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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a lot of rumours about it. I think it came from China.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yup it was confirmed in Wuhan on 31st December 2019 that 3 people had it but they also had chronic pneumonia.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Yup it was confirmed in Wuhan on 31st December 2019 that 3 people had it but they also had chronic pneumonia."

Who knows but Italy believe it was in their country from September 2019

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yup it was confirmed in Wuhan on 31st December 2019 that 3 people had it but they also had chronic pneumonia.

Who knows but Italy believe it was in their country from September 2019 "

Really...now it's getting interesting... Thanks for that

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

My dad caught it in December 20189 after holiday in Lanzarote

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet"

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

my dad caught it in Lanzarote in 2019 if asking where it came from I strongly believe it was a attack from China to destabilise the western world

7 minutes ago

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Yup it was confirmed in Wuhan on 31st December 2019 that 3 people had it but they also had chronic pneumonia.

Who knows but Italy believe it was in their country from September 2019

Really...now it's getting interesting... Thanks for that"

Look up Italy virus date, you’ll find the info based on cancer sample studies Sept 19-March 20.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Yup it was confirmed in Wuhan on 31st December 2019 that 3 people had it but they also had chronic pneumonia."

Pneumonia can be triggered by many things and is regularly a symptom of Covid.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Zoonotic spillover

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Explain my dad then if you please

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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

Watch the pandemic special of South Park

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

I had I thought it was a great satirical look at life ie the CCP lie that it came from an animal when we all know it didn't

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

I still like that it escaped from a bio lab that was researching it

But I think it probably came from a animal a long time ago and has been evolving into the virus strain that was first detected, it could have been slowly ticking over in humans for absolutely ages until one roll of the dice provided a mutation that is slightly more dangerous to humans and essentially exposed it to the world, I believe there has been a study on historical blood samples taken to see if any covid-19 material can be found

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

Does anybody really know? Of course they don't

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Current thinking is China but where I work our office everybody apart from me caught what they thought was flu in Dec 2019/Jan 2020 but they continued to cough for months afterwards complaining that they just couldn't get rid of it.

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

I wish that was true yet I believe it was bio enginered between the sars virus the hiv virus and probably the mers virus to boot the whole system was created to stop me myself and I from seeing our nearest and dearest to completely destabilise one of our greatest tenants as a western community family

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Hearts and minds win wars create an enemy we can't fight cause disruption and we will do what ever our governments say

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Current thinking is China but where I work our office everybody apart from me caught what they thought was flu in Dec 2019/Jan 2020 but they continued to cough for months afterwards complaining that they just couldn't get rid of it."

This ^^^^^^^

Quote - "Where I work our office everybody apart from me caught what they thought was flu in Dec 2019 but they continued to cough for months afterwards complaining that they just couldn't get rid of it." Yes I defo believe people had it & didn't know it in 2019 before Covid was even recognised...this happened to 2 of my friends also in Dec '19 & to this day they day it was the longest & worst flu they ever had.

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne


"Current thinking is China but where I work our office everybody apart from me caught what they thought was flu in Dec 2019/Jan 2020 but they continued to cough for months afterwards complaining that they just couldn't get rid of it.

This ^^^^^^^

Quote - "Where I work our office everybody apart from me caught what they thought was flu in Dec 2019 but they continued to cough for months afterwards complaining that they just couldn't get rid of it." Yes I defo believe people had it & didn't know it in 2019 before Covid was even recognised...this happened to 2 of my friends also in Dec '19 & to this day they day it was the longest & worst flu they ever had.

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Interestingly enough not one of them has ever caught covid which statistically you would think unlikely especially as in a couple of cases members of their family did get it and they had to isolate in the same house as them.

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Again as I've said before my dad caught it in Lanzarote in 2019 and yes he did pass it into me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think it was leaked from China lab in error but I don't believe the date they said they first saw it,I think there was some "thinking " time....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Personally I think it was leaked from China lab in error but I don't believe the date they said they first saw it,I think there was some "thinking " time...."

^^^^^^^^ This I'm beginning to believe is true...Some say it was in Italy in Sept 2019...it's even on Wikipedia which is quite a reputable site

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

The CCP supresed all information coming out of China until they came up with the bullshit wet market in Wuhan story they ran

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve no idea where it came from because I’m no virus expert but the explanation it came from a Chinese market where someone ate a bat seems reasonable to me.

It would be hilarious if it came from Portugal or Spain, or somewhere like that though. There would be a huge amount of ‘I’m not racist but…’ folk who’d have to eat some humble pie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally I think it was leaked from China lab in error but I don't believe the date they said they first saw it,I think there was some "thinking " time....

^^^^^^^^ This I'm beginning to believe is true...Some say it was in Italy in Sept 2019...it's even on Wikipedia which is quite a reputable site "

I had a really bad cough in January 2020 that I could not shift nothing I had before. All better now thought

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

100 years time it will be blamed on the British because we have so many variants in the same way the Spanish were blamed for the Spanish flu yet there's no proof to cooabarate that cept for trade winds at the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Explain my dad then if you please"

Explain how you know that your dad had COVID

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Coughing his guts out when he came back could hardly breathe seeing any

similarities there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Coughing his guts out when he came back could hardly breathe seeing any

similarities there "

Doesn’t prove he had COVID,

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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville


"Coughing his guts out when he came back could hardly breathe seeing any

similarities there "

In fairness I'm like that with bronchitis. You would have needed an antibody test to know for sure.

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

There was no antibody test because according to the world it was only discovered in March 2020

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was no antibody test because according to the world it was only discovered in March 2020"

But according to you your dad had it in 2019 , I don’t think he did

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Zoonotic spillover"

Either occurring though contact in the wild or leaked from a lab researching such viruses.

Similar cross overs happen every single day and lab leaks occasionally but fortunately most don’t become a pandemic

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I don't think we are ever going to know the full and honest truth.

Even if it was caused by a lab leak what are other countries realistically gonna do about it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think we are ever going to know the full and honest truth.

Even if it was caused by a lab leak what are other countries realistically gonna do about it?"

True and there always be plenty of conspiracy theories to muddy the waters,

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By *ffanotdykeCouple
over a year ago

Telford

There are so many "experts" on this and other social forums who claim to "know" the exact details of where Covid originated. Add to that all the conspiracy theories pushed out by the anti-goverment press and these "experts" are falling over themselves to push out the latest ideas which they "know" to be a fact!

I don't claim to know the ABSOLUTE truth but I believe, backed by my understanding of the science that the laboratory in Wuhan was possibly investigating this virus which was evolving in chickens and the human variant. Due to ineffective controls it escaped into the human population.

Because human life in parts of China is valued far less than in the UK the initial deaths were not seen as significant. Add to this typical Chinese government secrecy and within weeks the situation was out of control. Dial in a further 9 months before the various vaccines became available and we had a world wide situation which was out of control. I believe, here in the UK, we have got it substantially under control but all it needs is a fresh variant to break out and we are back to square one.

We have been "double jabbed" and as a result feel slightly more relaxed but we will still wear our masks, wash our hands and keep our distance from strangers.

G&A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

5 years ago I caught a virus that lasted 4 months. The symptoms. Severe cough for most of that time couldnt lay down. My head nearly exploded because of it. Sore throat that wouldn't go away. After 2 months I lost my taste and smell which really hasn't returned . I had 3 visits to the doctor who would not prescribe antibiotics as they wnt for a viral infection. This started November and lasted till February. Eventually I got treatment but I swear then it was the same as COVID but who knows.

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

[Removed by poster at 07/09/21 08:14:10]

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

In response to the person up top think what you want I know what I know baa baa

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In response to the person up top think what you want I know what I know baa baa"

Baa baa?

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By *anPsurreycoupleCouple
over a year ago

Surrey

I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It came from the Wuhan institute of virology who Anthony Fauci payed (with tax payers money) to research gain of function on bat viruses.

This means adapting them to infect humans. This all came out when he was questioned in hearings by senator Rand Paul.

That it escaped by accident is the only remaining pretence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It came from the Wuhan institute of virology who Anthony Fauci payed (with tax payers money) to research gain of function on bat viruses.

This means adapting them to infect humans. This all came out when he was questioned in hearings by senator Rand Paul.

That it escaped by accident is the only remaining pretence. "

Cool story, bro.

Didn’t happen though.

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By *ocusMan
over a year ago

Cambridge


"my dad caught it in Lanzarote in 2019 if asking where it came from I strongly believe it was a attack from China to destabilise the western world

7 minutes ago "

But it fucked their country too…

Remember? All the tin foil hatters were saying China was lying about the numbers? That there were many, many more affected than they were letting on?

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

We think it originated here in south somerset my wife had it two years before anyone else, not sure how she caught it but we do have bats in the loft don't think we tried eating them. It has not been medically confirmed though this is her opinion.

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By *ocusMan
over a year ago

Cambridge


"It came from the Wuhan institute of virology who Anthony Fauci payed (with tax payers money) to research gain of function on bat viruses.

This means adapting them to infect humans. This all came out when he was questioned in hearings by senator Rand Paul.

That it escaped by accident is the only remaining pretence. "

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-pauls-doctor-credentials-questioned-for-lacking-top-boards-certification

Rand Paul Is an ophthalmologist who basically certified himself. He is not recognised as a doctor by any accepted standards apart from the ones he made up.

His Fauci claims have been disproven.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fact-check-did-dr-fauci-fund-research-that-created-covid-19/ar-BB1dxmhg

Rand Paul is a bloviating hack who constantly tries to make a name for himself.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire


"We think it originated here in south somerset my wife had it two years before anyone else, not sure how she caught it but we do have bats in the loft don't think we tried eating them. It has not been medically confirmed though this is her opinion."

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By *ocusMan
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We think it originated here in south somerset my wife had it two years before anyone else, not sure how she caught it but we do have bats in the loft don't think we tried eating them. It has not been medically confirmed though this is her opinion."

Novel coronaviruses are present all across the world and in many different species. The strain in question was identified in 2019 (hence COronaVIrus Disesase-19…and not “certificate of vaccination ID” that some…people…have claimed). The Covid-19 strain was virulent and highly transmissible to and between humans, that’s what is so dangerous about it. There are other strains. My bro-in-law’s gf got one after visiting Vietnam in 2018 but it wasn’t as virulent or transmissible hence no one was that bothered.

It’s not unusual for labs to investigate “gain of function”. If a strange,novel virus crops up samples are routinely sent to labs across the world to investigate GOF to see how of a threat they are to us. They are investigated to see how easy or likely it is the virus might mutate into a form that is virulent and transmissible.

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Fantastic it's the noise a sheep makes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bats!

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Apparently it came from England because many on fab claim to have had it months before the outbreak in China

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By *ocusMan
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Hearts and minds win wars create an enemy we can't fight cause disruption and we will do what ever our governments say "

So…it was created as a weapon to destabilise us AND As a way for our own government to control us? Both? At the same time?

You can’t have it both ways (not something you hear often on this site)

BTW If it was used by the gov to control us why were they so reluctant to enforce lockdowns and so eager to lift them? Why did they downplay it so much? Why was Johnson boasting of shaking hands with people?

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By *ocusMan
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Fantastic it's the noise a sheep makes"

Now you’re just being insulting.

Where does your info come from? That’s right, you found it on the internet and fell for it hook, line and sinker without any evidence to back it up apart from weird rumours. Where did you hear it from? Alex Jones? Joe Rogan? David Icke? Are there lizard people after you? Is Harry Potter a ploy to get kids worshipping the devil?

For someone calling others sheep you seemed to have swallowed all sorts of crap and believed it blindly without any fact-checking.

Are you one of those people that think that vaccinated people, “shed DNA” and “infect” others with vaccinated dna?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fantastic it's the noise a sheep makes"

So your a sheep ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It came from the Wuhan institute of virology who Anthony Fauci payed (with tax payers money) to research gain of function on bat viruses.

This means adapting them to infect humans. This all came out when he was questioned in hearings by senator Rand Paul.

That it escaped by accident is the only remaining pretence. "

PMSL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE"

Why did you drink Whiskey

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"It came from the Wuhan institute of virology who Anthony Fauci payed (with tax payers money) to research gain of function on bat viruses.

This means adapting them to infect humans. This all came out when he was questioned in hearings by senator Rand Paul.

That it escaped by accident is the only remaining pretence.

PMSL "

Someone was able to figure that out all by themselves but can't spell "paid" ... Hmmm

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By *8_manMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

No you are believing the lies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No you are believing the lies"

What lies?

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced "

Me and my daughter believe we had it in December 2019 as well. People were being treated for pneumonia before the virus was announced. When I coughed I felt as if I couldn’t get any air. There’s a lot we’ve not been told.

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By *ister-mischiefMan
over a year ago

Trafford


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced "

I think I had it Dec 2019 I was in bed for a week, chesty cough, aching all over, I couldn't even open my eyes for 4 days. I've never felt that bad before. Mrs M relocated to the front room for a week.

My friend suffered the same symptoms early January 2020.

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By *ocusMan
over a year ago

Cambridge


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced

I think I had it Dec 2019 I was in bed for a week, chesty cough, aching all over, I couldn't even open my eyes for 4 days. I've never felt that bad before. Mrs M relocated to the front room for a week.

My friend suffered the same symptoms early January 2020. "

There was a particularly bad cold/flu virus going around during winter’19. Two friends had it and were bed-ridden for a week, felt better then got worse again before finally clearing it. When Covid antibody tests became available they each took one thinking they’d show as positive but they didn’t.

I had a really bad cold (fine one day, able to move the next) February ‘20 that at one point I assumed was covid but my antibody tests also came back negative. I’m not downplaying anyone’s experiences but not everything is covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE

Why did you drink Whiskey "

Why not?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE"

^^^^^^^

Quote - "I believe it was in the UK before December 19."

I think so too. Defo in UK & Ireland before December 2019...The Chinese delayed in declaring it. It was over there too way before December `19.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

Definitely the lizard people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No you are believing the lies

What lies? "

Which?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE

Why did you drink Whiskey

Why not?"

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By *ocusMan
over a year ago

Cambridge


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced

Me and my daughter believe we had it in December 2019 as well. People were being treated for pneumonia before the virus was announced. When I coughed I felt as if I couldn’t get any air. There’s a lot we’ve not been told. "

I don’t think anyone’s denying it was around before Dec 2019. That official date and the location are just the formal declaration and recognisation of this particular strain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Definitely the lizard people "

Could be, I watched Batman in 2018 whilst drinking loads of shots of vodka, then the next morning felt awful, headache, aching all over, couldn’t get out of bed, COVID?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No you are believing the lies

What lies?

Which?"

What?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Hearts and minds win wars create an enemy we can't fight cause disruption and we will do what ever our governments say

So…it was created as a weapon to destabilise us AND As a way for our own government to control us? Both? At the same time?

You can’t have it both ways (not something you hear often on this site)

BTW If it was used by the gov to control us why were they so reluctant to enforce lockdowns and so eager to lift them? Why did they downplay it so much? Why was Johnson boasting of shaking hands with people?

"

And why, when this govt and our civil services can't get the simplest of things right, like controlling who enters and leaves our country as an example... Do you think they could coordinate this with 190 countries across the world...when 189 of them wouldnt piss on us if we were on fire?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No you are believing the lies

What lies?

Which?

What? "

Is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No you are believing the lies

What lies?

Which?

What?

Is it?"

What? Is in ‘what are you on about ‘ ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No you are believing the lies

What lies?

Which?

What?

Is it?

What? Is in ‘what are you on about ‘ ? "

Really?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No you are believing the lies

What lies?

Which?

What?

Is it?

What? Is in ‘what are you on about ‘ ?

Really?"

What ?

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over a year ago


"No you are believing the lies

What lies?

Which?

What?

Is it?

What? Is in ‘what are you on about ‘ ?

Really?

What ? "

Correct

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By *anPsurreycoupleCouple
over a year ago

Surrey


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE

Why did you drink Whiskey "

Because I enjoy whiskey

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

With hundreds of potential virus threats existing in animal species that we know of, the common sense probability is that it crossed over to humans, partly spurred on by our massive disruption to and lack of respect, for the natural world. We're fortunate that worse hasn't happened before now.

We know that there are risks but seemingly don't care enough. We could invest tons of energy into trying to find out but are better to invest in greater protection for all of the life that we share the planet with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE

Why did you drink Whiskey

Because I enjoy whiskey "

Fair play, I enjoy it myself , I have never tried it as a COVID test before but it has to be better than sticking cotton buds up your nose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally I think it was leaked from China lab in error but I don't believe the date they said they first saw it,I think there was some "thinking " time....

^^^^^^^^ This I'm beginning to believe is true...Some say it was in Italy in Sept 2019...it's even on Wikipedia which is quite a reputable site "

Wiki is not a reputable site. Literally anyone can edit a wiki post..

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By *anPsurreycoupleCouple
over a year ago

Surrey


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE

Why did you drink Whiskey

Because I enjoy whiskey

Fair play, I enjoy it myself , I have never tried it as a COVID test before but it has to be better than sticking cotton buds up your nose "
when you lose all taste of it and it's just like a tasteless fluid in your mouth you know something is wrong lol

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By *ocusMan
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Personally I think it was leaked from China lab in error but I don't believe the date they said they first saw it,I think there was some "thinking " time....

^^^^^^^^ This I'm beginning to believe is true...Some say it was in Italy in Sept 2019...it's even on Wikipedia which is quite a reputable site

Wiki is not a reputable site. Literally anyone can edit a wiki post.."

Wiki is a weird one. Yes anyone can edit but pages have moderators that should remove fake edits and insist on quoting reputable sources for claims. Always check the sources given!

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause"

The us nih funding the wuhan lab for bat coronavirus research which has abruptly stopped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It came from bullshit not bats. Or the narrative on how dangerous and virulent is and the so called helpful methods to keep one safe we’re certainly grown in the mulch of that. All whilst pushing were following “the” science, funny how others in professional fields became conspiracy theorists or miss informers regardless of the science they followed.

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By *obupMan
over a year ago

blackburn

I buy a lot of stock from China. I’m not speculating on any causes for delays, but my monthly consignments coming from China started to be disrupted and delayed in October 2019 until finally being stopped in mid January. Things haven’t really got back to normal since.

Prices have risen, shipping costs gone through the roof, 2-3 month delays are common now.

The world has changed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve no idea where it came from because I’m no virus expert but the explanation it came from a Chinese market where someone ate a bat seems reasonable to me.

It would be hilarious if it came from Portugal or Spain, or somewhere like that though. There would be a huge amount of ‘I’m not racist but…’ folk who’d have to eat some humble pie."

Reasonable or unreasonable? Because if you mean reasonable and aren't just taking the piss, you've just said the very same thing that in your next paragraph you attribute to the "I'm not racist but" folk??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It came from bullshit not bats. Or the narrative on how dangerous and virulent is and the so called helpful methods to keep one safe we’re certainly grown in the mulch of that. All whilst pushing were following “the” science, funny how others in professional fields became conspiracy theorists or miss informers regardless of the science they followed. "

It came from cow shit? I haven’t heard that before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

excuse the typos...thick fingers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether you think you had Covid in 2018/9 in spain/italy or even China without a diagnosis you didn’t have it.

Now this is where all the conspiracy theories start, when no one catches a cold or flu and everyone catches Covid.

I think this thread is going to relive the last couple of years

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Personally I think it was leaked from China lab in error but I don't believe the date they said they first saw it,I think there was some "thinking " time....

^^^^^^^^ This I'm beginning to believe is true...Some say it was in Italy in Sept 2019...it's even on Wikipedia which is quite a reputable site

Wiki is not a reputable site. Literally anyone can edit a wiki post.."

I didn't know that was possible to edit a Wikipedia post...Thanks for the info...It's not a reliable source of info so... Jeez what is reliable now a-days

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Personally I think it was leaked from China lab in error but I don't believe the date they said they first saw it,I think there was some "thinking " time....

^^^^^^^^ This I'm beginning to believe is true...Some say it was in Italy in Sept 2019...it's even on Wikipedia which is quite a reputable site

Wiki is not a reputable site. Literally anyone can edit a wiki post..

I didn't know that was possible to edit a Wikipedia post...Thanks for the info...It's not a reliable source of info so... Jeez what is reliable now a-days"

That's the challenge...

Billions of pages of infotainment... Millions of opinion shapers... Aggregators disseminators...thousands of agendas.. But what to believe.?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly believe it is just a mutation from other SARS related viruses. But because of the way it mutated it jumped several stages and we didn’t have the right immune system to deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause"
from a science labritory man made got out When was sent for safe storage from usa trump talked about it

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

From Chinese lab either deliberately or accidentally.

It had also been subject to 'gain of function' research. Need to know more about that.

Governments know more than they are saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm almost convinced that I had it in September 2019 in Kent... Well, I had a madly weird virus then anyway, which zapped my energy and gave me a non-productive cough that lasted for weeks. If it wasn't Covid then it was pretty similar...

Like some others above here, I think it may have naturally mutated among humans for a while before it was first detected and named in China.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause from a science labritory man made got out When was sent for safe storage from usa trump talked about it "

Trump? Must be true then

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By *imited 3EditionCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England


"Yup it was confirmed in Wuhan on 31st December 2019 that 3 people had it but they also had chronic pneumonia.

Who knows but Italy believe it was in their country from September 2019

Really...now it's getting interesting... Thanks for that

Look up Italy virus date, you’ll find the info based on cancer sample studies Sept 19-March 20. "

I do believe it was doing the rounds before we all got to know about it in Feb/Mar 2020. I came back from an international conference in Vienna at the end of August 2019 with the worst flu I'd had in years. I was like is this what bird flu feels like?

I doubt we will ever get to know but it would be amazing if say historical samples from that period could be analyzed to determine whether and when this had actually started circulating.

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By *imited 3EditionCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England


"I'm almost convinced that I had it in September 2019 in Kent... Well, I had a madly weird virus then anyway, which zapped my energy and gave me a non-productive cough that lasted for weeks. If it wasn't Covid then it was pretty similar...

Like some others above here, I think it may have naturally mutated among humans for a while before it was first detected and named in China."

I have read similar that a lot of people were exposed to a milder version of covid19 that winter so many potentially already developed immunity early on. But the absence of antibody testing early on in the pandemic means we will never really know.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island


"Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause"

Didn't someone eat or face fuck a bat.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley


"I'm almost convinced that I had it in September 2019 in Kent... Well, I had a madly weird virus then anyway, which zapped my energy and gave me a non-productive cough that lasted for weeks. If it wasn't Covid then it was pretty similar...

Like some others above here, I think it may have naturally mutated among humans for a while before it was first detected and named in China.

I have read similar that a lot of people were exposed to a milder version of covid19 that winter so many potentially already developed immunity early on. But the absence of antibody testing early on in the pandemic means we will never really know. "

There was a respiratory outbreak in a retirement community in Virginia usa in July 2019 2 died 54 fell ill 10 or 11 hospitalised.

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By *omerset tvTV/TS
over a year ago

Weston-super-Mare


"Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause

Didn't someone eat or face fuck a bat. "

Wasnt Ozzy Osbourne was it?lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause

Didn't someone eat or face fuck a bat.

Wasnt Ozzy Osbourne was it?lol "

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By *irtyold manMan
over a year ago

barnsley

Just my opinion. We havent seen a massiv outbreak in animals so the idea that this came from animals dosent add up.and we all know that labs take an ordinary virus like the cold and mess with it to make it bigger and badder .so it seems to add up better if this was a man made super cold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big unknown eh?

If it was about in early 2019 then it's a brilliant coincidence that it took off in Wuhan of all places.

I used to write off the Italy cases as it felt strange that given how fast the 2020 cases grew from just a few seeds, that it could have been bubbling around before then.

However given mutations maybe a less transmissible version was about and it mutated in China.

Which puts pay to all evidence supporting the bat eating, wet market theories. It was already out there somehow. Anyones guess is as good as any. It also puts pay to the Wuhan lab. Just a lovely coincidence.

I'm too lazy to look but I wonder if any non Europeans had early 2019 cases?

I'm still leaning towards it being related to the lab.

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By *perfectpair5050Couple
over a year ago

marlbourgh

If Corvid was doing the rounds in this country in September October November 2019 why weren’t the hospital full of people dying from it When we found out about it in early March people were dying straight away it can’t have been here for six months

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By *imited 3EditionCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England


"If Corvid was doing the rounds in this country in September October November 2019 why weren’t the hospital full of people dying from it When we found out about it in early March people were dying straight away it can’t have been here for six months "

Some say the earlier form likely only gave rise to a milder disease

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By *perfectpair5050Couple
over a year ago

marlbourgh

So China only sent a mild form to destabilise the west The same West that buys all the crap that they make not trying to be clever it just doesn’t make a lot of sense to us

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By *illen5Man
over a year ago

Bath

Virus testing lab in Wuhan. Storage and testing of bats with virus.

Testing mice with human traits.

Poor controls. Technicians caught it.

Only my opinion but the way the Chinese held back info and allowed infected travellers to travel the world is criminal.

WHO report a complete joke

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By *illen5Man
over a year ago

Bath

There has never been a plausible link animal between bats and humans. Pengolins mentioned. None found with the virus. Wet-market(live animals) blamed. Personally I think it's a convenient cover story. Even lab technicians have to shop somewhere for food

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I never belived the bat narrative that they came out with first, my initial thought was that it started in a lab which later could be proven right too as one from the lab told the media that "accidents happens". I dont think that this will be the end of it as more and more will surface. I also believe that the rockefellow foundation is hugely involved too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause"

I am in the camp of blaming China, unfortunately I don't think anything conclusive will come from any investigation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shouldn't worry about it.

With China expanding its influence and challenging the USA at every chance, along with the high likelihood of Taiwan being re-claimed in the near future, a virus is going to be a small problem.

Future scenarios' are many, but start with a USA/China conflict, probably over China attacking USA ships as they transit near Taiwan. If China attacks a carrier it will certainly start a full-blown war.

Any conflict between the USA and China has a high potential for going nuclear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Shouldn't worry about it.

With China expanding its influence and challenging the USA at every chance, along with the high likelihood of Taiwan being re-claimed in the near future, a virus is going to be a small problem.

Future scenarios' are many, but start with a USA/China conflict, probably over China attacking USA ships as they transit near Taiwan. If China attacks a carrier it will certainly start a full-blown war.

Any conflict between the USA and China has a high potential for going nuclear. "

Such a cheery note

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By *umslaveTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

There are lots of coronaviruses so no reason why you couldn't have caught one of those in 2019. Whether it was covid 19 seems unlikely without a definitive test.

Dictionary def of coronavirus:

any of a group of RNA viruses that cause a variety of respiratory, gastrointestinal, and neurological diseases in humans and other animals

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"100 years time it will be blamed on the British because we have so many variants in the same way the Spanish were blamed for the Spanish flu yet there's no proof to cooabarate that cept for trade winds at the time "

It wasn't so much blamed for it, it was because the Spanish where the ones reporting on it, so they named it that

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"Coughing his guts out when he came back could hardly breathe seeing any

similarities there

Doesn’t prove he had COVID, "

It doesn't say he didn't either

A relative of mine has the same symptoms in October 2019 along with most of the year he was in and mixing with, he is in Uni where lots of overseas students come in Septemeber.

Obviously no testing then to check against but the same symptoms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Garunteed escaped from Wuhan Labs. UN wanted to investigate but China denied access, what do they have to hide?

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By *ucky24Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced.

I think I had it Dec 2019 I was in bed for a week, chesty cough, aching all over, I couldn't even open my eyes for 4 days. I've never felt that bad before. Mrs M relocated to the front room for a week.

My friend suffered the same symptoms early January 2020.

There was a particularly bad cold/flu virus going around during winter’19. Two friends had it and were bed-ridden for a week, felt better then got worse again before finally clearing it. When Covid antibody tests became available they each took one thinking they’d show as positive but they didn’t.

I had a really bad cold (fine one day, able to move the next) February ‘20 that at one point I assumed was covid but my antibody tests also came back negative. I’m not downplaying anyone’s experiences but not everything is covid."

Similar was working over in NI and came back for a quick visit in November and lots of family loaded with the flu. I return to NI and didn't have anything more than a blocked up nose and temp for a couple of days. The family back here still had it right up and through Christmas.

Only anecdotal evidence and not back up with any testing evidence so it could be flu or maybe that was the first wave. We will never know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced "

But lots of things have the same symptoms as covid and if that was the case why weren't people dieing of it in 2019 and 2018 if people believe they had it then.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"Explain my dad then if you please"

How to explain your dad.

Once upon a time a lady and a man (your nan and grandad) met and did some special kissing and then got married.

After about 9 months they had a baby, it may have been you.

That's how you get a dad.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"Garunteed escaped from Wuhan Labs. UN wanted to investigate but China denied access, what do they have to hide?"

Maybe nothing and just don't want nosey foreign people asking to look around their labs.

But then again.....it goes on and on.

My opinion.

I have absolutely no idea.

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By *oodtime maryCouple
over a year ago

dub

the wife and i were in las vages ib oct 2019 and when we came home both of had a bug of some sort and were bad till late jan

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"From Chinese lab either deliberately or accidentally.

It had also been subject to 'gain of function' research. Need to know more about that.

Governments know more than they are saying"

You presumably know that that's not correct. You've conflated several disparate things, put them together as facts and linked that to governments not telling citizens everything.

It's standard for governments to share selectively - some are less trustworthy than others.

But your fact salad mixing is helping nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect it came (accidentally) from lab in Wuhan.

I don't believe anyone had it in 2019. Last summer pretty much every other person I spoke to reckoned they'd had it in December/January when in retrospect they clearly hadn't. The rate of transmission is way too high for there to have been the isolated cases that people are claiming.

It started in Wuhan.

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By *rs mischiefWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

I watched a documentary called extinction on the BBC with David Attenborough. He talks about deforestation and humans building deeper into the rainforest/jungles, and how its inevitable that novel viruses only found in the rainforests/jungles will be exposed to humans with catastrophic effects.

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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville


"There was no antibody test because according to the world it was only discovered in March 2020"

It's called COVID 19 because it was discovered in 2019!?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Garunteed escaped from Wuhan Labs. UN wanted to investigate but China denied access, what do they have to hide?"

You're aware that China isn't 1 of the most open, democratic countries in the world?

And that WHO have been to China, including at the lab, as part of their investigations?

If they can't guarantee where it was from, it's sure as hell that you cannot.

In any event, knowing doesn't help us to deal with it intelligently. Nor ensure that any of the hundreds of other animal viruses that exist in nature and could potentially cause us even worse problems, are problems that we prevent.

It's too easy to ignore the massive damage that we're doing to the to the natural world, that's causing us to disrupt viruses protective barriers from us, by opting to blame a bogeyman instead, the lab. We don't want the uncomfortable answers

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I suspect it came (accidentally) from lab in Wuhan.

I don't believe anyone had it in 2019. Last summer pretty much every other person I spoke to reckoned they'd had it in December/January when in retrospect they clearly hadn't. The rate of transmission is way too high for there to have been the isolated cases that people are claiming.

It started in Wuhan. "

Autumn/winter are the natural times for a large range of respiratory infections that we catch. Some years are worse than others and some viruses are more prevalent in some years too. It would generally be abnormal not to have them circulating. Our selective attention biases push us to revise the history that we've known.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suspect it came (accidentally) from lab in Wuhan.

I don't believe anyone had it in 2019. Last summer pretty much every other person I spoke to reckoned they'd had it in December/January when in retrospect they clearly hadn't. The rate of transmission is way too high for there to have been the isolated cases that people are claiming.

It started in Wuhan.

Autumn/winter are the natural times for a large range of respiratory infections that we catch. Some years are worse than others and some viruses are more prevalent in some years too. It would generally be abnormal not to have them circulating. Our selective attention biases push us to revise the history that we've known. "

Yeah. I was guilty of the same. Had a flu type illness that Easter and spent the summer assuming I'd probably had Covid.

Then later in the year I did have Covid and that was much worse.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

Ask Dr fauci, he has been studying and funding gain of function research for years, on bat coronavirus. Was told to stop a few years back and sent over some funding to the wuhan lab.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Ask Dr fauci, he has been studying and funding gain of function research for years, on bat coronavirus. Was told to stop a few years back and sent over some funding to the wuhan lab. "

And that funding suddenly stopped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe it was engineered in a lab to infect human cells in a study and then leaked to a worker who is patient zero then spread like wildfire, doing what it was meant to do. I don’t buy it jumping from an animal as nothing similar has been found in that market they blamed it on or infact the wild, surely species that was the go between would be rife with it. That lab also stated they don’t keep live bats either but their own paper work from like 2018 stated they do/did. I also find it hard to believe when you look at China’s death toll/cases vs smaller countries....it’s laughable. Someone’s telling fibs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Zoonotic spillover"

Exactly, keeping animals in close proximity that aren't meant to be or eating them is a recipe for disaster, see covid, see ebola, bats are often a reservoir for these viruses.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I believe it was engineered in a lab to infect human cells in a study and then leaked to a worker who is patient zero then spread like wildfire, doing what it was meant to do. I don’t buy it jumping from an animal as nothing similar has been found in that market they blamed it on or infact the wild, surely species that was the go between would be rife with it. That lab also stated they don’t keep live bats either but their own paper work from like 2018 stated they do/did. I also find it hard to believe when you look at China’s death toll/cases vs smaller countries....it’s laughable. Someone’s telling fibs "

It's well known round our way that it doesn't spread in bat's... Only in humans and only after dark. Makes perfect sense when you've had a few.

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Well Mr4 had all the symptons of covid in 2019 november/december and a few of our neighbors had the same plus a Nurse we both know reckons it was here in late 2019 due to cases in her hospital but was out down as something else plus her partner had it and it was really really really nasty ..

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By *etro8Couple
over a year ago

Southampton **

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over a year ago

Southampton **

It’s a shit storm that’s changed the world and it originated in China …… definitely lab not a wet market as previously thought. Hold on tight it’s still going to be a bumpy road. JM x

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over a year ago

For me, the evidence against it (in the Wuhan form) being around before Dec 2019 is that, while there are lots of people saying they had it, there seems to be noone saying they know of any deaths. That suggests it's not quite the same disease (maybe Wuhan was a mutation? Maybe it was just a bad flu also doing the rounds?)

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Sadly, Covid is causing a few patients to have panic attacks post jabs.

Panic attacks are generally harmless but terrifying for the folks during an episode.

It's probably the closest to a coronary as the real thing.

Some you speak to later have often commented on "things they saw on Facebook, internet, friends comments etc etc.

It's sad to see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For me, the evidence against it (in the Wuhan form) being around before Dec 2019 is that, while there are lots of people saying they had it, there seems to be noone saying they know of any deaths. That suggests it's not quite the same disease (maybe Wuhan was a mutation? Maybe it was just a bad flu also doing the rounds?)

"

and why didn't it spread in wherever those places were in the same way that it has ever since?

It came from Wuhan, most likely from a lab.

Anything else is an attempt to distract from the shit storm that would be caused if a Wuhan leak could be proved (which it likely never will).

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple
over a year ago

crewe


"For me, the evidence against it (in the Wuhan form) being around before Dec 2019 is that, while there are lots of people saying they had it, there seems to be noone saying they know of any deaths. That suggests it's not quite the same disease (maybe Wuhan was a mutation? Maybe it was just a bad flu also doing the rounds?)

and why didn't it spread in wherever those places were in the same way that it has ever since?

It came from Wuhan, most likely from a lab.

Anything else is an attempt to distract from the shit storm that would be caused if a Wuhan leak could be proved (which it likely never will)."

They actually did a gene analysis of the original b1 strain in the first beginnings, it showed it's likely inception to the world was between August and September 2019(it's not foolproof but it's quite reliable normally) the Barcelona authority have samples of sewage contaminated with sars-cov2 from April 2019 however it's still not positive the samples were not contaminated on testing, secret intelligence has shown strange comings and goings at the Wuhan lab around early September with personal files removed and employees visiting hospitals.

The b1 Wuhan strain (were still not absolutely sure this is the original) has been shown to be about 400% less infectious as the current Delta which means spread would have happened far far slower, from an evolutionary perspective it was strange that it liked indoors but not out, that it could infect different species from the get go and that it could jump to airborne straight away.

Occams razor would conclude here's a lab doing gain of function on bat Corona viruses, it's already been pulled up four times on its safety practices and right next door there's an outbreak of a new Corona virus with bat origins???.

You could come up with a plausible solution to why it wasn't them but you'd have to work hard at it.

The easiest answer is usually always the right one.

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple
over a year ago

crewe


"For me, the evidence against it (in the Wuhan form) being around before Dec 2019 is that, while there are lots of people saying they had it, there seems to be noone saying they know of any deaths. That suggests it's not quite the same disease (maybe Wuhan was a mutation? Maybe it was just a bad flu also doing the rounds?)

"

The first case detected here was early February by late march early April it hit peak cases, Delta took longer to be established and it's roughly 400 times more infectious.

The odds are that sars-cov2 had been here far longer than we think, going off infectious times alone we'd conclude sometime around early December late November.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Lord our saviour Jesus Crist sent it us to cleanse the world of sin.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Most likely cause was a slow news day, however that certainly backfired on them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My understanding is that it originated in animals in Chinese wet markets (Wuhan being the main one)... possibly from Bats caught in caves in a different region of China and taken to the wet markets where the virus jumped species into humans.

I suspect the virus has been travelling the world in smaller numbers well before March 2020... a guy in Paris had something in Dec 2019... kept his blood test which was taken at the time... which was tested for covid a few months later out of interest and yep it was covid. He lived close to Charles de Gaulle airport... and frequented cafes around it...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"My understanding is that it originated in animals in Chinese wet markets (Wuhan being the main one)... possibly from Bats caught in caves in a different region of China and taken to the wet markets where the virus jumped species into humans.

I suspect the virus has been travelling the world in smaller numbers well before March 2020... a guy in Paris had something in Dec 2019... kept his blood test which was taken at the time... which was tested for covid a few months later out of interest and yep it was covid. He lived close to Charles de Gaulle airport... and frequented cafes around it... "

I believe Italian antibody tests show it in October.

Hard to know for sure, but I've heard that the lineage shows a big change around the time of the market superspreader event. There's an alpha lineage before that, but very little of it, and the market onwards is the beta lineage. (not to be confused with variants of the same name - this is all the "ancestral virus")

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"The Lord our saviour Jesus Crist sent it us to cleanse the world of sin."

How come you're still sucking air in and out then

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

If a Wuhan lab leak was proved then the rest of the world would be obliged to demand reparations from China.

China is so powerful that we would be afraid to make that challenge.

So maybe governments already know the cause but won't admit it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Garunteed escaped from Wuhan Labs. UN wanted to investigate but China denied access, what do they have to hide?

You're aware that China isn't 1 of the most open, democratic countries in the world?

And that WHO have been to China, including at the lab, as part of their investigations?

If they can't guarantee where it was from, it's sure as hell that you cannot.

In any event, knowing doesn't help us to deal with it intelligently. Nor ensure that any of the hundreds of other animal viruses that exist in nature and could potentially cause us even worse problems, are problems that we prevent.

It's too easy to ignore the massive damage that we're doing to the to the natural world, that's causing us to disrupt viruses protective barriers from us, by opting to blame a bogeyman instead, the lab. We don't want the uncomfortable answers "

I didn’t say I knew where it’s from. Also didn’t say it couldn’t have come from animals etc. We know what’s reported in which first cases were found in China

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For me, the evidence against it (in the Wuhan form) being around before Dec 2019 is that, while there are lots of people saying they had it, there seems to be noone saying they know of any deaths. That suggests it's not quite the same disease (maybe Wuhan was a mutation? Maybe it was just a bad flu also doing the rounds?)

and why didn't it spread in wherever those places were in the same way that it has ever since?

It came from Wuhan, most likely from a lab.

Anything else is an attempt to distract from the shit storm that would be caused if a Wuhan leak could be proved (which it likely never will).

They actually did a gene analysis of the original b1 strain in the first beginnings, it showed it's likely inception to the world was between August and September 2019(it's not foolproof but it's quite reliable normally) the Barcelona authority have samples of sewage contaminated with sars-cov2 from April 2019 however it's still not positive the samples were not contaminated on testing, secret intelligence has shown strange comings and goings at the Wuhan lab around early September with personal files removed and employees visiting hospitals.

The b1 Wuhan strain (were still not absolutely sure this is the original) has been shown to be about 400% less infectious as the current Delta which means spread would have happened far far slower, from an evolutionary perspective it was strange that it liked indoors but not out, that it could infect different species from the get go and that it could jump to airborne straight away.

Occams razor would conclude here's a lab doing gain of function on bat Corona viruses, it's already been pulled up four times on its safety practices and right next door there's an outbreak of a new Corona virus with bat origins???.

You could come up with a plausible solution to why it wasn't them but you'd have to work hard at it.

The easiest answer is usually always the right one."

Indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a Wuhan lab leak was proved then the rest of the world would be obliged to demand reparations from China.

China is so powerful that we would be afraid to make that challenge.

So maybe governments already know the cause but won't admit it"

This seems very likely to me.

If it was something they genuinely knew nothing about you'd have thought they'd be a fair bit more open to inviting help in to figure it out with the initial outbreak.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I believe it was engineered in a lab to infect human cells in a study and then leaked to a worker who is patient zero then spread like wildfire, doing what it was meant to do. I don’t buy it jumping from an animal as nothing similar has been found in that market they blamed it on or infact the wild, surely species that was the go between would be rife with it. That lab also stated they don’t keep live bats either but their own paper work from like 2018 stated they do/did. I also find it hard to believe when you look at China’s death toll/cases vs smaller countries....it’s laughable. Someone’s telling fibs "

China is a large country and it isn't the most open, nor democratic. To investigate many widely distributed wild animal species, when there are higher priorities, including the virus, would take significant resources and couldn't easily find a definitive answer.

People are just throwing out their thoughts, rather than thinking more rationally IMO.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I believe it was engineered in a lab to infect human cells in a study and then leaked to a worker who is patient zero then spread like wildfire, doing what it was meant to do. I don’t buy it jumping from an animal as nothing similar has been found in that market they blamed it on or infact the wild, surely species that was the go between would be rife with it. That lab also stated they don’t keep live bats either but their own paper work from like 2018 stated they do/did. I also find it hard to believe when you look at China’s death toll/cases vs smaller countries....it’s laughable. Someone’s telling fibs

China is a large country and it isn't the most open, nor democratic. To investigate many widely distributed wild animal species, when there are higher priorities, including the virus, would take significant resources and couldn't easily find a definitive answer.

People are just throwing out their thoughts, rather than thinking more rationally IMO. "

I'm also included to think that throwing accusations around isn't a good way to get China to cooperate with investigation. (Or any country!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was engineered in a lab to infect human cells in a study and then leaked to a worker who is patient zero then spread like wildfire, doing what it was meant to do. I don’t buy it jumping from an animal as nothing similar has been found in that market they blamed it on or infact the wild, surely species that was the go between would be rife with it. That lab also stated they don’t keep live bats either but their own paper work from like 2018 stated they do/did. I also find it hard to believe when you look at China’s death toll/cases vs smaller countries....it’s laughable. Someone’s telling fibs

China is a large country and it isn't the most open, nor democratic. To investigate many widely distributed wild animal species, when there are higher priorities, including the virus, would take significant resources and couldn't easily find a definitive answer.

People are just throwing out their thoughts, rather than thinking more rationally IMO.

I'm also included to think that throwing accusations around isn't a good way to get China to cooperate with investigation. (Or any country!)"

The op did ask for people’s thoughts and opinions. Thanks for your feedback tho

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I believe it was engineered in a lab to infect human cells in a study and then leaked to a worker who is patient zero then spread like wildfire, doing what it was meant to do. I don’t buy it jumping from an animal as nothing similar has been found in that market they blamed it on or infact the wild, surely species that was the go between would be rife with it. That lab also stated they don’t keep live bats either but their own paper work from like 2018 stated they do/did. I also find it hard to believe when you look at China’s death toll/cases vs smaller countries....it’s laughable. Someone’s telling fibs

China is a large country and it isn't the most open, nor democratic. To investigate many widely distributed wild animal species, when there are higher priorities, including the virus, would take significant resources and couldn't easily find a definitive answer.

People are just throwing out their thoughts, rather than thinking more rationally IMO.

I'm also included to think that throwing accusations around isn't a good way to get China to cooperate with investigation. (Or any country!)

The op did ask for people’s thoughts and opinions. Thanks for your feedback tho "

And that's my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was engineered in a lab to infect human cells in a study and then leaked to a worker who is patient zero then spread like wildfire, doing what it was meant to do. I don’t buy it jumping from an animal as nothing similar has been found in that market they blamed it on or infact the wild, surely species that was the go between would be rife with it. That lab also stated they don’t keep live bats either but their own paper work from like 2018 stated they do/did. I also find it hard to believe when you look at China’s death toll/cases vs smaller countries....it’s laughable. Someone’s telling fibs

China is a large country and it isn't the most open, nor democratic. To investigate many widely distributed wild animal species, when there are higher priorities, including the virus, would take significant resources and couldn't easily find a definitive answer.

People are just throwing out their thoughts, rather than thinking more rationally IMO.

I'm also included to think that throwing accusations around isn't a good way to get China to cooperate with investigation. (Or any country!)

The op did ask for people’s thoughts and opinions. Thanks for your feedback tho

And that's my opinion."

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Breaking news... China refuses to cooperate with investigations after anonymous swingers accuse it of covering up the true origins of covid

Believing it came from anywhere else is just *batty*

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

I had a really bad case of pnemonia in jan 2018 which I think might have been covid.

Was off work for a month. Had 2 weeks of anti biotics, 2nd week was 2 types of anti biotics.

Could not walk up the stairs without stopping half way. Woke up one night to go to the toilet and fainted due to lack of oxygen.

Had a blood test but didnt get to hear the result.

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By *issusWoman
over a year ago

Belfast


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced "

I used to work in a popular tourist place that had bus loads of Chinese tourists coming through it every hour, every single day.

Had a very bad cold that lasted between mid November 2019 and mid December 2019. Temperature went up and down, continious mild cough, lost my taste and smell for about a week.

I do believe that I had covid back in 2019.

Tested positive just a few weeks ago too. Completely different experience. Was more acute but lasted only just over a week and wasn't as harsh.

Not gonna put any tin foil hats on , but judging by the amount of public interviews from very influential public figures prior to this talking about upcoming pandemic and pure "convenience" of a virus killing off mostly old and unfit while mostly harmless to children and fit people, it genuinely makes you wonder...

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By *rof. Brian cocksMan
over a year ago

sheffield


"Hi, So what do people think caused Covid???

I know what I think & I've heard 2 rumours...I'd greatly appreciate peoples opinions & it's origin & cause"

We don't know do we, but apparently there's more than 1000 labs around the world researching these kind of viruses. Many of them for biological warfare. You don't have to look round in history for long to figure that in secret some people are up to some really dangerous and dodgy stuff.

That phrase 'accidents happen' is an understatement. Big and small they happen constantly. If there's tens of thousands of people working in these labs, for decades, it's only a matter of time before there's an 'accident', or an on purpose!

Rich and powerful people have gotten a lot richer and grasped a lot more power recently. I lean towards lab made theory. That said, nature has a way of controlling out of control species populations so maybe...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever caused it, we'll just be told a version that suits a narrative, at a time that suits the narrator. Until that time, it's all conspiracy theories, guesstimate and conjecture. Which is ironic when reading some people's dismissive comments on other threads!

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced

I used to work in a popular tourist place that had bus loads of Chinese tourists coming through it every hour, every single day.

Had a very bad cold that lasted between mid November 2019 and mid December 2019. Temperature went up and down, continious mild cough, lost my taste and smell for about a week.

I do believe that I had covid back in 2019.

Tested positive just a few weeks ago too. Completely different experience. Was more acute but lasted only just over a week and wasn't as harsh.

Not gonna put any tin foil hats on , but judging by the amount of public interviews from very influential public figures prior to this talking about upcoming pandemic and pure "convenience" of a virus killing off mostly old and unfit while mostly harmless to children and fit people, it genuinely makes you wonder... "

To be fair, any illness is likely to affect the ill, unhealthy, and elderly more than the young fit and healthy... it's really obvious.

I personally think that the virus has started in Wuhan China as we've been lead to believe. It is fairly normal for viruses to be about for a while before they get traction. It is equally possible the there were weaker/less virulent strains about before "The Big One" started the mass infections leading to the pandemic.

Cal

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

Probably a leak from the Wuhan lab.

They likely didn't report it immediately

CCP probably did the same before alerting WHO

By then people had traveled and the virus had spread

It's a high infection, low mortality virus. You can carry it with mild symptoms so you wouldn't think you were severely ill

Just plain old human error

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By *issusWoman
over a year ago

Belfast


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced

I used to work in a popular tourist place that had bus loads of Chinese tourists coming through it every hour, every single day.

Had a very bad cold that lasted between mid November 2019 and mid December 2019. Temperature went up and down, continious mild cough, lost my taste and smell for about a week.

I do believe that I had covid back in 2019.

Tested positive just a few weeks ago too. Completely different experience. Was more acute but lasted only just over a week and wasn't as harsh.

Not gonna put any tin foil hats on , but judging by the amount of public interviews from very influential public figures prior to this talking about upcoming pandemic and pure "convenience" of a virus killing off mostly old and unfit while mostly harmless to children and fit people, it genuinely makes you wonder...

To be fair, any illness is likely to affect the ill, unhealthy, and elderly more than the young fit and healthy... it's really obvious.

I personally think that the virus has started in Wuhan China as we've been lead to believe. It is fairly normal for viruses to be about for a while before they get traction. It is equally possible the there were weaker/less virulent strains about before "The Big One" started the mass infections leading to the pandemic.

Cal"

To be fair the way death tole was counted and what I've witnessed first hand - for a good while you didn't even have to have covid to die from covid.

Wuhan is as good place as any to be the place of origin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably a leak from the Wuhan lab.

They likely didn't report it immediately

CCP probably did the same before alerting WHO

By then people had traveled and the virus had spread

It's a high infection, low mortality virus. You can carry it with mild symptoms so you wouldn't think you were severely ill

Just plain old human error "

literally. a huge cock up.

a lab studying and playing with mers-cov & SARS-cov and other research including gain of function research trying to find out if the spike proteins in mers could be combined with sars to make a new virus that allowed transmission to humans could never have been the source of the virus.......

definitely that bat soup in the wet market obviously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced

I used to work in a popular tourist place that had bus loads of Chinese tourists coming through it every hour, every single day.

Had a very bad cold that lasted between mid November 2019 and mid December 2019. Temperature went up and down, continious mild cough, lost my taste and smell for about a week.

I do believe that I had covid back in 2019.

Tested positive just a few weeks ago too. Completely different experience. Was more acute but lasted only just over a week and wasn't as harsh.

Not gonna put any tin foil hats on , but judging by the amount of public interviews from very influential public figures prior to this talking about upcoming pandemic and pure "convenience" of a virus killing off mostly old and unfit while mostly harmless to children and fit people, it genuinely makes you wonder... "

stop critically thinking you anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist!

Just trust the experts and listen to your government, don't question the narrative!

/sarcasm

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By *adyBugsWoman
over a year ago

cognito


"Zoonotic spillover"

This

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By *issusWoman
over a year ago

Belfast


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced

I used to work in a popular tourist place that had bus loads of Chinese tourists coming through it every hour, every single day.

Had a very bad cold that lasted between mid November 2019 and mid December 2019. Temperature went up and down, continious mild cough, lost my taste and smell for about a week.

I do believe that I had covid back in 2019.

Tested positive just a few weeks ago too. Completely different experience. Was more acute but lasted only just over a week and wasn't as harsh.

Not gonna put any tin foil hats on , but judging by the amount of public interviews from very influential public figures prior to this talking about upcoming pandemic and pure "convenience" of a virus killing off mostly old and unfit while mostly harmless to children and fit people, it genuinely makes you wonder...

stop critically thinking you anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist!

Just trust the experts and listen to your government, don't question the narrative!

/sarcasm

. "

Times like this you really feel the need for gifs

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So I'm gathering from the comments...the consensus is the majority believe it originated in Wuhan & accidentally leaked in a laboratory

Thanks for input X

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"2019 sorry auto correct on tablet

2 of my friends reckon they had it here in Ireland in December 2019...They had all the symptoms before Covid was even known about or announced

I used to work in a popular tourist place that had bus loads of Chinese tourists coming through it every hour, every single day.

Had a very bad cold that lasted between mid November 2019 and mid December 2019. Temperature went up and down, continious mild cough, lost my taste and smell for about a week.

I do believe that I had covid back in 2019.

Tested positive just a few weeks ago too. Completely different experience. Was more acute but lasted only just over a week and wasn't as harsh.

Not gonna put any tin foil hats on , but judging by the amount of public interviews from very influential public figures prior to this talking about upcoming pandemic and pure "convenience" of a virus killing off mostly old and unfit while mostly harmless to children and fit people, it genuinely makes you wonder...

To be fair, any illness is likely to affect the ill, unhealthy, and elderly more than the young fit and healthy... it's really obvious.

I personally think that the virus has started in Wuhan China as we've been lead to believe. It is fairly normal for viruses to be about for a while before they get traction. It is equally possible the there were weaker/less virulent strains about before "The Big One" started the mass infections leading to the pandemic.

Cal"

Occam's razor -

I just think that's the best fit for Occam's razor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was no antibody test because according to the world it was only discovered in March 2020"
there was antibody tests as nurses, doctors , paramedics was having them at hospitals to see if they had covid in the past , I know I’ve had the blood test

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

Do you not think it was Russia the way they have hidden how many people have died not leaked anything from the country

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE

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Quote - "I believe it was in the UK before December 19."

I think so too. Defo in UK & Ireland before December 2019...The Chinese delayed in declaring it. It was over there too way before December `19."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was in the UK before December 19. As that Christmas I felt the worst I have ever in my life with every symptom. Was taking shot after shot of whiskey and couldn't taste a thing. The cough lasted for months, the back of my eyes hurt.

I'm in isolation as we speak after a positive test and it feels the same just very weak. I am double jabbed as well.

Do you not think it was Russia the way they have hidden how many people have died not leaked anything from the country

I just feel my employer was very slow to help provide us with PPE

^^^^^^^

Quote - "I believe it was in the UK before December 19."

I think so too. Defo in UK & Ireland before December 2019...The Chinese delayed in declaring it. It was over there too way before December `19."

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