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By *irtyold man OP   Man
over a year ago

barnsley

It was anounced on the news at five on the radio yesterday that the scientists have advised the gov not to giv jabs to fit healthy 12 to 15 yearold kids as they say the benafits dont outweigh the risk as jabs to kids can harden the heart muscle leading to all sorts of trouble.

So the jab given to adults can give blood clots strokes and heart atacs

And the jab given to kids can thicken and harden the heart muscle.

Is it time to re think and enginear out these defects.

If you went to youre doc and were given meds and told this will blow out youre brain or screw up youre heart would you still take it if youre doc said the benafits outweigh the risk.

Youre thoughts on this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't really read the side effects lists of any medication you take, huh?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I take medication every day that has higher risk of side effects than the vaccines.

And I take them every day, not twice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While it is true that most medicines do have severe side effect possibilities, they are not the same as a vaccine that has been marketed as the only way back to normality and which is being pushed to be administered to the entire population of countries worldwide.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The most common meds that we take have many possible side effects, yet I and others still take them.

These vaccines are incredibly safe and have phenomenally high efficacy. We're gaining more information all the time about how well they're working and how many thousands of lives have been saved, just in the UK, from them. It's reasonable to get your information from appropriate, scientific sources, rather than the many spurious places, including media, that has no safeguarding of your wellbeing, from consuming their BS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see the illiteracy pandemic is still rife too!

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East

I take several tablets everyday that have quite bad side effects I feel in my day to day life, but the benefit currently outweighs the risk so I carry on

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

The best part about the story is the JCVI advising the government NOT to give hand for 12-15 year old due to 'minimal health benefits' but the government still trying to push it through

After all, it's #TrustTheScience until it tells you something you don't want to hear

Do we now class the government as anti-science?

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

'Ministers have let it be known they are very keen on getting this age group vaccinated - both through their public pronouncements and privately behind the scenes.

This has caused frustration among JCVI members - with some complaining about the habit of government officials sitting in on meetings'

The reason conspiracy theories exist is due to examples like the above, of government officials 'sitting in' on these meetings to influence scientists

I'm sure the pro Vax crowd here would have no problem with this if it protects them though

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"The best part about the story is the JCVI advising the government NOT to give hand for 12-15 year old due to 'minimal health benefits' but the government still trying to push it through

After all, it's #TrustTheScience until it tells you something you don't want to hear

Do we now class the government as anti-science?

"

Government are not scientists but should take scientific advice! The Vaccine committee concluded that medically the risk of vaccinating teens vs not vaccinating teens is too finely balanced to recommend on medical grounds alone. That should be enough but they have however referred the decision back to the chief medical officers as the effects on education where not included in their assessment. I am pro vax but if I had teens I would not, based on current data, want them vaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was anounced on the news at five on the radio yesterday that the scientists have advised the gov not to giv jabs to fit healthy 12 to 15 yearold kids as they say the benafits dont outweigh the risk as jabs to kids can harden the heart muscle leading to all sorts of trouble.

So the jab given to adults can give blood clots strokes and heart atacs

And the jab given to kids can thicken and harden the heart muscle.

Is it time to re think and enginear out these defects.

If you went to youre doc and were given meds and told this will blow out youre brain or screw up youre heart would you still take it if youre doc said the benafits outweigh the risk.

Youre thoughts on this "

Whatever you do, never have surgery. Anaesthetic is a poison and we have no idea why it works!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was anounced on the news at five on the radio yesterday that the scientists have advised the gov not to giv jabs to fit healthy 12 to 15 yearold kids as they say the benafits dont outweigh the risk as jabs to kids can harden the heart muscle leading to all sorts of trouble.

So the jab given to adults can give blood clots strokes and heart atacs

And the jab given to kids can thicken and harden the heart muscle.

Is it time to re think and enginear out these defects.

If you went to youre doc and were given meds and told this will blow out youre brain or screw up youre heart would you still take it if youre doc said the benafits outweigh the risk.

Youre thoughts on this "
you should always do what you feel is right its thougt body and NO ONE should make or persuade you do do anything you don't want to its your body and life i declined the jab not because im against vacination but for simple fact covid vax not tested long term and when they say you can't claim any compensation if anything happens think about it

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"The best part about the story is the JCVI advising the government NOT to give hand for 12-15 year old due to 'minimal health benefits' but the government still trying to push it through

After all, it's #TrustTheScience until it tells you something you don't want to hear

Do we now class the government as anti-science?

Government are not scientists but should take scientific advice! The Vaccine committee concluded that medically the risk of vaccinating teens vs not vaccinating teens is too finely balanced to recommend on medical grounds alone. That should be enough but they have however referred the decision back to the chief medical officers as the effects on education where not included in their assessment. I am pro vax but if I had teens I would not, based on current data, want them vaccinated. "

The Government should take advice from the scientists but they also need to take advice from elsewhere. The scientist,for children, don't see a benefit when weighing up the positives and negatives of the vaccine. So, if 1 in 1m die from covid and 1 in 1m die from the vaccine then medically there is no benefit and there is no reason to recommend it. However, if the vaccine reduces transmission to others in society and allows us to return to a more normal world and a lesser impact on the economy then there is a benefit outside the scope of the JCVI's recommendation.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"It was anounced on the news at five on the radio yesterday that the scientists have advised the gov not to giv jabs to fit healthy 12 to 15 yearold kids as they say the benafits dont outweigh the risk as jabs to kids can harden the heart muscle leading to all sorts of trouble.

So the jab given to adults can give blood clots strokes and heart atacs

And the jab given to kids can thicken and harden the heart muscle.

Is it time to re think and enginear out these defects.

If you went to youre doc and were given meds and told this will blow out youre brain or screw up youre heart would you still take it if youre doc said the benafits outweigh the risk.

Youre thoughts on this you should always do what you feel is right its thougt body and NO ONE should make or persuade you do do anything you don't want to its your body and life i declined the jab not because im against vacination but for simple fact covid vax not tested long term and when they say you can't claim any compensation if anything happens think about it "

WRONG!!

If you’re severely disabled as a result of a vaccination against certain diseases, you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000. This is called a Vaccine Damage Payment.

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"It was anounced on the news at five on the radio yesterday that the scientists have advised the gov not to giv jabs to fit healthy 12 to 15 yearold kids as they say the benafits dont outweigh the risk as jabs to kids can harden the heart muscle leading to all sorts of trouble.

So the jab given to adults can give blood clots strokes and heart atacs

And the jab given to kids can thicken and harden the heart muscle.

Is it time to re think and enginear out these defects.

If you went to youre doc and were given meds and told this will blow out youre brain or screw up youre heart would you still take it if youre doc said the benafits outweigh the risk.

Youre thoughts on this

Whatever you do, never have surgery. Anaesthetic is a poison and we have no idea why it works!"

Apparently the chances of dying from AZ blood clot is 1 in 200k....

The chances of dying from Anaesthesia is 1 in 100k.

Amazing how some will accept a 1 in 200k but not a 1 in 100k..

https://patient.info/treatment-medication/anaesthesia/death-or-brain-damage-from-anaesthesia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our youngest is facing this dilemma. He almost certainly had covid when we had it but his only symptoms were a slight cold type illness (whereas we were really rough).

I can't see any good argument at the mo for him having a jab. He's unlikely to be very ill. The vaccines don't appear to limit transmission. Most likely the natural immunity he has is sufficient.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These vaccines are incredibly safe"

Yes indeed, incredibly so. Which is why I’m incredulous of it’s safety.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was anounced on the news at five on the radio yesterday that the scientists have advised the gov not to giv jabs to fit healthy 12 to 15 yearold kids as they say the benafits dont outweigh the risk as jabs to kids can harden the heart muscle leading to all sorts of trouble.

So the jab given to adults can give blood clots strokes and heart atacs

And the jab given to kids can thicken and harden the heart muscle.

Is it time to re think and enginear out these defects.

If you went to youre doc and were given meds and told this will blow out youre brain or screw up youre heart would you still take it if youre doc said the benafits outweigh the risk.

Youre thoughts on this

Whatever you do, never have surgery. Anaesthetic is a poison and we have no idea why it works!

Apparently the chances of dying from AZ blood clot is 1 in 200k....

The chances of dying from Anaesthesia is 1 in 100k.

Amazing how some will accept a 1 in 200k but not a 1 in 100k..

https://patient.info/treatment-medication/anaesthesia/death-or-brain-damage-from-anaesthesia"
that's a false equivalence IMO as it's ignoring the benefits of both. Ppl aren't going under anaesthetic on the off chance they need an op. There's a clear upside. With the vaccine you have to weigh up the benefits (reducing your risk of covid complications) with the risk of the vaccine. Trouble is noone actually knows the costs or benefits for them, and it's touch and go on average for youngsters, so it's not an easy decision for anyone to make ...

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

..

There are possible side effects to absolutely every type of medication and vaccination so I’m not sure why there is surprise that there are some possible side effects with this jab.

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By *axyMan
over a year ago

Great Ayton


"It was anounced on the news at five on the radio yesterday that the scientists have advised the gov not to giv jabs to fit healthy 12 to 15 yearold kids as they say the benafits dont outweigh the risk as jabs to kids can harden the heart muscle leading to all sorts of trouble.

So the jab given to adults can give blood clots strokes and heart atacs

And the jab given to kids can thicken and harden the heart muscle.

Is it time to re think and enginear out these defects.

If you went to youre doc and were given meds and told this will blow out youre brain or screw up youre heart would you still take it if youre doc said the benafits outweigh the risk.

More skewed info. If you catch Covid, which less face it if you're not jabbed you're likely to get it, you are 12 times more likely to have a blood clot than if you take the jab. Makes you rethink, doesn't it, when the full info is presented.

Youre thoughts on this "

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By *axyMan
over a year ago

Great Ayton


"You don't really read the side effects lists of any medication you take, huh? "

Exactly, next time you take a paracetamol look at the risks listed yet we take them without thinking for a hangover!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are possible side effects to absolutely every type of medication and vaccination so I’m not sure why there is surprise that there are some possible side effects with this jab. "

I don't understand how this helps?

Regardless of whether people are surprised (and who is?!) parents will still need to make a choice as to whether to expose their children to an illness we still know little about or a vaccine that we know less about.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"You don't really read the side effects lists of any medication you take, huh?

Exactly, next time you take a paracetamol look at the risks listed yet we take them without thinking for a hangover!"

Paracetamol has been taken for 60 plus years and in a frequency that would be hard to measure. As babies, then children, most if not all of us would have been given a small dose increasing with age/ weight etc. with concerned parents monitoring the effects. To compare paracetamol to the vaccine is none sense!

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple
over a year ago

crewe

Theres huge amounts of medicine with known side effects you will have to take alongside something to counter those very side effects.

All medical practice involves risk, having a general anesthesia involves risk, sometimes in the elderly they won't perform a general because of the risk it may kill you, so they look for alternatives but sometimes there isn't an alternative so you just have to take the risk.

This is how vaccination works and why the jvci has not recommended it for healthy 12-15 year olds because the risk outweighs the rewards.

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By *appy 2 lickMan
over a year ago

lanarkshire

This so called vaccine has not been fully tested and people are getting alsorts off different side effects that could be a larger problem for the NHS than covid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This so called vaccine has not been fully tested and people are getting alsorts off different side effects that could be a larger problem for the NHS than covid "

Care to share your source fella? Are Facebook links allowed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The best part about the story is the JCVI advising the government NOT to give hand for 12-15 year old due to 'minimal health benefits' but the government still trying to push it through

After all, it's #TrustTheScience until it tells you something you don't want to hear

Do we now class the government as anti-science?

"

Exactly!!! The forum is full to the brim with comments about trusting science yet here science is clearly saying that this age group do not warrant vaccination and STILL people are believing this is the way forward.

Is this a case of “trust the science, when it suits”?

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

I don’t understand why anyone trusts the gvmt

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By *traight_no_iceMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"The best part about the story is the JCVI advising the government NOT to give hand for 12-15 year old due to 'minimal health benefits' but the government still trying to push it through

After all, it's #TrustTheScience until it tells you something you don't want to hear

Do we now class the government as anti-science?

Exactly!!! The forum is full to the brim with comments about trusting science yet here science is clearly saying that this age group do not warrant vaccination and STILL people are believing this is the way forward.

Is this a case of “trust the science, when it suits”? "

There is some cocern though. Children are not immune to covid. And even if the hospitalisations of children due to covid are fewer, it is still a possibility. In the US, numbers were climbing last week. Some rough numbers from daily mail. Even though children hospitalisations were a very percentage, 1 in 10 children who were positive got hospitalised. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9955185/More-200-000-new-COVID-19-cases-children-recorded-one-week.html

COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations among children are continuing to rise as the early stages of the new school year are struck by the Delta variant.

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) reports that 200,000 children tested positive for COVID-19 in the week of August 26, the second highest weekly total recorded during the pandemic.

Children also accounted for over 19,000 of the 812,000 hospitalizations recorded that week.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"The best part about the story is the JCVI advising the government NOT to give hand for 12-15 year old due to 'minimal health benefits' but the government still trying to push it through

After all, it's #TrustTheScience until it tells you something you don't want to hear

Do we now class the government as anti-science?

Exactly!!! The forum is full to the brim with comments about trusting science yet here science is clearly saying that this age group do not warrant vaccination and STILL people are believing this is the way forward.

Is this a case of “trust the science, when it suits”? "

They do not clearly say that there is no need to vaccinate this age group. They said at the moment there is no overwhelming evidence to vaccinating children. They did not say there was no benefit to vaccinating children and saying their advice could change over time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The best part about the story is the JCVI advising the government NOT to give hand for 12-15 year old due to 'minimal health benefits' but the government still trying to push it through

After all, it's #TrustTheScience until it tells you something you don't want to hear

Do we now class the government as anti-science?

Exactly!!! The forum is full to the brim with comments about trusting science yet here science is clearly saying that this age group do not warrant vaccination and STILL people are believing this is the way forward.

Is this a case of “trust the science, when it suits”?

They do not clearly say that there is no need to vaccinate this age group. They said at the moment there is no overwhelming evidence to vaccinating children. They did not say there was no benefit to vaccinating children and saying their advice could change over time."

Britain's vaccine advisers said they were not recommending the vaccination of all 12- to 15-year-olds against COVID-19, preferring a precautionary approach in healthy children due to a rare side effect of heart inflammation.

That’s good enough for me

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley


"The best part about the story is the JCVI advising the government NOT to give hand for 12-15 year old due to 'minimal health benefits' but the government still trying to push it through

After all, it's #TrustTheScience until it tells you something you don't want to hear

Do we now class the government as anti-science?

Exactly!!! The forum is full to the brim with comments about trusting science yet here science is clearly saying that this age group do not warrant vaccination and STILL people are believing this is the way forward.

Is this a case of “trust the science, when it suits”?

They do not clearly say that there is no need to vaccinate this age group. They said at the moment there is no overwhelming evidence to vaccinating children. They did not say there was no benefit to vaccinating children and saying their advice could change over time.

Britain's vaccine advisers said they were not recommending the vaccination of all 12- to 15-year-olds against COVID-19, preferring a precautionary approach in healthy children due to a rare side effect of heart inflammation.

That’s good enough for me "

The Government should listen to them rather than using vaccines that could go to people who need it more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Theres huge amounts of medicine with known side effects you will have to take alongside something to counter those very side effects.

All medical practice involves risk, having a general anesthesia involves risk, sometimes in the elderly they won't perform a general because of the risk it may kill you, so they look for alternatives but sometimes there isn't an alternative so you just have to take the risk.

This is how vaccination works and why the jvci has not recommended it for healthy 12-15 year olds because the risk outweighs the rewards."

I believe that what they are actually saying is that the rewards don’t sufficiently outweigh the risks.

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