FabSwingers.com forum: vax not working

By *istyblue1967 OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

This one has been done to death...simple maths...if everyone was vaccinated only vaccinated people could catch it....the majority of people are vaccinated so the incidence goes up.

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By *istyblue1967 OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

theres too many vaxinated people still contracting so its not protecting against covid

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!"

How many are in hospital? The jab doesn't stop you getting it, but it lessons the impact of the virus so you aren't as poorly

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By *rs-sensual-meWoman
over a year ago

gwynedd

We all know that having the jab doesn't stop you from getting it. It just hopefully lessens the symptoms you go through.

People on here have stated that they have hay-fever symptoms and tested positive. Which means it's doing its job. But for the people that have been jabbed,some tend to take more risks now so they higher their chances of catching it.

Doesn't mean it's not working.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!"

What do you know about vaccines?

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By *exOnLegsPlymCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

The vaccination is currently giving about 70pc protection against catching Covid after BOTH doses but that means nearly 1/3rd of those that have been vaccinated will "catch" Covid. It is also giving protection against getting seriously ill or dying from Covid - That's about 92pc and 98pc respectively. Most double vaccinated people are not getting seriously ill but some may need hospital support, a few may need ICU. To put this into perspective there have been zero Covid deaths in our area (Plymouth) since March 1st. Most who are catching it are unvaccinated but as above a few double vaccinated folk are also catching it. Symptoms of the Delta variant are not the same as "traditional" Covid. For people infected with the Delta variant, the top five reported symptoms are: Headache, runny nose, sneezing, sore throat and loss of smell. Much more like a cold (but more serious in the elderly and those at risk due to other morbidities). The vaccine is good, much much better than previous flu vaccines, but its not perfect. NOTE All info above from the ZOE Covid study group Kings College https://covid.joinzoe.com

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm not having the vax because we dont know the long term effects.

BUT its obvious the more people are vaccinated the more people who are vaccinated will be covid positive and the more people will die from covid despite having both jabs.

It doesn't mean the vaccine is bad or that it doesnt work, its simple maths, the more who are vaccinated the more will die or be infected whilst vaccinated.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"theres too many vaxinated people still contracting so its not protecting against covid"
it is working. Look at the infection rates compared to hospital admissions and deaths.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"theres too many vaxinated people still contracting so its not protecting against covid"

It doesn't stop you catching it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its to prevent fatalities its not like a magic pill to stop you catching it.

We still need to be careful.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

So many forum threads on this. Whilst these vaccines have very high efficacy, none of our vaccines for common infections are 100% effective for all people, all of the time. Expecting otherwise is unrealistic and against all of the extensive evidence, gained from hundreds of thousands of people during the research trials.

As others point out, vaccinate millions, when there's a very virulent variant, it will infect some of them.

The positive news is that the vaccines prevent infections from becoming very severe illness or cause death, when compared with people who are not vaccinated.

Choose life or death, in essence, is the black and white worst case scenario option that we have. It's great to have choice and control over our outcomes.

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

Jees how many times do some need to be explained too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One side or the other will be proven right in the coming years when possible long term health effects become apparent from these much touted magical vaccines. I would rather take my chances, I am having none of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing to do with that. It's a virus mutation. Historically and for time and memorial. Mutations mean weaker but more infectious. Its not rocket science for goodness sake.

I hope you're better at rocket science than you are at molecular biology and virology.

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Why had between February 1st and 21st June as 63.4 % of deaths which was 257 deaths 163 of those deaths that had occurred during the 28 days since being told they Covid have had either one or two jabs of the vaccine

That tells me that it’s not working and just giving people a false sense of security

That to me isn’t protecting the people taking the vaccines and also not preventing deaths either from having the vaccine

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By *ustforfun49Man
over a year ago

chesterfield

"theres too many vaxinated people still contracting so its not protecting against covid"

You can still catch it but those who have had the vaccine will not get it as bad there is no cure for covid.

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

https://apple.news/AIpMEXN5FSsS735PS9o9kYg This is on all apple phone news section and the data is provided by public health England

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"https://apple.news/AIpMEXN5FSsS735PS9o9kYg This is on all apple phone news section and the data is provided by public health England "
did you actually read the article. Its explaining why the statistics show that the vaccine is working.

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Lol yes about 4 times and at no point did it make any sense it was contradicting itself time after time and how anyone can believe that 163 deaths out of 257 is proving the vaccine is working is beyond me

Might I add I had Covid and I had it severe I was in intensive care for 5 days and was touch and go for 48 hours and I don’t believe that the vaccine is doing any good at all

We all have our ideas and opinions and I ain’t trying to sway or slag the vaccine or anybody who decide to or not to take the vaccine It’s every bodies choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!"

Less people are dying, it’s working

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lol yes about 4 times and at no point did it make any sense it was contradicting itself time after time and how anyone can believe that 163 deaths out of 257 is proving the vaccine is working is beyond me

Might I add I had Covid and I had it severe I was in intensive care for 5 days and was touch and go for 48 hours and I don’t believe that the vaccine is doing any good at all

We all have our ideas and opinions and I ain’t trying to sway or slag the vaccine or anybody who decide to or not to take the vaccine It’s every bodies choice

If everyone was vaccinated then no unvaccinated would die.

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

No the vaccinated would die!! When they are most believe by having the vaccine it means they won’t die obviously that’s not happening!!

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Might I add I had Covid and I had it severe I was in intensive care for 5 days and was touch and go for 48 hours and I don’t believe that the vaccine is doing any good at all

We all have our ideas and opinions and I ain’t trying to sway or slag the vaccine or anybody who decide to or not to take the vaccine It’s every bodies choice

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Made perfect sense to me... and thought the article explained it pretty well.

The vaccine is very clearly making a difference. The admissions and death figures show that very well. As more people are now vaccinated than not vaccinated it stands to reason that the numbers will grow as more are vaccinated. But the key point is that the correlation between infections and mortality rate has changed considerably.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"No the vaccinated would die!! When they are most believe by having the vaccine it means they won’t die obviously that’s not happening!! "
the vaccine reduces your chances of catching and lowers the transmission rate. It also lowers the chance of serious illness or death... lowers not stops. Unfortunately some people will still succumb to this terrible virus. But thanks to the vaccine much lower numbers than before.

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!"

We know someone double coax’s who still caught covid and yet still think your a cockwomble for generalising and scaremongering. The death ratio is so much improved for those double vax’d.

Your input it not required thanks.

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Maybe that fact is that the NHS drs nurses specialist have all learnt how to treat the disease better whilst in hospital as I know for sure that if I had Covid in the first stages I would’ve most definitely died but by the time I got Covid which was end September they knew what was best ways of treating it and best meds to give to treat it

Whilst I was in hospital and intensive care they was saving people from their 30s upto lates 80s so I would assume even more that they have learnt even more and even better ways to treat it meaning the deaths amounts are lowered because of those facts x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder if threads like this should simply be deleted.

Vaccines are an incredibly powerful weapon in our fight against Covid. Spreading conspiracy theories about them and mistrust will result in some people refusing to take the vaccines.

That, in turn, will cause more people to die.

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"I do wonder if threads like this should simply be deleted.

Vaccines are an incredibly powerful weapon in our fight against Covid. Spreading conspiracy theories about them and mistrust will result in some people refusing to take the vaccines.

That, in turn, will cause more people to die."

But that is your opinion everybody is entitled to their opinion it doesn’t mean they yours or theirs are correct but it doesn’t mean it’s not either

It their opinions and debates happen on every day things including politics etc etc

So my opinion is that these post have as much right as any other post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do wonder if threads like this should simply be deleted.

Vaccines are an incredibly powerful weapon in our fight against Covid. Spreading conspiracy theories about them and mistrust will result in some people refusing to take the vaccines.

That, in turn, will cause more people to die.

But that is your opinion everybody is entitled to their opinion it doesn’t mean they yours or theirs are correct but it doesn’t mean it’s not either

It their opinions and debates happen on every day things including politics etc etc

So my opinion is that these post have as much right as any other post "

No, it's not just my opinion. If fewer people get vaccines, more people will die. That's simply a fact.

Science is far more valuable than the misguided fears spread by social media. Vaccines have proved themselves time and time again. Throughout human history vaccines have saved many, many lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Threads get shut down when they get too argumentative or when insults are bandied about. But threads like this could convince people not to take life-saving vaccines. Hence threads like this can literally cause people to die.

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"I do wonder if threads like this should simply be deleted.

Vaccines are an incredibly powerful weapon in our fight against Covid. Spreading conspiracy theories about them and mistrust will result in some people refusing to take the vaccines.

That, in turn, will cause more people to die.

But that is your opinion everybody is entitled to their opinion it doesn’t mean they yours or theirs are correct but it doesn’t mean it’s not either

It their opinions and debates happen on every day things including politics etc etc

So my opinion is that these post have as much right as any other post

No, it's not just my opinion. If fewer people get vaccines, more people will die. That's simply a fact.

Science is far more valuable than the misguided fears spread by social media. Vaccines have proved themselves time and time again. Throughout human history vaccines have saved many, many lives.

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ok thanks for your opinion and input

My opinion is while ever this vaccine is a experimental vaccine and until people have seen the results and possible side effects people won’t be swayed either way they either take it or not to no matter what you I or anybody else says they have made their choice or their opinion and they are and will stick by that choice!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do wonder if threads like this should simply be deleted.

Vaccines are an incredibly powerful weapon in our fight against Covid. Spreading conspiracy theories about them and mistrust will result in some people refusing to take the vaccines.

That, in turn, will cause more people to die.

But that is your opinion everybody is entitled to their opinion it doesn’t mean they yours or theirs are correct but it doesn’t mean it’s not either

It their opinions and debates happen on every day things including politics etc etc

So my opinion is that these post have as much right as any other post

No, it's not just my opinion. If fewer people get vaccines, more people will die. That's simply a fact.

Science is far more valuable than the misguided fears spread by social media. Vaccines have proved themselves time and time again. Throughout human history vaccines have saved many, many lives.

ok thanks for your opinion and input

People will be swayed by scaremongering such as this. Sadly.

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

As above that is what you think I believe people have made their choice of either yes or nay!! A long time back and those who want to take it have or will do so those who don’t want to take it won’t have or will not!!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Infection levels are similar to January but hospitalisations and deaths are extraordinarily low, compared to then - primarily due to the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Some will see whatever they want to see but it is best to read published medical research evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As above that is what you think I believe people have made their choice of either yes or nay!! A long time back and those who want to take it have or will do so those who don’t want to take it won’t have or will not!! "

I've no idea why you're shouting with exclamation marks. I simply want to save lives.

Here's a link that shows an analysis of how many lives the Covid vaccines saved by May. (12,000)

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/nearly-12000-lives-saved-by-vaccines-so-far-england-analysis-2021-05-13/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you were in hospital due to covid in September right ICU, intensive care and as you said covid almost killed you.

Now given your info its clear you had covid UK variant or original strain.

Fast forward to now would have different covid in the game the Indian delta variant which is far more transmissable and early reports suggest its at least as deadly as previous variants and effects more younger people. Even the main warning symptoms are different.

Many people who surived covid previously have been hit hard by getting the delta variant now. Bear in mind the delta variant is spreading across the UK like while fire surely you would consider getting vaccinated to protect against going through again (or worse) than what you did last September??

Bear in mind its already proven just how deadly covid can be to you?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

People will die that are vaccinated, it's not an immortality jab.

Most of the people dying are elderly or vulnerable, unfortunately, they would have died with or without the vaccine.

It's not proof the vaccines don't work.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"One side or the other will be proven right in the coming years when possible long term health effects become apparent from these much touted magical vaccines. I would rather take my chances, I am having none of them

I don't know anyone that has said there definitely won't be long term issues because nobody knows.

It's just a risk most of us are willing to take in order to help protect others, and ourselves now.

Fat lot of good being proven right will do if half of the world's population are dead or severely disabled through contracting covid.

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By *n Search Of SunsetCouple
over a year ago

Search Of Sunset

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!"

5G mobile signals are causing the vax not to work.

You need to ditch your mobile and get away from the 5G masts!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!

5G mobile signals are causing the vax not to work.

You need to ditch your mobile and get away from the 5G masts!

The crazy thing is, I've read so many mad conspiracy theories it's hard to even tell this is a joke.

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By *ubzero99Man
over a year ago

County Durham

Maybe wise to all on here that watch only main stream media, bbc itv…..etc

To look at some recent stories of what it is actually doing to people when it goes wrong.

More recently as of 5 days ago I think, there is a 15 year old girl who has just had jab 2 and she is pretty critical.

Uncontrolled shaking was actually very scary to watch imo. It has caused serious damage to her nervous system.

There’s a reason these stories don’t get published main stream, but the rise in numbers do just like they did with all the care home deaths, put it as Covid when it actually wasn’t.

It’s a very strange time, but even before this to trust our governments,laws and the hierarchy when they give pedophile’s a lesser sentence than someone who’s driving whilst banned shows not to trust this countries hierarchy, which is why this vaccination cannot be taken on there say so.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Maybe wise to all on here that watch only main stream media, bbc itv…..etc

To look at some recent stories of what it is actually doing to people when it goes wrong.

More recently as of 5 days ago I think, there is a 15 year old girl who has just had jab 2 and she is pretty critical.

Uncontrolled shaking was actually very scary to watch imo. It has caused serious damage to her nervous system.

There’s a reason these stories don’t get published main stream, but the rise in numbers do just like they did with all the care home deaths, put it as Covid when it actually wasn’t.

Do you have a link for the story about the 15 year old girl? I'm curious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe wise to all on here that watch only main stream media, bbc itv…..etc

To look at some recent stories of what it is actually doing to people when it goes wrong.

More recently as of 5 days ago I think, there is a 15 year old girl who has just had jab 2 and she is pretty critical.

Uncontrolled shaking was actually very scary to watch imo. It has caused serious damage to her nervous system.

There’s a reason these stories don’t get published main stream, but the rise in numbers do just like they did with all the care home deaths, put it as Covid when it actually wasn’t.

*sigh*

Vaccines. Save. Lives. Many, many, many lives. It really is that simple. That's 1 side of the argument.

And on the other side of the argument, we have vague conspiracy theories heard by some bloke's mate down a pub about a 1 in a million freak accident with some radioactive ooze and a bucket of lube that was really purposely engineered by the lizard people so Bill Gates could put microchips in all of us to turn us into aliens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"theres too many vaxinated people still contracting so its not protecting against covid it is working. Look at the infection rates compared to hospital admissions and deaths. "
and what were the infection rates deaths and hospitalizations last May June July August with no vaccine.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Maybe wise to all on here that watch only main stream media, bbc itv…..etc

To look at some recent stories of what it is actually doing to people when it goes wrong.

More recently as of 5 days ago I think, there is a 15 year old girl who has just had jab 2 and she is pretty critical.

Uncontrolled shaking was actually very scary to watch imo. It has caused serious damage to her nervous system.

There’s a reason these stories don’t get published main stream, but the rise in numbers do just like they did with all the care home deaths, put it as Covid when it actually wasn’t.

On the other hand, scientists are reporting concerned about children who are suffering severe organ damage as a result of the virus. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mis-c-in-kids-covid-19/symptoms-causes/syc-20502550

Also, in Israel, they have vaccinated children with serious health conditions which make them vulnerable, they reported that "Even mild side effects are rare".

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe wise to all on here that watch only main stream media, bbc itv…..etc

To look at some recent stories of what it is actually doing to people when it goes wrong.

More recently as of 5 days ago I think, there is a 15 year old girl who has just had jab 2 and she is pretty critical.

Uncontrolled shaking was actually very scary to watch imo. It has caused serious damage to her nervous system.

There’s a reason these stories don’t get published main stream, but the rise in numbers do just like they did with all the care home deaths, put it as Covid when it actually wasn’t.

Also, in Israel, they have vaccinated children with serious health conditions which make them vulnerable, they reported that "Even mild side effects are rare".

Cal

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Also in Israel 50% of vaccinated people diagnosed with Covid after being jabbed. Very strange indeed what's in it.????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"theres too many vaxinated people still contracting so its not protecting against covid"

The vaccine doesn't stop anyone from contacting covid, but hopefully protection against the symptoms of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Earlier in this pandemic people were posting to say they didn’t know anyone who’s caught covid.

Now many of us are getting the vaccine, are the same people claiming they personally know of ‘friends of friends’ who are all catching it?

If so, are they suggesting you don’t catch covid without the vaccine?

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

"The vaccine doesn't stop anyone from contacting covid, but hopefully protection against the symptoms of it. "

Yep it helps prevent you getting hospitalised. It’s not the magic bullet it’s been perceived to be.

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By *ausage1970Man
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

I read the title and thought maybe buy a shark or check the battery isn't flat....

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"I do wonder if threads like this should simply be deleted.

Vaccines are an incredibly powerful weapon in our fight against Covid. Spreading conspiracy theories about them and mistrust will result in some people refusing to take the vaccines.

That, in turn, will cause more people to die.

But that is your opinion everybody is entitled to their opinion it doesn’t mean they yours or theirs are correct but it doesn’t mean it’s not either

It their opinions and debates happen on every day things including politics etc etc

So my opinion is that these post have as much right as any other post

No, it's not just my opinion. If fewer people get vaccines, more people will die. That's simply a fact.

Science is far more valuable than the misguided fears spread by social media. Vaccines have proved themselves time and time again. Throughout human history vaccines have saved many, many lives.

ok thanks for your opinion and input

Your opinion (like mine) is wholly irrelevant.

Opinions don't trump science or facts.

The vaccine is doing it's job.

It works as it's designed to work.

The vaccine isn't experimental. What on earth makes you say it is?

We are seeing the results, have you seen how the death rate has fallen?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!

5G mobile signals are causing the vax not to work.

You need to ditch your mobile and get away from the 5G masts!

The crazy thing is, I've read so many mad conspiracy theories it's hard to even tell this is a joke."

I think you've resolved yoyr own dilemma.

Stop reading conspiracy theories. Problem solved.

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By *orsetCouple777Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

For those who say look at the death rates and hospital numbers....there are more deaths and hospital admissions than this time last year.

Please dont compare case numbers as we are now testing nearly a million people a day where as this time last year we were averaging 20 times less

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By *idnight_Express69Man
over a year ago

Rochdale

"theres too many vaxinated people still contracting so its not protecting against covid"

Vaccination does not protect a person from contracting Covid.

Vaccination serves only to reduce the severity of your symptoms if you contract it.

Say it louder for the people at the back!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole point of vaccine is to prime your body to be ready to defend itself against an organism when you catch it. They do not prevent you contracting a disease. They do enable you to fight it more quickly, effectively and efficiently. This leads to fewer serious cases, hospitalisation and deaths. It won’t completely eliminate them though

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

one of things the vaccine does or is capable of doing is reducing the impact of the virus and with this manageable for recovery I doubt anyone would want to go full length without medical treatment if vaccinated and want to find out what happens, unless it's already been explored unprofessionally with the patient needing treatment not receiving can't trust many these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!

5G mobile signals are causing the vax not to work.

You need to ditch your mobile and get away from the 5G masts!

The crazy thing is, I've read so many mad conspiracy theories it's hard to even tell this is a joke.

I think you've resolved yoyr own dilemma.

Stop reading conspiracy theories. Problem solved.

E"
I stopped watching the main fearmongers 12 months ago. The BBC and Sky.

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By *1bttmMan
over a year ago

Shoreditch east London

"this week i have discovered more people contracting covid after they have been double jabbed

its not nrespaer talk

its friends of friends

it aint working !!!!!!"

The vaccine isn't a cure! Just like we don't ave a cure for the common cold or flu. The vaccine works like the flu vaccine, which doesn't stop u getting it.

So don't for 1 minute think the vaccine makes u immune. Being vaccinated only means that if u catch the virus the symptoms should be less. And having seen first hand how fatal this disease can be I think I'd rather have mild symptoms than be dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seatbelts dont prevent car crashes but I'll still be wearing mine when driving!

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

based on 100 people. (Note these are not covid stats but just an example)

Out of those 100 90 have been vaccinated and 10 haven't.

Out of those 100 people 15 have died. (10 from vacinated group 5 from non vaccinated group) so more deaths from vaccinated group.

Death percentage for vaccinated people = 11%

Death percentage for un-vaccinated group = 50%.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Its not meant to be 100% effective.

Doesnt stop you getting it but meant to reduce the symptoms.

Abit like the flu vaccine.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

Clearly someone did not pay attention in maths when it was the week to do percentages.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Maybe wise to all on here that watch only main stream media, bbc itv…..etc

To look at some recent stories of what it is actually doing to people when it goes wrong.

More recently as of 5 days ago I think, there is a 15 year old girl who has just had jab 2 and she is pretty critical.

Uncontrolled shaking was actually very scary to watch imo. It has caused serious damage to her nervous system.

There’s a reason these stories don’t get published main stream, but the rise in numbers do just like they did with all the care home deaths, put it as Covid when it actually wasn’t.

Do you have a link for the story about the 15 year old girl? I'm curious. "

I have no reason to doubt that some people will get serious side effects.

But it seems that some are in total fear of the 1 in 600000 chance of getting a serious complication from the vaccine

Whilst ignoring the 1-10 chance of serious complications from the disease itself.

Like I say maths is not everyones strong point.

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By *irtycumboCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

There are more vaccinated ppl dying then non..... So it might lessen the symptoms for some ppl but still doesn't help the ppl whos body's can't cope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the vax dose not stop you catching it it trys to pervent serious illness

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch

"I'm not having the vax because we dont know the long term effects.

BUT its obvious the more people are vaccinated the more people who are vaccinated will be covid positive and the more people will die from covid despite having both jabs.

It doesn't mean the vaccine is bad or that it doesnt work, its simple maths, the more who are vaccinated the more will die or be infected whilst vaccinated.

We do know the long term effects - it's old tech. Literally the same basic principle as the flu jab.