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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does." You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? | |||
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"Seems dead on. It also partly explains why we’ve had a Conservative government for so many years, as anti-intellectualism and Conservative thinking go hand in hand." But that nice Mr de Pfeffel Johnson sounds so clever when he talks Latin. | |||
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"Seems dead on. It also partly explains why we’ve had a Conservative government for so many years, as anti-intellectualism and Conservative thinking go hand in hand." Not really, the simple answer to that is the conservatives were able to move left on fiscal and social policies far easier than the left could move right on cultural issues. The left is getting battered everywhere the cultural issues get raised. I don't think we'll see a left dominated government in the UK for a long long time. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it?" Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. " Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts?" One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. | |||
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"Seems dead on. It also partly explains why we’ve had a Conservative government for so many years, as anti-intellectualism and Conservative thinking go hand in hand. Not really, the simple answer to that is the conservatives were able to move left on fiscal and social policies far easier than the left could move right on cultural issues. The left is getting battered everywhere the cultural issues get raised. I don't think we'll see a left dominated government in the UK for a long long time." You seem unclear on what ‘partly explains’ means. To clarify that point for you, what you’ve written could arguably partly explain the same phenomenon...albeit to a comparatively fractional degree. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. " That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts?" A cult of ignorance you call them? The left used to call them the working class. It's obvious why your never getting re-elected anytime soon. The trouble with intellectuals and their faux hangers on is their inability to grasp basic diplomacy and numbers. You need to bring people onside not alienate them even more. | |||
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""Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Has the attitude of some people to Covid-19 shown him to be correct? Discuss." Who's he ??  | |||
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" cult of ignorance you call them? The left used to call them the working class." A bizarre assertion to make, considering the most obvious example of a contemporary cult of ignorance is our sitting Conservative government, none of which are noted for their working class credentials. Well, not noted for obvious credentials of any kind, when it comes to it. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? A cult of ignorance you call them? The left used to call them the working class. It's obvious why your never getting re-elected anytime soon. The trouble with intellectuals and their faux hangers on is their inability to grasp basic diplomacy and numbers. You need to bring people onside not alienate them even more." What's a faux hanger-on!? | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge." This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge." Ah ok so because someone's opinion doesn't suit your narrative they are ignorant? | |||
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""Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Has the attitude of some people to Covid-19 shown him to be correct? Discuss." Yes Society has been dumpee down. We no longer have much of a capacity to think critically. We are led to believe to trust the sources on tv. To succumb to programs. George orwell called it even more accurate. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. " 100%.  | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. " Your own post is appealing to authority, did you not notice? | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. Your own post is appealing to authority, did you not notice?" No it didn't, I would have to concluded that these people were right because of their expertise, I made no assertion that either party was right or wrong based on their expertise,I simply pointed out that many positions of authority have been ignored but only when they argue a certain way. I'm interested in what the hypothesis is, how much data backs it up and the risk benefit analysis of it being implemented, not who said it. I've yet to see any evidence, data or trials that show lockdowns work yet there referred to daily as if it's a given. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. Ah ok so because someone's opinion doesn't suit your narrative they are ignorant? " That’s not what Asimov meant, nor is it what I am saying. Having an opinion on something is not the same as being knowledgeable about something, yet there are people who seem to think that their opinion deserves as much credence as someone else’s expertise. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. " If 999 scientific experts tell you something, and 1 tells you something different, which do you think has more chance of being correct? | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? A cult of ignorance you call them? The left used to call them the working class. It's obvious why your never getting re-elected anytime soon. The trouble with intellectuals and their faux hangers on is their inability to grasp basic diplomacy and numbers. You need to bring people onside not alienate them even more." Kinda the same point as this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58186519 | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. If 999 scientific experts tell you something, and 1 tells you something different, which do you think has more chance of being correct?" 999 Nazis medical doctors against 1 Jewish patients word?. This argument is circular and loaded. Pretty much everybody in politics has a degree in politics, I'm not entirely sure they run things better than those that don't. | |||
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"We’ve just lived through several massive ‘trials’ that show lockdowns work as expected. If you want to understand the science, it’s worth observing what is happening around you from time to time." I've looked at an awful lot of figures from different times and countries and I don't even see correlation, the 2019 WHO Pandemic guidelines never recommend lockdowns or isolating symptomless people, the entire thing was started by the Communist state of China and even Neil Ferguson is on record as saying he never thought you could get away with it here!. What we actually have is a mathematical model based on assumptions by a modeller who's an astrophysicist by trade by the way which has shown to be flawed, as many hypothesis and models are but we're still following as if it's proven. | |||
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"We’ve just lived through several massive ‘trials’ that show lockdowns work as expected. If you want to understand the science, it’s worth observing what is happening around you from time to time. I've looked at an awful lot of figures from different times and countries and I don't even see correlation, the 2019 WHO Pandemic guidelines never recommend lockdowns or isolating symptomless people, the entire thing was started by the Communist state of China and even Neil Ferguson is on record as saying he never thought you could get away with it here!. What we actually have is a mathematical model based on assumptions by a modeller who's an astrophysicist by trade by the way which has shown to be flawed, as many hypothesis and models are but we're still following as if it's proven." But the mainstream media quote Govt advisors so people believe it. Even when the forecast model was way off the mark of the actuals. As with pretty much all data, people have chosen to interpret it in their own way and won't have it that they could be wrong. Instead the playground names start and they will take their football home if they can't be Pele. (awaits name calling) | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. If 999 scientific experts tell you something, and 1 tells you something different, which do you think has more chance of being correct?" Scientists used to think you could determine racial heritage by skull size and belived in Eugenics Scientists did live experiments on twins Imperial Japenese scientists covered Chinese PoW's and civillians in ice cold water to see how long it took for them to freeze to death | |||
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"We’ve just lived through several massive ‘trials’ that show lockdowns work as expected. If you want to understand the science, it’s worth observing what is happening around you from time to time. I've looked at an awful lot of figures from different times and countries and I don't even see correlation" If you can’t see the correlation, maybe you aren’t competent to make a judgement based on the data you are looking at? Here it is in simple terms: Strict lockdown = Covid cases fall. There is no evidence from any country that disproves this assertion. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. If 999 scientific experts tell you something, and 1 tells you something different, which do you think has more chance of being correct? Scientists used to think you could determine racial heritage by skull size and belived in Eugenics Scientists did live experiments on twins Imperial Japenese scientists covered Chinese PoW's and civillians in ice cold water to see how long it took for them to freeze to death " Fascinating, but irrelevant to the discussion. To be clear, the scientists you mentioned are not the ones whose advice we are following on our Covid response (when we do follow their advice). | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. If 999 scientific experts tell you something, and 1 tells you something different, which do you think has more chance of being correct? 999 Nazis medical doctors against 1 Jewish patients word?. This argument is circular and loaded. Pretty much everybody in politics has a degree in politics, I'm not entirely sure they run things better than those that don't." Comparing 21st century immunologists and virologists to Nazis is quite the stretch. Fewer than 20% of our MPs have degrees in politics, | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. If 999 scientific experts tell you something, and 1 tells you something different, which do you think has more chance of being correct? 999 Nazis medical doctors against 1 Jewish patients word?. This argument is circular and loaded. Pretty much everybody in politics has a degree in politics, I'm not entirely sure they run things better than those that don't. Comparing 21st century immunologists and virologists to Nazis is quite the stretch. Fewer than 20% of our MPs have degrees in politics, " And the 20% are all on the front benches, I'm still not entirely sure they run things better than the back benches could. The remark about Nazis was the extreme attempt of explaining the fallacy of the position of authority, a+b=c because of this that the other not because a maths teacher says so. | |||
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"We’ve just lived through several massive ‘trials’ that show lockdowns work as expected. If you want to understand the science, it’s worth observing what is happening around you from time to time. I've looked at an awful lot of figures from different times and countries and I don't even see correlation If you can’t see the correlation, maybe you aren’t competent to make a judgement based on the data you are looking at? Here it is in simple terms: Strict lockdown = Covid cases fall. There is no evidence from any country that disproves this assertion." But that's simply not true, Florida imposed no masks and no lockdowns at the same time California did, pretty much same culture, same work patterns same population density, entirely different outcomes. Parts of Australia is currently in a strict lockdown and cases aren't falling, Peru and Chile did the opposite and got opposite effects, Sweden went a separate path to Spain or France and there outcome is middle of the road for Europe, you can cherry pick times and places to make either argument look strong but 18 months down the line there's little difference. Obviously if I lock everybody in a cupboard for three months I can reduce cases but I increase starvation and destitution, I've yet to read sages risk benefit analysis on it but I know lots of professors of epidemiology that don't concur with them. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. If 999 scientific experts tell you something, and 1 tells you something different, which do you think has more chance of being correct? 999 Nazis medical doctors against 1 Jewish patients word?. This argument is circular and loaded. Pretty much everybody in politics has a degree in politics, I'm not entirely sure they run things better than those that don't. Comparing 21st century immunologists and virologists to Nazis is quite the stretch. Fewer than 20% of our MPs have degrees in politics, And the 20% are all on the front benches, I'm still not entirely sure they run things better than the back benches could. The remark about Nazis was the extreme attempt of explaining the fallacy of the position of authority, a+b=c because of this that the other not because a maths teacher says so." Are they all on the front benches? Could you back that up with a bit of evidence (rather than opinion). It wasn’t extreme so much as ridiculous, the fact remains that your, or my, opinion on a subject does not deserve the same credence as someone who is a subject matter expert, and that when the vast majority of subject matter experts agree they are far more likely to be correct than one or two dissenting voices. | |||
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"75 MPs' have a degree in politics. Another 40 as PPE graduates. 80 with History graduation. 85 are graduates with a law degree. 124 have no degrees at all. PM = classics degree. FS = law Chancellor = economics and politics Priti has economics at Keele As far as I can see, the entire cabinet has at least one univ degree...except maybe defence, and he graduated at Sandhurst " You can still be an idiot and have a 1st. Book smart isn’t everything and I say that as someone who is degree educated and has close friends with PhDs. | |||
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"75 MPs' have a degree in politics. Another 40 as PPE graduates. 80 with History graduation. 85 are graduates with a law degree. 124 have no degrees at all. PM = classics degree. FS = law Chancellor = economics and politics Priti has economics at Keele As far as I can see, the entire cabinet has at least one univ degree...except maybe defence, and he graduated at Sandhurst You can still be an idiot and have a 1st. Book smart isn’t everything and I say that as someone who is degree educated and has close friends with PhDs. " Having a degree doesn't mean that you actually know how the real world works. Hiding behind a desk isn't the same as talking to real people. Face to face. Every single day. Creating computer modules is very far from what will ever happen in reality. | |||
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"75 MPs' have a degree in politics. Another 40 as PPE graduates. 80 with History graduation. 85 are graduates with a law degree. 124 have no degrees at all. PM = classics degree. FS = law Chancellor = economics and politics Priti has economics at Keele As far as I can see, the entire cabinet has at least one univ degree...except maybe defence, and he graduated at Sandhurst You can still be an idiot and have a 1st. Book smart isn’t everything and I say that as someone who is degree educated and has close friends with PhDs. Having a degree doesn't mean that you actually know how the real world works. Hiding behind a desk isn't the same as talking to real people. Face to face. Every single day. Creating computer modules is very far from what will ever happen in reality. " 100% Besides... those in the cabinet care not for their own degrees. They care about their backers and what power and money they themselves can achieve. | |||
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""Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Has the attitude of some people to Covid-19 shown him to be correct? Discuss." I think it shows that being anti science is not a new thing. I guess we have progressed in that in the past if you used science you were at risk of being strung up by fanatics. I think what it has proved is that you don't have to be religious to be fanatically. Fanatics latch on to religion, but give them an agnostic reason to be fanatical and that will do just the same. | |||
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"Your cutting and pasting a quote from the 80's that was based on political opinion. It's only coincidence that covid fits the narrative. So no, I don't think it does. You don't think there are any other things that point to a "Cult of ignorance" as Asimov referred to it? Not really. As I said before it's easy to associate covid with his statement as it fits the narrative. As for a "cult of ignorance" this could be perceived as religion. It's just one man's opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. Interesting, so you don't perceive that Michael Gove was latching on to something when he said that we are sick of experts? One man's opinion. If you believe and agree with what he said, then that is entirely your decision. That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? On one hand we’ve got the scientists with their decades of expertise and knowledge in virology and epidemiology, and on the other a damaging minority of the population ignoring the experts because they seem to think they know better. Opinion isn’t knowledge. This is such a crock of shit argument, plenty of people including yourself no doubt have ignored experts, the Swedish epidemiologist was rounded on for his expertise, professor Gupta for her expertise, anybody that says anything that doesn't fit with the narrative has been ignored and rounded on as conspiracy nut job instead of brought into the conversation and a reasoned argument solution based on data. An appeal to authority is one of the first fallacies they teach you in science. If 999 scientific experts tell you something, and 1 tells you something different, which do you think has more chance of being correct? 999 Nazis medical doctors against 1 Jewish patients word?. This argument is circular and loaded. Pretty much everybody in politics has a degree in politics, I'm not entirely sure they run things better than those that don't." Ah you fell into the nazi debating trap. Damn well it was a good effort but Godwins law deems you just lost this debate. | |||
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