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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

University of Oxford Study say the risks of catching Covid and suffering from blood clots is significantly greater (at least 9 times greater) than suffering from blood clots after taking the vaccine.

“Here’s how the risk of blood clots compares

Professor Aziz Sheikh, co-author on the study, said the increased risk of thrombocytopenia seen in their work is similar to other commonly used vaccines in the UK, such as the flu jab.

Researchers estimated that in 10 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca jab, there would be 107 additional cases of thrombocytopenia in the 28 days post-vaccination, compared with 934 in people with the virus.

The scientists found an association between those vaccinated with the Pfizer jab and an increased risk of stroke, but the risk was more than 10 times greater in those with the virus: an estimated 143 extra cases per 10 million people, compared with 1,699 cases in those with Covid-19.

The paper also said that per 10 million people jabbed with AstraZeneca, there were an estimated seven additional cases of CVST, while there were 20 in people with Covid-19. For blood clotting in a vein, they estimated 66 additional cases per 10 million people vaccinated with AstraZeneca, compared with around 12,614 in those who has contracted Covid-19.”

So when you consider not having the vaccine because you want to reduce your risk of ‘side effect’, those same side effects are much greater from Covid itself. Consider the evidence & the real risk to you of catching Covid. You are safer taking the vaccine than not. If you have underlying health problems talk it through with your GP.

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By *iss KissWoman
over a year ago

near Coventry

Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

"

Glad you got over long Covid, it seems very grim. It is important that people realise the risk of not being vaccinated is much higher than from being vaccinated. The only way to avoid it is to life in a hazchem suite which won’t be any fun either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

"

So after having coving and producing your own anti bodies to be very unlikely to catch it again you jumped at the chance to get a vaccine that may or may make no difference?

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By *anadadryguyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I'd really need to see this report in full with all the details. Especially age grouping.

The statistics quoted make no reference to the ages of people affected - both covid sufferers and vaccine side effect sufferers.

For example the vast majority of people who suffered, say, a blood clot from a vaccine could be in a much younger age group where people of the same age contracting covid suffered only very mild to even non-existent affects. But we don't know that from these figures.

What I'm getting at is that for older people then yes the 'vaccine vs the side effects' is a no brainer and its worthwhile them all getting vaxxed. However, in a younger group the results may yield a very different result with the risks possibly outweighing the virus for certain people.

So as covid is so very age defined any report without age factored in is surely lacking?

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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I'd really need to see this report in full with all the details. Especially age grouping.

The statistics quoted make no reference to the ages of people affected - both covid sufferers and vaccine side effect sufferers.

For example the vast majority of people who suffered, say, a blood clot from a vaccine could be in a much younger age group where people of the same age contracting covid suffered only very mild to even non-existent affects. But we don't know that from these figures.

What I'm getting at is that for older people then yes the 'vaccine vs the side effects' is a no brainer and its worthwhile them all getting vaxxed. However, in a younger group the results may yield a very different result with the risks possibly outweighing the virus for certain people.

So as covid is so very age defined any report without age factored in is surely lacking? "

Feel free to read the report, available from all good search engines. It is quite clear, over huge numbers of people (not just the oldest) that the Vaccines are safer than catching Covid. By all means choose not to be vaccinated but don’t make that choice on the false premis that you will reduce your risk. The evidence says the opposite.

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By *anadadryguyMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"I'd really need to see this report in full with all the details. Especially age grouping.

The statistics quoted make no reference to the ages of people affected - both covid sufferers and vaccine side effect sufferers.

For example the vast majority of people who suffered, say, a blood clot from a vaccine could be in a much younger age group where people of the same age contracting covid suffered only very mild to even non-existent affects. But we don't know that from these figures.

What I'm getting at is that for older people then yes the 'vaccine vs the side effects' is a no brainer and its worthwhile them all getting vaxxed. However, in a younger group the results may yield a very different result with the risks possibly outweighing the virus for certain people.

So as covid is so very age defined any report without age factored in is surely lacking?

Feel free to read the report, available from all good search engines. It is quite clear, over huge numbers of people (not just the oldest) that the Vaccines are safer than catching Covid. By all means choose not to be vaccinated but don’t make that choice on the false premis that you will reduce your risk. The evidence says the opposite."

I will do that thanks.

I am double vaccinated. Unfortunately the 2nd dose has left me unable to use both my legs and don't have full use of left arm so this is why I have such a keen interest in all the details.

Has this left me an 'anti-vaxxer'? No, of course not.

Was I fully advised of all the risks? No. I was not.

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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I'd really need to see this report in full with all the details. Especially age grouping.

The statistics quoted make no reference to the ages of people affected - both covid sufferers and vaccine side effect sufferers.

For example the vast majority of people who suffered, say, a blood clot from a vaccine could be in a much younger age group where people of the same age contracting covid suffered only very mild to even non-existent affects. But we don't know that from these figures.

What I'm getting at is that for older people then yes the 'vaccine vs the side effects' is a no brainer and its worthwhile them all getting vaxxed. However, in a younger group the results may yield a very different result with the risks possibly outweighing the virus for certain people.

So as covid is so very age defined any report without age factored in is surely lacking?

Feel free to read the report, available from all good search engines. It is quite clear, over huge numbers of people (not just the oldest) that the Vaccines are safer than catching Covid. By all means choose not to be vaccinated but don’t make that choice on the false premis that you will reduce your risk. The evidence says the opposite.

I will do that thanks.

I am double vaccinated. Unfortunately the 2nd dose has left me unable to use both my legs and don't have full use of left arm so this is why I have such a keen interest in all the details.

Has this left me an 'anti-vaxxer'? No, of course not.

Was I fully advised of all the risks? No. I was not."

I am truly sorry that you have suffered. Here is more detail of the study, it is clearly comprehensive in terms of number of records looked at:

“In what is believed to be the largest study of vaccine side effects to date, University of Oxford researchers analysed the health data of more than 29 million people aged 16 and over who received their first doses of either vaccination. The data was collected between December 2020 and April 2021

Researchers used routinely collected electronic health records to analyse the short-term risks (within 28 days) of hospital admission from blood clots, looking for any complications after a patient was either infected or vaccinated.

The study’s findings suggest the risk of thrombocytopenia, a condition where the patient has a low count of cells, known as platelets, that help the blood clot, in someone with coronavirus is almost nine times higher than in someone who has had one dose of the AstraZeneca jab.”

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By *anadadryguyMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"I'd really need to see this report in full with all the details. Especially age grouping.

The statistics quoted make no reference to the ages of people affected - both covid sufferers and vaccine side effect sufferers.

For example the vast majority of people who suffered, say, a blood clot from a vaccine could be in a much younger age group where people of the same age contracting covid suffered only very mild to even non-existent affects. But we don't know that from these figures.

What I'm getting at is that for older people then yes the 'vaccine vs the side effects' is a no brainer and its worthwhile them all getting vaxxed. However, in a younger group the results may yield a very different result with the risks possibly outweighing the virus for certain people.

So as covid is so very age defined any report without age factored in is surely lacking?

Feel free to read the report, available from all good search engines. It is quite clear, over huge numbers of people (not just the oldest) that the Vaccines are safer than catching Covid. By all means choose not to be vaccinated but don’t make that choice on the false premis that you will reduce your risk. The evidence says the opposite.

I will do that thanks.

I am double vaccinated. Unfortunately the 2nd dose has left me unable to use both my legs and don't have full use of left arm so this is why I have such a keen interest in all the details.

Has this left me an 'anti-vaxxer'? No, of course not.

Was I fully advised of all the risks? No. I was not.

I am truly sorry that you have suffered. Here is more detail of the study, it is clearly comprehensive in terms of number of records looked at:

“In what is believed to be the largest study of vaccine side effects to date, University of Oxford researchers analysed the health data of more than 29 million people aged 16 and over who received their first doses of either vaccination. The data was collected between December 2020 and April 2021

Researchers used routinely collected electronic health records to analyse the short-term risks (within 28 days) of hospital admission from blood clots, looking for any complications after a patient was either infected or vaccinated.

The study’s findings suggest the risk of thrombocytopenia, a condition where the patient has a low count of cells, known as platelets, that help the blood clot, in someone with coronavirus is almost nine times higher than in someone who has had one dose of the AstraZeneca jab.”

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Thank you for your kind words.

However the statement "29 million people aged 16 and over who received their first doses of either vaccination. The data was collected between December 2020 and April 2021" is exactly what I'm trying to highlight.

My issues for example only happened after the 2nd. And after the reach of this report.

Also, I'm not sure the number of vaccinated people aged say 16 to say 25 were very significant during that tie frame. Maybe none even?

What we really need is another report showing all ages from April 2021 to today. I am sure it is on its way. Will it yield the same data? I guess we will find out.

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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

We do need to continually look at the data and we know people who are doing this. We also need to look at the data for those that don’t get vaccinated to ensure that false claims are called out. If, and we remain incredibly skeptical, it is proven that people are safer not to have the vaccine then that should be published also.

Given that 44m people in the UK have been vaccinated & billions worldwide now, the evidence points to low levels of side effect. Clearly you sadly fit in this space and I’m sure it is of little comfort to you.

The research will improve the efficacy and safety of the vaccines and will hopefully reduce incidences like yours even lower. Hope things improve for you.

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By *esmond and Molly JonesCouple
over a year ago

Watford

Just take the vaccine. Simple. Nothing is without risk. Eating a peanut kills some people!

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

Remember you don’t have to be vaccinated if you don’t want to be

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By *iss KissWoman
over a year ago

near Coventry


"Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

So after having coving and producing your own anti bodies to be very unlikely to catch it again you jumped at the chance to get a vaccine that may or may make no difference? "

I had an antibodies test a few months after I started feeling better. I had no antibodies. So that's why!

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By *issusWoman
over a year ago

Belfast

I had covid just a week ago.

Thinking of starting a go fund me page to fund anti body tests weekly from about a month after getting it, till a year later or five negative tests in a row for scientific purposes only.

Tests where I live are 65 a pop available to everyone who is willing to pay the price.

I want to know:

1. How long will the tests keep coming up positive for.

2. Will there be an odd test or two coming up negative then back to positive.

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By *omnvixCouple
over a year ago

Gtr Manchester

Sadly our experience of this post's title is actually the exact opposite.

Being vaccinated has had a very detrimental effect on both our lives. Tom physically. We are praying and hoping not permanently.

Of course that's just our experience and our thoughts are also with people who have been badly affected by Covid too. Especially those who have lost loved ones.

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By *_uk_pilotMan
over a year ago

Wimbledon, London, UK


"Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

So after having coving and producing your own anti bodies to be very unlikely to catch it again you jumped at the chance to get a vaccine that may or may make no difference? "

Wrong. Antibodies and T cells weaken over time. Vaccination makes a huge difference to the survival rates once reinfected, and vaccination tops up defenses, hence why we are giving third doses this autumn.

Wrong about unlikely to catch it again; vaccination and natural responses protects you WHEN you get it again, i.e. you get it but fight it off, AND whilst your in the first few days you are also contagious.

Neither natural defenses nor vaccination stops you getting C19 if you are exposed.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

So after having coving and producing your own anti bodies to be very unlikely to catch it again you jumped at the chance to get a vaccine that may or may make no difference? "

Immunity from vaccination, post infection, is recommended for the strongest protection

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you post some evidence for this please? That's really interesting.

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple
over a year ago

crewe

Vaccination and disease are producing similar side effects in small cases which only have one thing in common.

Spike protein.

Interesting study out of American physiology showing spike protein causing lung damage and blood barrier disorders in genetically modified mice and Human grown tissue.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"Remember you don’t have to be vaccinated if you don’t want to be "

But the govt will exclude you from certain things if you exercise your right to choose what you put into your body

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By *eterlolitaMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield

"Safer to be Vaccinated than catch Covid"

Not for me it wasn't. I fully regret having my 1st jab and haven't had the 2nd on advice from my doctor. It has frankly ruined my life.

I appreciate this is of no solace to the many who have lost loved ones to Covid and my thoughts are naturally with them too. And those suffering ill health from it.

But I was healthy. I took the advice. I did the right thing. And its robbed me of my health.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


"University of Oxford Study say the risks of catching Covid and suffering from blood clots is significantly greater (at least 9 times greater) than suffering from blood clots after taking the vaccine.

“Here’s how the risk of blood clots compares

Professor Aziz Sheikh, co-author on the study, said the increased risk of thrombocytopenia seen in their work is similar to other commonly used vaccines in the UK, such as the flu jab.

Researchers estimated that in 10 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca jab, there would be 107 additional cases of thrombocytopenia in the 28 days post-vaccination, compared with 934 in people with the virus.

The scientists found an association between those vaccinated with the Pfizer jab and an increased risk of stroke, but the risk was more than 10 times greater in those with the virus: an estimated 143 extra cases per 10 million people, compared with 1,699 cases in those with Covid-19.

The paper also said that per 10 million people jabbed with AstraZeneca, there were an estimated seven additional cases of CVST, while there were 20 in people with Covid-19. For blood clotting in a vein, they estimated 66 additional cases per 10 million people vaccinated with AstraZeneca, compared with around 12,614 in those who has contracted Covid-19.”

So when you consider not having the vaccine because you want to reduce your risk of ‘side effect’, those same side effects are much greater from Covid itself. Consider the evidence & the real risk to you of catching Covid. You are safer taking the vaccine than not. If you have underlying health problems talk it through with your GP."
so they thing here you have to remember is

You do not know how you will react to covid

You do not know how you will react to the covid vaccine.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


""Safer to be Vaccinated than catch Covid"

Not for me it wasn't. I fully regret having my 1st jab and haven't had the 2nd on advice from my doctor. It has frankly ruined my life.

I appreciate this is of no solace to the many who have lost loved ones to Covid and my thoughts are naturally with them too. And those suffering ill health from it.

But I was healthy. I took the advice. I did the right thing. And its robbed me of my health. "
and I bet you have been in no way shape or form componsated or looked after

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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff


""Safer to be Vaccinated than catch Covid"

Not for me it wasn't. I fully regret having my 1st jab and haven't had the 2nd on advice from my doctor. It has frankly ruined my life.

I appreciate this is of no solace to the many who have lost loved ones to Covid and my thoughts are naturally with them too. And those suffering ill health from it.

But I was healthy. I took the advice. I did the right thing. And its robbed me of my health. and I bet you have been in no way shape or form componsated or looked after "

…& neither have the 150,000 plus who died of Covid, nor the millions with long Covid…

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By *illiam180Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield


""Safer to be Vaccinated than catch Covid"

Not for me it wasn't. I fully regret having my 1st jab and haven't had the 2nd on advice from my doctor. It has frankly ruined my life.

I appreciate this is of no solace to the many who have lost loved ones to Covid and my thoughts are naturally with them too. And those suffering ill health from it.

But I was healthy. I took the advice. I did the right thing. And its robbed me of my health. and I bet you have been in no way shape or form componsated or looked after

…& neither have the 150,000 plus who died of Covid, nor the millions with long Covid…"

"I appreciate this is of no solace to the many who have lost loved ones to Covid and my thoughts are naturally with them too. And those suffering ill health from it"

I guess this part of this gentleman's reply was a bit too technical for you?

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By *eliinaScottcd4uTV/TS
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid."

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere. "

Yes that mild headache and temp of 39° I had for a few hours was really really scary I was ill on the Saturday a bit meh Sunday and ready to go back to work and earn money Monday unfortunately the. Law said I can’t work and the government decided as I’m not on benefits it’s tough shot about getting paid either, that loss of wages affects me for a lot lot longer than covid did, not almost a year on I still have full antibodies and am in the best shape I’ve ever been in, pretty much lost my house though so not all fun and games, sacrificing the county/work to save the sick and elderly was moronic

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere.

Yes that mild headache and temp of 39° I had for a few hours was really really scary I was ill on the Saturday a bit meh Sunday and ready to go back to work and earn money Monday unfortunately the. Law said I can’t work and the government decided as I’m not on benefits it’s tough shot about getting paid either, that loss of wages affects me for a lot lot longer than covid did, not almost a year on I still have full antibodies and am in the best shape I’ve ever been in, pretty much lost my house though so not all fun and games, sacrificing the county/work to save the sick and elderly was moronic"

It'll be a pity if when you are sick, when you are elderly, that the younger generation decide that you are disposable. I guess that your strategy would have just been to send everyone over 50 down to the dogfood factory, for recycling into useful product.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid."

It's not experimental. Please stop repeating conspiracy theories. It's also a hell of a lot safer than getting Covid with no protection whatsoever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

So after having coving and producing your own anti bodies to be very unlikely to catch it again you jumped at the chance to get a vaccine that may or may make no difference? "

Goverened by fear = irrational choices....see my latest post on Israelis being banned in european countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere. "

If by oroperly licenced you man under emergency legislation then yes ....(with all normal protocols not followed)....hell you cant even call it a vaccine since it is a new technology (mRNA)

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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere.

If by oroperly licenced you man under emergency legislation then yes ....(with all normal protocols not followed)....hell you cant even call it a vaccine since it is a new technology (mRNA) "

It is better tested than any other vaccine in history. Stop being a conspiracy theorist and look at the facts. Covid kills, the vaccine stops it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know plenty of people who got it, young and no comorbidities, who were really fked up.

I equally know many older people who got it and were fine.

I know LOADS of people who got it and felt shit for a week and lost their sense of smell/everything smelt like sulfur for 3-4 months afterwards.

I like my food too much and spent all my time around the sickies so i had the jabs in december.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere.

If by oroperly licenced you man under emergency legislation then yes ....(with all normal protocols not followed)....hell you cant even call it a vaccine since it is a new technology (mRNA)

It is better tested than any other vaccine in history. Stop being a conspiracy theorist and look at the facts. Covid kills, the vaccine stops it."

Yes, Covid kills.. less than 1% of people who are symptomatic and 60% (Denmark study) of people are asymptomatic. So… about a Gnats cock of a chance, statistically.

Meanwhile… the CDC admits it counts deaths within 14 days of vaccination as unvaccinated covid death so vaccine caused deaths are recorded as unvaccinated covid deaths.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge


"Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

Glad you got over long Covid, it seems very grim. It is important that people realise the risk of not being vaccinated is much higher than from being vaccinated. The only way to avoid it is to life in a hazchem suite which won’t be any fun either "

I think this is what people are struggling to get thier heads around.

No, having the jab is absolutely not a guarantee that you'll not catch it. As with any vaccine, you may or will still "catch it", but the hope is that the immune system is primed to deal with it.

This puts a body in much greater standing in that hopefully, before the virus takes hold, the body is already loaded with antibodies and has a fighting chance, thus preventing delay in an immune response which is where the virus takes hold and causes more and harsher symptoms.

By responding sooner and being aware of what the virus looks like, means the outcome is a lot better should infection occur, hence lower hospital admissions and death rates even though infection is soaring well above previous lockdown numbers.

The majority of people now dying are unvaccinated as most vaccinated people catch and get over it quickly with mild or low symptoms.

Please understand that vaccines have never "stopped you catching a virus", they just give the body the right ammo to deal with it quickly, before it becomes an issue and this is exactly what COVID-19 vaccination does.

Stop you catching the virus - NO

Stop you spreading virus - NO

Quicker recovery - YES

Reduced chance hospital- YES

Reduced chance of death - YES

Claiming vaccine does not work as it fails to stop you catching it, is dangerous, misleading and false.

If you have compromised immunity then vaccine for any disease is reduced or nulled as there is no immune system to react to either vaccine or real infection.

As for clot stats, if you'd got a clot after a jab then it is highly likely catching COVID-19 would certainly have caused them and would have died anyway.

If reaction to a small amount of vaccine triggered clots then the actual virus would be a massive reaction mire than likely involving a bad outcome.

It is unfortunate, but a risk worth taking and shameful the media and others make such a big issue from it when the reality is, vaccines do work and less people will die for taking them!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""Safer to be Vaccinated than catch Covid"

Not for me it wasn't. I fully regret having my 1st jab and haven't had the 2nd on advice from my doctor. It has frankly ruined my life.

I appreciate this is of no solace to the many who have lost loved ones to Covid and my thoughts are naturally with them too. And those suffering ill health from it.

But I was healthy. I took the advice. I did the right thing. And its robbed me of my health. and I bet you have been in no way shape or form componsated or looked after

…& neither have the 150,000 plus who died of Covid, nor the millions with long Covid…

"I appreciate this is of no solace to the many who have lost loved ones to Covid and my thoughts are naturally with them too. And those suffering ill health from it"

I guess this part of this gentleman's reply was a bit too technical for you?

"

Snake oil sellers nothing more. Every fuckers that much of an expert they want to influence your decisions. All will reap what they sow regardless.

Those who have lost love ones due to covid know how? By a test that has been spun at the amount of cycles to not be reliably depended upon. Fall in line please.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"Having had long covid. Which was awful. I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. No regrets.

So after having coving and producing your own anti bodies to be very unlikely to catch it again you jumped at the chance to get a vaccine that may or may make no difference? "

You don't know that!

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere.

If by oroperly licenced you man under emergency legislation then yes ....(with all normal protocols not followed)....hell you cant even call it a vaccine since it is a new technology (mRNA) "

And we have another one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere.

Yes that mild headache and temp of 39° I had for a few hours was really really scary I was ill on the Saturday a bit meh Sunday and ready to go back to work and earn money Monday unfortunately the. Law said I can’t work and the government decided as I’m not on benefits it’s tough shot about getting paid either, that loss of wages affects me for a lot lot longer than covid did, not almost a year on I still have full antibodies and am in the best shape I’ve ever been in, pretty much lost my house though so not all fun and games, sacrificing the county/work to save the sick and elderly was moronic

It'll be a pity if when you are sick, when you are elderly, that the younger generation decide that you are disposable. I guess that your strategy would have just been to send everyone over 50 down to the dogfood factory, for recycling into useful product."

I’d rather be sacrificed when I’m elderly than the education of the future generations

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

Why not respect others views?

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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Why not respect others views?"

I think I will stick to the science over lay person views. Opinions are very different to facts

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"Why the hell would I want to take an experimental drug where the trials don't end until 2023. Especially when there are cures out there if I do catch covid.

It's not experimental it's properly licensed in pretty much every country around the world. It is usual practice to monitor medication once it's been licensed. There are presently no cures for covid, if you know of any then you are ahead of every doctor and scientist in the world. Basically you are quite a bit more likely to get very ill without a vaccine and a lot more likely to die without it. Plenty of evidence and stats on this thread and elsewhere.

Yes that mild headache and temp of 39° I had for a few hours was really really scary I was ill on the Saturday a bit meh Sunday and ready to go back to work and earn money Monday unfortunately the. Law said I can’t work and the government decided as I’m not on benefits it’s tough shot about getting paid either, that loss of wages affects me for a lot lot longer than covid did, not almost a year on I still have full antibodies and am in the best shape I’ve ever been in, pretty much lost my house though so not all fun and games, sacrificing the county/work to save the sick and elderly was moronic

It'll be a pity if when you are sick, when you are elderly, that the younger generation decide that you are disposable. I guess that your strategy would have just been to send everyone over 50 down to the dogfood factory, for recycling into useful product.

I’d rather be sacrificed when I’m elderly than the education of the future generations "

You might think differently when your lungs of full of fluid and you're death is like drowning.

Personally, i'd prefer to die with pumped up with end of life drugs..

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

What’s the risk when I’ve been exposed to it twice and still tested negative? Most recently my son tested positive and I was travelling with him in the car as well as living in the same house.

There must come a point when people do have natural immunity to the virus but it’s never tested.

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By *ethnmelv OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It’s a bit like Russian Roulette, it is easier to play it when you are wearing a bullet proof helmet…

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"What’s the risk when I’ve been exposed to it twice and still tested negative? Most recently my son tested positive and I was travelling with him in the car as well as living in the same house.

There must come a point when people do have natural immunity to the virus but it’s never tested."

It probably just isn't as contagious as some doom mongers make it out to be? Then of course some just have stronger immune systems than others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had covid just a week ago.

Thinking of starting a go fund me page to fund anti body tests weekly from about a month after getting it, till a year later or five negative tests in a row for scientific purposes only.

Tests where I live are 65 a pop available to everyone who is willing to pay the price.

I want to know:

1. How long will the tests keep coming up positive for.

2. Will there be an odd test or two coming up negative then back to positive.

"

The antibody count drops sharply after infection, every infection. "T" cell counts are much better, as disease-specific T cells are around a lot longer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s a bit like Russian Roulette, it is easier to play it when you are wearing a bullet proof helmet…"

It's easier to play it if there are no bullets in the gun......

If you're stupid enough to play it, it is better to have all the chambers loaded and no head protection.

Another idiot removed from the gene pool..

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

What's the saying ?

Something like "there's none so blind that will not see" ?

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By *eptimiusMan
over a year ago

East

What a croc of sh*t im reading sone real confused people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just take the vaccine. Simple. Nothing is without risk. Eating a peanut kills some people!"

Like you said “nothing is without risk”. Therefore, we’ll take our 99.8% chance of survival. It’s worked for nearly 2 years so far.

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By *nkforthekinkMan
over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton


"Just take the vaccine. Simple. Nothing is without risk. Eating a peanut kills some people!

Like you said “nothing is without risk”. Therefore, we’ll take our 99.8% chance of survival. It’s worked for nearly 2 years so far."

You have got more chance of dying in a road traffic incident then covid to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stupid is as stupid does.

Mr F Gump

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