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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m vaccinated but I’m not willing to judge those who don’t! It’s entirely reasonable that some people don’t want to because of the newness of it! And I don’t want vaccination status to be yet another thing that divides us as a nation!

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Have you asked your partner why he chose to have both vaccinations ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am double jabbed and firmly believe that everyone has the right to choose what goes in their own body WITHOUT others trying to cajole them into changing their minds.

In the personal circumstances you describe, I fully understand why you have made the choice that you have. That said, I think you are pretty unlucky to be in that position of having a disproportionate amount of bad reactions amongst your close family - it is a fact that the virus is typically much more dangerous than the vaccine.

I would strongly suggest that you chat through your personal experiences with a medical professional who will hopefully help you see the bigger picture and her some more perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s sounds like there is a lot to consider there, and I wouldn’t judge you for being wary. Could you not request the Pfizer?

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"I am double jabbed and firmly believe that everyone has the right to choose what goes in their own body WITHOUT others trying to cajole them into changing their minds.

In the personal circumstances you describe, I fully understand why you have made the choice that you have. That said, I think you are pretty unlucky to be in that position of having a disproportionate amount of bad reactions amongst your close family - it is a fact that the virus is typically much more dangerous than the vaccine.

I would strongly suggest that you chat through your personal experiences with a medical professional who will hopefully help you see the bigger picture and her some more perspective."

Yes I have a feeling there is something in my family genes that isn’t reacting well. It must be. It can be pure bad luck.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"It’s sounds like there is a lot to consider there, and I wouldn’t judge you for being wary. Could you not request the Pfizer?"

I’ve been told you can’t request them. I was going to try an early morning appointment as that’s when people say you’re more likely to get the Pfizer but bloody hell that’s hard work! Still keep trying….

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By *otsMan
over a year ago

Higham

No! Simple.

The amount of people that suffer blood clotting is absolutely tiny.

Out of 50m (uk) approximately only 100 or so have experienced blood clotting and those are not truly proven directly related a vaccine.

U.S CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

If your on this site and meeting your at high risk especially from the Delta variant which according analysis is much more virulent but not noted as more dangerous in terms of its illness effects or lethality.

A GP or Health practitioner will discuss the issue but I find a whole family group suffering stroke or Thrombosis related to a vaccine unlikely, but not impossible of course.

Best talk to a health care practitioner not social media.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Very eloquently put OP. The very essence of vaccine hesitancy as opposed to anti-vax.

I have been saying for months now on these forums that this is not a black & white or binary issue. However, too many people on social media are tribalist and unprepared to consider any viewpoint other than that of their tribe.

Hope that whatever choice you make is the right choice for you and yours.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"I’m vaccinated but I’m not willing to judge those who don’t! It’s entirely reasonable that some people don’t want to because of the newness of it! And I don’t want vaccination status to be yet another thing that divides us as a nation! "

It seems to be doesn’t it.

I’ve been so shocked by peoples reaction. I told a guy at work the reason why I wasn’t jabbed and he basically said ‘we’ll it’s for the greater good so just do it’

I’m thinking did you not hear me or something? Why is everyone’s objectivity shut off completely by this. Fear does weird things.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Have you asked your partner why he chose to have both vaccinations ?"

He has to travel a lot. And just did it because it was easier

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Very eloquently put OP. The very essence of vaccine hesitancy as opposed to anti-vax.

I have been saying for months now on these forums that this is not a black & white or binary issue. However, too many people on social media are tribalist and unprepared to consider any viewpoint other than that of their tribe.

Hope that whatever choice you make is the right choice for you and yours. "

Thank you. Really appreciate this

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"No! Simple.

The amount of people that suffer blood clotting is absolutely tiny.

Out of 50m (uk) approximately only 100 or so have experienced blood clotting and those are not truly proven directly related a vaccine.

U.S CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

If your on this site and meeting your at high risk especially from the Delta variant which according analysis is much more virulent but not noted as more dangerous in terms of its illness effects or lethality.

A GP or Health practitioner will discuss the issue but I find a whole family group suffering stroke or Thrombosis related to a vaccine unlikely, but not impossible of course.

Best talk to a health care practitioner not social media. "

Unlikely as it may it seems to be happening and I’m seeing it with my own eyes. Thank you for the stats you’ve just copied from somewhere else!

I’m not seeking medical advice I’m trying to find rational people who don’t have a ‘stick’ response.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

Whoops should have said “stock”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are certainly some sanctimonious jab receivers on here and even trying to force others through threatening no sex or meets.

I personally am not having them simply as they are rushed out experimental vaccines for a virus that has a 98% survival rate.

I am not against well-researched vaccines that are subject to clinical trials over the many years they usually are. I am just against THESE magical covid jabs.

I do not give a stuff if anyone blacklists my profile over this as quite frankly I would not want to meet such sanctimonious people in the first place

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I to know 3 people personally who have had strokes following the vaccine due to clots.

These instances are under reported, all 3 people have been left disabled with only one returning home with carers twice a day. All were working full time and will never work again plunging them into poverty in their 50's.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Nobody should be chastising you for choosing not to be vaccinated.

However, I strongly recommend that everyone should get vaccinated.

For information, the real world data has proven that being vaccinated reduces the chances of infection by over 85% and the chances of infecting others (if you DO get infected) by a further 65%... this equates to a 93% reduction in the chances of a vaccinated person infecting others.

Cal

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By *rrowxxxMan
over a year ago

Hitchin


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My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

"

Lies, damn lies and statistics

My question is how many people in your family? 67% of 3 would be just one person. A big proportion, but not a big number. I’m not asking that to judge, just to get context as people tend to jump to a conclusion with out posing questions.

Are you being selfish? No, I don’t think so. Are you being foolish? Yes, I do think so, but that is only my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

Stay safe

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"I to know 3 people personally who have had strokes following the vaccine due to clots.

These instances are under reported, all 3 people have been left disabled with only one returning home with carers twice a day. All were working full time and will never work again plunging them into poverty in their 50's."

Omg that’s awful! I’m so sorry to hear that. Pretty similar story here.

I’m not angry about any of it. Neither are they. We all understood the risk. But I think for me the risk has been proven and been proven to be quite high amongst my family so I’ve made my decision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same as everything really. Make your choices and take your chances. We’ve had both with no ill effects but that was our choice because we eventually want to get on a plane and leave the country as soon as we can for a much needed holiday. No one should be forced into having it if they don’t want it but think that’s the way it’s going by exclusions from certain pursuits and activities.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

Lies, damn lies and statistics

My question is how many people in your family? 67% of 3 would be just one person. A big proportion, but not a big number. I’m not asking that to judge, just to get context as people tend to jump to a conclusion with out posing questions.

Are you being selfish? No, I don’t think so. Are you being foolish? Yes, I do think so, but that is only my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

Stay safe"

9 people (thats those that were jabbed)

And I’m foolish because?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Op, call 119 if after speaking to your GP etc you change your mind. You can book a time and you can get Pfizer/Moderna if that's what you decide to do..

The Johnson and Johnson, single jab is also due to come on stream but not looked into that one in detail tbh..

Whatever you choose good luck, many people are hesitant and take their time in looking into the various types so don't feel pressured..

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Op, call 119 if after speaking to your GP etc you change your mind. You can book a time and you can get Pfizer/Moderna if that's what you decide to do..

The Johnson and Johnson, single jab is also due to come on stream but not looked into that one in detail tbh..

Whatever you choose good luck, many people are hesitant and take their time in looking into the various types so don't feel pressured.."

Thank you. Been trying to speak to my GP. If they’d ever phone me back!!

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"I to know 3 people personally who have had strokes following the vaccine due to clots.

These instances are under reported, all 3 people have been left disabled with only one returning home with carers twice a day. All were working full time and will never work again plunging them into poverty in their 50's.

Omg that’s awful! I’m so sorry to hear that. Pretty similar story here.

I’m not angry about any of it. Neither are they. We all understood the risk. But I think for me the risk has been proven and been proven to be quite high amongst my family so I’ve made my decision. "

It's awful to see. I'm not vaccinated either, and not an anti-vaxer. I'm watching and waiting. My health history also makes me concerned about having the vaccine.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It’s sounds like there is a lot to consider there, and I wouldn’t judge you for being wary. Could you not request the Pfizer?

I’ve been told you can’t request them. I was going to try an early morning appointment as that’s when people say you’re more likely to get the Pfizer but bloody hell that’s hard work! Still keep trying…. "

The national policy is that 30-39 you are offered a choice, you can choose any one of the three current vaccines and can very easily say no to the AZ which is what we're seeing at the centres..

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"I to know 3 people personally who have had strokes following the vaccine due to clots.

These instances are under reported, all 3 people have been left disabled with only one returning home with carers twice a day. All were working full time and will never work again plunging them into poverty in their 50's.

Omg that’s awful! I’m so sorry to hear that. Pretty similar story here.

I’m not angry about any of it. Neither are they. We all understood the risk. But I think for me the risk has been proven and been proven to be quite high amongst my family so I’ve made my decision.

It's awful to see. I'm not vaccinated either, and not an anti-vaxer. I'm watching and waiting. My health history also makes me concerned about having the vaccine."

That’s my stance. I just want to wait a bit longer. It hasn’t put the rest of my family off. I’ve told them I’m gonna watch and see how many of them get taken out first!

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"I to know 3 people personally who have had strokes following the vaccine due to clots.

These instances are under reported, all 3 people have been left disabled with only one returning home with carers twice a day. All were working full time and will never work again plunging them into poverty in their 50's.

Omg that’s awful! I’m so sorry to hear that. Pretty similar story here.

I’m not angry about any of it. Neither are they. We all understood the risk. But I think for me the risk has been proven and been proven to be quite high amongst my family so I’ve made my decision.

It's awful to see. I'm not vaccinated either, and not an anti-vaxer. I'm watching and waiting. My health history also makes me concerned about having the vaccine.

That’s my stance. I just want to wait a bit longer. It hasn’t put the rest of my family off. I’ve told them I’m gonna watch and see how many of them get taken out first!"

Exactly...wait until you are ready, you may never be ready. Keep strong

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"There are certainly some sanctimonious jab receivers on here and even trying to force others through threatening no sex or meets.

I personally am not having them simply as they are rushed out experimental vaccines for a virus that has a 98% survival rate.

I am not against well-researched vaccines that are subject to clinical trials over the many years they usually are. I am just against THESE magical covid jabs.

I do not give a stuff if anyone blacklists my profile over this as quite frankly I would not want to meet such sanctimonious people in the first place

"

Ah you know the regulatory requirements for medicines then. Can you tell me the regulatory clinical trial guidelines that last for many years for medicine/vaccine for them to go to market?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"

That’s my stance. I just want to wait a bit longer. "

So why are you trying to book an early morning vaccination appointment ?

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"

That’s my stance. I just want to wait a bit longer.

So why are you trying to book an early morning vaccination appointment ?"

I’m not now. I was trying when it happened to the first person.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

"

That’s not accurate , 67% is _ased on your family only , the actual stat is 99.99999 or something. But it makes sense you are scared after that happening

My daughter had a really bad reaction to jab #1 it was like malaria, I almost took her to a&e but it doesn’t stop us all getting #2. The vaccines ate properly tested and regulated and are as safe as any other drug. The only reason the AZ drug was pulled was due to misinformation and media hype. Get yourself vaccinated, you know it’s the right thing to do

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

That’s not accurate , 67% is _ased on your family only , the actual stat is 99.99999 or something. But it makes sense you are scared after that happening

My daughter had a really bad reaction to jab #1 it was like malaria, I almost took her to a&e but it doesn’t stop us all getting #2. The vaccines ate properly tested and regulated and are as safe as any other drug. The only reason the AZ drug was pulled was due to misinformation and media hype. Get yourself vaccinated, you know it’s the right thing to do "

That’s the point. Those are the stats for my family. Which (I’m pretty sure) I’m part of?

This is what I struggle with. Why is me getting vaccinated the right thing to do? For who? As every says the vaccine only protects me? Not reduce transmission. So I can pass it on vaccinated or not. So why do you think I should have it?

Are you really that worried about my chances of surviving Covid?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Reported issues with AZ here are about 1 in 10,000..

In Australia it's 1 in 88,000, and in other countries it's between both with the majority being on the mild side and recovery is fine..

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

Certainly the information from the medical profession is that such incidents are lower than the potential for suchlike with the pill which is another factor..

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

That’s not accurate , 67% is _ased on your family only , the actual stat is 99.99999 or something. But it makes sense you are scared after that happening

My daughter had a really bad reaction to jab #1 it was like malaria, I almost took her to a&e but it doesn’t stop us all getting #2. The vaccines ate properly tested and regulated and are as safe as any other drug. The only reason the AZ drug was pulled was due to misinformation and media hype. Get yourself vaccinated, you know it’s the right thing to do

That’s the point. Those are the stats for my family. Which (I’m pretty sure) I’m part of?

This is what I struggle with. Why is me getting vaccinated the right thing to do? For who? As every says the vaccine only protects me? Not reduce transmission. So I can pass it on vaccinated or not. So why do you think I should have it?

Are you really that worried about my chances of surviving Covid? "

Because the more people who don’t get vaccinated, the longer it will be a problem for everyone. I am worried yes, that you take away medical resources from people more deserving , because of your irrational views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is utter bullshit. A 1/3 in hospital with clots or strokes. When the chances are 10 in 100000. Must be the unluckiest family in the world.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

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OP knows 9 people who had thrombosis or a stroke after being vaccinated

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Double jabbed here but you do whats best for you,as for the vaccine zealots pay no attention to them,cant see it themselves but there just as bad as the anti vaxxers telling people not to have it in my opinion

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

No one should b judged/called selfish/ostracized for not having the jabs! People have the right to choose! Fed up of all this nonsense being called selfish/do it for the greater good etc its pathetic! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s sounds like there is a lot to consider there, and I wouldn’t judge you for being wary. Could you not request the Pfizer?"

LOL, Pfizer has been banned in many countries for precisley the reasons she mentioned.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Pfizer has been banned in many countries for precisley the reasons she mentioned. "

January 19 Norway announced there was no link between 33 deaths and the Pfizer vaccine. Which are the many countries that have banned it ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

OP knows 9 people who had thrombosis or a stroke after being vaccinated "

That's a lot..

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

OP knows 9 people who had thrombosis or a stroke after being vaccinated

That's a lot.."

I didn’t say that at all. I was asked how many people in total had the vaccine. That’s 9.

I know 3 people. My Nan (stroke) my Dad and sister (Blood clots)

I have no reason to make anything up FFS

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

That’s not accurate , 67% is _ased on your family only , the actual stat is 99.99999 or something. But it makes sense you are scared after that happening

My daughter had a really bad reaction to jab #1 it was like malaria, I almost took her to a&e but it doesn’t stop us all getting #2. The vaccines ate properly tested and regulated and are as safe as any other drug. The only reason the AZ drug was pulled was due to misinformation and media hype. Get yourself vaccinated, you know it’s the right thing to do

That’s the point. Those are the stats for my family. Which (I’m pretty sure) I’m part of?

This is what I struggle with. Why is me getting vaccinated the right thing to do? For who? As every says the vaccine only protects me? Not reduce transmission. So I can pass it on vaccinated or not. So why do you think I should have it?

Are you really that worried about my chances of surviving Covid?

Because the more people who don’t get vaccinated, the longer it will be a problem for everyone. I am worried yes, that you take away medical resources from people more deserving , because of your irrational views."

Irrational? Are you off your rocker?

Why is it a problem for anyone else if I’m not jabbed. Explain that to me in rational terms rather than just sensationalist comments

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"This is utter bullshit. A 1/3 in hospital with clots or strokes. When the chances are 10 in 100000. Must be the unluckiest family in the world."

It’s not bullshit. I have no reason to make shit up. If I wanted attention I’d take my top off!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Very eloquently put OP. The very essence of vaccine hesitancy as opposed to anti-vax.

I have been saying for months now on these forums that this is not a black & white or binary issue. However, too many people on social media are tribalist and unprepared to consider any viewpoint other than that of their tribe.

Hope that whatever choice you make is the right choice for you and yours. "

Absolutely, I have had two clients confined to bed after their first injections with neausiating migrains headaches and swollen arms and now refuse to have a second. This isn't uncommon and so I'll continue to wait and see what other side effects will emerge in the months to come.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

Thanks to everyone for commenting. Nice to see there are some people who are still objective.

Bloody awful how divisive this whole thing is making us.

But I’ll probably still continue to not share my vaccine status with people. It’s just not worth all this.

If I never have a fab meet again then so be it

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I completely understand how you must be feeling op.

I see it as it's your body and therefore your choice.

I don't see it as a problem for people to choose whether they want to be jabbed or not.

Their body their choice.

It does upset me how people have become so emotive about it that it breaks down communication and relationships.

Do what you feel is best for you you and all the very best.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

You're reasonably questioning what gets put in your body, not that it has anything to do with anyone else but it seems reasonable and actually seems more informed than many. I hope your family members who have clots recover after treatment.

I think more and better access to medical professionals is needed for people with genuine concerns such as yours.

Lastly, your family members who have had clot problems and your family members who have had covid and recovered without clots would seem to be a group that would be of great benefit to the drug manufacturers and health services to better understand the disease and the vaccine. Maybe you can try and connect with them and band of volunteers that helped fight this disease.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of the venom is coming from those who have had the jabs rather than those who have not. Those who have not had the jab are usually explaining why they do not want or trust it, rather than trying to force others not to have it themselves. However the other side is often trying to force others to have it through ridicule and/ or ostracisation, not that such behaviour will ever work on me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think not wanting to have the vaccine because family members have suffered serious side effects and anti Vax are the same thing at all.

It is perfectly reasonable under those circumstances to refuse the vaccine.

It doesn't make the OP selfish at all.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"I completely understand how you must be feeling op.

I see it as it's your body and therefore your choice.

I don't see it as a problem for people to choose whether they want to be jabbed or not.

Their body their choice.

It does upset me how people have become so emotive about it that it breaks down communication and relationships.

Do what you feel is best for you you and all the very best."

Ditto x

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

We where forced to be vaccination as we are going on holiday..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"No! Simple.

The amount of people that suffer blood clotting is absolutely tiny.

Out of 50m (uk) approximately only 100 or so have experienced blood clotting and those are not truly proven directly related a vaccine.

U.S CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

If your on this site and meeting your at high risk especially from the Delta variant which according analysis is much more virulent but not noted as more dangerous in terms of its illness effects or lethality.

A GP or Health practitioner will discuss the issue but I find a whole family group suffering stroke or Thrombosis related to a vaccine unlikely, but not impossible of course.

Best talk to a health care practitioner not social media.

Unlikely as it may it seems to be happening and I’m seeing it with my own eyes. Thank you for the stats you’ve just copied from somewhere else!

I’m not seeking medical advice I’m trying to find rational people who don’t have a ‘stick’ response. "

But if you are using statistics as you did in your opening post… then surely you should be looking at all the data.. at the moment you have cherrypicked to suit your narrative and argument and basically dismissed what the other person said

I have no issue if someone has a medical concern as to why they may want to hold out and wait, but surely that should be done in consultation with medical professionals

Got news yesterday that yet another of my work colleagues has ended up in hospital… and that is as well as the people and relatives I know have died

So with me having a blood disorder I did a risk analysis… the potential pluses far outweighed the negatives…

I just don’t have time for those people making up excuses for things that have not been proven

Decisions come with consequences… if that means you may be denied something because you made a decision not to… I don’t see why you should complain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thanks to everyone for commenting. Nice to see there are some people who are still objective.

Bloody awful how divisive this whole thing is making us.

But I’ll probably still continue to not share my vaccine status with people. It’s just not worth all this.

If I never have a fab meet again then so be it "

I think each to their own. Let people make their own decisions about whether to have the vaccine or not.

We are both double jabbed and also had COVID at start of the year. I’m glad now we had the jabs as it looks like moving forward, certainly in the short term, it will make traveling easier for us. Which is important not only for our quality of life but also financially as we usually travel extensively around the world for our work.

As a vaccinated person I wouldn’t be put off meeting someone because they had chosen not to have the vaccine. In fact, we will be doing plenty of swinging over the next few weeks and mixing with 100s of people at a lifestyle event. And I won’t be asking each one whether or not they have had 1, 2 or zero jabs.

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I believe the transmission rate and load (they might be the wrong terms) is lower if vaccinated, but wholly understand your reasoning and choice. Your body, your choice and one that should be respected by all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

Stuff like this IMHO is why we don't need the entire population to be vaccinated. I get it. Understand and would think similar to you. Saying that there isn't significant prevelance in the side effects (as far as I know)

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By *ampshirehotwifeWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire

Thank you op for sharing.

You have to do what is right for you.

As a healthcare professional myself we have it drummed into us 24/7 to respect and empower.

You have a choice! You should not be bullied or coerced into doing something that you don't want to do.

I am double jabbed. I have had covid. But only because I am at higher risk because of what I do and that was my decision.

I have a friend, who like yourself is not happy to take the chance of having the vaccine. It is our human rights.

I do think that you should do some more researching though.

Good luck op. I wish you well.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

OP knows 9 people who had thrombosis or a stroke after being vaccinated

That's a lot..

I didn’t say that at all. I was asked how many people in total had the vaccine. That’s 9.

I know 3 people. My Nan (stroke) my Dad and sister (Blood clots)

I have no reason to make anything up FFS "

Thanks for clarifying Op..

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

My family has a history of blood clots not because of covid vaccinations but because they all smoked. Life style choices such as smoking taking a birth control pill or even flying have much higher risks of causing blood clots. Even covid itself can cause blood clots. It is the OPs choice but if I was them I would explain everything to a medical professional.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"We where forced to be vaccination as we are going on holiday.."

Were you also forced to go on holiday ?

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"Reported issues with AZ here are about 1 in 10,000..

In Australia it's 1 in 88,000, and in other countries it's between both with the majority being on the mild side and recovery is fine..

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

Certainly the information from the medical profession is that such incidents are lower than the potential for suchlike with the pill which is another factor.."

I am a medical professional, incidents are not being reported.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reported issues with AZ here are about 1 in 10,000..

In Australia it's 1 in 88,000, and in other countries it's between both with the majority being on the mild side and recovery is fine..

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

Certainly the information from the medical profession is that such incidents are lower than the potential for suchlike with the pill which is another factor..

I am a medical professional, incidents are not being reported."

Is that because it is being covered up or because it is not actually happening?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Reported issues with AZ here are about 1 in 10,000..

In Australia it's 1 in 88,000, and in other countries it's between both with the majority being on the mild side and recovery is fine..

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

Certainly the information from the medical profession is that such incidents are lower than the potential for suchlike with the pill which is another factor..

I am a medical professional, incidents are not being reported."

Which begs the question how do you know something that's not being reported?

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By *irtyd468Man
over a year ago

North

I would be wary of having the vaccine in the circumstances you describe OP.

As others have said speak to your GP or when you ring to book an appointment speak to someone about your concerns then. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

All I can say OP is so you know 100% without any doubt and proven that the vaccine caused said issues for your family?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting?

"

That the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission is not yet proven. People shouldn't be telling you that as a fact.

Scientists are still working on this. Some evidence seems to suggest that vaccines do reduce transmission, but understandably this needs to be absolutely verified.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z

An interesting article from a science journal on the issue of transmission.

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By *elsh_naturist_coupleCouple
over a year ago

Newport

If that's your feeling and what your basing it on seems sound then get on with it. Its your life.

You don't need the opinions of people on here that you don't even know or won't even meet.

If you looking for justification then you is all that matters.

If you need people's opinion then speak to the people who can make a qualified opinion.

That's your doctor!

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By *ittermolassesMan
over a year ago

manchester


"I to know 3 people personally who have had strokes following the vaccine due to clots.

These instances are under reported, all 3 people have been left disabled with only one returning home with carers twice a day. All were working full time and will never work again plunging them into poverty in their 50's."

You may know 3 people, however, so far 128,000 people have died from Covid (probably a lot more). It will shoot up when the 19th is here, even incompetent Johnson has admitted there will be at least 200 new cases a day. And, officially there have been zero deaths from the vaccine (whether that’s true or not, the number will still be so much less than Covid). Plus Long Covid, the UK has the highest rates of that of anywhere in Europe.

So, with such a tiny probability of have a reaction leading to death I have had both my AZ jabs and literally had no side effects.

Do we really want to go down the root of the US who literally cheer when they are advised about who has not been vaccinated.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Not pointing finger at the op and sorry for the thread highjack.

But I have noticed something.

Many many anti vaxxers where and still are very quick to discredit covid,it's symptoms and the death statistics.

Yet they seem to suddenly without question believe anything related to vaccine side effects very odd almost like it's an organised effort to discredit the vaccine program and in turn the government??

Very strange.

Sorry OP like I said this is not aimed at you or your question.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

OP you have a rational viewpoint and also the hard impacts of your loved ones' misfortune and distressing outcomes. Many would take the same path that you have.

The vaccines are not a 100% panacea for the pandemic - we largely are depending on them, in addition to the restrictions. They prevent the vaccinated from getting infected to a great extent, reduce the severity of the illness and also reduce their infectivity to others - many fewer people get infected by them. It's a numbers game. Overall, they cut the impact of it on society at large. As OP knows, not 100% of the people vaccinated are fully protected, nor free of side effects. The good news is that by and large, they are very safe - for society as a whole. I'd be hesitant if several close loved ones had severe health problems after they had had a treatment - it's a healthy response.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"OP you have a rational viewpoint and also the hard impacts of your loved ones' misfortune and distressing outcomes. Many would take the same path that you have.

The vaccines are not a 100% panacea for the pandemic - we largely are depending on them, in addition to the restrictions. They prevent the vaccinated from getting infected to a great extent, reduce the severity of the illness and also reduce their infectivity to others - many fewer people get infected by them. It's a numbers game. Overall, they cut the impact of it on society at large. As OP knows, not 100% of the people vaccinated are fully protected, nor free of side effects. The good news is that by and large, they are very safe - for society as a whole. I'd be hesitant if several close loved ones had severe health problems after they had had a treatment - it's a healthy response. "

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Reported issues with AZ here are about 1 in 10,000..

In Australia it's 1 in 88,000, and in other countries it's between both with the majority being on the mild side and recovery is fine..

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

Certainly the information from the medical profession is that such incidents are lower than the potential for suchlike with the pill which is another factor..

I am a medical professional, incidents are not being reported."

Are you vaccinated and encouraging others to get vaccinated?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Not pointing finger at the op and sorry for the thread highjack.

But I have noticed something.

Many many anti vaxxers where and still are very quick to discredit covid,it's symptoms and the death statistics.

Yet they seem to suddenly without question believe anything related to vaccine side effects very odd almost like it's an organised effort to discredit the vaccine program and in turn the government??

Very strange.

Sorry OP like I said this is not aimed at you or your question."

Similarly whenever a post of this nature appears there are others who have throughout shown a bias against the measures taken to coincidentally have had the same issue, whateve it is as long as it's negative..

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

OP knows 9 people who had thrombosis or a stroke after being vaccinated

That's a lot..

I didn’t say that at all. I was asked how many people in total had the vaccine. That’s 9.

I know 3 people. My Nan (stroke) my Dad and sister (Blood clots)

I have no reason to make anything up FFS "

The three people that have been affected are all blood relatives (I'm assuming your Nan is your Dad's mother?) so this does raise the possibility that there is a genetic reaction going on. I understand that the blood clot mechanism that was identified for the AZ vaccine was some type of rare blood protein interaction, so (without understanding or having even investigated the specific details of this) (translation: Mrs KC and other real scientists feel free to tell me I'm wrong) I could see that there might be a greater chance of blood relatives showing an abnormal grouping of symptomology than just a number of randomly chosen unrelated people.

There could also be a possibility of some common environmental or behavioural link, although given the overall low prevalance of bad side effects of vaccination, this would have to be some relatively rare kind of connection (ie. nothing as simple as say all being smokers).

One thing that you should possibly be concerned about OP, is that if there is some susceptibility in your family to the vaccine (which is designed to key your immune system to be able to recognise the virus) then it is possible that you would all be even more susceptible to severe symptoms if contracting covid.

Is there anyone here on the forum, among our various scientists and others who have been studying the medical info, who might be able to suggest someone that the OP could contact about this very real concern of hers? Maybe a start point could be one of the reputable virology information orgs such as TWIV?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Thanks to everyone for commenting. Nice to see there are some people who are still objective.

Bloody awful how divisive this whole thing is making us.

But I’ll probably still continue to not share my vaccine status with people. It’s just not worth all this.

If I never have a fab meet again then so be it "

I think the issue might be that you seem to have no idea about the point of vaccines, you've said multiple things that aren't true.

The vaccines dont only protect you, they protect (up to a certain point) anyone you come into contact with by reducing the chance of you passing it on. They also contribute to herd immunity, which, eventually, is known to eradicate some illnesses.

The vaccines reduce transmission, the chance of severe disease, hospitalisation and death.

You also haven't mentioned if any of those people that suffered blood clots/strokes had any medication/underlying conditions etc that might make them more likely to suffer with these issues.

I understand that you're scared and that it must have been an awful time for you, but demonising the vaccines isn't the answer.

If you're having issues speaking to your GP, try calling 119 amd ask them for advice.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Thanks to everyone for commenting. Nice to see there are some people who are still objective.

Bloody awful how divisive this whole thing is making us.

But I’ll probably still continue to not share my vaccine status with people. It’s just not worth all this.

If I never have a fab meet again then so be it

I think the issue might be that you seem to have no idea about the point of vaccines, you've said multiple things that aren't true.

The vaccines dont only protect you, they protect (up to a certain point) anyone you come into contact with by reducing the chance of you passing it on. They also contribute to herd immunity, which, eventually, is known to eradicate some illnesses.

The vaccines reduce transmission, the chance of severe disease, hospitalisation and death.

You also haven't mentioned if any of those people that suffered blood clots/strokes had any medication/underlying conditions etc that might make them more likely to suffer with these issues.

I understand that you're scared and that it must have been an awful time for you, but demonising the vaccines isn't the answer.

If you're having issues speaking to your GP, try calling 119 amd ask them for advice. "

I’m 100% not demonising the vaccine at all! I support the vaccine programme completely. I encouraged my partner to continue with his second jab despite what he’d seen my family go through (all of his have been ok) I’m defending my right to _ase my decision on what I’ve seen rather than what other people repeat to me.

No no underlying issues (that would could have made them more susceptible and if there were one would hope their GP would have pointed that out?)

I’m not against the jab but I’m against everyone thinking they know better because they’ve read numbers on a website.

The guy above kindly pointed out 128k people have died of Covid and states that as though it’s fact. When he’s done 128k autopsy’s with his own hands then I’ll take what he’s said as fact.

I don’t deny Covid, I don’t deny the vaccines work. As I said I had mine booked until those 3 had their reactions and were told not to have the second (2 AZ, one other one - Nan can’t remember we can’t find her card, nursing home staff don’t seem to know or able to find out)

But I won’t continue to be called selfish, and idiot, foolish because everyone else thinks they know better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here here op.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Here here op. "

Bless you!

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By *iobhan123Woman
over a year ago

Deal


"It’s sounds like there is a lot to consider there, and I wouldn’t judge you for being wary. Could you not request the Pfizer?

I’ve been told you can’t request them. I was going to try an early morning appointment as that’s when people say you’re more likely to get the Pfizer but bloody hell that’s hard work! Still keep trying…. "

We would give the Pfizer given your background,rather a trek for you though, we have had people travel from far and wide

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

I’m with you I’m not getting jabbed ... I have friends at the moment who are very unwell ... been double jabbed ... and a friends daughter who is 30 has had a stroke

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware

It's called choice and in a free society it's allowed and should be respected.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

I’m with you I’m not getting jabbed ... I have friends at the moment who are very unwell ... been double jabbed ... and a friends daughter who is 30 has had a stroke "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am double jabbed and firmly believe that everyone has the right to choose what goes in their own body WITHOUT others trying to cajole them into changing their minds.

In the personal circumstances you describe, I fully understand why you have made the choice that you have. That said, I think you are pretty unlucky to be in that position of having a disproportionate amount of bad reactions amongst your close family - it is a fact that the virus is typically much more dangerous than the vaccine.

I would strongly suggest that you chat through your personal experiences with a medical professional who will hopefully help you see the bigger picture and her some more perspective."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your under 40 so it would be the Pfizer jab anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet still they come. "You don't know all the facts" "talk to someone" seems we are no longer allowed to decide what is best for us without those who think they know it all being patronising.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

OP as soon as blood clots are mentioned you are automatically moved to the Pfizer group jab.

That said I have family who have blood clots, are on thinners and have had the jab, with no reaction. Their decision was _ased on covid risk, over vaccine risk.

As the vaccine reaction risk is near enough 1 in 1 million, you'd have to be pretty unlucky. Even then they can medicate against it.

It is your body though and your decision but it will no doubt become a yearly jab due to mutations - covid will not simply go away, it'll be around for at least the next 3 years I'd say.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Thanks to everyone for commenting. Nice to see there are some people who are still objective.

Bloody awful how divisive this whole thing is making us.

But I’ll probably still continue to not share my vaccine status with people. It’s just not worth all this.

If I never have a fab meet again then so be it

I think the issue might be that you seem to have no idea about the point of vaccines, you've said multiple things that aren't true.

The vaccines dont only protect you, they protect (up to a certain point) anyone you come into contact with by reducing the chance of you passing it on. They also contribute to herd immunity, which, eventually, is known to eradicate some illnesses.

The vaccines reduce transmission, the chance of severe disease, hospitalisation and death.

You also haven't mentioned if any of those people that suffered blood clots/strokes had any medication/underlying conditions etc that might make them more likely to suffer with these issues.

I understand that you're scared and that it must have been an awful time for you, but demonising the vaccines isn't the answer.

If you're having issues speaking to your GP, try calling 119 amd ask them for advice.

I’m 100% not demonising the vaccine at all! I support the vaccine programme completely. I encouraged my partner to continue with his second jab despite what he’d seen my family go through (all of his have been ok) I’m defending my right to _ase my decision on what I’ve seen rather than what other people repeat to me.

No no underlying issues (that would could have made them more susceptible and if there were one would hope their GP would have pointed that out?)

I’m not against the jab but I’m against everyone thinking they know better because they’ve read numbers on a website.

The guy above kindly pointed out 128k people have died of Covid and states that as though it’s fact. When he’s done 128k autopsy’s with his own hands then I’ll take what he’s said as fact.

I don’t deny Covid, I don’t deny the vaccines work. As I said I had mine booked until those 3 had their reactions and were told not to have the second (2 AZ, one other one - Nan can’t remember we can’t find her card, nursing home staff don’t seem to know or able to find out)

But I won’t continue to be called selfish, and idiot, foolish because everyone else thinks they know better.

"

I'd definitely try calling 119, see if they can give you any advice or guidance on your situation. It might be that they advise you against having the job.

My personal view is that people who won't have the jab because of conspiracy theories or stupid crap they've seen on social media that clearly isn't true, those are the selfish ones.

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By *ohnj21Man
over a year ago

Leeds


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

I think you make some fair points. Especially the history of vaccinations issues in family.

If there wasn't a history I woyluld say get vaccinated. Are u 51 or 35

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By *issusWoman
over a year ago

Belfast


"No one should b judged/called selfish/ostracized for not having the jabs! People have the right to choose! Fed up of all this nonsense being called selfish/do it for the greater good etc its pathetic! X"

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By *nowknightMan
over a year ago

BRADFORD


"Thanks to everyone for commenting. Nice to see there are some people who are still objective.

Bloody awful how divisive this whole thing is making us.

But I’ll probably still continue to not share my vaccine status with people. It’s just not worth all this.

If I never have a fab meet again then so be it "

To the questionnaire I give you my side of the vaccine and the whole Cov19.

In May 2020 I spent 6 days 7 nights in a high infection ward holding hands to a very very dear person.

At that time any visitors to people were banned by the NHS; out of other reasons they let me in.

No infection despite being there 24 hours never leaving and sometimes without mask.

A year later a both jabs and spending time in Switzerland ( dual citizen) and having my friendly vampire friends ( doctors of the university clinic Zurich ) drain me of blood, they can not find anything of the AZ antibodies in my blood.

The reason.

I have a rare blood type with missing antigens ( I can give happily to all, but take sorry a big 'no go').

What I am trying to say that we are all humans, our bodies react differently to medication ( I can not be put under with painkillers even morphine - the joy of laying awake during operations and feeling the cuts of the scalpel).

A missing gen, a small defect in your heart, an unknown hole in your lung, etc.

So the same may run in your family a small defect in the gen chains can cause, without anyone knowing, a serious problem ( a testing would be recommended ).

It is correct, that the vaccine can not provide a 100% protection, but the effects of the illness are reduced to none fatal in most cases ( there will always deaths of people with full vaccination but this is due to additional causes like failure of blood vessels, heart attacks, stroke, etc ).

What the vaccination gives to all is, that there is a reduction of demand on the medical resources.

The series of vaccines starting with AZ running through to J&J, are designed to reduce Cov19 to a 'bad' flu 'situation'; the side effects of blood clotting, in extreme case of Pfizer brain damage and other lesser effects, those are in 100's to the millions of dosages given.

However no one should be made to do something they do not wish.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"Reported issues with AZ here are about 1 in 10,000..

In Australia it's 1 in 88,000, and in other countries it's between both with the majority being on the mild side and recovery is fine..

Got to be honest for one person to say they know 3 people who have suffered badly is mathematical statistics beyond my knowledge..

Certainly the information from the medical profession is that such incidents are lower than the potential for suchlike with the pill which is another factor..

I am a medical professional, incidents are not being reported.

Is that because it is being covered up or because it is not actually happening? "

Not knowingly covered up, the question of vaccines is not being asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The guy above kindly pointed out 128k people have died of Covid and states that as though it’s fact. When he’s done 128k autopsy’s with his own hands then I’ll take what he’s said as fact.

"

A good 90% of deaths don't require autopsy even pre-pandemic. I imagine the rate is even lower now due to the

increased workload of mortuaries. Doesn't mean the 128k deaths from covid is inaccurate though.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Nearly two years since the first case and the world not discussing its origin. Did the CCP have the vaccine before they unleashed covid on the rest of the world. Any why aren’t politicians and censored media discussing this. 4 million deaths, people losing businesses and global $30 Trn cost our grandchildren will be repaying are good enough reasons

Can appreciate peoples skepticism over vaccines when there is so much secrecy about the origins of this virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thanks to everyone for commenting. Nice to see there are some people who are still objective.

Bloody awful how divisive this whole thing is making us.

But I’ll probably still continue to not share my vaccine status with people. It’s just not worth all this.

If I never have a fab meet again then so be it

To the questionnaire I give you my side of the vaccine and the whole Cov19.

In May 2020 I spent 6 days 7 nights in a high infection ward holding hands to a very very dear person.

At that time any visitors to people were banned by the NHS; out of other reasons they let me in.

No infection despite being there 24 hours never leaving and sometimes without mask.

A year later a both jabs and spending time in Switzerland ( dual citizen) and having my friendly vampire friends ( doctors of the university clinic Zurich ) drain me of blood, they can not find anything of the AZ antibodies in my blood.

The reason.

I have a rare blood type with missing antigens ( I can give happily to all, but take sorry a big 'no go').

What I am trying to say that we are all humans, our bodies react differently to medication ( I can not be put under with painkillers even morphine - the joy of laying awake during operations and feeling the cuts of the scalpel).

A missing gen, a small defect in your heart, an unknown hole in your lung, etc.

So the same may run in your family a small defect in the gen chains can cause, without anyone knowing, a serious problem ( a testing would be recommended ).

It is correct, that the vaccine can not provide a 100% protection, but the effects of the illness are reduced to none fatal in most cases ( there will always deaths of people with full vaccination but this is due to additional causes like failure of blood vessels, heart attacks, stroke, etc ).

What the vaccination gives to all is, that there is a reduction of demand on the medical resources.

The series of vaccines starting with AZ running through to J&J, are designed to reduce Cov19 to a 'bad' flu 'situation'; the side effects of blood clotting, in extreme case of Pfizer brain damage and other lesser effects, those are in 100's to the millions of dosages given.

However no one should be made to do something they do not wish.

"

Wtaf? Rh null blood has been identified in 50 people worldwide in 50 years. Sounds fishy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

It's the woke mob that descends on people for an opinion. They would happily see personal freedom sacrificed in order to ensure the "safety" of everyone whether they want protection or not.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Your health is your business and nobody else's.

I understand your concerns Op but you shouldn't need to tell people whether you've been vaccinated or not.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

It's the woke mob that descends on people for an opinion. They would happily see personal freedom sacrificed in order to ensure the "safety" of everyone whether they want protection or not. "

What personal freedom?

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By *asterandGenieCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk


"Op, call 119 if after speaking to your GP etc you change your mind. You can book a time and you can get Pfizer/Moderna if that's what you decide to do..

The Johnson and Johnson, single jab is also due to come on stream but not looked into that one in detail tbh..

Whatever you choose good luck, many people are hesitant and take their time in looking into the various types so don't feel pressured..

Thank you. Been trying to speak to my GP. If they’d ever phone me back!! "

If you’re 30-39 you will be offered a vaccine that’s not the AZ one

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Thanks to everyone for commenting. Nice to see there are some people who are still objective.

Bloody awful how divisive this whole thing is making us.

But I’ll probably still continue to not share my vaccine status with people. It’s just not worth all this.

If I never have a fab meet again then so be it

I think the issue might be that you seem to have no idea about the point of vaccines, you've said multiple things that aren't true.

The vaccines dont only protect you, they protect (up to a certain point) anyone you come into contact with by reducing the chance of you passing it on. They also contribute to herd immunity, which, eventually, is known to eradicate some illnesses.

The vaccines reduce transmission, the chance of severe disease, hospitalisation and death.

You also haven't mentioned if any of those people that suffered blood clots/strokes had any medication/underlying conditions etc that might make them more likely to suffer with these issues.

I understand that you're scared and that it must have been an awful time for you, but demonising the vaccines isn't the answer.

If you're having issues speaking to your GP, try calling 119 amd ask them for advice.

I’m 100% not demonising the vaccine at all! I support the vaccine programme completely. I encouraged my partner to continue with his second jab despite what he’d seen my family go through (all of his have been ok) I’m defending my right to _ase my decision on what I’ve seen rather than what other people repeat to me.

No no underlying issues (that would could have made them more susceptible and if there were one would hope their GP would have pointed that out?)

I’m not against the jab but I’m against everyone thinking they know better because they’ve read numbers on a website.

The guy above kindly pointed out 128k people have died of Covid and states that as though it’s fact. When he’s done 128k autopsy’s with his own hands then I’ll take what he’s said as fact.

I don’t deny Covid, I don’t deny the vaccines work. As I said I had mine booked until those 3 had their reactions and were told not to have the second (2 AZ, one other one - Nan can’t remember we can’t find her card, nursing home staff don’t seem to know or able to find out)

But I won’t continue to be called selfish, and idiot, foolish because everyone else thinks they know better.

I'd definitely try calling 119, see if they can give you any advice or guidance on your situation. It might be that they advise you against having the job.

My personal view is that people who won't have the jab because of conspiracy theories or stupid crap they've seen on social media that clearly isn't true, those are the selfish ones. "

Yes I’ll have to I think because trying to get a callback from my own gp is like pulling teeth

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"

The guy above kindly pointed out 128k people have died of Covid and states that as though it’s fact. When he’s done 128k autopsy’s with his own hands then I’ll take what he’s said as fact.

A good 90% of deaths don't require autopsy even pre-pandemic. I imagine the rate is even lower now due to the

increased workload of mortuaries. Doesn't mean the 128k deaths from covid is inaccurate though."

Doesn’t mean it’s accurate either. Entirely my point. That number is just a number repeated from somewhere else. People say they’ve checked their facts. No they haven’t they’ve checked that someone else considered ‘reputable’ agrees with them

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I'm old, fat, black with underlying health issues. I'm "disposable" so when this vaccine magically appeared and the disposable group pushed to the fore I said "fuck...that!" They can test their drugs on their families! I was adamant I wasn't have it.

During our weekly zoom meetings my boss would ask who'd been vaccinated and I, the most vulnerable was the only one not. I'm on contract and felt pressurised into having it.

My other half hasn't been vaccinated and doesn't intend to until next year at least.

I have to say the first dose was unremarkable, the second dose...every chronic ailment I've not had in a decade flared up! I've not "felt right" in weeks. I feel tired and tearful most of the time.

I don't judge anyone for not taking it: wish I hadn't.

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over a year ago


"I'm old, fat, black with underlying health issues. I'm "disposable" so when this vaccine magically appeared and the disposable group pushed to the fore I said "fuck...that!" They can test their drugs on their families! I was adamant I wasn't have it.

During our weekly zoom meetings my boss would ask who'd been vaccinated and I, the most vulnerable was the only one not. I'm on contract and felt pressurised into having it.

My other half hasn't been vaccinated and doesn't intend to until next year at least.

I have to say the first dose was unremarkable, the second dose...every chronic ailment I've not had in a decade flared up! I've not "felt right" in weeks. I feel tired and tearful most of the time.

I don't judge anyone for not taking it: wish I hadn't. "

I haven’t had it and “luckily” my life threatening anaphylaxis means that I have a reasonable get out (although now I’m being told I’ll “probably” be ok!).

I’m a clinician in the NHS and every week we would all be pressured to accept. Lots have, some haven’t.

I feel for you, it’s awful to feel pressured into giving up body autonomy,

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Very eloquently put OP. The very essence of vaccine hesitancy as opposed to anti-vax.

I have been saying for months now on these forums that this is not a black & white or binary issue. However, too many people on social media are tribalist and unprepared to consider any viewpoint other than that of their tribe.

Hope that whatever choice you make is the right choice for you and yours. "

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

And what if we all thought like you and didn't get vaccinated. Where would we be then?

I do understand the point about those you know having clots but we need to know figures not just percentages. 33‰ sounds high but if that's just out of 3 people it's not really statistically viable is it?

Do you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods etc? All of these could contribute to the same experience you have had with clots and stroke. In fact without being Dr's and having consulted your loved ones medical records we can't really comment on the causation of their unfortunate and life changing events. I hope that they are doing well.

The vaccine reduces transmission. It doesn't stop it altogether so no, you are not just protecting yourself.

There are people who genuinely cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons so I see absolutely no reason why those who can won't get it.

The fact that you now have loved ones who could potentially be immunocompromised following their stroke is another argument for getting it.

Not judging you, you do what you want but this is your choice and if your choice restricts your access to ghibfs such as holidays and entry to places then you suffer that in silence. Don't cry discrimination.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby


"Your health is your business and nobody else's.

I understand your concerns Op but you shouldn't need to tell people whether you've been vaccinated or not. "

Except it’s not when so many medics have died of catching covid. Especially BAME medics. It’s not just ourselves we put in danger.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Nearly two years since the first case and the world not discussing its origin. Did the CCP have the vaccine before they unleashed covid on the rest of the world. Any why aren’t politicians and censored media discussing this. 4 million deaths, people losing businesses and global $30 Trn cost our grandchildren will be repaying are good enough reasons

Can appreciate peoples skepticism over vaccines when there is so much secrecy about the origins of this virus. "

There is no secrecy about the origins (unless China are knowingly covering up a lab escape). This virus originated a long time ago in the animal kingdom. The mutations and opportunity to jump into man is more recent but it’s not easy for science to pin point it.

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over a year ago


"It’s sounds like there is a lot to consider there, and I wouldn’t judge you for being wary. Could you not request the Pfizer?

I’ve been told you can’t request them. I was going to try an early morning appointment as that’s when people say you’re more likely to get the Pfizer but bloody hell that’s hard work! Still keep trying…. "

You are under 40 so yes you absolutely can request Pfizer, in fact you shouldn't be offered the AZ.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

No one has to believe anything they are told and people will always go with their lived, first hand experience because that’s what reasonates with them the most.

Everyone should try to look at it objectively.

33% of your family isn’t 33% of overall. I’d find it very damaging to look at such a small group of people and _ase an opinion on that. But for you knowing those people makes it harder to ignore.

The people who have lost young, fit, healthy family members will be doing the exact same on the other end of the spectrum.

Irrelevant of my opinions on vaccines, you just have to be true to yourself, open to fact even if it disagrees with your opinion and be happy with your decision x

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

I'm the same as you. I'm not getting a Jan until I know long term planning (will there be annual boosters for all, what will that look like. If not for all, why not as the vaccine seems not to be a long term, one time shot as per other vaccines)

The second you go against the grain you're a conspiracy theorist, anti vaxxer, immoral granny killer

Luckily I couldn't care less about the bleating of sheep and no one has said s word to my face so it is what it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

I'm the same as you. I'm not getting a Jan until I know long term planning (will there be annual boosters for all, what will that look like. If not for all, why not as the vaccine seems not to be a long term, one time shot as per other vaccines)

The second you go against the grain you're a conspiracy theorist, anti vaxxer, immoral granny killer

Luckily I couldn't care less about the bleating of sheep and no one has said s word to my face so it is what it is"

OK we have no idea how long Immunity from any of the vacc6 lasts so it's not true it doesn't last because we don't know.

Because we don't know it probable that those in the top 9 categories so over 50 or with an underlying condition or healthcare workers will be offered a booster in the autumn.

Also not all vaccines are one shot.

The flu vaccine is yearly and the MMR is delivered in 2 vaccines.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Whilst their has been 7.2 million prevented deaths their has been 27000 deaths from the vaccine apparently the clots never came up in the trials of the vaccine so it's an adverse reaction to anyone whose body reacts basically a hit or miss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over 1 million have reported adverse reactions how many unreported. All researchable for the doubters on the governments yellow card reporting. Bit difficult to find.And not on BBC or sky.. The trial of this vaccine ends in 2023.dont take my word for it. Do your own research.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

I'm the same as you. I'm not getting a Jan until I know long term planning (will there be annual boosters for all, what will that look like. If not for all, why not as the vaccine seems not to be a long term, one time shot as per other vaccines)

The second you go against the grain you're a conspiracy theorist, anti vaxxer, immoral granny killer

Luckily I couldn't care less about the bleating of sheep and no one has said s word to my face so it is what it is"

Good man say it how it is just like me

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

I also think it has been covered up to avoid people refusing the vaccine never trust the government always out to benefit in some way or another

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Over 1 million have reported adverse reactions how many unreported. All researchable for the doubters on the governments yellow card reporting. Bit difficult to find.And not on BBC or sky.. The trial of this vaccine ends in 2023.dont take my word for it. Do your own research. "

It's not a secret that some will have side effects, all medications have the potential..

The leaflet given out with the various vaccines say what the common ones are and how to report as you've referred to..

It's all open yet being spun by some who seem to have an agenda like it's being hidden and dodgy, everyone has the right to choose but it's become evident that some are spreading disinformation to persuade people otherwise..

Not a good place societally in relation to public health as the knock on effects will still be around in the future when no one knows what other viruses will appear..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns"

Neither have ever said "no harm"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns"

Neither of those two bodies have ever claimed no harm in relation to the current vaccines, the information about potential and likely side effects was part of every trial that took place..

The MHRA and other global authorities in open democracies would not have ok'd the use..

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Boris has only been concerned about one thing and one thing only which is the economy from the horses mouth live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Boris has only been concerned about one thing and one thing only which is the economy from the horses mouth live"

I'm just listening to it now.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims"

When?

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

"

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

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By *ranimallxl5Man
over a year ago

Winchester


"There are certainly some sanctimonious jab receivers on here and even trying to force others through threatening no sex or meets.

I personally am not having them simply as they are rushed out experimental vaccines for a virus that has a 98% survival rate.

I am not against well-researched vaccines that are subject to clinical trials over the many years they usually are. I am just against THESE magical covid jabs.

I do not give a stuff if anyone blacklists my profile over this as quite frankly I would not want to meet such sanctimonious people in the first place

"

Moat Vaccines are actually made in advance and just need a tweak to defend against a different straind...this is why they can bring them our so fast. The only delay was testing which is why they only appeared 9 months after the lockdown.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?"

Yes, you made a false claim then when challenged can't back it up with any source material then you put the onus on others to disprove your misinformation..

Standard trope throughout from those who seem to dwell in conspiracies rather than what the reality is..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?"

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

Yes, you made a false claim then when challenged can't back it up with any source material then you put the onus on others to disprove your misinformation..

Standard trope throughout from those who seem to dwell in conspiracies rather than what the reality is.."

You may comfort yourself by saying that the BBC and the NHS haven't made false claims. That is up to you.

But if you want a fuller picture you should really spend a few minutes researching. It's about your health.

But it's up to you of course

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

"

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

"

You’re quite right. You also shouldn’t feel the need to justify your decision either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching"

On finding you exceptionally patronising.

Like I said the BBC and NHS have never ever publicly stated there is no harm.

Nobody has ever said the vaccines are a 100% safe so I dont understand what point you were trying to make other than deliberately try to spread lies and false information.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching

On finding you exceptionally patronising.

Like I said the BBC and NHS have never ever publicly stated there is no harm.

Nobody has ever said the vaccines are a 100% safe so I dont understand what point you were trying to make other than deliberately try to spread lies and false information.

"

I assure you that it was the BBC and NHS that accepted they were issuing false information.

Maybe you should think again... it's your health at stake and we all need as much information as possible.

Keep reading

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching

On finding you exceptionally patronising.

Like I said the BBC and NHS have never ever publicly stated there is no harm.

Nobody has ever said the vaccines are a 100% safe so I dont understand what point you were trying to make other than deliberately try to spread lies and false information.

I assure you that it was the BBC and NHS that accepted they were issuing false information.

Maybe you should think again... it's your health at stake and we all need as much information as possible.

Keep reading"

Patronising people really doesn’t help education

If you feel your correct and want to help educate, maybe you could point us in the right direction as to where we can find this as you said, it’s our health too so id like you read it.

Otherwise, I’ll take it as you just want an argument on a forum and aren’t here to help at all lol.

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By *LAchillesMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

I’m truly sorry the loss of your loved ones and I hope those that have been taken ill and survived fully recover.

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By *ranimallxl5Man
over a year ago

Winchester

What I have learnt over the last year that moat of the people who seem to know the most without anything to back them up are white men over 40 ???

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching

On finding you exceptionally patronising.

Like I said the BBC and NHS have never ever publicly stated there is no harm.

Nobody has ever said the vaccines are a 100% safe so I dont understand what point you were trying to make other than deliberately try to spread lies and false information.

I assure you that it was the BBC and NHS that accepted they were issuing false information.

Maybe you should think again... it's your health at stake and we all need as much information as possible.

Keep reading

Patronising people really doesn’t help education

If you feel your correct and want to help educate, maybe you could point us in the right direction as to where we can find this as you said, it’s our health too so id like you read it.

Otherwise, I’ll take it as you just want an argument on a forum and aren’t here to help at all lol. "

A wider range of information is not 'patronising'. You will find it useful.

But you need to read. I have already done that reading and am not going to do it all again just because you're not prepared to.

You seem resistant to wide reading...but it is meant to help you. It's your health after all and opposing points of view are always helpful in helping you arrive at an informed view.

Up to you now

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"What I have learnt over the last year that moat of the people who seem to know the most without anything to back them up are white men over 40 ???"

So you think that no women, ethnic minorities etc are reading around the subject?

A bit racist perhaps?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I also think it has been covered up to avoid people refusing the vaccine never trust the government always out to benefit in some way or another"

How do the government benefit ?

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over a year ago


"What I have learnt over the last year that moat of the people who seem to know the most without anything to back them up are white men over 40 ???

So you think that no women, ethnic minorities etc are reading around the subject?

A bit racist perhaps?"

Lots of people are reading around the situation but lots of people aren't making claims that they refuse to backup. I have looked and I cannot find anywhere where the BBC and a chess have had to make of attraction for saying that the vaccines caused no harm which is what you are claiming.

Also you keep banging on about we should know this information because of our health. How does the fact the BBC have had to retract that no harm is caused effect my health in any way?

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching

On finding you exceptionally patronising.

Like I said the BBC and NHS have never ever publicly stated there is no harm.

Nobody has ever said the vaccines are a 100% safe so I dont understand what point you were trying to make other than deliberately try to spread lies and false information.

I assure you that it was the BBC and NHS that accepted they were issuing false information.

Maybe you should think again... it's your health at stake and we all need as much information as possible.

Keep reading

Patronising people really doesn’t help education

If you feel your correct and want to help educate, maybe you could point us in the right direction as to where we can find this as you said, it’s our health too so id like you read it.

Otherwise, I’ll take it as you just want an argument on a forum and aren’t here to help at all lol.

A wider range of information is not 'patronising'. You will find it useful.

But you need to read. I have already done that reading and am not going to do it all again just because you're not prepared to.

You seem resistant to wide reading...but it is meant to help you. It's your health after all and opposing points of view are always helpful in helping you arrive at an informed view.

Up to you now"

I’ve done plenty of research and reading. And a wider range is always good... hence why I asked for help if finding what your talking about.

My point is, I’m intrigued to read about what you’ve mentioned. And i can’t find it.

So I was asking for help as to where you’d read it.

Not sure how you can say I’m resistant to reading when I’m actually asking you where I can find it.

Very strange logic.

But again, your just here to rant rather than educate.

And that seems to be the problem with people on both sides of the argument.

Maybe if people were happy to help each other there’d be less of a divide and more understanding of each other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching

On finding you exceptionally patronising.

Like I said the BBC and NHS have never ever publicly stated there is no harm.

Nobody has ever said the vaccines are a 100% safe so I dont understand what point you were trying to make other than deliberately try to spread lies and false information.

I assure you that it was the BBC and NHS that accepted they were issuing false information.

Maybe you should think again... it's your health at stake and we all need as much information as possible.

Keep reading

Patronising people really doesn’t help education

If you feel your correct and want to help educate, maybe you could point us in the right direction as to where we can find this as you said, it’s our health too so id like you read it.

Otherwise, I’ll take it as you just want an argument on a forum and aren’t here to help at all lol.

A wider range of information is not 'patronising'. You will find it useful.

But you need to read. I have already done that reading and am not going to do it all again just because you're not prepared to.

You seem resistant to wide reading...but it is meant to help you. It's your health after all and opposing points of view are always helpful in helping you arrive at an informed view.

Up to you now

I’ve done plenty of research and reading. And a wider range is always good... hence why I asked for help if finding what your talking about.

My point is, I’m intrigued to read about what you’ve mentioned. And i can’t find it.

So I was asking for help as to where you’d read it.

Not sure how you can say I’m resistant to reading when I’m actually asking you where I can find it.

Very strange logic.

But again, your just here to rant rather than educate.

And that seems to be the problem with people on both sides of the argument.

Maybe if people were happy to help each other there’d be less of a divide and more understanding of each other "

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"What I have learnt over the last year that moat of the people who seem to know the most without anything to back them up are white men over 40 ???

So you think that no women, ethnic minorities etc are reading around the subject?

A bit racist perhaps?

Lots of people are reading around the situation but lots of people aren't making claims that they refuse to backup. I have looked and I cannot find anywhere where the BBC and a chess have had to make of attraction for saying that the vaccines caused no harm which is what you are claiming.

Also you keep banging on about we should know this information because of our health. How does the fact the BBC have had to retract that no harm is caused effect my health in any way?"

Because you need to know the risks as well as the benefits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I have learnt over the last year that moat of the people who seem to know the most without anything to back them up are white men over 40 ???

So you think that no women, ethnic minorities etc are reading around the subject?

A bit racist perhaps?

Lots of people are reading around the situation but lots of people aren't making claims that they refuse to backup. I have looked and I cannot find anywhere where the BBC and a chess have had to make of attraction for saying that the vaccines caused no harm which is what you are claiming.

Also you keep banging on about we should know this information because of our health. How does the fact the BBC have had to retract that no harm is caused effect my health in any way?

Because you need to know the risks as well as the benefits"

I do.

Like I said how does finding out that the BBC had to retract something affect my health in any way?

the information about possible side effects is freely given and is actually giving to you at the vaccination centre. Like I said nobody is trying to claim it is a 100% safe.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"What I have learnt over the last year that moat of the people who seem to know the most without anything to back them up are white men over 40 ???

So you think that no women, ethnic minorities etc are reading around the subject?

A bit racist perhaps?

Lots of people are reading around the situation but lots of people aren't making claims that they refuse to backup. I have looked and I cannot find anywhere where the BBC and a chess have had to make of attraction for saying that the vaccines caused no harm which is what you are claiming.

Also you keep banging on about we should know this information because of our health. How does the fact the BBC have had to retract that no harm is caused effect my health in any way?

Because you need to know the risks as well as the benefits

I do.

Like I said how does finding out that the BBC had to retract something affect my health in any way?

the information about possible side effects is freely given and is actually giving to you at the vaccination centre. Like I said nobody is trying to claim it is a 100% safe."

Well, aren't you curious if people have lied? Does it make you wonder why? And does it make you wonder if you are being told everything you need to know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I have learnt over the last year that moat of the people who seem to know the most without anything to back them up are white men over 40 ???

So you think that no women, ethnic minorities etc are reading around the subject?

A bit racist perhaps?

Lots of people are reading around the situation but lots of people aren't making claims that they refuse to backup. I have looked and I cannot find anywhere where the BBC and a chess have had to make of attraction for saying that the vaccines caused no harm which is what you are claiming.

Also you keep banging on about we should know this information because of our health. How does the fact the BBC have had to retract that no harm is caused effect my health in any way?

Because you need to know the risks as well as the benefits

I do.

Like I said how does finding out that the BBC had to retract something affect my health in any way?

the information about possible side effects is freely given and is actually giving to you at the vaccination centre. Like I said nobody is trying to claim it is a 100% safe.

Well, aren't you curious if people have lied? Does it make you wonder why? And does it make you wonder if you are being told everything you need to know?"

Nope.

Iv done my research and it was the best option for me.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"What I have learnt over the last year that moat of the people who seem to know the most without anything to back them up are white men over 40 ???

So you think that no women, ethnic minorities etc are reading around the subject?

A bit racist perhaps?

Lots of people are reading around the situation but lots of people aren't making claims that they refuse to backup. I have looked and I cannot find anywhere where the BBC and a chess have had to make of attraction for saying that the vaccines caused no harm which is what you are claiming.

Also you keep banging on about we should know this information because of our health. How does the fact the BBC have had to retract that no harm is caused effect my health in any way?

Because you need to know the risks as well as the benefits

I do.

Like I said how does finding out that the BBC had to retract something affect my health in any way?

the information about possible side effects is freely given and is actually giving to you at the vaccination centre. Like I said nobody is trying to claim it is a 100% safe.

Well, aren't you curious if people have lied? Does it make you wonder why? And does it make you wonder if you are being told everything you need to know?

Nope.

Iv done my research and it was the best option for me.

"

That's your right to be incurious

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"There are certainly some sanctimonious jab receivers on here and even trying to force others through threatening no sex or meets.

I personally am not having them simply as they are rushed out experimental vaccines for a virus that has a 98% survival rate.

I am not against well-researched vaccines that are subject to clinical trials over the many years they usually are. I am just against THESE magical covid jabs.

I do not give a stuff if anyone blacklists my profile over this as quite frankly I would not want to meet such sanctimonious people in the first place

Moat Vaccines are actually made in advance and just need a tweak to defend against a different straind...this is why they can bring them our so fast. The only delay was testing which is why they only appeared 9 months after the lockdown."

If you believe anything what you are implying you honestly don't have a clue nor the risks involved and profit that someone will be making even though the loss of life which doesn't concern themselves it's all about the economy not human life where people can die drug trails at the end suppose to have minimum risks to long term risks which they would have some ideas of and this is always the case but never ever clearly put out their to avoid people not receiving the treatment it's not about being gullible but actions speak louder than words and those words never get mentioned the pure risks

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"I have been holding off commenting on this topic because I’ve experienced some pretty harsh reactions when foolishly telling people that I’m not vaccinated YET (Mrs speaking, Mr is double jabbed like a good boy don’t judge him!).

But I’ve got to. I need to know why I’m considered to be so selfish….

So far not one single person can apparently comprehend my reasoning.

My reasons are; 33% of the people in my family who have been jabbed have had either had life threatening blood clots or life changing strokes following.

So my view is _ased entirely on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and only this. It’s Based on the experience of emptying the home of a loved one knowing they’ll never go back there or walk or even take themselves to the toilet again.

Every single comment I’ve read/heard as to why I should just ‘stop worrying and get it’ the person making it speaks like they know 100% that what they are saying is fact.

Regardless of whether the data they’re looking at has come from a ‘reputable’ place, aren’t they still just stating what someone else has told them?

So far I know that 100% of my family members who had covid survived unscathed (thankfully) and 1/3 of the members of my family that have been vaccinated ended up in hospital. Why is that not good enough for me to make an informed decision? Why do I have to believe everyone else’s ‘facts’ that they read somewhere else?

Everyone tells me the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission but reduces severity or hospitalisation (which seems to be the objective and also the apparent outcome we’re seeing) so if that’s correct, Then who is my jab protecting? Surely it must be me? So why can I not make that choice? Why is my taking my chances with a 99% survival rate for my age group with Covid rather than taking a 67% chance of no serious vaccine effects selfish?

I wear my mask, I sanitise like a mofo, I socially distance and I do my lateral flow testing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do not believe Bill Gates is trying to kill me with ibuprofen. My jab was booked until all of the above bullshit happened. I’m not saying I’m not having it ever, I just don’t trust it yet.

Surely someone must see this as a rational viewpoint?

And what if we all thought like you and didn't get vaccinated. Where would we be then?

I do understand the point about those you know having clots but we need to know figures not just percentages. 33‰ sounds high but if that's just out of 3 people it's not really statistically viable is it?

Do you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods etc? All of these could contribute to the same experience you have had with clots and stroke. In fact without being Dr's and having consulted your loved ones medical records we can't really comment on the causation of their unfortunate and life changing events. I hope that they are doing well.

The vaccine reduces transmission. It doesn't stop it altogether so no, you are not just protecting yourself.

There are people who genuinely cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons so I see absolutely no reason why those who can won't get it.

The fact that you now have loved ones who could potentially be immunocompromised following their stroke is another argument for getting it.

Not judging you, you do what you want but this is your choice and if your choice restricts your access to ghibfs such as holidays and entry to places then you suffer that in silence. Don't cry discrimination. "

You obviously haven’t read all of my posts. I’ve given all of the information (except medical records obviously) I’m also not crying discrimination. I don’t give a monkeys if I never fly, go to the pub again. I’m simply defending my right to choose _ased on my own experience.

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Over 1 million have reported adverse reactions how many unreported. All researchable for the doubters on the governments yellow card reporting. Bit difficult to find.And not on BBC or sky.. The trial of this vaccine ends in 2023.dont take my word for it. Do your own research. "

Maybe you should do research, the yellow card scheme itself states that the reports are just that, reports. The majority are very mild symptoms such as headaches, fever and an aching arm, quite common with any vaccine. The yellow card scheme wasn't intended to be used as anti vax shite, it was intended to be used by the scientists and vaccine producers to keep an eye on trends of side effects so they can investigate any of concern.

Also, this trial til 2023 bullshit, the only people involved in vaccine trials are those that signed up for them, what they are doing now is safety monitoring (on those that signed up for the trials) which is very common in new medications/ drugs. So, another none story.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha” "

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching"

All you have to do is share the link for your claims, unless you read it on facebook?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do what’s best for you. If you want to wait then wait, you do not have to justify your choice to anyone. Good luck OP!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect some on Fab have shares in pharmaceutical companies, or are members of Parliament who indulge in a bit of swinging on the side

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"You do what’s best for you. If you want to wait then wait, you do not have to justify your choice to anyone. Good luck OP!"

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By *aseMan
over a year ago

Gourock

Aye nae bother...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how someone writes “ I’m not judging you “ then goes on to judge them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha” "

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant. "

She was obviously not serious about hoping people die

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

She was obviously not serious about hoping people die "

You have no idea if she was serious or not.

Either way it is rather unpleasant to ask not to be judged and then say you're going to tell people you hope they die!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people need to step away from the internet.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"Over 1 million have reported adverse reactions how many unreported. All researchable for the doubters on the governments yellow card reporting. Bit difficult to find.And not on BBC or sky.. The trial of this vaccine ends in 2023.dont take my word for it. Do your own research.

Maybe you should do research, the yellow card scheme itself states that the reports are just that, reports. The majority are very mild symptoms such as headaches, fever and an aching arm, quite common with any vaccine. The yellow card scheme wasn't intended to be used as anti vax shite, it was intended to be used by the scientists and vaccine producers to keep an eye on trends of side effects so they can investigate any of concern.

Also, this trial til 2023 bullshit, the only people involved in vaccine trials are those that signed up for them, what they are doing now is safety monitoring (on those that signed up for the trials) which is very common in new medications/ drugs. So, another none story. "

You're entirely free to think that. But an inquiring mind is always a good thing.

And why have both the BBC and NHS withdrawn their earlier claims? I find that interesting although you may not. That's fine

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching

All you have to do is share the link for your claims, unless you read it on facebook? "

You have to read more widely. I have already done so

Do you think that every time I read something relevant I should make a note of the link?

And not enter a chat thread without a sheet of written links?

Absurd

Incidentally, can you provide links to back up what you say?

See what I did there?

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant. "

Can you provide evidence for this claim, please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people need to step away from the internet."
And the BBC and Sky

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"Some people need to step away from the internet.And the BBC and Sky "

This!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

Can you provide evidence for this claim, please?"

Yep. Look at the NSH website. Says very clearly if you are under 40 you should be offered the Phizer or Moderna.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

Can you provide evidence for this claim, please?

Yep. Look at the NSH website. Says very clearly if you are under 40 you should be offered the Phizer or Moderna. "

Link? The NHS website is huge

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

Can you provide evidence for this claim, please?

Yep. Look at the NSH website. Says very clearly if you are under 40 you should be offered the Phizer or Moderna.

Link? The NHS website is huge"

I worry about the quality of your “further research” if you can’t navigate the NHS website haha

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"There are a lot of bad reactions to the vaccines. Both the NHS and the BBC have been challenged about their claims of no harm and have withdrawn their claims.

You will now be bullied and will be denied access to travel, pubs, restaurants etc. Stick to your guns

Neither have ever said "no harm"

Both the BBC and the NHS have said ' no harm' and have had to withdrawn their claims

When?

Read around the subject and you'll find it.

I've already done that reading and I'm not doing it all again just because you don't want to.

Can you direct me to medical studies, please, that show the drugs are safe? See what I did there?

I cannot find any information anywhere that says the BBC and NHS have had to issue retractions of the saying no harm caused I also notice you are now changing the narrative.

All so I have never said they are 100% safe! there are risks like they're is with taking every single medication none to man.

At least you accept they are not 100% safe. You're half way there.

Now keep on looking at what the BBC and NHS have claimed and withdrawn.

You don't have to. But it's your health...so keep researching

All you have to do is share the link for your claims, unless you read it on facebook?

You have to read more widely. I have already done so

Do you think that every time I read something relevant I should make a note of the link?

And not enter a chat thread without a sheet of written links?

Absurd

Incidentally, can you provide links to back up what you say?

See what I did there?"

You're the one making claims, it's up to you to prove what you say is true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

Can you provide evidence for this claim, please?

Yep. Look at the NSH website. Says very clearly if you are under 40 you should be offered the Phizer or Moderna.

Link? The NHS website is huge

I worry about the quality of your “further research” if you can’t navigate the NHS website haha "

Very well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

Can you provide evidence for this claim, please?

Yep. Look at the NSH website. Says very clearly if you are under 40 you should be offered the Phizer or Moderna.

Link? The NHS website is huge"

You are very rude because you could have said please!

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

She was obviously not serious about hoping people die

You have no idea if she was serious or not.

Either way it is rather unpleasant to ask not to be judged and then say you're going to tell people you hope they die!"

I was obviously not serious for goodness sake you’d have thought the mwhahahaha might have given that away.

I’ve been called all sorts of crap on this forum and I’m past giving flying hoot if you think I’m being unpleasant.

Notice you didn’t tell off those that called me an idiot or a liar for being unpleasant. You don’t like my view so you jump all over me.

Really past caring.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

Can you provide evidence for this claim, please?

Yep. Look at the NSH website. Says very clearly if you are under 40 you should be offered the Phizer or Moderna.

Link? The NHS website is huge

I worry about the quality of your “further research” if you can’t navigate the NHS website haha "

I could say the same about your navigation abilities...but I'm very interested in finding out what's going on. Not abuse of other people... that's how you reinforce prejudice instead of learning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can understand the curiosity to know what other people think & their reasoning, end of the day it's your choice but probably one of the best people to talk to is your own doctor.

Explain why you don't want the jab & your reasons or fears. It may be worth it just for a bit of peace of mind & no harm asking either. Your doctor will understand & won't have any issues speaking to you about it, well they shouldn't!

No one is going to force you & they certainly shouldn't judge you!

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By *ively888 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes


"Once again thanks to all for commenting.

I’ve decided that my new response to when I’m called selfish once someone finds out my vaccine status will no longer be to explain my personal situation (because apparently it matters not I should ignore all of that and get jabbed anyway) my new response will be:

“Yes yes I am totally selfish. I cannot wait for you all to piss of and die so I can have the planet to myself mwhahahahahahaha”

Hang on!

Most people have said they understand your situation.

You also said you could have the phizer but where told you couldn't choose.

You are under 40.

You would only be offered the phizer or moderna anyway.

You Don't have to justify your Decision but you choose to and now you're saying you hope people die that is rather unpleasant.

She was obviously not serious about hoping people die

You have no idea if she was serious or not.

Either way it is rather unpleasant to ask not to be judged and then say you're going to tell people you hope they die!"

Didn’t ask not to be judged. Everyone judges everyone else. It’s human nature and we simple humans cannot help ourselves.

I asked not to be called names and have “facts” that haven’t been confirmed as facts to be rammed down my throat as the reason I should take the risk just because YOU (by you I mean the collective) think it’s the right thing to do.

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