FabSwingers.com forum: Vaccine shaming!

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

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What about people who are doing their bit? they’ve taken part in trials, they sign up for testing programmes, they advocate for use of PPE, they social distance etc, they're not anti vaxxers but still have reservations about this particular vaccine.

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

It is the way of the world today unfortunately, every single thing these days it’s turned in to tribalism, mostly social media is to blame as that were the extremes of both camps can shout the loudest. The common theme is your either with our camp or you’re wrong, there is no middle ground or grey area, if you show any sympathy to the other side you wish being ostracised from your own camp. It’s a behaviour that used to be confined to the play ground, by the then or us attitude has been brought front and centre in to adult culture.

The normal weapons are name calling (by way of nick names, internet trolling of anyone who disagrees with you and an absolute belief that yours is the only possible correct way and anyone who disagrees is by default wrong.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Double jabbed here for the plain reason im getting into the old bastard stage of life,would never think of telling anyone they should have it though,did pist on here the other day that SOME pro vaxers are just as bad as SOME anti vaxers

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think it's the way of the Internet and also people who are inflexible of thinking, who will only see things in terms of their own black and white.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

But

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't. "

People are shaming others who have had the vaccine?

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I am not going to shame anyone for their personal choices. I am also not going to feel sorry for anyone when those choices put them in hospital or worse. If you don’t want to be jabbed then that is fine. I respect that decision. Just don’t expect me to go into another lockdown for you because of the consequences of that decision.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Itisn’t so much shaming, it isbeing incredulous that even now after all the evidence - deaths dropping hugely amongst the vaccinated, serious illness dropping hugely, and by having as much as possible the population fully vaccinated, we reduce the R rate, it then keeps limiting the opportunity for the virus to mutate amongst our population.

So from a purely UK perspective, it is selfish of people to not look at the facts and realise we should all do our bit.

I remain concerned with people travelling as it will lead to new variants, but whilst we will not be travelling outside the UK for the foreseeable, many others will. This does raise all of our risks again.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Probably because it's a binary choice which affects not just the potential vaccinee but also wider general public health.

eg...a person's choice not to vaccinate affect ME as well.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think it's the way of the Internet and also people who are inflexible of thinking, who will only see things in terms of their own black and white. "

This..

Life is never like that even without such things as the virus chucked into the mix..

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I'm very pro vax, I'm sure that's obvious, if people have a genuine reason not to have a vaccine, that's fine, however, the amount of bullshit that gets repeated from conspiracy sites and social media is ridiculous.

Too many people are making decisions based upon complete nonsense and when their decision directly impacts other people, I have a problem with it. Especially when they then bitch about still having restrictions placed on them.

Their precious free choice sometimes comes with a cost.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Its the old mob mentality again pro and against, its psychology and will never disappear In humans and In animals

I've had both of my vaccines for myself, not anyone else or any other reason, I still don't want to catch it as it still has the potential to leave me with long lasting health issues, so I do my own thing and do it my way

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Lol...unexpected PM from someone saying "The people choosing not to have the vaccine are responsible for their health first and their health alone."

Then puts me on block because clearly unable or unwilling to discourse wider public health responsibilities further.

/bravo

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

It happens because humans are tribal. We have an inbuilt desire to be part of a group and fuck anyone else not in that group. We see it in everything from politics, sports and things like the vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm very pro vax, I'm sure that's obvious, if people have a genuine reason not to have a vaccine, that's fine, however, the amount of bullshit that gets repeated from conspiracy sites and social media is ridiculous.

Their precious free choice sometimes comes with a cost. "

Well said. When ever there is a reaction to something. There is a reaction to it. With choices come consequences at times. People have to realise that. Some people want Normal to return without being double jabbed. Have I got news for you... Not going to happen. Sorry.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Its the old mob mentality again pro and against, its psychology and will never disappear In humans and In animals

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"It is the way of the world today unfortunately, every single thing these days it’s turned in to tribalism, mostly social media is to blame as that were the extremes of both camps can shout the loudest. The common theme is your either with our camp or you’re wrong, there is no middle ground or grey area, if you show any sympathy to the other side you wish being ostracised from your own camp. It’s a behaviour that used to be confined to the play ground, by the then or us attitude has been brought front and centre in to adult culture."

I agree, this is very true and noticeable in a great deal of many things.

I think this stems from the fact that we are fundamentally animals at our base instinct (just very successful ones at survival). We're also short-lived and long-term strategic planning is not a natural trait of ours. We have to work at it.

Essentially, most immediate survival strategies boil down to selecting the most likely to succeed as quickly as possible. Fight or Flight, for example.

Considering several other alternatives wastes precious time, and while you're internalizing on whether to adopt a conciliatory approach to the problem and weighing up your opponent's viewpoints and possible reactions, they've wasted no time and eaten you.

Most things can be boiled down to Yes or No. Which leads to 2 camps. Sure, decision making may have been used to arrive at those camps, but once you are settled, that's where most people tend to stay.

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By *ussymufferMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

It's all about people having a choice vaxed or not but no one can tell us the long term data of this vaccine as its only been on the go for 7 months or what the long term side effects will be to people.

And why are the under 40s not getting the AZ vaccine what is the problem with it I have never seen a explosion for it

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"It's all about people having a choice vaxed or not but no one can tell us the long term data of this vaccine as its only been on the go for 7 months or what the long term side effects will be to people.

And why are the under 40s not getting the AZ vaccine what is the problem with it I have never seen a explosion for it "

No, the vaccines were being trialled long before they were given to the public.

Another point, you're willing to demonise the vaccines based on something that *might* happen, even though historically, vaccines rarely, if ever, cause long term issues, yet you'll risk getting covid and passing it on when millions of people are suffering with long covid? A *proven* condition that is causing severe health issues in perfectly healthy individuals.

Logic.

Also, I had the AZ vaccine, I'm under 40.

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By *ussymufferMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

And why are the under 40s not getting the AZ vaccine what is the problem with it I have never seen a explosion for it

No, the vaccines were being trialled long before they were given to the public.

Logic.

Also, I had the AZ vaccine, I'm under 40. "
why have they stopped giving it to people under 40

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By *ussymufferMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

And why are the under 40s not getting the AZ vaccine what is the problem with it I have never seen a explosion for it

No, the vaccines were being trialled long before they were given to the public.

Logic.

Also, I had the AZ vaccine, I'm under 40. "
how could they trial the vaccine before covid or did they know something no one else knew. And for your information I have had both jabs but still can't have an opinion

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

And why are the under 40s not getting the AZ vaccine what is the problem with it I have never seen a explosion for it

No, the vaccines were being trialled long before they were given to the public.

Logic.

Also, I had the AZ vaccine, I'm under 40. how could they trial the vaccine before covid or did they know something no one else knew. And for your information I have had both jabs but still can't have an opinion "

1. I didn't say they trialled it before covid.

2. I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, but expect people to also tell you theirs.

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By *hrobbermanMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

People have to make their own choices when it comes to being vaccinated. No-one is allo to force anyone to be injected with anything. People have their own personal medical reasons for mask wearing - or not. People have their own reasons for being vaccinated or not. People just need to respect that and do what is right for themselves and their families.

We have had Boris and Javid deciding isolation rules don't apply to them but only to us. Handcock, Ferguson and DomCum deciding rules don't apply to them either only us the great unwashed. Sometimes people can smell hypocrites and liars and I would have to agree with them.

I have stuck to the rules, worked throughout L'down in a frontline Education Service and am double vaxxed. But I totally defend anyone's right to deide not to be vaccinated.

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By *issLipsandhipsWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere

"I am not going to shame anyone for their personal choices. I am also not going to feel sorry for anyone when those choices put them in hospital or worse. If you don’t want to be jabbed then that is fine. I respect that decision. Just don’t expect me to go into another lockdown for you because of the consequences of that decision."

Do you still have the same view of people who put pressure on the health care system due to obesity?

Alot of people seem to be completely ignoring the natural ways to boost your immune system to fight off covid!

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

People have every right to decide not to be vaccinated.

The way they are being ostracised is shameful

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By *arklong88Man
over a year ago

Brighton/north Wales

From a scientific viewpoint it's good to have a control group that are not vaccinated

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By *ockle77Man
over a year ago

mids

As above , your natural immune system has obviously stood you in good stead up too now ,as we’re all still alive ,do these so called vaccinations interfere with that ? It’s worth considering before rushing to get jabbed ,

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By *ussymufferMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

And why are the under 40s not getting the AZ vaccine what is the problem with it I have never seen a explosion for it

No, the vaccines were being trialled long before they were given to the public.

Logic.

1. I didn't say they trialled it before covid.

2. I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, but expect people to also tell you theirs.

The AZ vaccine is not recommended for people under 40 because of the tiny risk of blood clots, since there are other vaccines readily available they are giving those age groups the alternative vaccines. "
it must be a big risk because there is a lot of people under 40 as with much of this vaccine stuff we don't know the truth about it the government has made billionaires out of these medical trials and if the s##t hits the fan with them they will disappear with the money and the public will need to pick up the bill again

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

And why are the under 40s not getting the AZ vaccine what is the problem with it I have never seen a explosion for it

No, the vaccines were being trialled long before they were given to the public.

Logic.

1. I didn't say they trialled it before covid.

2. I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, but expect people to also tell you theirs.

The AZ vaccine is not recommended for people under 40 because of the tiny risk of blood clots, since there are other vaccines readily available they are giving those age groups the alternative vaccines. it must be a big risk because there is a lot of people under 40 as with much of this vaccine stuff we don't know the truth about it the government has made billionaires out of these medical trials and if the s##t hits the fan with them they will disappear with the money and the public will need to pick up the bill again "

It isn't a big risk, it's a very tiny risk, you're more likely to get a blood clot from covid.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"As above , your natural immune system has obviously stood you in good stead up too now ,as we’re all still alive ,do these so called vaccinations interfere with that ? It’s worth considering before rushing to get jabbed , "

Do the vaccines interfere with your natural immune system?

A very basic explanation is that vaccines teach your body how to fight the illness, so instead of your body having a totally unknown enemy attacking it, it's aware of how to fight it and does so much faster and without such an effect on the body.

Vaccines give your body a head start in the fight against the disease.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

But

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't. "

Your post is looking at this issue as a 'black or white' or 'yes/no' situation and you are of course 100% correct that in a modern civil society there is no need for shaming of any kind.

However, the actual fact is that there are a third party of people who simply cannot have the vaccine. They don't get the 'choice' as to whether or not to have it as their bodies for whatever reason makes it for them. So by that fact alone the 'shaming' you so correctly disdain becomes instantly redundant.

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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

Totally agree ! Their choice, their consequences!

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Everyone’s individual choice whether to have it or not, the shaming from either sides I don’t understand. I haven’t asked anyone or been asked myself whether I’ve had the vaccine, I can’t imagine doing so either, it is none of my businesses what someone else does.

It’s no different than bullying or hate speech to me. Is it going to continue if the 12-17 olds get offered the vaccine and they choose not to take it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humans are nosy buggers.

If we were not slagging each other off over vaccines it would be about the car they drive, the dress they wear, the people they hang out with.

Sorry but finding differences between people and having a go were around long before brexit and covid and they will continue till the day we die, it's an evelutionary trait.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

"Humans are nosy buggers.

If we were not slagging each other off over vaccines it would be about the car they drive, the dress they wear, the people they hang out with.

Sorry but finding differences between people and having a go were around long before brexit and covid and they will continue till the day we die, it's an evelutionary trait. "

Bad manners and aggression have come to the fore more than they ever were before.

There's less tolerance for other points of view and yes, you see it on these threads.

Use of words such as 'covidiot' is a manifestation of this. It's disgusting to see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Humans are nosy buggers.

If we were not slagging each other off over vaccines it would be about the car they drive, the dress they wear, the people they hang out with.

Sorry but finding differences between people and having a go were around long before brexit and covid and they will continue till the day we die, it's an evelutionary trait.

Bad manners and aggression have come to the fore more than they ever were before.

There's less tolerance for other points of view and yes, you see it on these threads.

Use of words such as 'covidiot' is a manifestation of this. It's disgusting to see"

I think your view and my view of humanity are very different.

I view it in a longer time span, compared to the middle ages were difference would have you hounded out of your house and village, or burned at the stake.

Covidiot is relatively tolerant.

Like I say its human nature to be intolerant of differences.

The only change recently is that people openly show it online, in the past they would have just said it down the pub.

Same conversations but more widely distributed. 10 years ago id have no idea what an individual swinger in Somerset thought on brexit.

But their view is no different or less tolerant than it would be without social media or forums, it's just louder now.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

We ask take actions that are not good for our health from eating too much, smoking, drinking etc. This is just another one. Glass houses and all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably because it's a binary choice which affects not just the potential vaccinee but also wider general public health.

eg...a person's choice not to vaccinate affect ME as well.

That's the point.

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By *aint_or_SinnerWoman
over a year ago

South County Dublin

"Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

But

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't.

Your post is looking at this issue as a 'black or white' or 'yes/no' situation and you are of course 100% correct that in a modern civil society there is no need for shaming of any kind.

The world isn't black and white. The people who cannot take the vaccine, can still make informed decisions about who they have close contact with. Those in care, hospital or being cared for, have those decisions made for them with the necessary possible precautions put in place.

Shaming is never, ever acceptable! Never. It is never made redundant. And as a parent, I'm watching my children and other children and youths taking on board this incessant and widespread view and that shame and that guilt which is placed upon them, that we as humans are granny killers. It is psychologically damaging and traumatising!

Those advocating this mindset to protect the vulnerable are effectively causing a different kind of possibly irreparable harm to others who are just as vulnerable!!!

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland

"Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

But

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't. "

Too many people like to push their opinion in public.

Want the vaccine ? Go for it

Don’t want the vaccine ? Don’t go for it.

No one should feel they need to justify their decision either way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

But

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't.

Too many people like to push their opinion in public.

Want the vaccine ? Go for it

Don’t want the vaccine ? Don’t go for it.

No one should feel they need to justify their decision either way. "

If only more folks lived by this eh

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

"Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

But

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't.

Your post is looking at this issue as a 'black or white' or 'yes/no' situation and you are of course 100% correct that in a modern civil society there is no need for shaming of any kind.

Those advocating this mindset to protect the vulnerable are effectively causing a different kind of possibly irreparable harm to others who are just as vulnerable!!!"

This

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

This in a nutshell x

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

They are vaccines - not ‘so called’ vaccines.

That’s kind of the point, you have no idea how your immune system will react to covid if it hasn’t had it before. The human body can’t fight anything and everything, that’s why we have vaccines for other things.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

If your decision only affected you it wouldn't be as much of an issue but regarding vaccines, your decision affects others, unfortunately, there is far too much of 'well covid won't affect me so I don't really give a shit if it affects anyone else'. That's what I have an issue with, I won't apologise for it and I will continue to pull people up on it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If your decision only affected you it wouldn't be as much of an issue but regarding vaccines, your decision affects others, unfortunately, there is far too much of 'well covid won't affect me so I don't really give a shit if it affects anyone else'. That's what I have an issue with, I won't apologise for it and I will continue to pull people up on it. "

I understand your stance but being vaccinated isnt the only way to fight covid.

I’ll use the war analogy. Guys were given white feathers for not enlisting but some of those same guys were doing other things for war effort at home. Just because they were not on the front getting shot at doesn't not mean they were not doing their bit.

So in the same way just because someone isn’t vaccinated doesn’t mean they’re not still doing everything else to fight covid. People can be vaccinated and decide they have carte blanche to now act wild bollox to any remaining ‘restrictions’. It shouldn’t be a shame thing at all.

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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouh

I understand your stance but being vaccinated isnt the only way to fight covid.

Totally agree with this! The shaming is absolutely vile.

Especially when so many people have very little perception of how hypocritical they are actually being. They’re tapped in a ‘Covid view’ bubble and can’t get away from anything other than their own opinion being the right one.

Eating meat, driving a car, using a boiler. All of these things negatively impact the rest of the population and I’m sure most of these folk still do all of that daily and have a plethora of reasons as to why they should continue to do so (all of them very likely selfish ones)

I’m all for the vaccine programme but I’m also all for people having a choice and not being forced to explain themselves or in some instances as I’ve seen on here being told their explanations are good enough for the high almighty knowers of everything.

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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouh

Aren’t*

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I understand your stance but being vaccinated isnt the only way to fight covid.

Everything else isn't good enough unfortunately.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I understand your stance but being vaccinated isnt the only way to fight covid.

Totally agree with this! The shaming is absolutely vile.

Some explanations aren't good enough, especially those based on conspiracies.

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By *uma69Man
over a year ago

stockport

One word is all that is needed here

RESEARCH !!!!!!!!!!!

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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouh

I understand your stance but being vaccinated isnt the only way to fight covid.

Totally agree with this! The shaming is absolutely vile.

Some explanations aren't good enough, especially those based on conspiracies. "

And some are. And none of them actually need to be given to anyone on here, especially those demanding them entirely to pass judgement.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I understand your stance but being vaccinated isnt the only way to fight covid.

Totally agree with this! The shaming is absolutely vile.

Some explanations aren't good enough, especially those based on conspiracies.

And some are. And none of them actually need to be given to anyone on here, especially those demanding them entirely to pass judgement.

I don't insist on an explanation but if they give one, I might comment with my opinion on it.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"People have every right to decide not to be vaccinated.

The way they are being ostracised is shameful"
This

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I understand your stance but being vaccinated isnt the only way to fight covid.

Totally agree with this! The shaming is absolutely vile.

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This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you got a back-up plan if we do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You would think after the brexit fiasco that people would have realised that talking down to people and belittling them doesn’t work.

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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouh

I understand your stance but being vaccinated isnt the only way to fight covid.

Totally agree with this! The shaming is absolutely vile.

Some explanations aren't good enough, especially those based on conspiracies.

And some are. And none of them actually need to be given to anyone on here, especially those demanding them entirely to pass judgement.

I don't insist on an explanation but if they give one, I might comment with my opinion on it. "

Then I you aren’t in the collective that I’m talking about. Unless that opinion involves shaming?

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By *rIntensityMan
over a year ago

Nationwide

What I don’t understand and this Jib jab is if all these people are vaccinated why are the rates going up at over 50k a day. Surely that means the jab doesn’t stop you from getting or spreading the virus, so though you are doubled jabbed you can still spread it just as much as somebody unvaccinated? so why bother with vaccine passports? And also how affective is this vaccination at actually reducing the symptoms or transmission if your immune system is fully functioning and able to quell the virus symptoms, also high doses of intravenous Vit C, and other treatment methods are proven to be 100% affective aginat COVID. I wonder is this experimental jib Jib as affective as what they are claiming with their stats and figures posted daily or are we being taken for mugs or experimental guinea pigs with a placebo full of brand new untested technology that hasn’t been fully tested on humans (which normally takes from 5 to 10 years to fully test a vaccine) that they don’t have a clue at what the long term side affects are and also nobody seems to know exactly what is in it not even a full comprehensive breakdown of all the ingredients, (why is no info on this what so ever?) what exactly they do and what the possible side affects are like what you would get on any medication leaflet from your GP. Why has this never been made public by the government but yet they want everyone to have it? It would be nice to be informed on exactly what’s going inside your body, isn’t it not? Also how accurate is the governments data as the pcr test (which isn’t designed to test for infectious disease said by the man who designed it Mr Mulis) as above 40 cycles that the NHS is using it has a very high false positive rate of over 90% and the governments death date rate isn’t always truthful and genuinely 100% accurate at being a death from only COVID (and no other underlying health problems or accidents) where is the concrete evidence to prove this that these people died only of Covid when they don’t even do an autopsy? So one can assume the cases and death numbers can also be manipulated or altered if needs be as there is no way proving that they are totally genuine for reasons Iv just explained. Also there have been countless of people who have died of other things and COVID has gone on there death certificate and it has actually happened to a family member of mine so I can talk from personal experience. I find the whole pandemic full of big contradictions, full of U-Turns by the government, lies, inconsistency’s, and very misleading, untested and unproven information medically and scientifically and only very one sided and anything against the government narrative is deemed as conspiracy, misleading and anti-vaxx. Very interesting!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This stuff again?

If anybody has doubts about getting the vaccine, please just read up on vaccines from a trusted source eg the NHS. You'll hopefully see there's nothing to worry about. On the contrary, vaccines are incredibly effective and valuable.

Please do not base any vaccine decision on "info" gleaned from social media.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"What I don’t understand and this Jib jab is if all these people are vaccinated why are the rates going up at over 50k a day. Surely that means the jab doesn’t stop you from getting or spreading the virus, so though you are doubled jabbed you can still spread it just as much as somebody unvaccinated? so why bother with vaccine passports? And also how affective is this vaccination at actually reducing the symptoms or transmission if your immune system is fully functioning and able to quell the virus symptoms, also high doses of intravenous Vit C, and other treatment methods are proven to be 100% affective aginat COVID. I wonder is this experimental jib Jib as affective as what they are claiming with their stats and figures posted daily or are we being taken for mugs or experimental guinea pigs with a placebo full of brand new untested technology that hasn’t been fully tested on humans (which normally takes from 5 to 10 years to fully test a vaccine) that they don’t have a clue at what the long term side affects are and also nobody seems to know exactly what is in it not even a full comprehensive breakdown of all the ingredients, (why is no info on this what so ever?) what exactly they do and what the possible side affects are like what you would get on any medication leaflet from your GP. Why has this never been made public by the government but yet they want everyone to have it? It would be nice to be informed on exactly what’s going inside your body, isn’t it not? Also how accurate is the governments data as the pcr test (which isn’t designed to test for infectious disease said by the man who designed it Mr Mulis) as above 40 cycles that the NHS is using it has a very high false positive rate of over 90% and the governments death date rate isn’t always truthful and genuinely 100% accurate at being a death from only COVID (and no other underlying health problems or accidents) where is the concrete evidence to prove this that these people died only of Covid when they don’t even do an autopsy? So one can assume the cases and death numbers can also be manipulated or altered if needs be as there is no way proving that they are totally genuine for reasons Iv just explained. Also there have been countless of people who have died of other things and COVID has gone on there death certificate and it has actually happened to a family member of mine so I can talk from personal experience. I find the whole pandemic full of big contradictions, full of U-Turns by the government, lies, inconsistency’s, and very misleading, untested and unproven information medically and scientifically and only very one sided and anything against the government narrative is deemed as conspiracy, misleading and anti-vaxx. Very interesting!! "

You missed out microchips, Bill Gates and 5G

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You missed out microchips, Bill Gates and 5G

I didn't read the full thing due to the sheer wall of text. Just enough to get the gist of huhhh? whaaaa?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a good friend who refuses to have the vaccine. As far as I'm concerned I belive that it demonstrates a blatant disregard to friends and family's wellbeing. Also she has a business similar to being a Physiotherapist, so is putting her clients at risk.

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a good friend who refuses to have the vaccine. As far as I'm concerned I belive that it demonstrates a blatant disregard to friends and family's wellbeing. Also she has a business similar to being a Physiotherapist, so is putting her clients at risk.

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?"

She is being careless. She should get vaccinated.

But just wait. Somebody will come along and angrily say it's all about her choice.

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By *nkforthekinkMan
over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it! "

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?"

I believe that is her choice, which ends the second she interfaces with other human beings. Then her choice affects others.

It turns from an issue affecting one person, in to a public health issue affecting others.

If I had a cold and went to work and gave it to my colleagues, that is on me.

She is valuing her freedom and choice over and above others, especially ones in her supposed care (of which she has a duty of care herself to maintain).

That's medical malpractice/negligence.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?"

Think it's her choice! And shd not b judged by u or anyone else! Wont b staying away from my unjabbed friends that's for sure!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?"

This is exactly what i’m talking about trying to shame people for not being vaccinated! Have you asked her her reasons or has she had covid and is naturally immune? Is she relying on her clients being vaccinated conferring her some type of by proxy protection? You’ve explained the situation in a way thats coloured by your own opinion on it all.

As others have commented its really not clear cut at all and one thing leads to another. Where there should be people working together to improve a situation theres point scoring and big egos and where people should just do some research and make their own decisions theres judgements and nit picking. Its all really tiring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What gets me is that people won't meet because of covid when a year ago they were enjoying every cock under the sun without any protection, there's logic for you ha ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?"

I agree with you, you SHOULD stay away from her. She doesn’t need friends like you

You do you and give her the respect to have the autonomy over her own body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What gets me is that people won't meet because of covid when a year ago they were enjoying every cock under the sun without any protection, there's logic for you ha ha "

Or the ones berating others in here about vaccines and masks yet advertising for gang bangs. I bet they won’t have their masks on then will they eh?

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"What gets me is that people won't meet because of covid when a year ago they were enjoying every cock under the sun without any protection, there's logic for you ha ha "

I am not sure that is a good comparison, playing bareback and passing something on will still be contained to the people playing, not spread to potentially hundreds more

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By *nkforthekinkMan
over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?

I agree with you, you SHOULD stay away from her. She doesn’t need friends like you

You do you and give her the respect to have the autonomy over her own body."

Agreed

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By *nkforthekinkMan
over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?

She is being careless. She should get vaccinated.

But just wait. Somebody will come along and angrily say it's all about her choice."

Yup I was right.

Certain people still don't get how large scale vaccination programs work. You don't just get vaccinated for you. So it's not just about you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

But

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't. "

If people have a concern about this partyiculkar vaccine then they should make an appointment to speak to their GP about it, then make a decision.

If, after that, they still do not wish to take the vaccine then they shouldn't be shamed for that but, in my view, takje extra care when out and about to mitigate the potential for passing the virus on to others. (to be honest I think we should all still be taking extra care but I don't have a Classics degree so what do I know about viruses?)

If they start taking pride in their un-vaccinated status and tell the rest of us we are 'sheeple' etc. then that is an entirely different matter.

As for pubs, clubs etc. not letting unvaccinated people in then I'm afraid that is just an unwanted side-effect of not being vaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

If the unvaccinated aren’t getting Ill from Covid and the vaccinated are the ones that are beginning to go into hospital surely the jab should be personal choice.There’s a thing called medical privacy and people should respect that.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated.

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By *ensual -lover69Man
over a year ago

Blackburn

"Why does it happen?

Bit like in the war when white feathers were handed out to people who didn't enlist.

As with everything there are a small minority who will resist: there is no covid, the vaccine is fake, the government want to kill us etc

But

Maybe there are no half measures you’re an anti vaxxer or you're fully for the vaccine. I just don’t like the shaming aspect if you have had it and the shaming aspect if you haven't. "

I've been double jabbed and I've recently got covid but I have no regrets having the jabs as I'm 100% if I hadn't I'd be dead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated. "

Also worth reading this for some people:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/why-vaccination-is-safe-and-important/

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated. "

Good that Vallance corrected the statistic yesterday, but it still shows that around 40% of those that require hospital are in the fully vaccinated category.

The overall numbers are going to be much lower, however it does raise this question of both vaccinated and unvaccinated being able to transmit the virus.

I wonder what the current statistic is for symptomatic and un-symptomatic infections. This would be interesting to know, especially as the requirement to show a negative test will be removed if the covid vaccine passport is introduced..

Would you still go out to a vaccinated only event if you knew you were covid positive?

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By *ensual -lover69Man
over a year ago

Blackburn

I am choosing to keep well away from her for the foreseeable future.

What do you think folks?

I agree with you, you SHOULD stay away from her. She doesn’t need friends like you

You do you and give her the respect to have the autonomy over her own body."

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

Support the vaccination programme and had both jabs

That said I did so after careful thought and contemplation about the good and bad aspects of it. This was based on what I knew and was told by the government at the time..

So I was and still am perfectly happy with my choice and if it goes wrong? So be it! Thats what I chose. I accept any consequences of my action based on the facts I have been given.

Similarly anyone chosing not to have the vaccine.. Same rules apply.. Make an informed choice and be 110%percent happy to live with that choice.. Without complaints, moans or cries of ' no fair' etc.. You made the choice now you live with the consequences.. Same as everyone else..

We are all of us responsible for our own health both physical and mental and we chose based on information and facts.It would help if the government were a bit more timely and transparent though! .Then if we are wrong, wounded or beaten by any of it we accept it and the consequences because thats what we agreed with ourselves to do in the first place isnt it? ..

Bottom line this is not just about personal principles concerning forced or coercive Ness or even our health.. Its bigger than any of that. Its about understanding the changes that are coming which can not be stopped by any of us and making sure we are going to be in the best physical and mental shape to live in the new version as of this world when they do. Currently people are only seeing the beginning and crying foul! There's more to come.. There has to be.. My advice? Get onboard, strap in and hang on.. Or stay and get suffocated by it all eventually..but whatever you do decide to do it for yourself not anyone else.. Good luck

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I don't think many people are ever 110% happy with a choice they have made, especially regarding vaccination. I think it is an unrealistic figure.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated. "

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Like most things "Choice" has conquences and so.......

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on .. "

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unless medically exempt I'm happy to vaccine shame anyone. Idiots, Karen's, Anti-vaxxers or whatever.

BTW there are no religious reasons for not vaccinating...unless you count Jovoes Wtlesses....but they are guaranteed heaven anyway.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Unless medically exempt I'm happy to vaccine shame anyone. Idiots, Karen's, Anti-vaxxers or whatever.

BTW there are no religious reasons for not vaccinating...unless you count Jovoes Wtlesses....but they are guaranteed heaven anyway."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d worry about entering any enclosed and crowded environment with non vaccinated people. I still do masks, social distancing and sanitising at the supermarket, as apparently Covid didn’t get the memo about ‘freedom day’.

You’re less likely to catch Covid, and therefore less likely to infect others, if you have been vaccinated.

I like to be considerate of others, and have others be considerate of me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Unless medically exempt I'm happy to vaccine shame anyone. Idiots, Karen's, Anti-vaxxers or whatever.

BTW there are no religious reasons for not vaccinating...unless you count Jovoes Wtlesses....but they are guaranteed heaven anyway."

As much as i admire youre honesty, i wonder why? And What right you have? Its not as if you were the only one affected by covid. If you think vaccine shaming people well get us out of this faster then you're sadly mistaken.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just to make my personal stance clear. I believe in vaccines, i’ve had them! I believe in people doing the right thing but also believe in medical privacy and after 18 months of doing as were told, people should be allowed to make choices for themselves without judgement from others. No-one anywhere has confirmed this vaccine makes you completely invulnerable to covid in terms of catching or transmitting it just makes you less likely to develop serious illness and end up in hospital.

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

"Unless medically exempt I'm happy to vaccine shame anyone. Idiots, Karen's, Anti-vaxxers or whatever.

BTW there are no religious reasons for not vaccinating...unless you count Jovoes Wtlesses....but they are guaranteed heaven anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless medically exempt I'm happy to vaccine shame anyone. Idiots, Karen's, Anti-vaxxers or whatever.

BTW there are no religious reasons for not vaccinating...unless you count Jovoes Wtlesses....but they are guaranteed heaven anyway.

The same right to report a d*unk getting into their car and driving, who chances killing people by being irresponsible.

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By *itzi999Woman
over a year ago

Slough

"Unless medically exempt I'm happy to vaccine shame anyone. Idiots, Karen's, Anti-vaxxers or whatever.

BTW there are no religious reasons for not vaccinating...unless you count Jovoes Wtlesses....but they are guaranteed heaven anyway."

Agree with this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless medically exempt I'm happy to vaccine shame anyone. Idiots, Karen's, Anti-vaxxers or whatever.

BTW there are no religious reasons for not vaccinating...unless you count Jovoes Wtlesses....but they are guaranteed heaven anyway.

Agree with this! "

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Unless medically exempt I'm happy to vaccine shame anyone. Idiots, Karen's, Anti-vaxxers or whatever.

BTW there are no religious reasons for not vaccinating...unless you count Jovoes Wtlesses....but they are guaranteed heaven anyway.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated.

Good that Vallance corrected the statistic yesterday, but it still shows that around 40% of those that require hospital are in the fully vaccinated category.

The overall numbers are going to be much lower, however it does raise this question of both vaccinated and unvaccinated being able to transmit the virus.

Would you still go out to a vaccinated only event if you knew you were covid positive?

I’d much prefer the testing to be in place for all, show a negative test for entry, than be surrounded by those vaccinated who don’t test at all and have no idea if carrying it or positive.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

Then you would add one ( Im not looking for smart Alecs to do the 'me too on this!)

My point being.. There is a very high percentage who would not agree with you and that would be because either their own safety or simply because they may feel they somehow earned the right of entry wheras possibly others not so

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated.

Good that Vallance corrected the statistic yesterday, but it still shows that around 40% of those that require hospital are in the fully vaccinated category.

The overall numbers are going to be much lower, however it does raise this question of both vaccinated and unvaccinated being able to transmit the virus.

Would you still go out to a vaccinated only event if you knew you were covid positive?

I’d much prefer the testing to be in place for all, show a negative test for entry, than be surrounded by those vaccinated who don’t test at all and have no idea if carrying it or positive. "

Exactly this! A load of vaccinated carriers or unvaccinated but tested as negative. I know which I’d choose

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated.

Good that Vallance corrected the statistic yesterday, but it still shows that around 40% of those that require hospital are in the fully vaccinated category.

The overall numbers are going to be much lower, however it does raise this question of both vaccinated and unvaccinated being able to transmit the virus.

Would you still go out to a vaccinated only event if you knew you were covid positive?

I’d much prefer the testing to be in place for all, show a negative test for entry, than be surrounded by those vaccinated who don’t test at all and have no idea if carrying it or positive.

Exactly this! A load of vaccinated carriers or unvaccinated but tested as negative. I know which I’d choose

To be fair a testing on entry system would keep both camps happy and be better as a short term solution at least. However, as we know that will cost money and currently we are stoney broke due to reasons such as a rubbish TnT system and not checking who got handouts and yet happily carried on working over the last year or more whilst othets got enough to treat themselves to a chip barm and a vimto! ..

Where did the money really go Richi?

Sorry I digress.. Cant abide this government..

As you were!

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over a year ago

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated.

Good that Vallance corrected the statistic yesterday, but it still shows that around 40% of those that require hospital are in the fully vaccinated category.

The overall numbers are going to be much lower, however it does raise this question of both vaccinated and unvaccinated being able to transmit the virus.

Would you still go out to a vaccinated only event if you knew you were covid positive?

Well that’s a moral issue I think. I feel quite confident in saying that some people will carry on doing anything and everything if they are covid positive but feeling well. I have seen it in my work so I suspect there is a lot of it about. That would apply whether fully vaccinated or not though.

With regard to covid passports for events, I think we will just start to have illegal clubs/raves etc for unvaccinated people to be able to gather. The passport thing is not going to work with those types of venues.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

Then you would add one ( Im not looking for smart Alecs to do the 'me too on this!)

Earned the right of entry? Ohh please??

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all. "

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general. "

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

Then you would add one ( Im not looking for smart Alecs to do the 'me too on this!)

Earned the right of entry? Ohh please??

Sorry but you really need to stop this being 'put upon withering ' approach to every comment someone makes on here. You appear very good at the passive aggressive ' too btw in some comments

So here it is..like it or lump it.

You are incorrect!!! How about that? .. Lots of people out there already feel it would be grossly unfair if someone who was not vaccinated was afforded the same freedoms as those who actually risked their health and took part in the experiment were .

This will become even more apparent soon.. So many people took a risk with this vaccine for the sake of themselves and their families. If they do not see some sort of 'reward' for doing so from the government there will be hell to pay. I already have people who I go out with checking peoples vaccination status before going into the same pub or restaurant .. And Im sure Im not the only one who experiences the same sort of thing .So it will happen more and more as this thing develops.

Fact is the government are showing already people can not expect to have their cake and eat it and this has got to be made clear to everyone. Yes its a bit of a push and added pressure but you just watch what restrictions are put in place by Christmas this year! .. It will only be a very very small number out there who will continue to refuse vaccination and not have it severely impact their lives .Only those that cant will be exempt from it .

All the shouting about freedom and 'rights' this government already clearly sees as rubbish will be totally ignored. This is one time where everyone will have to follow the herd to a man and woman possibly even child .. And the government absolutely will make sure of it we can see this already .

If there is a way to avoid it? Would be living self sustainably off grid somewhere.. Other than that? No chance of not being impacted in some way..

My personal belief? Regardless of what ideal utopian world people want to live in we all need to be in the present and protect all our futures accordingly and that will be to comply with whatever the government says we need to do about this.. Either we are all wrong and the vaccine will backfire and take us out in some hideous way or we will make it and mankind will be stringer and more resilient as a species because of the vaccine simple as that

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people. "

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming. "

You can think what you like about people. It’s when people start acting on it that it becomes a problem. Seclusion, segregation, humiliation etc. You believe people are selfish for not wanting the vaccination, they believe they have justifiable grounds for not wanting it, I believe it’s selfish to try and force someone to have a vaccine they don’t want, I also believe it’s wrong to divide people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

The issue there is that they *think* they have justifiable grounds, quite often, that's based upon misinformation and conspiracy theories, which they then repeat and convince others not to get vaccinated, which in turn, affects those around them. Their choice doesn't only affect them and I totally agree with the restrictions unvaccinated (by choice) people will face.

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Each on their own, why i would take vaccine like a really healthy young person? Btw i had covid two weeks ago and thank God but i remember much worse hangovers in my life...and you can say whatever you want but all covid vaccines are not 100% tested

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

That’s irrelevant really, every single scientist and expert on the planet could say “get jabbed, it’s good for you”, you still can’t force it upon someone when they don’t want it. There are many instances where someone’s choices can negatively effect the health of others too. Being overweight for example could put extra strain on the health services yet shaming people for being fat is frowned upon.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

How is it irrelevant?

Not the same thing at all unless being fat can suddenly spread by breathing on someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

Quite a sweeping statement to make. No one can possibly know everyone’s reasons for declining.

Me myself, I suffer anaphylaxis. This vaccine petrifies me!

I have had covid and survived (thankfully), I have T cell memory which I believe will serve me well and have personal experience of deaths due to pulmonary thrombosis as a complication of the jab (yes this is written on the death cert).

First I was told it wasn’t safe for me to have it, then it might be, then “I’m fairly certain you’ll be fine” - loads of confidence.

So yeah, it scares me within an inch of my life!

I’m a widow with 6 children who’s dad died three years ago today. If anything happens to me, they are fucked!

I’m no anti vaxxer, I’m fully vaccinated and more (I’m nhs staff so have had more vaccines than most on this thread!) and my children are all fully vaccinated.

I’m scared. If I have to have my freedoms taken, so be it.

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

How is it irrelevant?

Not the same thing at all unless being fat can suddenly spread by breathing on someone. "

Well aren’t you vaccinated? Don’t you trust your vaccine to protect you?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

So I had both shots at first opportunity as did most people I know. But I listened to a younger caller on LBC recently saying basically we’ve had our lives, or best part of it, had our kids etc. They know nothing about it , don’t trust the government, not conspiracy theory, just think they are incompetent and worry about future consequences for them and their kids to come. Balancing that with the fact it doesn’t seem to be a big risk to their health . Fair comments I thought, if I was 20 I might think the same, it’s useful to understand different perspectives

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By *umchum1234Man
over a year ago

Bootle

You should be okay if you've had the vaccine what have you got to worry about, unvaccinated people and vaccinated people can transmit the virus,some vaccinated people get Covid and are fine unfortunately some still die,

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

Quite a sweeping statement to make. No one can possibly know everyone’s reasons for declining.

Me myself, I suffer anaphylaxis. This vaccine petrifies me!

First I was told it wasn’t safe for me to have it, then it might be, then “I’m fairly certain you’ll be fine” - loads of confidence.

So yeah, it scares me within an inch of my life!

I’m a widow with 6 children who’s dad died three years ago today. If anything happens to me, they are fucked!

I’m no anti vaxxer, I’m fully vaccinated and more (I’m nhs staff so have had more vaccines than most on this thread!) and my children are all fully vaccinated.

I’m scared. If I have to have my freedoms taken, so be it."

You have a medical reason not to have it, that's totally different to someone refusing it because it might make them grow an extra head in 10 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

Quite a sweeping statement to make. No one can possibly know everyone’s reasons for declining.

Me myself, I suffer anaphylaxis. This vaccine petrifies me!

First I was told it wasn’t safe for me to have it, then it might be, then “I’m fairly certain you’ll be fine” - loads of confidence.

So yeah, it scares me within an inch of my life!

I’m a widow with 6 children who’s dad died three years ago today. If anything happens to me, they are fucked!

I’m no anti vaxxer, I’m fully vaccinated and more (I’m nhs staff so have had more vaccines than most on this thread!) and my children are all fully vaccinated.

I’m scared. If I have to have my freedoms taken, so be it.

You have a medical reason not to have it, that's totally different to someone refusing it because it might make them grow an extra head in 10 years. "

I did have, now they are saying that “I’ll probably be ok” - so what do I do with that? Take the risk? How do I make that choice? I’m in an impossible situation.

I wish it was as cut and dry as “ I just don’t want it” rather than this.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated.

Good that Vallance corrected the statistic yesterday, but it still shows that around 40% of those that require hospital are in the fully vaccinated category.

The overall numbers are going to be much lower, however it does raise this question of both vaccinated and unvaccinated being able to transmit the virus.

Would you still go out to a vaccinated only event if you knew you were covid positive?

Yes

It is very much a moral issue, whichever side of the discussion you fall.

I do not think the club covid passport proposal is a reaction to the under 30 age group not being as fully vaccinated as the scientists/government would like - and will at some point be modified.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

How is it irrelevant?

Not the same thing at all unless being fat can suddenly spread by breathing on someone.

Well aren’t you vaccinated? Don’t you trust your vaccine to protect you?"

See, this is where your argument goes tits up, you clearly don't understand the purpose of vaccines, exactly the reason alot of the excuses don't wash with me, people come out with these things that they read on social media without any idea if what they are saying is even accurate.

If you don't even understand the basics of vaccination, how the hell do you think you're qualified to decide you are better without it?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

Then you would add one ( Im not looking for smart Alecs to do the 'me too on this!)

Earned the right of entry? Ohh please??

Sorry but you really need to stop this being 'put upon withering ' approach to every comment someone makes on here. You appear very good at the passive aggressive ' too btw in some comments

So here it is..like it or lump it.

If there is a way to avoid it? Would be living self sustainably off grid somewhere.. Other than that? No chance of not being impacted in some way..

I really dont need to stop anything ! I as u are intitled to my opinion/thoughts on this! And in no comment have I been aggressive! Passive or otherwise! X

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By *umchum1234Man
over a year ago

Bootle

Vaccinated people can also get reinfected and pass it on ,

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I did have, now they are saying that “I’ll probably be ok” - so what do I do with that? Take the risk? How do I make that choice? I’m in an impossible situation.

I wish it was as cut and dry as “ I just don’t want it” rather than this."

You might be classed as exempt if you've had allergic reactions to vaccines before or have an allergy to any of the ingredients.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"You should be okay if you've had the vaccine what have you got to worry about, unvaccinated people and vaccinated people can transmit the virus,some vaccinated people get Covid and are fine unfortunately some still die, "

Yet another person who doesn't understand vaccines. There's alot of information explaining the benefits of vaccine, try looking at up.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

How is it irrelevant?

Not the same thing at all unless being fat can suddenly spread by breathing on someone.

Well aren’t you vaccinated? Don’t you trust your vaccine to protect you?

If you don't even understand the basics of vaccination, how the hell do you think you're qualified to decide you are better without it? "

Tits up, good one. I understand perfectly the purpose of vaccines and how they work, don’t worry. My “argument” was actually that shaming people for not wanting to be vaccinated is wrong as division gets us nowhere. I couldn’t care less if the excuses you hear “don’t wash” with you either. Unfortunately for you, you don’t get to make the decision on what other people put into their bodies. Regardless of all your evidence and debunking of misinformation. If people believe their grounds for refusal are justifiable, then to them, they are. And I highly doubt your condescending approach will convince them otherwise as well.

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over a year ago

No one is safe until we are ALL safe, and that's not just the UK, people who transmit the virus risk it mutating. A resistant mutation will put us all back to square 1.

It's selfish not to have the vaccine when offered if there's no reason other than you don't want it. The first world has used econonmic power to hog the vaccine supply. Countries where vaccination rate is low will be where the risk is greatest. The variants will travel.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

Then you would add one ( Im not looking for smart Alecs to do the 'me too on this!)

Earned the right of entry? Ohh please??

Sorry but you really need to stop this being 'put upon withering ' approach to every comment someone makes on here. You appear very good at the passive aggressive ' too btw in some comments

So here it is..like it or lump it.

If there is a way to avoid it? Would be living self sustainably off grid somewhere.. Other than that? No chance of not being impacted in some way..

I really dont need to stop anything ! I as u are intitled to my opinion/thoughts on this! And in no comment have I been aggressive! Passive or otherwise! X"

Sorry if you feel that way.. You aren't giving an opinion though are you . You agree with people whose ideas you support and jolly them along yet dismiss pretty much everything anyone suggests you dont agree with, without anything to back it up. Why do you deny how things are clearly changing out there that are absolutely going to get worse .. Is it perhaps because you clearly cant accept what the world is like out there at the moment? And deny its existence in its true form maybe?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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But if you’re vaccinated and the people around you that you love are vaccinated and you can still get it,what difference does it make if someone who is unvaccinated is around you?

Over 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated.

Good that Vallance corrected the statistic yesterday, but it still shows that around 40% of those that require hospital are in the fully vaccinated category.

The overall numbers are going to be much lower, however it does raise this question of both vaccinated and unvaccinated being able to transmit the virus.

Would you still go out to a vaccinated only event if you knew you were covid positive?

Yes

It is very much a moral issue, whichever side of the discussion you fall.

I do not think the club covid passport proposal is a reaction to the under 30 age group not being as fully vaccinated as the scientists/government would like - and will at some point be modified."

* I do think the club …

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Do you not think that those refusing the vaccines for anything but a medical reason are causing division? Calling those who've had it sheep?

I don't get to make the decision unfortunately but when the restrictions are put in place, the unvaccinated part of the population will just have to deal with it and accept that as long as they want to stand apart from society, they will face restrictions. Because that's exactly what they are doing, they don't want to contribute to the safety of the population as a whole, they are just looking at how it affects them. Free choice can be costly.

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By *8guyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anti-vaxxers.... have the right to say 'no thanks'

Pro-vaxxers have to accept that, simple as.

But the same people (anti-vaxxers) also have to accept that if they are restricted to go on holiday....they are restricted access to nightclubs or elsewhere where restrictions are imposed ...simply because they dont have the vaccination...then ACCEPT IT and stop bleating about your civil liberties being infringed. They are not.

You made the choice OR NOT.

Its very, very simple,

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

Do you not think that those refusing the vaccines for anything but a medical reason are causing division? Calling those who've had it sheep?

I do indeed disagree with the “sheep” remarks and the often paired “brainwashed” insults. However, it doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as prevalent as the people slamming non-vaccinated folk, particularly in this forum.

I don’t think people refusing the vaccine (for whatever reason) are to blame for division though. If vaccine passports and different “freedoms” for different groups suddenly dropped from the agenda then no one would know who’s vaccinated and who isn’t and therefore there’d be no shaming and no division. There are other ways to contribute to the safety of the population too I feel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anti-vaxxers.... have the right to say 'no thanks'

Pro-vaxxers have to accept that, simple as.

You made the choice OR NOT.

Its very, very simple,"

Not everyone who declines is an “anti vaxxer”

Real life is not as black and white as this.

As I said above, some people are in situations with this that they would rather not be in! (See my post above)

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Do you not think that those refusing the vaccines for anything but a medical reason are causing division? Calling those who've had it sheep?

Well, we may have to agree to disagree then.

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By *rIntensityMan
over a year ago

Nationwide

Why penalise people who refuse to take an injection that is experimental that has caused 1059307 adverse reactions ranging from blood clots, Bell’s palsy, sepsis, cardiac arrest, blindness, strokes, paralysis, miscarriages, myocarditis in the young that the government has admitted on their yellow card website that also states that 1470 people have died since getting the Jab and these are only the ones that have been reported god knows how many have gone unreported! A big concerned is these vaccines are in a trial until 2023 and hasn’t been fully approved or fully tested for long term affects so who knows what affect it will have on the millions of people that have had it in a year or 2 years time? and how can it pass the trial in 2023 or become approved in any normal world due to the thousands of adverse reactions that have been reported and tens of thousands of vaccine deaths world wide that the media and governments are not telling you about. This is the drug Boris is telling you to take or you freedoms will be taken away!

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

Do you not think that those refusing the vaccines for anything but a medical reason are causing division? Calling those who've had it sheep?

Well, we may have to agree to disagree then. "

Well, I’ll agree with that haha.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Why penalise people who refuse to take an injection that is experimental that has caused 1059307 adverse reactions ranging from blood clots, Bell’s palsy, sepsis, cardiac arrest, blindness, strokes, paralysis, miscarriages, myocarditis in the young that the government has admitted on their yellow card website that also states that 1470 people have died since getting the Jab and these are only the ones that have been reported god knows how many have gone unreported! A big concerned is these vaccines are in a trial until 2023 and hasn’t been fully approved or fully tested for long term affects so who knows what affect it will have on the millions of people that have had it in a year or 2 years time? and how can it pass the trial in 2023 or become approved in any normal world due to the thousands of adverse reactions that have been reported and tens of thousands of vaccine deaths world wide that the media and governments are not telling you about. This is the drug Boris is telling you to take or you freedoms will be taken away! "

The yellow card scheme also very clearly states the following:

The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event. We ask for any suspicions to be reported, even if the reporter isn’t sure if it was caused by the vaccine. Reports to the scheme are known as suspected adverse reactions (ADRs).

Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness.

It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember the swine flu vaccines? Six million people in UK, and even more across Europe, were given the Pandemrix vaccine made by GlaxoSmithKline during the 2009-10 swine flu pandemic, the jab was withdrawn after doctors noticed a sharp rise in narcolepsy among those who received it. They are now paying out millions!!

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Do you not think that those refusing the vaccines for anything but a medical reason are causing division? Calling those who've had it sheep?

Well, we may have to agree to disagree then.

Well, I’ll agree with that haha. "

At least we agree on something

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" I do indeed disagree with the “sheep” remarks and the often paired “brainwashed” insults. However, it doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as prevalent as the people slamming non-vaccinated folk, particularly in this forum.

Very well said!!!

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

Do you not think that those refusing the vaccines for anything but a medical reason are causing division? Calling those who've had it sheep?

Well, we may have to agree to disagree then.

Well, I’ll agree with that haha.

At least we agree on something

Indeed

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

Very well said!!! "

Thank you

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

Id much rather that than have to put my life on hold for another 2 years thanks!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

Then you would add one ( Im not looking for smart Alecs to do the 'me too on this!)

Earned the right of entry? Ohh please??

Sorry but you really need to stop this being 'put upon withering ' approach to every comment someone makes on here. You appear very good at the passive aggressive ' too btw in some comments

So here it is..like it or lump it.

If there is a way to avoid it? Would be living self sustainably off grid somewhere.. Other than that? No chance of not being impacted in some way..

I really dont need to stop anything ! I as u are intitled to my opinion/thoughts on this! And in no comment have I been aggressive! Passive or otherwise! X

It is what it is! I dont have rose coloured spectacles for sure! And yes ive given my opinion on the subject and that is if people decide not to have the vacine that's fine by me! I've had them both! But them that have not shd not b shamed/bullied into having it! X

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Anti-vaxxers.... have the right to say 'no thanks'

Pro-vaxxers have to accept that, simple as.

You made the choice OR NOT.

Its very, very simple,"

Absolutely agree 100 % and woupd add that whole situation would be much easier if the government was more transparent to the population about their intentions and that those intentions were carried out much more timely.

With that cones the opportunity to make an informed choice and be prepared to live with the consequences without whinging about civil rights etc

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

Then you would add one ( Im not looking for smart Alecs to do the 'me too on this!)

Earned the right of entry? Ohh please??

Sorry but you really need to stop this being 'put upon withering ' approach to every comment someone makes on here. You appear very good at the passive aggressive ' too btw in some comments

So here it is..like it or lump it.

If there is a way to avoid it? Would be living self sustainably off grid somewhere.. Other than that? No chance of not being impacted in some way..

I really dont need to stop anything ! I as u are intitled to my opinion/thoughts on this! And in no comment have I been aggressive! Passive or otherwise! X

So what are the alternatives? If that system is to work then how does everything work when there is a degree of some sort of inequality perceived or otherwise .. I suggest in this case common sense is out trumping human rights to an extent.. And that will be the next problem

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Well said! Unfortunately people have short memory...same thing in Ireland, CMO Tony Holohan who is directly involved in cervicalcheck scandal and death of more than 200 women now he is acting like a "hero" during this pandemic plus he has his fingers in swine flu vaccines...it's just mad how people have so short memory...

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Imagine a vacation so safe you have to be black mailed into taking it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you had it!

Who needs to be black mailed into taking a vacation?

Different isolation terms for the double vaccinated.

Different travel terms / restrictions.

No entry to night clubs come September.

There pressuring people to get vaccinated.

No.. They are giving you a choice.. Probably because they think they know what everyone else e would feel if an un vaccinated person was let in..

So if 100 people want to go into a club and 10 are not vaccinated what do you think the other 90 will say /feel about it? Even the manager isn't t going to let them in.

Thats just how its going to be from now on ..

Its pressure for sure! If I was going to a club and others going in were not vaccinated wouldn't bother me one iota!

Then you would add one ( Im not looking for smart Alecs to do the 'me too on this!)

Earned the right of entry? Ohh please??

Sorry but you really need to stop this being 'put upon withering ' approach to every comment someone makes on here. You appear very good at the passive aggressive ' too btw in some comments

So here it is..like it or lump it.

If there is a way to avoid it? Would be living self sustainably off grid somewhere.. Other than that? No chance of not being impacted in some way..

I really dont need to stop anything ! I as u are intitled to my opinion/thoughts on this! And in no comment have I been aggressive! Passive or otherwise! X

88% of adults have had first vax and 69% have had 2 so we have to hope that will suffice! Any how u look at it people cannot and should not be shamed/bullied/ostracized into having it that's just wrong! X

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By *8guyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

88% of adults have had first vax and 69% have had 2 so we have to hope that will suffice! Anyhow, u look at it people cannot and should not be shamed/bullied/ostracized into having it that's just wrong! .

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As long as those people who can have it (aware some peeps cant|) but make a decision NOT to.....fully accept and stop moaning that they are being ostracised because they can't go on on a flight or into a nightclub then everyone's happy.

You really can't have your cake and eat it at the same time

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"88% of adults have had first vax and 69% have had 2 so we have to hope that will suffice! Anyhow, u look at it people cannot and should not be shamed/bullied/ostracized into having it that's just wrong! .

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You really can't have your cake and eat it at the same time"

Thank you.. Thats the point Im making too.. Its not bullying its accepting the consequence of a decision someone makes and then learns to live with it without complaints

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

Just received tweet that Beautiful days _estival is on Yay!However, event is organisers, artists, workers and attendees fully vaxxed, tested or immune or no entry .. If somewhere as free thinking and that has so many open minded people attending are going to do this it surely suggests this is the direction every live event is going to follow for the forseeable

Guess Ian Brown wont be in attendance then :/

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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouh

"Division will only lead to more division. “Vaccine shaming” under the guise of caring for the health of others is not healthy at all.

Why can't we just be concerned for other people's health? There doesn't have to be a sinister motive.

It's definitely not healthy to refuse a well tested, safe vaccine that also protects others, as is the case with vaccines in general.

You can be concerned about the health of others without having to “shame” people.

Is me saying 'I think it's selfish not to have the vaccine if you are able to do so' shaming? Because I've had it thrown at me a few times and I strongly believe that it isn't shaming.

Hold on a second you “think” you have justifiable grounds to tell somebody they are selfish because you “think” their reasons aren’t justified. Do you read your own comments before you post them.

Do you stay at home, only go out once a day for exercise and only shop for essentials? Just because the restrictions are lifted the most selfless thing to do would be keep your ass at home. And I’m betting no high horse riding know it all on here still does these things.

But I’m sure you make your choices based on your measure of risk but yet refuse to let someone else do the same?

You say they make their decision based on misinformation. How the hell do you know what misinformation Is? There’s so much bullshit out there and you’re probably reading 50% of it yourself!

Just because it has .gov at the end of the website address doesn’t mean it’s 100% accurate (as you may have noticed from the zillion U-Turns).

Honestly these are the kind of people who will be dragging women to the clinic when the government decide forced abortion is the best way to solve overpopulation!

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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouh

P.S. fully supportive of the vaccine programme. 100% against self righteous opinionated bullies.

Vaccine shaming. Name calling. Blatant hypocrisy!