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"It's difficult to say if this is part of a longer term trend. The infection test results reflect infections caught a week or so earlier - we're looking at what happened on the ground a couple of weeks back. Certainly jt will be great news if this continues "It is great news, if accurate. I do wonder, though, how many people ditched the app and tests the moment they were effectively told by the government they were once more free to do whatever they wanted. That would seriously mess with the numbers. | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play?" It's hard to say how accurate or not, time will tell I suppose, could be that with schools braking up there not getting tested, could Also be people due to go on holiday not willing to get a test in case it ruins there plans. Next few weeks should clear thing up a little more | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play? It's hard to say how accurate or not, time will tell I suppose, could be that with schools braking up there not getting tested, could Also be people due to go on holiday not willing to get a test in case it ruins there plans. Next few weeks should clear thing up a little more " The testing is running at similar daily levels as when schools were in, except for 2/3 times a week it was raised by a couple 100,000 in term time. Hard to say why levels are currently dropping, but it’s great news and long may it continue. | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play?" Hoping it stays this way, positive about this now Mr | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play? Hoping it stays this way, positive about this now Mr" Nooooo don't be positive. You'll bring the numbers back up.  | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play? Hoping it stays this way, positive about this now Mr Nooooo don't be positive. You'll bring the numbers back up. "Lol got to be positive, sick of reading all the negatives in here. Nice to see someone post some good news. | |||
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"I was really pleasantly surprised to hear about this, especially given the numbers of kids I know who have been told to isolate. It does rather suggest that schools were a large part of the problem unless the timing was a coincidence. " Schools tend to be very unique in isolatiing whole classes of 30 if a bubble burst. Adults tend to work in smaller groups and are less likely to be in close contact than kids, just think how nits spreads in kids. You don't out grown nits you just have more spacial distancing as you get older. Now they are not in school they are by defactor not in close contact with 30 other kids. This 3 wave has been far smaller on the serious case front and appears to be blowing itself out more quickly. But need to give it 2 weeks to fully see the impacts. | |||
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The fact the the dropping of positive cases, hospital admissions is a good thing.
Lots of good data and graphs in the link below to show ejats hapoening. The fact this is happening after restrictions ended is certainly unexpected but we need 2 more weeks of data to look at the impact of ending all restrictions.
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"Could it be due to: a) the euros finishing b) high schools and colleges finishing I’m no genius, but remember this happening last year, then the kids (who back then didn’t get Covid and didn’t spread Covid) went back to school in September - and by October we were back in the shit with blame falling right at the feet of pub and restaurant go-ers from eat out to help out. Time will tell " I think its clear that the education sector from nursery to university is a huge vector for covid transmission in almost a year and a half of data and examples the infection numbers have played this out over and over. Another big wave will no doubt start 2 to 4 weeks after all the schools and universities (back in classrooms again) in September its pretty much a given sadly. I hope genuinely that I am wrong. Let's just hope that certain hospitality areas / businesses with very low transmission history don't pay the price (again). Hopefully the vaccine programme continues (as it is now) to keep deaths and hospitalization numbers at a manageable level to allow society to operate as normal (as we are finally experiencing). KJ | |||
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"Could it be due to: a) the euros finishing b) high schools and colleges finishing I’m no genius, but remember this happening last year, then the kids (who back then didn’t get Covid and didn’t spread Covid) went back to school in September - and by October we were back in the shit with blame falling right at the feet of pub and restaurant go-ers from eat out to help out. Time will tell I think its clear that the education sector from nursery to university is a huge vector for covid transmission in almost a year and a half of data and examples the infection numbers have played this out over and over. Another big wave will no doubt start 2 to 4 weeks after all the schools and universities (back in classrooms again) in September its pretty much a given sadly. I hope genuinely that I am wrong. Let's just hope that certain hospitality areas / businesses with very low transmission history don't pay the price (again). Hopefully the vaccine programme continues (as it is now) to keep deaths and hospitalization numbers at a manageable level to allow society to operate as normal (as we are finally experiencing). KJ" Schools in Scotland did not take the bubble approach that England did. At my kid's high school, there were very few positive cases and though some in my kids classes, not close enough contacts for my boys to be asked to isolate. This has been the experience of many others i know whose kids also haven't had to isolate. Seems the approach in England created a problem that could have been avoided with a more sensible approach. Re: universities, I'm not convinced they're a source for spread either. Edinburgh university has been piloting a saliva based covid test and since the beginning of this year been using it to test asymptomatic individuals. Out of around 25000 tests, they identified TEN positive cases. That's 10 people who didn't know they had covid. With those numbers, I personally wouldn't be afraid of stepping foot on campus. | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play?" Ask again in a couple of weeks. I really hope so, but case numbers could also be because people aren’t having / reporting positive tests. At present, we’ve got ~40 inpatients with COVID: about 1/3 under 40 (youngest in their teens), another third under 60; almost none with risk factors and almost all not vaccinated. Also really unwell patients from all age groups (including previously well teens & 20s); ICU is full. Tracking hospitalisations and deaths are data that are harder to fiddle - but that’ll take another 2-4 weeks to be sure that numbers are coming down again. #CautiouslyOptimistic #PleaseGetVaccinated | |||
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"I am going to hope that it is because infections are going down due to less indoor mixing There are however lots of other factors at play which will give us false numbers, but I'm trying to stay in the positive " true, like false positives (pardon the pun!) | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play? Ask again in a couple of weeks. I really hope so, but case numbers could also be because people aren’t having / reporting positive tests. At present, we’ve got ~40 inpatients with COVID: about 1/3 under 40 (youngest in their teens), another third under 60; almost none with risk factors and almost all not vaccinated. Also really unwell patients from all age groups (including previously well teens & 20s); ICU is full. Tracking hospitalisations and deaths are data that are harder to fiddle - but that’ll take another 2-4 weeks to be sure that numbers are coming down again. #CautiouslyOptimistic #PleaseGetVaccinated" Thank you for what you're doing | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play?" I suspect less people are reporting or testing for fear of losing work and having to isolate. Switching off the app etc... | |||
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"As stated is lagged by couple weeks. Spikes would have been caused by the gatherings for the football. There should be a drop due to school closing which will offset some of the impact of the relaxation in restrictions however the impact of the relaxation of the restrictions won't been seen for couple weeks. The forecast is cases wi rise due to the relaxation. " Bit of am assumption that school kids are going to go into hibernation... But yeah makes sense on the rest of it. | |||
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"It's difficult to say if this is part of a longer term trend. The infection test results reflect infections caught a week or so earlier - we're looking at what happened on the ground a couple of weeks back. Certainly jt will be great news if this continues
It is great news, if accurate. I do wonder, though, how many people ditched the app and tests the moment they were effectively told by the government they were once more free to do whatever they wanted. That would seriously mess with the numbers."This is also my concern but I'm hoping the infection rate is generally dropping. | |||
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"I fear that the infection rate is not really dropping, or at least not to the extent that the testing figures show. Looking at the graph of positive test results, it shows a sharp exponential rise leading up to 19th July, and then an overnight instant sharp reverse into an exponential fall. Real reductions in infections should occur more gradually than this, end of the football, schools closing, all the other events that might lead to a reduction in covid cases happened over a period of several days. Taken together with natural variations in the incubation period, the rise should be expected to slow, plateau, turn over, fall slowly then faster, over the course of at least three or four days. Instead we see an instant huge drop exactly on "freedom day", and it is just not physically plausible that all potential causes of a real reduction should synchronise their effects on the same day. One possible explanation however would be that on July 19th a huge number of people just stopped doing home testing and threw away their remaining test kits. This seems very plausible to me, given the government saying that all legal restrictions are over, masks are not needed, no more social distancing regulations - giving a clear message to many many people that covid no longer needs to be treated as a deadly threat. Given that we know that a large number of cases of covid are asymptomatic, having a large section of the population just stopping testing (and with the simultaneous "pingdemic", turning off the test&trace phone app so that they would not even be prompted to take a test) would give the appearance of a sharp fall in new cases, but the removal of the restrictions would if anything allow real case numbers to continue rising. This would break the correlation seen for months now between number of positive tests, following hospitalisations, and later following deaths - effectively making us as blind to the true number of covid infections as we were before the testing programme started. Instead of the rise in positive test results giving a week or so warning about hospital numbers, allowing new mask & distancing mandates if necessary to try and cut back the upwards curve of covid cases, we would now be unaware of the true picture until hospitals were in fact already certain to be overrun. I would much rather be wrong and for the spread to really be reducing. I do fear though that whatever the actual cause of the figures going down, it might cause a proportion of the population to reduce their vigilance, and that in a few short weeks we might once again find ourselves with a runaway wave that could only be controlled by the return of hard measures which none of us want. " Yes. It seems implausible to me | |||
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"I fear that the infection rate is not really dropping, or at least not to the extent that the testing figures show. Looking at the graph of positive test results, it shows a sharp exponential rise leading up to 19th July, and then an overnight instant sharp reverse into an exponential fall. Real reductions in infections should occur more gradually than this, end of the football, schools closing, all the other events that might lead to a reduction in covid cases happened over a period of several days. Taken together with natural variations in the incubation period, the rise should be expected to slow, plateau, turn over, fall slowly then faster, over the course of at least three or four days. Instead we see an instant huge drop exactly on "freedom day", and it is just not physically plausible that all potential causes of a real reduction should synchronise their effects on the same day. One possible explanation however would be that on July 19th a huge number of people just stopped doing home testing and threw away their remaining test kits. This seems very plausible to me, given the government saying that all legal restrictions are over, masks are not needed, no more social distancing regulations - giving a clear message to many many people that covid no longer needs to be treated as a deadly threat. Given that we know that a large number of cases of covid are asymptomatic, having a large section of the population just stopping testing (and with the simultaneous "pingdemic", turning off the test&trace phone app so that they would not even be prompted to take a test) would give the appearance of a sharp fall in new cases, but the removal of the restrictions would if anything allow real case numbers to continue rising. This would break the correlation seen for months now between number of positive tests, following hospitalisations, and later following deaths - effectively making us as blind to the true number of covid infections as we were before the testing programme started. Instead of the rise in positive test results giving a week or so warning about hospital numbers, allowing new mask & distancing mandates if necessary to try and cut back the upwards curve of covid cases, we would now be unaware of the true picture until hospitals were in fact already certain to be overrun. I would much rather be wrong and for the spread to really be reducing. I do fear though that whatever the actual cause of the figures going down, it might cause a proportion of the population to reduce their vigilance, and that in a few short weeks we might once again find ourselves with a runaway wave that could only be controlled by the return of hard measures which none of us want. " Well I suppose the current fall in cases is contrary to your modelling which was showing runaway cases. I think the rise in cases coincided with the euros and the fall in cases coincided with the end of the euros and the star of the school holidays That said I do expect a rise in cases from the end of the week as the effects of the final lifting of restrictions become apparent. Hopefully the fact it will be from a much lower level than was being predicted the knock on effect on hospitalisations will be manageable. | |||
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"I just heard it gone back up a bit again but they did say it would do but would flatten of again sooner and start to go down again sooner. "Personally, I think that a big reason for the drop in new cases is linked to the reduction in tests. In the last seven days there has been around 14% less tests done compared to the previous seven days. Cal | |||
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"I just heard it gone back up a bit again but they did say it would do but would flatten of again sooner and start to go down again sooner.
Personally, I think that a big reason for the drop in new cases is linked to the reduction in tests. In the last seven days there has been around 14% less tests done compared to the previous seven days.
Cal"And a 50% drop in infections. At best, the reduced testing could only account for some of the drop. I find it hard to believe the government figures - this is the same government that was counting a pair of gloves as two items of PPE last year to make figures look better. Problem is, if the figures are fudged then all of them are doubtful. | |||
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"I just heard it gone back up a bit again but they did say it would do but would flatten of again sooner and start to go down again sooner.
Personally, I think that a big reason for the drop in new cases is linked to the reduction in tests. In the last seven days there has been around 14% less tests done compared to the previous seven days.
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And a 50% drop in infections. At best, the reduced testing could only account for some of the drop.
I find it hard to believe the government figures - this is the same government that was counting a pair of gloves as two items of PPE last year to make figures look better.
Problem is, if the figures are fudged then all of them are doubtful."I agree with not trusting what they are telling us anymore, however, gloves come in a box of say 50, they don't come in pairs so why they will be counted as 50 pieces | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost." As far as England is concerned 91% of yesterdays cases are from tests carried out in the previous 2 days. The seven day figure is the most reliable measurement. | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost." I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. A large overnight fall in testing, particularly of those most likely to be positive asymptomatic, could easily produce the effect on the numbers which we have seen. If this is the case, then the country is now flying blind, we have no idea whether cases are really falling, rising, staying the same. And we have no idea what areas are affected. Timely intervention becomes impossible, and if there is a problem, we won't know until it is too late to fix. | |||
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"I fear that the infection rate is not really dropping, or at least not to the extent that the testing figures show. Looking at the graph of positive test results, it shows a sharp exponential rise leading up to 19th July, and then an overnight instant sharp reverse into an exponential fall. Real reductions in infections should occur more gradually than this, end of the football, schools closing, all the other events that might lead to a reduction in covid cases happened over a period of several days. Taken together with natural variations in the incubation period, the rise should be expected to slow, plateau, turn over, fall slowly then faster, over the course of at least three or four days. Instead we see an instant huge drop exactly on "freedom day", and it is just not physically plausible that all potential causes of a real reduction should synchronise their effects on the same day. One possible explanation however would be that on July 19th a huge number of people just stopped doing home testing and threw away their remaining test kits. This seems very plausible to me, given the government saying that all legal restrictions are over, masks are not needed, no more social distancing regulations - giving a clear message to many many people that covid no longer needs to be treated as a deadly threat. Given that we know that a large number of cases of covid are asymptomatic, having a large section of the population just stopping testing (and with the simultaneous "pingdemic", turning off the test&trace phone app so that they would not even be prompted to take a test) would give the appearance of a sharp fall in new cases, but the removal of the restrictions would if anything allow real case numbers to continue rising. This would break the correlation seen for months now between number of positive tests, following hospitalisations, and later following deaths - effectively making us as blind to the true number of covid infections as we were before the testing programme started. Instead of the rise in positive test results giving a week or so warning about hospital numbers, allowing new mask & distancing mandates if necessary to try and cut back the upwards curve of covid cases, we would now be unaware of the true picture until hospitals were in fact already certain to be overrun. I would much rather be wrong and for the spread to really be reducing. I do fear though that whatever the actual cause of the figures going down, it might cause a proportion of the population to reduce their vigilance, and that in a few short weeks we might once again find ourselves with a runaway wave that could only be controlled by the return of hard measures which none of us want. Well I suppose the current fall in cases is contrary to your modelling which was showing runaway cases. I think the rise in cases coincided with the euros and the fall in cases coincided with the end of the euros and the star of the school holidays That said I do expect a rise in cases from the end of the week as the effects of the final lifting of restrictions become apparent. Hopefully the fact it will be from a much lower level than was being predicted the knock on effect on hospitalisations will be manageable." Yes, the fall is contrary to my modelling, so my concern is to understand the reasons for this in order to be able to improve the model. When any computer model does not match measurements of reality it is obviously stupid to declare reality to be wrong. This then leaves the possibilities that either the modelling is incorrect or incomplete, the measurements are incorrect or incomplete, or a combination of both. We can still use the previous performance of the model as an aid in examining reasons why the measuring process might be flawed, and we can re-examine previous measurements to aid in understanding errors or shortcomings of the model. | |||
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"I just heard it gone back up a bit again but they did say it would do but would flatten of again sooner and start to go down again sooner.
Personally, I think that a big reason for the drop in new cases is linked to the reduction in tests. In the last seven days there has been around 14% less tests done compared to the previous seven days.
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And a 50% drop in infections. At best, the reduced testing could only account for some of the drop.
I find it hard to believe the government figures - this is the same government that was counting a pair of gloves as two items of PPE last year to make figures look better.
Problem is, if the figures are fudged then all of them are doubtful.
I agree with not trusting what they are telling us anymore, however, gloves come in a box of say 50, they don't come in pairs so why they will be counted as 50 pieces"What you mean they don't come in a left and right pair clipped together with one of those little nylon clips? And a matching scarf and hat? How dare they. Next thing you'll be saying overshoes we're being counted in singles rather than matching pairs. | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. " Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely. | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely." We know different people. Lots of people I know have been testing and lots used the app. True to say most have stopped now. | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely." Testing for no purpose? I volunteer with vulnerable people. I want data to find out if I'm a risk to them. I also think it's a good idea - courteous even - to do a quick test before meeting people, so that if I'm asymptomatic I can keep my germs to myself. I'm low risk otherwise, but low risk is not no risk. My charity stands at zero infections in its vulnerable clients, despite it ripping through the volunteers and staff (some long Covid, no hospital or worse). I do my part to keep it that way | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. A large overnight fall in testing, particularly of those most likely to be positive asymptomatic, could easily produce the effect on the numbers which we have seen. If this is the case, then the country is now flying blind, we have no idea whether cases are really falling, rising, staying the same. And we have no idea what areas are affected. Timely intervention becomes impossible, and if there is a problem, we won't know until it is too late to fix." ONS stats are updated weekly. Tomorrow. They are more comprehensive than CV19 gov stats, giving area-by-area figures and age-group figures. You’ll have to search ‘peoplepopulationandcommunity’ For ONS, under ‘health and social care’. | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play?" Covid cases may look like thety are dropping. There are a multitide of factors before we can see ositively. 1. Has he admission rate dropped? Yes but only marginally for the last 2 days. It can up as easy. 2. Has the bed occupancy dropped? No it is still increasing. This will be a delayed level of response and so will the ITU occupancy )(which is increasing - this wont drop till about 15 - 25 days time). Have people being getting tested? Yes it would appear so but over the last 5 days there has been a halving in the number of people being tested. Does this mean that people chose the good weather rather than getting tested? If so are we looking at an exlosion of infections now? Unknown. The situation is very unclear. Test - if positive isolate etc.. Dont put the test off. | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely." The Appr works hence the people getting pinged. Funny how when few were pinged everyone complained it was not working... now everyone is being pinged they are complaining and want to water down the standards... LFDs do work but only if you do them regular. | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely. The Appr works hence the people getting pinged. Funny how when few were pinged everyone complained it was not working... now everyone is being pinged they are complaining and want to water down the standards... LFDs do work but only if you do them regular. " Bit of commentary on the BBC about this... Number of people checking in with app has decreased from peak of 15m in June to about 7m last week. App alerts up to about 680k last week. Contact centre alerts up to about 540k. And govt policy is.. If you are pinged you are not obliged to isolate but it is crucial that people self isolate. Until August 16th when you won't need to isolate if you've been jabbed (yet more crowbar diplomacy). Half of the supply chain for foods are excused from isolating. ..whilst the supermarket end of the supply chain must still isolate. So loading bays filled with trucks of goods whilst supermarket shelves empty because staff are isolating. And love this quote from our health secretary who is driving this strategy... "Health Secretary Sajid Javid said: "The truth is, when it comes to case numbers no one really knows where they are going to go next"." | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely. The Appr works hence the people getting pinged. Funny how when few were pinged everyone complained it was not working... now everyone is being pinged they are complaining and want to water down the standards... LFDs do work but only if you do them regular. Bit of commentary on the BBC about this... Number of people checking in with app has decreased from peak of 15m in June to about 7m last week. App alerts up to about 680k last week. Contact centre alerts up to about 540k. And govt policy is.. If you are pinged you are not obliged to isolate but it is crucial that people self isolate. Until August 16th when you won't need to isolate if you've been jabbed (yet more crowbar diplomacy). Half of the supply chain for foods are excused from isolating. ..whilst the supermarket end of the supply chain must still isolate. So loading bays filled with trucks of goods whilst supermarket shelves empty because staff are isolating. And love this quote from our health secretary who is driving this strategy... "Health Secretary Sajid Javid said: "The truth is, when it comes to case numbers no one really knows where they are going to go next"." " Brilliant  | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely. The Appr works hence the people getting pinged. Funny how when few were pinged everyone complained it was not working... now everyone is being pinged they are complaining and want to water down the standards... LFDs do work but only if you do them regular. " Lol. "The app works because People are pinged". Read up on how it works and you will see how batshit it is. Probably over 90% of pings are false positives. | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely. Testing for no purpose? I volunteer with vulnerable people. I want data to find out if I'm a risk to them. " Then you are not one of those testing for no purpose. You have a valid reason. | |||
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"Of course they don't know where they are going to go. We've had modelling experts unable to get their estimates right from the start. Why do people expect that humans are somehow capable of accurately predicting what a new virus is going to do." Now you're not right there. We've had "experts" predicting things on this all the way through. We've had govt policy based on these predictions. It doesn't take an expert to work out if you test less people you'll get lower infection numbers... Or if you remove advice to stay masked up and stay 2m away that infections go up. Or remove the need to isolate and infections go up. Or if 50 per cent of people stop using the app that reported numbers go down. | |||
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"Of course they don't know where they are going to go. We've had modelling experts unable to get their estimates right from the start. Why do people expect that humans are somehow capable of accurately predicting what a new virus is going to do." There can be good success from modelling, within the stated assumptions of the models. But all models are necessarily incomplete, and the assumptions must be continually revisited and revised. A major problem of course with modelling anything involving human activity, is that the behaviour of the humans can be influenced by the information resulting from the modelling, hence invalidating the results of the modelling. We saw this of course in the first wave. The initial models suggested that with no change in behaviour the spread of the virus could lead to a massive number of infections, hospitalisations and deaths. Government looked at the results from the models, said "oh shit", and instigated lockdowns and other measures. The actual deaths then stopped short of the model predictions, leading everyone to say "these fucking models are useless", when of course it was the changes in behaviour that altered the spread of the virus. Rather like when you are driving and see an obstruction ahead, you step on the brake and/or steer away, and don't hit the obstruction. Nobody then says "bloody useless eyeballs, my vision predicted that I would hit something, look I didn't, got to be that vision is no good, I'll ignore it next time". Everyone just accepts that their eyeballs saw an obstruction and the model of the world inside their brain accurately predicted a future where they would hit it. However with this information they changed their behaviour, resulting in an actual future different from the prediction of their brain's model. Of course, if their brain's model of the world included that they would swerve and miss the obstruction, they might naively make the assumption "I'm going to miss this obstruction, therefore I don't need to do anything"... Bang. Sometimes the whole point of modelling the future is to be able to make predictions that will be self-denying, where paradoxically the success of the model can only be judged by its failure. | |||
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"Sometimes if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck and it looks like a duck... You don't need too much expertise though? I know so many people now who have had it or got it in the last month. Way more than ever before. I accept its not one picture across our whole island but I know what I see in my locale. " I should also add I know plenty who are doing lfts, testing positive and not reporting them but choosing to isolate themselves... So that it doesn't affect other people. | |||
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"Sometimes if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck and it looks like a duck... You don't need too much expertise though? I know so many people now who have had it or got it in the last month. Way more than ever before. I accept its not one picture across our whole island but I know what I see in my locale. " Yes. Or, this last year we've all been bombarded with information about this particular "duck". Spreads predominantly by respiratory droplets and close contact, quite contagious, exponentially without controls, vaccination doesn't stop the spread (but probably slows it and stops most hospitalisation and death). Suddenly we chuck all restrictions away and this duck begins behaving like a cassowary? I'm no duck expert, but... bollocks. It's still a duck. | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play?" Schools closed, far less testing going on. | |||
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"For the last two days it's been going back up. I'm sure it's been said before but there's a delay in the data. " Numbers are always higher midweek. 7 day average (which is far more useful than individual days) continues to decline. | |||
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"ONS published their results from last week. Infections still going up everywhere except Scotland. 1 in 65 have covid. The ONS is a lot more reliable as it doesn't depend on the number of people tested." How do they know how many new cases there are without testing? | |||
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"ONS published their results from last week. Infections still going up everywhere except Scotland. 1 in 65 have covid. The ONS is a lot more reliable as it doesn't depend on the number of people tested. How do they know how many new cases there are without testing? " Random population sample they extrapolate from. The regular numbers are heavily dependent on whether people bother to test or not. | |||
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"ONS published their results from last week. Infections still going up everywhere except Scotland. 1 in 65 have covid. The ONS is a lot more reliable as it doesn't depend on the number of people tested. How do they know how many new cases there are without testing? " Don't come on here with your logic! Sniffer goats is the answer. | |||
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"ONS published their results from last week. Infections still going up everywhere except Scotland. 1 in 65 have covid. The ONS is a lot more reliable as it doesn't depend on the number of people tested." And as always is already out of date. I feel that the Zoe survey is more reliable as is real time. According to their latest update they think it’s plateauing at the moment. Obviously the effects of the 19th will only just be becoming apparent so things could change. | |||
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"ONS published their results from last week. Infections still going up everywhere except Scotland. 1 in 65 have covid. The ONS is a lot more reliable as it doesn't depend on the number of people tested. How do they know how many new cases there are without testing? Don't come on here with your logic! Sniffer goats is the answer. " No such thing as Sniffer Goats. They use ferrets  | |||
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"It's like doctor Google on here sometimes with all the experts" Agreed I stopped asking my Doctor, when I found this virus forum page. It's better than watching tell lie vision | |||
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"ONS published their results from last week. Infections still going up everywhere except Scotland. 1 in 65 have covid. The ONS is a lot more reliable as it doesn't depend on the number of people tested. How do they know how many new cases there are without testing? Don't come on here with your logic! Sniffer goats is the answer. No such thing as Sniffer Goats. They use ferrets "Only ooop North where they blend in... | |||
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"ONS published their results from last week. Infections still going up everywhere except Scotland. 1 in 65 have covid. The ONS is a lot more reliable as it doesn't depend on the number of people tested. And as always is already out of date. I feel that the Zoe survey is more reliable as is real time. According to their latest update they think it’s plateauing at the moment. Obviously the effects of the 19th will only just be becoming apparent so things could change." Plateauing in east midlands and yorkshire and humber regions. Going down slowly elsewhere. More prevalent in the 20-29yr group. | |||
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"The number of cases looks like it's going down. Is that accurate? Great news, if it is. Or are there other factors at play?" wait till October Numbers will be huge Long lockdowhs coming | |||
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"It's like doctor Google on here sometimes with all the experts" never knew we had so many medical experts and statisticians in one place! | |||
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"Could it be due to: a) the euros finishing b) high schools and colleges finishing I’m no genius, but remember this happening last year, then the kids (who back then didn’t get Covid and didn’t spread Covid) went back to school in September - and by October we were back in the shit with blame falling right at the feet of pub and restaurant go-ers from eat out to help out. Time will tell I'm amazed how many people just stopped using the masks now flights are back on again We will be in lock down again by December Boris is a fool " | |||
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"Tests done on 21st, 1,038,952. Tests done on 27th, 707,775 The drop in infections recorded in the last 7 days was 120,412 I think this story has a few pages remaining, and a few lost. I would not be at all surprised if it eventually transpires that come freedom day, many of the ones with slightly more risky behaviour who are more likely to become infected, were the first to turn off the app and throw away their test kits. Nobody sensible has ever had the App. It's so flawed to be effectively useless. Many workplaces including many NHS and care settings have it banned anyway. I also don't know anyone who is routinely testing unless required for their job / school. I gather from these threads that some are doing them for no purpose but outside this echo chamber only a tiny proportion have ever voluntarily tested routinely. We know different people. Lots of people I know have been testing and lots used the app. True to say most have stopped now. " In truth the app has never worked nor was it going to due to technical flaws My wife works for for the NHS we would never use it One person has to put his data in symptom and test results Your phone gets pinged because he's on the other side of the street When he should be home self issaltting | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. " The evidence shows that the double vaccinated are not as vulnerable as those who are not taking that simple step to help to rebuild our country. The vaccines have shown that immunity works to prevent serious illness and deaths. Getting towards herd immunity levels will help those people even more, as it will suppress infection levels, for everyone. | |||
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"Could it be due to: a) the euros finishing b) high schools and colleges finishing I’m no genius, but remember this happening last year, then the kids (who back then didn’t get Covid and didn’t spread Covid) went back to school in September - and by October we were back in the shit with blame falling right at the feet of pub and restaurant go-ers from eat out to help out. Time will tell I'm amazed how many people just stopped using the masks now flights are back on again We will be in lock down again by December Boris is a fool " Is Boris the one who is out there spreading it? | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. The evidence shows that the double vaccinated are not as vulnerable as those who are not taking that simple step to help to rebuild our country. The vaccines have shown that immunity works to prevent serious illness and deaths. Getting towards herd immunity levels will help those people even more, as it will suppress infection levels, for everyone. " Yep. If people would take a bit of personal responsibility rather than blaming others or not actually doing anything themselves to improve the situation... Then we'd manage the situation a lot better. | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. The evidence shows that the double vaccinated are not as vulnerable as those who are not taking that simple step to help to rebuild our country. The vaccines have shown that immunity works to prevent serious illness and deaths. Getting towards herd immunity levels will help those people even more, as it will suppress infection levels, for everyone. Yep. If people would take a bit of personal responsibility rather than blaming others or not actually doing anything themselves to improve the situation... Then we'd manage the situation a lot better. " | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. The evidence shows that the double vaccinated are not as vulnerable as those who are not taking that simple step to help to rebuild our country. The vaccines have shown that immunity works to prevent serious illness and deaths. Getting towards herd immunity levels will help those people even more, as it will suppress infection levels, for everyone. Yep. If people would take a bit of personal responsibility rather than blaming others or not actually doing anything themselves to improve the situation... Then we'd manage the situation a lot better. "If some people could be responsible we would not have been in lock down in the first place If the government stopped all flights at the beginning we would be in a better place. Then to go and pick people up from abroad were they should have left them. Now to put flights back on its foolish | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. " Recent CDC report based on case incidents in Massachusetts doesn't look promising...79% of cases were in vaccinated people and there was no difference in CT number between vaccinated and unvaccinated suggesting little difference in viral titres (with the caveat this would need to be verified by microbiological studies) | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. Recent CDC report based on case incidents in Massachusetts doesn't look promising...79% of cases were in vaccinated people and there was no difference in CT number between vaccinated and unvaccinated suggesting little difference in viral titres (with the caveat this would need to be verified by microbiological studies) " Only 4 hospitalised and no deaths in those 74%. In the US 97% of hospitalisations and 99.5% of deaths are unvaccinated. That was in an article on that CDC report | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. Recent CDC report based on case incidents in Massachusetts doesn't look promising...79% of cases were in vaccinated people and there was no difference in CT number between vaccinated and unvaccinated suggesting little difference in viral titres (with the caveat this would need to be verified by microbiological studies) Only 4 hospitalised and no deaths in those 74%. In the US 97% of hospitalisations and 99.5% of deaths are unvaccinated. That was in an article on that CDC report" Goodness, it looks like the vaccines are doing an excellent job preventing hospitalisations and deaths, as they said they would be. Who knew? | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. The evidence shows that the double vaccinated are not as vulnerable as those who are not taking that simple step to help to rebuild our country. The vaccines have shown that immunity works to prevent serious illness and deaths. Getting towards herd immunity levels will help those people even more, as it will suppress infection levels, for everyone. Yep. If people would take a bit of personal responsibility rather than blaming others or not actually doing anything themselves to improve the situation... Then we'd manage the situation a lot better.
If some people could be responsible we would not have been in lock down in the first place
If the government stopped all flights at the beginning we would be in a better place.
Then to go and pick people up from abroad were they should have left them.
Now to put flights back on its foolish
"So you would have left U.K. citizens abroad? How long for? Who would have provided accommodation for them? Who would have provided health care for them ? Baring in mind under your scheme they would have been abandoned by their country for getting on for 18 months now. | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. The evidence shows that the double vaccinated are not as vulnerable as those who are not taking that simple step to help to rebuild our country. The vaccines have shown that immunity works to prevent serious illness and deaths. Getting towards herd immunity levels will help those people even more, as it will suppress infection levels, for everyone. Yep. If people would take a bit of personal responsibility rather than blaming others or not actually doing anything themselves to improve the situation... Then we'd manage the situation a lot better.
If some people could be responsible we would not have been in lock down in the first place
If the government stopped all flights at the beginning we would be in a better place.
Then to go and pick people up from abroad were they should have left them.
Now to put flights back on its foolish
So you would have left U.K. citizens abroad?
How long for?
Who would have provided accommodation for them?
Who would have provided health care for them ?
Baring in mind under your scheme they would have been abandoned by their country for getting on for 18 months now."100%. All in the past now but yep. You fly off somewhere in a pandemic... Its on you. Why should anybody expect others to pick up the tab and get you back home. More to the point. When they did repatriate them... We're they isolated for 2 weeks to not spread the infection....? | |||
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"Gove says dropping .office for national statistics say rising. I believe the cival servants not a lying corupt clown" Before you invest too much in what the ons say... Here's a stat from the ons I heard on radio5 yesterday... Apparently 95% of the population are still wearing face masks... Yes you heard from the ons folks. | |||
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"Tests are down as the schools, colleges and unis are shut both side of the border. I fear October as the rates will rock, colds, flus and covid will all be in play But equally they will rock for everyone vaccinated or not.... Indeed how will people feel if after "freedom day" and double jabbed, covid rates rocket and the double jabbed population end up equally as vulnerable as the non vaccinated? Sadly the signs are there already in the figures. Interesting times and potentially dangerous times for all coming in the autumn. The evidence shows that the double vaccinated are not as vulnerable as those who are not taking that simple step to help to rebuild our country. The vaccines have shown that immunity works to prevent serious illness and deaths. Getting towards herd immunity levels will help those people even more, as it will suppress infection levels, for everyone. Yep. If people would take a bit of personal responsibility rather than blaming others or not actually doing anything themselves to improve the situation... Then we'd manage the situation a lot better.
If some people could be responsible we would not have been in lock down in the first place
If the government stopped all flights at the beginning we would be in a better place.
Then to go and pick people up from abroad were they should have left them.
Now to put flights back on its foolish
So you would have left U.K. citizens abroad?
How long for?
Who would have provided accommodation for them?
Who would have provided health care for them ?
Baring in mind under your scheme they would have been abandoned by their country for getting on for 18 months now.
100%. All in the past now but yep. You fly off somewhere in a pandemic... Its on you. Why should anybody expect others to pick up the tab and get you back home. More to the point. When they did repatriate them... We're they isolated for 2 weeks to not spread the infection....? "I was in Italy when it started. There was no pandemic when I flew out. This person thinks I should have been left there. That’s ridiculous. | |||
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"Could it be due to: a) the euros finishing b) high schools and colleges finishing I’m no genius, but remember this happening last year, then the kids (who back then didn’t get Covid and didn’t spread Covid) went back to school in September - and by October we were back in the shit with blame falling right at the feet of pub and restaurant go-ers from eat out to help out. Time will tell I'm amazed how many people just stopped using the masks now flights are back on again We will be in lock down again by December Boris is a fool Is Boris the one who is out there spreading it? " | |||
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"Yep true... There's also personal responsibility too.. People can't play a get out of jail free card just because big brother didn't stop me. As for the start.. Feb March 2020...its in all the news... Countries starting to shut down.. Hot-spot in Italy and France alps.. My thought process hmm probably sensible not to fly to italy or China... I'm no expert but if I can work that out I'm sure others were capable. Should we fly people back who chose to fly out when it's kicking off so they can have a ski weekend? For me.. No not at all. Irrelevant anyway as the fucking Boris character hasn't given us all free time travel yet....bastard." I guess it depends exactly when and why. I know someone (at a client firm) who chose to still go on skiing holiday to France (late March I think) and at the time I thought “I wouldn’t be doing that”. Having arrived in resort they found the authorities had closed everything and they had to find a way to get home. I’d say that was on them. I also know someone who was working in Austria in a ski chalet and been there since Nov/Dec. They caught Covid and had to quarantine in their digs (overlooking the hospital and literally seeing the body bags). Thankfully they did not get seriously ill but was very frightened. Once they were better I would wholeheartedly support them being repatriated. TBH I never asked how they got home. | |||
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"The govt took a gamble. Lots of people catch it, not many die and few got to hospital. It's a crazy bet to make if you ask me. Totally immoral. Even if the govt bet works, you're basically saying "thank god only a few of us are dying" See the problem is the EU is overtaking the UK in fully vaccinated stats, Boris knee they would. There is no way the UK can now reach 100 percent before the EU. So Boris takes his headline, first to get to 70 percent, throws it in the air like a victory, knows he can't get to 100, so looks for another headline... First to unlock. Then he can say look how well we are doing outside the EU. But when it comes time to count, the EU will have less deaths, more fully vaccinated, and a less Hur economy. But Boris will somehow seem like he did s good job in the UK, with his bitesoze achievements made to look like world beating ones." Absolutely agree. Problem is, lots of people lap this nonsense up. | |||
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"The govt took a gamble. Lots of people catch it, not many die and few got to hospital. It's a crazy bet to make if you ask me. Totally immoral. Even if the govt bet works, you're basically saying "thank god only a few of us are dying" See the problem is the EU is overtaking the UK in fully vaccinated stats, Boris knee they would. There is no way the UK can now reach 100 percent before the EU. So Boris takes his headline, first to get to 70 percent, throws it in the air like a victory, knows he can't get to 100, so looks for another headline... First to unlock. Then he can say look how well we are doing outside the EU. But when it comes time to count, the EU will have less deaths, more fully vaccinated, and a less Hur economy. But Boris will somehow seem like he did s good job in the UK, with his bitesoze achievements made to look like world beating ones." Sounds like the sort of thing Johnson would reason. | |||
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"The govt took a gamble. Lots of people catch it, not many die and few got to hospital. It's a crazy bet to make if you ask me. Totally immoral. Even if the govt bet works, you're basically saying "thank god only a few of us are dying" See the problem is the EU is overtaking the UK in fully vaccinated stats, Boris knee they would. There is no way the UK can now reach 100 percent before the EU. So Boris takes his headline, first to get to 70 percent, throws it in the air like a victory, knows he can't get to 100, so looks for another headline... First to unlock. Then he can say look how well we are doing outside the EU. But when it comes time to count, the EU will have less deaths, more fully vaccinated, and a less Hur economy. But Boris will somehow seem like he did s good job in the UK, with his bitesoze achievements made to look like world beating ones." Don't agree with any of that. I'm no Boris fan... But when did he make a comment like first to unlock? He's been pretty crap throughout so there's plenty of facts that happened. No need to make stuff up. | |||
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"The govt took a gamble. Lots of people catch it, not many die and few got to hospital. It's a crazy bet to make if you ask me. Totally immoral. Even if the govt bet works, you're basically saying "thank god only a few of us are dying" See the problem is the EU is overtaking the UK in fully vaccinated stats, Boris knee they would. There is no way the UK can now reach 100 percent before the EU. So Boris takes his headline, first to get to 70 percent, throws it in the air like a victory, knows he can't get to 100, so looks for another headline... First to unlock. Then he can say look how well we are doing outside the EU. But when it comes time to count, the EU will have less deaths, more fully vaccinated, and a less Hur economy. But Boris will somehow seem like he did s good job in the UK, with his bitesoze achievements made to look like world beating ones. Don't agree with any of that. I'm no Boris fan... But when did he make a comment like first to unlock? He's been pretty crap throughout so there's plenty of facts that happened. No need to make stuff up. " The comment above read like what Johnson is likely to do. The guy wasn't saying that Johnson said anything in particular. | |||
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"The govt took a gamble. Lots of people catch it, not many die and few got to hospital. It's a crazy bet to make if you ask me. Totally immoral. Even if the govt bet works, you're basically saying "thank god only a few of us are dying" See the problem is the EU is overtaking the UK in fully vaccinated stats, Boris knee they would. There is no way the UK can now reach 100 percent before the EU. So Boris takes his headline, first to get to 70 percent, throws it in the air like a victory, knows he can't get to 100, so looks for another headline... First to unlock. Then he can say look how well we are doing outside the EU. But when it comes time to count, the EU will have less deaths, more fully vaccinated, and a less Hur economy. But Boris will somehow seem like he did s good job in the UK, with his bitesoze achievements made to look like world beating ones. Don't agree with any of that. I'm no Boris fan... But when did he make a comment like first to unlock? He's been pretty crap throughout so there's plenty of facts that happened. No need to make stuff up. The comment above read like what Johnson is likely to do. The guy wasn't saying that Johnson said anything in particular." OK so Boris didn't say or do any of what he wrote... Just so I understand? He's just saying it's the sort of thing Boris might do?... The thing is... Boris has made more than enough poor decisions in this pandemic so there really isn't any need to write fiction about what he might possibly do. | |||
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"The govt took a gamble. Lots of people catch it, not many die and few got to hospital. It's a crazy bet to make if you ask me. Totally immoral. Even if the govt bet works, you're basically saying "thank god only a few of us are dying" See the problem is the EU is overtaking the UK in fully vaccinated stats, Boris knee they would. There is no way the UK can now reach 100 percent before the EU. So Boris takes his headline, first to get to 70 percent, throws it in the air like a victory, knows he can't get to 100, so looks for another headline... First to unlock. Then he can say look how well we are doing outside the EU. But when it comes time to count, the EU will have less deaths, more fully vaccinated, and a less Hur economy. But Boris will somehow seem like he did s good job in the UK, with his bitesoze achievements made to look like world beating ones. Don't agree with any of that. I'm no Boris fan... But when did he make a comment like first to unlock? He's been pretty crap throughout so there's plenty of facts that happened. No need to make stuff up. The comment above read like what Johnson is likely to do. The guy wasn't saying that Johnson said anything in particular. OK so Boris didn't say or do any of what he wrote... Just so I understand? He's just saying it's the sort of thing Boris might do?... The thing is... Boris has made more than enough poor decisions in this pandemic so there really isn't any need to write fiction about what he might possibly do. " Reread the above post for yourself if you want. To me, it just read like the guy was reasoning out why Johnson had acted the way he did. That's all. | |||
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