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"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow... The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow... But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies... So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid? " I believe in the scientists and the governments (even if I think our current UK government are a shambles) my reasons, I have yet to hear a credible reason why they would fabricate figures and lie, what is their motivation? What is their ‘end game’ , who will benefit ? Also, how have they managed to coordinate and collaborate a world wide conspiracy | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck? "I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp). Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.  | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump. "So you are an idiot if you do, and an idiot if you don't. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. " This. And the govt aren’t exactly going with the scientists. It’s a nuanced situation and the facts are not clear. How can we know whether vaccinating our kids or vaccinating other countries will be the mode beneficial? It’s likely that new strains will come from abroad, but it’s the kids who will spread it around. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump. "Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’ | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
So you are an idiot if you do, and an idiot if you don't."So why are you an idiot if you listen to an expert? Do you not take advice from your mechanic, your dentist, your builder (etc)? | |||
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"Do I think vaccines are riskier than catching covid. " Above all, this. For the others, just weigh up what each party has to gain/lose, then apply to the available evidence. | |||
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"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow... The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow... But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies... So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid? " The scientists are guessing with of the benefit of the best available evidence and experience. Others are just guessing or making shit up. The government is picking and choosing when to follow the science. | |||
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"The scientists are guessing with of the benefit of the best available evidence and experience. Others are just guessing or making shit up. The government is picking and choosing when to follow the science." Summed up perfectly. | |||
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"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow... The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow... But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies... So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid? " I'm not sure it's binary. Its shades of grey. What it comes down to for me is communication of accurate relevant, up to date information which is credible. So as an example... Stop grouping all people together when it suits them and then targeting a unique age group, sex, race when it suits them better. Stop changing the age groupings every day... Under 45, over 65, under 18, 40 to 45..40 to 50..39 to 44...and so on... If they don't already have the information... Provide information on the effectiveness against delta for all vaccines... And be precise about what "effective" actually means... Effectiveness to stop spreading, stop hospitalisation, stop death for age groups. Lets also have some clarity over how effective vaccines are by age group after 6 9 12 months... As we don't want to delude people into thinking they are 90 percent protected, when the truth is they might only be 30 per cent (imagine a contraceptive pill as an example that was only 30 per cent effective... People would like to know that fact?) Lets try and remove dogma and emotion and look at better facts that are better communicated. | |||
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"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow... The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow... But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies... So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid? The scientists are guessing with of the benefit of the best available evidence and experience. Others are just guessing or making shit up. The government is picking and choosing when to follow the science."  | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’ "Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying... | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying..."be interesting to see your workings on this ... | |||
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"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow... " This side is stupid (the govt follows science that suits) " The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow... " This side is really stupid. Turns out we're all more stupid than we'd ever have thought, albeit some are still in denial. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying..."How ? | |||
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"I think there’s several groups of people and not just two! I also think it’s great that we all have different opinions on things, like everything in life, and love to chat with people whose opinion differs from mine, because I’m able to do so with an open mind! What makes my stubborn arse twitch is those that launch and tell me I’m wrong, look at the science, look at the stats! I’m more than capable of doing that myself without being told to do so haha! No one is right or wrong in my opinion, if you have a view then you’re entitled to it! As I’ve said before, I find the divide sad and worrying tbh. Miss pc "True, at the end of the day no one on here is going to make me change my mind and I won’t change anyone on here’s opinion either . | |||
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"I think there’s several groups of people and not just two! I also think it’s great that we all have different opinions on things, like everything in life, and love to chat with people whose opinion differs from mine, because I’m able to do so with an open mind! What makes my stubborn arse twitch is those that launch and tell me I’m wrong, look at the science, look at the stats! I’m more than capable of doing that myself without being told to do so haha! No one is right or wrong in my opinion, if you have a view then you’re entitled to it! As I’ve said before, I find the divide sad and worrying tbh. Miss pc
True, at the end of the day no one on here is going to make me change my mind and I won’t change anyone on here’s opinion either . "I'm open to change if teh facts change. I'm also intrigued how, assuming we have all the same info, that we get different views. That's fascinating to me. | |||
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"I think there’s several groups of people and not just two! I also think it’s great that we all have different opinions on things, like everything in life, and love to chat with people whose opinion differs from mine, because I’m able to do so with an open mind! What makes my stubborn arse twitch is those that launch and tell me I’m wrong, look at the science, look at the stats! I’m more than capable of doing that myself without being told to do so haha! No one is right or wrong in my opinion, if you have a view then you’re entitled to it! As I’ve said before, I find the divide sad and worrying tbh. Miss pc
True, at the end of the day no one on here is going to make me change my mind and I won’t change anyone on here’s opinion either . I'm open to change if teh facts change. I'm also intrigued how, assuming we have all the same info, that we get different views. That's fascinating to me. "Yep, but that will be based on ‘credible ‘ facts, not what some random person on here says | |||
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"I think there’s several groups of people and not just two! I also think it’s great that we all have different opinions on things, like everything in life, and love to chat with people whose opinion differs from mine, because I’m able to do so with an open mind! What makes my stubborn arse twitch is those that launch and tell me I’m wrong, look at the science, look at the stats! I’m more than capable of doing that myself without being told to do so haha! No one is right or wrong in my opinion, if you have a view then you’re entitled to it! As I’ve said before, I find the divide sad and worrying tbh. Miss pc
True, at the end of the day no one on here is going to make me change my mind and I won’t change anyone on here’s opinion either . I'm open to change if teh facts change. I'm also intrigued how, assuming we have all the same info, that we get different views. That's fascinating to me.
Yep, but that will be based on ‘credible ‘ facts, not what some random person on here says "Haha I hear you on that! But again we all get told the credible facts, and you will get those that believe them, those who are on the fence, and those that may distrust where those credible facts came from! And so it continues! Who’s to say who’s right or wrong? Miss pc | |||
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"I think there’s several groups of people and not just two! I also think it’s great that we all have different opinions on things, like everything in life, and love to chat with people whose opinion differs from mine, because I’m able to do so with an open mind! What makes my stubborn arse twitch is those that launch and tell me I’m wrong, look at the science, look at the stats! I’m more than capable of doing that myself without being told to do so haha! No one is right or wrong in my opinion, if you have a view then you’re entitled to it! As I’ve said before, I find the divide sad and worrying tbh. Miss pc
True, at the end of the day no one on here is going to make me change my mind and I won’t change anyone on here’s opinion either . I'm open to change if teh facts change. I'm also intrigued how, assuming we have all the same info, that we get different views. That's fascinating to me.
Yep, but that will be based on ‘credible ‘ facts, not what some random person on here says
Haha I hear you on that! But again we all get told the credible facts, and you will get those that believe them, those who are on the fence, and those that may distrust where those credible facts came from! And so it continues! Who’s to say who’s right or wrong? Miss pc "I'd say we get evidence ... Not facts. And that because people use the word facts, when new evidence seems to go against the old evidence, then they end up distrusting everything ... | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck? "Very true, think some may have forgotten this is actually a swinging site. We have recently met someone who is very active in the forums but in real life wasn't so vocal. Also, searching the internet, finding a piece to reinforce your arguement and calling it research, not really. I went on today and found a piece about hamster mortality. Am I a vet or expert in small pet death, no. Then I would guess the majority of comments on here, most definitely mine, are just a bit of pub talk. Good fun though, love pub talk. Especially the next day when we all say...great night, didn't we all talk some shit... | |||
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"I've seen the light. All evidence can be corrupted. Nothing is fixed. All opinions are equally valid. Evidence suggests that I'm a woman. Pah, evidence. Science changes its mind all the time. I'm obviously a camel. That's just as valid as my life experience and medical records, because those can be wrong." No need to get the hump | |||
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"I've seen the light. All evidence can be corrupted. Nothing is fixed. All opinions are equally valid. Evidence suggests that I'm a woman. Pah, evidence. Science changes its mind all the time. I'm obviously a camel. That's just as valid as my life experience and medical records, because those can be wrong. No need to get the hump " | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying..."What a weird thing to say | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying..."Just when you think you've heard it all... | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
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"I worked in a care home for the last 5 and a half years, I quit in December because I felt that by continuing to work there I was helping to perpetuate the lie and it was starting to really get to me we were using the rt-pcr for diagnosis despite the fact that it is not and has never been intended for viral diagnosis and the only thing I could see that was killing the residents was the governments new "covid rules" the guidance for care homes I believe was responsible for a good 80% of the deaths the other 20% was just a case of it was there time. It was heart breaking I spoke to management about my concerns but was told its government guidelines so nothing they can do but I could tell my boss agreed with me every natural death put down as covid including my terminally ill uncle and believe it or not but the all cause mortality rates were at a 5 year low until around two weeks after the first lockdown when suicide, domestic violence mandated DNR'S in care homes ect caused ab exponential rise. I was terrified of covid I remember ringing my dad too scared to go to work in the beginning then on March the 19th they declassified it as no longer a hcid and then the lies on my uncles death cert and I started to dig looking at all cause mortality rates talking to nurses taking a trip round my local icu in every single way it sounds mental but there's not a doubt in my mind that for what ever reason we really are not experiencing a pandemic just fear mongering and exaduration " You must be impressed at the scale of it. Somehow the whole world has been deluded into believing there's a pandemic. Amazing. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
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"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow... The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow... But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies... So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid? " Qui Bono. Which side has motive to deceive? The ones getting labelled domestic terrorists and conspiracy nuts for speaking out? ..or the governments grabbing power and the billionaires who patented vaccines, who also own everything else? | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment "Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit! Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
"And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments"I wonder why you question the vaccines when the information is entirely public. Literally ALL of the safety data / trial data and all sorts of literature on the mechanism the mRNA vaccines use is easily accessed. There is nothing to suggest anything sinister and ALL peer reviewed work shows vaccines are safe and effective. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments
I wonder why you question the vaccines when the information is entirely public. Literally ALL of the safety data / trial data and all sorts of literature on the mechanism the mRNA vaccines use is easily accessed. There is nothing to suggest anything sinister and ALL peer reviewed work shows vaccines are safe and effective."Are you listening to yourself..repeating the govt mantra. Answer this without screwing up. How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines? | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments
I wonder why you question the vaccines when the information is entirely public. Literally ALL of the safety data / trial data and all sorts of literature on the mechanism the mRNA vaccines use is easily accessed. There is nothing to suggest anything sinister and ALL peer reviewed work shows vaccines are safe and effective."Sounds like a comment from someone “double jabbed”
There’s loads of reasons why people are against these vaccines. Genuine reasons.
Just because you have personally chosen to take both jabs as soon as possible under government guidance doesn’t mean you can take the moral high ground over somebody who has choose to wait or not get it at all. We live in a beautiful age where we are allowed to question everything!
Personally I’m still choosing to let the dust settle before even contemplating the vaccines!
Few questions that are causing doubt with me…
Medical exemption?? Why? These people can still catch and spread it.
Having the vaccines doesn’t prevent you from catching or spreading it! Why?
Children don’t need the jab why?
People having awful reactions to either covid jab isn’t reported in mainstream media! Why?
My best friend has just had baby with his partner she is currently breast feeding she wants the jabs but isn’t allowed them due to her current situation! Why??
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" Few questions that are causing doubt with me… Medical exemption?? Why? These people can still catch and spread it. Having the vaccines doesn’t prevent you from catching or spreading it! Why? Children don’t need the jab why? People having awful reactions to either covid jab isn’t reported in mainstream media! Why? My best friend has just had baby with his partner she is currently breast feeding she wants the jabs but isn’t allowed them due to her current situation! Why?? " Although people can still catch & transmit the virus despite being vaccinated, it DOES significantly reduce both infection and transmission rates. The rationale behind vaccinating teenagers is to help prevent the spread, not particularly to protect those kids directly. All the actual data from the vaccination project is showing us that the reactions to the various vaccines are actually minimal and SERIOUS reactions are extremely rare, but the government would rather down-play the idea of reactions anyway so as to not discourage people from getting jabbed. I'm not sure why your friend has been "denied" a vaccine, I have a couple of friends who have new-born babies and are breastfeeding... neither of who have had any problem getting their jabs. They did both put off getting jabbed before giving birth. Cal | |||
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"I worked in a care home for the last 5 and a half years, I quit in December because I felt that by continuing to work there I was helping to perpetuate the lie and it was starting to really get to me we were using the rt-pcr for diagnosis despite the fact that it is not and has never been intended for viral diagnosis and the only thing I could see that was killing the residents was the governments new "covid rules" the guidance for care homes I believe was responsible for a good 80% of the deaths the other 20% was just a case of it was there time. It was heart breaking I spoke to management about my concerns but was told its government guidelines so nothing they can do but I could tell my boss agreed with me every natural death put down as covid including my terminally ill uncle and believe it or not but the all cause mortality rates were at a 5 year low until around two weeks after the first lockdown when suicide, domestic violence mandated DNR'S in care homes ect caused ab exponential rise. I was terrified of covid I remember ringing my dad too scared to go to work in the beginning then on March the 19th they declassified it as no longer a hcid and then the lies on my uncles death cert and I started to dig looking at all cause mortality rates talking to nurses taking a trip round my local icu in every single way it sounds mental but there's not a doubt in my mind that for what ever reason we really are not experiencing a pandemic just fear mongering and exaduration " Someone needs to tell the 125,000 doctors and 300,000 nurses working in the NHS, or are they all part of the conspiracy? | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments"Oh the irony, is is those that are so easily fooled and manipulated by miss information on social media that lack critical thinking skills!! | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments
I wonder why you question the vaccines when the information is entirely public. Literally ALL of the safety data / trial data and all sorts of literature on the mechanism the mRNA vaccines use is easily accessed. There is nothing to suggest anything sinister and ALL peer reviewed work shows vaccines are safe and effective.
Are you listening to yourself..repeating the govt mantra.
Answer this without screwing up.
How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines? "I don't. But I also don't know the long term effects of covid. So I am having to balance up two unknowns. I'd suggest you'd need to do the same and ask hkuysekf how do you know the long term effects of catching covid. (You'd also need to define what is long term too). | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Possibly a reference to the plane crash at the air show? Where nobody died? Or maybe the reporters miscounted and it was actually more than 133 thousand spectators that were wiped out, making it a worse killer than covid "Oooooh maybe? It’s like a murder mystery trying to work it out | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
"No one is not ‘relaxed’ if you’re going to joke at least make it a good one / funny one / one that makes sense / use a smiley face / context?? | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments"hey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments"You’re comment was bland and empty and it made no sense to anyone. And you’ve just proven the points in my very first post on here. Making huge assumptions based on ONE comment on a forum about someone you’ve don’t know, never met and have no clue about their vaccine status. You’ve seen a comment you don’t like and assumed the person making it is in the ‘opposite camp’ to you and started calling people rude and obnoxious.
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic commentshey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see"Don’t put yourself into a “double jabbed” box. This is what I find so frustrating. You’re having to justify yourself to a random stranger who assumes you’re rude because you’re double jabbed or assumes you’re double jabbed because you’re rude? Who knows it’s so ridiculous. I mean could you even get a bigger stereotype. It makes me laugh. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic commentshey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see
Don’t put yourself into a “double jabbed” box. This is what I find so frustrating. You’re having to justify yourself to a random stranger who assumes you’re rude because you’re double jabbed or assumes you’re double jabbed because you’re rude? Who knows it’s so ridiculous.
I mean could you even get a bigger stereotype. It makes me laugh. "a bit like those who think anyone who wont have the jab is a tin foil hat wearing granny killer that sort of sterotype,like i said unreasonable arseholes on both sides, | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic commentshey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see
Don’t put yourself into a “double jabbed” box. This is what I find so frustrating. You’re having to justify yourself to a random stranger who assumes you’re rude because you’re double jabbed or assumes you’re double jabbed because you’re rude? Who knows it’s so ridiculous.
I mean could you even get a bigger stereotype. It makes me laugh. a bit like those who think anyone who wont have the jab is a tin foil hat wearing granny killer that sort of sterotype,like i said unreasonable arseholes on both sides,"Exactly. You won’t get an argument from me. I know a couple of those PHD educated, tin foil hat wearing granny killers. There are more than two sides. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments
I wonder why you question the vaccines when the information is entirely public. Literally ALL of the safety data / trial data and all sorts of literature on the mechanism the mRNA vaccines use is easily accessed. There is nothing to suggest anything sinister and ALL peer reviewed work shows vaccines are safe and effective.
Sounds like a comment from someone “double jabbed”
There’s loads of reasons why people are against these vaccines. Genuine reasons.
Just because you have personally chosen to take both jabs as soon as possible under government guidance doesn’t mean you can take the moral high ground over somebody who has choose to wait or not get it at all. We live in a beautiful age where we are allowed to question everything!
Personally I’m still choosing to let the dust settle before even contemplating the vaccines!
Few questions that are causing doubt with me…
Medical exemption?? Why? These people can still catch and spread it.
Having the vaccines doesn’t prevent you from catching or spreading it! Why?
Children don’t need the jab why?
People having awful reactions to either covid jab isn’t reported in mainstream media! Why?
My best friend has just had baby with his partner she is currently breast feeding she wants the jabs but isn’t allowed them due to her current situation! Why??
"The answer to many of these are a balance of risks. The jab us not without risk. But it reduces the risk of covid. So if the risk of covid is greater than risk of the jab you get jabbed. Now the risk reduced with age. So at some point the equation switched and the risk of the jab outweighs the risk of covid. Current thinking is this formula is balanced for kids. So recommendation is to not vacc unless there is an increase risk from Covid. I'd imagine that for newborns the risk is higher with the jab so a precaution is not to give the jab to breastfeeding mothers who may pass it on. That's a guess. I'd also disagree that reactions aren't being reported. Look at the BBC presenter. And there was a load of stuff on clots early doors. But I'd also not be suprised if the media is being selective. .. not because of scienec but because of policy... I see from these threads most people struggle with probability and risk analysis. That may sound judgemental but this is my job and I'm seeing common errors. As they say a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. So the absence of media articles is a reflection of how HMG view us. Not a reflection on the vaccine itself. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic commentshey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see
Don’t put yourself into a “double jabbed” box. This is what I find so frustrating. You’re having to justify yourself to a random stranger who assumes you’re rude because you’re double jabbed or assumes you’re double jabbed because you’re rude? Who knows it’s so ridiculous.
I mean could you even get a bigger stereotype. It makes me laugh. a bit like those who think anyone who wont have the jab is a tin foil hat wearing granny killer that sort of sterotype,like i said unreasonable arseholes on both sides,"Unfortunately, everyone I know who hasn't had the jabs pretty much is a tinfoil hat wearer and some of the conspiracy theories I've heard need their own TV series. The phrase about sandwiches and picnics springs to mind. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments
Oh the irony, is is those that are so easily fooled and manipulated by miss information on social media that lack critical thinking skills!! "Yep, must be my critical thinking skills at fault and probably lack of them. But, god forbid and taking lack of lots of skills into account, I always thought a joke should make you laugh not have to read it over again slack jawed. Right, off to develop some of those critical thinking skills, sure there must be a Facebook group somewhere.... | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
No one is not ‘relaxed’ if you’re going to joke at least make it a good one / funny one / one that makes sense / use a smiley face / context?? "You cannot blame me if the vaccine has had a detrimental effect on your sense of humour  | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments
Oh the irony, is is those that are so easily fooled and manipulated by miss information on social media that lack critical thinking skills!!
Yep, must be my critical thinking skills at fault and probably lack of them.
But, god forbid and taking lack of lots of skills into account, I always thought a joke should make you laugh not have to read it over again slack jawed.
Right, off to develop some of those critical thinking skills, sure there must be a Facebook group somewhere.... "While youre at it...make sure to complain to your neighbour about the tories duping you at election only to increase NI lol But not lie to you and lve amd care for you enough to twist your arm into taking a vaccine lol | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments
I wonder why you question the vaccines when the information is entirely public. Literally ALL of the safety data / trial data and all sorts of literature on the mechanism the mRNA vaccines use is easily accessed. There is nothing to suggest anything sinister and ALL peer reviewed work shows vaccines are safe and effective.
Are you listening to yourself..repeating the govt mantra.
Answer this without screwing up.
How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines?
I don't. But I also don't know the long term effects of covid. So I am having to balance up two unknowns. I'd suggest you'd need to do the same and ask hkuysekf how do you know the long term effects of catching covid.
(You'd also need to define what is long term too). "When balancing up the unknowns, my reasoning includes that: (a) The virus has come about by a process of evolution, where the form that survives and thrives most is always the one that more easily infects and colonises the cells of the body. There is no benefit to the virus of the body living beyond the time that the virus takes to multiply and get breathed/coughed out onto new hosts. The whole evolutionary purpose of the virus is to destroy the cells of the host, to a large extent if the host survives that is a failure of the virus. (b) The vaccines have come about by a process of human design, where the ones that proceed through to manufacture and distribution are those that have passed every safety test that very clever people can think of to throw at them. The manufacturing process is continuously reviewed to ensure the vaccines do not get contaminated or degraded, and that the product is as close as humanly possible to the original formulation. Also, those clever people perform ongoing testing of vaccine and virus, in order to update the formulation if the virus has changed, with any changes that are made subjected to yet more rigourous trials of safety. So the question is really what do you have more faith in? A virus designed by the universe to kill body cells, which continuously mutates so that by definition it is utterly impossible to predict what long term effects it will have even if first infection appears to clear up (many other types of virus are well known to hide dormant in the body for years and then cause severe problems later in life). Or a vaccine that every effort has been made to make it as safe as possible, to be able to check what changes it does make to the body (ie what antibodies are produced, in what levels, by exactly what types of cells etc), and that is going to continue to be watched over. My preference is to believe that human beings might be doing a better job at trying to keep me alive. If I need antibodies to stay healthy, I want the artificial ones that come with minimised side effects, rather than the natural ones that I can only get by surviving a virus that really is doing the best it can to kill me. | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).
Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.
Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’
Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...
Just when you think you've heard it all...
I know what a random comment
Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!
Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow
And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments
I wonder why you question the vaccines when the information is entirely public. Literally ALL of the safety data / trial data and all sorts of literature on the mechanism the mRNA vaccines use is easily accessed. There is nothing to suggest anything sinister and ALL peer reviewed work shows vaccines are safe and effective.
Are you listening to yourself..repeating the govt mantra.
Answer this without screwing up.
How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines?
I don't. But I also don't know the long term effects of covid. So I am having to balance up two unknowns. I'd suggest you'd need to do the same and ask hkuysekf how do you know the long term effects of catching covid.
(You'd also need to define what is long term too).
When balancing up the unknowns, my reasoning includes that:
(a) The virus has come about by a process of evolution, where the form that survives and thrives most is always the one that more easily infects and colonises the cells of the body. There is no benefit to the virus of the body living beyond the time that the virus takes to multiply and get breathed/coughed out onto new hosts. The whole evolutionary purpose of the virus is to destroy the cells of the host, to a large extent if the host survives that is a failure of the virus.
(b) The vaccines have come about by a process of human design, where the ones that proceed through to manufacture and distribution are those that have passed every safety test that very clever people can think of to throw at them. The manufacturing process is continuously reviewed to ensure the vaccines do not get contaminated or degraded, and that the product is as close as humanly possible to the original formulation. Also, those clever people perform ongoing testing of vaccine and virus, in order to update the formulation if the virus has changed, with any changes that are made subjected to yet more rigourous trials of safety.
So the question is really what do you have more faith in? A virus designed by the universe to kill body cells, which continuously mutates so that by definition it is utterly impossible to predict what long term effects it will have even if first infection appears to clear up (many other types of virus are well known to hide dormant in the body for years and then cause severe problems later in life). Or a vaccine that every effort has been made to make it as safe as possible, to be able to check what changes it does make to the body (ie what antibodies are produced, in what levels, by exactly what types of cells etc), and that is going to continue to be watched over.
My preference is to believe that human beings might be doing a better job at trying to keep me alive. If I need antibodies to stay healthy, I want the artificial ones that come with minimised side effects, rather than the natural ones that I can only get by surviving a virus that really is doing the best it can to kill me."You know what? I think that is the best, most well thought out and most precisely worded comment that I have ever seen on this Virus section. | |||
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"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions. We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?. Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap. " A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there. | |||
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"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions. We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?. Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap. " let's agree common ground. Most of us agree in the major stuff but disagree on the minors or how to acheiev the majors. | |||
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"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions. We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?. Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap. A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there. " We're of the opinion when you treat citizens like children you shouldn't be surprised when they act like it. Sage had to many social scientists working out how the state can fear you to death because fundamentally they personally believe in control and authoritarianism and sooner or later even children see through the fear and your just left looking dishonest. | |||
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"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow... The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow... But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies... So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid? " I don't think people are stupid, I just think that people like to believe in order and control. If the government line does not work for you then a conspiracy still offers order and control, just one you can object to. For me the reality is that we are subject to disorder and chaos and that any actions are mostly reactionary to try and bring back some sense of stability and order as this comforts people. | |||
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"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions. We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?. Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap. A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there. We're of the opinion when you treat citizens like children you shouldn't be surprised when they act like it. Sage had to many social scientists working out how the state can fear you to death because fundamentally they personally believe in control and authoritarianism and sooner or later even children see through the fear and your just left looking dishonest. " I'm not sure people have been treated like children tbh. From day 1 of the pandemic a lot of people have taken the selfish "fuck you" approach and decided to do what they wanted for themselves, totally disregarding scientific advice/government rules and the safety of others in society. The amount of people defying guidance/lockdowns etc showed that we have a large number of selfish (and to use a phrase from elsewhere on this thread) "fucktards" who quite frankly should've been hammered at an earlier stage and treated more like children. We'd have been in a far better place now if these people would've just done as they were told and not found any excuse they could think of not to comply. It's just plain ignorance and disregard for others and yet those who contributed to the spread are always the first ones to complain about their "rights" etc. | |||
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"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions. We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?. Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap. A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there. We're of the opinion when you treat citizens like children you shouldn't be surprised when they act like it. Sage had to many social scientists working out how the state can fear you to death because fundamentally they personally believe in control and authoritarianism and sooner or later even children see through the fear and your just left looking dishonest. I'm not sure people have been treated like children tbh. From day 1 of the pandemic a lot of people have taken the selfish "fuck you" approach and decided to do what they wanted for themselves, totally disregarding scientific advice/government rules and the safety of others in society. The amount of people defying guidance/lockdowns etc showed that we have a large number of selfish (and to use a phrase from elsewhere on this thread) "fucktards" who quite frankly should've been hammered at an earlier stage and treated more like children. We'd have been in a far better place now if these people would've just done as they were told and not found any excuse they could think of not to comply. It's just plain ignorance and disregard for others and yet those who contributed to the spread are always the first ones to complain about their "rights" etc." Always wondered why politicians treat us all like children and with so much contempt. This last couple of years has put that question to bed, I'd do exactly the same. Sadly, I've become a tad more selfish and think of me and my own first. Will this change diminish with time, maybe. But, kind of enjoying this new me. Have I been a bit of a mug all these years ?? | |||
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"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions. We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?. Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap. " yep pretty much,we have a period of where everything rubs along nicley then every so often things come along and it forces people to pick sides,then what happens is usually the majority come out on top,trick is to pick the winning side,or not pick a side and watch the madness begin | |||
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"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions. We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?. Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap. A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there. We're of the opinion when you treat citizens like children you shouldn't be surprised when they act like it. Sage had to many social scientists working out how the state can fear you to death because fundamentally they personally believe in control and authoritarianism and sooner or later even children see through the fear and your just left looking dishonest. I'm not sure people have been treated like children tbh. From day 1 of the pandemic a lot of people have taken the selfish "fuck you" approach and decided to do what they wanted for themselves, totally disregarding scientific advice/government rules and the safety of others in society. The amount of people defying guidance/lockdowns etc showed that we have a large number of selfish (and to use a phrase from elsewhere on this thread) "fucktards" who quite frankly should've been hammered at an earlier stage and treated more like children. We'd have been in a far better place now if these people would've just done as they were told and not found any excuse they could think of not to comply. It's just plain ignorance and disregard for others and yet those who contributed to the spread are always the first ones to complain about their "rights" etc. Always wondered why politicians treat us all like children and with so much contempt. This last couple of years has put that question to bed, I'd do exactly the same. Sadly, I've become a tad more selfish and think of me and my own first. Will this change diminish with time, maybe. But, kind of enjoying this new me. Have I been a bit of a mug all these years ??" I agree. But think it's a toxic and unhealthy culture. You can't heal divisions by telling and legislating that people must not be divided but must all work towards a common definition of success. You have to create a culture and environment that people want to share and be a part of. We have a lot of malcontents who have got way too much and too disruptive an influence.. And a void where leadership should be. | |||
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"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow... The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow... But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies... So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid? " I think there are two separate cases…. Scientists working dependent on raw data…. Government work on policy and their own good!!! | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck? "haha, perfectly put and this virus section is perfect example of that. dont see why all cant come together and co-operate and work together to come to a solution. a peaceful one. | |||
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"I don’t think anyone is stupid just have my own views. Can’t trust the government with medicine the Tuskegee Experiment is one of the reasons BAME communities don’t trust the CDC and other health organisations. After 25 years of lies deceit and 400 people affected all that was offered was an apology " Please tuskegee please explain may help understand your point | |||
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"I don’t think anyone is stupid just have my own views. Can’t trust the government with medicine the Tuskegee Experiment is one of the reasons BAME communities don’t trust the CDC and other health organisations. After 25 years of lies deceit and 400 people affected all that was offered was an apology Please tuskegee please explain may help understand your point" The name of the CDC sanctioned experiment is there if you want to know more google is your friend | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
haha, perfectly put and this virus section is perfect example of that.
dont see why all cant come together and co-operate and work together to come to a solution. a peaceful one."I know! It’s because apparently one of the side effects of Covid existing is self righteousness | |||
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"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep. I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality) I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way We’re too quick to assume We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon! Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?
haha, perfectly put and this virus section is perfect example of that.
dont see why all cant come together and co-operate and work together to come to a solution. a peaceful one.
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"Division was ways going to happen. Neither side is prepared to listen to the other. Those in favour of the vaccine obviously have the power of the government and the establishment on their side and will not listen to anybody who descents one bit. You only need to read the threads in this forum to see that. I would likened it to the white feather given to men during world war 1 who were not in uniform. It about shaming them. The anti-vaxers are just as misguided in my view but the are some who are justifiably reluctant to take vaccine but should be for a rational discussion not as it is at present a case of who can shout loudest for longest." I think there is a difference between listening to a reasoned argument. Eg i am reluctant to take it as I the past a particular group was tested upon as part of a wider vaccine campaign. And treating all arguments even unreasonable ones with equal weighting Eg I won't take the vaccine as Bill Gates is behind it all in an effort to make the human race impotent. One of these has good reason to be doubtful and I can accept this would prevent some getting the vaccine dispite any health benefits. The other is made up nonsense and you can't really treat them with equal validity | |||
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"Division was ways going to happen. Neither side is prepared to listen to the other. Those in favour of the vaccine obviously have the power of the government and the establishment on their side and will not listen to anybody who descents one bit. You only need to read the threads in this forum to see that. I would likened it to the white feather given to men during world war 1 who were not in uniform. It about shaming them. The anti-vaxers are just as misguided in my view but the are some who are justifiably reluctant to take vaccine but should be for a rational discussion not as it is at present a case of who can shout loudest for longest. I think there is a difference between listening to a reasoned argument. Eg i am reluctant to take it as I the past a particular group was tested upon as part of a wider vaccine campaign. And treating all arguments even unreasonable ones with equal weighting Eg I won't take the vaccine as Bill Gates is behind it all in an effort to make the human race impotent. One of these has good reason to be doubtful and I can accept this would prevent some getting the vaccine dispite any health benefits. The other is made up nonsense and you can't really treat them with equal validity " Which is why I said some are justifiable. Where I work we have a department where the first person to have the jab nearly died. This obviously made the rest of the department very nervous and reluctant to take the vaccine. You listen to some and they should be dragged kicking and screaming to the vaccination centre, they are selfish morons who if they won't have the vaccine should be locked up at best or be lined up against a wall and shot. Now after we got some medical professionals in to discuss their concerns and the likes most I belive have had the jabs. It is about education and addressing issues sensibly which some on both sides are not prepared to do. | |||
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"Division was ways going to happen. Neither side is prepared to listen to the other. Those in favour of the vaccine obviously have the power of the government and the establishment on their side and will not listen to anybody who descents one bit. You only need to read the threads in this forum to see that. I would likened it to the white feather given to men during world war 1 who were not in uniform. It about shaming them. The anti-vaxers are just as misguided in my view but the are some who are justifiably reluctant to take vaccine but should be for a rational discussion not as it is at present a case of who can shout loudest for longest. I think there is a difference between listening to a reasoned argument. Eg i am reluctant to take it as I the past a particular group was tested upon as part of a wider vaccine campaign. And treating all arguments even unreasonable ones with equal weighting Eg I won't take the vaccine as Bill Gates is behind it all in an effort to make the human race impotent. One of these has good reason to be doubtful and I can accept this would prevent some getting the vaccine dispite any health benefits. The other is made up nonsense and you can't really treat them with equal validity Which is why I said some are justifiable. Where I work we have a department where the first person to have the jab nearly died. This obviously made the rest of the department very nervous and reluctant to take the vaccine. You listen to some and they should be dragged kicking and screaming to the vaccination centre, they are selfish morons who if they won't have the vaccine should be locked up at best or be lined up against a wall and shot. Now after we got some medical professionals in to discuss their concerns and the likes most I belive have had the jabs. It is about education and addressing issues sensibly which some on both sides are not prepared to do." Yep there will be examples of logical issues with having a vaccine. But to be clear most people who object in these forums never give those logical reasons where you can say I see where you are coming from. | |||
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"Getting the vaccine doesn't mean you can't pass it on" (no shit Sherlock pt2)
Yes some people have genuine medical reasons why it's dangerous for them to have the vaccine (the same as people with allergies etc to other stuff) and everyone understands that.
It's the people that continue to stir shit with absolutely no scientific evidence that are getting people's backs up.
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