FabSwingers.com forum: The Vaccines

By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

No.... Not the band...

The jabs..

So we have proven that with will, we can invent a new vaccine (in fact over 10 new vaccines) in the space of a year and jab the entire population in a further year.

I wonder if we have the will to apply the same focus, energy and process to other ills that kill... Alcohol abuse... 80k a year... Smoking 10k a year...

Obesity... Heart disease...and if not... Why not? We've set a precedent now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.... Not the band...

The jabs..

So we have proven that with will, we can invent a new vaccine (in fact over 10 new vaccines) in the space of a year and jab the entire population in a further year.

I wonder if we have the will to apply the same focus, energy and process to other ills that kill... Alcohol abuse... 80k a year... Smoking 10k a year...

Obesity... Heart disease...and if not... Why not? We've set a precedent now.

For the same reason that the war on drugs has never and never will make a blind bit of difference, people choose to drink, smoke, inject etc... They know it could fuck them up and kill them, but so could tripping over the neighbours cat.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Preventing an infectious disease is rather different than preventing diseases mainly of lifestyle.....

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Preventing an infectious disease is rather different than preventing diseases mainly of lifestyle....."

I'd challenge that thinking.yes it's currently thought of differently... But we are doing covid because why? Because the numbers are so high... But... So are uite a few other causes of death... Think out of the box. Most smokers I know don't wish to smoke... Most alcoholic abuse isn't really a choice... If they could have a jab that took away the desire many (that I know) would choose to.. But our thought processes are not applying the same process that allowed us to invent the chemicals and give it to those that needed it rapidly and save lives ... How many other scenarios could that agility and technology be applied to?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Preventing an infectious disease is rather different than preventing diseases mainly of lifestyle.....

Certainly for smoking, there is a simple medication that takes away the urge, but people are not queuing around the block to get it. Realistically it's not actually THAT hard to stop smoking, 1000's do it every month... but many don't want to try that hard.

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By *asternHotGuyMan
over a year ago

Blackburn

"No.... Not the band...

The jabs..

So we have proven that with will, we can invent a new vaccine (in fact over 10 new vaccines) in the space of a year and jab the entire population in a further year.

I wonder if we have the will to apply the same focus, energy and process to other ills that kill... Alcohol abuse... 80k a year... Smoking 10k a year...

Obesity... Heart disease...and if not... Why not? We've set a precedent now.

Money. Always has been and it will continue to be as long as people believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.... Not the band...

The jabs..

So we have proven that with will, we can invent a new vaccine (in fact over 10 new vaccines) in the space of a year and jab the entire population in a further year.

I wonder if we have the will to apply the same focus, energy and process to other ills that kill... Alcohol abuse... 80k a year... Smoking 10k a year...

Obesity... Heart disease...and if not... Why not? We've set a precedent now.

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that’s a valid question I must say, particularly for the examples you have provided. Look at some of the roads around the country where they are extremely dangerous and with some money could be made a lot safer and save lives. The same goes for speeding and tragic motor accidents and suicides. Loads of examples really ; not to mention the ever increasing waiting list for people who need treatment for serious medical conditions. It’s covid only at moments and nothing else gets a look in. The only other things to get a look in over next few months will be the deadly variants and killer flu (soon to makes its long awaited return) ; as for the rest you can forget about it.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The principle is sound - that people can achieve phenomenal progress, if there is motivation and converted effort.

The UK has been helped by the huge volumes of people globally who have had shared goals. Medical and scientific research has been shared cooperatively.

The biggest challenge that we face on earth is global heating. I'm expecting our government to have feeble proposals and leadership, for the Scottish COP event, in comparison with just a little that has been achieved for Covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.... Not the band...

The jabs..

So we have proven that with will, we can invent a new vaccine (in fact over 10 new vaccines) in the space of a year and jab the entire population in a further year.

I wonder if we have the will to apply the same focus, energy and process to other ills that kill... Alcohol abuse... 80k a year... Smoking 10k a year...

Obesity... Heart disease...and if not... Why not? We've set a precedent now.

If I read rightly you are suggesting a vaccine is made to give to smokers, drinkers, overeaters, ect.

That is just not possible and unworkable.

Those things are entirely different to an infectious virus.

People choose to do those things.

There are already therapies to help quit smoking.

There is methadone for heroin users the help quit.

There is medication and surgical procedures for the obese...

Vast sums of money, vast amounts of time, research ect have been spent on these issues already.

It is a very simplistic view to think alcoholics, drug users, smokers, overweight people can just be jabbed and all will magically give up these vices. To suggest such a thing is to not understand the problems at all.

Believe it or not there are a lot of people out there who..

WANT to smoke, do drugs, drink alcohol, overeat ..

As for heart disease ..it has many causes..you are being way too simplistic.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"No.... Not the band...

The jabs..

So we have proven that with will, we can invent a new vaccine (in fact over 10 new vaccines) in the space of a year and jab the entire population in a further year.

I wonder if we have the will to apply the same focus, energy and process to other ills that kill... Alcohol abuse... 80k a year... Smoking 10k a year...

Obesity... Heart disease...and if not... Why not? We've set a precedent now.

Because they aren't viruses and vaccines won't help them. Most of them require specialised mental health support.

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By *traight_no_iceMan
over a year ago

Stoke

UK scientists behind the AstraZeneca Covid jab have given the first trial volunteers a new plague vaccine.

One of them, Larissa, 26, hopes she can help save lives by volunteering for the research, at the University of Oxford, where she studies genetics.

The phase-one trial will see at least 40 healthy 18- to 55-year-olds test the vaccine, which uses the same technology as the coronavirus jab.

Its target is a centuries-old bacterial threat, not the new pandemic virus.

For much of the world plague is a history lesson - the most infamous plague pandemic, the Black Death that swept through Europe in the 1300s, killed as much as half of the population.

But there are still cases in some rural areas of Africa, Asia and America.

And in 2017, an outbreak killed 171 people in Madagascar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58241858

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"UK scientists behind the AstraZeneca Covid jab have given the first trial volunteers a new plague vaccine.

One of them, Larissa, 26, hopes she can help save lives by volunteering for the research, at the University of Oxford, where she studies genetics.

The phase-one trial will see at least 40 healthy 18- to 55-year-olds test the vaccine, which uses the same technology as the coronavirus jab.

Its target is a centuries-old bacterial threat, not the new pandemic virus.

For much of the world plague is a history lesson - the most infamous plague pandemic, the Black Death that swept through Europe in the 1300s, killed as much as half of the population.

But there are still cases in some rural areas of Africa, Asia and America.

And in 2017, an outbreak killed 171 people in Madagascar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58241858"

I'm work in Ghana, and they are really struggling to get the local population to take the vaccine.

Covid cases are continually increasing. This is the case for most West African countries.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

No there's not enough money to do that for lifestyle disease, too much infrastructure is needed in supporting it. Cancer for example would be a better one, especially as part of the technology to treat it was used to help form a decent vaccine

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

Alcohol and cigarettes bring with them taxes that make governments a lot of money.

I don't think there would ever be an infrastructure built in order to provide cures to relieve addictions that generate tax income.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I think for most of these there are already medicines available.

Alcohol abuse...naltrexone

Smoking...nicotine

Obesity... Diethylpropion, Liraglutide, Naltrexone-bupropion

Heart disease...Statins

The issue is not that medicine does not know what the problems are it's that the humans involved (including me) don't take the action needed.

Essentially many (not all) sufferers lack the will power to act or ask for help, for a variety of reasons.

If they do ask then help can be given, but similarly if someone does not go for a covid vaccine there is little you can do about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair climate change is the most immediate problem hummanity faces but as it stands we simply have no chance.

Sadly it will take catastrophe on a massive scale before we begin to deal with it. I fear only the complete collapse of countries will holy those surviving to truly act.

Some scientists have said even the almost global lockdowns between April - June 2020 were put in place permanently in every country it still wouldn't be enough now to avoid the 2c rise let alone 1.5c.

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple
over a year ago

crewe

I think your being over generous to the solutions, vaccine technology isn't that hard, genome sequencing has been developed for many reasons over the last twenty years which helped speed up vaccine production, we've done exceptionally well at the roll out, I don't think anybody who knows anything about virology thinks this is the end or that the problem is solved.

So to sum up, we've spent a bleeding fortune and are a little further down the line but it isn't over and is likely to by pass the vaccine at some point.

If I had to point to a fatal human weakness it would be our inability to deal with death and a finite life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple answer is money!

The cost is massively high in the implementation.

The other side to that is too many people/companies make a fortune on the back of ills and affects.

The unfortunate thing is, covid policies has led to one of the biggest transfers of wealth in human history.

An interesting question would be, although other vices and diseases are bad, would it be beneficial to us all to have a response to them all like we have had to covid?

It would be total state control....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Preventing an infectious disease is rather different than preventing diseases mainly of lifestyle.....

How do you vaccinate against someone choosing to smoke or drink too much. These are not diseases....they are toxins.

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

I think you need to get to the bottom of why people do these self damaging activities.

For example, I can't believe that the vast majority of them don't actually know it is bad for them. So why do they do it?

If you solve that, you will solve the issue.

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