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"dont know... not a fortune teller.. wait and see" Get off the forums now. You’re meant to give an opinion and defend it to your death in here.  | |||
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"Think they will back track abit if the case numbers keep rising, 28k yesterday. " Yes, I'm sort of going, promises versus cases - which will win out here. | |||
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"Think they will back track abit if the case numbers keep rising, 28k yesterday. Yes, I'm sort of going, promises versus cases - which will win out here." It's data led not date led? So if they think exponentially growing infections,... Growing hospital admissions and deaths is sensible to do it even more... Then they will. Seems to me that save for some outbound travel we are pretty much returned to normality anyway. | |||
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"Think they will back track abit if the case numbers keep rising, 28k yesterday. Yes, I'm sort of going, promises versus cases - which will win out here. It's data led not date led? So if they think exponentially growing infections,... Growing hospital admissions and deaths is sensible to do it even more... Then they will. Seems to me that save for some outbound travel we are pretty much returned to normality anyway. " Try saying that to the marchers last week and complainers elsewhere  | |||
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"Think they will back track abit if the case numbers keep rising, 28k yesterday. Yes, I'm sort of going, promises versus cases - which will win out here. It's data led not date led? So if they think exponentially growing infections,... Growing hospital admissions and deaths is sensible to do it even more... Then they will. Seems to me that save for some outbound travel we are pretty much returned to normality anyway. " I don't think that it's been data driven since about five minutes after they claimed it was, tbh. | |||
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"Think they will back track abit if the case numbers keep rising, 28k yesterday. Yes, I'm sort of going, promises versus cases - which will win out here. It's data led not date led? So if they think exponentially growing infections,... Growing hospital admissions and deaths is sensible to do it even more... Then they will. Seems to me that save for some outbound travel we are pretty much returned to normality anyway. I don't think that it's been data driven since about five minutes after they claimed it was, tbh." I don't think it was ever data driven, that was only ever just a nicely alliterative soundbite. | |||
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"Should find out Monday. I've a feeling people aren't going to be happy though. " Someone will be unhappy no matter what happens, I'm sure. | |||
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"Think they will back track abit if the case numbers keep rising, 28k yesterday. Yes, I'm sort of going, promises versus cases - which will win out here. It's data led not date led? So if they think exponentially growing infections,... Growing hospital admissions and deaths is sensible to do it even more... Then they will. Seems to me that save for some outbound travel we are pretty much returned to normality anyway. I don't think that it's been data driven since about five minutes after they claimed it was, tbh." It sounded more serious than other slogans though  | |||
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"Think they will back track abit if the case numbers keep rising, 28k yesterday. Yes, I'm sort of going, promises versus cases - which will win out here. It's data led not date led? So if they think exponentially growing infections,... Growing hospital admissions and deaths is sensible to do it even more... Then they will. Seems to me that save for some outbound travel we are pretty much returned to normality anyway. I don't think that it's been data driven since about five minutes after they claimed it was, tbh. It sounded more serious than other slogans though "Yeah. And it looked like it might make sense. But it got lost in yeah 21 June freedom | |||
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"It’s going to be exactly the same as it is now, Javid is just another corrupt government mouth piece, he’s that desperate to end lockdown, he’s voted for every single lockdown extension, he a paid advisor of J P Morgan, and they want to get their hands on the NHS to turn it into an insurance based service. As the poison vaccine only has temporary emergency authorisation, comrade Doris cannot end the restrictions, because if he does the poison vaccine loses its authorisation. My opinion and I’m sticking to it " I'm waiting for "the only way the nhs can survive the financial strain put on it by covid is privatisation" | |||
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"It’s going to be exactly the same as it is now, Javid is just another corrupt government mouth piece, he’s that desperate to end lockdown, he’s voted for every single lockdown extension, he a paid advisor of J P Morgan, and they want to get their hands on the NHS to turn it into an insurance based service. As the poison vaccine only has temporary emergency authorisation, comrade Doris cannot end the restrictions, because if he does the poison vaccine loses its authorisation. My opinion and I’m sticking to it " I don't knew what poison you're referring to. It weakens your argument, as there's substantial corruption amongst that party and little evidence that they serve us. | |||
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"I think the conservative government are to be putting it out there, prior to the July reopening, about what freedom we'll all be enjoying. Travel is obviously not reopening, as far as seems clear to me. Clubs should be able to reopen, subject to any last minute finer amendments. Though I'm guessing that swingers' venues are not as high priority as nightclubs, in their eyes. Javid seemed to want to get things opened ASAP. How do you think it's going to be? " I assume that Swingers clubs will not be considered separately, just classed as private members clubs... certainly I've not seen them mentioned in any of the previous press releases. Cal | |||
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"It’s going to be exactly the same as it is now, Javid is just another corrupt government mouth piece, he’s that desperate to end lockdown, he’s voted for every single lockdown extension, he a paid advisor of J P Morgan, and they want to get their hands on the NHS to turn it into an insurance based service. As the poison vaccine only has temporary emergency authorisation, comrade Doris cannot end the restrictions, because if he does the poison vaccine loses its authorisation. My opinion and I’m sticking to it " He’s an absolute monster with appalling views but he isn’t paid by JP Morgan anymore, he resigned from that role when he took the Health Secretary position. I don’t think this is anything more than theatre, no doubt he will have his nose back in that trough the second he can, but he’s not actually being paid by them right now. | |||
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"Cases are up, but hospital admissions and deaths are not going up accordingly, so hope that is actually a good sign." Hospital admissions are going up. The trust I work for has been put on alert with reminders to distance, keep covid checks up, mask wearing at all time and reduced visiting again due to the increases in admissions | |||
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"I think they need to open clubs now, too many will go out of business if they can't open soon. I'm more than happy to continue wearing masks on public transport and shops, it's not a huge hardship. As it stands, the data is showing that while cases are rising dramatically, deaths and hospitalisations are not, so the vaccines are working as intended. I think it's time to open things up, we have a high vaccine uptake and hopefully that continues to be the case. " I'm far from convinced vaccines are the miracle we are bing fed. Can't help but think that much of the "good news" is also due to it being summer and us living outside mostly. As for are vaccines working as expected. I'm sure way back a year we were told that herd immunity due to a percentage being vaccinated was the answer to stop the spread and eventually kill it off. That percentage I recall varied between 70 and 95 per cent. We may all be covid fatigued but it doesn't mean its over. Going into autumn with 100k infections a day feels a bit high risk. | |||
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"Cases are up, but hospital admissions and deaths are not going up accordingly, so hope that is actually a good sign. Hospital admissions are going up. The trust I work for has been put on alert with reminders to distance, keep covid checks up, mask wearing at all time and reduced visiting again due to the increases in admissions " Agree, but my point is that the increase in admissions is not in line with the increase in positive tests. | |||
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"What we need is an honest discussion about the, seemingly changed, relationship between the number of cases and the number of hospitalisations and deaths and long covid. My, admittedly rudimentary, understanding is that while cases are growing in UK this is NOT translating into hospitalisations in anywhere near the proportions as previous waves. We need to know: 1) As the most vulnerable have been almost universally vaccinated, of those in vulnerable groups who are still being hospitalised, has the proportion changed compared to previous waves? 2) As the majority of those who get it now and are bring hospitalised are from groups not yet widely vaccinated, in that group has the proportion of those being hospitalised grown compared to previous waves? We need to discuss (as a nation) whether number of cases is the number we should be focusing on going forward? I honestly don’t know myself. It’s all starting to become a blur of overwhelming noise and opinion." Agreed. There's a third point. What, if any are the Consequences of infection if not death? Ie as far as any damage to organs, long covid etc. Or If its as simple as infection followed by recovery with no long term damage. | |||
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"I think they need to open clubs now, too many will go out of business if they can't open soon. I'm more than happy to continue wearing masks on public transport and shops, it's not a huge hardship. As it stands, the data is showing that while cases are rising dramatically, deaths and hospitalisations are not, so the vaccines are working as intended. I think it's time to open things up, we have a high vaccine uptake and hopefully that continues to be the case. I'm far from convinced vaccines are the miracle we are bing fed. Can't help but think that much of the "good news" is also due to it being summer and us living outside mostly. As for are vaccines working as expected. I'm sure way back a year we were told that herd immunity due to a percentage being vaccinated was the answer to stop the spread and eventually kill it off. That percentage I recall varied between 70 and 95 per cent. We may all be covid fatigued but it doesn't mean its over. Going into autumn with 100k infections a day feels a bit high risk. " Who said the vaccines are a miracle? The data clearly shows they are working as intended. The hospitalisations and deaths are nowhere near as high last time the daily infections were this high, that tells me that the vaccines are doing exactly what we were told they would do. I honestly can't see how that isn't obvious. | |||
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"What we need is an honest discussion about the, seemingly changed, relationship between the number of cases and the number of hospitalisations and deaths and long covid. My, admittedly rudimentary, understanding is that while cases are growing in UK this is NOT translating into hospitalisations in anywhere near the proportions as previous waves. We need to know: 1) As the most vulnerable have been almost universally vaccinated, of those in vulnerable groups who are still being hospitalised, has the proportion changed compared to previous waves? 2) As the majority of those who get it now and are bring hospitalised are from groups not yet widely vaccinated, in that group has the proportion of those being hospitalised grown compared to previous waves? We need to discuss (as a nation) whether number of cases is the number we should be focusing on going forward? I honestly don’t know myself. It’s all starting to become a blur of overwhelming noise and opinion. Agreed. There's a third point. What, if any are the Consequences of infection if not death? Ie as far as any damage to organs, long covid etc. Or If its as simple as infection followed by recovery with no long term damage. " I'm not sure where it was but I'm sure I read that some people that had been vaccinated had improved after the vaccines, regarding long covid. I'm also sure that the severity of the illness (which is reduced if vaccinated) impacts the severity of the long term issues. | |||
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"What we need is an honest discussion about the, seemingly changed, relationship between the number of cases and the number of hospitalisations and deaths and long covid. My, admittedly rudimentary, understanding is that while cases are growing in UK this is NOT translating into hospitalisations in anywhere near the proportions as previous waves. We need to know: 1) As the most vulnerable have been almost universally vaccinated, of those in vulnerable groups who are still being hospitalised, has the proportion changed compared to previous waves? 2) As the majority of those who get it now and are bring hospitalised are from groups not yet widely vaccinated, in that group has the proportion of those being hospitalised grown compared to previous waves? We need to discuss (as a nation) whether number of cases is the number we should be focusing on going forward? I honestly don’t know myself. It’s all starting to become a blur of overwhelming noise and opinion. Agreed. There's a third point. What, if any are the Consequences of infection if not death? Ie as far as any damage to organs, long covid etc. Or If its as simple as infection followed by recovery with no long term damage. I'm not sure where it was but I'm sure I read that some people that had been vaccinated had improved after the vaccines, regarding long covid. I'm also sure that the severity of the illness (which is reduced if vaccinated) impacts the severity of the long term issues. " Do you mind sharing the links for those... I'd be interested in seeing it. Thanks | |||
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"What we need is an honest discussion about the, seemingly changed, relationship between the number of cases and the number of hospitalisations and deaths and long covid. My, admittedly rudimentary, understanding is that while cases are growing in UK this is NOT translating into hospitalisations in anywhere near the proportions as previous waves. We need to know: 1) As the most vulnerable have been almost universally vaccinated, of those in vulnerable groups who are still being hospitalised, has the proportion changed compared to previous waves? 2) As the majority of those who get it now and are bring hospitalised are from groups not yet widely vaccinated, in that group has the proportion of those being hospitalised grown compared to previous waves? We need to discuss (as a nation) whether number of cases is the number we should be focusing on going forward? I honestly don’t know myself. It’s all starting to become a blur of overwhelming noise and opinion. Agreed. There's a third point. What, if any are the Consequences of infection if not death? Ie as far as any damage to organs, long covid etc. Or If its as simple as infection followed by recovery with no long term damage. I'm not sure where it was but I'm sure I read that some people that had been vaccinated had improved after the vaccines, regarding long covid. I'm also sure that the severity of the illness (which is reduced if vaccinated) impacts the severity of the long term issues. Do you mind sharing the links for those... I'd be interested in seeing it. Thanks " I did state I don't know where I read it. I'll have another look, see if I can find it. | |||
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"What we need is an honest discussion about the, seemingly changed, relationship between the number of cases and the number of hospitalisations and deaths and long covid. My, admittedly rudimentary, understanding is that while cases are growing in UK this is NOT translating into hospitalisations in anywhere near the proportions as previous waves. We need to know: 1) As the most vulnerable have been almost universally vaccinated, of those in vulnerable groups who are still being hospitalised, has the proportion changed compared to previous waves? 2) As the majority of those who get it now and are bring hospitalised are from groups not yet widely vaccinated, in that group has the proportion of those being hospitalised grown compared to previous waves? We need to discuss (as a nation) whether number of cases is the number we should be focusing on going forward? I honestly don’t know myself. It’s all starting to become a blur of overwhelming noise and opinion. Agreed. There's a third point. What, if any are the Consequences of infection if not death? Ie as far as any damage to organs, long covid etc. Or If its as simple as infection followed by recovery with no long term damage. I'm not sure where it was but I'm sure I read that some people that had been vaccinated had improved after the vaccines, regarding long covid. I'm also sure that the severity of the illness (which is reduced if vaccinated) impacts the severity of the long term issues. Do you mind sharing the links for those... I'd be interested in seeing it. Thanks " Here's one link https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid It also states people are more likely to suffer long term issues if they are elderly or if they have compromised immune systems, although some younger people and milder cases have seen it too. | |||
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"What we need is an honest discussion about the, seemingly changed, relationship between the number of cases and the number of hospitalisations and deaths and long covid. My, admittedly rudimentary, understanding is that while cases are growing in UK this is NOT translating into hospitalisations in anywhere near the proportions as previous waves. We need to know: 1) As the most vulnerable have been almost universally vaccinated, of those in vulnerable groups who are still being hospitalised, has the proportion changed compared to previous waves? 2) As the majority of those who get it now and are bring hospitalised are from groups not yet widely vaccinated, in that group has the proportion of those being hospitalised grown compared to previous waves? We need to discuss (as a nation) whether number of cases is the number we should be focusing on going forward? I honestly don’t know myself. It’s all starting to become a blur of overwhelming noise and opinion. Agreed. There's a third point. What, if any are the Consequences of infection if not death? Ie as far as any damage to organs, long covid etc. Or If its as simple as infection followed by recovery with no long term damage. I'm not sure where it was but I'm sure I read that some people that had been vaccinated had improved after the vaccines, regarding long covid. I'm also sure that the severity of the illness (which is reduced if vaccinated) impacts the severity of the long term issues. Do you mind sharing the links for those... I'd be interested in seeing it. Thanks Here's one link https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid It also states people are more likely to suffer long term issues if they are elderly or if they have compromised immune systems, although some younger people and milder cases have seen it too. " 
The vaccines have generally been very positive for everyone. Much higher efficacy than we have for many other infections, including flu. They've pulled deaths down and people don't get as severely unwell. That long covid may be lessened is great | |||
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"I think apart from oversea travel, he will open the lot up and dump any law enforcement on social distancing and mask wearing, the whole lot will go into Personal Responsibility as he hopes that the majority will carry on but by their own choice. We are in the next experiment, he needs to see how high these cases can go on the back of the vaccines before they cause a significant problem, we accept up to 20,000 flu deaths a year already, how many with covid deaths will the public accept before pressure is put upon govt to do something..." Sounds about right.. Note to self, must try not to look askance and mumble pfft when Boris espouses 'personal responsibility' whilst keeping a straight face.. | |||
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"I think apart from oversea travel, he will open the lot up and dump any law enforcement on social distancing and mask wearing, the whole lot will go into Personal Responsibility as he hopes that the majority will carry on but by their own choice. We are in the next experiment, he needs to see how high these cases can go on the back of the vaccines before they cause a significant problem, we accept up to 20,000 flu deaths a year already, how many with covid deaths will the public accept before pressure is put upon govt to do something... Sounds about right.. Note to self, must try not to look askance and mumble pfft when Boris espouses 'personal responsibility' whilst keeping a straight face.." I think he's driven to make Freudian slips, as he's justifying diagnosis as a complete psychopath/sociopath etc, meeting much of the criteria for severe pathology in the DSM v. We'll hear the personal responsibility trope a lot. 
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"I think the conservative government are to be putting it out there, prior to the July reopening, about what freedom we'll all be enjoying. Travel is obviously not reopening, as far as seems clear to me. Clubs should be able to reopen, subject to any last minute finer amendments. Though I'm guessing that swingers' venues are not as high priority as nightclubs, in their eyes. Javid seemed to want to get things opened ASAP. How do you think it's going to be? " With the delta variant I'd say grim plus adding all those against the vaccine we'll be going backwards with possible increased number of deaths virus can mutate. | |||
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"I think it'll be pistols at dawn between Javid and the medical advisors Unless they've been sacked "Javid is much more in tune with Boris "I'd rather pile bodies in the street than lockdown" so the direction of travel is clear. | |||
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"I think apart from oversea travel, he will open the lot up and dump any law enforcement on social distancing and mask wearing, the whole lot will go into Personal Responsibility as he hopes that the majority will carry on but by their own choice. We are in the next experiment, he needs to see how high these cases can go on the back of the vaccines before they cause a significant problem, we accept up to 20,000 flu deaths a year already, how many with covid deaths will the public accept before pressure is put upon govt to do something... Sounds about right.. Note to self, must try not to look askance and mumble pfft when Boris espouses 'personal responsibility' whilst keeping a straight face.. I think he's driven to make Freudian slips, as he's justifying diagnosis as a complete psychopath/sociopath etc, meeting much of the criteria for severe pathology in the DSM v. We'll hear the personal responsibility trope a lot.
Travel may be opened a lot, if there's immediate ending of quarantine requirements for the Amber list countries, for those double vaccinated. "Well, I think the whole psychopath thing is abit much. The thing is, we do have a personal responsibility, the population are the ones spreading it, and we are the ones that can help reduce the spread. | |||
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"I think apart from oversea travel, he will open the lot up and dump any law enforcement on social distancing and mask wearing, the whole lot will go into Personal Responsibility as he hopes that the majority will carry on but by their own choice. We are in the next experiment, he needs to see how high these cases can go on the back of the vaccines before they cause a significant problem, we accept up to 20,000 flu deaths a year already, how many with covid deaths will the public accept before pressure is put upon govt to do something... Sounds about right.. Note to self, must try not to look askance and mumble pfft when Boris espouses 'personal responsibility' whilst keeping a straight face.. I think he's driven to make Freudian slips, as he's justifying diagnosis as a complete psychopath/sociopath etc, meeting much of the criteria for severe pathology in the DSM v. We'll hear the personal responsibility trope a lot.
Travel may be opened a lot, if there's immediate ending of quarantine requirements for the Amber list countries, for those double vaccinated.
Well, I think the whole psychopath thing is abit much.
The thing is, we do have a personal responsibility, the population are the ones spreading it, and we are the ones that can help reduce the spread. "Yeah somewhere in the last 18 months of prescribed behaviour we seem to have lost the ability to think with reasonable sensibility. Hope it returns swiftly. "A thought a day is the well balanced way" | |||
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"I think it'll be pistols at dawn between Javid and the medical advisors Unless they've been sacked
Javid is much more in tune with Boris "I'd rather pile bodies in the street than lockdown" so the direction of travel is clear. "I think you'll find Javid comes from the same 'Build Back Better' gang and will be locking down again very soon. This is all to do with the World Economic Forum who we have not voted for but has huge effects on our government. | |||
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"I think apart from oversea travel, he will open the lot up and dump any law enforcement on social distancing and mask wearing, the whole lot will go into Personal Responsibility as he hopes that the majority will carry on but by their own choice. We are in the next experiment, he needs to see how high these cases can go on the back of the vaccines before they cause a significant problem, we accept up to 20,000 flu deaths a year already, how many with covid deaths will the public accept before pressure is put upon govt to do something... Sounds about right.. Note to self, must try not to look askance and mumble pfft when Boris espouses 'personal responsibility' whilst keeping a straight face.. I think he's driven to make Freudian slips, as he's justifying diagnosis as a complete psychopath/sociopath etc, meeting much of the criteria for severe pathology in the DSM v. We'll hear the personal responsibility trope a lot.
Travel may be opened a lot, if there's immediate ending of quarantine requirements for the Amber list countries, for those double vaccinated. "I can more easily see travel closing down as other countries decide that they don't want anyone from plague island regardless of vaccine status. They might be on our green and amber lists, but we are highly likely to be on their red list for a long time. | |||
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"I think apart from oversea travel, he will open the lot up and dump any law enforcement on social distancing and mask wearing, the whole lot will go into Personal Responsibility as he hopes that the majority will carry on but by their own choice. We are in the next experiment, he needs to see how high these cases can go on the back of the vaccines before they cause a significant problem, we accept up to 20,000 flu deaths a year already, how many with covid deaths will the public accept before pressure is put upon govt to do something... Sounds about right.. Note to self, must try not to look askance and mumble pfft when Boris espouses 'personal responsibility' whilst keeping a straight face.. I think he's driven to make Freudian slips, as he's justifying diagnosis as a complete psychopath/sociopath etc, meeting much of the criteria for severe pathology in the DSM v. We'll hear the personal responsibility trope a lot.
Travel may be opened a lot, if there's immediate ending of quarantine requirements for the Amber list countries, for those double vaccinated.
I can more easily see travel closing down as other countries decide that they don't want anyone from plague island regardless of vaccine status. They might be on our green and amber lists, but we are highly likely to be on their red list for a long time."“Plague Island” what a drama queen | |||
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"Id say that we have to accept this is with us like the flu, get the vaccine and live life like its meant to be lived, yes there will still be a few deaths but this is life, i for one will live life to its fullest as you never know when your time is up... life seems to have got too serious,nothing is forever, just enjoy the ride !! X" | |||
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"I think apart from oversea travel, he will open the lot up and dump any law enforcement on social distancing and mask wearing, the whole lot will go into Personal Responsibility as he hopes that the majority will carry on but by their own choice. We are in the next experiment, he needs to see how high these cases can go on the back of the vaccines before they cause a significant problem, we accept up to 20,000 flu deaths a year already, how many with covid deaths will the public accept before pressure is put upon govt to do something... Sounds about right.. Note to self, must try not to look askance and mumble pfft when Boris espouses 'personal responsibility' whilst keeping a straight face.. I think he's driven to make Freudian slips, as he's justifying diagnosis as a complete psychopath/sociopath etc, meeting much of the criteria for severe pathology in the DSM v. We'll hear the personal responsibility trope a lot.
Travel may be opened a lot, if there's immediate ending of quarantine requirements for the Amber list countries, for those double vaccinated.
I can more easily see travel closing down as other countries decide that they don't want anyone from plague island regardless of vaccine status. They might be on our green and amber lists, but we are highly likely to be on their red list for a long time."“ Restrictions on people travelling from the UK to Germany have been eased, days after Boris Johnson and Angela Merkel met at Chequers. The UK is now no longer a highest level "virus variant area" but the second-highest designation - a "high-incidence area". This opens up quarantine-free travel for people who are fully vaccinated or have antibodies, and also reducing containment for those with a negative test.” | |||
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"I think apart from oversea travel, he will open the lot up and dump any law enforcement on social distancing and mask wearing, the whole lot will go into Personal Responsibility as he hopes that the majority will carry on but by their own choice. We are in the next experiment, he needs to see how high these cases can go on the back of the vaccines before they cause a significant problem, we accept up to 20,000 flu deaths a year already, how many with covid deaths will the public accept before pressure is put upon govt to do something... Sounds about right.. Note to self, must try not to look askance and mumble pfft when Boris espouses 'personal responsibility' whilst keeping a straight face.. I think he's driven to make Freudian slips, as he's justifying diagnosis as a complete psychopath/sociopath etc, meeting much of the criteria for severe pathology in the DSM v. We'll hear the personal responsibility trope a lot.
Travel may be opened a lot, if there's immediate ending of quarantine requirements for the Amber list countries, for those double vaccinated.
I can more easily see travel closing down as other countries decide that they don't want anyone from plague island regardless of vaccine status. They might be on our green and amber lists, but we are highly likely to be on their red list for a long time.
“ Restrictions on people travelling from the UK to Germany have been eased, days after Boris Johnson and Angela Merkel met at Chequers.
The UK is now no longer a highest level "virus variant area" but the second-highest designation - a "high-incidence area".
This opens up quarantine-free travel for people who are fully vaccinated or have antibodies, and also reducing containment for those with a negative test.”
"That's stopping UK travellers needing to quarantine when we arrive in Germany. In assume that Germany is still in our Amber list and thus we need to quarantine on our return. | |||
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