FabSwingers.com forum: Self isolation exemption

By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

Okay I'm confused.

My daughter tested positive for covid last week. I rang work, and after checking the new rules, was told I am exempt from self isolation due to working in care.

However upon reading the actual notes on this... it is only an exemption for work? Am I right?

As if so it makes no sense what so ever... that I can go into work and work with really vulnerable people, but cant stop off on my way home to grab some shopping.

Am I reading the notes wrong... I don't think I am.... now I've been happy to follow the rules ( okay at the start I used volunteering as a way to not be stuck in the house and travel around but it wasnt breaking rules)

But this seems silly. I can understand minimising where I go while I have someone with a positive covid case... but my head is saying the last place I should be is working with vulnerable people.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

I think it depends if you are alert level 3 or 4 for health workers!

If you know who the contact is, have confirmed you’ve been in contact or have been contacted by track and trace then it’s still a legal requirement to isolate even if a health care worker.

I think the one your allowed to return on is level 3, when the app advises you you’ve been in contact but don’t know who and you’ve not been contacted by track and trace xx

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

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"I think it depends if you are alert level 3 or 4 for health workers!

If you know who the contact is, have confirmed you’ve been in contact or have been contacted by track and trace then it’s still a legal requirement to isolate even if a health care worker.

I think the one your allowed to return on is level 3, when the app advises you you’ve been in contact but don’t know who and you’ve not been contacted by track and trace xx"
no clue. Work just told me that I do not have to isolate and must come in. My daughter is the contact and track and trace called me yesterday to tell me to self isolate till 2nd August. I asked them on the phone and they couldn't tell me. Just that yes some double vaccinated are allowed to carry on going to work.

Told work and they said I still must come in

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

Oh and it's my teenage daughter I live with, so definitely had contact

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Oh and it's my teenage daughter I live with, so definitely had contact"

I’m 99.99% sure health care can’t over rule track and trace as an “official” contact!

Only the app!

I agree, I’d not be comfortable going in. Xx

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By *ed velvet thornWoman
over a year ago

over the rainbow

My understanding is that if its direct contact then still got to isolate...... if its nhs app ping then as long as your vaccinated then can still work but test more regularly over the week to 10 days

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

That seems quite mad, and I'd be really uncomfortable going into work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Okay I'm confused.

My daughter tested positive for covid last week. I rang work, and after checking the new rules, was told I am exempt from self isolation due to working in care.

However upon reading the actual notes on this... it is only an exemption for work? Am I right?

As if so it makes no sense what so ever... that I can go into work and work with really vulnerable people, but cant stop off on my way home to grab some shopping.

But this seems silly. I can understand minimising where I go while I have someone with a positive covid case... but my head is saying the last place I should be is working with vulnerable people."

You are correct. Can go to work, but must still isolate all other times.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Okay I'm confused.

My daughter tested positive for covid last week. I rang work, and after checking the new rules, was told I am exempt from self isolation due to working in care.

However upon reading the actual notes on this... it is only an exemption for work? Am I right?

As if so it makes no sense what so ever... that I can go into work and work with really vulnerable people, but cant stop off on my way home to grab some shopping.

But this seems silly. I can understand minimising where I go while I have someone with a positive covid case... but my head is saying the last place I should be is working with vulnerable people."

I have just read the rules and what I can make out is:

1) You must take a PCR test and it should be negative before going into work

2) Take a daily LFT

3) Only go to work, isolate as normal outside of work

4) Not to work with clinically extremely vulnerable patients or residents, as determined by the organisation

Are the people you work with clinically extremely vulnerable and are assessed as that by the organisation you work for?

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Okay I'm confused.

My daughter tested positive for covid last week. I rang work, and after checking the new rules, was told I am exempt from self isolation due to working in care.

However upon reading the actual notes on this... it is only an exemption for work? Am I right?

As if so it makes no sense what so ever... that I can go into work and work with really vulnerable people, but cant stop off on my way home to grab some shopping.

But this seems silly. I can understand minimising where I go while I have someone with a positive covid case... but my head is saying the last place I should be is working with vulnerable people.

I have just read the rules and what I can make out is:

1) You must take a PCR test and it should be negative before going into work

2) Take a daily LFT

3) Only go to work, isolate as normal outside of work

4) Not to work with clinically extremely vulnerable patients or residents, as determined by the organisation

Are the people you work with clinically extremely vulnerable and are assessed as that by the organisation you work for? "

They are mostly over 85 with varying health conditions.

I am doing the daily lft and had 2 negative pcr before returning to work. I've been wearing full ppe despite not needing to for any contact and been trying to avoid direct contact where possible. ( made easier as I mostly work nights)

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"I think it depends if you are alert level 3 or 4 for health workers!

If you know who the contact is, have confirmed you’ve been in contact or have been contacted by track and trace then it’s still a legal requirement to isolate even if a health care worker.

I think the one your allowed to return on is level 3, when the app advises you you’ve been in contact but don’t know who and you’ve not been contacted by track and trace xx no clue. Work just told me that I do not have to isolate and must come in. My daughter is the contact and track and trace called me yesterday to tell me to self isolate till 2nd August. I asked them on the phone and they couldn't tell me. Just that yes some double vaccinated are allowed to carry on going to work.

Told work and they said I still must come in "

You have to remember who pays your wages at end of it all

Track and trace dont but your company does.

If you need to self-isolate or cannot attend work due to coronavirus

.gov site info

Dismissal

Employers

Dismissing an employee who cannot attend work due to coronavirus should be a last resort. You should consider alternative arrangements like facilitating working from home, or agreeing annual leave or unpaid leave.

Coronavirus: your rights at work

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"I think it depends if you are alert level 3 or 4 for health workers!

If you know who the contact is, have confirmed you’ve been in contact or have been contacted by track and trace then it’s still a legal requirement to isolate even if a health care worker.

Told work and they said I still must come in "

Get a written, signed statement from your company saying that they recognise that you have been told to isolate by T&T, but that they have still told you that you must come into work. Otherwise when it spreads to your vulnerable people, your company is going to say that you never told them, it's all your fault, nothing to do with them.

I rather suspect that given the care homes scandal from the first wave, when your company owner has to sign personal responsibility, they will suddenly decide a change of policy.

Of course it may be that so many of your company's staff have been told to isolate that they simply cannot manage to provide care for their clients. But even if this is the case, it is up to the company owners to take legal responsibility for their policy decisions. They should be issuing a clear policy statement to both employees and clients, and also ensuring that they have got agreement from government care services (or whoever is responsible). Ultimately decisions like this should be made by the Health Secretary, and it is the Health Secretary who should take the legal responsibility.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I thought it was a legal requirement to isolate if track and trace contacts you.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"That seems quite mad, and I'd be really uncomfortable going into work."

On another system people were told to travel to work, including via public transport, to get tested. This again posed risks to everyone, if they'd been positive.

I'd be uncomfortable if work requests seemed to be at odds with official advice. The system that was announced a week or so ago, had the ability for employers to request exemption for named staff, in the potentially exempted work categories. I didn't see more on how that progressed.

I'd probably ask for confirmation of the exact rule that my employer was using to insist that I worked, with the specified exemption criteria details.

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I thought it was a legal requirement to isolate if track and trace contacts you. "
unless excempt. Work have said that applies to me. I asked track and trace and they said if that was the case then yes that was okay. But they couldn't tell me more than that as they didnt really know how it worked.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I've seen information about the 19th July change, which introduced this.

It states daily testing and isolation apart from the time at work. No mention of what staff travelling by public transport, to and from work, should do. Seems a poor, barely thought through change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I rather suspect that given the care homes scandal from the first wave, when your company owner has to sign personal responsibility, they will suddenly decide a change of policy.

A good friend had a similar issue at work he did the above and the manager did a very quick about turn after he checked with HR.

It's clear they are confusing the advisory pingdemic due to Bluetooth contact with randoms with the legal track and trace policy which is confirmed close contacts in your case a family member under the same roof.

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

I rather suspect that given the care homes scandal from the first wave, when your company owner has to sign personal responsibility, they will suddenly decide a change of policy.

A good friend had a similar issue at work he did the above and the manager did a very quick about turn after he checked with HR.

KJ"
I checked with them this morning and I have it in writing that I'm expected to be in and am permitted to break self isolation for work purposes only.

They have apparently checked and double checked.

I have however said my daughter is too poorly for me to come in tomorrow which is my only shift before my isolation comes to an end

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I hope she feels better soon

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

They have apparently checked and double checked.

Who did they check with if track and trace didn't know and it isn't mentioned on the government website ?

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By *harliebbwWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

what i think is really silly I work for a supermarket chain... so I am allowed in the business for the reasons of the business... but I am not allowed to shop in that business... all a little confusing I think

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"what i think is really silly I work for a supermarket chain... so I am allowed in the business for the reasons of the business... but I am not allowed to shop in that business... all a little confusing I think "

Very confusing indeed ! Hard to make sense of it all.

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

They have apparently checked and double checked.

Who did they check with if track and trace didn't know and it isn't mentioned on the government website ? "
they have an official note. And it is on the website.

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I hope she feels better soon"
she is okay now to be fair but I am not happy to go in to work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Okay I'm confused.

My daughter tested positive for covid last week. I rang work, and after checking the new rules, was told I am exempt from self isolation due to working in care.

However upon reading the actual notes on this... it is only an exemption for work? Am I right?

As if so it makes no sense what so ever... that I can go into work and work with really vulnerable people, but cant stop off on my way home to grab some shopping.

But this seems silly. I can understand minimising where I go while I have someone with a positive covid case... but my head is saying the last place I should be is working with vulnerable people."

Avery good question indeed. I assumed probably like most people that you were exempt what ever you did being a care worker but you are right in your thinking... Can I go to the shops to do some shopping or fill the car up at the petrol station. Wish I knew the answer. Good luck.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

I'd be concerned Cali because if your site had an infection and a resident died, there's always going to be an investigation. Staff records will be examined, including their current statuses. You may want to clarify how protected you are as an employee in such circumstances.

And let's conjecture that a member of staff who shouldn't be in the home, is in the home and passes the virus on to a resident and they die. Beyond the resident's demise, I dread to think the shitstorm that would ensue. Be careful and take care.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"A very good question indeed. I assumed probably like most people that you were exempt what ever you did being a care worker"

Personally, if my loved one was in a care home and died of covid, I'd be pushing for a full investigation as to how they contacted it (and I know care homes are keeping meticulous notes on visitors and staff covid records).

I don't care if the staff member was "exempt". IF they passed it on, I'd be pushing for a private prosecution at the very least.

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

Well the official thing is apparently unless I get symptoms or test positive I'm meant to come in. In fact I've been asked to do extra shifts. I'm only expected to take lft before my shift. After an initial negative pcr. I am doing a pcr 4 times a week currently.

Thankfully my daughter is no longer testing as positive and her self isolation ends Sunday.. mine is Monday as she had been at her fathers and thats where she got it from ( her step sister) she had returned home before she knew the risk.

I however do not think I should have been in at work and have made that very clear. And have spoken with all the managers and the owners. I'm surprised as one of our residents daughters tested positive and she was put into isolation.

The other staff however agree with me that I should have not had to come In

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch

"Well the official thing is apparently unless I get symptoms or test positive I'm meant to come in. In fact I've been asked to do extra shifts. I'm only expected to take lft before my shift. After an initial negative pcr. I am doing a pcr 4 times a week currently.

The other staff however agree with me that I should have not had to come In "

Ffs. Some employers are idiots. You MUST isolate. Simple.

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

The other staff however agree with me that I should have not had to come In

Ffs. Some employers are idiots. You MUST isolate. Simple. "
but I am apart from work. Had this happened before the rules changed I'd have to have been off for 10 days and my employer would have paid me. Now I am not expected to be off and I didnt get paid for the 2 shifts I missed waiting for my negative pcr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think in scotland self isolation exemption is voluntary and not manditory and should only be encouraged in exceptional circumstances and line managers should do risk assessments etc but no idea about england.

https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/infections-and-poisoning/coronavirus-covid-19/test-and-protect/coronavirus-covid-19-self-isolation-exemption-for-approved-critical-workers

Just got it from that

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

As I said I am saying I'm not coming in as need to look after my daughter but I am expected to be in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just strange they would push isolation exemption working with vulnerable people, manager should have exhausted other options, tried their best to arrange cover etc.

Hopefully they not dickish because you didnt go in. Many others wouldnt either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your work place is wrong. I work in NHS and obviously the rules for NHS staff are what care homes etc are copying but if someone in your household is positive you MUST isolate this is from our updated guide.

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

If at any point you do become symptomatic, you can use the staff COVID-19 testing courier service or one of the national sites to book a test. If you test positive, you should begin a new 10 day isolation period from the day of the test. If you are negative, you can leave isolation and return to work on the 11th day, if you are well.

The testing daily LFT after a PCR is only if you have have a ping or a track and trace saying you have been in contact with someone outside of household and you have no symptoms etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's been similar instances of this at my place of work OP.

Even crazier is that there is a confirmed positive case in the home, as it's only 1 case, not classed as an outbreak, so Public Health guidelines state we can still have Joe public come visit without being double jabbed, even though all staff have to be. So have took it on ourselves to put our own measures into place to better protect residents, staff and public.

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Your work place is wrong. I work in NHS and obviously the rules for NHS staff are what care homes etc are copying but if someone in your household is positive you MUST isolate this is from our updated guide.

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

The testing daily LFT after a PCR is only if you have have a ping or a track and trace saying you have been in contact with someone outside of household and you have no symptoms etc "
thanks I have passed this on and still been told that thats incorrect. Do you have a link I can send them x

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I may have missed this above but doesn't it all change again in 2 weeks? So that if youre double jabbed nobody needs to isolate unless they test positive?

Following the rules and doing the right thing to not infect others may be very different things now.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

The testing daily LFT after a PCR is only if you have have a ping or a track and trace saying you have been in contact with someone outside of household and you have no symptoms etc "

This says differently….

From today (Monday 19 July), double-vaccinated frontline NHS and social care staff in England who have been told to self-isolate will be permitted to attend work in exceptional circumstances and replaced by testing mitigations.

This will include staff who have been contacted as a close contact of a case of COVID-19 by NHS Test and Trace, or advised to self-isolate by the NHS COVID-19 app.

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over a year ago

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

The testing daily LFT after a PCR is only if you have have a ping or a track and trace saying you have been in contact with someone outside of household and you have no symptoms etc

This says differently….

This will include staff who have been contacted as a close contact of a case of COVID-19 by NHS Test and Trace, or advised to self-isolate by the NHS COVID-19 app.

And if you read the actual statement

yes they are permitted but not within the same household. My friend could go to work because she had been in close contact with someone who didn’t live with her. 2 of my other friends/ work colleagues have had to isolate because people in their household have covid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

The testing daily LFT after a PCR is only if you have have a ping or a track and trace saying you have been in contact with someone outside of household and you have no symptoms etc thanks I have passed this on and still been told that thats incorrect. Do you have a link I can send them x"

I don’t think I can link it because it’s on my staff intranet page unfortunately

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

I don’t think I can link it because it’s on my staff intranet page unfortunately"
okay but surely they will have the same sort of list. There information is off the email they were sent saying they can have the exemption. As I say I'm saying I can't come in but I am expected to be in and as such not being paid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

I don’t think I can link it because it’s on my staff intranet page unfortunately okay but surely they will have the same sort of list. There information is off the email they were sent saying they can have the exemption. As I say I'm saying I can't come in but I am expected to be in and as such not being paid "

They should have. I’ll see if I can get something with it all on because it says what to do in each circumstance

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

They should have. I’ll see if I can get something with it all on because it says what to do in each circumstance "

Just because you may be exempt doesnt mean you are compelled to go in. Check your companies sick pay policy for what pay you should be receiving whilst isolating

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

They should have. I’ll see if I can get something with it all on because it says what to do in each circumstance

Just because you may be exempt doesnt mean you are compelled to go in. Check your companies sick pay policy for what pay you should be receiving whilst isolating"
we are desperately understaffed. And we dont now get paid to isolate unless we test positive x I've only got this evenings shift. I've managed to swap it with another staff member and doing their Wednesday evening shift instead now. So I'm okay x

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Isolation: Positive household member

21st July 2021

If a member of your household (someone you live with or part of your household bubble) has tested positive, you must isolate for 10 days beginning the day of the household member’s positive test.

They should have. I’ll see if I can get something with it all on because it says what to do in each circumstance

Just because you may be exempt doesnt mean you are compelled to go in. Check your companies sick pay policy for what pay you should be receiving whilst isolating we are desperately understaffed. And we dont now get paid to isolate unless we test positive x I've only got this evenings shift. I've managed to swap it with another staff member and doing their Wednesday evening shift instead now. So I'm okay x"

Glad you got a workaround Cali

. It's been poorly managed, with clear, precise support guidance of these new rule changes, not widely available. It doesn't surprise me that Test and Trace didn't have any help for you.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

Conflicting, hard to fathom pandemic rules and advice from the government? Surely not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have told if I’m pinged I have to have a negative PCR test and then lateral flow tests every day to come in to work

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By *irtyold manMan
over a year ago

barnsley

What do you expect with a clown running the circus

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"I have told if I’m pinged I have to have a negative PCR test and then lateral flow tests every day to come in to work"

What happens if you are contacted by Track and trace ?

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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I have told if I’m pinged I have to have a negative PCR test and then lateral flow tests every day to come in to work

What happens if you are contacted by Track and trace ?"
same.. unless you actually have symptoms.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

I don't care if the staff member was "exempt". IF they passed it on, I'd be pushing for a private prosecution at the very least."

I foresee a massive new opportunity for an infection related claims and insurance industry to burgeon.

Watch this space!

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

Thought you could go to work as long as you test negative every day

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I don't care if the staff member was "exempt". IF they passed it on, I'd be pushing for a private prosecution at the very least.

I foresee a massive new opportunity for an infection related claims and insurance industry to burgeon.

Watch this space!"

There will be no case for litigation if they are following government guidance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't care if the staff member was "exempt". IF they passed it on, I'd be pushing for a private prosecution at the very least.

I foresee a massive new opportunity for an infection related claims and insurance industry to burgeon.

Watch this space!

There will be no case for litigation if they are following government guidance. "

Baring in mind that a fully vaccinated member of staff can still infect another person it would be impossible to prove that it was a non vaccinated that was responsible for infecting a patient.

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