FabSwingers.com forum: Only 35k 1st Jabs + 143k 2nd Jabs yesterday - is the vaccine program starting to hit the antivaxers

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Only 35k 1st Jabs + 143k 2nd Jabs yesterday - is the vaccine program starting to hit the antivaxers brick wall?

If so and it turns out 25% of people in the UK adult population decline the vaccine will we miss the targets scientists have said we need for Herd Immunity through vaccination?

I've read that to achieve herd immunity against covid we need 85-95% we are at about 70% currently so still some way short. Will that mean widespread infections will have to take place so that natural immunity can plug the gap?

It's clear the vaccine programm is only delivering about 40% of daily jobs compared to what it was doing at the height of its roll out. Like many other countries France been an example are we starting to see the impact of the undecided and the anti vaxxers in the population?

A lot of other countries are using a mix of vaccine passport restrictions and even prize incentives to try get people to take up the vaccine.

When the French announced there new health pass which comes into effect today and will permit only the fully vaccinated (or those who have had a negative PCR test within 24 hours) to access theatres, cinemas and museums. From August, the pass will be extended to include cafes, shopping centres, restaurants, planes and public transport.

Apparently the majority of French public support this and its seen a huge surge in vaccine take getting the french vaccine program bsck on track.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose you could add the immunity from infection to that total.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

People are of course correct that we can't keep locking down, we can't keep sending waves at the NHS, we can't keep delaying other medical treatment, we can't have so many children off school.

Something has got to give.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only 35k 1st Jabs + 143k 2nd Jabs yesterday - is the vaccine program starting to hit the antivaxers brick wall?

If so and it turns out 25% of people in the UK adult population decline the vaccine will we miss the targets scientists have said we need for Herd Immunity through vaccination?

A lot of other countries are using a mix of vaccine passport restrictions and even prize incentives to try get people to take up the vaccine.

Apparently the majority of French public support this and its seen a huge surge in vaccine take getting the french vaccine program bsck on track.

KJ "

I think your percentages are out slightly, unless you are including children, but I would not as its inconclusive as to whether they need it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

So far, more than 46 million people have had a first vaccine dose - almost 90% of the adult population - and more than 36 million - around two-thirds of adults - have had both doses.

So by that measure and your statement we have enough single doses for herd immunity and the double doses are well on track.

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

The local numbers are showing over 90% with at least 1 vaccine but this really needs to be replicated throughout the country. The more venues that insist on vaccination the more chance that the numbers will increase.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The local numbers are showing over 90% with at least 1 vaccine but this really needs to be replicated throughout the country. The more venues that insist on vaccination the more chance that the numbers will increase."

The numbers for herd immunity include children.

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

Agreed.

Am pretty sure that is the only way some will get it now.

Although if they've been in an ambulance with someone under 40 who can't breathe like i have it rather focusses the mind....

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Its pretty clear that the governments strategy is herd immunity via natural infection with vaccination as an bolt on. We have to include children in the numbers needed for herd immunity especially as children and the ones, with younger adults that are catching covid in the biggest numbers at the moment. I always thought the theory that children found it harder to catch than adults a bit suss.

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By *hloe12Woman
over a year ago

york

Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

"Its pretty clear that the governments strategy is herd immunity via natural infection with vaccination as an bolt on. We have to include children in the numbers needed for herd immunity especially as children and the ones, with younger adults that are catching covid in the biggest numbers at the moment. I always thought the theory that children found it harder to catch than adults a bit suss. "

Am not sure that's right, it's because like with some other viral diseases like chicken pox for example, the symptoms and dangers are far less for children than for adults.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection "

So those clinical trials for the vaccines were made up?

Hang on. I'm on a clinical trial for a vaccine. Don't tell me it's another kinky medical sex game. God they're committed, it looks so real

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

The vaccines that are currently in use have been through the same trial stages as every other vaccine, please check your information because saying they haven't been in trials is completely untrue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Link to the 1500 dead figure please?

No one is force to take the vaccine.

The above statement says nothing about the ops question and is just a wild statement.

Back on topic, OP if you are including kids in herd immunity then fine but you can't include there numbers in the percentage vaccinated as it is not recommended for them.

As for comments likr we have opted for herd immunity by nature this is not true.

Over 90% of those eligible have opted for the vaccine and the second dosers will catch up.

That leaves less than 10% who have opted for natural immunity and then the kids.

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

You have a choice to agree to have sex with someone without protection. You don't have a choice if someone is sat next to you on a train, unvaxxed, with no mask on. The only similarity is You've no idea who they have been mixing with.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

Link to the 1500 dead figure please?

No one is force to take the vaccine.

The above statement says nothing about the ops question and is just a wild statement.

Back on topic, OP if you are including kids in herd immunity then fine but you can't include there numbers in the percentage vaccinated as it is not recommended for them.

As for comments likr we have opted for herd immunity by nature this is not true.

Over 90% of those eligible have opted for the vaccine and the second dosers will catch up.

That leaves less than 10% who have opted for natural immunity and then the kids.

Maybe she meant 1500 people with dead arms? I know mine was sore for a couple of days.....

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm afraid I still count as unvaccinated for these purposes

I'm not I swear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are of course correct that we can't keep locking down, we can't keep sending waves at the NHS, we can't keep delaying other medical treatment, we can't have so many children off school.

Something has got to give."

Absolutely. I think the time has come to ride this out. It will get a lot worse in the upcoming weeks but we cannot keep locking down.

My oldest son is in his late 20’s and a lot of his peer group were very anti vaccine believing covid to be no worse than a heavy cold. A lot of them have now contacted it and have done a complete U turn on their opinion. Those that haven’t got it are getting vaccinated.

I don’t believe life will return to the normal we knew before the pandemic for a long time ahead if ever but we need to learn to live with and manage covid.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"People are of course correct that we can't keep locking down, we can't keep sending waves at the NHS, we can't keep delaying other medical treatment, we can't have so many children off school.

Something has got to give.

Absolutely. I think the time has come to ride this out. It will get a lot worse in the upcoming weeks but we cannot keep locking down.

I don’t believe life will return to the normal we knew before the pandemic for a long time ahead if ever but we need to learn to live with and manage covid."

I'm not sure we can afford to let it rip, either. The health system is still struggling - and it's summer - and the long term disability effects are unknown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Maybe she meant 1500 people with dead arms? I know mine was sore for a couple of days....."

I am guessing that it is the usual wrong use of stats.

So there are cases of people who have died and the reason for their death can be linked to the vaccine. This is indisputable.

But the 1500 number often relates to the number of deaths in the population of vaccinated people.

Well given that 90% of adults have been vaccinated and you would expect some to die as that is just the natural number.

If they picked a random week in 2018 and asked how many people had a sausage, then within a week so many would be dead.

They then go ah X dead from eating a sausage.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The specific threshold level that herd immunity may be achieved at is not a fixed point that never moves. It partly depends on the infectivity of the virus. As the virus gets more infectious, the herd immunity threshold rises. The Delta variant is certainly more infectious, so the theoretical herd immunity point is thus increased, from what it was with earlier variants.

I don't know the supply levels of all vaccine types but people will be booked on to 2nd dose schedules that presumed the earlier vaccine delay period between doses and projected availability.

It potentially will get harder to get people enrolled, as those who don't commit to dates, due to personal circumstances, such as zero hours job contracts, who had that reason to delay enlisting, aren't much more likely to find predictable availability.

People are also very poor evaluators of risks. The most vulnerable over 80s and 70s have had phenomenally high vaccination rates. Younger people who have taken misled to think of it as a disease for older people, who don't get routine annual vaccines like flu, are more out of the system to be reached and viewing themselves as at risk. Students have been displaced from normal term time medical centres, making it harder to reach them.

Reaching the ever decreasing minority with many systems, is often much harder per person. There won't be even distribution across the country but vaccination teams won't be too mobile, as many are volunteers.

Unfortunately, the enormous power of the millions of antivax messages was active early on and its influences remain. Not all people unvaxed are antivax but there's perhaps a 10% minority of the population in some age groups who are resistant due to ignorance and being misinformed.

The summer lowers potentially the numbers of infections, even though the UK is no 3 in the world at present - we'd perhaps be very much worse off, it not in a summer heatwave.

The NHS is under strain and infection levels are going to get worse in all likelihood,

Steps that may encourage take up, such as essential covid passports coming, will shift some towards getting it. Perhaps the government will introduce more things that will encourage take up as an aside from the activities done.

It's probably wiser now to think of herd immunity as needing 90%+

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

That's just nonsense. You may want to review the country that your information relates to, as it's not relevant for the UK. The MHRA grants approval for our medicines and the several covid vaccines have been provided with appropriate approval from them.

These several approved vaccines all went fully through the standard trial phases that we required, producing satisfactory safety and efficacy results

. These results are all freely available in our free society. Several million people were involved in the clinical trials around the world. These vaccines have now been administered in over 3 billion doses

. Never before in world history has so much research been undertaken, with so much scrutiny. These billions of treatments have given us record breaking opportunities to research and understand human health so well.

There are untruthful statements that have been published and shared by the millions, that are often done by enemy governments, to destabilise the health and economies of their competitors. Due to the fanzones of the antivax movements, many of the millions of posts are just slightly reworded BS, based on nothing that's in any way truthful.

Overall, this does highlight the importance of sharing information that, as the Advertising Standards Authority states is 'legal, decent, honest and truthful'. We're potentially about to have more significant problem levels again and it's thus so essential that we each take care of others and ourselves, which we can do in part, by just using the scientific evidence that is available via reputable, official sources.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The specific threshold level that herd immunity may be achieved at is not a fixed point that never moves. It partly depends on the infectivity of the virus. As the virus gets more infectious, the herd immunity threshold rises. The Delta variant is certainly more infectious, so the theoretical herd immunity point is thus increased, from what it was with earlier variants.

I don't know the supply levels of all vaccine types but people will be booked on to 2nd dose schedules that presumed the earlier vaccine delay period between doses and projected availability.

The summer lowers potentially the numbers of infections, even though the UK is no 3 in the world at present - we'd perhaps be very much worse off, it not in a summer heatwave.

The NHS is under strain and infection levels are going to get worse in all likelihood,

It's probably wiser now to think of herd immunity as needing 90%+"

I've read due to the delta that we really need to aim for 90% of the total population vaccinated. To answer an earlier poster yes that includes children.

Many countries are starting to explore children been vaccinated including us. We decided to do vunerable children aged 12-17 for now and will revisit expanding that if needed.

It's well known 2 jabs are needed to really deal with the delta variant now so my original post was for fully vaccinated i.e. 2 jabs and total population percentages including children.

90% 1st jab is great and better than many countries take up but broken down its 95% in the elderly and as low as 65% in the lowest age group, granted they haven't had as long to get vaccinated yet.

There's an argument that if every adult was vaccinated then we might just hit herd immunity without vaccinating children.

However is 10% of adults decided not to be vaccinated then herd immunity via vaccine alone is highly unlikely, unless children are also vaccinated to close the needed percentage gap.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Are they running out of the ones they can give to youngsters?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Are they running out of the ones they can give to youngsters?"

I wonder if that's a factor as well

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Are they running out of the ones they can give to youngsters?

I wonder if that's a factor as well"

That's a really good point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was listening to a virologist on the radio on Monday. He stated that it was to be expected that the numbers would fall the longer a particular age group was being vaccinated. He claimed that 70% of the 18-24 age group had come forward for the jab. Lower than other age groups but higher than he anticipated.

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

The numbers will go up once people start wanting to do things they can't as they've not had a vaccine.

I was working a walk-in covid clinic a few weeks ago and had a lot of over 40s coming in. They had declined when they were invited but now want to go on holiday and realised other countries won't accept them without the vaccine so have changed their minds.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The numbers will go up once people start wanting to do things they can't as they've not had a vaccine.

I hope the NHS gets my record straight before I want to do things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Utter rubbish ,

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Putting the mask variable to one side - In that scenario the unvaccinated person on the train is more likely to be the one at higher risk as they lack protection. The vaccinated person can still carry the virus and transmit it but they have a substantially reduced chance of becoming seriously ill.

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By *ripodius WillyusMan
over a year ago

Here and there

My view is simply this folk who get both jabs do not get it to just protect themselves but others like family etc.

Its common sense as covid not going away as this variant is clearly showing so nightclubs etc in september will be fully jabbed only I think good thing the anti vaxxers for whatever reason will have no justification to moan.

Same as with holidays zero sympathy time for throwing toys out of pram over.

Am not saying for 1 second antivaxxers are bad people far from it but a lot come across selfish.

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By *andK78Couple
over a year ago

Newport

Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here."

After that, you should look up the pitfalls of a passive reporting system.

In the US version of the yellow card system, someone claimed a vaccination turned them into the Incredible Hulk.

It's very common for some groups to take these passive reporting systems as gospel, when in reality they need to be examined closely to find the difference between correlation and causation.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I'm afraid that the boat has sailed now on any chance of achieving herd immunity through vaccination in the UK. As mentioned above, with the higher infectivity of delta we need in the region of 90% fully vaxxed of every man, woman and child in the country. Meanwhile in their infinite lack of wisdom the government has encouraged everyone to take off masks and crowd into small spaces coughing on each other. With the current exponential explosion in cases, which if anything will go even faster now, 100% exposure will be reached before it is possible to get to the second jab for those currently unvaccinated.

Best chance is actually for the vulnerable to keep their heads well down for the next couple of months, and hope that the required 90% is reached not by extra vaccinations (as mentioned, now not enough time to get them done) but by natural selection reducing the number of vax refusers. A 10% reduction in the population should suffice to give the necessary information rebalance.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here."

Number of UK suspected deaths related to thrombo-embolic events with concurrent thrombocytopenia ADR reports received for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is 74.

Deaths today within 28 days of a positive covid test...73

There has been 31 suspected AZ related deaths in the under 50s. There has been over 1700 covid deaths in the under 45s...

However you interpret the yellow card reporting, the vaccine is safer than the virus.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. "

I think that's barbaric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. "

Wow!

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By *estYorkshireGentMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. "

So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people

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By *orset.JMan
over a year ago

Weymouth

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. "

Simple? - more like the final solution-.

France has shown being vaccine hesitant does’nt mean that ultimately mean you won’t take the vaccine - you just need the right incentive to do so .

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here."

The yellow card scheme website itself states:

Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness.

It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

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By *igchiefMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. "

Polite suggestion...

Research the rules of ethics doctors and other medical staff swear to abide by. Maybe start with the Hippocratic Oath of ye olde times.

Once you've clued yourself up on the facts may I, again politely, suggest you re-read your comment.

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By *un friendshipCouple
over a year ago

Ruskington, Sleaford

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. "

So what your saying is all over weight people should be depraved of treatment for any disease related to being over weight. All smokers should never recieved treatment for smoking related illnesses. All people that have unprotected sex sex shouldn't get any medicines for STI/STDs.

What a stupid idea.

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By *anadadryguyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. "

Dumbest Comment of the Week Award - Yes folks, I think we have us a winner right here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In England 82% of the adult population have received at least one vaccination as of 23ed June so that figure will be higher now and across the whole of the a 90% so i would say your figures of vastly out.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it.

What a stupid idea. "

No i specifically said covid.

Are there jabs for "being overweight, smoking related illness, or preventable sti's"

No there isnt.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it.

No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.

Silly comparison.

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here.

The yellow card scheme website itself states:

It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. "

Always some spoilsport who reads the small print!!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I did a clinic this morning. It was mainly second vaccines, some firsts and this is simply because most people who want a first have had it already. Some of the very large mass vaccine centres are being wound down or running lower capacity as venues are starting to return to their original purpose.

This morning, I no break in my shift at all, I didn't go to the loo etc and had a constant flow of people coming in. Felt busy enough

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here.

The yellow card scheme website itself states:

It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

Always some spoilsport who reads the small print!!"

I know, fancy reading something that isn't just a ridiculously unbelievable headline! Silly me.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I did a clinic this morning. It was mainly second vaccines, some firsts and this is simply because most people who want a first have had it already. Some of the very large mass vaccine centres are being wound down or running lower capacity as venues are starting to return to their original purpose.

This morning, I no break in my shift at all, I didn't go to the loo etc and had a constant flow of people coming in. Felt busy enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it.

No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.

Silly comparison."

Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it.

No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.

Silly comparison.

Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc. "

Shouldn't every single person have a duty of care when it comes to covid? Why allow the nhs to deal with it when they have offered preventable help to people who then refuse it because of some stupid conspiracy or other reason!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here."

Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here.

Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!

I’m very surprised!! I thought most here would be very liberal and judgemental attitudes would be rare. Really not the case!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it.

No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.

Silly comparison.

Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc.

Not everyone who has declined is a conspiracy theorist.

Sweeping statements like this don’t help anyone.

I’ve refused (for valid reasons that I’ve described on here and won’t again, green arrow if you’re interested) and I’m certainly no “anti vaxxer/tinfoil hat wearer”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here.

Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!

this!

Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only 35k 1st Jabs + 143k 2nd Jabs yesterday - is the vaccine program starting to hit the antivaxers brick wall?

If so and it turns out 25% of people in the UK adult population decline the vaccine will we miss the targets scientists have said we need for Herd Immunity through vaccination?

A lot of other countries are using a mix of vaccine passport restrictions and even prize incentives to try get people to take up the vaccine.

Apparently the majority of French public support this and its seen a huge surge in vaccine take getting the french vaccine program bsck on track.

KJ "
wht the prob stop puting down people who decline the jab if you believe in it you are protected from the so called virus hiting you hard Itd the unvaxed who may be at risk do why all the fuss Because it dont matter how many people dont have it because if u have had 2 jabs thou can still pass it on. !!*****

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"Only 35k 1st Jabs + 143k 2nd Jabs yesterday - is the vaccine program starting to hit the antivaxers brick wall?

If so and it turns out 25% of people in the UK adult population decline the vaccine will we miss the targets scientists have said we need for Herd Immunity through vaccination?

A lot of other countries are using a mix of vaccine passport restrictions and even prize incentives to try get people to take up the vaccine.

Apparently the majority of French public support this and its seen a huge surge in vaccine take getting the french vaccine program bsck on track.

KJ "
hasn’t 20% at least of the population had covid already. ??????

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

Wrong.

So so wrong on so look many levels.

I don't know where to start.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here.

Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!

this!

Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal

"
the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-development-evaluation-approval-monitoring

You're welcome.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

"..

Maybe she meant 1500 people with dead arms? I know mine was sore for a couple of days.....

I am guessing that it is the usual wrong use of stats.

So there are cases of people who have died and the reason for their death can be linked to the vaccine. This is indisputable.

But the 1500 number often relates to the number of deaths in the population of vaccinated people.

Well given that 90% of adults have been vaccinated and you would expect some to die as that is just the natural number.

If they picked a random week in 2018 and asked how many people had a sausage, then within a week so many would be dead.

They then go ah X dead from eating a sausage.

Yep the old correlation versus causation debate. You would have thought people would have this figured out by now. Of course what we should be calling for is a ban on ice cream. You wouldn't believe how many of the people who drown have had an ice cream in the previous 24 hour.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

I tell you what here is a way to get the unvaccinated to go have their jabs. Government to pay for life for anyone who has a many complications from having the vaccine for tyem and their family to 100% keep them in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. 5 million to be given directly to the family’s of anyone who dies after having the vaccine. Job done you’d get a better take up if people knew their family’s would be taken care off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here.

Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!

this!

Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal

the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to."

Agreed with the terminology. It’s bullying, intimidation and threatening to force people to make a medical choice

* vaccination is a medical choice. It’s the individuals choice. Non of my business.

* vaccinated people still spread (case on point - 1 person (non symptomatic) took 5 out at work - all double jabbed; 2 got very sick. Look at hospital figures.

* choose not to meet non vacc people is your choice

* discriminatory practice of eliminate people’s lifestyle choices based on jab / no jab is wrong. Human rights here. Yes, the individuals rights.

*if you’re jabbed, get on with your life and mind your business. No one should have to explain their choices.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"Google UK Gov Yellow Card.

The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site.

Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers.

For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here.

Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!

this!

Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal

Agreed with the terminology. It’s bullying, intimidation and threatening to force people to make a medical choice

* vaccination is a medical choice. It’s the individuals choice. Non of my business.

* vaccinated people still spread (case on point - 1 person (non symptomatic) took 5 out at work - all double jabbed; 2 got very sick. Look at hospital figures.

* choose not to meet non vacc people is your choice

* discriminatory practice of eliminate people’s lifestyle choices based on jab / no jab is wrong. Human rights here. Yes, the individuals rights.

*if you’re jabbed, get on with your life and mind your business. No one should have to explain their choices. "
I couldn’t agree more starting to force people to take something they don’t want to by taking away their liberty is a very slippery slope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal

Agreed with the terminology. It’s bullying, intimidation and threatening to force people to make a medical choice

* vaccination is a medical choice. It’s the individuals choice. Non of my business.

* vaccinated people still spread (case on point - 1 person (non symptomatic) took 5 out at work - all double jabbed; 2 got very sick. Look at hospital figures.

* choose not to meet non vacc people is your choice

* discriminatory practice of eliminate people’s lifestyle choices based on jab / no jab is wrong. Human rights here. Yes, the individuals rights.

*if you’re jabbed, get on with your life and mind your business. No one should have to explain their choices. "

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up).

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Democritus: the ones who fear death hate to live their life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such.

I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me!

It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

I haven't heard anyone say that masks should be banned.

I've heard many say that their compulsory use should be banned.

Very different things!

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned."
so it’s ok to just say there’s a few bad apples in one certain section of society that that means they are all the same and that we can use one term to describe them all????

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned."
freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not breed hatred or result in bullying in my opinion.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such.

I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me!

It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such.

I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me!

It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.

But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?

I'm not calling anyone an antivaxxer. I'm just saying that these people clearly exist.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

It's easier to fool someone with a lie than it is to tell them that they've been told a lie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such.

I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me!

It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.

But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?

I'm not calling anyone an antivaxxer. I'm just saying that these people clearly exist."

I’m not saying ban it. People call each other a whole plethora or horrid terms and it’s unfortunately part of life.

I just don’t think it brings anything to the discussion for either party and once used, I just switch off.

I just think it’s bandied about when the person has nothing intelligent to retort.

I personally think if you want it, get it, if you don’t, dont.

No need for name calling from anyone

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not breed hatred or result in bullying in my opinion. "

What, like saying that people are too stupid to see an obvious conspiracy, that they've doomed themselves to a premature death by taking things that are clearly unproven, and that they pose a threat to the unvaccinated? That people are so afraid that they're hiding, incontinent, behind their sofas, and that they should look up the obvious conspiracy but no, we won't tell you how?

I think that's pretty unpleasant, but if you want to slag me off for being vaccinated and not agreeing with you (because what I've just said is based on the "wake up sheeple" script) then I respect your freedom of expression

I'll argue, though, because I also have my own