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"To clarify, I'm not saying those who are vulnerable who require care or the elderly do deserve to be thrown away, just that there are many different types of people on the vulnerable list and we all deserve the best chance of survival. " Absolutely! It has been really horrible to see comments all over the media and social media saying people like us should just shut ourselves away so the rest can just get home with their lives. My partner was on the shielding list from day one and was in the high risk group then added to the shielding list in January. We go on holidays, I was at the time the pandemic hit working, we have families and lives too. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all." Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. " You are wrong. And actually 66% of the UK of the UK population have some form of underlying health condition. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. You are wrong. And actually 66% of the UK of the UK population have some form of underlying health condition. " I'm glad that you were more polite than my initial thoughts Lorna. Thanks  | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. You are wrong. And actually 66% of the UK of the UK population have some form of underlying health condition. I'm glad that you were more polite than my initial thoughts Lorna. Thanks "I wasn't in my head. But I'm trying to remember to apply my filter. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. " Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week "Thank you for being far more eloquent than I could muster. I swore at my screen rather loudly and uttered more rude words. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week "All so the reason the fast majority of people that are "healthy" is as a result of modern medicine. Because they will mostly have had childhood immunizations the hstopped them being disabled from things like polio. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. " Your impression is incorrect. Even if it were correct, does it make these people any more deserving of a slow and painful death? Or is it right that they should stay at home forever rather than everyone doing our bit? Anthropologists sometimes define the start of human civilisation as when we began to help the weak. Ancient remains of skeletons with healed broken bones - showing that we did not just leave the vulnerable to die. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week
All so the reason the fast majority of people that are "healthy" is as a result of modern medicine. Because they will mostly have had childhood immunizations the hstopped them being disabled from things like polio. "Yep. Both my Grandparents had lost a parent to disease before they finished infant school. Grandma's dad died of TB; Grandad's Mum died of some kind of infection. Both would be easily treatable with antibiotics, but these deaths occurred in 1935 and 1938 respectively..... | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all." I think you are all missing the point. The phrase is used to separate out those where C19 is the only or main factor. It isn't designed to undervalue anything else. It's about the statistical expected deaths, against the actual figures. People die all the time and with any new element in play, you have to understand what is likely to be expected. It is nothing to do with undervaluing people or conditions. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. I think you are all missing the point. The phrase is used to separate out those where C19 is the only or main factor. It isn't designed to undervalue anything else. It's about the statistical expected deaths, against the actual figures. People die all the time and with any new element in play, you have to understand what is likely to be expected. It is nothing to do with undervaluing people or conditions. " It doesn't matter if that was the intention and it's not what the reality has been. The language that has been used by many in regards to people with underlying conditions all those who are elderly has been pretty dehumanising. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. I think you are all missing the point. The phrase is used to separate out those where C19 is the only or main factor. It isn't designed to undervalue anything else. It's about the statistical expected deaths, against the actual figures. People die all the time and with any new element in play, you have to understand what is likely to be expected. It is nothing to do with undervaluing people or conditions. " In some contexts it's very much used to suggest that the vulnerable are less than. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. I think you are all missing the point. The phrase is used to separate out those where C19 is the only or main factor. It isn't designed to undervalue anything else. It's about the statistical expected deaths, against the actual figures. People die all the time and with any new element in play, you have to understand what is likely to be expected. It is nothing to do with undervaluing people or conditions. " Many people who perceived their personal risk to be low/zero have been very vociferous in saying that "the vulnerable" should just stay locked away at home and let all the "healthy" people run their own risks with COVID. How do you think that makes someone with diabetes or congenital heart disease or kidney impairment etc feel? These are people that prior to the pandemic will have been going out to work everyday and participating normally in society. Have you tried to access disability support services during the pandemic? Have you tried navigating a wheelchair around shops full of plastic screening? Following inaccessible one way systems that end in stepped exit paths? Etc? | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. " You may be :under the impression' of many things. Where data is available though, it's typically worth being adequately informed instead. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. I think you are all missing the point. The phrase is used to separate out those where C19 is the only or main factor. It isn't designed to undervalue anything else. It's about the statistical expected deaths, against the actual figures. People die all the time and with any new element in play, you have to understand what is likely to be expected. It is nothing to do with undervaluing people or conditions. Many people who perceived their personal risk to be low/zero have been very vociferous in saying that "the vulnerable" should just stay locked away at home and let all the "healthy" people run their own risks with COVID. How do you think that makes someone with diabetes or congenital heart disease or kidney impairment etc feel? These are people that prior to the pandemic will have been going out to work everyday and participating normally in society. Have you tried to access disability support services during the pandemic? Have you tried navigating a wheelchair around shops full of plastic screening? Following inaccessible one way systems that end in stepped exit paths? Etc?" The world since covid has been even more difficult for those with a disability to access and navigate. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. I think you are all missing the point. The phrase is used to separate out those where C19 is the only or main factor. It isn't designed to undervalue anything else. It's about the statistical expected deaths, against the actual figures. People die all the time and with any new element in play, you have to understand what is likely to be expected. It is nothing to do with undervaluing people or conditions. Many people who perceived their personal risk to be low/zero have been very vociferous in saying that "the vulnerable" should just stay locked away at home and let all the "healthy" people run their own risks with COVID. How do you think that makes someone with diabetes or congenital heart disease or kidney impairment etc feel? These are people that prior to the pandemic will have been going out to work everyday and participating normally in society. Have you tried to access disability support services during the pandemic? Have you tried navigating a wheelchair around shops full of plastic screening? Following inaccessible one way systems that end in stepped exit paths? Etc? The world since covid has been even more difficult for those with a disability to access and navigate. " Absolutely. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week "Yes I’d say it to your mates mum 
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week
Yes I’d say it to your mates mum
The same way I said it to my 83 year old Nan "If I said it to *my* grandmother she'd box my ears and I'd immediately lose that half of my family forever. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week
Yes I’d say it to your mates mum
The same way I said it to my 83 year old Nan "If you said that, you'd rightly and deservedly have your face re-arranged, I'd imagine. My friend is the same age as me (35, for the sake of the record). What a deeply unpleasant comment | |||
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"Just because my opinion has ruffled a few feathers! (Again) I believe that all life is precious and no man women child or beast should be made to suffer! " But they have been. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Your impression is incorrect. Even if it were correct, does it make these people any more deserving of a slow and painful death? Or is it right that they should stay at home forever rather than everyone doing our bit? Anthropologists sometimes define the start of human civilisation as when we began to help the weak. Ancient remains of skeletons with healed broken bones - showing that we did not just leave the vulnerable to die." There is also archaeological evidence of new borns, born with a birth defect being discarded. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week
Yes I’d say it to your mates mum
The same way I said it to my 83 year old Nan "As my 89yo Grandfather lay dying of Covid in hospital, I said comforting things to him and showed him pictures of his Great Grandchildren. I cannot comprehend this comment. Absolutely disgusting. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Your impression is incorrect. Even if it were correct, does it make these people any more deserving of a slow and painful death? Or is it right that they should stay at home forever rather than everyone doing our bit? Anthropologists sometimes define the start of human civilisation as when we began to help the weak. Ancient remains of skeletons with healed broken bones - showing that we did not just leave the vulnerable to die. There is also archaeological evidence of new borns, born with a birth defect being discarded." So what is your point? anybody who meet any medical intervention should just be left to die because thats how is coming across. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Your impression is incorrect. Even if it were correct, does it make these people any more deserving of a slow and painful death? Or is it right that they should stay at home forever rather than everyone doing our bit? Anthropologists sometimes define the start of human civilisation as when we began to help the weak. Ancient remains of skeletons with healed broken bones - showing that we did not just leave the vulnerable to die. There is also archaeological evidence of new borns, born with a birth defect being discarded." Yes, and thank god we're better than that now | |||
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"Anyone sitting smugly at home, praising themselves for their astonishing health that requires zero input from modern medicine, wind your necks in. Your life could change tomorrow. If you were in a vehicle accident or got hit by lightning or any other myriad things that can just happen, might have you immediately thanking the great and the good for modern medicine, when they're putting you back together again. Life can change in an instant. Stop thinking you're in some way superior to people who happen to need medical input at the moment. " | |||
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"Anyone sitting smugly at home, praising themselves for their astonishing health that requires zero input from modern medicine, wind your necks in. Your life could change tomorrow. If you were in a vehicle accident or got hit by lightning or any other myriad things that can just happen, might have you immediately thanking the great and the good for modern medicine, when they're putting you back together again. Life can change in an instant. Stop thinking you're in some way superior to people who happen to need medical input at the moment. "  | |||
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"Anyone sitting smugly at home, praising themselves for their astonishing health that requires zero input from modern medicine, wind your necks in. Your life could change tomorrow. If you were in a vehicle accident or got hit by lightning or any other myriad things that can just happen, might have you immediately thanking the great and the good for modern medicine, when they're putting you back together again. Life can change in an instant. Stop thinking you're in some way superior to people who happen to need medical input at the moment. " I think of what happened to Christian Ericsson. If it can happen to a supper fit 29 year old, it can happen to anyone. | |||
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"Anyone sitting smugly at home, praising themselves for their astonishing health that requires zero input from modern medicine, wind your necks in. Your life could change tomorrow. If you were in a vehicle accident or got hit by lightning or any other myriad things that can just happen, might have you immediately thanking the great and the good for modern medicine, when they're putting you back together again. Life can change in an instant. Stop thinking you're in some way superior to people who happen to need medical input at the moment. I think of what happened to Christian Ericsson. If it can happen to a supper fit 29 year old, it can happen to anyone. " I'm sure someone will be along soon to say that they'd happily have told his wife he deserved it or something
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"Anyone sitting smugly at home, praising themselves for their astonishing health that requires zero input from modern medicine, wind your necks in. Your life could change tomorrow. If you were in a vehicle accident or got hit by lightning or any other myriad things that can just happen, might have you immediately thanking the great and the good for modern medicine, when they're putting you back together again. Life can change in an instant. Stop thinking you're in some way superior to people who happen to need medical input at the moment. I think of what happened to Christian Ericsson. If it can happen to a supper fit 29 year old, it can happen to anyone. I'm sure someone will be along soon to say that they'd happily have told his wife he deserved it or something
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"Anyone sitting smugly at home, praising themselves for their astonishing health that requires zero input from modern medicine, wind your necks in. Your life could change tomorrow. If you were in a vehicle accident or got hit by lightning or any other myriad things that can just happen, might have you immediately thanking the great and the good for modern medicine, when they're putting you back together again. Life can change in an instant. Stop thinking you're in some way superior to people who happen to need medical input at the moment. I think of what happened to Christian Ericsson. If it can happen to a supper fit 29 year old, it can happen to anyone. I'm sure someone will be along soon to say that they'd happily have told his wife he deserved it or something
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week
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As my 89yo Grandfather lay dying of Covid in hospital, I said comforting things to him and showed him pictures of his Great Grandchildren.
I cannot comprehend this comment. Absolutely disgusting."Be grateful you where allowed near him as he was covid positive. This was a discussion with my Nan after she contracted covid and was hospitalised for 14days on her own due to her high temperature and age! She was also tested 5 times within 2 weeks prior before finally testing positive | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Your impression is incorrect. Even if it were correct, does it make these people any more deserving of a slow and painful death? Or is it right that they should stay at home forever rather than everyone doing our bit? Anthropologists sometimes define the start of human civilisation as when we began to help the weak. Ancient remains of skeletons with healed broken bones - showing that we did not just leave the vulnerable to die. There is also archaeological evidence of new borns, born with a birth defect being discarded. So what is your point? anybody who meet any medical intervention should just be left to die because thats how is coming across. " Or it could just be a counter debate to your Anthropologists statement. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week
Yes I’d say it to your mates mum
The same way I said it to my 83 year old Nan
As my 89yo Grandfather lay dying of Covid in hospital, I said comforting things to him and showed him pictures of his Great Grandchildren.
I cannot comprehend this comment. Absolutely disgusting.
Be grateful you where allowed near him as he was covid positive.
This was a discussion with my Nan after she contracted covid and was hospitalised for 14days on her own due to her high temperature and age! She was also tested 5 times within 2 weeks prior before finally testing positive "I'm sorry for what happened to your nan but I really dont understand your attitude, it just seems like you want to be nasty. This thread is about people being treated badly because I have an underlying condition and you have come a long and added to that. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Your impression is incorrect. Even if it were correct, does it make these people any more deserving of a slow and painful death? Or is it right that they should stay at home forever rather than everyone doing our bit? Anthropologists sometimes define the start of human civilisation as when we began to help the weak. Ancient remains of skeletons with healed broken bones - showing that we did not just leave the vulnerable to die. There is also archaeological evidence of new borns, born with a birth defect being discarded. So what is your point? anybody who meet any medical intervention should just be left to die because thats how is coming across. Or it could just be a counter debate to your Anthropologists statement. " That wasn't my comment so maybe re read the thread! | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week
Yes I’d say it to your mates mum
The same way I said it to my 83 year old Nan
As my 89yo Grandfather lay dying of Covid in hospital, I said comforting things to him and showed him pictures of his Great Grandchildren.
I cannot comprehend this comment. Absolutely disgusting.
Be grateful you where allowed near him as he was covid positive.
This was a discussion with my Nan after she contracted covid and was hospitalised for 14days on her own due to her high temperature and age! She was also tested 5 times within 2 weeks prior before finally testing positive "I'm immensely grateful for being able to put on so much PPE that it was impossible to communicate with him, yes. And I actually mean that I'm grateful I was able to spend 6hrs with him. Read back your comments and try and see how they would be incredibly offensive to people with medical conditions or disabilities. Why the heck would you say anything so horrible to your own Grandmother in her hour of need?? | |||
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"Anyone sitting smugly at home, praising themselves for their astonishing health that requires zero input from modern medicine, wind your necks in. Your life could change tomorrow. If you were in a vehicle accident or got hit by lightning or any other myriad things that can just happen, might have you immediately thanking the great and the good for modern medicine, when they're putting you back together again. Life can change in an instant. Stop thinking you're in some way superior to people who happen to need medical input at the moment. I think of what happened to Christian Ericsson. If it can happen to a supper fit 29 year old, it can happen to anyone. I'm sure someone will be along soon to say that they'd happily have told his wife he deserved it or something
I'm really, really cross right now
I know and you are not the only one. Xx"
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"Anyone sitting smugly at home, praising themselves for their astonishing health that requires zero input from modern medicine, wind your necks in. Your life could change tomorrow. If you were in a vehicle accident or got hit by lightning or any other myriad things that can just happen, might have you immediately thanking the great and the good for modern medicine, when they're putting you back together again. Life can change in an instant. Stop thinking you're in some way superior to people who happen to need medical input at the moment. I think of what happened to Christian Ericsson. If it can happen to a supper fit 29 year old, it can happen to anyone. I'm sure someone will be along soon to say that they'd happily have told his wife he deserved it or something
I'm really, really cross right now
I know and you are not the only one. Xx
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"My Nan didn’t die! She’s was back home after 14 days and fighting fit after about a week later. Was purely backing up my initial opinion about underlying health issues. Apologies if Iv caused you any offence or upset you in anyway. " Surely you can say how your words have been upsetting? No one has an issue with people having a different opinion however your wording was insensitive at best. I'm glad that your Nan is ok but I still dont understand what that has to do with people with underlying health conditions feeling marginalised and being dehumanised which is what this thread is about. | |||
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"My Nan didn’t die! She’s was back home after 14 days and fighting fit after about a week later. Was purely backing up my initial opinion about underlying health issues. Apologies if Iv caused you any offence or upset you in anyway. " I'm very pleased for your Grandmother. My Grandfather went out in a wooden box. His Covid was caught from conspiracy theorising family members who deliberately flouted the rules because they didn't a) believe in Covid and b) denied they could possibly become ill anyway. Their selfish behaviour expedited my Grandfather's demise. His actual death was alone behind a curtain (I'd been allowed to visit prior but he clung on till I'd been asked to leave). One of the conspiracy theorists family members also died of Covid but the one left behind still denies and this is something that's killed their own husband and father. If you think everyone with underlying health issues somehow deserves to die young and by being slowly starved of oxygen*, then you have an incredibly unpleasant view of the world. That's the polite way to phrase it. *Other unpleasant diseases are available. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all." I think what they are meaning to say is sadly the elderly and those with underlying health conditions are dying because when they get the virus it hiti them hard because they are weaker because of age and health. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. I think what they are meaning to say is sadly the elderly and those with underlying health conditions are dying because when they get the virus it hiti them hard because they are weaker because of age and health. "It is often not the context that it is used in though. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. " It’s an interesting theory but... without the advances seen in this country over the last 200 years you’d have had a 40% chance of surviving child birth in the squalor that was Birmingham, you’d almost certainly be departing this earth in your late 40’s as a male in that environment should of course you last that long. Your argument holds as much weight as a bag of air love. There’s a fabulous phrase in Emergency Medicine: “people don’t care about your knowledge and skill, until they understand that you care”. In honesty, the same applies here, whatever intelligence is in your thinking or point, it’s lost, you’re phrasing is just confrontational, it’s deliberate and I could be wrong but I think most just read your post and thought it’s made by some attention seeking b@££end. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” " It's annoying to say the least. It's a form of reductionism, by which I mean the narrative being pushed by some media is "Don't worry about the pandemic. It's only old/sick/disabled people with other conditions that are dying." It's a hideous message, and it devalues other people, reducing them to nothing of worth. It's also a dangerous message, as it downplays the importance of the virus, and those foolish enough to take onboard that narrative *may* take more risks believing themselves to be immune (because they are not old/sick/disabled). The message should be more empathic, caring, protective and supportive, not nihilistically dismissive. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” It's annoying to say the least. It's a form of reductionism, by which I mean the narrative being pushed by some media is "Don't worry about the pandemic. It's only old/sick/disabled people with other conditions that are dying." It's a hideous message, and it devalues other people, reducing them to nothing of worth. It's also a dangerous message, as it downplays the importance of the virus, and those foolish enough to take onboard that narrative *may* take more risks believing themselves to be immune (because they are not old/sick/disabled). The message should be more empathic, caring, protective and supportive, not nihilistically dismissive." It absolutely is a hideous message. I thought we were better than this as a society | |||
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"Most people with underlying health issues who have unfortunately died from Covid would still be alive if it wasn’t for Covid. They are not disposable. I’m sick and tired of people that think we shouldn’t have locked down and just let Covid run through society killing the vulnerable" That's what Johnson originally wanted us to do. I distinctly remember him making a speech, saying we should just "take it on the chin". | |||
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"Most people with underlying health issues who have unfortunately died from Covid would still be alive if it wasn’t for Covid. They are not disposable. I’m sick and tired of people that think we shouldn’t have locked down and just let Covid run through society killing the vulnerable That's what Johnson originally wanted us to do. I distinctly remember him making a speech, saying we should just "take it on the chin"." Yep, the bastard | |||
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"It's made me hate people. A lot of the human race is fucking vile. " Their selfish | |||
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"It's made me hate people. A lot of the human race is fucking vile. Their selfish " I dont think necessarily they are selfish I genuinely think they just dont know what they are talking about. I think the majority that say these kind of things find it easier To reconcile with themselves if they haven't stuck to the rules to say oh well they were seriously sick and going to die anyway. I don't think they realise that 66% of the population are either elderly or have an underlying health condition. Its very much an attitude of survival of the fittest. | |||
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"It's made me hate people. A lot of the human race is fucking vile. Their selfish I dont think necessarily they are selfish I genuinely think they just dont know what they are talking about. I think the majority that say these kind of things find it easier To reconcile with themselves if they haven't stuck to the rules to say oh well they were seriously sick and going to die anyway. I don't think they realise that 66% of the population are either elderly or have an underlying health condition. Its very much an attitude of survival of the fittest. " Maybe but isn’t “survival of the fittest” selfish? | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday "And may there be many more for you x | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
And may there be many more for you x"Aw, thanks Swing
Some people, eh? X | |||
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"It's made me hate people. A lot of the human race is fucking vile. Their selfish I dont think necessarily they are selfish I genuinely think they just dont know what they are talking about. I think the majority that say these kind of things find it easier To reconcile with themselves if they haven't stuck to the rules to say oh well they were seriously sick and going to die anyway. I don't think they realise that 66% of the population are either elderly or have an underlying health condition. Its very much an attitude of survival of the fittest. Maybe but isn’t “survival of the fittest” selfish? " I would say ignorant rather than selfish. Its ignorant to think the people that consist of themselves healthy will almost certainly not always be healthy and I think they would then suddenly change there tune. I think some of the comments that I have found the most offensive not just on here but on other platforms, Have been people who said anyone who is valuable should shut themselves away so everyone else can just get on with life because its about the majority! are some of the same people now refusing to have the vaccine and kicking off because they are somehow going to be restricted. These people probably find themselves in a minority for the 1st time and don't know how to handle it so throw their toys out the Pram. | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday "Disgraceful behaviour, madam! I sincerely hope you were not handing out cups of tea or showing off your new loo seat earlier either? Obviously you should have been hiding behind the sofa, making sure that even your cat/the neighbour's cat(s) remained at least a broom handles' length away! | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
And may there be many more for you x"Seconded. Xx | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
And may there be many more for you x
Aw, thanks Swing
Some people, eh? X"Absolutely. But I remember the outpouring of support at the start of this. Offers of help in communities. So I'm not giving up on humanity just yet. | |||
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"It's made me hate people. A lot of the human race is fucking vile. Their selfish I dont think necessarily they are selfish I genuinely think they just dont know what they are talking about. I think the majority that say these kind of things find it easier To reconcile with themselves if they haven't stuck to the rules to say oh well they were seriously sick and going to die anyway. I don't think they realise that 66% of the population are either elderly or have an underlying health condition. Its very much an attitude of survival of the fittest. Maybe but isn’t “survival of the fittest” selfish? I would say ignorant rather than selfish. Its ignorant to think the people that consist of themselves healthy will almost certainly not always be healthy and I think they would then suddenly change there tune. I think some of the comments that I have found the most offensive not just on here but on other platforms, Have been people who said anyone who is valuable should shut themselves away so everyone else can just get on with life because its about the majority! are some of the same people now refusing to have the vaccine and kicking off because they are somehow going to be restricted. These people probably find themselves in a minority for the 1st time and don't know how to handle it so throw their toys out the Pram. " Yes. Being a minority isn't nice, is it? Y'don't say... No one has ever suffered such hardship before you. Woe. Woe is you. I'm so moved by your plight.  | |||
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And may there be many more for you x
Aw, thanks Swing
Some people, eh? X
Absolutely.
But I remember the outpouring of support at the start of this. Offers of help in communities. So I'm not giving up on humanity just yet."This is true. I think it's easy to forget that actually it's only a minority of people that thing like this but unfortunately they normally shout very loudly about it so it sticks in the mind more. | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
And may there be many more for you x
Aw, thanks Swing
Some people, eh? X
Absolutely.
But I remember the outpouring of support at the start of this. Offers of help in communities. So I'm not giving up on humanity just yet.
This is true. I think it's easy to forget that actually it's only a minority of people that thing like this but unfortunately they normally shout very loudly about it so it sticks in the mind more. "Definitely. And as someone who's tired from my effort over the pandemic, who has underlying conditions, and whose disability has been thrown under the bus during this repeatedly - I'm fucking pissed off by it all. | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
Disgraceful behaviour, madam! I sincerely hope you were not handing out cups of tea or showing off your new loo seat earlier either? Obviously you should have been hiding behind the sofa, making sure that even your cat/the neighbour's cat(s) remained at least a broom handles' length away!"Shush you! Don't tell everybody! | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
Disgraceful behaviour, madam! I sincerely hope you were not handing out cups of tea or showing off your new loo seat earlier either? Obviously you should have been hiding behind the sofa, making sure that even your cat/the neighbour's cat(s) remained at least a broom handles' length away!
Shush you!
Don't tell everybody! "It's a nice loo seat, to be fair. I'll write the veri later  | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
And may there be many more for you x
Aw, thanks Swing
Some people, eh? X
Absolutely.
But I remember the outpouring of support at the start of this. Offers of help in communities. So I'm not giving up on humanity just yet.
This is true. I think it's easy to forget that actually it's only a minority of people that thing like this but unfortunately they normally shout very loudly about it so it sticks in the mind more. "Don't they just! The "I'm alright, Jack" brigade. Very unpleasant trait. But yes, there are lovely humans around too. Thank god!  | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
Disgraceful behaviour, madam! I sincerely hope you were not handing out cups of tea or showing off your new loo seat earlier either? Obviously you should have been hiding behind the sofa, making sure that even your cat/the neighbour's cat(s) remained at least a broom handles' length away!
Shush you!
Don't tell everybody!
It's a nice loo seat, to be fair. I'll write the veri later "It's a whole new bloody loo, not just the seat! Can't believe you didn't realise - it was so shiny! I hope this Veri is going to be more factual.... | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
And may there be many more for you x
Aw, thanks Swing
Some people, eh? X
Absolutely.
But I remember the outpouring of support at the start of this. Offers of help in communities. So I'm not giving up on humanity just yet.
This is true. I think it's easy to forget that actually it's only a minority of people that thing like this but unfortunately they normally shout very loudly about it so it sticks in the mind more.
Definitely.
And as someone who's tired from my effort over the pandemic, who has underlying conditions, and whose disability has been thrown under the bus during this repeatedly - I'm fucking pissed off by it all. "Aw, Swing! We've all appreciated your efforts, vaccine knowledge & all things medical. Thank you xx | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
Disgraceful behaviour, madam! I sincerely hope you were not handing out cups of tea or showing off your new loo seat earlier either? Obviously you should have been hiding behind the sofa, making sure that even your cat/the neighbour's cat(s) remained at least a broom handles' length away!
Shush you!
Don't tell everybody!
It's a nice loo seat, to be fair. I'll write the veri later
It's a whole new bloody loo, not just the seat! Can't believe you didn't realise - it was so shiny! I hope this Veri is going to be more factual.... "I did say I wasn't scoring out of 10
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"Can I make one simple point... Despite these statistics coming from the NHS, they where only ever intended to gain a greater understanding of our patients, potential risks and importantly how best we may treat them. Since day one of this pandemic all patients have been treated with nothing but the highest degree of care. There’s been plenty of rubbish spouted about enforced DNR’s over the past 18 months but the reality is everything has been done for everyone unfortunate enough to need hospitalisation with covid. "Yes. This isn't about the NHS, I don't think, more the public rhetoric. Those with underlying conditions can stay at home if they're scared, the majority want to live their lives. Why are we putting up with such tyranny for a minority, etc. The data are useful - but have been spun in a way which is... unpleasant. | |||
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"Can I make one simple point... Despite these statistics coming from the NHS, they where only ever intended to gain a greater understanding of our patients, potential risks and importantly how best we may treat them. Since day one of this pandemic all patients have been treated with nothing but the highest degree of care. There’s been plenty of rubbish spouted about enforced DNR’s over the past 18 months but the reality is everything has been done for everyone unfortunate enough to need hospitalisation with covid. "We know this Charli. It's just the red top reading numpties that believe that rubbish. And thank you again for all your did x | |||
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
And may there be many more for you x
Aw, thanks Swing
Some people, eh? X
Absolutely.
But I remember the outpouring of support at the start of this. Offers of help in communities. So I'm not giving up on humanity just yet.
This is true. I think it's easy to forget that actually it's only a minority of people that thing like this but unfortunately they normally shout very loudly about it so it sticks in the mind more.
Definitely.
And as someone who's tired from my effort over the pandemic, who has underlying conditions, and whose disability has been thrown under the bus during this repeatedly - I'm fucking pissed off by it all.
Aw, Swing! We've all appreciated your efforts, vaccine knowledge & all things medical. Thank you xx"Oh, thank you 
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"Ooh, I'm late to the party cos I was out this evening. A rare occurrence as I was a shielder. I still wore my mask & socially distanced, just in case. You've all challenged the rather unpleasant comments thrown about, much better than I ever could have. I'd have been given a time out for what came to my mind! So thanks you all. *Old, immune compromised, disposable, NHS service - waster signing out. **And damn glad that, due to modern medicine, I'm still here to enjoy my upcoming 54th birthday
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Aw, thanks Swing
Some people, eh? X
Absolutely.
But I remember the outpouring of support at the start of this. Offers of help in communities. So I'm not giving up on humanity just yet.
This is true. I think it's easy to forget that actually it's only a minority of people that thing like this but unfortunately they normally shout very loudly about it so it sticks in the mind more.
Definitely.
And as someone who's tired from my effort over the pandemic, who has underlying conditions, and whose disability has been thrown under the bus during this repeatedly - I'm fucking pissed off by it all.
Aw, Swing! We've all appreciated your efforts, vaccine knowledge & all things medical. Thank you xx
Oh, thank you
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"Can I make one simple point... Despite these statistics coming from the NHS, they where only ever intended to gain a greater understanding of our patients, potential risks and importantly how best we may treat them. Since day one of this pandemic all patients have been treated with nothing but the highest degree of care. There’s been plenty of rubbish spouted about enforced DNR’s over the past 18 months but the reality is everything has been done for everyone unfortunate enough to need hospitalisation with covid. "Agreed. I dont have a problem with the underlying health condition term being used in a clinical sense. It's when people use to try and dismiss people or undermine the tragedy of it all. X | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week "What a terrible way of thinking. I sometimes question people's humanity which really stinks some times. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. I think you are all missing the point. The phrase is used to separate out those where C19 is the only or main factor. It isn't designed to undervalue anything else. It's about the statistical expected deaths, against the actual figures. People die all the time and with any new element in play, you have to understand what is likely to be expected. It is nothing to do with undervaluing people or conditions. " | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Death is the only thing promised to us all! We’re all going to die some day! However I’m kind of under the impression that the people who are unfortunately dying from covid complications are people who would without the advances of today’s technology/society be dead already. Poppycock. COVID has killed people who either had no idea they had an underlying condition or didn't have an underlying condition at all. And even if it did somehow exclusively kill coffin dodgers who've benefited from modern medicine care, are you going to say that to my mate's mum, because he was born with kidney failure and has had three transplants, for example?! She'd rightly send you into next week
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives" I quite agree. A suitable form of shielding would be for all people in shared spaces to wear some form of simple face covering that provided a degree of limiting the distance that exhaled droplets could travel, to avoid crowding close to people who might be susceptible to infection, for everyone that possibly can to get themselves vaccinated, for people to regularly self test if there is any chance that they might have been exposed to covid, and for anyone that does have any indication of being infected to quarantine themselves until given a medical all clear. Even if each of these measures in isolation provided only 20% protection, the combined result if strictly observed by everyone would be to reduce infection levels to almost zero within two months. As all these measures are almost trivially easy, it seems completely unreasonable and utterly anti-social for anybody to refuse to follow them. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives" And you dont think that attitude somehow diminishes the lives of those with underlying conditions because we do have lives country to popular belief and jobs and families and futures. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives I quite agree. A suitable form of shielding would be for all people in shared spaces to wear some form of simple face covering that provided a degree of limiting the distance that exhaled droplets could travel, to avoid crowding close to people who might be susceptible to infection, for everyone that possibly can to get themselves vaccinated, for people to regularly self test if there is any chance that they might have been exposed to covid, and for anyone that does have any indication of being infected to quarantine themselves until given a medical all clear. Even if each of these measures in isolation provided only 20% protection, the combined result if strictly observed by everyone would be to reduce infection levels to almost zero within two months. As all these measures are almost trivially easy, it seems completely unreasonable and utterly anti-social for anybody to refuse to follow them." Quite. Imagine considering an alternative more onerous on the vulnerable - we're better than this | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all." I care as much now as I did prior to covid when certain vulnerable members of society were at risk from the flu People are only concerned now because they think their neck is on the chopping block. Narcissism and self preservation dressed up as nobility | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives And you dont think that attitude somehow diminishes the lives of those with underlying conditions because we do have lives country to popular belief and jobs and families and futures. I think they are under the impression that all vulnerable people are responsible for their loss of"freedoms" and by locking everyone away in bubbles they are free to go wild and do whatever the fuck they like, whilst we all look through envious eyes out of our hermetically sealed rooms breathing through tube's." It's a ridiculous fantasy and puts blame on the wrong place, on those least able to make large amounts of difference. Try blaming the lack of coherent public health policy and jumping the gun on relaxations. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives Adrian, your a 55 year old male... if you gained a high exposure to Covid-19 and where hospitalised you’d be in horrific trouble. You also have a very good chance of having a underlying condition whether that’s detected or not x " And all it would take is a few coughs in your general direction from an infected person... | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives Adrian, your a 55 year old male... if you gained a high exposure to Covid-19 and where hospitalised you’d be in horrific trouble. You also have a very good chance of having a underlying condition whether that’s detected or not x " This! I've had 2 friends that didn't know they had a risk factor until they had covid. One got really ill with covid, he didn't need hospital treatment but was treated at the local hot hub and found he had really high blood pressure which was probably why even know he was only 43 and fairly fit or so he thought was quite poorly. The other was a 41 year old lady who was overweight but only by 18lb's was hospitalised with covid and while there she was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives So lock us all away while you "healthy" folk enjoy your life? Indefinite detention for being vulnerable. Lovely. Something I would have liked more businesses to do at the height of the pandemic would of been to have set hours reserved for those deemed vulnerable (I.e elderly or underlying health conditions). Maybe having a safer space created might of allowed/encouraged people to venture out more rather than feeling in indefinite detention?" I know supermarkets did that - but the staff and other vulnerable people are still a risk. The fact is that relatively small effort by all of us could have made a huge difference to those told to shield. (including those who are shielding again now) | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives So lock us all away while you "healthy" folk enjoy your life? Indefinite detention for being vulnerable. Lovely. Something I would have liked more businesses to do at the height of the pandemic would of been to have set hours reserved for those deemed vulnerable (I.e elderly or underlying health conditions). Maybe having a safer space created might of allowed/encouraged people to venture out more rather than feeling in indefinite detention? I know supermarkets did that - but the staff and other vulnerable people are still a risk. The fact is that relatively small effort by all of us could have made a huge difference to those told to shield. (including those who are shielding again now)" I remember supermarkets doing that and at the start of the pandemic, during the panic buying stage, crowds of people bum rushing the doors | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives So lock us all away while you "healthy" folk enjoy your life? Indefinite detention for being vulnerable. Lovely. Something I would have liked more businesses to do at the height of the pandemic would of been to have set hours reserved for those deemed vulnerable (I.e elderly or underlying health conditions). Maybe having a safer space created might of allowed/encouraged people to venture out more rather than feeling in indefinite detention? I know supermarkets did that - but the staff and other vulnerable people are still a risk. The fact is that relatively small effort by all of us could have made a huge difference to those told to shield. (including those who are shielding again now)" There was a noisy push, including from the great Barrington 'debate', to create a divided society, with the vulnerable displaced from the rest of us. It hadn't been worked through with much thought, due to the huge volumes of vulnerable people and the intricacies of our society. Expecting new ghettos of BAME and disabled people, massive levels of elderly people cut off from others. It would not have been possible for carers and people involved with them to assist them in any way, unless those people also were segregated. It would have meant the majority of the population shielding, huge logistical nightmares. And from what we know about the virus, they would have had to be 100% cut off from everyone else. If they hadn't been, it would have meant that the virus entered this closed, displaced society and run rampantly amongst them, similar to what happened in care homes. To someone it seemed like a bright idea but it was unworkable in our real world. We should have targeted those bringing it in to the country and then putting massive efforts in the tracing of contacts of the early groups that were seeded here from overseas. We disbanded local contact tracing teams instead and let the virus spread amongst everyone and helped it to attack the vulnerable, by pushing NHS discharge of infected people in to care homes. Unfortunately our levels of vulnerable people are so very large here and reliant on many people who aren't vulnerable. A segregated society would take a huge logistical effort and still probably hotbed the problem, before it escaped into the rest of us. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives So lock us all away while you "healthy" folk enjoy your life? Indefinite detention for being vulnerable. Lovely. Something I would have liked more businesses to do at the height of the pandemic would of been to have set hours reserved for those deemed vulnerable (I.e elderly or underlying health conditions). Maybe having a safer space created might of allowed/encouraged people to venture out more rather than feeling in indefinite detention? I know supermarkets did that - but the staff and other vulnerable people are still a risk. The fact is that relatively small effort by all of us could have made a huge difference to those told to shield. (including those who are shielding again now) There was a noisy push, including from the great Barrington 'debate', to create a divided society, with the vulnerable displaced from the rest of us. It hadn't been worked through with much thought, due to the huge volumes of vulnerable people and the intricacies of our society. Expecting new ghettos of BAME and disabled people, massive levels of elderly people cut off from others. It would not have been possible for carers and people involved with them to assist them in any way, unless those people also were segregated. It would have meant the majority of the population shielding, huge logistical nightmares. And from what we know about the virus, they would have had to be 100% cut off from everyone else. If they hadn't been, it would have meant that the virus entered this closed, displaced society and run rampantly amongst them, similar to what happened in care homes. To someone it seemed like a bright idea but it was unworkable in our real world. We should have targeted those bringing it in to the country and then putting massive efforts in the tracing of contacts of the early groups that were seeded here from overseas. We disbanded local contact tracing teams instead and let the virus spread amongst everyone and helped it to attack the vulnerable, by pushing NHS discharge of infected people in to care homes. Unfortunately our levels of vulnerable people are so very large here and reliant on many people who aren't vulnerable. A segregated society would take a huge logistical effort and still probably hotbed the problem, before it escaped into the rest of us. " I think this push persists, and it's part of the nastiness going on. Stay imprisoned at home forever and hope that it's enough, while we people who assume we'll be fine get our lives back. I also wonder if GBD is part of the rationale behind all restrictions being removed. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives So lock us all away while you "healthy" folk enjoy your life? Indefinite detention for being vulnerable. Lovely. Something I would have liked more businesses to do at the height of the pandemic would of been to have set hours reserved for those deemed vulnerable (I.e elderly or underlying health conditions). Maybe having a safer space created might of allowed/encouraged people to venture out more rather than feeling in indefinite detention? I know supermarkets did that - but the staff and other vulnerable people are still a risk. The fact is that relatively small effort by all of us could have made a huge difference to those told to shield. (including those who are shielding again now) I remember supermarkets doing that and at the start of the pandemic, during the panic buying stage, crowds of people bum rushing the doors "Our supermarkets did it at stupid times though. Clearly the vulnerable and disabled weren't expected to be working (from home, for example) because the "quiet" hours were usually something like 9-10am on a Wednesday. Nothing at the weekend and nothing in the post 5pm time slots. Actually, supermarkets at any time have been a nightmare for wheelchair users. All the plastic screening and queuing systems were quite often not wheelchair friendly. My local supermarket (Sainsbury's) left me with one solitary conveyor belt that I could access, due to screening making the gaps between conveyors too narrow for the chair. However, this "wide" aisle (lovely turn of phrase) was almost never staffed, so you had to go pushing all around trying to find someone to open it. It was also the conveyor at the far end of the line, next to the Argos kiosk and people would use it to by-pass the one way system. I frequently had people turning the corner and whacking into me while I was trying to pay, or people trying to climb over me to avoid walking around the store. Also queuing - this involved snaking up and down kerbs in the car park, none of which were dropped kerbs and therefore completely unsuitable for wheelchairs. Eventually, the security guard came over (as I sat in the access road with cars driving around me) and said I could come to the front of the queue. The people at the front objected very vociferously (because they'd been queuing for an hour) and I've never felt like I stuck out like a sore thumb quite so much. I went in, but endured people glaring at me all the way around. The level of acceptance that the various systems were NOT inclusive was zero. Tonight is the first time I've physically been into this Sainsbury's since "freedom day" and all the screening between conveyors has gone, as have the screens to make the self-serve tills into individual kiosks (these have been completely inaccessible to me since March 2020). This evening, I could use ANY conveyor (and could have used the self service tills too). I didn't have to wait for the "wide" aisle. I didn't crash into things due to the narrowed aisles with screening in situ. I didn't have people pushing past and climbing over me. I'm thankful it's gone back to "normal", to be honest. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all." I suspect many of those that say it may have undiagnosed health conditions, bit late to find out once they have caught covid. I was diagnosed with blood pressure and my travel insurance stayed the same, as ''it those of a similar age that have not been diagnosed who are a greater insurance risk'' I was told. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives Adrian, your a 55 year old male... if you gained a high exposure to Covid-19 and where hospitalised you’d be in horrific trouble. You also have a very good chance of having a underlying condition whether that’s detected or not x " This is an illness that people have a 99.7% chance of surviving. The 0.3% that don't survive it are overwhelmingly of extreme old age or in otherwise poor health. The correct policy from Day One would have been to concentrate on them and their protection. Good opportunity for virtue signalling from lickdowners though | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives Adrian, your a 55 year old male... if you gained a high exposure to Covid-19 and where hospitalised you’d be in horrific trouble. You also have a very good chance of having a underlying condition whether that’s detected or not x This is an illness that people have a 99.7% chance of surviving. The 0.3% that don't survive it are overwhelmingly of extreme old age or in otherwise poor health. The correct policy from Day One would have been to concentrate on them and their protection. Good opportunity for virtue signalling from lickdowners though" Love to know where you got that figure from. If you read up via medical resources, it's v hard to put an exact number on such a thing. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives Adrian, your a 55 year old male... if you gained a high exposure to Covid-19 and where hospitalised you’d be in horrific trouble. You also have a very good chance of having a underlying condition whether that’s detected or not x This is an illness that people have a 99.7% chance of surviving. The 0.3% that don't survive it are overwhelmingly of extreme old age or in otherwise poor health. The correct policy from Day One would have been to concentrate on them and their protection. Good opportunity for virtue signalling from lickdowners though Love to know where you got that figure from. If you read up via medical resources, it's v hard to put an exact number on such a thing." Go and have a look | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives Adrian, your a 55 year old male... if you gained a high exposure to Covid-19 and where hospitalised you’d be in horrific trouble. You also have a very good chance of having a underlying condition whether that’s detected or not x This is an illness that people have a 99.7% chance of surviving. The 0.3% that don't survive it are overwhelmingly of extreme old age or in otherwise poor health. The correct policy from Day One would have been to concentrate on them and their protection. Good opportunity for virtue signalling from lickdowners though Love to know where you got that figure from. If you read up via medical resources, it's v hard to put an exact number on such a thing. Go and have a look" I did look. At various medical sources. Hence what I said above. | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all." Govt playing down the severity The papers and tv etc follow it thru Typical Tory diversionary tactic | |||
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"Why do people keep saying “well it’s only the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that are dying” I’m sorry but when did people with these conditions become less human? Why is it ok that they died? Why is this an acceptable phrase? I’ve seen it several times in this virus forum now and it makes me wonder if you are human at all. Govt playing down the severity The papers and tv etc follow it thru Typical Tory diversionary tactic " It's not just in the UK. I fear that this unpleasant facet of humanity is international. | |||
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"An average of 1,500 (one thousdand five hundred) people die every day in the UK. Some years it is a little more, some years it is a little less. Is it okay for hundreds to die every day from Cancer and Heart Disease? But not okay for anyone to die of Covid. Respiratory diseases/ viruses are endemic in hospitals and Care Homes. Everyone knows and understands that respiratory viruses quickly develop in the very fragile, sick, weak and ill. Every rersource should have been put into those areas from Day One. No-one is saying that its "okay" for those vulnerable groups to have a high morbidity from Covid... it is simply a statement of fact. Those who think they can abolish Death should get themselves a chair and sit shouting at an incoming tide. Like King Canute. Pour resources into the most vulnerable... don't lock up the healthy and those not at any real risk. 12 Million people now waitiung on NHS treatment that is up from 1,400 (one thousand four hundred) waiting over a year back in Feb 2020." So lock up the vulnerable? And hope that you're not vulnerable and you don't know it yet, I guess. Or won't get long Covid or your kids won't. Or you don't need medical attention for something else while the run down doctors deal with Covid running rampant. | |||
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"An average of 1,500 (one thousdand five hundred) people die every day in the UK. Some years it is a little more, some years it is a little less. Is it okay for hundreds to die every day from Cancer and Heart Disease? But not okay for anyone to die of Covid. Respiratory diseases/ viruses are endemic in hospitals and Care Homes. Everyone knows and understands that respiratory viruses quickly develop in the very fragile, sick, weak and ill. Every rersource should have been put into those areas from Day One. No-one is saying that its "okay" for those vulnerable groups to have a high morbidity from Covid... it is simply a statement of fact. Those who think they can abolish Death should get themselves a chair and sit shouting at an incoming tide. Like King Canute. Pour resources into the most vulnerable... don't lock up the healthy and those not at any real risk. 12 Million people now waitiung on NHS treatment that is up from 1,400 (one thousand four hundred) waiting over a year back in Feb 2020. So lock up the vulnerable? And hope that you're not vulnerable and you don't know it yet, I guess. Or won't get long Covid or your kids won't. Or you don't need medical attention for something else while the run down doctors deal with Covid running rampant." You've misread what he said | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives Adrian, your a 55 year old male... if you gained a high exposure to Covid-19 and where hospitalised you’d be in horrific trouble. You also have a very good chance of having a underlying condition whether that’s detected or not x This is an illness that people have a 99.7% chance of surviving. The 0.3% that don't survive it are overwhelmingly of extreme old age or in otherwise poor health. The correct policy from Day One would have been to concentrate on them and their protection. Good opportunity for virtue signalling from lickdowners though Love to know where you got that figure from. If you read up via medical resources, it's v hard to put an exact number on such a thing. Go and have a look I did look. At various medical sources. Hence what I said above." What percentage do you think are killed by coronavirus? | |||
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"An average of 1,500 (one thousdand five hundred) people die every day in the UK. Some years it is a little more, some years it is a little less. Is it okay for hundreds to die every day from Cancer and Heart Disease? But not okay for anyone to die of Covid. Respiratory diseases/ viruses are endemic in hospitals and Care Homes. Everyone knows and understands that respiratory viruses quickly develop in the very fragile, sick, weak and ill. Every rersource should have been put into those areas from Day One. No-one is saying that its "okay" for those vulnerable groups to have a high morbidity from Covid... it is simply a statement of fact. Those who think they can abolish Death should get themselves a chair and sit shouting at an incoming tide. Like King Canute. Pour resources into the most vulnerable... don't lock up the healthy and those not at any real risk. 12 Million people now waitiung on NHS treatment that is up from 1,400 (one thousand four hundred) waiting over a year back in Feb 2020. So lock up the vulnerable? And hope that you're not vulnerable and you don't know it yet, I guess. Or won't get long Covid or your kids won't. Or you don't need medical attention for something else while the run down doctors deal with Covid running rampant. You've misread what he said" So lock up the vulnerable with a lot of resources? Hope it doesn't get in? Hope you're not vulnerable? Hope the NHS doesn't get overwhelmed? Hope that long Covid isn't a ticking time bomb for those we assume will be fine? | |||
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"An average of 1,500 (one thousdand five hundred) people die every day in the UK. Some years it is a little more, some years it is a little less. Is it okay for hundreds to die every day from Cancer and Heart Disease? But not okay for anyone to die of Covid. Respiratory diseases/ viruses are endemic in hospitals and Care Homes. Everyone knows and understands that respiratory viruses quickly develop in the very fragile, sick, weak and ill. Every rersource should have been put into those areas from Day One. No-one is saying that its "okay" for those vulnerable groups to have a high morbidity from Covid... it is simply a statement of fact. Those who think they can abolish Death should get themselves a chair and sit shouting at an incoming tide. Like King Canute. Pour resources into the most vulnerable... don't lock up the healthy and those not at any real risk. 12 Million people now waitiung on NHS treatment that is up from 1,400 (one thousand four hundred) waiting over a year back in Feb 2020. So lock up the vulnerable? And hope that you're not vulnerable and you don't know it yet, I guess. Or won't get long Covid or your kids won't. Or you don't need medical attention for something else while the run down doctors deal with Covid running rampant." The vulnerable have been locked up for nearly 18 months or haven't you noticed. My Mum is in her 90's and I got my first visit since March 2020 in June 2021. She wasn't allowed out of the Home to bury her husband of over 60 years in June 2020. Covid wasn't running rampant in the Care Home. My Mum wasn't ill and neither was I. The NHS has been effectively shut down for everything but Covid for 18 months. My no. 2 son is a type one diabetic and his clinics and six-weekly blood tests were simply stopped for 15 months. He had to have an emergency hospitalisation in JunMay 2021. He nearly died for the want of basic NHS treatment. Steering a car crash into a burning bridge then driving a train into it really isn't good health policy. Protect the vulnerable and work from there. The Nightingale Hospitals were not needed. The NHS wasn't overwhelmed. The NHS must be allowed to return to a proper functioning Health Service - Covid or no Covid. We are vaccinated, masked and distanced... need to just get on with it. Oh yeah - eat your five-a-day! | |||
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"An average of 1,500 (one thousdand five hundred) people die every day in the UK. Some years it is a little more, some years it is a little less. Is it okay for hundreds to die every day from Cancer and Heart Disease? But not okay for anyone to die of Covid. Respiratory diseases/ viruses are endemic in hospitals and Care Homes. Everyone knows and understands that respiratory viruses quickly develop in the very fragile, sick, weak and ill. Every rersource should have been put into those areas from Day One. No-one is saying that its "okay" for those vulnerable groups to have a high morbidity from Covid... it is simply a statement of fact. Those who think they can abolish Death should get themselves a chair and sit shouting at an incoming tide. Like King Canute. Pour resources into the most vulnerable... don't lock up the healthy and those not at any real risk. 12 Million people now waitiung on NHS treatment that is up from 1,400 (one thousand four hundred) waiting over a year back in Feb 2020. So lock up the vulnerable? And hope that you're not vulnerable and you don't know it yet, I guess. Or won't get long Covid or your kids won't. Or you don't need medical attention for something else while the run down doctors deal with Covid running rampant. You've misread what he said So lock up the vulnerable with a lot of resources? Hope it doesn't get in? Hope you're not vulnerable? Hope the NHS doesn't get overwhelmed? Hope that long Covid isn't a ticking time bomb for those we assume will be fine?" He didn't say to lock up the vulnerable, although that may be required. After all we were all locked up last year...so it would just be the same as last year but for fewer people | |||
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"An average of 1,500 (one thousdand five hundred) people die every day in the UK. Some years it is a little more, some years it is a little less. Is it okay for hundreds to die every day from Cancer and Heart Disease? But not okay for anyone to die of Covid. Respiratory diseases/ viruses are endemic in hospitals and Care Homes. Everyone knows and understands that respiratory viruses quickly develop in the very fragile, sick, weak and ill. Every rersource should have been put into those areas from Day One. No-one is saying that its "okay" for those vulnerable groups to have a high morbidity from Covid... it is simply a statement of fact. Those who think they can abolish Death should get themselves a chair and sit shouting at an incoming tide. Like King Canute. Pour resources into the most vulnerable... don't lock up the healthy and those not at any real risk. 12 Million people now waitiung on NHS treatment that is up from 1,400 (one thousand four hundred) waiting over a year back in Feb 2020. So lock up the vulnerable? And hope that you're not vulnerable and you don't know it yet, I guess. Or won't get long Covid or your kids won't. Or you don't need medical attention for something else while the run down doctors deal with Covid running rampant. You've misread what he said So lock up the vulnerable with a lot of resources? Hope it doesn't get in? Hope you're not vulnerable? Hope the NHS doesn't get overwhelmed? Hope that long Covid isn't a ticking time bomb for those we assume will be fine? He didn't say to lock up the vulnerable, although that may be required. After all we were all locked up last year...so it would just be the same as last year but for fewer people" So you'd be willing to sacrifice the freedom of some people? Did you not read what this thread was about? I fear both of you have missed the point. That the vulnerable are being asked to pay incredibly high prices, and are being treated as less valuable, while those who don't think they're vulnerable don't want to inconvenience themselves. (Btw, I'm not medically vulnerable for these purposes. Just empathetic  ) | |||
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"On 5 March 2019, 24·4% of the UK population were at risk due to a record of at least one underlying health condition, including 8·3% of school-aged children, 19·6% of working-aged adults, and 66·2% of individuals aged 70 years or more. 7·1% of the population had multimorbidity. Due to the virus infecting multiple organs, people often have a mild respiratory infection, closely followed by cardiovascular problems and kidney and liver failure. If that isn’t bad enough, the digestive system is also attacked. I don’t think I’ll go into the brain problems…." | |||
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"On 5 March 2019, 24·4% of the UK population were at risk due to a record of at least one underlying health condition, including 8·3% of school-aged children, 19·6% of working-aged adults, and 66·2% of individuals aged 70 years or more. 7·1% of the population had multimorbidity. Due to the virus infecting multiple organs, people often have a mild respiratory infection, closely followed by cardiovascular problems and kidney and liver failure. If that isn’t bad enough, the digestive system is also attacked. I don’t think I’ll go into the brain problems…."
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" The vulnerable have already been locked up for nearly 18 months or haven't you noticed? My Mum is in her 90's and I got my first visit since March 2020 in June 2021. She needs dental treatment, a Chiropodist and some skin cancer dealt with... Care Home unable to get appointments for any of these conditions and this is for the generation that built the NHS. She wasn't allowed out of the Home to bury her husband of over 60 years in June 2020. Covid wasn't running rampant in the Care Home. My Mum wasn't ill and neither was I. She thought her children had all forgotten about her and turned their backs on her. The NHS has been effectively shut down for everything but Covid for 18 months. My no. 2 son is a type one diabetic and his clinics and six-weekly blood tests were simply stopped for 15 months. He had to have an emergency hospitalisation in May/Jun 2021. He nearly died for the want of his normal, basic and essential NHS treatment. Steering a car crash into a burning bridge then driving a train into it really isn't good health policy. Protect the vulnerable and work from there. The Nightingale Hospitals were not needed. The NHS wasn't overwhelmed. The NHS must be allowed to return to a proper fully functioning Health Service - Covid or no Covid. We are vaccinated, masked and distanced... need to just get on with it. Oh yeah - eat your five-a-day! £37 Billion to Didlo Hardong for her Track & Trace Pingdemic? £700 Million for Eat Out To Help Out? Is that why my Mum can barely walk, eat and has skin cancer outbreaks across her face? Open up the NHS so that people's illnesses and conditions can be dealt with - like The NHS used to.! " Awful experiences for you all. The NHS, whilst it has resumed services as well as it is able to, had funding cuts from 2010, so started the pandemic from a weak foundation. As infection numbers are now back to the winter levels, the country is in a very precarious state - and the NHS could face further impacts, should hospitalisations increase, whilst they are trying to face the backlog. Some people think it's all over, despite their unwillingness to vaccinate or take the most minimal effort to help to protect us all. | |||
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" The vulnerable have already been locked up for nearly 18 months or haven't you noticed? My Mum is in her 90's and I got my first visit since March 2020 in June 2021. She needs dental treatment, a Chiropodist and some skin cancer dealt with... Care Home unable to get appointments for any of these conditions and this is for the generation that built the NHS. She wasn't allowed out of the Home to bury her husband of over 60 years in June 2020. Covid wasn't running rampant in the Care Home. My Mum wasn't ill and neither was I. She thought her children had all forgotten about her and turned their backs on her. The NHS has been effectively shut down for everything but Covid for 18 months. My no. 2 son is a type one diabetic and his clinics and six-weekly blood tests were simply stopped for 15 months. He had to have an emergency hospitalisation in May/Jun 2021. He nearly died for the want of his normal, basic and essential NHS treatment. Steering a car crash into a burning bridge then driving a train into it really isn't good health policy. Protect the vulnerable and work from there. The Nightingale Hospitals were not needed. The NHS wasn't overwhelmed. The NHS must be allowed to return to a proper fully functioning Health Service - Covid or no Covid. We are vaccinated, masked and distanced... need to just get on with it. Oh yeah - eat your five-a-day! £37 Billion to Didlo Hardong for her Track & Trace Pingdemic? £700 Million for Eat Out To Help Out? Is that why my Mum can barely walk, eat and has skin cancer outbreaks across her face? Open up the NHS so that people's illnesses and conditions can be dealt with - like The NHS used to.! Awful experiences for you all. The NHS, whilst it has resumed services as well as it is able to, had funding cuts from 2010, so started the pandemic from a weak foundation. As infection numbers are now back to the winter levels, the country is in a very precarious state - and the NHS could face further impacts, should hospitalisations increase, whilst they are trying to face the backlog. Some people think it's all over, despite their unwillingness to vaccinate or take the most minimal effort to help to protect us all. " The "summer crisis" blows my mind. | |||
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"I've never heard anyone say that the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions are less important. What people do say, and I've said it myself, is that the disproportionate number of deaths in those groups suggests there may have been a better way of handling coronavirus.. to boot, 'shielding' them in some way while those less at risk get on with their lives Adrian, your a 55 year old male... if you gained a high exposure to Covid-19 and where hospitalised you’d be in horrific trouble. You also have a very good chance of having a underlying condition whether that’s detected or not x This is an illness that people have a 99.7% chance of surviving. The 0.3% that don't survive it are overwhelmingly of extreme old age or in otherwise poor health. The correct policy from Day One would have been to concentrate on them and their protection. Good opportunity for virtue signalling from lickdowners though Love to know where you got that figure from. If you read up via medical resources, it's v hard to put an exact number on such a thing. Go and have a look I did look. At various medical sources. Hence what I said above. What percentage do you think are killed by coronavirus?" It's actually v unclear if you dig into medical data. It varies with age, health conditions, country etc. That's why I asked where you got your % from. | |||
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