened, you only have to go to the last swine flu and one swine flu in 1976 to see similarities. Probably the big difference this time round is how they are counting deaths as in, Died with* Covid instead of, Died of* Covid.
https://nypost.com/2010/06/05/false-prophets-of-swine-flu-pandemic/
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal" That's a little to complicated for the dimwits out there. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Not read whole thread so someone may have already asked but... Are you talking about absolute numbers (ie x thousand have Covid) in which case, yes of course as the vast majority are vaccinated... OR Are you talking proportionately (ie x% of those vaccinated have covid vs y% of those unvaccinated)? It is proportionality that matters! | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal Yes but it's not cases its cases per 100k. And cases per 100k are higher for people who are double jabbed than if they were unvaccinated in all age groups above 40. Up to age 80+ when it flips back the other way again. Similarly up to age 40 those with double jabs have lower infections per 100k than those who are unvaccinated. You can find the latest pdf report for covid vaccine surveillance here. What it also shows is the effect of the vaccine on deaths... Where there is great evidence of how effective the vaxes are..by age groups. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf Sadly it is correct, the number of double vases covid cases per 100,000 is higher than those not vaccinated by around 20% in those over 40. "And I would argue there is a simple reason for this. Too many of the double vaxxed have dropped all other risk mitigations and are walking around and socialising as though they are indestructible! Many of the double vaxxed have become complacent. Just look at the dramatic increase in people playing again on fab! | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Do you realise: If 100% of people were vaccinated, then ALL new cases would be in people who are vaccinated... over 80% of over 40s have had their jabs. Cal Yes but it's not cases its cases per 100k. And cases per 100k are higher for people who are double jabbed than if they were unvaccinated in all age groups above 40. Up to age 80+ when it flips back the other way again. Similarly up to age 40 those with double jabs have lower infections per 100k than those who are unvaccinated. You can find the latest pdf report for covid vaccine surveillance here. What it also shows is the effect of the vaccine on deaths... Where there is great evidence of how effective the vaxes are..by age groups. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf Sadly it is correct, the number of double vases covid cases per 100,000 is higher than those not vaccinated by around 20% in those over 40.
And I would argue there is a simple reason for this. Too many of the double vaxxed have dropped all other risk mitigations and are walking around and socialising as though they are indestructible!
Many of the double vaxxed have become complacent. Just look at the dramatic increase in people playing again on fab! "The head of the statistics regulator has called it out as flawed" “Those numbers were misleading and wrong and we’ve made it very clear to UKHSA,” Norgrove said at an event organised by University College London. “I’m lost for words at the willingness to publish a table that led people to believe that, with a footnote that was too weak.” Estimates using ONS data has unvax at c 2k per 100k which is above vaxed. There are also other caveats for drawing conclusions. The surveillance report has them. | |||
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch ." are you saying the viruses don't kill? And do viruses have "wants"? | |||
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch ." Take that tin foil hat off and take a deep breath | |||
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch .are you saying the viruses don't kill? And do viruses have "wants"?" Everything has an evolutionary optimum, including plants. Conscious or otherwise. | |||
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"it is designed to kill and harm everyone and now their coming after the kids " Words fail me | |||
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch .are you saying the viruses don't kill? And do viruses have "wants"? Everything has an evolutionary optimum, including plants. Conscious or otherwise. " does it have it? Or is evolution an ongoing experiment to find it? With not all experiments being successful? I'm not a biologist... But I've not yet seen anything credible that suggests the virus isn't killing people. | |||
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We live with viruses all the time and most don’t even bother us too much but there’s always the exception.
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch .are you saying the viruses don't kill? And do viruses have "wants"? Everything has an evolutionary optimum, including plants. Conscious or otherwise. does it have it? Or is evolution an ongoing experiment to find it? With not all experiments being successful? I'm not a biologist... But I've not yet seen anything credible that suggests the virus isn't killing people. " Not saying it isn't killing people, but 'wants' is a suitable term for anything in my opinion. Check out 'the hidden life of trees'. | |||
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch ." I think THEY were trying to kill us I think they would have come up with a better virus/way of doing it than COVID 19 .
It’s not exactly killed millions world wide, unlike the Spanish Flu (20 million world wide); or the Black Death (estimated 20-50 million +…. A third of the population of Europe was wiped out) in comparison to 5 million from COVID.
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch . I think THEY were trying to kill us I think they would have come up with a better virus/way of doing it than COVID 19 .
It’s not exactly killed millions world wide, unlike the Spanish Flu (20 million world wide); or the Black Death (estimated 20-50 million +…. A third of the population of Europe was wiped out) in comparison to 5 million from COVID.
If THEY was going to create a virus to kill millions they would have reintroduced something like the plague or a super version of rabies ….. now that would scary "And we'd still moan about washing our hands and wearing a face covering. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Not this again, do we really need to keep going over the same thing with the same explanations as to why. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" The vaccination is not a suit of armour that prevents infection. When the infection enters the body the vaccine primed immune system imediately fights it and stops serious illness. So of course vaccinated people catch covid. | |||
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch ." Forum Bingo . Full house.
There's so much wrong with what you've posted, it sounds like a regurgitation of an antivax flyer. Just the vaccination point - YES! It is a vaccine and was fully tested, instead of having it drawn out over 10 years, it wss done efficiently and thoroughly, because the world had an emergency crisis. The rest of the Qanon type nonsense is just BS too. | |||
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"Funny cos I don't see any studies on natural immunity at all ( you know the intern system we all have that is what they copied to make vaccines in the first place) We had it in our house in feb 2020, therefore one of first to be exposed(direct China links), our lives carried on as normal at that point cos there was no lockdowns then. Only 1 of house took ill, was flat on his back with sweats etc all week & largely confined to bed for that reason, that same person got a job cleaning places after + covid cases were confirmed...he has never been ill again since. None of the rest of us got seriously ill, (sinuses mostly) & never have since despite having many people around us have (test trace contacts)... Now we are a largely medically healthy family, we eat in moderation (very little junk or takeaways) & exercise just by living active lives (no gyms) & stretch often. I only believe in antibiotics when actually required, pain killers are rarely taken, don't antibac surfaces because small exposure build immunity... Most medical issues are underlying deficiencies or due to life style, genes play a minor part Why? Why do people completely miss the point? Or worse yet, make shit up which proves they know very little. Correct, it has a myriad of symptoms. Ranging from none, to mild, to having to have lung transplants, to 18 year olds having heart attacks, to people attached to ventilators. Even if you don’t have symptoms you can still go on to develop long Covid and be knocked off your feet for a year. Fact is, you don’t know how it will effect people. Nor do you know who they may pass it on to. Nor do we know if the virus may mutate in said person creating a much more virulent, deadly strain. So, basically being unvaxxed is just being a selfish git. Well, that and stupid. But sure, get your stretches in. I hear Yoga is the best way to treat Covid. That or injecting bleach. Or sunlight. " I had covid November 2020 pre vaccination as work as a Nurse..still experiencing long covid symptoms..breathlessness..wheeze and cant do everything I did before. I see a lot of young pregnant people unvaxxed coming in baby being ok but then being ventilated as caught covid.. | |||
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"dont be fooled by them telling us about the delta virus how deadly it is ,a virus doesnt want to kill its host because it will kill itself,but the real killer is the so called vacciness how can it be called a vaccine if it is not tested properly which take up to 10lyrs.they are killing people they are harming people like blood clots heart problems ,male and female reproductive problems , pregnant women having problems immune system been destroyed over time ,we need to get the truth they are lying to us about everything,find out in rumble look for things find the truth not leftists media , governments we are under attack and its done a different way .new world order the great reset is trying to destroy us all.pls do reserch ." Damn right man!!! Well said!! You tell the lefty sheeple!! Can you help me? My MH nurse won't let me buy a protective foil hat. Do you know where I can get one? Ever since I was force vaccinate (being sectioned is no joke mate) I pick up Radio 2 on my teeth when I stand near to a radiator and hold the bars on the window. They will let me out one day once Enoch Powell returns to become our leader. | |||
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive. " Superb! | |||
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive. "Just like one in four car accidents involve alcohol. Must mean you are three times safer pissed than sober. | |||
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"Blah blah blah etc. 100% of deaths occur in those previously alive - therefore, you're much safer not being alive.
Superb! "Precisely why I avoid hospitals, far more people die in them than anywhere else | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" 90% of adults are double vaxxed Per capita double vaxxed are less likely to develop symptomatic covid | |||
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"the booster vaccines are going very slowly I now have an appointment for my 3rd jab but it is way over 6 months since my second jab. why go so slow when people are dyeing ? " i imagine its something to do with not having as many people doing the jabs,dont forget a lot of those foing the original jabs got trained to help with the roll out them same people are probably back at there old jobs now that furlough has ended,we had 2 vax centres in this town,now only have the smaller of the two | |||
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"the booster vaccines are going very slowly I now have an appointment for my 3rd jab but it is way over 6 months since my second jab. why go so slow when people are dyeing ? " The AZ vaccine isn't being used for the booster. Pfizer needs colder storage Temps. Maybe a reason. | |||
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"The majority of this age group are vaccinated, so it is a reasonable expectation that the majority of infections within it will have been vaccinated. Thankfully, the incredibly safe and effective vaccines are also preventing very serious illness and deaths, as another predictable outcome. I've not seen the latest data, perhaps OP could confirm that all is much as predicted and as has been discussed here, for a few weeks. There is no data at all being released on any negative effects of the vaccine, the health board refused MPs access to this data, claiming such things is dispicable when the info is not available. Flu & covid vaccine have never stopped you getting Ill, nor passing it on, they only prevent YOU from getting seriously ill. This is why vaccine passports are useless for anything other than control over masses & coercion into medical trials...that door is wide open now. Test at mass events I get, not medical passports" I wouldn't have a problem with a vaccine / medical passport, something like a credit card to swipe at arriving airports. I've had a vaccine card for many years, never an issue, show it at immigration on arrival. A little chipped card would do away with forms as I think Covid is here for a while. Would allow all governments to collect data on vaccinated folks travelling into their countries. I've never had an issue passing on my information as I suspect just about everything about me is already out there or very easily obtained. My job, my salary, my home, health, driving history, holidays, flights, family history etc etc, | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data 90% of adults are double vaxxed Per capita double vaxxed are less likely to develop symptomatic covid" We should remind all those that catch it they don't really have it because it's per capita | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data 90% of adults are double vaxxed Per capita double vaxxed are less likely to develop symptomatic covid We should remind all those that catch it they don't really have it because it's per capita " can strawmen catch Covid ? | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Only because they have got to the point when the booster is needed to further boost their immunity BBC news this evening. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data 90% of adults are double vaxxed Per capita double vaxxed are less likely to develop symptomatic covid We should remind all those that catch it they don't really have it because it's per capita " . Wrong fella. They have it because there isn’t a way to stop that happening. However, fewer people are seriously ill or dying. Pretty simple really. Try to pay attention . | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data 90% of adults are double vaxxed Per capita double vaxxed are less likely to develop symptomatic covid We should remind all those that catch it they don't really have it because it's per capita . Wrong fella. They have it because there isn’t a way to stop that happening. However, fewer people are seriously ill or dying. Pretty simple really. Try to pay attention ." Can I ask why you feel the need to word your response the way you did. "Try to pay attention". What's all that about, who announced that you or anyone else is the expert. Lots of people on here really do need to grow up and act their age, not their shoe size. | |||
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"the booster vaccines are going very slowly I now have an appointment for my 3rd jab but it is way over 6 months since my second jab. why go so slow when people are dyeing ? i imagine its something to do with not having as many people doing the jabs,dont forget a lot of those foing the original jabs got trained to help with the roll out them same people are probably back at there old jobs now that furlough has ended,we had 2 vax centres in this town,now only have the smaller of the two" Yes, fewer volunteers at the moment. I'd like to be able to volunteer every weekend but simply don't have time. I used a bunch of my annual leave to do vaccine shifts too but can't take leave at the moment. | |||
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"If you can catch the disease and pass it on afterwards, the jab is a treatment not a vaccine. In which case all efficacious treatments should be on the table. Ivermectin is cheap and works. " It's astounding that there is still this level of confusion around the basics. I mean, haven't we been swamped with covid information, vaccine information for the last year and nine months! | |||
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"If you can catch the disease and pass it on afterwards, the jab is a treatment not a vaccine. In which case all efficacious treatments should be on the table. Ivermectin is cheap and works. " are any vaccines 100pc? MMR isn't. And even if it is just a treatment, shouldn't it only be treatments with strong science behind it be on the table ? Or are you happy if the docs bring back leaches ? | |||
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"If you can catch the disease and pass it on afterwards, the jab is a treatment not a vaccine. In which case all efficacious treatments should be on the table. Ivermectin is cheap and works. are any vaccines 100pc? MMR isn't. And even if it is just a treatment, shouldn't it only be treatments with strong science behind it be on the table ? Or are you happy if the docs bring back leaches ?" The use of Leeches is tried and tested. Bring them back?, they are used in medicine still . P | |||
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"If you can catch the disease and pass it on afterwards, the jab is a treatment not a vaccine. In which case all efficacious treatments should be on the table. Ivermectin is cheap and works. It's astounding that there is still this level of confusion around the basics. I mean, haven't we been swamped with covid information, vaccine information for the last year and nine months! " The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of science education of the general population is actually woeful. | |||
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"If you can catch the disease and pass it on afterwards, the jab is a treatment not a vaccine. In which case all efficacious treatments should be on the table. Ivermectin is cheap and works. It's astounding that there is still this level of confusion around the basics. I mean, haven't we been swamped with covid information, vaccine information for the last year and nine months! The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of science education of the general population is actually woeful. " | |||
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" Like stating the sea is wet and salty ?? and amazing that so many scientists still have enough free time to come on here !!?? and even more amazing that 100% on here are doing so because of the wonders of Science but .... "The wonders of science are the reason we have a pandemic right now | |||
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"If you can catch the disease and pass it on afterwards, the jab is a treatment not a vaccine. In which case all efficacious treatments should be on the table. Ivermectin is cheap and works. It's astounding that there is still this level of confusion around the basics. I mean, haven't we been swamped with covid information, vaccine information for the last year and nine months! The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of science education of the general population is actually woeful. " True. And that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing Some of the conclusions and theories they people are coming up with are just sad. | |||
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"If you can catch the disease and pass it on afterwards, the jab is a treatment not a vaccine. In which case all efficacious treatments should be on the table. Ivermectin is cheap and works. " A vaccine is a form of treatment. Correct. Vaccines are not all 100 per cent effective. That does not mean they they are not still vaccines. They are. | |||
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"If you can catch the disease and pass it on afterwards, the jab is a treatment not a vaccine. In which case all efficacious treatments should be on the table. Ivermectin is cheap and works. " Ivermectin works as a deworming treatment does bot all for covid. | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful" I guess John Venn's teaching diagrams were a waste of time | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful" this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really " Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... " Quite | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... " Both sides think that about each other so it doesn't really mean very much. | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... Both sides think that about each other so it doesn't really mean very much. " It’s not a question of “sides”. Armed with the same information, people will reach a whole range of conclusions, and that is perfectly normal and natural. Some will reach conclusions that align with mine, some won’t, but I can see how they got there, and some are just daft. | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... Both sides think that about each other so it doesn't really mean very much. It’s not a question of “sides”. Armed with the same information, people will reach a whole range of conclusions, and that is perfectly normal and natural. Some will reach conclusions that align with mine, some won’t, but I can see how they got there, and some are just daft. " There are definitely sides and you're missing my point. We don't see the same information. There's basically one side that gets their information with virtually no filter and as a result it contains all the truth with some bullshit too. Then there's the other side that see such a heavily filtered view of the world they have absolutely no understanding of proportionality or probability. | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... Both sides think that about each other so it doesn't really mean very much. It’s not a question of “sides”. Armed with the same information, people will reach a whole range of conclusions, and that is perfectly normal and natural. Some will reach conclusions that align with mine, some won’t, but I can see how they got there, and some are just daft. There are definitely sides and you're missing my point. We don't see the same information. There's basically one side that gets their information with virtually no filter and as a result it contains all the truth with some bullshit too. Then there's the other side that see such a heavily filtered view of the world they have absolutely no understanding of proportionality or probability. " I suspect eveyone has heavy filters. We all live in a version of an echo chamber built by confirmation bias. And most ppl struggle with probabilities and balancing out different versions of reality that could be playing out. | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... Both sides think that about each other so it doesn't really mean very much. It’s not a question of “sides”. Armed with the same information, people will reach a whole range of conclusions, and that is perfectly normal and natural. Some will reach conclusions that align with mine, some won’t, but I can see how they got there, and some are just daft. There are definitely sides and you're missing my point. We don't see the same information. There's basically one side that gets their information with virtually no filter and as a result it contains all the truth with some bullshit too. Then there's the other side that see such a heavily filtered view of the world they have absolutely no understanding of proportionality or probability. I suspect eveyone has heavy filters. We all live in a version of an echo chamber built by confirmation bias. And most ppl struggle with probabilities and balancing out different versions of reality that could be playing out. " Very few people understand probability yes, but no we are not all in an echo chamber. I really don't like some of the stuff people in my team post. The main problem is that once you can see the government clearly lying in one area, then for some people that opens the floodgates and they see everything as a lie. The closest thing to an echo chamber would be CNN which is sponsored by Pfizer hence why they make themselves look foolish. | |||
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"There is no data at all being released on any negative effects of the vaccine, the health board refused MPs access to this data, claiming such things is dispicable when the info is not available. " Google is your friend, you will find UK Government Health data on negative effects of the vaccine. Check for the MHRA’s Yellow Card Reporting. Please don’t spread misinformation, the Pseudoscience and misinformation from Antivaxxers is bad enough already without adding to it. | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... Both sides think that about each other so it doesn't really mean very much. It’s not a question of “sides”. Armed with the same information, people will reach a whole range of conclusions, and that is perfectly normal and natural. Some will reach conclusions that align with mine, some won’t, but I can see how they got there, and some are just daft. There are definitely sides and you're missing my point. We don't see the same information. There's basically one side that gets their information with virtually no filter and as a result it contains all the truth with some bullshit too. Then there's the other side that see such a heavily filtered view of the world they have absolutely no understanding of proportionality or probability. " You are missing my point. Presented with the exact same information, people will reach different conclusions. Some of those conclusions are logical, some are not. | |||
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"There is no data at all being released on any negative effects of the vaccine, the health board refused MPs access to this data, claiming such things is dispicable when the info is not available. Google is your friend, you will find UK Government Health data on negative effects of the vaccine. Check for the MHRA’s Yellow Card Reporting. Please don’t spread misinformation, the Pseudoscience and misinformation from Antivaxxers is bad enough already without adding to it." | |||
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"There is no data at all being released on any negative effects of the vaccine, the health board refused MPs access to this data, claiming such things is dispicable when the info is not available. Google is your friend, you will find UK Government Health data on negative effects of the vaccine. Check for the MHRA’s Yellow Card Reporting. Please don’t spread misinformation, the Pseudoscience and misinformation from Antivaxxers is bad enough already without adding to it." Well put. Cheers Facts are out there, and they are much more solid than rumours. But some people prefer rumours. | |||
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"The past year and a bit has reminded me that the level of education of the general population is actually woeful this^^^^ I thought my education was lacking but have had a serious rethink since all this started and now don't think I done so bad really Me too. I know I am a very logical thinker, and sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that others probably think the same way, but some of the conclusions that people reach ... Both sides think that about each other so it doesn't really mean very much. It’s not a question of “sides”. Armed with the same information, people will reach a whole range of conclusions, and that is perfectly normal and natural. Some will reach conclusions that align with mine, some won’t, but I can see how they got there, and some are just daft. There are definitely sides and you're missing my point. We don't see the same information. There's basically one side that gets their information with virtually no filter and as a result it contains all the truth with some bullshit too. Then there's the other side that see such a heavily filtered view of the world they have absolutely no understanding of proportionality or probability. I suspect eveyone has heavy filters. We all live in a version of an echo chamber built by confirmation bias. And most ppl struggle with probabilities and balancing out different versions of reality that could be playing out. Very few people understand probability yes, but no we are not all in an echo chamber. I really don't like some of the stuff people in my team post. The main problem is that once you can see the government clearly lying in one area, then for some people that opens the floodgates and they see everything as a lie. The closest thing to an echo chamber would be CNN which is sponsored by Pfizer hence why they make themselves look foolish. " some echo chambers are better than others
But will admit that even in trying to keep abreast, i hadnt seen the u18 male data you shared. | |||
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" Very few people understand probability yes, but no we are not all in an echo chamber. I really don't like some of the stuff people in my team post. The main problem is that once you can see the government clearly lying in one area, then for some people that opens the floodgates and they see everything as a lie. The closest thing to an echo chamber would be CNN which is sponsored by Pfizer hence why they make themselves look foolish. some echo chambers are better than others
But will admit that even in trying to keep abreast, i hadnt seen the u18 male data you shared. "I appreciate your honesty. Now how about if I told you there was a woman who posted a YouTube video in September 2019 predicting an immanent worldwide flu pandemic which would be used to launch mandatory adult vaccinations. My point is that I bet you don't know who I'm talking about. Because nobody wants to interview her despite a startling prediction. I've not seen her on a single news channel or the video covered anywhere. PS: she worked it out because she absolutely hates trump and follows what he does closely. | |||
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" Very few people understand probability yes, but no we are not all in an echo chamber. I really don't like some of the stuff people in my team post. The main problem is that once you can see the government clearly lying in one area, then for some people that opens the floodgates and they see everything as a lie. The closest thing to an echo chamber would be CNN which is sponsored by Pfizer hence why they make themselves look foolish. some echo chambers are better than others
But will admit that even in trying to keep abreast, i hadnt seen the u18 male data you shared.
I appreciate your honesty. Now how about if I told you there was a woman who posted a YouTube video in September 2019 predicting an immanent worldwide flu pandemic which would be used to launch mandatory adult vaccinations. My point is that I bet you don't know who I'm talking about. Because nobody wants to interview her despite a startling prediction. I've not seen her on a single news channel or the video covered anywhere.
PS: she worked it out because she absolutely hates trump and follows what he does closely."She worked it out because she watches trump? Tromp was in complete denial about this and was pretty much anti-vax. But she “worked it out” from following the guy who suggested injecting bleach? | |||
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" Very few people understand probability yes, but no we are not all in an echo chamber. I really don't like some of the stuff people in my team post. The main problem is that once you can see the government clearly lying in one area, then for some people that opens the floodgates and they see everything as a lie. The closest thing to an echo chamber would be CNN which is sponsored by Pfizer hence why they make themselves look foolish. some echo chambers are better than others
But will admit that even in trying to keep abreast, i hadnt seen the u18 male data you shared.
I appreciate your honesty. Now how about if I told you there was a woman who posted a YouTube video in September 2019 predicting an immanent worldwide flu pandemic which would be used to launch mandatory adult vaccinations. My point is that I bet you don't know who I'm talking about. Because nobody wants to interview her despite a startling prediction. I've not seen her on a single news channel or the video covered anywhere.
PS: she worked it out because she absolutely hates trump and follows what he does closely.
She worked it out because she watches trump? Tromp was in complete denial about this and was pretty much anti-vax. But she “worked it out” from following the guy who suggested injecting bleach? "So no you don't know the person I'm talking about. Thanks for proving my point. | |||
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" Very few people understand probability yes, but no we are not all in an echo chamber. I really don't like some of the stuff people in my team post. The main problem is that once you can see the government clearly lying in one area, then for some people that opens the floodgates and they see everything as a lie. The closest thing to an echo chamber would be CNN which is sponsored by Pfizer hence why they make themselves look foolish. some echo chambers are better than others
But will admit that even in trying to keep abreast, i hadnt seen the u18 male data you shared.
I appreciate your honesty. Now how about if I told you there was a woman who posted a YouTube video in September 2019 predicting an immanent worldwide flu pandemic which would be used to launch mandatory adult vaccinations. My point is that I bet you don't know who I'm talking about. Because nobody wants to interview her despite a startling prediction. I've not seen her on a single news channel or the video covered anywhere.
PS: she worked it out because she absolutely hates trump and follows what he does closely.
She worked it out because she watches trump? Tromp was in complete denial about this and was pretty much anti-vax. But she “worked it out” from following the guy who suggested injecting bleach?
So no you don't know the person I'm talking about. Thanks for proving my point. "No I have no idea who you mean. And you have ducked my question. | |||
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" Very few people understand probability yes, but no we are not all in an echo chamber. I really don't like some of the stuff people in my team post. The main problem is that once you can see the government clearly lying in one area, then for some people that opens the floodgates and they see everything as a lie. The closest thing to an echo chamber would be CNN which is sponsored by Pfizer hence why they make themselves look foolish. some echo chambers are better than others
But will admit that even in trying to keep abreast, i hadnt seen the u18 male data you shared.
I appreciate your honesty. Now how about if I told you there was a woman who posted a YouTube video in September 2019 predicting an immanent worldwide flu pandemic which would be used to launch mandatory adult vaccinations. My point is that I bet you don't know who I'm talking about. Because nobody wants to interview her despite a startling prediction. I've not seen her on a single news channel or the video covered anywhere.
PS: she worked it out because she absolutely hates trump and follows what he does closely.
She worked it out because she watches trump? Tromp was in complete denial about this and was pretty much anti-vax. But she “worked it out” from following the guy who suggested injecting bleach?
So no you don't know the person I'm talking about. Thanks for proving my point.
No I have no idea who you mean. And you have ducked my question. "I'm trying not to embarrass you, it was a ridiculous question. I've made my point. We don't get the same information. You've made your point, that even when i give you the information you draw a completely different conclusion. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data" Hmmm, that will be because 90%+ in that aged group are vaccinated! And vaccinations stop serious disease, not infection. | |||
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"Infections higher among doubled vaxxed for those age 40 to 79 than for non-vaxxed - according to data Hmmm, that will be because 90%+ in that aged group are vaccinated! And vaccinations stop serious disease, not infection. " Yes exactly. You've said it right there. These vaccines don't stop infections. So why then is there so much passion and vitriol towards those who for whatever reason have not had a vaccine yet? It makes not one jot of difference to anyone else. People choose to have a jab because they believe it will offer a level of protection for a short while.. And that's their prerogative.and the evidence supports that in most age groups. But let's not delude ourselves that jabbing another 10 per cent of the population is going to have any significant impact on infections.. | |||
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