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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated?" the vaccines you talk about here do stop you getting the illness this one you still catch and spread covid I don't call it a vaccine it's just like a flu jab it can make people ill and lots of people getting bad side effects from it just like the flu jab. The health professionals can't even tell us how long it will give people immunity and how many jabs people will need and there is no long term data on it as its only about 7 months in to a mass trial | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? -------- the vaccines you talk about here do stop you getting the illness this one you still catch and spread covid I don't call it a vaccine it's just like a flu jab it can make people ill and lots of people getting bad side effects from it just like the flu jab. The health professionals can't even tell us how long it will give people immunity and how many jabs people will need and there is no long term data on it as its only about 7 months in to a mass trial " All vaccines have a limited success, and all basically work in the same way. The purpose of a vaccine is to teach your immune system what to do. It is completely irrelevant whether YOU call it a "vaccine" or not, it most certainly is one. In addition, the covid vaccines have been proven to reduce infection by 85% and transmission by 65%... so a vaccinated person is 93% less likely to become infected & then infect someone else. As for long-term data, the initial trials started around 16 months ago. So there is a substantial period of long term data. History has shown us that 99% of adverse effects from vaccines occur very soon after being jabbed, so the risk of long term effects is "statistically" low. The reason why the experts cannot tell us how long the vaccines protect us for is because: Test subjects are still protected, an indication of the longevity of the protection will only be available when the level of protection has sufficiently diminish... this is a positive thing. Cal | |||
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"As I said and showed in the other thread, it was not sneakily done, it wasn't rushed through, it's not affecting anyone's rights. It was public knowledge weeks ago. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/everyone-working-in-care-homes-to-be-fully-vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents " What you have quoted is a press release. The amendment with the draft of the legislation was presented to the commons yesterday, for a 90 minute debate 23 MP’s in the chamber (4 on the opposition side) The motion promised an impact statement - there wasn’t one Profound change has been made via secondary legislation - this isn’t right, and the lack of scrutiny and debate is worrying. | |||
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"As I said and showed in the other thread, it was not sneakily done, it wasn't rushed through, it's not affecting anyone's rights. It was public knowledge weeks ago. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/everyone-working-in-care-homes-to-be-fully-vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents What you have quoted is a press release. The amendment with the draft of the legislation was presented to the commons yesterday, for a 90 minute debate 23 MP’s in the chamber (4 on the opposition side) The motion promised an impact statement - there wasn’t one Profound change has been made via secondary legislation - this isn’t right, and the lack of scrutiny and debate is worrying. " Others including some prominent members of their own party have been rightly calling out this government and how it has operated, using the pandemic as a shield.. It's not democracy as we have a right to expect but it's how they've been and will do till parliament returns.. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated?the vaccines you talk about here do stop you getting the illness this one you still catch and spread covid I don't call it a vaccine it's just like a flu jab it can make people ill and lots of people getting bad side effects from it just like the flu jab. The health professionals can't even tell us how long it will give people immunity and how many jabs people will need and there is no long term data on it as its only about 7 months in to a mass trial " You do know that the vacinnes you are talking about also have an element of effectiveness to them. But they work so well due to the % coverage in the population. Also they have been improved over many years to improve that effectiveness. And most importantly the disease they are made to combat is a relatively stable disease and the vaccine prevents the disease from entering cells where it could mutate. This does not mean they don't mutate, but it makes it alot harder. Given another 20-30 years I'm sure the covid vaccines will improve their general effectiveness. But as a society we can have 20 years of lockdowns and +100k deaths a year whilst we wait for a more effective level of protection. Indeed if you waited that long the disease could keep mutating and perfecting itself. You will never get that silver bullet as all medicine comes with a failure rate and side effects. | |||
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"As I said and showed in the other thread, it was not sneakily done, it wasn't rushed through, it's not affecting anyone's rights. It was public knowledge weeks ago. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/everyone-working-in-care-homes-to-be-fully-vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents What you have quoted is a press release. The amendment with the draft of the legislation was presented to the commons yesterday, for a 90 minute debate 23 MP’s in the chamber (4 on the opposition side) The motion promised an impact statement - there wasn’t one Profound change has been made via secondary legislation - this isn’t right, and the lack of scrutiny and debate is worrying. " Yes, but to say it suddenly got pushed through yesterday with little information and only on the back of a 90 minute debate is inaccurate. | |||
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"As I said and showed in the other thread, it was not sneakily done, it wasn't rushed through, it's not affecting anyone's rights. It was public knowledge weeks ago. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/everyone-working-in-care-homes-to-be-fully-vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents What you have quoted is a press release. The amendment with the draft of the legislation was presented to the commons yesterday, for a 90 minute debate 23 MP’s in the chamber (4 on the opposition side) The motion promised an impact statement - there wasn’t one Profound change has been made via secondary legislation - this isn’t right, and the lack of scrutiny and debate is worrying. Yes, but to say it suddenly got pushed through yesterday with little information and only on the back of a 90 minute debate is inaccurate. " It's been tagged onto an existing Bill as an amendment - secondary legislation. The actual details of which were only laid out a few days ago by the Government. The only debate that has taken place was the 90 minutes it received yesterday, with 23 MPs. It's wholly inaccurate to suggest this legislation has received proper scrutiny - it hasn't - and given it's importance in what it does within society, will have far-reaching consequences in the coming months/years. Unless you have details of when the actual legislation has been scrutinised and debated by MPs? | |||
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections?" Any medical procedure that is mandatory is the most authoritarian/ communist style thing this country has done. It will not stop on care homes. People laughed when I said I will be mandatory and will begin in care homes Then hospitals, then flights, then cinemas ,football grounds etc. Very dark times ahead | |||
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections? Any medical procedure that is mandatory is the most authoritarian/ communist style thing this country has done. It will not stop on care homes. People laughed when I said I will be mandatory and will begin in care homes Then hospitals, then flights, then cinemas ,football grounds etc. Very dark times ahead " Indeed, and the scope of this amendment doesn't stop at frontline care workers. | |||
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections?" we have no rights because all the brainwashed sheep | |||
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections?we have no rights because all the brainwashed sheep " Yes, you have no rights  | |||
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"In a world where government corruption and incompetence are rife, it baffles me how many people are happy that these entities are imposing more rule's upon us Of course they say it's for the good of others. But these people couldn't care less when, pre 2019, people were dying left and right of the flu because they themselves felt they were not at risk. Classic 'I'm alright Jack'. Now they think their neck is on the chopping block they're all for lockdowns and medical intervention, not only for them but for others It's cowardice parading as compassion" Or, there are some of us that genuinely give a shit about other people and want them to feel safe in their own homes. It doesn't matter who is making this rule, that's what many of you seem to be stuck on, it matters that this rule protects the most vulnerable, those that rely on others to give them basic care, those that need their carers to have the highest level of protection they can. For the record, I've had the flu jab for years, not because I need it, I don't, but because I care for someone that could be affected badly if she caught the flu. Caring isn't cowardice. | |||
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"In a world where government corruption and incompetence are rife, it baffles me how many people are happy that these entities are imposing more rule's upon us Of course they say it's for the good of others. But these people couldn't care less when, pre 2019, people were dying left and right of the flu because they themselves felt they were not at risk. Classic 'I'm alright Jack'. Now they think their neck is on the chopping block they're all for lockdowns and medical intervention, not only for them but for others It's cowardice parading as compassion Or, there are some of us that genuinely give a shit about other people and want them to feel safe in their own homes. It doesn't matter who is making this rule, that's what many of you seem to be stuck on, it matters that this rule protects the most vulnerable, those that rely on others to give them basic care, those that need their carers to have the highest level of protection they can. For the record, I've had the flu jab for years, not because I need it, I don't, but because I care for someone that could be affected badly if she caught the flu. Caring isn't cowardice. "  | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated?the vaccines you talk about here do stop you getting the illness this one you still catch and spread covid I don't call it a vaccine it's just like a flu jab it can make people ill and lots of people getting bad side effects from it just like the flu jab. The health professionals can't even tell us how long it will give people immunity and how many jabs people will need and there is no long term data on it as its only about 7 months in to a mass trial " Shame there wasn't much that was factually correct in your post. The vaccines limit recipients' chances of getting infected and also reduce their infectivity to others. All treatments will have side effects but the overriding evidence is that these are generally very safe and amazingly effective, above the level of other common vaccines. Of course we can't yet say how long the immunity from each of them lasts - but each new day gives us an extra day of evidence. They seem to be supportive of the projections from research trial evidence. We can all be happy and proud that they are helping us to fulfill our needs for greater protection and relaxation of restrictions. | |||
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections?we have no rights because all the brainwashed sheep " There are not many restrictions in England and it's those of the woolly coat brigade who are appearing ever more that they won't resist the urge to bleat and follow each other around | |||
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"Worth adding it won't be made compulsory in Wales Not sure what the crack is in Scotland and N. I?? " That is an interesting point. | |||
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"Worth adding it won't be made compulsory in Wales Not sure what the crack is in Scotland and N. I?? That is an interesting point. " As far as I'm aware this legislation will apply to England only | |||
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"As I said and showed in the other thread, it was not sneakily done, it wasn't rushed through, it's not affecting anyone's rights. It was public knowledge weeks ago. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/everyone-working-in-care-homes-to-be-fully-vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents What you have quoted is a press release. The amendment with the draft of the legislation was presented to the commons yesterday, for a 90 minute debate 23 MP’s in the chamber (4 on the opposition side) The motion promised an impact statement - there wasn’t one Profound change has been made via secondary legislation - this isn’t right, and the lack of scrutiny and debate is worrying. " You're preaching to a room full woke covid fear mongers. They can't question the narrative for fear of being branded a "conspiracy nut job" by their fellow NPCs | |||
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". You're preaching to a room full woke covid fear mongers. They can't question the narrative for fear of being branded a "conspiracy nut job" by their fellow NPCs " This sounds like it was written by a chat bot whose only training set was the daily mail comments section. Thick as mince. | |||
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"As I said and showed in the other thread, it was not sneakily done, it wasn't rushed through, it's not affecting anyone's rights. It was public knowledge weeks ago. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/everyone-working-in-care-homes-to-be-fully-vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents What you have quoted is a press release. The amendment with the draft of the legislation was presented to the commons yesterday, for a 90 minute debate 23 MP’s in the chamber (4 on the opposition side) The motion promised an impact statement - there wasn’t one Profound change has been made via secondary legislation - this isn’t right, and the lack of scrutiny and debate is worrying. You're preaching to a room full woke covid fear mongers. They can't question the narrative for fear of being branded a "conspiracy nut job" by their fellow NPCs " Are you really calling us NPC's when you just spout out some random crap and add 'prove me wrong' in most of your posts? You're funny. | |||
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"In a world where government corruption and incompetence are rife, it baffles me how many people are happy that these entities are imposing more rule's upon us Of course they say it's for the good of others. But these people couldn't care less when, pre 2019, people were dying left and right of the flu because they themselves felt they were not at risk. Classic 'I'm alright Jack'. Now they think their neck is on the chopping block they're all for lockdowns and medical intervention, not only for them but for others It's cowardice parading as compassion" What a load of rubbish. | |||
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". You're preaching to a room full woke covid fear mongers. They can't question the narrative for fear of being branded a "conspiracy nut job" by their fellow NPCs This sounds like it was written by a chat bot whose only training set was the daily mail comments section. Thick as mince. " Hey my mince finds that comparison offensive  | |||
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"Interestingly the virus threads have exposed a side of people that is rarely seen in the standard forum threads. It may help people avoid those who cnat have civilised conversations. Normally it would take a few messages or even a meeting to work out that someone is a bit of a dick. Here at least they are openly declaring it. So maybe when the virus forum has had its day a new political debate forum should replace it as it will cut through the usual facade" Agreed. A very intolerant and authoritarian side has been revealed. They can't abide anyone who strays from the orthodoxy | |||
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"Interestingly the virus threads have exposed a side of people that is rarely seen in the standard forum threads. It may help people avoid those who cnat have civilised conversations. Normally it would take a few messages or even a meeting to work out that someone is a bit of a dick. Here at least they are openly declaring it. So maybe when the virus forum has had its day a new political debate forum should replace it as it will cut through the usual facade Agreed. A very intolerant and authoritarian side has been revealed. They can't abide anyone who strays from the orthodoxy" There are people on both sides doing it. | |||
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"Interestingly the virus threads have exposed a side of people that is rarely seen in the standard forum threads. It may help people avoid those who cnat have civilised conversations. Normally it would take a few messages or even a meeting to work out that someone is a bit of a dick. Here at least they are openly declaring it. So maybe when the virus forum has had its day a new political debate forum should replace it as it will cut through the usual facade" | |||
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"Interestingly the virus threads have exposed a side of people that is rarely seen in the standard forum threads. It may help people avoid those who cnat have civilised conversations. Normally it would take a few messages or even a meeting to work out that someone is a bit of a dick. Here at least they are openly declaring it. So maybe when the virus forum has had its day a new political debate forum should replace it as it will cut through the usual facade Agreed. A very intolerant and authoritarian side has been revealed. They can't abide anyone who strays from the orthodoxy" I have no issues with people having different views it's the way they express them that shines out. You can believe in law and order and rules without being an ass, equally you can believe in fewer rules and a more individualistic society without being offensive to those with different options | |||
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"I think anyone who doesn’t get vaccinated is an idiot (unless science tells them definitively that it would be more dangerous to have it than not). I’m not comfortable with idiots looking after our most vulnerable but we are where we are, and even idiots have human rights. I had to have vaccines when I took my job but I knew that and although it didn’t factor into my decision I was still aware of it. I’m very uncomfortable with telling someone that unless they are vaccinated they are getting the sack. Yes, they are fucking idiots who are putting other people’s lives at risk because they believe some tosser on Facebook over science but they still have rights." I understand your point, but the people being cared for and in a vulnerable situation also have ‘human rights’. Ultimately we cannot satisfy everyones rights - the vulnerable cannot choose where they get their care, so sadly for those working in care areas, if they don’t have a vaccination then they cannot work with the vulnerable. We can’t just say it breaches their rights if it raises the risks for others. | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that. "
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
I agree with this and feel it should be compulsory for residents, the visitors and staff obviously with provision made for those who for whatever Can't have it. "If they're making it compulsory for staff then anyone else having close contact with residents should be treated exactly the same otherwise it makes no sense | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
I agree with this and feel it should be compulsory for residents, the visitors and staff obviously with provision made for those who for whatever Can't have it. "Bloody hell I agree with Lorna 
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"TB is not unheard of now, around 1.4million people die from it every year, just because it’s not front page news, it doesn’t mean it’s not there " TB is 'returning' because of drug resistance, primarily. It is also extremely common in lesser developed countries, and in deprived areas of developed economies; and also amongst certain vulnerable groups. | |||
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"Some jobs require vaccines and I agree that this should be one of them, they are caring for the vulnerable after all. " Mandatory vaccination in this instance, and in others too, is a sound decision. This is not a global PLANDEMIC. | |||
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"Anyone here looked on the yellow card gov.uk site per chance ? And advocating forced jabbing .really who would be ok taking their child/ grandchild for it " Yep I’m aware of yellow card ... my grandchildren will not be jabbed | |||
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"Anyone here looked on the yellow card gov.uk site per chance ? And advocating forced jabbing .really who would be ok taking their child/ grandchild for it " What do you think the yellow card scheme data shows? | |||
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"Anyone here looked on the yellow card gov.uk site per chance ? And advocating forced jabbing .really who would be ok taking their child/ grandchild for it Yep I’m aware of yellow card ... my grandchildren will not be jabbed "That's up to their parents. | |||
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"Anyone here looked on the yellow card gov.uk site per chance ? And advocating forced jabbing .really who would be ok taking their child/ grandchild for it Yep I’m aware of yellow card ... my grandchildren will not be jabbed "That isn't down to you. | |||
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"Anyone here looked on the yellow card gov.uk site per chance ? And advocating forced jabbing .really who would be ok taking their child/ grandchild for it Yep I’m aware of yellow card ... my grandchildren will not be jabbed
That isn't down to you."No it’s my son and daughter in law... and they won’t be having it !!! | |||
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections?" No. Get the vaccine or get a job where your selfish ignorance wont kill people. It should be mandatory for all nhs staff too. Care operator licences should depend on 100% vaccinated employees. | |||
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections? No. Get the vaccine or get a job where your selfish ignorance wont kill people. It should be mandatory for all nhs staff too. Care operator licences should depend on 100% vaccinated employees." Aren’t you just a caring soul .... not .... my health is more important then some minimum wage job ....! | |||
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections? No. Get the vaccine or get a job where your selfish ignorance wont kill people. It should be mandatory for all nhs staff too. Care operator licences should depend on 100% vaccinated employees. Aren’t you just a caring soul .... not .... my health is more important then some minimum wage job ....!" And more important than the vaunable people who rely on those workers? | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible" That is globally Add 3.4 billion vaccine doses have been delivered into peoples arms globally. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? -------- the vaccines you talk about here do stop you getting the illness this one you still catch and spread covid I don't call it a vaccine it's just like a flu jab it can make people ill and lots of people getting bad side effects from it just like the flu jab. The health professionals can't even tell us how long it will give people immunity and how many jabs people will need and there is no long term data on it as its only about 7 months in to a mass trial All vaccines have a limited success, and all basically work in the same way. The purpose of a vaccine is to teach your immune system what to do. It is completely irrelevant whether YOU call it a "vaccine" or not, it most certainly is one. In addition, the covid vaccines have been proven to reduce infection by 85% and transmission by 65%... so a vaccinated person is 93% less likely to become infected & then infect someone else. As for long-term data, the initial trials started around 16 months ago. So there is a substantial period of long term data. History has shown us that 99% of adverse effects from vaccines occur very soon after being jabbed, so the risk of long term effects is "statistically" low. The reason why the experts cannot tell us how long the vaccines protect us for is because: Test subjects are still protected, an indication of the longevity of the protection will only be available when the level of protection has sufficiently diminish... this is a positive thing. Cal" You obviously haven't heard the views of the previous vice president of Pfizer Dr Michael Yeadon. He warns of the huge dangers of these mRNA injections which is a huge threat that could lead to mass depopulation. He refuses to take this injection and warns others not to also. Yes the ex Vice president of Pfizer says this. Think I'll listen to him rather than our lying media and lying politicians any day. | |||
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"I've noticed a lot of pro vaccine people are very aggressive in putting their opinion across. " As are the anti vaxxers. | |||
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"Will it be mandatory for infants ? " Not at the moment | |||
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"Will it be mandatory for infants ? Not at the moment " Its not mandatory for anyone. People have a choice. If their work place requires it then you still have a choice. | |||
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"I've noticed a lot of pro vaccine people are very aggressive in putting their opinion across. As are the anti vaxxers. " The full on ones are amusing though it has to be said. Fair enough believing some conspiracy theories but some people must think anything electrical is spying on them!! | |||
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"I've noticed a lot of pro vaccine people are very aggressive in putting their opinion across. As are the anti vaxxers. The full on ones are amusing though it has to be said. Fair enough believing some conspiracy theories but some people must think anything electrical is spying on them!! " Except their phones, which really are spying on them. | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible" Could you share a link to where you read that please? | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please?" You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? | |||
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"Will it be mandatory for infants ? Not at the moment Its not mandatory for anyone. People have a choice. If their work place requires it then you still have a choice. " The Amendement was voted on 13th and has passed. The details of the amendment can be viewed https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2021/9780348224993 | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please?" I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. | |||
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"I've noticed a lot of pro vaccine people are very aggressive in putting their opinion across. As are the anti vaxxers. The full on ones are amusing though it has to be said. Fair enough believing some conspiracy theories but some people must think anything electrical is spying on them!! " That is not a conspiracy my Alexa is definitely listening! | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. " You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? | |||
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"I've noticed a lot of pro vaccine people are very aggressive in putting their opinion across. As are the anti vaxxers. The full on ones are amusing though it has to be said. Fair enough believing some conspiracy theories but some people must think anything electrical is spying on them!! That is not a conspiracy my Alexa is definitely listening! "Think that was a bit of a bad analogy really as most electrical things probably are listening to them
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"I've noticed a lot of pro vaccine people are very aggressive in putting their opinion across. As are the anti vaxxers. The full on ones are amusing though it has to be said. Fair enough believing some conspiracy theories but some people must think anything electrical is spying on them!! That is not a conspiracy my Alexa is definitely listening!
Think that was a bit of a bad analogy really as most electrical things probably are listening to them
My mate got a cake out of his smart fridge the other day and it called him a greedy bastard!!"Ohh I need a fridge that calls me out. | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that?" Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. | |||
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"I've noticed a lot of pro vaccine people are very aggressive in putting their opinion across. As are the anti vaxxers. The full on ones are amusing though it has to be said. Fair enough believing some conspiracy theories but some people must think anything electrical is spying on them!! That is not a conspiracy my Alexa is definitely listening!
Think that was a bit of a bad analogy really as most electrical things probably are listening to them
My mate got a cake out of his smart fridge the other day and it called him a greedy bastard!!
Ohh I need a fridge that calls me out. "Just thinking how funny it would be...grab cake out of the fridge...shut door and fridge shouts 'oi put that back you greedy sod' | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. " I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. | |||
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"I've noticed a lot of pro vaccine people are very aggressive in putting their opinion across. As are the anti vaxxers. The full on ones are amusing though it has to be said. Fair enough believing some conspiracy theories but some people must think anything electrical is spying on them!! That is not a conspiracy my Alexa is definitely listening!
Think that was a bit of a bad analogy really as most electrical things probably are listening to them
My mate got a cake out of his smart fridge the other day and it called him a greedy bastard!!
Ohh I need a fridge that calls me out.
Just thinking how funny it would be...grab cake out of the fridge...shut door and fridge shouts 'oi put that back you greedy sod'"Well that's all I need my fridge judging me. | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. " Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read  | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read "The only thing I found was on the Who website if that helps. | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read "I can't remember the exact figure but the point is quite complex. It is: Among 85-year-olds, who are the vast majority of coronavirus deaths, there is a greater gain by risking the vaccine than by not taking it. Among 70-year-ilds it is also advantageous. Among those with serious comorbidities there is also a gain. As you go down the age range there is, at some stage, a cross-over point at which the vaccine is more of a risk than the illness. Among healthy children, hardly any of whom have died of the illness, the vaccine represents more of a risk to health than coronavirus | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read
I can't remember the exact figure but the point is quite complex.
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Among 85-year-olds, who are the vast majority of coronavirus deaths, there is a greater gain by risking the vaccine than by not taking it.
Among 70-year-ilds it is also advantageous.
Among those with serious comorbidities there is also a gain.
As you go down the age range there is, at some stage, a cross-over point at which the vaccine is more of a risk than the illness.
Among healthy children, hardly any of whom have died of the illness, the vaccine represents more of a risk to health than coronavirus"Citation needed. | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read
I can't remember the exact figure but the point is quite complex.
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Among 85-year-olds, who are the vast majority of coronavirus deaths, there is a greater gain by risking the vaccine than by not taking it.
Among 70-year-ilds it is also advantageous.
Among those with serious comorbidities there is also a gain.
As you go down the age range there is, at some stage, a cross-over point at which the vaccine is more of a risk than the illness.
Among healthy children, hardly any of whom have died of the illness, the vaccine represents more of a risk to health than coronavirus
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"Ah yes, asking you to provide evidence for your claims is a trick. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was actually the Fab website but it was actually a court of law all along. Silly me!  | |||
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" Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was actually the Fab website but it was actually a court of law all along. Silly me! "Nowt do to with law, just general principles of debate. So yes, silly you. This is like playing chess with a pigeon. | |||
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" Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was actually the Fab website but it was actually a court of law all along. Silly me!
Nowt do to with law, just general principles of debate. So yes, silly you.
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"A little unfair to discuss the mandatory vaccination of carers on a mask wearing thread - so I’ve moved it here. I’m concerned with mandatory vaccination for carers being voted through in the Commons this evening. Massive change for the country - all on the back of a 90 minute debate in an almost empty chamber. It’s concerning that something so fundamentally important involving aspects of medical ethics and human rights has been presented for a brief 90 minute debate, with very little information and at the last minute, resulting in a near empty chamber. The Legislation Scrutiny Committee had called for the vote on mandatory vaccines to be deferred as “scrutiny is impossible due to a lack of all practical detail, no impact assessment, no articulated justification, no response to human rights issues raised” I thought people cared about how the government of the day acts to uphold our rights and protections?" Just because the chamber was nearly empty no one was watching and listening the others would be on line watching. | |||
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". Citation needed I see we're at the shitting on the board and declaring victory stage of pigeon chess. How predictable. " I have said that risk of death decreases as you strip age and comorbidities out. You disagree. Can you provide evidence of that? Please do so without personal abuse | |||
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". Citation needed I see we're at the shitting on the board and declaring victory stage of pigeon chess. How predictable. I have said that risk of death decreases as you strip age and comorbidities out. You disagree. Can you provide evidence of that? Please do so without personal abuse" You're attempting to shift the burden of proof. That's not how this works, I'm afraid. You made several statements, you back them up. | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read
I can't remember the exact figure but the point is quite complex.
It is:
Among 85-year-olds, who are the vast majority of coronavirus deaths, there is a greater gain by risking the vaccine than by not taking it.
Among 70-year-ilds it is also advantageous.
Among those with serious comorbidities there is also a gain.
As you go down the age range there is, at some stage, a cross-over point at which the vaccine is more of a risk than the illness.
Among healthy children, hardly any of whom have died of the illness, the vaccine represents more of a risk to health than coronavirus
Citation needed. "Van Tamm was talking about this months ago at one of the daily briefings. That’s the reason they held off vaccinating children. It’s hardly a tin foil theory. | |||
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". Citation needed I see we're at the shitting on the board and declaring victory stage of pigeon chess. How predictable. I have said that risk of death decreases as you strip age and comorbidities out. You disagree. Can you provide evidence of that? Please do so without personal abuse You're attempting to shift the burden of proof. That's not how this works, I'm afraid. You made several statements, you back them up." Yawn | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read
I can't remember the exact figure but the point is quite complex.
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Among 85-year-olds, who are the vast majority of coronavirus deaths, there is a greater gain by risking the vaccine than by not taking it.
Among 70-year-ilds it is also advantageous.
Among those with serious comorbidities there is also a gain.
As you go down the age range there is, at some stage, a cross-over point at which the vaccine is more of a risk than the illness.
Among healthy children, hardly any of whom have died of the illness, the vaccine represents more of a risk to health than coronavirus"Again, I didn't ask you. That also wasn't the information I requested. | |||
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"Regardless of all the huffing and puffing going on here ,no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines ,due to its infancy that is an irrefutable fact .it’s like the vaxed know they’ve dropped a bollock and wanna make sure everyone ends up in the same boat as them ." It's not an "irrefutable fact", the delivery systems used to create these vaccines are well tested over many years (Often decades), the only component that is different is the "Identifying spike" that makes the vaccine Covid-19 specific. There is also move than a year of actual test data from the trials of these vaccines now, which is as much or more than most other new medications. The only reason why these vaccines we created & released so quickly, is because the funding came first. Usually when developing new drugs, there is a long process of making presentations & bidding for funding to allow the next phase of development & testing to go ahead... in the case of THESE vaccines, they didn't need to wait for accountants to decide that the "product would be profitable" before they could progress to the next stage. Cal | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read
I can't remember the exact figure but the point is quite complex.
It is:
Among 85-year-olds, who are the vast majority of coronavirus deaths, there is a greater gain by risking the vaccine than by not taking it.
Among 70-year-ilds it is also advantageous.
Among those with serious comorbidities there is also a gain.
As you go down the age range there is, at some stage, a cross-over point at which the vaccine is more of a risk than the illness.
Among healthy children, hardly any of whom have died of the illness, the vaccine represents more of a risk to health than coronavirus
Citation needed.
Van Tamm was talking about this months ago at one of the daily briefings. That’s the reason they held off vaccinating children.
It’s hardly a tin foil theory."The studies into vaccinating children have actually suggested that children are not having issues with side effects. In Israel earlier in the year, the rolled out a vaccination project of children with serious underlying conditions. The head of Israel’s vaccine taskforce, Boaz Lev, said, “We didn’t see any major side effects, and even minor [ones] are quite rare. This is encouraging.” Cal | |||
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"Regardless of all the huffing and puffing going on here ,no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines ,due to its infancy that is an irrefutable fact .it’s like the vaxed know they’ve dropped a bollock and wanna make sure everyone ends up in the same boat as them . It's not an "irrefutable fact", the delivery systems used to create these vaccines are well tested over many years (Often decades), the only component that is different is the "Identifying spike" that makes the vaccine Covid-19 specific. There is also move than a year of actual test data from the trials of these vaccines now, which is as much or more than most other new medications. The only reason why these vaccines we created & released so quickly, is because the funding came first. Usually when developing new drugs, there is a long process of making presentations & bidding for funding to allow the next phase of development & testing to go ahead... in the case of THESE vaccines, they didn't need to wait for accountants to decide that the "product would be profitable" before they could progress to the next stage. Cal" Former Pfizer Vice Michael Yeadon disagrees and says this mRNA injection roll out should be stopped Now and that it is a clear danger everyone including those who come into close proximity with those who've taken it. Many top scientists agree with him and as more people learn about this the larger the protests get. No way in a million years would any right minded parent inject this stuff into their children. | |||
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"Regardless of all the huffing and puffing going on here ,no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines ,due to its infancy that is an irrefutable fact .it’s like the vaxed know they’ve dropped a bollock and wanna make sure everyone ends up in the same boat as them . It's not an "irrefutable fact", the delivery systems used to create these vaccines are well tested over many years (Often decades), the only component that is different is the "Identifying spike" that makes the vaccine Covid-19 specific. There is also move than a year of actual test data from the trials of these vaccines now, which is as much or more than most other new medications. The only reason why these vaccines we created & released so quickly, is because the funding came first. Usually when developing new drugs, there is a long process of making presentations & bidding for funding to allow the next phase of development & testing to go ahead... in the case of THESE vaccines, they didn't need to wait for accountants to decide that the "product would be profitable" before they could progress to the next stage. Cal Former Pfizer Vice Michael Yeadon disagrees and says this mRNA injection roll out should be stopped Now and that it is a clear danger everyone including those who come into close proximity with those who've taken it. Many top scientists agree with him and as more people learn about this the larger the protests get. No way in a million years would any right minded parent inject this stuff into their children. " I would add to that Dr Robert Malone inventor of mRNA technology says exactly the same thing, however a of course now trusted communist behavioral scientist and politicians should..... Last year Johnson and Johnson the lead Pharma in the USA payed out 573 millions dollars in fines for the opioid crises they created in the USA, thousands of clinicians were involved. On all the US news channels , every head of them sits on the board of a Pharma company. It's like going into a restaurantand asking the waiter what's the food like? He's hardly going to say rubbish, go somewhere else....... | |||
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" I would add to that Dr Robert Malone inventor of mRNA technology says exactly the same thing, however a of course now trusted communist behavioral scientist and politicians should..... ......." Where to even begin? Malone didn't invent mRNA vaccines. He was first author on a paper published in 1989 that introduced lipd-encapsulated RNA into a cell line. The cell line then produced more luciferase than what would be expected. His research output following this paper seems to be limited to several secondary author papers and slide into anti-vaxxer nonsense. He's not someone you'd want to pin a credible argument on. Here's the paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ It takes 5 minutes to fact check this stuff but of course you'd rather copy pasta from dubious sources. | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read
I can't remember the exact figure but the point is quite complex.
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Among 85-year-olds, who are the vast majority of coronavirus deaths, there is a greater gain by risking the vaccine than by not taking it.
Among 70-year-ilds it is also advantageous.
Among those with serious comorbidities there is also a gain.
As you go down the age range there is, at some stage, a cross-over point at which the vaccine is more of a risk than the illness.
Among healthy children, hardly any of whom have died of the illness, the vaccine represents more of a risk to health than coronavirus
Again, I didn't ask you. That also wasn't the information I requested. "This is a public discussion forum | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
"this is the policy where we work. If it's a fully vaccinated person now, they can meet more face to face but we are still encouraging it to be outside. If not vaccinated then we use the hub for visits. | |||
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" I would add to that Dr Robert Malone inventor of mRNA technology says exactly the same thing, however a of course now trusted communist behavioral scientist and politicians should..... ....... Where to even begin? Malone didn't invent mRNA vaccines. He was first author on a paper published in 1989 that introduced lipd-encapsulated RNA into a cell line. The cell line then produced more luciferase than what would be expected. His research output following this paper seems to be limited to several secondary author papers and slide into anti-vaxxer nonsense. He's not someone you'd want to pin a credible argument on. Here's the paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ It takes 5 minutes to fact check this stuff but of course you'd rather copy pasta from dubious sources. "In fairness I never stated he'd invented vaccines, not the first to discover it. You state 5 minutes to research it, it would take seconds to read exactly what I wrote. I'll put some rolling eyes to make my case sound better | |||
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"Yeadon is fucking bonkers. He's truly departed from any credibility he might've had. If you're going to fanboi to him, you might as well go the full Icke." Yep just read up on him and basically he is pushing lots of false information. E.g. If you are symptom free you can't transmit the virus. This is so obviously incorrect and yet some people will follow it. | |||
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" In fairness I never stated he'd invented vaccines, not the first to discover it. You state 5 minutes to research it, it would take seconds to read exactly what I wrote. I'll put some rolling eyes to make my case sound better "You didn't but it's important to clarify that mRNA technology is only a part of the vaccination strategy. Roll your eyes all you like, you copy pasta'd that about Malone in an attempt to give some authority to the anti-vax "argument". Much in the same way people mention Mullis and Yeadon. | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
this is the policy where we work. If it's a fully vaccinated person now, they can meet more face to face but we are still encouraging it to be outside. If not vaccinated then we use the hub for visits. "That's interesting as there is provision for non-vaccinated persons to visit. The key aspect here however is with the legislation mandating the vaccination for temporary service persons who may be required to undertake work in the care setting. In other words it's not only the front line care worker that is impacted by this legislation. | |||
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"What about those 27000 that died from the vaccine I think this would also get brought up in the house so it's impossible Could you share a link to where you read that please? You know they are safe, do you? Could you provide a link to evidence for that, please? I havent made any claims here so I have nothing I need to back up with evidence. You believe it's safe? Can you provide evidence of that? Can you provide evidence you aren't just trying to start an argument? I asked someone else for a link, not you, I didn't make any other comment about his post, I simply asked for a link. I want to read the article/post where it said that there have been 27000 deaths from the vaccine. I did look at this and does seem about right but that is globally and compared to 3.something billion doses of vaccine given. Yeah, I literally just wanted to read whatever the guy had read
I can't remember the exact figure but the point is quite complex.
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Among 85-year-olds, who are the vast majority of coronavirus deaths, there is a greater gain by risking the vaccine than by not taking it.
Among 70-year-ilds it is also advantageous.
Among those with serious comorbidities there is also a gain.
As you go down the age range there is, at some stage, a cross-over point at which the vaccine is more of a risk than the illness.
Among healthy children, hardly any of whom have died of the illness, the vaccine represents more of a risk to health than coronavirus
Again, I didn't ask you. That also wasn't the information I requested.
This is a public discussion forum"Yes, it isn't a forum for you to put words in my mouth and harass me. | |||
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"We’ve no issue with mandatory vaccines, especially for health workers. Health workers already need their hepatitis vaccines compulsory, so why not this too?" Have been for years too... flu jabs, whilst not mandatory, are heavily pushed, expected and incentivised too. People who didn’t work in health care just didn’t mind then cos it didn’t affect them lol. Now they are worried everyone might need to have it to do certain things they are bothered lol | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
this is the policy where we work. If it's a fully vaccinated person now, they can meet more face to face but we are still encouraging it to be outside. If not vaccinated then we use the hub for visits.
That's interesting as there is provision for non-vaccinated persons to visit.
The key aspect here however is with the legislation mandating the vaccination for temporary service persons who may be required to undertake work in the care setting.
In other words it's not only the front line care worker that is impacted by this legislation."the non vaccinated visitors are in the hub. Which has no physical contact.. it's gor a microphone on each side and a screen between x | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. " Very interesting legal point and I think your suspicions are correct | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
this is the policy where we work. If it's a fully vaccinated person now, they can meet more face to face but we are still encouraging it to be outside. If not vaccinated then we use the hub for visits.
That's interesting as there is provision for non-vaccinated persons to visit.
The key aspect here however is with the legislation mandating the vaccination for temporary service persons who may be required to undertake work in the care setting.
In other words it's not only the front line care worker that is impacted by this legislation. the non vaccinated visitors are in the hub. Which has no physical contact.. it's gor a microphone on each side and a screen between x"Yes, sure and that works great for a relative or that type of visit. What the legislation enforces however is a requirement for anyone who enters the care environment, for example, a plumber to fix a leaking pipe, to be vaccinated... | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. " As 1% of the population die every year, it is entirely possible it wasn’t The vaccine that caused deaths - Covid caused that number to grow by 20%. The vaccine will hopefully reduce these excess deaths, but it won’t stop all deaths. | |||
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"This. Everyone taking about it's a good idea to jab carers, efficacy etc. are missing the point. The bottom line is the state will legislate in a way that rides over the a subject's right to decide what happens to their body. On a site like this, where that principle is held very high indeed (rightly so in my opinion) I would have thought laws infringing on body privacy would be less welcomed. Be clear, the state have no right to dictate in this area. People in some jobs may be required some jabs; that didn't need legislation. If you really don't want to meet any given requirement you are free to leave. Legislation like this is the thin end of a creeping wedge. First they came for the carers etc. " Really? Really? Really? You do know that last sentence is famous for describing how the nazis took away the lives of people in world war 2. I can't believe anyone would equate the need for care workers to be vaccinated alongside the mass murder of Jews in world war 2? Bringing it back to a more sensible level, no one will be forcing careworkers to do anything to their bodies. The choice is still theirs have the jab or don't. It's the consequence that is out of their hand not the choice. | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
this is the policy where we work. If it's a fully vaccinated person now, they can meet more face to face but we are still encouraging it to be outside. If not vaccinated then we use the hub for visits.
That's interesting as there is provision for non-vaccinated persons to visit.
The key aspect here however is with the legislation mandating the vaccination for temporary service persons who may be required to undertake work in the care setting.
In other words it's not only the front line care worker that is impacted by this legislation. the non vaccinated visitors are in the hub. Which has no physical contact.. it's gor a microphone on each side and a screen between x
Yes, sure and that works great for a relative or that type of visit.
What the legislation enforces however is a requirement for anyone who enters the care environment, for example, a plumber to fix a leaking pipe, to be vaccinated...
"Outside companies don’t tend to actually have any patient contact but the contracts will just go to companies who are happy to prove they are vaccinated. Just like now with CRB checks type thing I presume x | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that.
If England are making it compulsory for care home staff then they should also make it a condition for unrestricted visits, otherwise the visitors should be prepared to continue with distanced visits with masks should they opt not to be vaccinated
this is the policy where we work. If it's a fully vaccinated person now, they can meet more face to face but we are still encouraging it to be outside. If not vaccinated then we use the hub for visits.
That's interesting as there is provision for non-vaccinated persons to visit.
The key aspect here however is with the legislation mandating the vaccination for temporary service persons who may be required to undertake work in the care setting.
In other words it's not only the front line care worker that is impacted by this legislation. the non vaccinated visitors are in the hub. Which has no physical contact.. it's gor a microphone on each side and a screen between x
Yes, sure and that works great for a relative or that type of visit.
What the legislation enforces however is a requirement for anyone who enters the care environment, for example, a plumber to fix a leaking pipe, to be vaccinated...
Outside companies don’t tend to actually have any patient contact but the contracts will just go to companies who are happy to prove they are vaccinated.
Just like now with CRB checks type thing I presume x"Yes... but this isn't just about whether the person entering the care setting will be required or not to have contact with the resident/patient. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. " No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. " Yes because it so easy to leave the Occupation you have worked in a your adult life and retrain for something else with no income | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. " If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. " Surely anything to reduce transmission is a good thing? | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. Yes because it so easy to leave the Occupation you have worked in a your adult life and retrain for something else with no income "Have the vaccine then. | |||
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"I work in a care home and yes I have had my vaccine but no I don't believe it should be mandatory for people to get it. While most of us did it get anyhow .What I find contradictory is people who don't work in care homes and haven't had the vaccine and won't have it who think we all should have it to work in care have no issue at all with but walking into a care home to visit their relatives. This is the biggest risk to the people in care homes but somehow they can't see that. " A good friend of mine is a clinical service manager in a Care Home. 17 of 54 staff are still refusing to take the vaccination. They have crunched the numbers, and can run for a while on bank staff, but they are now putting contingency plans in place which also include shutting the home, displacing 60odd residents. They can’t be the only care home with this issue. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. " You are far less likely to pass the virus on if you're vaccinated, what you seem to be forgetting is that the clients in care homes live there, it's their home, they have the right to be cared for by people that are much less likely to give them a disease that could kill them, especially in their own homes. | |||
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"This. Everyone taking about it's a good idea to jab carers, efficacy etc. are missing the point. The bottom line is the state will legislate in a way that rides over the a subject's right to decide what happens to their body. On a site like this, where that principle is held very high indeed (rightly so in my opinion) I would have thought laws infringing on body privacy would be less welcomed. Be clear, the state have no right to dictate in this area. People in some jobs may be required some jabs; that didn't need legislation. If you really don't want to meet any given requirement you are free to leave. Legislation like this is the thin end of a creeping wedge. First they came for the carers etc. Really? Really? Really? You do know that last sentence is famous for describing how the nazis took away the lives of people in world war 2. I can't believe anyone would equate the need for care workers to be vaccinated alongside the mass murder of Jews in world war 2? Bringing it back to a more sensible level, no one will be forcing careworkers to do anything to their bodies. The choice is still theirs have the jab or don't. It's the consequence that is out of their hand not the choice. " Yes of course I know the history of that last sentence, obviously I'm not equating this to a holocaust. It wasn't wholly serious.. This is the Internet.. The big thing, for me, is that for the first time ever the state may enshrine in law that a medical procedure is mandatory. However well meaning or correct that proceedure may be, the law should be nowhere near it. That's a massive step in the wrong direction for civil liberties and individual freedom. I see no reason why a law is necessary. Just include it in the conditions of employment. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. You are far less likely to pass the virus on if you're vaccinated, what you seem to be forgetting is that the clients in care homes live there, it's their home, they have the right to be cared for by people that are much less likely to give them a disease that could kill them, especially in their own homes. " You should tell the NHS to stop sending people to those homes with covid then. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. You are far less likely to pass the virus on if you're vaccinated, what you seem to be forgetting is that the clients in care homes live there, it's their home, they have the right to be cared for by people that are much less likely to give them a disease that could kill them, especially in their own homes. You should tell the NHS to stop sending people to those homes with covid then." Ok, I'll get on that right away | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. You are far less likely to pass the virus on if you're vaccinated, what you seem to be forgetting is that the clients in care homes live there, it's their home, they have the right to be cared for by people that are much less likely to give them a disease that could kill them, especially in their own homes. You should tell the NHS to stop sending people to those homes with covid then. Ok, I'll get on that right away "They have killed 42 so far in the home that I work in. All from 3 patients released into the home from the NHS. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. You are far less likely to pass the virus on if you're vaccinated, what you seem to be forgetting is that the clients in care homes live there, it's their home, they have the right to be cared for by people that are much less likely to give them a disease that could kill them, especially in their own homes. You should tell the NHS to stop sending people to those homes with covid then. Ok, I'll get on that right away
They have killed 42 so far in the home that I work in.
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. " We rarely accept just 1 practice as the total solution to a complex, serious problem. We didn't just accept toughened windscreens as justification to ignore all road and vehicle safety issues, for example. Our main vaccines for common infections are not 100% effective, with all people, all of the time. The Covid ones are better than those against other conditions. Prevention is better than cure, so if we can use easy behavioural changes, like social distancing, mask wearing, having extensive ventilation indoors etc, we can get closer to 100% prevention, in conjunction with the vaccines. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. We rarely accept just 1 practice as the total solution to a complex, serious problem. We didn't just accept toughened windscreens as justification to ignore all road and vehicle safety issues, for example. Our main vaccines for common infections are not 100% effective, with all people, all of the time. The Covid ones are better than those against other conditions. Prevention is better than cure, so if we can use easy behavioural changes, like social distancing, mask wearing, having extensive ventilation indoors etc, we can get closer to 100% prevention, in conjunction with the vaccines. " You have no understanding of the human condition. We will not accept social distancing, mask wearing or indefinite lockdown. | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. We rarely accept just 1 practice as the total solution to a complex, serious problem. We didn't just accept toughened windscreens as justification to ignore all road and vehicle safety issues, for example. Our main vaccines for common infections are not 100% effective, with all people, all of the time. The Covid ones are better than those against other conditions. Prevention is better than cure, so if we can use easy behavioural changes, like social distancing, mask wearing, having extensive ventilation indoors etc, we can get closer to 100% prevention, in conjunction with the vaccines. You have no understanding of the human condition. We will not accept social distancing, mask wearing or indefinite lockdown. " …who is this ‘we’ you speak of? | |||
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"I've had my First dose of the vaccine, but sadly some people have died. So who's accountable for lives lost due to this vaccination.Some have had it due to pressure from the public and work places. If the law of the land applies as it should be. Could it be assisted suicide or voluntary manslaughter. No. They have a choice, have the vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you work with or work in an area where vaccination isn't mandatory. If the vulnerable have had the vaccine and we can still transmit the virus even after having the vaccine . What's the importance of face masks,gloves, tests and hand sanitizers. What's the fuss about workers having and not having the vaccine. We rarely accept just 1 practice as the total solution to a complex, serious problem. We didn't just accept toughened windscreens as justification to ignore all road and vehicle safety issues, for example. Our main vaccines for common infections are not 100% effective, with all people, all of the time. The Covid ones are better than those against other conditions. Prevention is better than cure, so if we can use easy behavioural changes, like social distancing, mask wearing, having extensive ventilation indoors etc, we can get closer to 100% prevention, in conjunction with the vaccines. You have no understanding of the human condition. We will not accept social distancing, mask wearing or indefinite lockdown. …who is this ‘we’ you speak of? " Certainly not us | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? -------- the vaccines you talk about here do stop you getting the illness this one you still catch and spread covid I don't call it a vaccine it's just like a flu jab it can make people ill and lots of people getting bad side effects from it just like the flu jab. The health professionals can't even tell us how long it will give people immunity and how many jabs people will need and there is no long term data on it as its only about 7 months in to a mass trial All vaccines have a limited success, and all basically work in the same way. The purpose of a vaccine is to teach your immune system what to do. It is completely irrelevant whether YOU call it a "vaccine" or not, it most certainly is one. In addition, the covid vaccines have been proven to reduce infection by 85% and transmission by 65%... so a vaccinated person is 93% less likely to become infected & then infect someone else. As for long-term data, the initial trials started around 16 months ago. So there is a substantial period of long term data. History has shown us that 99% of adverse effects from vaccines occur very soon after being jabbed, so the risk of long term effects is "statistically" low. The reason why the experts cannot tell us how long the vaccines protect us for is because: Test subjects are still protected, an indication of the longevity of the protection will only be available when the level of protection has sufficiently diminish... this is a positive thing. Cal You obviously haven't heard the views of the previous vice president of Pfizer Dr Michael Yeadon. He warns of the huge dangers of these mRNA injections which is a huge threat that could lead to mass depopulation. He refuses to take this injection and warns others not to also. Yes the ex Vice president of Pfizer says this. Think I'll listen to him rather than our lying media and lying politicians any day. " Dr Yeadons claims have been totally debunked by a broad range of studies and the consenus is clear - vaccines work, are overwhelmingly safe, save lives, and reduce the spread whilst being extremely effective against all new known variants so far | |||
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"Some jobs require vaccines and I agree that this should be one of them, they are caring for the vulnerable after all. " Who are double jabbed | |||
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"Some jobs require vaccines and I agree that this should be one of them, they are caring for the vulnerable after all. Who are double jabbed " Very good point | |||
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"Some jobs require vaccines and I agree that this should be one of them, they are caring for the vulnerable after all. Who are double jabbed " I honestly can't believe there are still people that have this point of view, you need to learn how vaccines work and their purpose. | |||
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"Some jobs require vaccines and I agree that this should be one of them, they are caring for the vulnerable after all. Who are double jabbed " Vaccine effectiveness against the delta variant is 73%/Pfizer and 60%/AZ. Couple that with the known reduction in naive T cells and hence a much poorer immune response, in the elderly, caused mainly by thymic involution. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated?" This new still in trials! Never been used on humans Killed or sterilised the animals they have tested Mrna is not a vaccine Why give it to our kids? The pcr test that we use are all made in China Grapes strawberries apples juice all have COVID if you try in and lots more give a positive reading AND WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN A COUNTRY SORRY THE WORLD WITH THIS TEST ? | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? This new still in trials! Never been used on humans Killed or sterilised the animals they have tested Mrna is not a vaccine Why give it to our kids? The pcr test that we use are all made in China Grapes strawberries apples juice all have COVID if you try in and lots more give a positive reading AND WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN A COUNTRY SORRY THE WORLD WITH THIS TEST ? " It's amazing that people still keep on churning out the same ill informed drivel. Fruit does not have covid. The vaccine has been well tested. Of course it's been used on humans... unless I'm an Alien. Animals used for drugs tests are always killed & analysed. This is normal practice. Everything is made in China... they're labour is really cheap. They currently are not giving jabs to kids, but they have been proven both safe and effective. People really should learn that Facebook is not a reliable source of research. Cal | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? -------- the vaccines you talk about here do stop you getting the illness this one you still catch and spread covid I don't call it a vaccine it's just like a flu jab it can make people ill and lots of people getting bad side effects from it just like the flu jab. The health professionals can't even tell us how long it will give people immunity and how many jabs people will need and there is no long term data on it as its only about 7 months in to a mass trial All vaccines have a limited success, and all basically work in the same way. The purpose of a vaccine is to teach your immune system what to do. It is completely irrelevant whether YOU call it a "vaccine" or not, it most certainly is one. In addition, the covid vaccines have been proven to reduce infection by 85% and transmission by 65%... so a vaccinated person is 93% less likely to become infected & then infect someone else. As for long-term data, the initial trials started around 16 months ago. So there is a substantial period of long term data. History has shown us that 99% of adverse effects from vaccines occur very soon after being jabbed, so the risk of long term effects is "statistically" low. The reason why the experts cannot tell us how long the vaccines protect us for is because: Test subjects are still protected, an indication of the longevity of the protection will only be available when the level of protection has sufficiently diminish... this is a positive thing. Cal" How many people have died due too MRNA Has it killed more test subjects than any other Trail drug ? It is not a vaccine as we know a vaccine This is new never been used on humans before | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? This new still in trials! Never been used on humans Killed or sterilised the animals they have tested Mrna is not a vaccine Why give it to our kids? The pcr test that we use are all made in China Grapes strawberries apples juice all have COVID if you try in and lots more give a positive reading AND WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN A COUNTRY SORRY THE WORLD WITH THIS TEST ? " All this is just crap that you've got from social media, it's not even remotely true and it is totally irresponsible and frankly, disgusting, that you would try to spread such nonsense. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? -------- the vaccines you talk about here do stop you getting the illness this one you still catch and spread covid I don't call it a vaccine it's just like a flu jab it can make people ill and lots of people getting bad side effects from it just like the flu jab. The health professionals can't even tell us how long it will give people immunity and how many jabs people will need and there is no long term data on it as its only about 7 months in to a mass trial All vaccines have a limited success, and all basically work in the same way. The purpose of a vaccine is to teach your immune system what to do. It is completely irrelevant whether YOU call it a "vaccine" or not, it most certainly is one. In addition, the covid vaccines have been proven to reduce infection by 85% and transmission by 65%... so a vaccinated person is 93% less likely to become infected & then infect someone else. As for long-term data, the initial trials started around 16 months ago. So there is a substantial period of long term data. History has shown us that 99% of adverse effects from vaccines occur very soon after being jabbed, so the risk of long term effects is "statistically" low. The reason why the experts cannot tell us how long the vaccines protect us for is because: Test subjects are still protected, an indication of the longevity of the protection will only be available when the level of protection has sufficiently diminish... this is a positive thing. Cal How many people have died due too MRNA Has it killed more test subjects than any other Trail drug ? It is not a vaccine as we know a vaccine This is new never been used on humans before " Billions of people around the world have had the vaccines, but yeah, never been used on humans before. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated?" How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!!" Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. " Dear lord That still leaves 35% | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. Dear lord That still leaves 35%" Your point? It's better than 0 protection. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. Dear lord That still leaves 35%" Do you drive on the correct side of the road? That doesn't give 100% protection from a car accident but it certainly helps. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. Dear lord That still leaves 35% Your point? It's better than 0 protection." True, but it doesn't protect everyone. I'm double jabbed, before you start on me being one of those anti vaxers tripe. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. Dear lord That still leaves 35% Your point? It's better than 0 protection. True, but it doesn't protect everyone. I'm double jabbed, before you start on me being one of those anti vaxers tripe." I don't understand what point you're trying to make, nobody has said it protects everyone but reducing transmission by 65% is far better than no reduction at all. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. Dear lord That still leaves 35% Your point? It's better than 0 protection. True, but it doesn't protect everyone. I'm double jabbed, before you start on me being one of those anti vaxers tripe. I don't understand what point you're trying to make, nobody has said it protects everyone but reducing transmission by 65% is far better than no reduction at all. " My point is it doesn't protect everyone. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. Dear lord That still leaves 35% Your point? It's better than 0 protection. True, but it doesn't protect everyone. I'm double jabbed, before you start on me being one of those anti vaxers tripe. I don't understand what point you're trying to make, nobody has said it protects everyone but reducing transmission by 65% is far better than no reduction at all. My point is it doesn't protect everyone." But nobody said it does. | |||
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"I sometimes feel like I've woken up in a country full of idiots. The vaccines save lives. Not only is taking a vaccine protecting you, it protects others. People who work for the vaccine manufacturers have had the jab, so have healthcare professionals, from nurses and GPs to senior medical staff. I had a BCG jab when I was 13, didn't have a choice. TB is almost unheard of now. Same as the polio vaccine. When I go abroad, I have you check what vaccines I need. It's not a new thing! So why the resistance to being vaccinated? How does it protect others? Even if you're vaccinated you could still be a carrier!! Dear lord. If you are 65% less likely to pass on the virus after being vaccinated, you are helping protect others. Dear lord That still leaves 35% Your point? It's better than 0 protection. True, but it doesn't protect everyone. I'm double jabbed, before you start on me being one of those anti vaxers tripe. I don't understand what point you're trying to make, nobody has said it protects everyone but reducing transmission by 65% is far better than no reduction at all. My point is it doesn't protect everyone." If you are "double jabbed" the you are 91% less likely to infect others... this is because you are 85% less likely to get actively infected, then 65% less likely to pass it on (85% from 100 leaves 15, 65% of 15 is 9) So it protects most people, especially if everyone is vaccinated. Cal | |||
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