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"Maybe it will be a good test regarding infection rates? 60,000 at Wembley Stadium might give us an indication of what to expect when restrictions ease?" Didn't over 2000 Scots test positive after the their match with England, only 400 of them where from that stadium though. | |||
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"Maybe it will be a good test regarding infection rates? 60,000 at Wembley Stadium might give us an indication of what to expect when restrictions ease? Didn't over 2000 Scots test positive after the their match with England, only 400 of them where from that stadium though." A large number of (ticketless) Scots travelled to London and partied in the streets and in Hyde Park though | |||
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"Maybe it will be a good test regarding infection rates? 60,000 at Wembley Stadium might give us an indication of what to expect when restrictions ease?" I see this being a huge super spreader event. Hardly anyone I saw today had respect for infection control. Also heard fans without tickets had gained access to the stadium (so not tested) | |||
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"19th July will be a super spreader event you really think most people going to stict with social distance etc get used to it quick it the new normal " The new normal!?! How about calling it back to normal, theres nothing normal about the last 16 months. Roll on 19th July | |||
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"19th July will be a super spreader event you really think most people going to stict with social distance etc get used to it quick it the new normal The new normal!?! How about calling it back to normal, theres nothing normal about the last 16 months. Roll on 19th July" Yes Freedom day is now just a week away can’t wait | |||
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"So many happy people in thread  "I think it's not that simple, some are worried as they will be or have loved ones who are vulnerable and see this grand opening as something to be concerned about.. The feel good clichés put out by the government are already being amended and what we need is clarity.. | |||
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"And the thousands and thousands cramming the streets in and around wembley? Anyone seen the footage of the streets and all the rubbish? Fucking disgrace animals, fucking animals." That tainted it for me before a ball was even kicked. It is a total embarrassment | |||
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"And the thousands and thousands cramming the streets in and around wembley? Anyone seen the footage of the streets and all the rubbish? Fucking disgrace animals, fucking animals. That tainted it for me before a ball was even kicked. It is a total embarrassment" Ditto, along with the idiots who broke in.. Wasn't a good look nor a ringing endorsement for security given Boris wants to bid for world cup etc.. | |||
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"19th July will be a super spreader event you really think most people going to stict with social distance etc get used to it quick it the new normal The new normal!?! How about calling it back to normal, theres nothing normal about the last 16 months. Roll on 19th July" Please wear masks when in public venues. The virus is an airborne infection | |||
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"For workers in retail, hospitality and public transport it's a nightmare scenario they don't deserve to be subjected to.. " That's the issue, we just need people to actually care about other peoples health. At the beginning of all this mess it was like that , now some people don't seem to care , it is really sad | |||
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"Wait for about a quarter of a million infections being reported in 3 or 4 days. " How do you know this | |||
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"Thousands at Wembley Thousands at Fanzones Thousands at pubs. Only the players are wearing masks. Sunday no masks Monday morning return of the mask... Coronavirus confusion " What about the tennis  | |||
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"It is like if they have forgotten about covid, as about 60000 fans had no mask on." No masks as it was a test event. | |||
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"Inside Wembley you didn't have to wear a mask as it was a test event and you had to have a negative test on the day to get (Barring those that broke in) my mate was supposed to go but had a positive test on Sunday morning. " I know someone who went, you only had to scan the QR on the test theb answer a few questions. You could easily lie or just not do it at all. | |||
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"And the thousands and thousands cramming the streets in and around wembley? Anyone seen the footage of the streets and all the rubbish? Fucking disgrace animals, fucking animals. That tainted it for me before a ball was even kicked. It is a total embarrassment Ditto, along with the idiots who broke in.. Wasn't a good look nor a ringing endorsement for security given Boris wants to bid for world cup etc.." Yet we hosted the Olympics and it was absolutely fabulous. Show's the difference between football fans and genuine sports fan's. | |||
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"And the thousands and thousands cramming the streets in and around wembley? Anyone seen the footage of the streets and all the rubbish? Fucking disgrace animals, fucking animals. That tainted it for me before a ball was even kicked. It is a total embarrassment Ditto, along with the idiots who broke in.. Wasn't a good look nor a ringing endorsement for security given Boris wants to bid for world cup etc.. Yet we hosted the Olympics and it was absolutely fabulous. Show's the difference between football fans and genuine sports fan's." I would agree but add 'some' in front of football fans, the vast majority throughout the tournament have been exemplary..  | |||
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"For workers in retail, hospitality and public transport it's a nightmare scenario they don't deserve to be subjected to.. That's the issue, we just need people to actually care about other peoples health. At the beginning of all this mess it was like that , now some people don't seem to care , it is really sad" Tbh I can well see some unionised workplace's taking action if their management do not actively set protocols to protect staff health.. | |||
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"19th July will be a super spreader event you really think most people going to stict with social distance etc get used to it quick it the new normal The new normal!?! How about calling it back to normal, theres nothing normal about the last 16 months. Roll on 19th July Yes Freedom day is now just a week away can’t wait" You mean Anxiety day don't you because that's what it will be. Not hi g to do about freedom at all. | |||
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"Wait for about a quarter of a million infections being reported in 3 or 4 days. How do you know this" By simple examination of the graphs showing the increase of covid infection in the UK. Number of reported new cases has been growing on a steady exponential curve. At this stage of the curve on previous waves the country had already implemented strong measures to slow infection, and the curve still continued upwards for a number of weeks. This time we are doing absolutely nothing, and in fact removing the very few remaining control measures. There is now nothing to halt the upwards curve until the population limit has been reached. Meanwhile we are running a series of super spreader events, the largest of which so far was last night. "Freedom" day will be another such event. Each of these events will cause an instant doubling or more of infections. Currently at least 1% of the population of the UK are reported active cases of covid. This means we are less than 7 doublings away from 100% exposure. There is still more than a quarter of the population either unvaccinated or incompletely vaccinated, past experience indicates that unless they take extreme self-protection measures, all of these will contract the virus. As for the vaccinated, indications are that a high level of them will become infected when exposed to covid. The vaccination programme is very obviously not reducing the slope of the infection graph. The only hope is that severity of illness after vaccination does seem to be much reduced, but whether this reduction will be enough to prevent catastrophic overloading of the health system remains to be seen. Like it or not, the UK is now the test tube for the big experiment. Not herd immunity, that boat has sailed. What we are now testing is herd infection. | |||
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"Wait for about a quarter of a million infections being reported in 3 or 4 days. How do you know this By simple examination of the graphs showing the increase of covid infection in the UK. Number of reported new cases has been growing on a steady exponential curve. At this stage of the curve on previous waves the country had already implemented strong measures to slow infection, and the curve still continued upwards for a number of weeks. This time we are doing absolutely nothing, and in fact removing the very few remaining control measures. There is now nothing to halt the upwards curve until the population limit has been reached. Meanwhile we are running a series of super spreader events, the largest of which so far was last night. "Freedom" day will be another such event. Each of these events will cause an instant doubling or more of infections. Currently at least 1% of the population of the UK are reported active cases of covid. This means we are less than 7 doublings away from 100% exposure. There is still more than a quarter of the population either unvaccinated or incompletely vaccinated, past experience indicates that unless they take extreme self-protection measures, all of these will contract the virus. As for the vaccinated, indications are that a high level of them will become infected when exposed to covid. The vaccination programme is very obviously not reducing the slope of the infection graph. The only hope is that severity of illness after vaccination does seem to be much reduced, but whether this reduction will be enough to prevent catastrophic overloading of the health system remains to be seen. Like it or not, the UK is now the test tube for the big experiment. Not herd immunity, that boat has sailed. What we are now testing is herd infection." So what is likely to be the situation in a few weeks? What could happen? | |||
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" Like it or not, the UK is now the test tube for the big experiment. Not herd immunity, that boat has sailed. What we are now testing is herd infection." I fear you are right there, Polly. It feels like the whole Covid response has been "reframed" from one of protection to one of infection. This is not accidental in the slightest. It's actively being encouraged. There are going to be long-term health outcomes to some unlucky individuals. If someone wanted to test transmissibility, you'd do it when all folks had been vaccinated, wouldn't you ? Not when 25% or so are not or only partially vaccinated. That's reckless, bordering on wilful harm and malfeasance. State-sponsored harm. State-sanctioned Bio-Terrorism. Morally repugnant and reprehensible. If you had 100 guinea-pigs and vaccinated 75 of them, and then introduced all of them to a virus, the outcome, whilst unknown until measured, is going to cause some harm. Some are going to suffer unnecessarily. I cannot understand this mentality, it's an anathema to me. Primum non nocere | |||
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"Masks do not work, look at the evidence " Incorrect. In public, masks can work if everyone is committed to and does wear an appropriate mask correctly. The virus is an airborne infection -so, surprise, surprise - barriers that prevent some of the viral particles from being exhaled/inhaled actually reduces the risk of infection. Higher grade mask filtration increases the levels of protection. The greater the amount of the virus entering the body, the greater the risk that you became infected. Would you have surgery and insist on theatre staff not wearing masks? | |||
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"Wait for about a quarter of a million infections being reported in 3 or 4 days. How do you know this By simple examination of the graphs showing the increase of covid infection in the UK. Number of reported new cases has been growing on a steady exponential curve. At this stage of the curve on previous waves the country had already implemented strong measures to slow infection, and the curve still continued upwards for a number of weeks. This time we are doing absolutely nothing, and in fact removing the very few remaining control measures. There is now nothing to halt the upwards curve until the population limit has been reached. Meanwhile we are running a series of super spreader events, the largest of which so far was last night. "Freedom" day will be another such event. Each of these events will cause an instant doubling or more of infections. Currently at least 1% of the population of the UK are reported active cases of covid. This means we are less than 7 doublings away from 100% exposure. There is still more than a quarter of the population either unvaccinated or incompletely vaccinated, past experience indicates that unless they take extreme self-protection measures, all of these will contract the virus. As for the vaccinated, indications are that a high level of them will become infected when exposed to covid. The vaccination programme is very obviously not reducing the slope of the infection graph. The only hope is that severity of illness after vaccination does seem to be much reduced, but whether this reduction will be enough to prevent catastrophic overloading of the health system remains to be seen. Like it or not, the UK is now the test tube for the big experiment. Not herd immunity, that boat has sailed. What we are now testing is herd infection. So what is likely to be the situation in a few weeks? What could happen?" I believe that the proportion of the population that are concurrently infected with covid will skyrocket. In any exponential type growth curve, it is 50% of the population that all catch it during the final doubling period. As to what that will mean in terms of harm to the population, I have no idea. And very importantly, the government has no idea either or if they do they are deliberately hiding and ignoring whatever information they are privy to. Certainly a very large number of reputable doctors, microbiologists, virologists and scientists of other relevant disciplines are totally appalled at this experiment being carried out by the government. If any medical enterprise, university, company or individual were to perform such an unethical trial they would be liable to legal recriminations regardless of the success or failure of the experiment. In an experiment being performed without proper explanation of the risks to those taking part in it, and without obtaining any sort of informed consent from those being experimented upon, if it should all go tits up (to use a scientific expression) those running the experiment would be personally liable for charges up to and including murder. | |||
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"Wait for about a quarter of a million infections being reported in 3 or 4 days. " Awkward... | |||
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"Seems this crazy predictions in the thread above have not come to light! Dont be scared into not living. " Some surveys suggest that the vast majority of people have kept their masks on. Common sense says that one can continue to live with cloth on one's face, and limiting contact. We all live our lives and take personal responsibility in our own ways. If it turns you on to misrepresent prudence as fear, you do you, but I still see prudence as prudence. | |||
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