FabSwingers.com forum: No jab no job

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

It won’t happen for all jobs but I can see it being necessary for care and health workers. However, until the vaccines are authorised for normal usage (not just emergency usage) there could be some tricky legal territory?

Obviously individual companies may decide to go that route (Pimlico Plumbers) but I doubt most will.

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?"

Not long

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Not long I don't think. Not right though

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By *orty-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Leyland

That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a chance it will ever happen. It’s gone quit on the nhs being made to have it lol like that’s ever going to happen too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?"

Never ever, simply not possible, there would be riots for sure

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips. "

If it is shown to be a reasonable instruction which is not followed it could end up in dismissal if a business follows correct HR procedures. I think most businesses will go down the advisory route though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well they've made all the other jabs mandatory so it won't be long.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

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By *ndrew025Man
over a year ago

west lancs

They are going to do it so that you can’t go the pub or the football etc without a vaccine. It will put it on the toes of these companies and organisations. If they don’t ensure the safety of their customers they will be liable and all that nonsense. I first read up on this in 2018 when the digital ID documents etc came about. Vaccine passports were a big part of it. It will basically be mandatory without actually being mandatory.

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By *parkybunnyCouple
over a year ago

Zurich. NOT London.

"They are going to do it so that you can’t go the pub or the football etc without a vaccine. It will put it on the toes of these companies and organisations. If they don’t ensure the safety of their customers they will be liable and all that nonsense. I first read up on this in 2018 when the digital ID documents etc came about. Vaccine passports were a big part of it. It will basically be mandatory without actually being mandatory. "

Thus. It's a choice, choose not to vaccinate, they choose not to employ you. The same for travel, you choose not to get jabbed, they choose not to let you travel. It's all about choice.

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By *ndrew025Man
over a year ago

west lancs

Thus. It's a choice, choose not to vaccinate, they choose not to employ you. The same for travel, you choose not to get jabbed, they choose not to let you travel. It's all about choice."

When u can’t take part in society it’s not really a choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thus. It's a choice, choose not to vaccinate, they choose not to employ you. The same for travel, you choose not to get jabbed, they choose not to let you travel. It's all about choice."

I would choose to leave society then, who has the right to tell you what to do - people say you will have to and you will do as your told. But the same people don't agree it is controlling.

Beats me

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By *nigmatic_AngelWoman
over a year ago

The place where fairies live

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

So true. One of the questions at my last Interview was so you have your up to date vaccination information?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?"

It would appear that the conspiracy theories are rapidly turning into facts.

This Covid1984 nonesense stops when we decide it does.

Distrust the government.

Avoid mass media.

Fight the lies.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

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You may be a specialist nurse therefore required to have certain vaccines but it must be stressed this is not a requirement for all nurses.

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By *orty-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Leyland

"That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips.

Thank god I'm self employed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips.

Thank god I'm self employed "

thats ok but what if the people who want your trade only want people who have had the jab ? this is not going to be just a goverment thing it will be a peoples thing too .... families of residents have already had a massive affect on the owner of our homes and the direction hes going ..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips.

Thank god I'm self employed

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

It would appear that the conspiracy theories are rapidly turning into facts.

This Covid1984 nonesense stops when we decide it does.

Distrust the government.

Avoid mass media.

Fight the lies."
oooo you can't say that here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips.

Thank god I'm self employed

and i have no doubt of that too was just stating its bigger than goverment thats all ... its going to be tricky times

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

"Not a chance it will ever happen. It’s gone quit on the nhs being made to have it lol like that’s ever going to happen too"
15 months ago if someone said you can’t have friends relatives round your house you would have thought them nuts but it happened, never say never

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

I honestly do not think this will happen other than for certain job types.

Increasing numbers of office type jobs will be working from home (as pandemic has proven effectiveness of this) going forward.

If you WFH and have no contact with customers, in what grounds would your employer make it mandatory?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I dont think beyond health and social care it will be demanded. I do agree with health and social care requiring the vaccine and dont personally know anyone that hasn't had it

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We've got shortages of care staff, so it's going to add to problems there. It may mean all kinds of staff doing repairs etc at homes have to be too, whether gas or other stuff.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"We've got shortages of care staff, so it's going to add to problems there. It may mean all kinds of staff doing repairs etc at homes have to be too, whether gas or other stuff. "

Think visiting tradesmen get treated like family visits. Lft test before entering x x

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By *orkshire_roses999Couple
over a year ago

yorkshire

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

There has been certain areas whereby some paramedics have refused to have the CoVID jab…….not sure where that went though

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

public sector /contact with children and vulnerable adults, military , NHS job roles I should think will have it written into their contracts.No need for lawyers then.

'Old wood' currently employed will be trickier situation .Though would think pressure will slowly start to increase on them and many will change profession to be replaced by people who have been made redundant when furlough comes to an end .

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"We've got shortages of care staff, so it's going to add to problems there. It may mean all kinds of staff doing repairs etc at homes have to be too, whether gas or other stuff.

Think visiting tradesmen get treated like family visits. Lft test before entering x x "

100% the right thing to do at the moment at least .

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips.

Thank god I'm self employed

there may be a situation where ' covid safe' will become a tick box on a booking form or something and at the discretion of the customer. So they have the choice as far as tradesmen go. Exterior work wouldn't be an issue .However indoor work inside someones home I would think will need some sort of proof or test etc.. there will be choice if course .However, most I think will follow govt whatever guidelines we have at the time until some sort of industry wide rule is out in place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've got shortages of care staff, so it's going to add to problems there. It may mean all kinds of staff doing repairs etc at homes have to be too, whether gas or other stuff. "

included in this mandatory vaccine thingy will be all people who work with in not just care staff and all professionals and trades people visiting so if a home needs work then they must be vaccinated ...thats how i understand it to be ..

as for care staff shortages thats always been an issue but as with our company we are already seeking from abroad first 50 will be coming over as soon as visa sorted and all other paperwork ... we are not the only ones doing this.

i think out side of london the uptake of the jab with care workers is high

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

Didn’t the bloke who runs Pimlico Plumbers say he was making it mandatory for his staff and would sack anyone who didn’t have it. Then admit he hadn’t had it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For those who feel it ought to be mandatory to have the vaccine, how would you feel if it became mandatory that everyone in your household had to have it for your job, let's say from 4 years old.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Our company has told us, no jab, no job.

As we going into care homes, doctors surgeries, and peoples on homes.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"For those who feel it ought to be mandatory to have the vaccine, how would you feel if it became mandatory that everyone in your household had to have it for your job, let's say from 4 years old.

I would feel find about it..

kids get immunised at a very young age right? and z with everything despite the vaccine being relatively new..wd a got to start somewhere.

so yes I'd have no issue with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not happening for care staff in Wales

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"public sector /contact with children and vulnerable adults, military , NHS job roles I should think will have it written into their contracts.No need for lawyers then.

Public Sector - I think you may be surprised. Certainly no current discussion about this beyond care and health roles. It may change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

This...my daughter is a Dr. Cant practice without various jobs. But she knew this from the outset. There is a subtle difference when introduced retrospectively.

Personally though....anyone stupid enough to be a vaccine dodger shouldn't be working in a health care job in first place.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Didn’t the bloke who runs Pimlico Plumbers say he was making it mandatory for his staff and would sack anyone who didn’t have it. Then admit he hadn’t had it

Yes..he such a d...head

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By *ueenieHWoman
over a year ago

leeds

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

Totally agree with this.

If your working with people in a area where you are close you should have to have a covid vaccine

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By *enhamhoopMan
over a year ago

Denham

"I honestly do not think this will happen other than for certain job types.

Increasing numbers of office type jobs will be working from home (as pandemic has proven effectiveness of this) going forward.

If you WFH and have no contact with customers, in what grounds would your employer make it mandatory?"
Your employer wouldn't but let's see to travel on transport you will need it including airplanes. To visit public places same so no pub no cinema no restaurant no supermarket no gym yes of course you will have a choice to abstain but bit limited on what you can do with your freedom

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"For those who feel it ought to be mandatory to have the vaccine, how would you feel if it became mandatory that everyone in your household had to have it for your job, let's say from 4 years old.

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I'd be fine with that but no idea why anyone that wasnt at my job would need to. To be fair come September hopefully everyone in my house will have had the vaccine

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"For those who feel it ought to be mandatory to have the vaccine, how would you feel if it became mandatory that everyone in your household had to have it for your job, let's say from 4 years old.

No problem with this

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By *alifaxsuetvcdTV/TS
over a year ago

halifax

it has already been cleared by the human rights Committee to make jabs compulsory for care workers, so the lawyers will miss out on a payday. And surgeons have to be vaccinated against hepatitis by law now, so why all this fuss about jabs I have no idea.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I honestly do not think this will happen other than for certain job types.

Increasing numbers of office type jobs will be working from home (as pandemic has proven effectiveness of this) going forward.

If you WFH and have no contact with customers, in what grounds would your employer make it mandatory? Your employer wouldn't but let's see to travel on transport you will need it including airplanes. To visit public places same so no pub no cinema no restaurant no supermarket no gym yes of course you will have a choice to abstain but bit limited on what you can do with your freedom"

I am prepared to bet money the Govt will never make proof of vaccination mandatory for using public transport.

Everything else you mention are businesses who can determine their own policies for access to their services.

I also believe this will become a moot point because vaccine take up in the UK is so high anyway, we are very likely to achieve herd immunity so further draconian measures will not be required (unless the Tory’s think it might win them another election of course).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I honestly do not think this will happen other than for certain job types.

Increasing numbers of office type jobs will be working from home (as pandemic has proven effectiveness of this) going forward.

Who is going to check your vaccination record before you get on public transport, go into a pub or restaurant. It’s not going to happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloomsbury have said vaccination will be mandatory for its office staff.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

My husband has a vaccine card to travel for work, has done for years.

Never had an issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those who feel it ought to be mandatory to have the vaccine, how would you feel if it became mandatory that everyone in your household had to have it for your job, let's say from 4 years old.

I would feel find about it..

kids get immunised at a very young age right? and z with everything despite the vaccine being relatively new..wd a got to start somewhere.

so yes I'd have no issue with it "

There has been issues with children's hearts that have had the vaccine. Kids get vaccines yes, but not for a disease that they are not at risk from. There are risks with everything, why would you introduce more risk from a new vaccine that children are not at risk from. Long term issues are not known, especially with children.

The death rate even last year didn't go above 2003, the average age of death WITH covid was above the average age of death and yet it seems injecting a 4 year old is 'reasonable'!

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

what? and add to the current labour shortage at a time of potential high inflation? you're 'avin a giraffe geezer if you think buiness will buy this and swallow the cost.

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By *wistedTooCouple
over a year ago

Frimley

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?"

Hopefully soon

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By *w79Man
over a year ago

Stalbridge

Vaccination should be mandatory. Unless you have a medical condition preventing you from having it & you are on a waiting list for one to be compatible with you or your condition.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?"

I'm fairly sure you can't change the terms of someone's employment at will. If you've noticed on the news, all of the reports have said that people may be "redeployed" if they don't want to be vaccinated.

They can however insist on it for new employees.

Cal

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

I hope it never comes to that

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Vaccination should be mandatory. Unless you have a medical condition preventing you from having it & you are on a waiting list for one to be compatible with you or your condition. "

Should eating healthy, stopping drinking & smoking, and taking regular exercise also be mandatory?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Vaccination should be mandatory. Unless you have a medical condition preventing you from having it & you are on a waiting list for one to be compatible with you or your condition.

Should eating healthy, stopping drinking & smoking, and taking regular exercise also be mandatory? "

It would save the NHS a fortune.

Nothing wrong with looking after yourself and your body.

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Some employers will undoubtedly make it mandatory but unless like with carers the Government make it a legal requirement you can't force a current employee to be vaccinated only for new hires.

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?"

It never will.

Certain vaccinations are already required in many nhs jobs as well as other sectors.

I'm unsure why it's an issue.

I get specific vaccinations through work because of this risks of getting things such as hepatitis.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

This...my daughter is a Dr. Cant practice without various jobs. But she knew this from the outset. There is a subtle difference when introduced retrospectively.

Personally though....anyone stupid enough to be a vaccine dodger shouldn't be working in a health care job in first place."

This

When I am receiving health care from someone I do like them to be sane and grounded in reality. If someone has a sensible medical reason for not being vaccinated, that they can convince me of without saying "bill gates" or "the reset", and is clearly taking whatever alternative precautions are possible then I would not see them as a problem. If they are aware of the dangers to themselves and others, and are compensating by eg. using greater levels of PPE, self limiting their personal contacts etc this is all good.

However if I was being attended to by someone wearing a "covid is a myth" badge, muttering about conspiracies and 5G, telling me that vaccines would make me magnetic - no way José!

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

It’s coming and likely to continue away from healthcare which each company making its own decision

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57481895

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Government is probably going to step in again & say all jobs that requires interaction with other people required the jabs.

Won't matter if you're medical staff, a plumber or in customer services everyone will eventually required it no matter their field of work.

While I have been offered the jabs I'm not having them yet.

I don't think I'm letting them stick me with something that we've all been locked down for regardless which strain they're sticking everyone with.

Plus I'm waiting to see who's more susceptible to the most dangerous strain so far, those who are vaccinated or those who are not.

I'm not trying to scare monger but there is no evidence that one strain can't mutate another & I'm not jumping into something blindly that can't be reversed.

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By *igboi27888Man
over a year ago

crowborough

It’s disgusting having been force have a jab your freedom government are lying are wankers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you voluntarily choose to have your vaccines to be a nurse or where you forced to have them ??

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over a year ago

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By *isces WomanWoman
over a year ago

West London

What I find interesting is the vaccination only stops the vaccinated getting it really badly you can be a carrier which doesn't stop the infection rates. The next wave of NHS crisis will be mental health due to social isolation, financial pressures etc. The NHS can't cope ATM.

It's shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

I agree...as a nurse also..have seen enough suffering regarding this virus

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By *incsladyandscotsmanCouple
over a year ago

North fife

Just now there are no mandatory vaccinations for health care workers. Legally they are just recommendations. Before I get bombarded this is the legal side. Everything is recommended.

No jab no job is a step into the unknown for the UK. I note Wales will not be doing this, so far it is only England.

However I do feel that as they start with health care and then NHS it will move to people who work with public..... Which is a lot of people, then people who have to go into public arenas.. Ie supermarkets.

Oh I hear people cry... Where else would you let random people roam about but shopping areas.

Remember the vaccine passports, I bet these come back with a vengeance.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, however I was called one for the passport prediction. I predict that this no jab no job is a tester to see what happens to staffing levels and attitude towards government. If successfull it will move down the food chain.

It's scary times all round. Attracted by disease and personal choice removal and liberty removal.

If I'm being totally honest I'm amazed that this community has not been looked at. Bet that happens as it flies in the face of everything the government wants us to do....even with vaccinations.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"What I find interesting is the vaccination only stops the vaccinated getting it really badly you can be a carrier which doesn't stop the infection rates. The next wave of NHS crisis will be mental health due to social isolation, financial pressures etc. The NHS can't cope ATM.

It's shit."

Actually... it has been demonstrated that:

1. The vaccines reduce the chance of becoming infected by over 65% (by killing the virus before an infection is established)

2. The vaccines reduce the chances of transmitting the virus by over 80% (if you are infected)

3. The vaccines reduce the length that a infection does last (IF you become infected), further minimising the opportunity to pass it on.

The first two points mean that a fully vaccinated care staff would reduce their risk of infecting residents by 93% (simple maths).

Cal

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

People needs to realise one thing, we are more powerful than small amount of people making them no sense rules...when the people starting refusing them jobs they will be desperate for staff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?"
well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free"

lol

good luck with trying to get away with that !

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free"

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

I think it’s more of an interesting question to ask all the vaccine critics if they would be super happy to be treated by a doctor or nurse who wasn’t vaccinated?

I can imagine the lawsuits would be flying if you god forbid picked it up there….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

E"
thats bullshit I can claim esa and get 240 a fortnight with pip aswell thats another 200 a month so that's 680 a month . Plus my rent and council tax paid so it all adds up to a pretty nice some for doing bugger all if it comes to that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

E"
the things some people say trying to be a smart arse when clearly you don't know everything

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

The hospitals . Care homes and both their staff have a duty of care to follow and this includes not putting their patients or clients at unnecessary risk. So yes i can see it becoming compulsory for them to do thier jobs but also to comply to their respective companies insurance policies . As i stated before "where there is blame there will be a claim". And if a patient becomes ill and dies of covid and they were treated by a member of staff who had not been vaccinated then the employee, nhs trust or care company could be found liable. Plus i would not want any of my family to be in a health situation where a non vaccinated person was treating or careing for them. Of course there will be some who for genuine medical reasons cannot have the jab. But soon there will be jabs available for all even different medical conditions as covid is here to stay

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

Ethats bullshit I can claim esa and get 240 a fortnight with pip aswell thats another 200 a month so that's 680 a month . Plus my rent and council tax paid so it all adds up to a pretty nice some for doing bugger all if it comes to that "

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nita

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nita"
play the whole mental health card I think would be best

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best"

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple."
its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Thus. It's a choice, choose not to vaccinate, they choose not to employ you. The same for travel, you choose not to get jabbed, they choose not to let you travel. It's all about choice.

I would choose to leave society then, who has the right to tell you what to do - people say you will have to and you will do as your told. But the same people don't agree it is controlling.

Beats me "

For society to function we need most of its members to comply with the written and unwritten rules that allow society to function. If we all just did what we wanted when we wanted safe and organised society would fall into anarchy chaos and death. Who has the right to tell you what to do... the same people who have the right to tell you what not to do... murder, r pe, steal

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

It would appear that the conspiracy theories are rapidly turning into facts.

This Covid1984 nonesense stops when we decide it does.

Distrust the government.

Avoid mass media.

Fight the lies."

Who’s the driver then... is the media driving governments or governments driving media

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By *ex-BombsCouple
over a year ago

Flitwick

If you’d seen someone die from this and be unable to breathe literally gasping for air believe me it’s horrendous and you would do all you could to ensure you don’t potentially pass anything on to anyone else, we are all happy to eat takeaways etc when we don’t know for certain what has been put in them, just a thought

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By *matoMan
over a year ago

Around here

"I have to have many vaccines to be a nurse.

Doctors paramedics etc..

This is no different...

It's not about rights.. its about keeping those you care for safe.

Yes, there are many vaccines that are very useful. But, there is a but.

You are putting vaccines that ARE real vaccines, that have been around for years and years, that have been long ago proven to be effective against diseases that are far far more dangerous in the same bag with an experimental "prevention" based on playing with genetic code and pushed on the population on the basis of an "EMERGENCY authorization"?

I'm just curious to know what kind of headlines you would get in the UK press if in some other country the population was corralled by means of scaremongering into forced mass participation into an ongoing clinical trial.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle "

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

"
im just saying what will happen if I loose my job cos I refuse to not have the jab. Its my choice to not be a sheep . Its my body and if I don't want it then nobody can manipulate me into having it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

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By *azianCouple
over a year ago

stamford

"That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips. "

Question is how do we judge who's human rights are affected - those who want the choice not to have the vaccine, or those who use the NHS and may be more susceptible to catching it from a healthcare worker? I'd hate to have to make that call.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point."
thanks someone's actually listening to me. And that's my point exactly , some people don't like you having your own opinion and to have a way of diffrent thinking and a way out of all situations

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

"That's very sketchy ground.

Human rights lawyers will be all over that like a tramp on hot chips. "
Ye should never be forced to do anything.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point."

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

Additionally important to say to the ' my body my choice ' people that the same apllies to everyone else..who may decide your choice could have a bad effect in their choice...which is going to start causing problems in the next 12 months..Freedom of choice apliies to everyone and we all have a duty if care to each other to keep each other 'safe' don't we ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

"
I dont have any duty to anyone else but myself. I dont care what other people do so why do other people care about what I do. If your scared of catching covid then stay at home and live a sheltered life. I'm living MY life the way I want. I'm not here to make anyone else happy im here for me, im number 1 and I won't be dictated 2 by anyone. Only person who has a slight chance of telling me what to do is my mother and 99% of the time I won't listen to her neither

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

"
also im self employed and work for myself so nobodys ever goin to force me so I'm always winning

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Since this is a global pandemic it will be compulsory one day even to travel abroad given their is more than one type of the virus which keeps mutating each country has a responsibility to protect their nation so it's going to be no jab no travel to control the flow of the virus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since this is a global pandemic it will be compulsory one day even to travel abroad given their is more than one type of the virus which keeps mutating each country has a responsibility to protect their nation so it's going to be no jab no travel to control the flow of the virus"
there will be a way around it. Money talks and there will be a Sr out there who will sign you off as having a jab when really you havnt. There used to be a Dr in chorley who gave you anythin you wanted..Dr bora he was called .

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

also im self employed and work for myself so nobodys ever goin to force me so I'm always winning "

It might turn into a binding contract to act responsibly for employees which failed could leave a business going down but also an employee taking legal action against the employer for not safe guarding his or her employees

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends if it goes the same way as the flu jab or more along the way of a hep b jab.

Nhs workers are forced to have hep b jab and show immunity to chicken pox and tb or be jabbed.

They are highly encouraged to have the flu jab.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Since this is a global pandemic it will be compulsory one day even to travel abroad given their is more than one type of the virus which keeps mutating each country has a responsibility to protect their nation so it's going to be no jab no travel to control the flow of the virusthere will be a way around it. Money talks and there will be a Sr out there who will sign you off as having a jab when really you havnt. There used to be a Dr in chorley who gave you anythin you wanted..Dr bora he was called . "

Only one way around and that would be 6 feet under or up in smoke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

also im self employed and work for myself so nobodys ever goin to force me so I'm always winning "

Do you vote? Genuine question.

Because you do know that any government can reform the benefits system at any time? Even if you could get away with what you suggest you could, do you really want to be that kind of person?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

also im self employed and work for myself so nobodys ever goin to force me so I'm always winning

Do you vote? Genuine question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

also im self employed and work for myself so nobodys ever goin to force me so I'm always winning

Do you vote? Genuine question.

I feel bad for you mate. It’s not healthy to have so much hate and mistrust in your life y’know. I understand your point of view but I feel kinda sad for you as I see living that way very limiting

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

So it should

If you don't care for others why should we care about you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

also im self employed and work for myself so nobodys ever goin to force me so I'm always winning

Do you vote? Genuine question.

Because you do know that any government can reform the benefits system at any time? Even if you could get away with what you suggest you could, do you really want to be that kind of person? "
and what kind of person would I be ? Dishonest ..well being a good honest person doesn't get you anywhere . Lifes a game you have to play it to your advantage to get anywhere. If that means bending a few rules then so be it. Anyone who is someone has at some point bent the rules or used the system to there advantage

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over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

also im self employed and work for myself so nobodys ever goin to force me so I'm always winning

Do you vote? Genuine question.

Because you do know that any government can reform the benefits system at any time? Even if you could get away with what you suggest you could, do you really want to be that kind of person? and what kind of person would I be ? Dishonest ..well being a good honest person doesn't get you anywhere . Lifes a game you have to play it to your advantage to get anywhere. If that means bending a few rules then so be it. Anyone who is someone has at some point bent the rules or used the system to there advantage "

I guess that depends on your interpretation of ‘being someone’. Some people are content with trying to live in harmony with others and not motivated by money. But thankfully we are not all the same as it would be a boring world. For another thread, I think. All the best x

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So it should

If you don't care for others why should we care about you?"
iv not asked anyone 2 . And im perfectly fine with my life and everythin iv got . Look after no1 and everythin else falls into place . Don't be a sheep be your own person and answer to nobody

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

It would appear that the conspiracy theories are rapidly turning into facts.

This Covid1984 nonesense stops when we decide it does.

Distrust the government.

Avoid mass media.

Fight the lies."

Says fight the lies, whilst posting lies.

THE IRONY!

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"So it should

If you don't care for others why should we care about you?iv not asked anyone 2 . And im perfectly fine with my life and everythin iv got . Look after no1 and everythin else falls into place . Don't be a sheep be your own person and answer to nobody "

And in that sentence it proves that you are the sheep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple.

its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle

All that lies and deceit, actually commiting fraud (and seemingly proud of it) just so you don't have to get vaccinated.

Marvellous.

He doesn't have to get vaccinated.

That's his point.

but he is wrong..if his job role states he needs to be vaccinated then he has no choice but to do it or bugger off frankly..

It's less of a done deal than a new employee because they won't have a leg to stand on if they want to follow a particular profession. No one can complain about that.

also im self employed and work for myself so nobodys ever goin to force me so I'm always winning

Do you vote? Genuine question.

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is it eck limiting it's the best way to be. And I just don't trust or believe anything I see or hear cos people lie. I make decisions on my own and its served me well so far. I'm strong minded , im smarter than people give me credit for. Just cos I see things from a diffrent point of view doesn't mean I'm wrong. And overall I don't try and force my beliefs onto others. Each to there own and its good to be individual and be true to yourself, forget wot everyone else is doing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So it should

And in that sentence it proves that you are the sheep

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How do you figure that out ?

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"So it should

And in that sentence it proves that you are the sheep

How do you figure that out ? "

If you think that living a benefit lifestyle is a life and that an attitude that only you matter, well enough said really.

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over a year ago

"So it should

And in that sentence it proves that you are the sheep

How do you figure that out ?

If you think that living a benefit lifestyle is a life and that an attitude that only you matter, well enough said really."
do you read and take in what iv been saying. Or do you just hear what you want to hear ?? I said if the government made it compulsory to have the jab or loose your job. I would loose my job and just live off the state. Go bak and read it all. There's ways to get around it and I won't be dictated 2 so I was saying how it would play out

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"So it should

And in that sentence it proves that you are the sheep

How do you figure that out ?

If you think that living a benefit lifestyle is a life and that an attitude that only you matter, well enough said really.do you read and take in what iv been saying. Or do you just hear what you want to hear ?? I said if the government made it compulsory to have the jab or loose your job. I would loose my job and just live off the state. Go bak and read it all. There's ways to get around it and I won't be dictated 2 so I was saying how it would play out "

So you are saying rather than have a jab you would lose you job and go on benefits.

So you would take money from us that choose to have the jab and get our lives back?

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Should also be if a person has not taken precautions to protect themselves from the virus like taking the vaccine you shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment should you becomes infected but if a person did get infected would call the emergency services for help but why do that as you'll be spreading the virus that you have

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

What a load of bloody crap written on these threads ... refusing people medical treatment some people need to give their heads a wobble

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

In the UK statistically we are four times more likely to catch an STI than covid

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"In the UK statistically we are four times more likely to catch an STI than covid "

And 99% likely to recover from it

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By *lderone1Man
over a year ago

Cheadle hulme, Cheadle, Cheshire

Saw a sign on a road bollard today that says: "Vaccine Passport = Police State"

FFS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So it should

And in that sentence it proves that you are the sheep

How do you figure that out ?

So you are saying rather than have a jab you would lose you job and go on benefits.

So you would take money from us that choose to have the jab and get our lives back?"
can you read ? Do you have a basic understanding off the words iam writing? Yes this is what I would do if the government tried to force me into having a jab. And I wouldn't feel bad about takin money off anyone after all the government love takin money off me so wots good for the goose is good for the gander. Wot the Lord giveth the Lord taketh away ?? its the same that all my taxes are paying for everyone now who is on the sick or at uni gettin grants. Or for lots of things that the tax payer pays for so why can't I claim something bak when I'm entitled to it. And all this is only hypothetical you know. It's what the thread was about

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

So, if there was a jab to protect you from all STI’s

Would you take that?

Mrs M this time, never posted here before.

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over a year ago

"Should also be if a person has not taken precautions to protect themselves from the virus like taking the vaccine you shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment should you becomes infected but if a person did get infected would call the emergency services for help but why do that as you'll be spreading the virus that you have "
iv got covid now apparently but im not running to the drs whinging about it. And I pay my taxes and national insurance so that's why I can get treated . Next smart arse comment please!!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Back on topic...

So some people totally support the idea of “no jab no job” and others say this is wrong due to a lack of understanding or data on long term health implications of the vaccines.

How about this.

Any company making it mandatory for employees to have the vaccine also have it written into contracts that should any employee develop ANY health condition as a result of the vaccine, the company are libel to provide all necessary financial support for as long as that health condition continues including full salary and medical treatment costs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, if there was a jab to protect you from all STI’s

Would you take that?

Mrs M this time, never posted here before."
nope iv never had a vaccination for anything. When iv been on holiday iv never had a jab. Life is life and wot is meant to be is meant to be

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Back on topic...

So some people totally support the idea of “no jab no job” and others say this is wrong due to a lack of understanding or data on long term health implications of the vaccines.

How about this.

No because it will be abused just like benefits are.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

From someone who has been very ill you should see that you have been very fortunate in your life.

Without the NHS I wouldn’t be here today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bloody crap written on these threads ... refusing people medical treatment some people need to give their heads a wobble

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I know pmsl I don't think he thought that 1 through did he. Dik tator in the making lol

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Should also be if a person has not taken precautions to protect themselves from the virus like taking the vaccine you shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment should you becomes infected but if a person did get infected would call the emergency services for help but why do that as you'll be spreading the virus that you have iv got covid now apparently but im not running to the drs whinging about it. And I pay my taxes and national insurance so that's why I can get treated . Next smart arse comment please!!"

Just because a person pays tax or mi in a pandemic still doesn't give a person to receive treatment when you have refused the chance of not being infected id send them to the Bermuda triangle or even the moon

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Just like by law you have to notify the government where each person lives they can enforce anything they own you and can stop anything even make you homeless or say that you are insane

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back on topic...

So some people totally support the idea of “no jab no job” and others say this is wrong due to a lack of understanding or data on long term health implications of the vaccines.

How about this.

Aren’t there already laws like this?…Which would only be necessary if you were forced to have the vaccine. Remember, it’s your choice to work there, therefore your choice to have the vaccine. But yes, you could try and sue if you had enough money to do so, or got union backing/collective status.

Anyway, employers would have whatever sickness policy and pay scheme that they currently have. They’re not going to write a separate one for Covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should also be if a person has not taken precautions to protect themselves from the virus like taking the vaccine you shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment should you becomes infected but if a person did get infected would call the emergency services for help but why do that as you'll be spreading the virus that you have iv got covid now apparently but im not running to the drs whinging about it. And I pay my taxes and national insurance so that's why I can get treated . Next smart arse comment please!!

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I pay tax and ni all the time not just in a pandemic . And how much money would it cost you to send someone to the moon just cos they don't do as you say?? Bad business that mate you'd soon run out of money and how funny will it be when more vaccinated people end up sicker than the none vaccinated people. It's goin to happen watch this space the rockerfella foundation wrote this 10 years ago. You do know who the rockerfellas are don't you ?

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By *w-StudMan
over a year ago

manchster

oh dear sounds like you would make a good dictator

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just like by law you have to notify the government where each person lives they can enforce anything they own you and can stop anything even make you homeless or say that you are insane"
not true that nobody is owned unless you let yourself be owned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should also be if a person has not taken precautions to protect themselves from the virus like taking the vaccine you shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment should you becomes infected but if a person did get infected would call the emergency services for help but why do that as you'll be spreading the virus that you have iv got covid now apparently but im not running to the drs whinging about it. And I pay my taxes and national insurance so that's why I can get treated . Next smart arse comment please!!

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So I'm guessing with your way of thinkin that smokers shouldn't get cancer treatment or alcholics shouldn't get liver or kidney transplants. ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So people who worked through the pandemic keeping people sustained if they refuse the vaccine they should not have a job. A year ago they where hailed now well...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should also be if a person has not taken precautions to protect themselves from the virus like taking the vaccine you shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment should you becomes infected but if a person did get infected would call the emergency services for help but why do that as you'll be spreading the virus that you have iv got covid now apparently but im not running to the drs whinging about it. And I pay my taxes and national insurance so that's why I can get treated . Next smart arse comment please!!

So I'm guessing with your way of thinkin that smokers shouldn't get cancer treatment or alcholics shouldn't get liver or kidney transplants. ??"

They’re not prioritised over non smokers, in most cases, especially if there’s a shortage of treatment if whatever type it is. Did you know that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Human rights.. Do will still have any now we are out of the E.U. Sick pay changes, no paid breaks. Things that are likely to affect your livelihood all coming into place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So people who worked through the pandemic keeping people sustained if they refuse the vaccine they should not have a job. A year ago they where hailed now well..."
good point

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over a year ago

"Human rights.. Do will still have any now we are out of the E.U. Sick pay changes, no paid breaks. Things that are likely to affect your livelihood all coming into place"

Yes, you (we) do, and have more than most countries. As far as I’m aware there are no changes to SSP, in fact you are permitted to use furlough pay if you need to self isolate and your employer wants to put you on furlough.

Who has been paying your breaks? It’s not a statutory right.

What is likely to affect your livelihood? Can you elaborate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should also be if a person has not taken precautions to protect themselves from the virus like taking the vaccine you shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment should you becomes infected but if a person did get infected would call the emergency services for help but why do that as you'll be spreading the virus that you have iv got covid now apparently but im not running to the drs whinging about it. And I pay my taxes and national insurance so that's why I can get treated . Next smart arse comment please!!

So I'm guessing with your way of thinkin that smokers shouldn't get cancer treatment or alcholics shouldn't get liver or kidney transplants. ??

They’re not prioritised over non smokers, in most cases, especially if there’s a shortage of treatment if whatever type it is. Did you know that?"
nope I didn't know , im just asking the guy if this is how he thinks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So people who worked through the pandemic keeping people sustained if they refuse the vaccine they should not have a job. A year ago they where hailed now well...good point "

I understand people will feel hurt and angry about this, but this is about the sick people, not the workers who care for them. The emphasis is on protecting the sick and it’s an unfortunate consequence that some people (very few) may lose the job they love because of their personal views and life choices. But that’s why we live in a free country, so we have the choice to have the vaccine or not.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Should also be if a person has not taken precautions to protect themselves from the virus like taking the vaccine you shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment should you becomes infected but if a person did get infected would call the emergency services for help but why do that as you'll be spreading the virus that you have iv got covid now apparently but im not running to the drs whinging about it. And I pay my taxes and national insurance so that's why I can get treated . Next smart arse comment please!!

I pay tax and ni all the time not just in a pandemic . And how much money would it cost you to send someone to the moon just cos they don't do as you say?? Bad business that mate you'd soon run out of money and how funny will it be when more vaccinated people end up sicker than the none vaccinated people. It's goin to happen watch this space the rockerfella foundation wrote this 10 years ago. You do know who the rockerfellas are don't you ? "

Nostradamus predicted it decades ago you do know who he was how many of his predictions have happened yes he wrote in riddles but still make sense we are in a pandemic which he predicted

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Back on topic...

So some people totally support the idea of “no jab no job” and others say this is wrong due to a lack of understanding or data on long term health implications of the vaccines.

How about this.

No because it will be abused just like benefits are."

So you are saying no shared accountability? All responsibility and risk lies with the employee and not the employer?

The employer can force someone to have something put in their body or else lose their job (it is NOT a choice to work, we all need to eat) but if it goes wrong then tough luck to the employee?

Surely if the vaccines are so safe (not commenting if they are or not just talking in the no jab no job context) then what does the employer fear?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Back on topic...

So some people totally support the idea of “no jab no job” and others say this is wrong due to a lack of understanding or data on long term health implications of the vaccines.

How about this.

Anyway, employers would have whatever sickness policy and pay scheme that they currently have. They’re not going to write a separate one for Covid."

No there are not already laws like this. Why not have a new sickness and policy? In this no jab no job scenario that is a new policy!

So you are saying no shared accountability? All responsibility and risk lies with the employee and not the employer?

The employer can force someone to have something put in their body or else lose their job (it is NOT a choice to work, we all need to eat) but if it goes wrong then tough luck to the employee?

Surely if the vaccines are so safe (not commenting if they are or not just talking in the no jab no job context) then what does the employer fear?

As for suing the employer then good luck! The Tory govt removed legal aid for most cases. Nobody can afford it anymore!

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over a year ago

"Back on topic...

So some people totally support the idea of “no jab no job” and others say this is wrong due to a lack of understanding or data on long term health implications of the vaccines.

How about this.

Anyway, employers would have whatever sickness policy and pay scheme that they currently have. They’re not going to write a separate one for Covid.

No there are not already laws like this. Why not have a new sickness and policy? In this no jab no job scenario that is a new policy!

So you are saying no shared accountability? All responsibility and risk lies with the employee and not the employer?

The employer can force someone to have something put in their body or else lose their job (it is NOT a choice to work, we all need to eat) but if it goes wrong then tough luck to the employee?

Surely if the vaccines are so safe (not commenting if they are or not just talking in the no jab no job context) then what does the employer fear?

As for suing the employer then good luck! The Tory govt removed legal aid for most cases. Nobody can afford it anymore!"

Point 1. Mate, my question was rhetorical. My point is there *are* laws like this already in place. Have you never heard of personal injury claims?

2. Because there’s no legal requirement for a company to change their sick pay policy, unless legislation requires it, which it won’t, because personal injury claims will cover that topic.

3. Yes, partly... I am saying that, because they are protecting the sick and vulnerable. The emphasis is on protecting the sick. So if you *choose* not to have the vaccine then you become a liability and your employment is no longer tenable, so you need to find another type of job or you will be dismissed. It is legal to do that y’know?

4. Yes like I said if you can afford to sue then give it a go.

5. The threshold/criteria for legal aid have been tightened for most things for a very long time, this is nothing new. There’s no surprise waiting for you around the corner is my point here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said, not about a virus it's about control. And just so people know July 19 lockdown will not be lifted it will go on until we say no!

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over a year ago

"How long till this extends to everyone not just care workers?

well im not avin no jab and if that means I end up with no job then government can pay my rent and benefits so that would be great..money for free

Single man, no children, you'll get just over £300 a month.

And if you live in anything other than a 1 bedroom property, all of your rent won't be paid.

The difference will have to come out of the £300 odd.

Makes me laugh, the things people will say to try and justify a position, without knowing the consequences.

On what basis do you plan to claim ESA and PIP?

Housing Benefit no longer exists per se and Council Tax payments vary by area and many only pay full Council Tax to Pensioners.

Nitaplay the whole mental health card I think would be best

Thankfully, it's not that simple. its so easy trust me you just have to go down the right chanel and fill your forms in correctly. They send for you 2 go for a interview, then you go for a medical and bobs your uncle "

Its blagging people like you who have made it fucking difficult for all the people with genuine mental health conditions to get the help and support they actually need.

Nowadays you need a lot of supporting information for your GP, and Mental Health support services Mind, Foxrush and similar to have a chance at getting PIP for Mental Health. Oh and most have to wait sometimes a year to go tribunal to finally be awarded it. Then its only awarded for a year or 2 before the whole cycle starts again!

Oh and I have worked as a support Officer representing cases at PIP, ESA medicals and tribunals so I speak from direct experience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There not safe just look at the yellow card reporting system on the gove website. Its there fore people to see! Don't stick your head in the sand and look for yourself not what the BBC tells you!

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"So it should

If you don't care for others why should we care about you?"

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"There not safe just look at the yellow card reporting system on the gove website. Its there fore people to see! Don't stick your head in the sand and look for yourself not what the BBC tells you!"

Vaccines come with risks, contracting illness comes with risks. If you actually understood the data from the yellow card system you would see the balance of risk remains clearly in favour of vaccination.