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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. " You get booster vaccines for flu, tetanus, hepB just to name a few so what's the issue ? | |||
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Some conditions, including Hepatitis B, require multiple doses, before the body produces full immunity. We should not expect that new conditions will just have 1 period of treatment, nor that the real world experience doesn't change how the medical treatments address them.
Israel and other countries successfully implemented passports to help the country stabilise, whilst citizens enjoyed the fuller freedoms of life. The UK may do the same, as we aren't very keen on keeping the economy shuttered, nor staying restricted.
If we had a flu pandemic that was catastrophic. It's feasible that we could see the annual flu jabs become more essential, to passport people to enjoy a fuller life. It's very likely that we'll see another catastrophic flu pandemic in the next few years and I'd expect governments to pursue measures similar to the current experience.
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"You will never be fully vaccinated unless the state says you are fully vaccinated. Centralised control of the population - social credit system." That is a good point too  | |||
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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. You get booster vaccines for flu, tetanus, hepB just to name a few so what's the issue ?" Yes you get those too, no issue, just that it means that those who have just 1 or 2 shots have the same status as one who havt got the jab there. | |||
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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. You get booster vaccines for flu, tetanus, hepB just to name a few so what's the issue ?Yes you get those too, no issue, just that it means that those who have just 1 or 2 shots have the same status as one who havt got the jab there." But surely that is for Israel to decide as a sovereign nation. We will make our own decisions. | |||
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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. You get booster vaccines for flu, tetanus, hepB just to name a few so what's the issue ?" I think the issue is simply developing policy on the hoof and misinformation /miscommunication. I have no issue if I'm given accurate and honest unbiassed information of the benefits to make my decision to have a medical procedure or not. As you mention tetanus... How often do you have a tetanus jab and how long does it protect you for? | |||
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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. You get booster vaccines for flu, tetanus, hepB just to name a few so what's the issue ? I think the issue is simply developing policy on the hoof and misinformation /miscommunication. I have no issue if I'm given accurate and honest unbiassed information of the benefits to make my decision to have a medical procedure or not. As you mention tetanus... How often do you have a tetanus jab and how long does it protect you for? " The information is laid out on the NHS website. It's where I'd go if I wanted to find out. I've not needed to know in the UK, and Australia is slightly different. (If memory serves, my schedule ran something like infancy, 15 - I remember that - and I got one off schedule at 23. It was common to say, when someone got a cut involving the garden, wood or rust, go to the doctor and get a tetanus shot, but I have no personal experience of doing so) With Covid, we don't have the years of experience we do with other diseases or vaccines, and obviously decisions need to be made. | |||
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"You will never be fully vaccinated unless the state says you are fully vaccinated. Centralised control of the population - social credit system." | |||
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"You will never be fully vaccinated unless the state says you are fully vaccinated. Centralised control of the population - social credit system." One of the reasons why I am against Vaccine Passports, you can never trust a government to stop at the inch they will always take the whole mile (and more). | |||
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"You will never be fully vaccinated unless the state says you are fully vaccinated. Centralised control of the population - social credit system. One of the reasons why I am against Vaccine Passports, you can never trust a government to stop at the inch they will always take the whole mile (and more). " Interesting as this was a line used when lockdowns where put in place. There was lots of talk about our hard won freedoms never coming back once they were gone. Interestingly no one came back to say they were wrong and the lockdown were indeed only a temporary measure as the government had said. Very easy to say don't trust X, Y or z. But actually most of the time the fear of big government actually does not match the reality of its capabilities or desires. | |||
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"You will never be fully vaccinated unless the state says you are fully vaccinated. Centralised control of the population - social credit system. One of the reasons why I am against Vaccine Passports, you can never trust a government to stop at the inch they will always take the whole mile (and more). Interesting as this was a line used when lockdowns where put in place. There was lots of talk about our hard won freedoms never coming back once they were gone. Interestingly no one came back to say they were wrong and the lockdown were indeed only a temporary measure as the government had said. Very easy to say don't trust X, Y or z. But actually most of the time the fear of big government actually does not match the reality of its capabilities or desires. " Yep, when there’s a choice between conspiracy or cock up it’s unlikely to ever not be the latter. We have a government full of over privileged, under qualified toadies who are in their roles because of their devotion to Brexit rather than any discernible talent. To say there is some sort of grand conspiracy is a) giving them far too much credit, and b) making a foolish assumption that they need to conspire - they don’t, they have an 80 seat majority and they will show you exactly what freedoms they are going to take away from you. | |||
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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. You get booster vaccines for flu, tetanus, hepB just to name a few so what's the issue ?" The difference is you’re not fired from your job and denied entry and freedom for not taking the ones you mentioned. | |||
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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. " If you’re vaccinated against Hepatitis you require a booster every 5 years, the flu jab is updated and rolled out every 12 months. It’s likely the covid jab will need boosters or updates as new variants arise... that’s been talked about since day one. | |||
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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. You get booster vaccines for flu, tetanus, hepB just to name a few so what's the issue ? The difference is you’re not fired from your job and denied entry and freedom for not taking the ones you mentioned." Where are you denied entry for not having the vaccine ? | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ???" Perhaps the problem is that we crave certainty in what is a chaotic and uncertain world. If we stopped believing people who talk with certainty about uncertain things then we’d not be disappointed quite so often. Things change, that’s the one constant. | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ???" Let’s be honest, the government have fucked this up from the start and are just winging it, it’s not a ‘control master plan ‘ just ineptitude | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Let’s be honest, the government have fucked this up from the start and are just winging it, it’s not a ‘control master plan ‘ just ineptitude " Yeah. It's "I'll do my homework. Uh, I left it at home. uh... Look, the dog ate it!" | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Let’s be honest, the government have fucked this up from the start and are just winging it, it’s not a ‘control master plan ‘ just ineptitude Yeah. It's "I'll do my homework. Uh, I left it at home. uh... Look, the dog ate it!"" Open schools , 3 days later , close schools, etc etc etc | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there." Why? | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? " Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport." If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 " The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Perhaps the problem is that we crave certainty in what is a chaotic and uncertain world. If we stopped believing people who talk with certainty about uncertain things then we’d not be disappointed quite so often. Things change, that’s the one constant." One of the most sensible and wise comments on all the virus forums. People love certainty if things get out of control then a conspiracy comforts people as they can believe that someone is controlling everything even if it is not to their liking. The truth is that control and stability are illusions, that humans create to their own individual narratives. | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Perhaps the problem is that we crave certainty in what is a chaotic and uncertain world. If we stopped believing people who talk with certainty about uncertain things then we’d not be disappointed quite so often. Things change, that’s the one constant. One of the most sensible and wise comments on all the virus forums. People love certainty if things get out of control then a conspiracy comforts people as they can believe that someone is controlling everything even if it is not to their liking. The truth is that control and stability are illusions, that humans create to their own individual narratives. " It wiould be foolish for anyone in a situation like this to make comments with any certainty but the blustering buffoon in Number 10 just couldn't help himself. If the situation or the evidence changes it would be ridiculous not to change the plan. People are seeing a conspiracy when what is happening is the result of an incompetent government not following the science and dithering. Whilst the specific results of their incompetence were difficult to accurately predict what was fairly easy to predict was that things would get worse and the whol;e thing would drag on longer. | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Perhaps the problem is that we crave certainty in what is a chaotic and uncertain world. If we stopped believing people who talk with certainty about uncertain things then we’d not be disappointed quite so often. Things change, that’s the one constant. One of the most sensible and wise comments on all the virus forums. People love certainty if things get out of control then a conspiracy comforts people as they can believe that someone is controlling everything even if it is not to their liking. The truth is that control and stability are illusions, that humans create to their own individual narratives. It wiould be foolish for anyone in a situation like this to make comments with any certainty but the blustering buffoon in Number 10 just couldn't help himself. If the situation or the evidence changes it would be ridiculous not to change the plan. People are seeing a conspiracy when what is happening is the result of an incompetent government not following the science and dithering. Whilst the specific results of their incompetence were difficult to accurately predict what was fairly easy to predict was that things would get worse and the whol;e thing would drag on longer." Which / whose science should we be following.? Scientists have differing opinions.. Lockdown... Don't lock down... Herd immunity... Zero covid... Quarantine arrivals... Don't quarantine arrivals... Vax kids... Don't vax kids... And on it goes. | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. " Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated " and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? " I don’t live in Israel, do you need a covid passport ? Or can you just have a test instead? | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Perhaps the problem is that we crave certainty in what is a chaotic and uncertain world. If we stopped believing people who talk with certainty about uncertain things then we’d not be disappointed quite so often. Things change, that’s the one constant. One of the most sensible and wise comments on all the virus forums. People love certainty if things get out of control then a conspiracy comforts people as they can believe that someone is controlling everything even if it is not to their liking. The truth is that control and stability are illusions, that humans create to their own individual narratives. It wiould be foolish for anyone in a situation like this to make comments with any certainty but the blustering buffoon in Number 10 just couldn't help himself. If the situation or the evidence changes it would be ridiculous not to change the plan. People are seeing a conspiracy when what is happening is the result of an incompetent government not following the science and dithering. Whilst the specific results of their incompetence were difficult to accurately predict what was fairly easy to predict was that things would get worse and the whol;e thing would drag on longer. Which / whose science should we be following.? Scientists have differing opinions.. Lockdown... Don't lock down... Herd immunity... Zero covid... Quarantine arrivals... Don't quarantine arrivals... Vax kids... Don't vax kids... And on it goes. " Not the grifters on YouTube out to make quick buck. Sadly this nonsensical argument is used when it comes to climate change too, despite the vast majority of scientists also being agreed on that subject. | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Perhaps the problem is that we crave certainty in what is a chaotic and uncertain world. If we stopped believing people who talk with certainty about uncertain things then we’d not be disappointed quite so often. Things change, that’s the one constant. One of the most sensible and wise comments on all the virus forums. People love certainty if things get out of control then a conspiracy comforts people as they can believe that someone is controlling everything even if it is not to their liking. The truth is that control and stability are illusions, that humans create to their own individual narratives. It wiould be foolish for anyone in a situation like this to make comments with any certainty but the blustering buffoon in Number 10 just couldn't help himself. If the situation or the evidence changes it would be ridiculous not to change the plan. People are seeing a conspiracy when what is happening is the result of an incompetent government not following the science and dithering. Whilst the specific results of their incompetence were difficult to accurately predict what was fairly easy to predict was that things would get worse and the whol;e thing would drag on longer. Which / whose science should we be following.? Scientists have differing opinions.. Lockdown... Don't lock down... Herd immunity... Zero covid... Quarantine arrivals... Don't quarantine arrivals... Vax kids... Don't vax kids... And on it goes. Not the grifters on YouTube out to make quick buck. Sadly this nonsensical argument is used when it comes to climate change too, despite the vast majority of scientists also being agreed on that subject." So is it that the govt aren't following the "right" scientists... The ones who insisted initially on 3 weeks between 1st and 2nd jabs as an example.? Science is surely just one of the many inputs into the decision making process? Sometimes it is given more weight and sometime less? Even if there was only one scientific truth... It's not however the only thing that is needed to make decisions. Not that I'm defending this shower... But also I don't worship at the alter of scientists either. | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? I don’t live in Israel, do you need a covid passport ? Or can you just have a test instead? " Faced with the possibility of this being implemented in the UK, and with no other option than vaccination to achieve a covid pass, this scenario wouldn't concern you? not even raise an eyebrow? | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Perhaps the problem is that we crave certainty in what is a chaotic and uncertain world. If we stopped believing people who talk with certainty about uncertain things then we’d not be disappointed quite so often. Things change, that’s the one constant. One of the most sensible and wise comments on all the virus forums. People love certainty if things get out of control then a conspiracy comforts people as they can believe that someone is controlling everything even if it is not to their liking. The truth is that control and stability are illusions, that humans create to their own individual narratives. It wiould be foolish for anyone in a situation like this to make comments with any certainty but the blustering buffoon in Number 10 just couldn't help himself. If the situation or the evidence changes it would be ridiculous not to change the plan. People are seeing a conspiracy when what is happening is the result of an incompetent government not following the science and dithering. Whilst the specific results of their incompetence were difficult to accurately predict what was fairly easy to predict was that things would get worse and the whol;e thing would drag on longer. Which / whose science should we be following.? Scientists have differing opinions.. Lockdown... Don't lock down... Herd immunity... Zero covid... Quarantine arrivals... Don't quarantine arrivals... Vax kids... Don't vax kids... And on it goes. Not the grifters on YouTube out to make quick buck. Sadly this nonsensical argument is used when it comes to climate change too, despite the vast majority of scientists also being agreed on that subject. So is it that the govt aren't following the "right" scientists... The ones who insisted initially on 3 weeks between 1st and 2nd jabs as an example.? Science is surely just one of the many inputs into the decision making process? Sometimes it is given more weight and sometime less? Even if there was only one scientific truth... It's not however the only thing that is needed to make decisions. Not that I'm defending this shower... But also I don't worship at the alter of scientists either. " Was it the scientists who said a three week lockdown would sort it or was there different input into that decision too? One thing we have learned over the last 18 months is that the government didn’t always follow the science, and in an evolving crisis consistently waiter too long when the scientists were telling them to take action. Scientists are not infallible but when there is a consensus about things, as there largely has been over Covid, I will take notice. | |||
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"I read the article in the walls street journal and I was surprised to know that apparently in israel one isnt vaccinated with 2 shots, but now they are required to have 3 shots, that is to those of the holders of the vaccine passport, they have to get the 3rd one within 6 months, what do you think of this? I can see a pattern forming here. You get booster vaccines for flu, tetanus, hepB just to name a few so what's the issue ?" Out of those only ever had a tetanus jab.....and nobody ever has asked me about wether I'd had any of those you mention to go to watch a concert?? Gargantuan Difference | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? I don’t live in Israel, do you need a covid passport ? Or can you just have a test instead? Faced with the possibility of this being implemented in the UK, and with no other option than vaccination to achieve a covid pass, this scenario wouldn't concern you? not even raise an eyebrow?" No. | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? I don’t live in Israel, do you need a covid passport ? Or can you just have a test instead? Faced with the possibility of this being implemented in the UK, and with no other option than vaccination to achieve a covid pass, this scenario wouldn't concern you? not even raise an eyebrow?" If the only way to get a covid pass was 3 jabs. And a covid pass became essential to live our lives. Yes it would be a huge issue. Right now I'm more interested in our own covid pass which only confers 180 days valididity from natural immunity but unlimited days from 2 jabs of vaccine? I mean how do they work that out? | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? I don’t live in Israel, do you need a covid passport ? Or can you just have a test instead? Faced with the possibility of this being implemented in the UK, and with no other option than vaccination to achieve a covid pass, this scenario wouldn't concern you? not even raise an eyebrow?" It’s all if buts and maybes, as it stands you aren’t restricted if you aren’t vaccinated , you can have a test instead | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? I don’t live in Israel, do you need a covid passport ? Or can you just have a test instead? Faced with the possibility of this being implemented in the UK, and with no other option than vaccination to achieve a covid pass, this scenario wouldn't concern you? not even raise an eyebrow? It’s all if buts and maybes, as it stands you aren’t restricted if you aren’t vaccinated , you can have a test instead That is incorrect as far as I know. It doesn't apply to Israel and it doesn't apply to many venues here either including lifestyle venues. " You can either provide proof of vaccination or proof of a recent covid test | |||
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Well not all of us can be rebellious freedom fighters with greater expertise and knowledge than the world’s leading immunologists."rebelious freedom fighters lol what are you prattling on about,i listend to the scientists get two jabs to go back to normal turns out that was bollox,just three week lockdown to get on top of it yet here i am 18 months latter still not back working full time,who knows i may even be out of work when furlough ends.but yea there never wrong | |||
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Well not all of us can be rebellious freedom fighters with greater expertise and knowledge than the world’s leading immunologists.rebelious freedom fighters lol what are you prattling on about,i listend to the scientists get two jabs to go back to normal turns out that was bollox,just three week lockdown to get on top of it yet here i am 18 months latter still not back working full time,who knows i may even be out of work when furlough ends.but yea there never wrong"It’s almost as if it’s a novel virus that we’ve never dealt with before so the situation changes as the virus mutates. I can’t be sure though as unlike you I don’t know better than the immunologists and other scientists working to get us out of this mess. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues." I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly?" A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed?" Don’t blow their mind. They hadn’t yet considered the state may make them do something else to be a “first class citizen”. Nah, it’ll definitely stop at covid… just the two jabs… honest… oh sorry I forgot one booster. Just one booster….. oh crikey I forgot… and so on… Lockdown 2025: man in three masks and recipient of two jabs plus four booster says “you bloody stupid moronic double maskers! Where’s your third mask?! And you’ve only had two shots plus three boosts! It’s you triple boosters that are still causing these bloody restrictions, listen to the science for gods sake! Get your fourth booster so we can get out of this! Otherwise you’ll be banned from everywhere except Lidl for our safety! And what’s more, you deserve it! Bloody triple boosters, get your 4th! Listen to the science!” | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed?" You really think reducing the spread by keeping more susceptible people away from spreading events doesn't help the government? You think they don't want to stop haemorrhaging money? I'm currently excluded from the proposed system, btw, and I'm fine with it. | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? " I’m required to get a Hepatitis booster every 5 years or loose my job... why would I be concerned over that or indeed what is almost certain to happen that the C19 vax be required by law to work within the NHS. Bottom line is like every single one of my colleagues we wanted to be vaccinated as soon as possible for our own and our patients safety. We already know from the various antibody studies that we’d benefit from boosters and as such would like that ASAP to be blunt. ‘The State’ tells me not to drink drive, don’t own a firearm, don’t take Crystal meth etc... in honesty I’m fine with that and any scenario where they say I need to be vaccinated to work, it’s just common sense. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? You really think reducing the spread by keeping more susceptible people away from spreading events doesn't help the government? You think they don't want to stop haemorrhaging money? I'm currently excluded from the proposed system, btw, and I'm fine with it. " But how many people will actually be excluded though? And will they really make that much difference to the spread of covid? | |||
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"The vaccinated have become the unvaccinated there. Why? Cos that is how it seems like when reading the article, like the 2 shots doesnt count as it is all about the 3rd one now to have the vaccine passport. If your unvaccinated you will need 3 shots , if your vaccinated you will need 1 The underlying scenario may be suggesting that for the purposes of your digital id/covid passit will not be considered valid unless you have all the shots as prescribed by the state. 2 shots no booster - covid pass shows red - same as someone who has not received any shots. Yep, so you will need 3 shots if your unvaccinated and keep receiving future shots as required by the state in order to keep your covid pass valid. this doesn't concern you at all, not in the slightest? I’m required to get a Hepatitis booster every 5 years or loose my job... why would I be concerned over that or indeed what is almost certain to happen that the C19 vax be required by law to work within the NHS. Bottom line is like every single one of my colleagues we wanted to be vaccinated as soon as possible for our own and our patients safety. We already know from the various antibody studies that we’d benefit from boosters and as such would like that ASAP to be blunt. ‘The State’ tells me not to drink drive, don’t own a firearm, don’t take Crystal meth etc... in honesty I’m fine with that and any scenario where they say I need to be vaccinated to work, it’s just common sense. " Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? You really think reducing the spread by keeping more susceptible people away from spreading events doesn't help the government? You think they don't want to stop haemorrhaging money? I'm currently excluded from the proposed system, btw, and I'm fine with it. But how many people will actually be excluded though? And will they really make that much difference to the spread of covid? " Depends on a variety of factors. It is one method which may reduce the spread. It's better than more lockdowns. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future." The “choices have consequences” argument is utter bull. It could literally be used to justify anything. Literally anything. In China you have the choice to practice religions, but if you choose to, you might be put in a concentration camp. Oh but choices have consequences, that’s fine then!! Crack on!! Jesus Christ… | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future." Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? You really think reducing the spread by keeping more susceptible people away from spreading events doesn't help the government? You think they don't want to stop haemorrhaging money? I'm currently excluded from the proposed system, btw, and I'm fine with it. But how many people will actually be excluded though? And will they really make that much difference to the spread of covid? Depends on a variety of factors. It is one method which may reduce the spread. It's better than more lockdowns." Further lockdowns will be ignored by most of the population anyway. Like the last one, but even more so. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. The “choices have consequences” argument is utter bull. It could literally be used to justify anything. Literally anything. In China you have the choice to practice religions, but if you choose to, you might be put in a concentration camp. Oh but choices have consequences, that’s fine then!! Crack on!! Jesus Christ…" Do we live in China? | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. The “choices have consequences” argument is utter bull. It could literally be used to justify anything. Literally anything. In China you have the choice to practice religions, but if you choose to, you might be put in a concentration camp. Oh but choices have consequences, that’s fine then!! Crack on!! Jesus Christ…" I think the slippery slope argument is a bit crap, but anyway. So choices don't have consequences. I can eat chocolate all day and not get fat, yes? Steal and not get arrested? Taxes should be abolished. Where might they lead? Maybe the state will take all your money and murder your first born! Oh the humanity. Not the babies! Taxes are murder!  | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. The “choices have consequences” argument is utter bull. It could literally be used to justify anything. Literally anything. In China you have the choice to practice religions, but if you choose to, you might be put in a concentration camp. Oh but choices have consequences, that’s fine then!! Crack on!! Jesus Christ… Do we live in China?" No, but if that’s the point you’ve taken from my post, my god i give up!  | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. The “choices have consequences” argument is utter bull. It could literally be used to justify anything. Literally anything. In China you have the choice to practice religions, but if you choose to, you might be put in a concentration camp. Oh but choices have consequences, that’s fine then!! Crack on!! Jesus Christ… Do we live in China?" I think the argument is if you opt of the public good for personal gain, it has consequences, otherwise we'd all do it. Say, allowing someone off paying taxes. Or breaking the law. I'd be hard pushed to argue why atheiwm serves the common good and religious types are getting a free ride. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. The “choices have consequences” argument is utter bull. It could literally be used to justify anything. Literally anything. In China you have the choice to practice religions, but if you choose to, you might be put in a concentration camp. Oh but choices have consequences, that’s fine then!! Crack on!! Jesus Christ… I think the slippery slope argument is a bit crap, but anyway. So choices don't have consequences. I can eat chocolate all day and not get fat, yes? Steal and not get arrested? Taxes should be abolished. Where might they lead? Maybe the state will take all your money and murder your first born! Oh the humanity. Not the babies! Taxes are murder! "Using the choices have consequences argument to segregate society is twisted. There is nothing wrong with choosing not to have the vaccine, and if you can’t see the issue with making people second class citizens for a perfectly reasonable choice (their body, not the states), there’s no helping you. | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference." There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. The “choices have consequences” argument is utter bull. It could literally be used to justify anything. Literally anything. In China you have the choice to practice religions, but if you choose to, you might be put in a concentration camp. Oh but choices have consequences, that’s fine then!! Crack on!! Jesus Christ… I think the slippery slope argument is a bit crap, but anyway. So choices don't have consequences. I can eat chocolate all day and not get fat, yes? Steal and not get arrested? Taxes should be abolished. Where might they lead? Maybe the state will take all your money and murder your first born! Oh the humanity. Not the babies! Taxes are murder!
Using the choices have consequences argument to segregate society is twisted. There is nothing wrong with choosing not to have the vaccine, and if you can’t see the issue with making people second class citizens for a perfectly reasonable choice (their body, not the states), there’s no helping you."Ok | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. And if you don’t, you aren’t banned from places. You were aware of the requirement for the job." You know job requirements can change, right? Are you putting nightclub attendance above someone's livelihood? Charli could lose her job - apparently fine People might not be able to go to a night club - apparently not fine. ... Not in my world? You tend to need jobs to pay for clubbing? | |||
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"If I recall, day one was … Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve which then became… tiers Just through winter which led to… Just until Easter And … Just until over 70’s are vaccinated Which then became… Just until you’re all vaccinated. we are now at … Just until variants are known and places us deep in the cavern of… Just until ??? Just one more lockdown… Just one more hit… Not for me, not this time with you on this i wont be taking any notice if we lockdown again,get two jabs to get back to normal yea righto,wont be having any more jabs either,if its not working properly after two it never will Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. Nice! Looking forward to a segregated society. How decent of you…. You forgot vile and fascist, I wouldn’t want you to break your streak.its good you recognise this in yourself
Well not all of us can be rebellious freedom fighters with greater expertise and knowledge than the world’s leading immunologists.rebelious freedom fighters lol what are you prattling on about,i listend to the scientists get two jabs to go back to normal turns out that was bollox,just three week lockdown to get on top of it yet here i am 18 months latter still not back working full time,who knows i may even be out of work when furlough ends.but yea there never wrong
It’s almost as if it’s a novel virus that we’ve never dealt with before so the situation changes as the virus mutates. I can’t be sure though as unlike you I don’t know better than the immunologists and other scientists working to get us out of this mess."i didnt say i knew better i was just pointing out we have been doing everything that was asked,two jabs thats all oh sorry your gona need a third,no covid passports oops sorry your gona need to present your papers,telling people 3 weeks between shots then when the gov decided to lengthen it the scientists were aghast like loads on here were,turns out they was wrong about that,i know science is a good thing just some on here take them at there word and wont belive that sometimes they get things wrong,but you carry on looking down your nose at people if they dont agree with you,surprised you aint told me to stop watching youtube or reading stuff on faceache,thats the usual go to on here | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. " The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. And if you don’t, you aren’t banned from places. You were aware of the requirement for the job." But a hep vaccination hasn’t always been a requirement, and at some point there will be another requirement. Yet you don’t seem to be bothered about about the rights of people with hepatitis to work in the NHS. | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. And if you don’t, you aren’t banned from places. You were aware of the requirement for the job. You know job requirements can change, right? Are you putting nightclub attendance above someone's livelihood? Charli could lose her job - apparently fine People might not be able to go to a night club - apparently not fine. ... Not in my world? You tend to need jobs to pay for clubbing?" It won’t stop at night clubs. We’re talking about society as a whole and banning people from places for not proving a medical intervention (which is private). How people can think this is ok is beyond me. I suspect when such segregation occurs, there will be seriously bad repercussions. | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. And if you don’t, you aren’t banned from places. You were aware of the requirement for the job. You know job requirements can change, right? Are you putting nightclub attendance above someone's livelihood? Charli could lose her job - apparently fine People might not be able to go to a night club - apparently not fine. ... Not in my world? You tend to need jobs to pay for clubbing? It won’t stop at night clubs. We’re talking about society as a whole and banning people from places for not proving a medical intervention (which is private). How people can think this is ok is beyond me. I suspect when such segregation occurs, there will be seriously bad repercussions." Yeah, the slippery slope argument is a fallacy for a reason. Until that happens (if it happens), can we agree that having a job is more important than going clubbing? | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort." I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. And if you don’t, you aren’t banned from places. You were aware of the requirement for the job. And you’re aware of the requirements of the large venues from the end of the month, it’s your choice. C19 vaccination isn’t mandatory yet in our role, it will be in the future though... should we be outraged at that? As a potential patient do you not think it’s fair to insist we present a minimal threat to your health? And If so, why can’t the public expect the same level of caution at high risk venues or events? I absolutely think that it comes with the territory in health and social care - that there's an ethical obligation to not be a threat. (But if we're arguing job or club... That's daft)" Hope you’ve got a good plan when it causes a shortage of workers then. | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. And if you don’t, you aren’t banned from places. You were aware of the requirement for the job. And you’re aware of the requirements of the large venues from the end of the month, it’s your choice. C19 vaccination isn’t mandatory yet in our role, it will be in the future though... should we be outraged at that? As a potential patient do you not think it’s fair to insist we present a minimal threat to your health? And If so, why can’t the public expect the same level of caution at high risk venues or events? I absolutely think that it comes with the territory in health and social care - that there's an ethical obligation to not be a threat. (But if we're arguing job or club... That's daft) Hope you’ve got a good plan when it causes a shortage of workers then." I don't think most healthcare workers are against vaccination. Their education usually innoculates them against that sort of thing. And no, I'm afraid I don't have a plan based on my musings on the internet. Sorry about that  | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass." Choose to exclude???? Lol. You’re too far gone. Just too far gone. Absolute fascist insanity. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass." Some would argue it puts into an unfair position if they don’t want to be jabbed, although that’s another debate. But like you say, IF, restrictions come to pass. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Some would argue it puts into an unfair position if they don’t want to be jabbed, although that’s another debate. But like you say, IF, restrictions come to pass. " Potentially yes but then you could argue that people who live miles from anywhere and liked to drive to the pub, have 6 or 7 pints were put in an unfair position when drink driving laws came in. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Some would argue it puts into an unfair position if they don’t want to be jabbed, although that’s another debate. But like you say, IF, restrictions come to pass. Potentially yes but then you could argue that people who live miles from anywhere and liked to drive to the pub, have 6 or 7 pints were put in an unfair position when drink driving laws came in." But they don't want to drive home sober or pay for a cab. Vile segregationist fascism against rural people! | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Some would argue it puts into an unfair position if they don’t want to be jabbed, although that’s another debate. But like you say, IF, restrictions come to pass. Potentially yes but then you could argue that people who live miles from anywhere and liked to drive to the pub, have 6 or 7 pints were put in an unfair position when drink driving laws came in." New it wouldn’t take long for you to be ridiculous. Never mind. Enjoy the nightclub haha. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Choose to exclude???? Lol. You’re too far gone. Just too far gone. Absolute fascist insanity. But you will know the requirements for entry to certain events, just as Charli knows the requirements for her job. Oh that’s ok then! Lol. The Muslims in China know the requirements to stay out of “re-education camps”, that must be ok then! Medical history should not exclude you from places. It’s going to cause a two tier society, a hell of a lot of anger, further marginalisation of ethnic minorities, and probably significant problems at venues. And that’s just a few issues." I hope you're in favour of demolishing all listed buildings. A two tier society already exists - people literally can't get into places. I read a tweet the other day about a child in a wheelchair with no access to play equipment. What a terrible thing to do to a disabled child, to further exclude them. They should be allowed some fun. We should fight for their rights. They have been segregated long enough. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Choose to exclude???? Lol. You’re too far gone. Just too far gone. Absolute fascist insanity. But you will know the requirements for entry to certain events, just as Charli knows the requirements for her job. Oh that’s ok then! Lol. The Muslims in China know the requirements to stay out of “re-education camps”, that must be ok then! Medical history should not exclude you from places. It’s going to cause a two tier society, a hell of a lot of anger, further marginalisation of ethnic minorities, and probably significant problems at venues. And that’s just a few issues." So you’re saying you’d be happy to allow people who could have terrible diseases work in frontline healthcare then? After all it would be vile fascist segregation to exclude them on the basis of them not having a medical intervention? | |||
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"Medical records are private. Wearing shit clothes isn’t. The use of segregation isn’t laughable, it’s bang on. It’s gross." Have you ever travelled to Africa, South America etc? We’ve had decades of... you need to get vaccinated or medicate against XYZ to travel there from the U.K. do you consider that equally as outrageous or as you put it gross? | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Some would argue it puts into an unfair position if they don’t want to be jabbed, although that’s another debate. But like you say, IF, restrictions come to pass. Potentially yes but then you could argue that people who live miles from anywhere and liked to drive to the pub, have 6 or 7 pints were put in an unfair position when drink driving laws came in. New it wouldn’t take long for you to be ridiculous. Never mind. Enjoy the nightclub haha. " Why is it ridiculous? They were very unlikely to kill anyone on their way home. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Choose to exclude???? Lol. You’re too far gone. Just too far gone. Absolute fascist insanity. But you will know the requirements for entry to certain events, just as Charli knows the requirements for her job. Oh that’s ok then! Lol. The Muslims in China know the requirements to stay out of “re-education camps”, that must be ok then! Medical history should not exclude you from places. It’s going to cause a two tier society, a hell of a lot of anger, further marginalisation of ethnic minorities, and probably significant problems at venues. And that’s just a few issues. I hope you're in favour of demolishing all listed buildings. A two tier society already exists - people literally can't get into places. I read a tweet the other day about a child in a wheelchair with no access to play equipment. What a terrible thing to do to a disabled child, to further exclude them. They should be allowed some fun. We should fight for their rights. They have been segregated long enough." There are literally laws in place to try to help the disabled get in to places (some are obviously impossible). That’s called progress and inclusivity. Vaccine passports are literally doing the opposite! | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Choose to exclude???? Lol. You’re too far gone. Just too far gone. Absolute fascist insanity. But you will know the requirements for entry to certain events, just as Charli knows the requirements for her job. Oh that’s ok then! Lol. The Muslims in China know the requirements to stay out of “re-education camps”, that must be ok then! Medical history should not exclude you from places. It’s going to cause a two tier society, a hell of a lot of anger, further marginalisation of ethnic minorities, and probably significant problems at venues. And that’s just a few issues. So you’re saying you’d be happy to allow people who could have terrible diseases work in frontline healthcare then? After all it would be vile fascist segregation to exclude them on the basis of them not having a medical intervention?" If you’ve got a terrible disease you’re off work sick. Obviously! | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Choose to exclude???? Lol. You’re too far gone. Just too far gone. Absolute fascist insanity. But you will know the requirements for entry to certain events, just as Charli knows the requirements for her job. Oh that’s ok then! Lol. The Muslims in China know the requirements to stay out of “re-education camps”, that must be ok then! Medical history should not exclude you from places. It’s going to cause a two tier society, a hell of a lot of anger, further marginalisation of ethnic minorities, and probably significant problems at venues. And that’s just a few issues. I hope you're in favour of demolishing all listed buildings. A two tier society already exists - people literally can't get into places. I read a tweet the other day about a child in a wheelchair with no access to play equipment. What a terrible thing to do to a disabled child, to further exclude them. They should be allowed some fun. We should fight for their rights. They have been segregated long enough. There are literally laws in place to try to help the disabled get in to places (some are obviously impossible). That’s called progress and inclusivity. Vaccine passports are literally doing the opposite! A bulldozer fixes everything. Progress. There are never any reasons to exclude people. As you say, segregation is vile and fascist. It's not like the people in wheelchairs are making a choice to be outside of what's accessible. They can't help it." And that’s why there’s laws to help them be included, in as many circumstances as possible. Vaccine passports literally do the opposite. You are too far gone. You’d literally do anything the government tell you to do to “stop the spread”. There are no limits. You’ve lost it. | |||
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"You are aware that not drinking and driving doesn’t involve an injection that can have mad side effects? Are you really this thick or do you just pretend to be a health nazi? Actually I’m saying people with fading vision are required to have corrective surgery or wear glasses n order to continue as drivers. Those who experience mild heart conditions may no longer drive buses or HGV’s.... There’s a million and one variations of people banned from activity based on their medical conditions or indeed choices. " There are alternative jobs. There are not alternatives to being allowed freedom in normal society. It won’t stop at nightclubs. Guaranteed. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Choose to exclude???? Lol. You’re too far gone. Just too far gone. Absolute fascist insanity. But you will know the requirements for entry to certain events, just as Charli knows the requirements for her job. Oh that’s ok then! Lol. The Muslims in China know the requirements to stay out of “re-education camps”, that must be ok then! Medical history should not exclude you from places. It’s going to cause a two tier society, a hell of a lot of anger, further marginalisation of ethnic minorities, and probably significant problems at venues. And that’s just a few issues. I hope you're in favour of demolishing all listed buildings. A two tier society already exists - people literally can't get into places. I read a tweet the other day about a child in a wheelchair with no access to play equipment. What a terrible thing to do to a disabled child, to further exclude them. They should be allowed some fun. We should fight for their rights. They have been segregated long enough. There are literally laws in place to try to help the disabled get in to places (some are obviously impossible). That’s called progress and inclusivity. Vaccine passports are literally doing the opposite! A bulldozer fixes everything. Progress. There are never any reasons to exclude people. As you say, segregation is vile and fascist. It's not like the people in wheelchairs are making a choice to be outside of what's accessible. They can't help it. And that’s why there’s laws to help them be included, in as many circumstances as possible. Vaccine passports literally do the opposite. You are too far gone. You’d literally do anything the government tell you to do to “stop the spread”. There are no limits. You’ve lost it." Then why do old buildings get an exception? Isn't segregation wrong? We need to protect our society from this vile evil fascism. Demolish all buildings that don't have lift access - and all parks that don't accommodate children in wheelchairs. If it segregates then it's evil. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Some would argue it puts into an unfair position if they don’t want to be jabbed, although that’s another debate. But like you say, IF, restrictions come to pass. Potentially yes but then you could argue that people who live miles from anywhere and liked to drive to the pub, have 6 or 7 pints were put in an unfair position when drink driving laws came in. New it wouldn’t take long for you to be ridiculous. Never mind. Enjoy the nightclub haha. Why is it ridiculous? They were very unlikely to kill anyone on their way home." It’s ridiculous because it’s a poor comparison. I highly doubt banning unvaccinated people from nightclubs will save as many lives as banning d*unk driving. But I suppose that remains to be seen. | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. And if you don’t, you aren’t banned from places. You were aware of the requirement for the job. And you’re aware of the requirements of the large venues from the end of the month, it’s your choice. C19 vaccination isn’t mandatory yet in our role, it will be in the future though... should we be outraged at that? As a potential patient do you not think it’s fair to insist we present a minimal threat to your health? And If so, why can’t the public expect the same level of caution at high risk venues or events? I absolutely think that it comes with the territory in health and social care - that there's an ethical obligation to not be a threat. (But if we're arguing job or club... That's daft) Totally agree. It is what you make of a certain situation. Since we are talking about clubbing, if I am refused entry because of poor dress sense, can I talk about segregation? Of course I can. I can talk about segregation for days. But the use of the word segregation in this case is laughable even though I have been refused entry for a reason which is serious (like a medical reason is during a pandemic). Medical records are private. Wearing shit clothes isn’t. The use of segregation isn’t laughable, it’s bang on. It’s gross." There are hardly any similarities of segregations that took place in the past on whatever grounds. This is why I believe you are overstretching the use of the word. Segregations included beatings, exclusions from jobs, banning them from demonstrations, not allowing them to vote, putting people in restricted areas or camps against their will etc etc. You are not experiencing anything of these. so the use segregation is wrong. Being excluded is a much more appropriate expression for what you are feeling is going to happen. | |||
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"You are aware that not drinking and driving doesn’t involve an injection that can have mad side effects? Are you really this thick or do you just pretend to be a health nazi? Actually I’m saying people with fading vision are required to have corrective surgery or wear glasses n order to continue as drivers. Those who experience mild heart conditions may no longer drive buses or HGV’s.... There’s a million and one variations of people banned from activity based on their medical conditions or indeed choices. There are alternative jobs. There are not alternatives to being allowed freedom in normal society. It won’t stop at nightclubs. Guaranteed. So let me get this right, you are ok with people being forced to take alternative jobs but not ok with people having to find alternative entertainment?" That's the gist I'm getting too... | |||
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"Hepatitis booster die your job is not banning you from parts of society! Just a slight difference. There’s no difference at all, I am legally required to take adequate medical precautions to be in that position/scenario and maintain the health of those around me. And if you don’t, you aren’t banned from places. You were aware of the requirement for the job. And you’re aware of the requirements of the large venues from the end of the month, it’s your choice. C19 vaccination isn’t mandatory yet in our role, it will be in the future though... should we be outraged at that? As a potential patient do you not think it’s fair to insist we present a minimal threat to your health? And If so, why can’t the public expect the same level of caution at high risk venues or events? I absolutely think that it comes with the territory in health and social care - that there's an ethical obligation to not be a threat. (But if we're arguing job or club... That's daft) Totally agree. It is what you make of a certain situation. Since we are talking about clubbing, if I am refused entry because of poor dress sense, can I talk about segregation? Of course I can. I can talk about segregation for days. But the use of the word segregation in this case is laughable even though I have been refused entry for a reason which is serious (like a medical reason is during a pandemic). Medical records are private. Wearing shit clothes isn’t. The use of segregation isn’t laughable, it’s bang on. It’s gross. There are hardly any similarities of segregations that took place in the past on whatever grounds. This is why I believe you are overstretching the use of the word. Segregations included beatings, exclusions from jobs, banning them from demonstrations, not allowing them to vote, putting people in restricted areas or camps against their will etc etc. You are not experiencing anything of these. so the use segregation is wrong. Being excluded is a much more appropriate expression for what you are feeling is going to happen." Some of those are coming to the U.K. soon…. | |||
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"So let me get this right, you are ok with people being forced to take alternative jobs but not ok with people having to find alternative entertainment? That's the gist I'm getting too..." And has obviously never holidayed further than Skegness. I presume the ‘required medical criteria’ for overseas travel over the past decades has been a real bone on contention. | |||
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"You are aware that not drinking and driving doesn’t involve an injection that can have mad side effects? Are you really this thick or do you just pretend to be a health nazi? Actually I’m saying people with fading vision are required to have corrective surgery or wear glasses n order to continue as drivers. Those who experience mild heart conditions may no longer drive buses or HGV’s.... There’s a million and one variations of people banned from activity based on their medical conditions or indeed choices. There are alternative jobs. There are not alternatives to being allowed freedom in normal society. It won’t stop at nightclubs. Guaranteed. So let me get this right, you are ok with people being forced to take alternative jobs but not ok with people having to find alternative entertainment? That's the gist I'm getting too..." And that’s why there are laws about changing terms and conditions for jobs. You really need to think through the knock on effects of this. It’s not going to be nice. | |||
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" Excellent, more space at the bar for those of us who want to go out to public venues. I know it’s just another silly conspiracy but what if these “vaccine passports” evolve into health passes that extend beyond covid vaccination? What if you end up excluded from that very bar (or anywhere else) on government determined health grounds? I suppose it sounds daft at the minute but there was a time ministers said you’d never have to present covid papers and we’re just about there. Funny how quickly things can change. How does that benefit the government, exactly? A covid vaccine passport doesn’t benefit the government but they’re still doing it haha. That wasn’t the question though. Hypothetically, how would you feel if the passport scheme was extended to cover more and more aspects that put on you on the receiving end of exclusion? Would you be pleased other people have more space at the bar or would you be a bit miffed? I don’t work on hypotheticals, what the government is currently doing (badly) is attempting to balance the desire to open up and the need to protect public health. I have no desire to see Covid passports but as we have a minority of people who are choosing not to be vaccinated, and who are therefore at greater risk of spreading the virus, then we need to have some measures to prevent further spread and mutation. I’m also against mandatory vaccination as everyone should have the choice, we also need to accept that choices have consequences. I don’t disagree with the decision not to let epileptics or blind people drive because there are sound reasons behind the decision. It’s not fascism, it’s sensible public health measures. Just as I don’t think about how I’d feel if my uncle was my Aunty I don’t think about flights of fancy about what may or may not happen in the future. Ah well. Still not convinced excluding all the unvaccinated from certain things will reap many rewards. Not unless they all plan on going to the same nightclub on the same night which seems unlikely. And given that vaccinated people can still transmit it, there still the remains the potential for covid to mutate regardless. The chances of fully vaccinated people spreading the virus is greatly reduced, it’s part of a multi-pronged approach. Just as masks aren’t 100% effective, and social distancing isn’t 100% they are very effective when used in conjunction. Now if we use social distancing, mask wearing and vaccines it becomes more effective still. People want a silver bullet, ‘one simple trick’ to make Covid go away but that won’t happen, it’s going to take lots of things and a lot of effort. I’m aware nothing is 100% effective. It just seems to me like banning a small minority of people from a certain place will have a greater negative impact than a positive one. Nobody is being banned from anywhere, there’s a chance that people might choose to exclude themselves though, if restrictions come to pass. Some would argue it puts into an unfair position if they don’t want to be jabbed, although that’s another debate. But like you say, IF, restrictions come to pass. Potentially yes but then you could argue that people who live miles from anywhere and liked to drive to the pub, have 6 or 7 pints were put in an unfair position when drink driving laws came in. New it wouldn’t take long for you to be ridiculous. Never mind. Enjoy the nightclub haha. Why is it ridiculous? They were very unlikely to kill anyone on their way home. It’s ridiculous because it’s a poor comparison. I highly doubt banning unvaccinated people from nightclubs will save as many lives as banning d*unk driving. But I suppose that remains to be seen. " Both are public health measures and you’d be surprised at how few road deaths are caused by d*unk drivers. Stopping Covid in it’s tracks could potentially save 10s of thousands of lives. | |||
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