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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

That's going to be fun.

We may see a resurgence in the illegal rave scene as bonus though

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

You're 36, you won't be invited

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Perhaps if they restricted things like supermarket entry, medical care.. perhaps you could say that... but it's not like it's not things you can do without.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if OP has taken up the offer of a vaccine ?

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By *aussageMan
over a year ago

Stalbridge

Check out what is happening in Australia, it's just a total police state. Saw a video yesterday of an elderly man being arrested for not wearing a mask outside. He then proceeded to have a heart attack, while they were dragging him away.

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By *traight_no_iceMan
over a year ago

Stoke

"Check out what is happening in Australia, it's just a total police state. Saw a video yesterday of an elderly man being arrested for not wearing a mask outside. He then proceeded to have a heart attack, while they were dragging him away."

You should check what happened to this Brit in Singapore who is refusing to wear a mask. The court asked for his mental health assessmemt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864365/Briton-arrested-not-wearing-facemask-Singapore-remanded-MENTAL-HEALTH-ward.html

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

We have it easy over here compared to most countries.

They are not stopping anyone doing anything essential like shopping etc but if you want to go to a nightclub or eat out then you need to be vaccinated. It's your choice.

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By *yes146Man
over a year ago

London

"You're 36, you won't be invited"

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

You should check what happened to this Brit in Singapore who is refusing to wear a mask. The court asked for his mental health assessmemt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864365/Briton-arrested-not-wearing-facemask-Singapore-remanded-MENTAL-HEALTH-ward.html"

Thats his own fault. If you are in their country you abide by their rules.

A lot of countries dont have mask exemptions so every adult must wear one. If you don't like the rules in a particular place don't go there!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

To be fair, they had handcuffed him and were walking away according to the video I saw

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By *traight_no_iceMan
over a year ago

Stoke

You should check what happened to this Brit in Singapore who is refusing to wear a mask. The court asked for his mental health assessmemt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864365/Briton-arrested-not-wearing-facemask-Singapore-remanded-MENTAL-HEALTH-ward.html

Thats his own fault. If you are in their country you abide by their rules.

A lot of countries dont have mask exemptions so every adult must wear one. If you don't like the rules in a particular place don't go there! "

He got what he deserved yes. It is just I find amusing when some people are talking about apartheid in Britain.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

No medical apartheid....people who are exempt from vaccination on medical grounds won't have any issues and the rest of us can be vaccinated. If someone chooses not to that's simply their choice and all choices come with consequences, good or bad.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You're 36, you won't be invited"

Thays not really how it works but ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You should check what happened to this Brit in Singapore who is refusing to wear a mask. The court asked for his mental health assessmemt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864365/Briton-arrested-not-wearing-facemask-Singapore-remanded-MENTAL-HEALTH-ward.html

Thats his own fault. If you are in their country you abide by their rules.

A lot of countries dont have mask exemptions so every adult must wear one. If you don't like the rules in a particular place don't go there! "

That's actually not true. All most all countries have exceptions however medical proof is needed so there is the difference.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"You're 36, you won't be invited"

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"You're 36, you won't be invited"

That cost me half a cup of tea.

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By *arklong88Man
over a year ago

Brighton/north Wales

"Perhaps if they restricted things like supermarket entry, medical care.. perhaps you could say that... but it's not like it's not things you can do without. "

Yeah what are you moaning about op, you'll still be able to eat!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that."

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps if they restricted things like supermarket entry, medical care.. perhaps you could say that... but it's not like it's not things you can do without.

Yeah what are you moaning about op, you'll still be able to eat!"

Let them eat cake. In their own little hovel obviously.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening. "

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of the pro-vaxxers are nuts on this site sorry to say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

No it doesn't do you need to have a look at the definition of the word is an Afrikaans word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid "

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race. "

It’s not ..... segregation on grounds other than race ... its used as well

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race. "

Wrong. Keep digging though

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

She’s actually right lol,

People might use it for other things but if you actually look up the definition...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

I'm not wrong it is not even an English word it is an Afrikaans word meaning segregation and the definition of segregation in regards to apartheid is being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex I suggest you look at the dictionary definition.

People in this country are not being segregated it is just a lazy way for those that are not vaccinated to try and protest that they are somehow being discriminated against and is appalling to even compare the two.

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

She’s actually right lol,

People might use it for other things but if you actually look up the definition...

Thank you. The Oxford English dictionary definition will tell them this.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

She’s actually right lol,

People might use it for other things but if you actually look up the definition...

Here is the definition - apartheid refers to a political system where people are clearly divided based on race, gender, class or other such factors. Granted the most well known example is the race policies of South Africa

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves. "

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

She’s actually right lol,

People might use it for other things but if you actually look up the definition...

And that is not happening here because those things are things you have no choice over! you do have a choice as to whether you have a vaccine so actually I'm completely right in what I say that what is happening here is not even close to apartheid.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

In answer to the of original post... yes I think you’ll see a rise in the illegals rave scene!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

I will explain this one last time.

Apartheid is an Afrikaans word!

Over the years other groups who are discriminated or segregated due to of their protected characteristics have started using the word so the original meaning is purely based on race.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In answer to the of original post... yes I think you’ll see a rise in the illegals rave scene!

I think that's already been happening.

We saw an increase in the illegal rave scene since the first lockdown.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

I will explain this one last time.

Apartheid is an Afrikaans word!

Over the years other groups who are discriminated or segregated due to of their protected characteristics have started using the word so the original meaning is purely based on race. "

Not cast, educational status or sex then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

I will explain this one last time.

Apartheid is an Afrikaans word!

Over the years other groups who are discriminated or segregated due to of their protected characteristics have started using the word so the original meaning is purely based on race.

Not cast, educational status or sex then? "

Oh dear!

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

I will explain this one last time.

Apartheid is an Afrikaans word!

Over the years other groups who are discriminated or segregated due to of their protected characteristics have started using the word so the original meaning is purely based on race.

Not cast, educational status or sex then?

Oh dear!"

Precisely!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Stolen ...no borrowed from Irish site to share....

By soft_sexy_sweet

An analogy - a seat belt doesn't stop you from getting in a car accident, but it does reduce your chances of getting hurt, or dying, or hurting others in an accident. The more people who wear their seat belts, the fewer deaths and injuries there will be from car accidents, and the injuries that do occur will be less severe. Seat belt = vaccine. Covid = car accident.

Similarly, being vaccinated doesn't eliminate the possibility of transmitting the virus or getting sick from the virus, but it dramatically reduces the chances of both (and the severity of illness), because the vaccine attacks the covid virus and stops it from replicating meaning you have less of it in your system. If you have a low viral load (of any disease) your chances of transmitting it are lower.

Also, vaccination only works effectively on a group level, it's not about individual protection. If enough people are vaccinated, the virus doesn't have the chance to replicate and evolve and get stronger. This is why people don't get polio anymore, for example. It was eradicated through a vaccination programme.

But ultimately the answer to your question is yes - if YOU are not vaccinated, you are more at risk of catching Covid, from anyone. Because you're not vaccinated. Two vaccinated people are incredibly unlikely to pass it between them. So... get vaccinated"

Over 180k tested infections in the last 7 days would beg to differ from that statement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

I will explain this one last time.

Apartheid is an Afrikaans word!

Over the years other groups who are discriminated or segregated due to of their protected characteristics have started using the word so the original meaning is purely based on race.

Not cast, educational status or sex then? "

No that is not the original meaning as has been explained to you several times. Like many words it has been taken over by other groups to mean different things, I dont know how else I can explain this to you.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

I will explain this one last time.

Apartheid is an Afrikaans word!

Over the years other groups who are discriminated or segregated due to of their protected characteristics have started using the word so the original meaning is purely based on race.

Not cast, educational status or sex then?

But it was you that said

The definition of segregation in regards to apartheid is being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex.

Now you’re saying it’s just race

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

I will explain this one last time.

Apartheid is an Afrikaans word!

Over the years other groups who are discriminated or segregated due to of their protected characteristics have started using the word so the original meaning is purely based on race.

Not cast, educational status or sex then?

But it was you that said

The definition of segregation in regards to apartheid is being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex.

Now you’re saying it’s just race "

I give up!

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

Ergo substitute white for vaccinated and hey presto you’ve got apartheid

Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race.

Wrong. Keep digging though

Anybody that is comparing people that cannot go to a nightclub because they choose not to take a vaccine to the racist segregation that took place during apartheid needs a word with themselves.

Haha. So in an attempt to prove your point you then dispel it:

‘being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex’ Not just race then

I will explain this one last time.

Apartheid is an Afrikaans word!

Over the years other groups who are discriminated or segregated due to of their protected characteristics have started using the word so the original meaning is purely based on race.

Not cast, educational status or sex then?

But it was you that said

The definition of segregation in regards to apartheid is being segregated due to your race, cast, educational status or sex.

Now you’re saying it’s just race

I give up!

Good idea

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By *eptimiusMan
over a year ago

East

Anyone hear about the guy In Alberta Canada that went to court and proved that covid os non existance? Now all restrictions have been removed. Dont think Im allowed to post links here

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"In answer to the of original post... yes I think you’ll see a rise in the illegals rave scene!

I think I should like that very much!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone hear about the guy In Alberta Canada that went to court and proved that covid os non existance? Now all restrictions have been removed. Dont think Im allowed to post links here"

You com post links unless it's from news sources I think.

Think you can say the source so but without providing a link but I could be wrong.

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By *ustSomeDarkieMan
over a year ago

Salford

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that."

Tell me

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By *ustSomeDarkieMan
over a year ago

Salford

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

No it doesn't do you need to have a look at the definition of the word is an Afrikaans word. "

The fuck is Afrikkans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

No it doesn't do you need to have a look at the definition of the word is an Afrikaans word.

The fuck is Afrikkans. "

Huh?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Yeah, as a general rule of thumb, if it’s called ‘The Truthseeker’, it’s just because they thought ‘The ConspiracyTheorist’ was going to put people off a bit.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

You see that part that said "an example......."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In answer to the of original post... yes I think you’ll see a rise in the illegals rave scene!

I think I should like that very much! "

Me too, might pop along

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Absolutely.

This is the issue though people making statements and comparing situations that are not even closely comparable.

"An example of Apartheid is a society where white people are considered superior and people of other races are mistreated". Hardly what is happening.

Errrrrrr wrong it means any division in society ... not just colour

No it doesn't do you need to have a look at the definition of the word is an Afrikaans word.

The fuck is Afrikkans. "

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By *immerman100Man
over a year ago

Never never land

This country is soft as shit when it comes to enforcing rules/laws

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

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By *heMightySpud69Man
over a year ago

Milton keynes

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So are the people that are against restrictions and safety happy to get tested for STIs ahead of group events? Or is it a case of nobody can tell you what to do?

Quarantine has been the go to answer for pandemics for over 3,000 years. For all the crying and gnashing of teeth this is not the same hardship that people went through in 1918 nor.in smallpox outbreaks. Get some perspective.

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By *aussageMan
over a year ago

Stalbridge

In the past they only used to quarantine the sick. Today it's just an epidemic of mental illness that is taking over.

Remember when fauci and the WHO said asymptomatic transmission was almost non existent?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"In the past they only used to quarantine the sick. Today it's just an epidemic of mental illness that is taking over.

Remember when fauci and the WHO said asymptomatic transmission was almost non existent? "

Yes, you're quite correct. The upheaval has caused significant harm to people's mental health. But hopefully with high vaccination rates, and places where the vulnerable can go and be guaranteed to be among safer people, that will gradually abate.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

Refusing vaccines and ignoring restrictions will just lead to the epidemic trailing on longer. You cannot fight a virus just by declaring your human rights to it. The longer it does go on, the more the ones who do get jabbed and do obey restrictions will get pissed at the ones that don't, the ones that are keeping the misery going. Either the government will apply increasingly stronger sanctions to the ones causing the problem, or eventually the people will force those sanctions themselves. It's quite a simple choice really. Either do it now. Or sooner or later you will be forced to do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, they actually quarantined cities and districts. They locked down what they could physically hold people in.

They used to out people on islands for 30 days to let any diseases burn out after a long voyage.

It had nothing to do with exactly who was sick or not. It was where there was a risk to the wider community. You would have had to sit your 30 days until the start of the last centuary in some places.

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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago

galway

"Perhaps if they restricted things like supermarket entry, medical care.. perhaps you could say that... but it's not like it's not things you can do without. "

That will be happening in the coming years

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By *ftereightMan
over a year ago

SouthEast

Bring on the middle aged illegal raves please

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By *aussageMan
over a year ago

Stalbridge

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

Has anyone looked at the data? Basically no one is dying in this 3rd wave. We don't have to live in a medical police state. Viruses are just a fact of life.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Has anyone looked at the data? Basically no one is dying in this 3rd wave. We don't have to live in a medical police state. Viruses are just a fact of life. "

So you're thankful for the vaccine programme?

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By *aussageMan
over a year ago

Stalbridge

Well the death rate fell off a cliff when they stopped forcing ventilators on people and went back to using more traditional methods.

Basically last year there were 2 papers published in China about how to deal with covid. They said it was too dangerous to let patients breath when sick so they either needed to be sedated and put on a ventilator or put in a negative pressure ward. Most hospitals have very limited negative pressure rooms so ventilators it was.

The issue was this threw out decades of established protocols on how to treat patients with respiratory infections for something with a known high mortality rate. The WHO took these 2 papers and just rolled out this recommendation to all member states.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

"
cant get my head around all this getting the jab for everyone else most i know have taken the jab for one reason above all others is they wana be able to travel abroad no nobel reason just because they want a holiday as soon as they can without having to isolate

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well the death rate fell off a cliff when they stopped forcing ventilators on people and went back to using more traditional methods.

So you're thankful for the vaccine programme?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

Has anyone looked at the data? Basically no one is dying in this 3rd wave. We don't have to live in a medical police state. Viruses are just a fact of life. "

We're not living in a 'medical police state'. And you didn't answer the questions posited in my post, which are informative.

It's restrictions and vaccines that we have to reduce the impact of the virus on society.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"We have it easy over here compared to most countries.

They are not stopping anyone doing anything essential like shopping etc but if you want to go to a nightclub or eat out then you need to be vaccinated. It's your choice.

It is also worth bearing in mind it is not just here but also in other countries so if you are not jabbed you can't eat in restaurants or got museums while on holiday (that's if you can even get abroad without a vaccine). "
so in effect it’s not your choice you are being forced into somthing you may not wish to do

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"We have it easy over here compared to most countries.

They are not stopping anyone doing anything essential like shopping etc but if you want to go to a nightclub or eat out then you need to be vaccinated. It's your choice.

It is also worth bearing in mind it is not just here but also in other countries so if you are not jabbed you can't eat in restaurants or got museums while on holiday (that's if you can even get abroad without a vaccine). so in effect it’s not your choice you are being forced into somthing you may not wish to do "

Nobody is being "forced" to do anything. People are being encouraged to get vaccinated.

Vaccinated people do not have to go to night clubs or travel abroad.

Cal

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

Has anyone looked at the data? Basically no one is dying in this 3rd wave. We don't have to live in a medical police state. Viruses are just a fact of life.

We're not living in a 'medical police state'. And you didn't answer the questions posited in my post, which are informative.

It's restrictions and vaccines that we have to reduce the impact of the virus on society. "
well there’s also the question that actually the vaccine programs are actually speeding up the rate at which the virus is mutating so there’s also a hidden risk there too????

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"We have it easy over here compared to most countries.

They are not stopping anyone doing anything essential like shopping etc but if you want to go to a nightclub or eat out then you need to be vaccinated. It's your choice.

It is also worth bearing in mind it is not just here but also in other countries so if you are not jabbed you can't eat in restaurants or got museums while on holiday (that's if you can even get abroad without a vaccine). so in effect it’s not your choice you are being forced into somthing you may not wish to do

Nobody is being "forced" to do anything. People are being encouraged to get vaccinated.

Vaccinated people do not have to go to night clubs or travel abroad.

Cal"
so if you want to do this ???? You must do this ???? If not you are a 2nd class Citizen and therefore not allowed

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"We have it easy over here compared to most countries.

They are not stopping anyone doing anything essential like shopping etc but if you want to go to a nightclub or eat out then you need to be vaccinated. It's your choice.

It is also worth bearing in mind it is not just here but also in other countries so if you are not jabbed you can't eat in restaurants or got museums while on holiday (that's if you can even get abroad without a vaccine). so in effect it’s not your choice you are being forced into somthing you may not wish to do

Nobody is being "forced" to do anything. People are being encouraged to get vaccinated.

Vaccinated people do not have to go to night clubs or travel abroad.

Cal

so if you want to do this ???? You must do this ???? If not you are a 2nd class Citizen and therefore not allowed "

There are conditions to many things in life, if you want to travel to several African or Asian countries, there have always been mandatory vaccinations required. If you want to work in the NHS there have been mandatory vaccines required since the 1970s. If you want to work with children, you will need to be given the all clear by police... do these things all make you a second class Citizen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have it easy over here compared to most countries.

They are not stopping anyone doing anything essential like shopping etc but if you want to go to a nightclub or eat out then you need to be vaccinated. It's your choice.

It is also worth bearing in mind it is not just here but also in other countries so if you are not jabbed you can't eat in restaurants or got museums while on holiday (that's if you can even get abroad without a vaccine). so in effect it’s not your choice you are being forced into somthing you may not wish to do

Nobody is being "forced" to do anything. People are being encouraged to get vaccinated.

Vaccinated people do not have to go to night clubs or travel abroad.

Cal

so if you want to do this ???? You must do this ???? If not you are a 2nd class Citizen and therefore not allowed

Exactly.

People fail to understand we have restrictions on certain people doing certain activities and have done for decades.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"well there’s also the question that actually the vaccine programs are actually speeding up the rate at which the virus is mutating so there’s also a hidden risk there too????"

Is it just you posing this question?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Ultimately, I still expect that Covid will eventually disappear. When it does, then the requirement to be vaccinated for travelling or entering clubs etc... Will be dropped.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ultimately, I still expect that Covid will eventually disappear. When it does, then the requirement to be vaccinated for travelling or entering clubs etc... Will be dropped.

Cal"

It's very unlikely to disappear.

Very few virus just disappear.

They become manageable and more treatable but they don't just go away.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"well there’s also the question that actually the vaccine programs are actually speeding up the rate at which the virus is mutating so there’s also a hidden risk there too????

It is a question that has been answered... vaccines do not "speed up the rate at which the virus is mutating".

Viruses mutate because they are simple organisms and their cell division is not as accurate as more complex organisms. It is NOT an intelligent act on the part of the virus to circumvent the abilities of a vaccines defences

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Ultimately, I still expect that Covid will eventually disappear. When it does, then the requirement to be vaccinated for travelling or entering clubs etc... Will be dropped.

Cal"

It'll probably go down, eventually, to levels of most diseases which are notifiable under public health legislation. Public health legislation which includes the power to involuntarily detain those who are suffering such illnesses.

(I have no idea how often that's used or if it's a good thing, but the power existed before Covid)

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Ultimately, I still expect that Covid will eventually disappear. When it does, then the requirement to be vaccinated for travelling or entering clubs etc... Will be dropped.

Cal

----

It's very unlikely to disappear.

Very few virus just disappear.

They become manageable and more treatable but they don't just go away. "

I mean that it will reduce to insignificant enough levels that it ceases to be relevant. You are right that it is fairly likely to be completely eradicated. So it will "disappear off the radar" rather than literally cease to be.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ultimately, I still expect that Covid will eventually disappear. When it does, then the requirement to be vaccinated for travelling or entering clubs etc... Will be dropped.

Cal

----

It's very unlikely to disappear.

Very few virus just disappear.

They become manageable and more treatable but they don't just go away.

Cal"

Have you seen the news coming out of Israel?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"Ultimately, I still expect that Covid will eventually disappear. When it does, then the requirement to be vaccinated for travelling or entering clubs etc... Will be dropped.

Cal

----

It's very unlikely to disappear.

Very few virus just disappear.

They become manageable and more treatable but they don't just go away.

Cal

Have you seen the news coming out of Israel? "

You're obsessed with Israel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ultimately, I still expect that Covid will eventually disappear. When it does, then the requirement to be vaccinated for travelling or entering clubs etc... Will be dropped.

Cal

----

It's very unlikely to disappear.

Very few virus just disappear.

They become manageable and more treatable but they don't just go away.

Cal

Have you seen the news coming out of Israel?

You're obsessed with Israel.

Not as much as you popping up under me all the time

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

How very easily we are divided !! and the Political Class have been playing this game for years and here we go again and we've been heading towards this kind of thing for years and covid is just the cover they need to advance it even more and sadly the so called Anti vaxxer are doing the spade work and heavy lifing for them as seeing most Ant vax sites are backed with money from the Right wing lot ??? and of course the cry will soon go up we need less red tape ( workers rights ..enviromental protection etc etc ) to be competive and then it will be the debt levels ....and unvaccinated will used to show why we need tougher laws etc etc and a crack down of freedom of speech ( already going through ) and people for decades have fed the lie that you can whatever you want without conquences and if you choose to not have the vaccination ( apart from genuine medical grounds) you have to be a adult and accept the conquences of not doing so ..

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Ultimately, I still expect that Covid will eventually disappear. When it does, then the requirement to be vaccinated for travelling or entering clubs etc... Will be dropped.

Cal

----

It's very unlikely to disappear.

Very few virus just disappear.

They become manageable and more treatable but they don't just go away.

Cal

----

Have you seen the news coming out of Israel? "

It's not exactly relevant. What happens in the future is not the same as what is happening now. My views about what "I think WILL happen" remain the same... previous pandemics have taken several years to run their course, but that is what they did.

Cal

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

Has anyone looked at the data? Basically no one is dying in this 3rd wave. We don't have to live in a medical police state. Viruses are just a fact of life.

We're not living in a 'medical police state'. And you didn't answer the questions posited in my post, which are informative.

It's restrictions and vaccines that we have to reduce the impact of the virus on society. well there’s also the question that actually the vaccine programs are actually speeding up the rate at which the virus is mutating so there’s also a hidden risk there too????"

Whatever you may try to claim, we still just have 2 tools to reduce infections, deaths, disabilities, employment and income losses, long Covid, business and economic damage etc. Vaccines and restrictions. Take your pick. Your choice is?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

" How very easily we are divided !! and the Political Class have been playing this game for years and here we go again and we've been heading towards this kind of thing for years and covid is just the cover they need to advance it even more and sadly the so called Anti vaxxer are doing the spade work and heavy lifing for them as seeing most Ant vax sites are backed with money from the Right wing lot ??? and of course the cry will soon go up we need less red tape ( workers rights ..enviromental protection etc etc ) to be competive and then it will be the debt levels ....and unvaccinated will used to show why we need tougher laws etc etc and a crack down of freedom of speech ( already going through ) and people for decades have fed the lie that you can whatever you want without conquences and if you choose to not have the vaccination ( apart from genuine medical grounds) you have to be a adult and accept the conquences of not doing so .."

Whatever games and conspiracies may be claimed, we still have the current problem today. Vaccines or restrictions. Those vaccinated are helping to reduce the dependency on restrictions. You're vaccinated? With each person vaccinated, we're closer to getting far from needing restrictions. There are all kinds of conspiracy theories coming out of the internet, funded largely by enemies - generic antivax individuals earning money from our unrest and ill health, foreign states and others who profit from a damaged society. Whoever they are, getting a higher proportion of the population vaccinated, means that we'll enter the more troubling winter period in a safer, stronger position. Are you encouraging vaccination?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

Has anyone looked at the data? Basically no one is dying in this 3rd wave. We don't have to live in a medical police state. Viruses are just a fact of life.

We're not living in a 'medical police state'. And you didn't answer the questions posited in my post, which are informative.

And unfortunately having allowed the virus to take hold so much, I fear it will need both vaccines and restrictions in order to get control again.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"That's going to be fun.

We may see a resurgence in the illegal rave scene as bonus though

Good. There is absolutely no necessity that the unvaccinated cannot obtain nor are their life chances limited other than by their own actions.

If it was something that o ly effected individual health, like taking malaria tablets on holiday, then I would agree. However, it effects society.

I have no problem with voluntary activities being restricted.

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall

There is not way they can police it anyway, just look at the farcical scenes at Wembley for the final, people were being let in with a random screen shot from Google.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that."

Here is what oxford dictionary says, in case the OP wanted to know.

apartheid

noun: apartheid

(in South Africa) a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.

segregation on grounds other than race.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I suggest you look up the definition of apartheid before spouting absolute nonsense like that.

Here is what oxford dictionary says, in case the OP wanted to know.

apartheid

noun: apartheid

(in South Africa) a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.

segregation on grounds other than race."

It literally translates as apartness.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare free choice of getting a vaccine or not to apartheid. Just idiotic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's going to be fun.

We may see a resurgence in the illegal rave scene as bonus though

Pretend it’s like Brexit and everything is amazing because you don’t get shot for not being vaccinated.

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By *avana8817Man
over a year ago

Consett

Some people on this thread need to get a hobby or a job or something.

The “ i am right and i am going to prove it” is a little weird and far from a personality trait that you should be public announcing.

Why cant you converse openly and nicely?

I am off to work, so let the comments begin as i wont be looking at this thread, i dont care.

Just be better humans!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is absolutely ridiculous to compare free choice of getting a vaccine or not to apartheid. Just idiotic. "

You've got a very twisted view of free choice.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Some people on this thread need to get a hobby or a job or something.

The “ i am right and i am going to prove it” is a little weird and far from a personality trait that you should be public announcing.

Why cant you converse openly and nicely?

I am off to work, so let the comments begin as i wont be looking at this thread, i dont care.

Just be better humans! "

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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago

Manchester Area

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

More fake news?

This is my shocked face

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wrong the definition of apartheid is specifically in relation to race. "

To just offer a ‘fair’ view...

Apartheid is actually the Afrikaans word for ‘separateness’ it’s associated with a period of racial segregation but the word itself is used in many ways a good example being an approach of game reserves for purposes of aiding endangered species.

To use it in the context for medicine is very leading and laughable to be honest. To suggest people foolish enough to buy into conspiracy theories and refuse vaccination are not in control of their fate is crazy. It’s the same principle as an NHS staff member refusing their Hep B vaccination losing their job, it’s their choice and to be blunt, fault.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It is absolutely ridiculous to compare free choice of getting a vaccine or not to apartheid. Just idiotic.

You've got a very twisted view of free choice. "

So have you.

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By *arklong88Man
over a year ago

Brighton/north Wales

"What's the deal OP?

The country has 2 tools to stop things getting worse.

Vaccines, or

Restrictions

Take your pick? What's your choice?

If you want fewer people dead, or suffering organ damage and failure, brain injuries, long Covid

And you want more people to have better job and income prospects, fewer businesses struggling or folding...

You have vaccines and restrictions to get those achievements.

Which did you choose? Are you doing your best for everyone and the country? Have you demanded freedoms but taken no responsibilities?

We still have choices

. Lots of time to get immunity from vaccine doses

It's not quite as simple as that.

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By *hoco DMan
over a year ago

Clapham

"Some of the pro-vaxxers are nuts on this site sorry to say

Look up mass psychosis, it is the thing that drove the witch-hunts back in the, it give you an insight into why people are act this way

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