FabSwingers.com forum: Anti-vaxxers lives made more difficult

By *exy_Horny OP Couple
over a year ago

Leigh

Vaccines to be made compulsory for care home workers.

Ireland relaxes entry rules more for double vaccinated people.

Excellent news on both counts. Hopefully it will continue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good. Vaccines are already compulsory in care homes. Before I even started in care, I had to provide my vaccination record and have a hep B jab because I didn't have one. Covid jabs should be no different.

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By *icence_2_Thrill_006.9Man
over a year ago

Sex Bi The Sea

Exactly People are ‘So offended and entitled’ and see it as something against their civil liberties. If people had followed the rules and applied some common sense for example going away for a holiday!! We would be out of this sooner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good. Vaccines are already compulsory in care homes. Before I even started in care, I had to provide my vaccination record and have a hep B jab because I didn't have one. Covid jabs should be no different. "

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record. "

Hi. I was just wondering if you took the jab, fell ill from taking it and subsequently had to take lots of time off or worse.. would your employer be liable for damages, sick pay etc? I assume that if you're forced by your employer to take the jab then they'd be in the frame if something bad happened to you.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I thought you already had to have the jab in these situations. I know I had to agree to it, although I'd already had my first when I started

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

interesting question .I guess some sort if precedent has already been set for this. Lots of doctors and other NHS staff have had to take the Hepc jab as part of their conditions for employment. So it is likely the NHS/Govt have this one covered I should think.

However, we will wait and see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

I honestly have no idea!

Certainly something to think about.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Oakhill

You will be able to have a cruise soon. But shooooosh. Don't tell the passengers where they flew the 600 crew/staff in from.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bexley

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine."

That's limited to £120k is it not and I believe the Covid vaccine companies have been indemnified against any legal action resulting from their vaccines.

The Independent has a very good article on this dated 02.12.20.

Whilst life changing and debilitating side effects may be rare, they are appearing and those suffering from them are precluded from seeking higher damages to cover such things as loss of earnings, ongoing care costs etc.

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

Suck mammys strap-on

Anti vaxxers...so your anti vax because you won't or haven't taken a covid vaccine thanks for the name tag

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

So on the other hand people should have the right to not have a non vaccinated person caring for your relatives

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"So on the other hand people should have the right to not have a non vaccinated person caring for your relatives

that would be reasonable..practicable given the number of people likely to be working in the same place who have already been vaccinated though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst I support the right of people not to have the vaccine, to make them compulsory in a care setting is correct.

I would not want a non vaxer to be providing care for my disabled daughter, unless they were medically exempt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But if you have the vaccine isn’t it supposed to protect you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But if you have the vaccine isn’t it supposed to protect you?"

Research shows it can reduce transmission also. Yes you are much less likely to suffer adverse affects if vaccinated but not 100%. If both people vaccinated better than one. Well that's what the research is pointing at

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

However, we will wait and see. "

Check out Pandemrix. I believe when Swineflu hit this was speeded through the approvals process for emergency use. Made compulsory for NHS workers. 000s developed narcolepsy.

GSK now facing lawsuits a decade later. Not sure about the employer (NHS).

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By *ircumalot-ladycumcatcherCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

A few dinghies? Really?

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By *teveuk77Man
over a year ago

"But if you have the vaccine isn’t it supposed to protect you?"

you missed the word "help" between "to" and "protect"...

Why is it, after all this time, people still don't realise that the vaccine, like every other vaccine, doesn't make someone invincible.

I have pointed this out and had others point this out many times so why are people still making this same point?

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated. Whilst doing that, you're increasing the chances of those who are vaccinated but the vaccine wasn't effective, getting it and potentially dying.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

However, we will wait and see.

Check out Pandemrix. I believe when Swineflu hit this was speeded through the approvals process for emergency use. Made compulsory for NHS workers. 000s developed narcolepsy.

Exactly, that's one reason thousands of them refused this vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But if you have the vaccine isn’t it supposed to protect you?

you missed the word "help" between "to" and "protect"...

Why is it, after all this time, people still don't realise that the vaccine, like every other vaccine, doesn't make someone invincible.

I have pointed this out and had others point this out many times so why are people still making this same point?

My post was a question. I haven’t done much research about the vaccine.

I’m also new to posting, thanks for the hostility.

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By *empsey and hotpieceMan
over a year ago

North west

So vaccination becomes a proviso for working in a care home , and some care works refuse the vaccine, that’s their freedom of choice, just find a different vocation if their beliefs are stronger than their job.

It’s like when the cpc became compulsory for truck drivers in 2008, some refused to do it, so they weren’t truck drivers anymore.

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By *teveuk77Man
over a year ago

"But if you have the vaccine isn’t it supposed to protect you?

you missed the word "help" between "to" and "protect"...

Why is it, after all this time, people still don't realise that the vaccine, like every other vaccine, doesn't make someone invincible.

I have pointed this out and had others point this out many times so why are people still making this same point?

My post was a question. I haven’t done much research about the vaccine.

I’m also new to posting, thanks for the hostility. "

apologies. Your question was written exactly how an anti-vaxer would post if they were trying a bit of sarcasm.

Keep posting and ignore me

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But if you have the vaccine isn’t it supposed to protect you?

you missed the word "help" between "to" and "protect"...

Why is it, after all this time, people still don't realise that the vaccine, like every other vaccine, doesn't make someone invincible.

I have pointed this out and had others point this out many times so why are people still making this same point?

My post was a question. I haven’t done much research about the vaccine.

I’m also new to posting, thanks for the hostility.

apologies. Your question was written exactly how an anti-vaxer would post if they were trying a bit of sarcasm.

Keep posting and ignore me

I’m not an anti vaxxer, nor was there any sarcasm in my post. I was asking as I thought that’s what it did from what I’ve heard, I do not know full ins n outs.

Maybe give people the benefit of the doubt before jumping in the deep end with the assumptions.

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When our government stops letting diseased and virus infected asylum seekers into our country I may start listening to their lies and Bullshit. Then again... "

What have asylum seekers got to do with the vaccine

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right. "

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?"

Hahaha its not borne on the wind like pollen, don't be so silly.

The point is some vaccinated people will be at far higher risk than some unvaccinated, and some might take foolish risks feeling themselves invulnerable, like poor hygiene.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?"

Nobody has ever caught this or any other virus off someone who didn’t have it. If it was at Everest Basecamp then it got taken there.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?

Hahaha its not borne on the wind like pollen, don't be so silly.

The point is some vaccinated people will be at far higher risk than some unvaccinated, and some might take foolish risks feeling themselves invulnerable, like poor hygiene.

sorry? I wasn't inplying it was? Airborne meaning it travels in the air..it clearly can survive extreme temperatures and a variety of races being I'll from it..Summertime means more visitors , more travelling and more chance of it being in the air..

so unless you are planning on seeing absolutely no one from any part of the world on your daily business at any point in the future ..you are not going to be immune from it are you ?

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

excuse me!

I don't think I said that ?I said it was airborne which it is..

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?

Hahaha its not borne on the wind like pollen, don't be so silly.

The point is some vaccinated people will be at far higher risk than some unvaccinated, and some might take foolish risks feeling themselves invulnerable, like poor hygiene.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?

Nobody has ever caught this or any other virus off someone who didn’t have it. If it was at Everest Basecamp then it got taken there."

obviously

*tuts

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?

Hahaha its not borne on the wind like pollen, don't be so silly.

The point is some vaccinated people will be at far higher risk than some unvaccinated, and some might take foolish risks feeling themselves invulnerable, like poor hygiene.

I think you mistook my meaning..thats not what I meant at all .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too."

If that's true which as far as needing to get people to change is concerned then anti vaxxers are actually the stubborn mule obstacle in the way of the world resrarting..festivals, theatres, live music , sporting events..and one day not having to wear a mask everywhere you go.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Yes I would but as this is not in any way a cure and as it is not in any way a cancer I won't bother thanks.

Back to your protesting outside butchers shops now

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Dear oh deary me, did you have the Nazi version of the jab or something lol? You do know that fully vaccinated people are becoming infected, hospitalised and dying still?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too."

Au contraire cheri, the self- righteous vaccinated are the only ones proposing coercion, the more humane consider personal choice the better path.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

Au contraire cheri, the self- righteous vaccinated are the only ones proposing coercion, the more humane consider personal choice the better path."

Ermm.. read it again honey

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Dear oh deary me, did you have the Nazi version of the jab or something lol? You do know that fully vaccinated people are becoming infected, hospitalised and dying still? "

Sorry..but either I'm not very good at explaining myself or you arent very good at understanding my meaning ?

what has that answer got to do with my comment about live music and sporting events? I am fully aware of what fully vaccinated means and as I'm sure you are perfectly aware this is NOT about people dying !

kindly stop stating the bleeding obvious

thanks ever so

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Dear oh deary me, did you have the Nazi version of the jab or something lol? You do know that fully vaccinated people are becoming infected, hospitalised and dying still? "
but in the minority to those unvaccinated.. and infections are mostly in the unvaccinated. There is now more under 40s with covid than over it.

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By *aramelloMan
over a year ago

Walsall

The real issue is that we (anti vaxxers) are not against vaccinations or doing our small bit in the world for the greater good.

We just don’t believe a word the government says when they claim to have our, the people’s interest at heart.

Boris Johnson alone has lied so many times about referendum policy, emissions, bursary’s and many more, let alone previous prime ministers or world leaders.

Just because he went to Eton and is now prime minister, why would I believe a man who lies? How many times will you allow a friend or associate to lie to you before you hold them accountable?

There are so many examples in history where the government have shown THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US!!

Hold leaders accountable for their lies and maybe they’ll stop lying. And then we’ll start listening.

So many examples I could list but some people are so immersed in this false narrative I’d be wasting my time.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?

Hahaha its not borne on the wind like pollen, don't be so silly.

The point is some vaccinated people will be at far higher risk than some unvaccinated, and some might take foolish risks feeling themselves invulnerable, like poor hygiene.

so unless you are planning on seeing absolutely no one from any part of the world on your daily business at any point in the future ..you are not going to be immune from it are you ?"

Maybe moreso than you though, regardless.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Dear oh deary me, did you have the Nazi version of the jab or something lol? You do know that fully vaccinated people are becoming infected, hospitalised and dying still?

Sorry..but either I'm not very good at explaining myself or you arent very good at understanding my meaning ?

Or thirdly, I disagree and dispute it.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Dear oh deary me, did you have the Nazi version of the jab or something lol? You do know that fully vaccinated people are becoming infected, hospitalised and dying still?

Sorry..but either I'm not very good at explaining myself or you arent very good at understanding my meaning ?

Or thirdly, I disagree and dispute it. "

yet haven't offered any answer reply or argument of substance?

saying it's ' not fair' is not enough..I shant reply again .

Have a nice evening .

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Dear oh deary me, did you have the Nazi version of the jab or something lol? You do know that fully vaccinated people are becoming infected, hospitalised and dying still? but in the minority to those unvaccinated.. and infections are mostly in the unvaccinated. There is now more under 40s with covid than over it. "

Of course there are, it's mostly a bunch of kids putting up case numbers, and they're all unvaccinated (rightly so)!

Of the hospitalised, the majority are vaccinated.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Of course there are, it's mostly a bunch of kids putting up case numbers, and they're all unvaccinated (rightly so)!

Of the hospitalised, the majority are vaccinated. "
again not true x

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Dear oh deary me, did you have the Nazi version of the jab or something lol? You do know that fully vaccinated people are becoming infected, hospitalised and dying still?

Sorry..but either I'm not very good at explaining myself or you arent very good at understanding my meaning ?

Or thirdly, I disagree and dispute it.

yet haven't offered any answer reply or argument of substance?

saying it's ' not fair' is not enough..I shant reply again .

Have a nice evening ."

Haha I never in my life argued 'Not fair'.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Of course there are, it's mostly a bunch of kids putting up case numbers, and they're all unvaccinated (rightly so)!

Of the hospitalised, the majority are vaccinated. "

Not in this region, about 15-20% have had 1 dose the majority have had zero..

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

Check out Pandemrix. I believe when Swineflu hit this was speeded through the approvals process for emergency use. Made compulsory for NHS workers. 000s developed narcolepsy.

GSK now facing lawsuits a decade later. Not sure about the employer (NHS)."

The legal cases around Pandermix are a totally different issue - the issue there is that the problems WERE known about before the vaccine was rolled out.

That's not remotely the same as rare reactions.

Also the main currently ongoing court proceedings here in the UK are actually against the DWP as they have repeatedly refused to see Narcolepsy as a significant injury or disability - that's why people are still having to fight for compensation.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

Also Narcolepsy UK, the main Narcolepsy charity in the UK, believe around 120 people are affected by Pandermix narcolepsy.

It's not in the many 000s thankfully.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Of course there are, it's mostly a bunch of kids putting up case numbers, and they're all unvaccinated (rightly so)!

Of the hospitalised, the majority are vaccinated. "

Total mis-information at its finest.

Care to back that up with a source of real world data?

The overwhelming majority of those in hospital are not vaxxed and in an age group where they had the chance to be.

There is a minority of single dose vaccinated in hospital as well. It's this data that shows have important 2 doses is in protecting against the India / delta variant. It's also why the vaccine programme is heavily focusing on as many 2nd jobs as possible during the next month.

There has been 1 case reported where a person with 2 jabs who was also past the 2 week window after the 2nd jab who has died from covid. They were in thier 80s and very frail with multiple health issues.

When did 1 case become the majority??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take a very dim view of anyone trying to stop me and my loved ones having a normal life

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Check out Pandemrix. I believe when Swineflu hit this was speeded through the approvals process for emergency use. Made compulsory for NHS workers. 000s developed narcolepsy.

GSK now facing lawsuits a decade later. Not sure about the employer (NHS).

The legal cases around Pandermix are a totally different issue - the issue there is that the problems WERE known about before the vaccine was rolled out.

That's not remotely the same as rare reactions.

No not identical but the BMJ has this to say which is interesting and provides ammo to those who don’t trust either big pharma or Govts...

“In October 2009, the US National Institutes of Health infectious diseases chief, Anthony Fauci, appeared on YouTube to reassure Americans about the safety of the “swine flu” vaccine. “The track record for serious adverse events is very good. It’s very, very, very rare that you ever see anything that’s associated with the vaccine that’s a serious event,” he said.

Four months earlier, the World Health Organization had declared H1N1 influenza a pandemic, and by October 2009 the new vaccines were being rolled out across the world. A similar story was playing out in the UK, with prominent organisations, including the Department of Health, British Medical Association, and Royal Colleges of General Practitioners, working hard to convince a reluctant NHS workforce to get vaccinated.2 “We fully support the swine flu vaccination programme … The vaccine has been thoroughly tested,” they declared in a joint statement.

Except, it hadn’t. Anticipating a severe influenza pandemic, governments around the world had made various logistical and legal arrangements to shorten the time between recognition of a pandemic virus and the production of a vaccine and administration of that vaccine in the population. In Europe, one element of those plans was an agreement to grant licences to pandemic vaccines based on data from pre-pandemic “mock-up” vaccines produced using a different virus (H5N1 influenza). Another element, adopted by countries such as Canada, the US, UK, France, and Germany, was to provide vaccine manufacturers indemnity from liability for wrongdoing, thereby reducing the risk of a lawsuit stemming from vaccine related injury.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion. "

It's called protecting the vulnerable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

But you are forced.

You have a choice, you can look for other work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion. "

No but there are plenty of laws in place to protect the vulnerable and this is just another one.

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY

Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion.

It's called protecting the vulnerable. "

And allowing society to begin to open up..

I would assume that the most ardent anti vaxxers will take full advantage of such positives as we move forward, merely switching to another face as they do so..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!"

Highly strung!!!!

And also maybe look at the real guidelines for face covering exemption.

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY

"Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!

Highly strung!!!!

And also maybe look at the real guidelines for face covering exemption.

I named my source, yours is?

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY

"Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!

Highly strung!!!!

And also maybe look at the real guidelines for face covering exemption.

Also, you seem to take exception to 'highly strung'. I thought I was being subdued in my description. What would you call someone, who would hurt themselves or another by wearing a mask?

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Of course there are, it's mostly a bunch of kids putting up case numbers, and they're all unvaccinated (rightly so)!

Of the hospitalised, the majority are vaccinated. again not true x"

Yep not true,stats and facts are there to be seen for all who chooses to do so....

Ppl get infected from doing the basic things day to day like shopping and going to the garage to get fuel even when they think there keeping there wits about em...its not just at workplaces and at homes...ya just never know.

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Of course there are, it's mostly a bunch of kids putting up case numbers, and they're all unvaccinated (rightly so)!

Of the hospitalised, the majority are vaccinated.

Not in this region, about 15-20% have had 1 dose the majority have had zero.."

1 dose isnt fully vacinated(unless gheyve had the j&j shot...though UK wide its not in use atm) and it takes around 3 weeks for antibodies to kick in,though % better of from getting seriously ill or dying than not having any if you get covid

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex

Purely as a thought experiment

I wonder how peoples ideals and believes would change if the choice between two mandatory injections was “vaccine OR virus?”

What percentage would switch camps from “it’s a conspiracy/hoax” to “it’s a civil liberties infringement” and from “no me, no never” to “ok but I don’t like it”

*my believe is that one can have but not like it and still be socially responsible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Purely as a thought experiment

I wonder how peoples ideals and believes would change if the choice between two mandatory injections was “vaccine OR virus?”

What percentage would switch camps from “it’s a conspiracy/hoax” to “it’s a civil liberties infringement” and from “no me, no never” to “ok but I don’t like it”

*my believe is that one can have but not like it and still be socially responsible. "

Interesting question.

The vaccine itself you can still contract the virus and pass it onto others albeit transmission will be lower.

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

"Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!

Highly strung!!!!

And also maybe look at the real guidelines for face covering exemption.

Also, you seem to take exception to 'highly strung'. I thought I was being subdued in my description. What would you call someone, who would hurt themselves or another by wearing a mask? "

On a lighter note....the only 2 names i can think of is jason voorhees(friday the 13th)wearing his ice hockey mask and micheal myers

wearing a white out william shatner mask lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sign of things to come?

(For entertainment only)

https://youtu.be/GB62Yu5Xp40

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!

Highly strung!!!!

And also maybe look at the real guidelines for face covering exemption.

Also, you seem to take exception to 'highly strung'. I thought I was being subdued in my description. What would you call someone, who would hurt themselves or another by wearing a mask?

On a lighter note....the only 2 names i can think of is jason voorhees(friday the 13th)wearing his ice hockey mask and micheal myers

wearing a white out william shatner mask lol

Imagine mike Myers rocking down the street with that mask and in that get up nowadays!!! He’s getting fucked up !

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Of course there are, it's mostly a bunch of kids putting up case numbers, and they're all unvaccinated (rightly so)!

Of the hospitalised, the majority are vaccinated. again not true x

Yep not true,stats and facts are there to be seen for all who chooses to do so....

Well then they obviously weren't following an appropriate protocol. I can't be bothered to find the reference - there is a hilarious clip of a BBC presenter reading out the hospitalisation stats and nearly choking on them because they didn't follow the narrative... but no matter. The third wave projection consisted of largely vaccinated groups.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”."

But the evidence shows otherwise.

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By *atelotmanMan
over a year ago

Chatham

"But if you have the vaccine isn’t it supposed to protect you?

you missed the word "help" between "to" and "protect"...

Why is it, after all this time, people still don't realise that the vaccine, like every other vaccine, doesn't make someone invincible.

I have pointed this out and had others point this out many times so why are people still making this same point?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise. "

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet.

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

I guarantee if this was a cure for cancer and you had it you would be first in line for the jab!

Of course there are, it's mostly a bunch of kids putting up case numbers, and they're all unvaccinated (rightly so)!

Of the hospitalised, the majority are vaccinated. again not true x

Yep not true,stats and facts are there to be seen for all who chooses to do so....

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet."

Can you provide links please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!

Highly strung!!!!

And also maybe look at the real guidelines for face covering exemption.

I named my source, yours is?"

The government website

children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)

people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability

where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress

if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate

to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ? including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity

police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!

Highly strung!!!!

And also maybe look at the real guidelines for face covering exemption.

Also, you seem to take exception to 'highly strung'. I thought I was being subdued in my description. What would you call someone, who would hurt themselves or another by wearing a mask? "

I would call them seriously mentally unwell not highly strong however if you look the real guidelines that is not what it says.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”."

Context is everything though.

I am pretty sure the explanation is that the sheer volume of people who are vaccinated is going to be so high in this country, that with c.90% reduction in serious symptoms, the volume means those who still get ill will be vaccinated.

It is a numbers game not a comment on the vaccine being any kind of cause.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet.

Can you provide links please?"

Nope, you'll have to do your own research.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

Context is everything though.

It is a numbers game not a comment on the vaccine being any kind of cause."

I assume so, I simply offer it to counter the narrative that "the unvaccinated will filling ICU and keeping us all from our freedom".

Mind you, I do also note that it would be a great cover for a wave of ADE.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet.

Can you provide links please?

Nope, you'll have to do your own research. "

So you are making it up?

Why is it people with outlandish claims can never provide a source.

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By *issLipsandhipsWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere

Can't even get away from this shit on a swinging website *yawn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't even get away from this shit on a swinging website *yawn

You can, the virus section does not have to be entered.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

Context is everything though.

It is a numbers game not a comment on the vaccine being any kind of cause."
by this time next month I'd imagine most being hospitalised or dying will be vaccinated as there will soon be more vaccinated than not

However currently that is not the case and the majority of those taken seriously ill with covid have been those that have not had both vaccinations

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet.

Can you provide links please?

Nope, you'll have to do your own research.

So you are making it up?

Why is it people with outlandish claims can never provide a source.

Links she is talking about are not on the allowed list, if you use google you will see what she is talking about

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet.

Can you provide links please?

Nope, you'll have to do your own research.

So you are making it up?

No, I just don't keep lists of data sources for lazy people on sex sites.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet.

Can you provide links please?

Nope, you'll have to do your own research.

So you are making it up?

Why is it people with outlandish claims can never provide a source.

Links she is talking about are not on the allowed list, if you use google you will see what she is talking about"

Thank you Ruggers.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet.

Can you provide links please?

Nope, you'll have to do your own research.

So you are making it up?

Why is it people with outlandish claims can never provide a source.

Links she is talking about are not on the allowed list, if you use google you will see what she is talking about"

I have googled it and everything I found has been twisted by her to suit her anti vax narrative.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

This makes interesting reading (no seriously it does). In particular table 5 page 13.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/993879/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_15.pdf

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"This makes interesting reading (no seriously it does). In particular table 5 page 13.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/993879/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_15.pdf"

*compare Alpha with Delta

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

I’m torn on it for a number of reasons but intend to go back and read this thread to help clarify a few things. I say all the rest as someone who has been double vaccinated myself

Protecting the vulnerable and the most at risk wasn’t top of the agenda during the whole PPE scandal. Why now when large % of the population are vaccinated and in many care homes over 90% have been.

I’m not sure i agree with the argument that you can just get another job. A) we know it’s not that simple and b) what if they change sectors and the criteria shifts again

When you think about that sector as a whole they are massively underpaid, under resourced and overworked. They are some of the poorest in society and treated as such

Care staff today, who next?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet.

Can you provide links please?

Nope, you'll have to do your own research.

So you are making it up?

Why is it people with outlandish claims can never provide a source.

Links she is talking about are not on the allowed list, if you use google you will see what she is talking about

I have googled it and everything I found has been twisted by her to suit her anti vax narrative. "

I am pointing out where she is getting information from as someone was accusing her of making it up what she is saying. I am not joining in the conversation

However, if this was happening then it wouldn't be the first time, by lots of people, all people can do is make your own judgements and not assume everyone will think like yourself

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

I'd be genuinely interested to know why a significant portion of the carers will not take the vaccine. But I don't want to read the ridiculous points like 'its my body my choice' or 'I have personal reasons'. Seriously, is it just a question of discussing it with them and talking it through. If they are at and treated like they are at the bottom of the care industry - perhaps it is just a bit of persuasion and careful reasoning that they need.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I'd be genuinely interested to know why a significant portion of the carers will not take the vaccine. But I don't want to read the ridiculous points like 'its my body my choice' or 'I have personal reasons'. Seriously, is it just a question of discussing it with them and talking it through. If they are at and treated like they are at the bottom of the care industry - perhaps it is just a bit of persuasion and careful reasoning that they need. "

I think most are taking it arent they?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Yes, I think education is important, I think the benefits and rusks ought to be laid out and explained.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I think most are taking it arent they?"

I think that's what the data shows, people refusing the vaccine are a minority.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Yes, I think education is important, I think the benefits and rusks ought to be laid out and explained. "

If you lay out the rusks count me in. Always liked rusks even as an adult!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?"

You know Everest Base Camp is hardly the most un inhabitabed area right. The place is a Tourist park

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Yes, I think education is important, I think the benefits and rusks ought to be laid out and explained.

If you lay out the rusks count me in. Always liked rusks even as an adult!"

my auto correct hates me

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I never had to declare any vaccinations when I worked in a care home?? X

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

By not getting vaccinated, you are contributing to the overall spread among the other un-vaccinated.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm currently working in a deer park approximately 500yds from the nearest human being.

And you really think I'm more at risk that 18 stone Bertie-the-self-righteous sitting around all day spewing out his irrational hatred of the unvaccinated to anyone in Wetherspoons who'll listen?

Yeah right.

it's an airborne virus..so it doesn't really matter where you are..they even caught it at Everest base camp..so you know..something to think about ?

You know Everest Base Camp is hardly the most un inhabitabed area right. The place is a Tourist park"

not sure what you mean ?

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over a year ago

"There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion.

It's called protecting the vulnerable. "

It’s called coercion and at the moment is illegal

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion.

It's called protecting the vulnerable.

It’s called coercion and at the moment is illegal "

It really is just protecting the vulnerable, I wouldn't want someone unvaccinated looking after my vulnerable relative.

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

Anti-vaxxers thin on the ground then? A private message would be ok - I am genuinely interested.

The fertility issue is interesting but it would also be interesting to hear a properly qualified lady or chap dismissing that one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion.

It's called protecting the vulnerable.

It’s called coercion and at the moment is illegal "

No its not.

Lots of job roles that have requirements, including providing proof of vaccinations.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

"There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion.

It's called protecting the vulnerable.

It’s called coercion and at the moment is illegal "

How is it illegal when there are already mandatory vaccinations for health workers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record. "

We didn't have a pandemic then.

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"There are no laws in place to force anyone to have a jab, it’s just another form of coercion.

It's called protecting the vulnerable.

It’s called coercion and at the moment is illegal

How is it illegal when there are already mandatory vaccinations for health workers?"

Exactly

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine."

They are changing the conditions. It wasn't a condition of employment but now is going to be. I can see massive court cases for anyone getting sacked because they cannot have the vaccination. It's discrimination in the first degree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

Lots of job roles change that conditions and requirements I've had contracts changed after being in a job for 3 years.

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

No it's not. It's protecting the elderly and vulnerable but if people would rather put them at risk maybe they shouldn't be in the care sector anyway

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

There's a huge difference between now being able to have it and choosing not to have it.

Jobs change conditions all the time, they can write up a new contract, if you don't sign it, that's your choice, no more job.

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By *ooljoeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Does the vaccine stop the spread of Covid 19 and how many people have had the vaccine but sadly past away.what is the essence of face mask,hand sanitizer, trace and Track? Why do we bully people into having the vaccine, yet refusing to accept any responsibility. Well,I'm only asking for a friend.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Yes great, that mainly female workers many on the minimum wage doing a back breaking job are threatened like this. Disgusting

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

No it isn't. Read an interesting piece from Pinsent Mason this morning, plus there's plenty more information out there, that employment restrictions caused by "not wanting " the vaccine wouldn't be classed as discrimination. In the US it is ok to insist on vaccination for all "eligable" staff but the majority of businesses are going down the advisory route. Not fully up to date on the uk rules yet.

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Does the vaccine stop the spread of Covid 19 and how many people have had the vaccine but sadly past away.what is the essence of face mask,hand sanitizer, trace and Track? Why do we bully people into having the vaccine, yet refusing to accept any responsibility. Well,I'm only asking for a friend. "

It's not bullying.

It's protecting the vulnerable. How hard is that to understand?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Yes great, that mainly female workers many on the minimum wage doing a back breaking job are threatened like this. Disgusting "

What about the lives they threaten going into work unvaccinated?

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Yes great, that mainly female workers many on the minimum wage doing a back breaking job are threatened like this. Disgusting

What about the lives they threaten going into work unvaccinated?"

Older people were amongst the first to be given the vaccine. You believe the propaganda machine. Residents are more at risk of malnutrition and being left in their own excrement than covid from staff. They run their businesses on low staffing levels resulting in care staff not able to meet individual needs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yup Imperial "The researchers say that most deaths are likely to occur in people who have already been vaccinated,'

And SPIMO "It suggests that the resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths will be “dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine”.

But the evidence shows otherwise.

Not on the clip I saw. And we haven't opened up yet."

Brilliant

The clip you saw

You’re embarrassing yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not bullying.

It's protecting the vulnerable. How hard is that to understand?

If you’re as selfish as these idiots

It’s impossible to understand I’m afraid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Vaccines to be made compulsory for care home workers.

Ireland relaxes entry rules more for double vaccinated people.

Excellent news on both counts. Hopefully it will continue."
lol what a load of bollocks.

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over a year ago

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I've always worked in the care sector, there's always a shortage of staff but it's always made up by agency.

It's protecting people. It's not hard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So on the other hand people should have the right to not have a non vaccinated person caring for your relatives

What about residents in care homes that refuse the jab?

Is it right that the staff have to work with these people? Residents are already allowed out of homes and we have several that go to the shops on their own.

Should we be refusing to let them go shop if they’ve not had the vaccine or just make them find somewhere else to live?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So on the other hand people should have the right to not have a non vaccinated person caring for your relatives

What about residents in care homes that refuse the jab?

Is it right that the staff have to work with these people? Residents are already allowed out of homes and we have several that go to the shops on their own.

Should we be refusing to let them go shop if they’ve not had the vaccine or just make them find somewhere else to live? "

Some care homes have done just that.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

Of course. It’ll be just like the huge swathes of court cases when the Hep B was made mandatory...

Erm...

Or not. Because it’s not remotely discriminatory. People who medically cannot have the vaccine will be covered by medical exemption. People who choose not too will be making a choice.

Was it discriminatory when CRB checks become a condition of employment? Nope. Just a change in conditions.

Was it discriminatory when Hep B vaccine became mandatory? Nope. Just a change in conditions.

Changes in conditions happen all the time.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

"Yes great, that mainly female workers many on the minimum wage doing a back breaking job are threatened like this. Disgusting "

The fact that care work is underpaid, and doesn’t get remotely the respect it deserves, is not a reason to not make a sound safety decision.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

Of course. It’ll be just like the huge swathes of court cases when the Hep B was made mandatory...

Erm...

Or not. Because it’s not remotely discriminatory. People who medically cannot have the vaccine will be covered by medical exemption. People who choose not too will be making a choice.

Was it discriminatory when CRB checks become a condition of employment? Nope. Just a change in conditions.

Was it discriminatory when Hep B vaccine became mandatory? Nope. Just a change in conditions.

Changes in conditions happen all the time."

all of this..additionally there may be some difficulties with current employees .Hiwrvr,there is nothing stopping them making vaccination compulsory for new recruits.. That way no one can complain and every one knows exactly where they stand .

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Yes great, that mainly female workers many on the minimum wage doing a back breaking job are threatened like this. Disgusting

What about the lives they threaten going into work unvaccinated?

We are discussing covid vaccines bot malnutrition. If there's something that can help protect them against a deadly virus, I'm all for it.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Yes great, that mainly female workers many on the minimum wage doing a back breaking job are threatened like this. Disgusting

What about the lives they threaten going into work unvaccinated?

We are discussing covid vaccines bot malnutrition. If there's something that can help protect them against a deadly virus, I'm all for it. "

Not*

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

Lots of job roles change that conditions and requirements I've had contracts changed after being in a job for 3 years."

Lots take industrial action like British Gas.

So that's ok then? Was your change life threatening? Put some care staff out of work will change their lives unbelievably

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

No it's not. It's protecting the elderly and vulnerable but if people would rather put them at risk maybe they shouldn't be in the care sector anyway

How isn't it discrimination?

You must hace an experimental vaccine injected into you or you're out of work.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

Lots of job roles change that conditions and requirements I've had contracts changed after being in a job for 3 years.

Lots take industrial action like British Gas.

So that's ok then? Was your change life threatening? Put some care staff out of work will change their lives unbelievably "

What about the residents of the care homes? Don't they deserve to be protected as much as possible?

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

There's a huge difference between now being able to have it and choosing not to have it.

Jobs change conditions all the time, they can write up a new contract, if you don't sign it, that's your choice, no more job. "

On this, there's no option. Just to let you know that I have had the vaccine but I work with a woman that's done 30+ years and she cannot have any type of injection because her health. So because she will be very poorly or probably anaphylaxis, she gets sacked,

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Anti vaxxers...so your anti vax because you won't or haven't taken a covid vaccine thanks for the name tag

I totally agree with this sentiment.

People are entitled to choose for themselves, that is a basic right. Choosing not to have a vaccination doesn't make you an AntiVaxxer.

AntiVaxxers are the people propagating the misinformation, lies and ludicrous claims to persuade people not to be vaccinated... and join the "cause" of "waking the sheep"

Cal

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

Lots of job roles change that conditions and requirements I've had contracts changed after being in a job for 3 years.

Lots take industrial action like British Gas.

So that's ok then? Was your change life threatening? Put some care staff out of work will change their lives unbelievably

What about the residents of the care homes? Don't they deserve to be protected as much as possible? "

Well according to most on here, they say that the vaccine protects the person who is injected or is that not the case? So does the vaccine not help the residents, the elderly in the care homes?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too."

Like anti murderers.. I mean who do they think they are telling me I shouldn’t slay people if I want to

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Anti anti vaxers are the new vegans

Not happy just deciding for themselves, they feel the need to decide for everyone else too.

Like anti murderers.. I mean who do they think they are telling me I shouldn’t slay people if I want to "

Nothing like comparing apples to submarines....

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

There's a huge difference between now being able to have it and choosing not to have it.

Jobs change conditions all the time, they can write up a new contract, if you don't sign it, that's your choice, no more job.

She would be covered by the health exemption clause. Same as anyone who genuinely can’t have the Hep B vaccine for medical reasons.

If her health is that fragile she genuinely can’t have *any* injections ever then it’s in her best interests that the vast majority of her colleagues vaccinated given the increasing evidence that those vaccinated spread the virus less than those unvaccinated.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

Lots of job roles change that conditions and requirements I've had contracts changed after being in a job for 3 years.

Lots take industrial action like British Gas.

So that's ok then? Was your change life threatening? Put some care staff out of work will change their lives unbelievably

What about the residents of the care homes? Don't they deserve to be protected as much as possible?

Well according to most on here, they say that the vaccine protects the person who is injected or is that not the case? So does the vaccine not help the residents, the elderly in the care homes? "

Right, I'll explain again, vaccines work best if a high majority of the population has them, this protects those vulnerable people that cannot have vaccines for medical reasons.

No vaccine is 100% effective at stopping all effects of the illness but they drastically reduce your likelihood of getting symptoms, severe illness or dying.

We get vaccinated so as a group we are giving EVERYONE the greatest chance of not suffering ill effects from diseases.

Those of you that continue to harp on about your right to choose, those residents in the care homes have the right to choose to receive care from someone who has taken the greatest effort to protect not only themselves, but also the residents they care for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sometimes, individual’s rights have to be curtailed for the common good. My parents generation understood that war meant pots, pans, iron railings needed to be turned into tanks etc. Food was rationed so all could get some nutrition. Water was restricted to 5” depth in a bath. Keeping our lights out so the enemy had trouble bombing us. This virus is the enemy of ALL humans regardless of creed, country, ethnicity. It is passed from human to human and is very clever at mutating.

We all therefore have to accept some curtailing of our freedoms to fight this common cause. Let’s think of our families, friends and neighbours before we think of ourself and my rights. There is such a thing as society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

As with Hep B, it’s part of your condition for employment. You have every right to refuse the job if you feel uncomfortable having it... C19 will be the same.

I guess if flights, events etc also require it... you’ll have the choice of not attending or flying too.

Pretty simple, you have all the free choice you want.

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY

"Let's clear up this BS about medical exemptions.

From BMA website

1. If you need to lip read, the talker can remove their mask.

2. If you have such a facial disfigurement, wearing a mask is impossible.

3. If wearing a mask causes such anxiety, that you may harm yourself or another.

Cut to the chase here, 1 and 2 would be rare, 3 if you're that highly strung you should be seeking medical help and refrain from going anywhere that requires a mask. Simples!

Highly strung!!!!

And also maybe look at the real guidelines for face covering exemption.

I named my source, yours is?

The government website

children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)

people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability

where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress

if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate

to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ? including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity

police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public.

Everyone knows kids don't have to wear masks, so no point in stating it. The other points I made, ahem, are more or less the same as yours, so what's your point. I'm lost!

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

That's limited to £120k is it not and I believe the Covid vaccine companies have been indemnified against any legal action resulting from their vaccines.

The Independent has a very good article on this dated 02.12.20.

The same applies to almost any vaccine you get in the UK. You claim from the Vaccine injury scheme not the company. It is standard for your childhood vaccines and holiday vaccines covid vaccine is no different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

THE VACCINE DOESNT STOP YOU FROM CATCHING CORONAVIRUS SO WHATS THE POINT IN TAKING A JAB THAT MIGHT HARM YOU

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"THE VACCINE DOESNT STOP YOU FROM CATCHING CORONAVIRUS SO WHATS THE POINT IN TAKING A JAB THAT MIGHT HARM YOU

Because it reduces both risks of serious illness if virus is caught

Reduces transition rate and reduces the risk of catching it not to mention it reduces strain on NHS that's the point in taking it

As someone who has had both jabs I feel safer moving around now all the government need to do is protect the vulnerable non vaxxed by stopping their movements into public places

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

So In England alone there have been over 220,000 adverse reactions to the jabs and over 1300 deaths . And it appears these figures are not the true reflection ... possibly only 10 percent are being reported ....

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"THE VACCINE DOESNT STOP YOU FROM CATCHING CORONAVIRUS SO WHATS THE POINT IN TAKING A JAB THAT MIGHT HARM YOU

The vaccines "Greatly Reduce" your chances of being infected, they also "Greatly Reduce" your ability to infect others if you are infected (which is less likely). Then obviously if you are infected, they make you more able to deal with the virus so you will be considerably less likely to get seriously ill and need hospital assistance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The anti vax people should just take the jab. Instead of acting like they they are under some police state control and their civil liberties are being destroyed boooo hoooo. Grow a set of balls you lot, though I think that is the problem most of this crew aren't sure if they have any, male or female or whatever they want to label themselves as now days..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So In England alone there have been over 220,000 adverse reactions to the jabs and over 1300 deaths . And it appears these figures are not the true reflection ... possibly only 10 percent are being reported .... "

Says who?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

These figures are rather misleading without context though.

Firstly it is worth baring in mind that 99% of the adverse reactions recorded are "Flu Like Symptoms".

Secondly, it is true that only a fraction of reaction of side effects will be reported, the bulk of the under reporting will be on MINOR reactions. The greater the impact of any side effect, the greater the likelihood that it will be reported. So any deaths WILL be recorded.

And finally, the number (1300) of deaths out of a sample size of 42,000,000 (aprox number who have had one or more jabs) is actually far below the background death rate. There must be an awareness of the quantity of people who would die anyway, especially amongst the elderly & vulnerable. Approximately 600,000 people die in The UK every year of all causes (about 1600 every day).

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"The anti vax people should just take the jab. Instead of acting like they they are under some police state control and their civil liberties are being destroyed boooo hoooo. Grow a set of balls you lot, though I think that is the problem most of this crew aren't sure if they have any, male or female or whatever they want to label themselves as now days.."

To be fair, although they make a lot of noise, within the UK the number refusing a jab is very small (around 10%) so the herd immunity effect will prevail.

I personally have no issue with anyone choosing to not be vaccinated, it is VERY IMPORTANT that people are allowed to choose. I just have an issue with those who actively discourage others... mainly by spreading lies, misappropriated science and out of context figures.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair, although they make a lot of noise, within the UK the number refusing a jab is very small (around 10%) so the herd immunity effect will prevail.

Cal"

This for me too.

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By *exy_Horny OP Couple
over a year ago

Leigh

"Anti vaxxers...so your anti vax because you won't or haven't taken a covid vaccine thanks for the name tag

I totally agree with this sentiment.

People are entitled to choose for themselves, that is a basic right. Choosing not to have a vaccination doesn't make you an AntiVaxxer.

AntiVaxxers are the people propagating the misinformation, lies and ludicrous claims to persuade people not to be vaccinated... and join the "cause" of "waking the sheep"

Cal"

People who can have a vaccine but choose not to are extremely selfish and it is a good thing that their freedom to do anything they choose is starting to be eroded, as per the original post.

As with any medicine there is a small risk of complications but it is very important for the greater good that as many people as possible are vaccinated. This protects not only those who are vaccinated but also those who can't have a vaccine, and those for whom the vaccine is less effective than it should be.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

To be fair, although they make a lot of noise, within the UK the number refusing a jab is very small (around 10%) so the herd immunity effect will prevail.

Cal"

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

There's a huge difference between now being able to have it and choosing not to have it.

Jobs change conditions all the time, they can write up a new contract, if you don't sign it, that's your choice, no more job.

She would be covered by the health exemption clause. Same as anyone who genuinely can’t have the Hep B vaccine for medical reasons.

There are no exceptions listed at the moment

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

It being a requirement for a job isn’t the same as being forced to take it.

You have a choice - meet the requirements of the job or find a different job.

Same as anyone for whom the Hep B vaccine is a requirement, or even a specific qualification is a requirement. You’re not forced to do it. You can choose to do that or something else.

Anyone damaged by the vaccine would be covered by the Vaccine Damage scheme in the same way anyone damaged by any other vaccine.

Lots of job roles change that conditions and requirements I've had contracts changed after being in a job for 3 years.

Lots take industrial action like British Gas.

So that's ok then? Was your change life threatening? Put some care staff out of work will change their lives unbelievably

What about the residents of the care homes? Don't they deserve to be protected as much as possible?

Well according to most on here, they say that the vaccine protects the person who is injected or is that not the case? So does the vaccine not help the residents, the elderly in the care homes?

Right, I'll explain again, vaccines work best if a high majority of the population has them, this protects those vulnerable people that cannot have vaccines for medical reasons.

No vaccine is 100% effective at stopping all effects of the illness but they drastically reduce your likelihood of getting symptoms, severe illness or dying.

We get vaccinated so as a group we are giving EVERYONE the greatest chance of not suffering ill effects from diseases.

They or their family have a right to choose a different care home.

If they're protected by the vaccine then why would it matter if others aren't.

You do realise that the vaccine isn't compulsory or mandatory for residents, don't you?

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

"Sometimes, individual’s rights have to be curtailed for the common good. My parents generation understood that war meant pots, pans, iron railings needed to be turned into tanks etc. Food was rationed so all could get some nutrition. Water was restricted to 5” depth in a bath. Keeping our lights out so the enemy had trouble bombing us. This virus is the enemy of ALL humans regardless of creed, country, ethnicity. It is passed from human to human and is very clever at mutating.

Well I don't know about clever. All viruses mutate as do colds and flu. Doesn't make them clever.

So, ok, we lose the right to say no to the vaccine. What's next? The right to own a home, a business, a car. Once you take any rights away then you're accepting that any rights can be taken away. All rights to discrimination of any type. Think about your rights you've got now. OK, you may not be affected by this particular legislation as I'm not but you have certain rights which no doubt you'd like to keep but any of your rights are at threat once you start taking any rights away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"THE VACCINE DOESNT STOP YOU FROM CATCHING CORONAVIRUS SO WHATS THE POINT IN TAKING A JAB THAT MIGHT HARM YOU

Because it reduces both risks of serious illness if virus is caught

Reduces transition rate and reduces the risk of catching it not to mention it reduces strain on NHS that's the point in taking it

As someone who has had both jabs I feel safer moving around now all the government need to do is protect the vulnerable non vaxxed by stopping their movements into public places"
haha in your dreams

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

People who can have a vaccine but choose not to are extremely selfish and it is a good thing that their freedom to do anything they choose is starting to be eroded, as per the original post.

I would personally love to see everyone who CAN be vaccinated, but removing the right to choose is the start of a slippery slope. It is a shame that many of those who are choosing not to be vaccinated have made their choice because they believe the "misinformation" propagated by the antivax movement, but enforced vaccinations would become the self fulfilling "state control" prophecy.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So many fully trained GPS in this thread

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Think you may find your employer will say it's not them forcing you, it's the government forcing them.

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

I honestly have no idea!

Certainly something to think about. "

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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago

Blyth

Well I don't know about clever. All viruses mutate as do colds and flu. Doesn't make them clever.

Nobody is taking away your right to say no to the vaccine. However every choice you make in life comes with consequences. If you choose not to have this vaccine then you have been informed of the consequences of that decision.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Think you may find your employer will say it's not them forcing you, it's the government forcing them.

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

I would guess that the argument would be "You choose between being vaccinated or working in a different environment where vaccination isn't required".

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"So many fully trained GPS in this thread"

What makes you say that?

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

People who can have a vaccine but choose not to are extremely selfish and it is a good thing that their freedom to do anything they choose is starting to be eroded, as per the original post.

Cal"

Excellent

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

Well I don't know about clever. All viruses mutate as do colds and flu. Doesn't make them clever.

Where is the choice? Have the vaccine or lose your job. That's wrong. Entirely wrong

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

Think you may find your employer will say it's not them forcing you, it's the government forcing them.

I’ve worked in domiciliary care for three years, I’ve never been asked for my vaccination record.

I would guess that the argument would be "You choose between being vaccinated or working in a different environment where vaccination isn't required".

Cal"

Lots of care workers don't have a choice but to work in that industry.

Well let's hope whatever industry everyone works in then they're also forced to have the vaccine. That's about 20% extra out of work then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I don't know about clever. All viruses mutate as do colds and flu. Doesn't make them clever.

Where is the choice? Have the vaccine or lose your job. That's wrong. Entirely wrong "

It’s a choice

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

People who can have a vaccine but choose not to are extremely selfish and it is a good thing that their freedom to do anything they choose is starting to be eroded, as per the original post.

Cal"

Agreed. Mandatory vaccination will add massive fuel to the anti-vax fire.

As you have said earlier, vaccine take up in the UK is so high anyway that we could reach herd immunity without having to resort to any draconian measures.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"People who can have a vaccine but choose not to are extremely selfish and it is a good thing that their freedom to do anything they choose is starting to be eroded, as per the original post.

I think people whose lifestyle choices have made them more susceptible to developing serious or fatal conditions as a result of covid are selfish!

Fancy being so selfish they smoked, damaging their lungs making them more vulnerable to respiratory illnesses. Or needing to be treated for lung cancer making them more vulnerable to covid!

Or all those obese people who don’t exercise or made bad dietary choices resulting in a wide range of different health problems - heart disease, diabetes, asthma etc etc - making them more vulnerable to covid!

I mean how selfish to have chosen to live their lives in such a way as they have now caused untold strain on the NHS! How selfish to have taken up all those ICU beds and caused so many other essential operations and treatments to have been postponed!

Going forward we should mandate how people treat their bodies. We should remove healthcare or right to work if they smoke or if their BMI goes into the obese (or maybe just overweight) category.

What do you think? Sound good?

FOR AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT - I am not really advocating any such thing, I am merely pointing out the absurdity of calling people selfish for having the audacity to exercise their right to decide what happens to their body. This is not support for anti-vax rhetoric but it is a counterpoint to dangerous groupthink.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

People who can have a vaccine but choose not to are extremely selfish and it is a good thing that their freedom to do anything they choose is starting to be eroded, as per the original post.

Cal

Agreed. Mandatory vaccination will add massive fuel to the anti-vax fire.

As you have said earlier, vaccine take up in the UK is so high anyway that we could reach herd immunity without having to resort to any draconian measures."

Locally over 90% of people over 16 have had at least one jab and bearing in mind they haven't got down to the lower age groups yet I'm guessing it'll be in the mid 90s this year which is very encouraging.

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