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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures "Yup the joys of constant monitoring just incase extremely rare occurrences happen. Shows that people are on the ball | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures
Yup the joys of constant monitoring just incase extremely rare occurrences happen. Shows that people are on the ball"Wouldn't have been picked up without robust vigilant safety monitoring. I remember them saying it's about the same level as background. All things have risks, but it's such a good thing that this vaccine rollout is so well scrutinised. It's excellent how seriously they're taking our safety | |||
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"She was also on a hormone medicine linked to clots, likely the pill, which is far more likely to cause clots than the vaccine. It's very sad, but it's still extremely rare to get those particular types of blood clot. " Yes. All interventions have risks. The risks are lower than Covid. It's no less sad or tragic... But - do you want a smaller tragedy from vaccines or a bigger tragedy with Covid? Basically. As I've said several times before - I have a close relative who suffered a life threatening and ultimately life changing adverse reaction from a flu vaccine. I know damn well that taking the vaccine is a roll of the dice. I know this personally. But it's like, one in a million risk of death (or less) rather than between one in 50 (I think the UK case fatality rate is about 2%) or one in 1000 (I'm accepting the figure quoted here for the sake of argument). | |||
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"She was also on a hormone medicine linked to clots, likely the pill, which is far more likely to cause clots than the vaccine. It's very sad, but it's still extremely rare to get those particular types of blood clot. Yes. All interventions have risks. The risks are lower than Covid. It's no less sad or tragic... But - do you want a smaller tragedy from vaccines or a bigger tragedy with Covid? Basically. As I've said several times before - I have a close relative who suffered a life threatening and ultimately life changing adverse reaction from a flu vaccine. I know damn well that taking the vaccine is a roll of the dice. I know this personally. But it's like, one in a million risk of death (or less) rather than between one in 50 (I think the UK case fatality rate is about 2%) or one in 1000 (I'm accepting the figure quoted here for the sake of argument)." Exactly this, for instance I never realised that you can't have the flu vaccine if you have an egg allergy until chatting with a partner that works in a pharmacy  | |||
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"She was also on a hormone medicine linked to clots, likely the pill, which is far more likely to cause clots than the vaccine. It's very sad, but it's still extremely rare to get those particular types of blood clot. Yes. All interventions have risks. The risks are lower than Covid. It's no less sad or tragic... But - do you want a smaller tragedy from vaccines or a bigger tragedy with Covid? Basically. As I've said several times before - I have a close relative who suffered a life threatening and ultimately life changing adverse reaction from a flu vaccine. I know damn well that taking the vaccine is a roll of the dice. I know this personally. But it's like, one in a million risk of death (or less) rather than between one in 50 (I think the UK case fatality rate is about 2%) or one in 1000 (I'm accepting the figure quoted here for the sake of argument). Exactly this, for instance I never realised that you can't have the flu vaccine if you have an egg allergy until chatting with a partner that works in a pharmacy "They ask if you are allergic to eggs before being given it. | |||
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"She was also on a hormone medicine linked to clots, likely the pill, which is far more likely to cause clots than the vaccine. It's very sad, but it's still extremely rare to get those particular types of blood clot. Yes. All interventions have risks. The risks are lower than Covid. It's no less sad or tragic... But - do you want a smaller tragedy from vaccines or a bigger tragedy with Covid? Basically. As I've said several times before - I have a close relative who suffered a life threatening and ultimately life changing adverse reaction from a flu vaccine. I know damn well that taking the vaccine is a roll of the dice. I know this personally. But it's like, one in a million risk of death (or less) rather than between one in 50 (I think the UK case fatality rate is about 2%) or one in 1000 (I'm accepting the figure quoted here for the sake of argument). Exactly this, for instance I never realised that you can't have the flu vaccine if you have an egg allergy until chatting with a partner that works in a pharmacy "The nasal flu vaccine given to children is safe for egg allergy. | |||
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"She was also on a hormone medicine linked to clots, likely the pill, which is far more likely to cause clots than the vaccine. It's very sad, but it's still extremely rare to get those particular types of blood clot. Yes. All interventions have risks. The risks are lower than Covid. It's no less sad or tragic... But - do you want a smaller tragedy from vaccines or a bigger tragedy with Covid? Basically. As I've said several times before - I have a close relative who suffered a life threatening and ultimately life changing adverse reaction from a flu vaccine. I know damn well that taking the vaccine is a roll of the dice. I know this personally. But it's like, one in a million risk of death (or less) rather than between one in 50 (I think the UK case fatality rate is about 2%) or one in 1000 (I'm accepting the figure quoted here for the sake of argument). Exactly this, for instance I never realised that you can't have the flu vaccine if you have an egg allergy until chatting with a partner that works in a pharmacy
They ask if you are allergic to eggs before being given it."See I have never been asked as it's always been done at the gp surgery so they have all my notes to hand so never had to ask | |||
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"She was also on a hormone medicine linked to clots, likely the pill, which is far more likely to cause clots than the vaccine. It's very sad, but it's still extremely rare to get those particular types of blood clot. Yes. All interventions have risks. The risks are lower than Covid. It's no less sad or tragic... But - do you want a smaller tragedy from vaccines or a bigger tragedy with Covid? Basically. As I've said several times before - I have a close relative who suffered a life threatening and ultimately life changing adverse reaction from a flu vaccine. I know damn well that taking the vaccine is a roll of the dice. I know this personally. But it's like, one in a million risk of death (or less) rather than between one in 50 (I think the UK case fatality rate is about 2%) or one in 1000 (I'm accepting the figure quoted here for the sake of argument). Exactly this, for instance I never realised that you can't have the flu vaccine if you have an egg allergy until chatting with a partner that works in a pharmacy
The nasal flu vaccine given to children is safe for egg allergy."See something new learnt today aswell | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures "but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it"Oh dear lord. | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures "I wonder if the family of the teenager that died were saying Hooray? Did they even know they were taking part in a medical trial? What with all the censorship that goes on, it’s easily missed. | |||
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Oh dear lord. " very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures
I wonder if the family of the teenager that died were saying Hooray? Did they even know they were taking part in a medical trial? What with all the censorship that goes on, it’s easily missed."Oh my good God Odin give me strength it's not a bloody trial it has cleared stage 3 trials and all of the relivent safety procedures before rollout of any vaccine, there are a number of co morbidity factors at play here cleary  | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures
I wonder if the family of the teenager that died were saying Hooray? Did they even know they were taking part in a medical trial? What with all the censorship that goes on, it’s easily missed."What medical trial are you talking about? E | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures
I wonder if the family of the teenager that died were saying Hooray? Did they even know they were taking part in a medical trial? What with all the censorship that goes on, it’s easily missed.
Oh my good God Odin give me strength it's not a bloody trial it has cleared stage 3 trials and all of the relivent safety procedures before rollout of any vaccine, there are a number of co morbidity factors at play here cleary "But we dont look at ‘co morbidity factors’ anymore. Haven’t you heard? | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures
I wonder if the family of the teenager that died were saying Hooray? Did they even know they were taking part in a medical trial? What with all the censorship that goes on, it’s easily missed.
What medical trial are you talking about?
E"Apparently the one that was finished be for the vaccine was signed off on | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures
I wonder if the family of the teenager that died were saying Hooray? Did they even know they were taking part in a medical trial? What with all the censorship that goes on, it’s easily missed.
What medical trial are you talking about?
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures
I wonder if the family of the teenager that died were saying Hooray? Did they even know they were taking part in a medical trial? What with all the censorship that goes on, it’s easily missed.
Oh my good God Odin give me strength it's not a bloody trial it has cleared stage 3 trials and all of the relivent safety procedures before rollout of any vaccine, there are a number of co morbidity factors at play here cleary
But we dont look at ‘co morbidity factors’ anymore. Haven’t you heard? "Eh?! Everyone who comes for a vaccine undergoes medical screening. | |||
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Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated"Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent! | |||
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"I heard somebody once hung themselves from a spaghetti tree are they going to ban them too ? " I heard it was a well hung spaghetti tree!!! Nxx | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!"What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures
I wonder if the family of the teenager that died were saying Hooray? Did they even know they were taking part in a medical trial? What with all the censorship that goes on, it’s easily missed.
Oh my good God Odin give me strength it's not a bloody trial it has cleared stage 3 trials and all of the relivent safety procedures before rollout of any vaccine, there are a number of co morbidity factors at play here cleary
But we dont look at ‘co morbidity factors’ anymore. Haven’t you heard?
Eh?! Everyone who comes for a vaccine undergoes medical screening."Except for anti vaxers and covid deniers apparently..... Oh sorry they weren't there anyway so wouldn't have a bloody clue in the first place | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!
What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too."Is that the best excuse you've got? | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!
What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too."Bit silly if you think that's a good idea..? Last year the deaths due to covid of 87,000 ish was in top of the 430,000 deaths which was there or thereabouts annually.. Why would the government not count all deaths? | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!
What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too.
Is that the best excuse you've got? "Excuse? For what? I don’t need any excuses. I only need to justify to myself what I do... oh and my mum! But she’s happy to let me do what I wanna do, some people are still like that, believe it or not. Old school you see x | |||
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"Italy has banned the Astra Zeneca vaccine for all under 60s after teenager death , " This is shocking and so very sad | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!
What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too.
Is that the best excuse you've got?
Excuse? For what? I don’t need any excuses. I only need to justify to myself what I do... oh and my mum! But she’s happy to let me do what I wanna do, some people are still like that, believe it or not. Old school you see x"I've now got a vision of a man of 38yrs asking his mum if he's allowed to do X.... It's not old school for people in their 30s to have autonomy. Or did I totally not grasp the message?! | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!
What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too.
Is that the best excuse you've got?
Excuse? For what? I don’t need any excuses. I only need to justify to myself what I do... oh and my mum! But she’s happy to let me do what I wanna do, some people are still like that, believe it or not. Old school you see x
I've now got a vision of a man of 38yrs asking his mum if he's allowed to do X.... It's not old school for people in their 30s to have autonomy. Or did I totally not grasp the message?!"You’d be surprised, there is an awful lot of peer pressure and guilt tripping that goes on. My mum is very much live and let live, best way to be! She taught me well. | |||
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"Italy has banned the Astra Zeneca vaccine for all under 60s after teenager death , This is shocking and so very sad " It really is although the post doesn't tell the whole story, the death of any individual is a sad thing, what the op didn't mention that the death hasn't been proven to have been as a direct result of the vaccine as there where other factors involved that are known to cause clotting so the goverment have taken the probationary measure of halting the use of the vaccine not banning it whilst this is investigated as a rare incident | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!
What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too.
Is that the best excuse you've got?
Excuse? For what? I don’t need any excuses. I only need to justify to myself what I do... oh and my mum! But she’s happy to let me do what I wanna do, some people are still like that, believe it or not. Old school you see x
I've now got a vision of a man of 38yrs asking his mum if he's allowed to do X.... It's not old school for people in their 30s to have autonomy. Or did I totally not grasp the message?!
You’d be surprised, there is an awful lot of peer pressure and guilt tripping that goes on. My mum is very much live and let live, best way to be! She taught me well."But just checking, you don't need to ask her permission to stay out beyond 10pm, or buy an ice cream, type thing? That was kind of thing in my head... | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!
What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too.
Is that the best excuse you've got?
Excuse? For what? I don’t need any excuses. I only need to justify to myself what I do... oh and my mum! But she’s happy to let me do what I wanna do, some people are still like that, believe it or not. Old school you see x
I've now got a vision of a man of 38yrs asking his mum if he's allowed to do X.... It's not old school for people in their 30s to have autonomy. Or did I totally not grasp the message?!
You’d be surprised, there is an awful lot of peer pressure and guilt tripping that goes on. My mum is very much live and let live, best way to be! She taught me well.
But just checking, you don't need to ask her permission to stay out beyond 10pm, or buy an ice cream, type thing? That was kind of thing in my head..."Hahaha! Thankfully not. | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!
What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too.
Bit silly if you think that's a good idea..?
Last year the deaths due to covid of 87,000 ish was in top of the 430,000 deaths which was there or thereabouts annually..
Why would the government not count all deaths?"Well, to be perfectly fair we should discount the questionable deaths from the covid total. Let me see, headline figure of nice round 87,000 for last year. Then there was Jack Smith run over by a steam roller 4 days after getting a PCR positive - of course, if the silly sod had self quarantined like he was supposed to do, he wouldn't have been standing in the road when the steam roller went past. Penelope Green who fell out of a helicopter 27 days after testing positive. Albert Higgins and that unfortunate accident with the mincing machine... At least 20 people run over by the number 9 bus - the bus company really should get that driver some new glasses. I still think the bloke killed by the gas explosion, it could be that he was having a coughing fit while trying to light the gas oven, but we'll take him out as well. ... Okay, we'll round those up to be fair... Yup, it's actually only 86,943 people who really died last year with cause directly attributable to covid, damn why are we doing all this vaccination nonsense when it's only 86,943 dead... | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too." If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final | |||
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"All vaccines are still in trial stage regardless to what we’ve been told And to be honest I think they will be more cover up and less of the facts about the real long term effects of it and any damage to people Because as everything, to much money has been invested into it.and once you get politicians investing in it only makes for scandal later on down the line Just my opinion " Firstly, every one of the vaccines in use has completed the legally required testing phase and been approved for mass use. Due to a lack of "Long Term" test data, these vaccines are subject to on-going heightened scrutiny. Bearing in mind that the two main vaccines used began their testing in around May last year, there is already over a year of data now. Secondly, when it comes to vaccinating BILLIONS of people, any sort of serious repercussions would be IMPOSSIBLE to cover up. Cal | |||
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"Italy has banned the Astra Zeneca vaccine for all under 60s after teenager death , This is shocking and so very sad It really is although the post doesn't tell the whole story, the death of any individual is a sad thing, what the op didn't mention that the death hasn't been proven to have been as a direct result of the vaccine as there where other factors involved that are known to cause clotting so the goverment have taken the probationary measure of halting the use of the vaccine not banning it whilst this is investigated as a rare incident " Have Italy banned the fake drug to under 60s yes or no ! | |||
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. " Link/source please. | |||
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Link/source please." Sure, there is a 3 hr YouTube video discussion with him still up, I can post a link to that on fab: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY His name is Robert D Malone and he is also involved with FDA regulatory work. He warned them months ago, as many others did. Tess Lawrie has also done an analysis of yellow card data in the UK and is also calling for an immediate halt to the UK vaccine programme. | |||
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"Safety data, or rather lack of safety data on the mRNA/RNA vaccines is being censored. There are large numbers of deaths worldwide and increasingly calls for a halt to their use in the vaccination programme. Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. " Personally, I think people who spread such unfounded, scaremongering rubbish, should be prosecuted. Too easy for these people to spread disinformation, that could lead to some poor unfortunate, unnecessarily becoming very ill(or worse) with Covid. Not one shred of evidence to back up such claims and only the word of a handful of discredited(banned from practicing medicine) experts, who have been proven to be gaining financially from their subversive activities. Disgraceful....one more to avoid!  | |||
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"Safety data, or rather lack of safety data on the mRNA/RNA vaccines is being censored. There are large numbers of deaths worldwide and increasingly calls for a halt to their use in the vaccination programme. Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Personally, I think people who spread such unfounded, scaremongering rubbish, should be prosecuted. Too easy for these people to spread disinformation, that could lead to some poor unfortunate, unnecessarily becoming very ill(or worse) with Covid. Not one shred of evidence to back up such claims and only the word of a handful of discredited(banned from practicing medicine) experts, who have been proven to be gaining financially from their subversive activities. Disgraceful....one more to avoid! "You are uninformed, the information on vaccine injuries and deaths reported are a matter of public record. 1253+ deaths in the UK, 5000+ in the US, 13000+ in the EU and many hundreds of thousands of injury reports. | |||
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"Safety data, or rather lack of safety data on the mRNA/RNA vaccines is being censored. There are large numbers of deaths worldwide and increasingly calls for a halt to their use in the vaccination programme. Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Personally, I think people who spread such unfounded, scaremongering rubbish, should be prosecuted. Too easy for these people to spread disinformation, that could lead to some poor unfortunate, unnecessarily becoming very ill(or worse) with Covid. Not one shred of evidence to back up such claims and only the word of a handful of discredited(banned from practicing medicine) experts, who have been proven to be gaining financially from their subversive activities. Disgraceful....one more to avoid!
You are uninformed, the information on vaccine injuries and deaths reported are a matter of public record. 1253+ deaths in the UK, 5000+ in the US, 13000+ in the EU and many hundreds of thousands of injury reports. "There are adverse reactions/deaths from many vaccines, the Covid vaccine is no different, in that respect. The small numbers of adverse reactions, far outweighs the risks of not vaccinating against the virus. That's the truth, not the propoganda being peddled, ballooning what are very small numbers, to scare people from getting the vaccine | |||
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"Italy has banned the Astra Zeneca vaccine for all under 60s after teenager death , This is shocking and so very sad It really is although the post doesn't tell the whole story, the death of any individual is a sad thing, what the op didn't mention that the death hasn't been proven to have been as a direct result of the vaccine as there where other factors involved that are known to cause clotting so the goverment have taken the probationary measure of halting the use of the vaccine not banning it whilst this is investigated as a rare incident Have Italy banned the fake drug to under 60s yes or no !" no they have temporarily suspended its use and how is it a fake drug.. | |||
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"Safety data, or rather lack of safety data on the mRNA/RNA vaccines is being censored. There are large numbers of deaths worldwide and increasingly calls for a halt to their use in the vaccination programme. Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Personally, I think people who spread such unfounded, scaremongering rubbish, should be prosecuted. Too easy for these people to spread disinformation, that could lead to some poor unfortunate, unnecessarily becoming very ill(or worse) with Covid. Not one shred of evidence to back up such claims and only the word of a handful of discredited(banned from practicing medicine) experts, who have been proven to be gaining financially from their subversive activities. Disgraceful....one more to avoid!
You are uninformed, the information on vaccine injuries and deaths reported are a matter of public record. 1253+ deaths in the UK, 5000+ in the US, 13000+ in the EU and many hundreds of thousands of injury reports. "Are these deaths proven to have been caused by the vaccine, or deaths occurring after someone has been vaccinated? | |||
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"This will inevitably slow the vaccination progress due to increased demand on non-AZ’s …I wonder if they are keeping track of the number of people who will now die because they were not vaccinated when otherwise they might have been and still think it was worth it. *this is not even close to being the “trolly problem” thought experiment…this is real people. " The Antivax brigade have likely caused considerably more illness/deaths, than any caused by adverse reactions to the vaccines | |||
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"Safety data, or rather lack of safety data on the mRNA/RNA vaccines is being censored. There are large numbers of deaths worldwide and increasingly calls for a halt to their use in the vaccination programme. Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Personally, I think people who spread such unfounded, scaremongering rubbish, should be prosecuted. Too easy for these people to spread disinformation, that could lead to some poor unfortunate, unnecessarily becoming very ill(or worse) with Covid. Not one shred of evidence to back up such claims and only the word of a handful of discredited(banned from practicing medicine) experts, who have been proven to be gaining financially from their subversive activities. Disgraceful....one more to avoid!
You are uninformed, the information on vaccine injuries and deaths reported are a matter of public record. 1253+ deaths in the UK, 5000+ in the US, 13000+ in the EU and many hundreds of thousands of injury reports.
There are adverse reactions/deaths from many vaccines, the Covid vaccine is no different, in that respect. The small numbers of adverse reactions, far outweighs the risks of not vaccinating against the virus. That's the truth"Deaths reported from these vaccines are hundreds of times that of any other vaccine in the last 30 years of records, so yes, that is very different. And hundreds of thousands of adverse effects is not 'a small number' that is simply untrue. Only when adverse reactions and deaths are CLEARLY understood and OPENLY communicated can an informed risk benefit analysis be made. We have no long term safety data and with so many short term issues becoming apparent a growing number of medics are speaking out against the censorship and misinformation, thank God they have decided to recommend against their use in children in the UK with over 800 cases of myocarditis in the young in the US trials. | |||
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"This will inevitably slow the vaccination progress due to increased demand on non-AZ’s …I wonder if they are keeping track of the number of people who will now die because they were not vaccinated when otherwise they might have been and still think it was worth it. *this is not even close to being the “trolly problem” thought experiment…this is real people. The Antivax brigade have likely caused considerably more illness/deaths, than any caused by adverse reactions to the vaccines" The scandalous lack of early treatment is the biggest cause of death IMO, up to 80% could have been saved. | |||
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Link/source please. Sure, there is a 3 hr YouTube video discussion with him still up, I can post a link to that on fab: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY His name is Robert D Malone and he is also involved with FDA regulatory work. He warned them months ago, as many others did. Tess Lawrie has also done an analysis of yellow card data in the UK and is also calling for an immediate halt to the UK vaccine programme. " . I watched this out of curiosity, an excellent discussion by three experts in their fields without any melodramatic nonsense. Thanks for the post | |||
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"Safety data, or rather lack of safety data on the mRNA/RNA vaccines is being censored. There are large numbers of deaths worldwide and increasingly calls for a halt to their use in the vaccination programme. Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Personally, I think people who spread such unfounded, scaremongering rubbish, should be prosecuted. Too easy for these people to spread disinformation, that could lead to some poor unfortunate, unnecessarily becoming very ill(or worse) with Covid. Not one shred of evidence to back up such claims and only the word of a handful of discredited(banned from practicing medicine) experts, who have been proven to be gaining financially from their subversive activities. Disgraceful....one more to avoid!
You are uninformed, the information on vaccine injuries and deaths reported are a matter of public record. 1253+ deaths in the UK, 5000+ in the US, 13000+ in the EU and many hundreds of thousands of injury reports.
There are adverse reactions/deaths from many vaccines, the Covid vaccine is no different, in that respect. The small numbers of adverse reactions, far outweighs the risks of not vaccinating against the virus. That's the truth
Deaths reported from these vaccines are hundreds of times that of any other vaccine in the last 30 years of records, so yes, that is very different. And hundreds of thousands of adverse effects is not 'a small number' that is simply untrue.
Only when adverse reactions and deaths are CLEARLY understood and OPENLY communicated can an informed risk benefit analysis be made.
We have no long term safety data and with so many short term issues becoming apparent a growing number of medics are speaking out against the censorship and misinformation, thank God they have decided to recommend against their use in children in the UK with over 800 cases of myocarditis in the young in the US trials. "Now that is just lies and exaggeration...given the scale of the Covid vaccination, the numbers of adverse reactions/deaths will obviously be higher...pro rata, they are not of a significantly high rate. Oh and considering a headache is considered an 'adverse reaction', don't convey it as people getting significant illnesses from it....look at the possible side effects to any over the counter medication. Propoganda...moulded to suit an agenda | |||
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" Only when adverse reactions and deaths are CLEARLY understood and OPENLY communicated can an informed risk benefit analysis be made "
Being able to have an open conversation will be of greater benefit to those who may have reservations about vaccination.
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Link/source please. Sure, there is a 3 hr YouTube video discussion with him still up, I can post a link to that on fab: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY His name is Robert D Malone and he is also involved with FDA regulatory work. He warned them months ago, as many others did. Tess Lawrie has also done an analysis of yellow card data in the UK and is also calling for an immediate halt to the UK vaccine programme. . I watched this out of curiosity, an excellent discussion by three experts in their fields without any melodramatic nonsense. Thanks for the post "Glad you enjoyed. Yes, Robert Malone is wonderfully precise, he's the kind of medic I respect. | |||
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"Safety data, or rather lack of safety data on the mRNA/RNA vaccines is being censored. There are large numbers of deaths worldwide and increasingly calls for a halt to their use in the vaccination programme. Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Personally, I think people who spread such unfounded, scaremongering rubbish, should be prosecuted. Too easy for these people to spread disinformation, that could lead to some poor unfortunate, unnecessarily becoming very ill(or worse) with Covid. Not one shred of evidence to back up such claims and only the word of a handful of discredited(banned from practicing medicine) experts, who have been proven to be gaining financially from their subversive activities. Disgraceful....one more to avoid!
You are uninformed, the information on vaccine injuries and deaths reported are a matter of public record. 1253+ deaths in the UK, 5000+ in the US, 13000+ in the EU and many hundreds of thousands of injury reports.
There are adverse reactions/deaths from many vaccines, the Covid vaccine is no different, in that respect. The small numbers of adverse reactions, far outweighs the risks of not vaccinating against the virus. That's the truth
Deaths reported from these vaccines are hundreds of times that of any other vaccine in the last 30 years of records, so yes, that is very different. And hundreds of thousands of adverse effects is not 'a small number' that is simply untrue.
Only when adverse reactions and deaths are CLEARLY understood and OPENLY communicated can an informed risk benefit analysis be made.
We have no long term safety data and with so many short term issues becoming apparent a growing number of medics are speaking out against the censorship and misinformation, thank God they have decided to recommend against their use in children in the UK with over 800 cases of myocarditis in the young in the US trials.
Now that is just lies and exaggeration...given the scale of the Covid vaccination, the numbers of adverse reactions/deaths will obviously be higher...pro rata, they are not of a significantly high rate. Oh and considering a headache is considered an 'adverse reaction', don't convey it as people getting significant illnesses from it....look at the possible side effects to any over the counter medication. Propoganda...moulded to suit an agenda"I'm talking about pro rata. And indeed a headache can be a harmless side effect - or an indication of a potent toxin crossing the blood brain barrier with unforseen longterm consequences and fatality. The latter needs urgent investigation and warrants calls for caution in vaccination, especially those not at risk. That's just good science. | |||
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Glad you enjoyed. Yes, Robert Malone is wonderfully precise, he's the kind of medic I respect.". I think when he pointed out that the spike protein has broken off and is now readily found all over the body including in mass in the ovaries, bone marrow and brain despite the vaccine manufacturers specifically trying to anchor them because they didn't know what the consequences would be was disturbing but when he said they've known this from the outset but still pushed them on young adults and children I was even more disturbed. But the clincher for me was when he said he wouldn't take his own invention until he'd waited to see for a signal for ADE!!. Refreshingly honest. | |||
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Link/source please. Sure, there is a 3 hr YouTube video discussion with him still up, I can post a link to that on fab: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY His name is Robert D Malone and he is also involved with FDA regulatory work. He warned them months ago, as many others did. Tess Lawrie has also done an analysis of yellow card data in the UK and is also calling for an immediate halt to the UK vaccine programme. . I watched this out of curiosity, an excellent discussion by three experts in their fields without any melodramatic nonsense. Thanks for the post
Glad you enjoyed. Yes, Robert Malone is wonderfully precise, he's the kind of medic I respect..
I think when he pointed out that the spike protein has broken off and is now readily found all over the body including in mass in the ovaries, bone marrow and brain despite the vaccine manufacturers specifically trying to anchor them because they didn't know what the consequences would be was disturbing but when he said they've known this from the outset but still pushed them on young adults and children I was even more disturbed.
But the clincher for me was when he said he wouldn't take his own invention until he'd waited to see for a signal for ADE!!.
Refreshingly honest."You do have to look at both sides. I do not think world leaders would be pushing for something that would be harmful. So glad that the take up amongst young people is so good the 18s and over should be able to book from next week. My youngest is waiting anxiously for hers to be allowed. She is 15 so probably Sept ish | |||
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"Forgot to add a link about the spike protein https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-377989296609" You do know that fact checking websites are totally biased and a mine of misinformation and propaganda don't you? Do your own research, go to the sources. | |||
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Glad you enjoyed. Yes, Robert Malone is wonderfully precise, he's the kind of medic I respect..
I think when he pointed out that the spike protein has broken off and is now readily found all over the body including in mass in the ovaries, bone marrow and brain despite the vaccine manufacturers specifically trying to anchor them because they didn't know what the consequences would be was disturbing but when he said they've known this from the outset but still pushed them on young adults and children I was even more disturbed.
But the clincher for me was when he said he wouldn't take his own invention until he'd waited to see for a signal for ADE!!.
Refreshingly honest."ADE signals seem few and far between so far thank goodness, about the only ones that are though!! Now alternative, more conventional vaccines are soon to become available I shall be interested to see if they have that problem. "What happened to confidence in public health...if Ivermectin, turns out to be safe and effective for covid, and the genetic vaccines turn out to have significant safety issues? This looks like a very plausible scenario from where I sit." Robert Malone, inventor of mRNA vaccines. | |||
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"Forgot to add a link about the spike protein https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-377989296609 You do know that fact checking websites are totally biased and a mine of misinformation and propaganda don't you? Do your own research, go to the sources. " I suggest the same to all. That is just an easy read compared to a lot of them. It also has thr basics.. unfortunate fact checking sites are needed currently as still far to many lies and misinformed coming from people with the inability to understand data. Have you read the reports on the zoe app... they are very clear and informative. | |||
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Link/source please. Sure, there is a 3 hr YouTube video discussion with him still up, I can post a link to that on fab: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY His name is Robert D Malone and he is also involved with FDA regulatory work. He warned them months ago, as many others did. Tess Lawrie has also done an analysis of yellow card data in the UK and is also calling for an immediate halt to the UK vaccine programme. . I watched this out of curiosity, an excellent discussion by three experts in their fields without any melodramatic nonsense. Thanks for the post
Glad you enjoyed. Yes, Robert Malone is wonderfully precise, he's the kind of medic I respect..
I think when he pointed out that the spike protein has broken off and is now readily found all over the body including in mass in the ovaries, bone marrow and brain despite the vaccine manufacturers specifically trying to anchor them because they didn't know what the consequences would be was disturbing but when he said they've known this from the outset but still pushed them on young adults and children I was even more disturbed.
But the clincher for me was when he said he wouldn't take his own invention until he'd waited to see for a signal for ADE!!.
Refreshingly honest.
You do have to look at both sides. I do not think world leaders would be pushing for something that would be harmful. So glad that the take up amongst young people is so good the 18s and over should be able to book from next week.
My youngest is waiting anxiously for hers to be allowed. She is 15 so probably Sept ish
". Oh I'm far far away from being anti vaccine, however that discussion would change my mind on mRNA vaccines in under 40s but each to they're own, I'm not against you taking it or advising your own children to take it. | |||
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Link/source please. Sure, there is a 3 hr YouTube video discussion with him still up, I can post a link to that on fab: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY His name is Robert D Malone and he is also involved with FDA regulatory work. He warned them months ago, as many others did. Tess Lawrie has also done an analysis of yellow card data in the UK and is also calling for an immediate halt to the UK vaccine programme. . I watched this out of curiosity, an excellent discussion by three experts in their fields without any melodramatic nonsense. Thanks for the post
Glad you enjoyed. Yes, Robert Malone is wonderfully precise, he's the kind of medic I respect..
I think when he pointed out that the spike protein has broken off and is now readily found all over the body including in mass in the ovaries, bone marrow and brain despite the vaccine manufacturers specifically trying to anchor them because they didn't know what the consequences would be was disturbing but when he said they've known this from the outset but still pushed them on young adults and children I was even more disturbed.
But the clincher for me was when he said he wouldn't take his own invention until he'd waited to see for a signal for ADE!!.
Refreshingly honest.
You do have to look at both sides. I do not think world leaders would be pushing for something that would be harmful. So glad that the take up amongst young people is so good the 18s and over should be able to book from next week.
My youngest is waiting anxiously for hers to be allowed. She is 15 so probably Sept ish
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Oh I'm far far away from being anti vaccine, however that discussion would change my mind on mRNA vaccines in under 40s but each to they're own, I'm not against you taking it or advising your own children to take it."that discussion has been taken very out of context. All of my kids aged 21 to 28 have had their vaccines. The recent data shows that the biggest increase in infections is the under 40s. Have a look at the link I posted for another view and then perhaps go to links from links. The more I read the more i was reassured . This comes from someone that had to make the decision for my 25 year old daughter... it took me weeks to research the vaccines enough that I was happy for her to have it. | |||
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Link/source please. Sure, there is a 3 hr YouTube video discussion with him still up, I can post a link to that on fab: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY His name is Robert D Malone and he is also involved with FDA regulatory work. He warned them months ago, as many others did. Tess Lawrie has also done an analysis of yellow card data in the UK and is also calling for an immediate halt to the UK vaccine programme. . I watched this out of curiosity, an excellent discussion by three experts in their fields without any melodramatic nonsense. Thanks for the post
Glad you enjoyed. Yes, Robert Malone is wonderfully precise, he's the kind of medic I respect..
I think when he pointed out that the spike protein has broken off and is now readily found all over the body including in mass in the ovaries, bone marrow and brain despite the vaccine manufacturers specifically trying to anchor them because they didn't know what the consequences would be was disturbing but when he said they've known this from the outset but still pushed them on young adults and children I was even more disturbed.
But the clincher for me was when he said he wouldn't take his own invention until he'd waited to see for a signal for ADE!!.
Refreshingly honest.
You do have to look at both sides. I do not think world leaders would be pushing for something that would be harmful. So glad that the take up amongst young people is so good the 18s and over should be able to book from next week.
My youngest is waiting anxiously for hers to be allowed. She is 15 so probably Sept ish
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Oh I'm far far away from being anti vaccine, however that discussion would change my mind on mRNA vaccines in under 40s but each to they're own, I'm not against you taking it or advising your own children to take it. that discussion has been taken very out of context. All of my kids aged 21 to 28 have had their vaccines. The recent data shows that the biggest increase in infections is the under 40s.
Have a look at the link I posted for another view and then perhaps go to links from links. The more I read the more i was reassured . This comes from someone that had to make the decision for my 25 year old daughter... it took me weeks to research the vaccines enough that I was happy for her to have it. ". He invented the technology, he worked for the FDA, he's a genuine expert in the field and he's very specific in saying this discussion was only about mRNA vaccines he was very specific to say he didn't know if it did this or that, what his concerns were is that lipid nano particles specifically designed not to leave the deltoid were being found throughout the body and the medium and long term consequences of this are Unknown and not being researched as they should be. I'd recommend watching it because he was very honest in the fact he didn't take it for different reasons because at his age those range of problems weren't his concern, he and his wife who's also an immunologist didn't take it for the ADE reason(which I'd never even heard about but basically he's a long covid worries person and thought it may have an impact on that aspect) but then at the end they did take it because they saw no signal and needed to travel!!. The discussion is definitely not an anti vaccine discussion, it's a discussion from an expert pointing out worrying complications in an experimental vaccine that is not being correctly followed up on and was enough to make me think twice and change my mind on mRNA vaccination in the young section of society. | |||
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"Malone clearly states, at the beginning of the podcast, that he has had both doses of the Moderna vaccine ". Yes he does and he's honest enough to say it's the vaccine he had most worries over and he's honest enough to say he and his wife only took it because it was the only one offered to them were they live and they needed it for travel. You would have to presume he spent his career inventing mRNA vaccine technology because he believes there a good idea. | |||
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"Malone clearly states, at the beginning of the podcast, that he has had both doses of the Moderna vaccine .
Yes he does and he's honest enough to say it's the vaccine he had most worries over and he's honest enough to say he and his wife only took it because it was the only one offered to them were they live and they needed it for travel.
You would have to presume he spent his career inventing mRNA vaccine technology because he believes there a good idea."If you invented a vaccine and genuinely believed there was a risk in taking it, would you really take it just to travel? | |||
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"Malone clearly states, at the beginning of the podcast, that he has had both doses of the Moderna vaccine .
Yes he does and he's honest enough to say it's the vaccine he had most worries over and he's honest enough to say he and his wife only took it because it was the only one offered to them were they live and they needed it for travel.
You would have to presume he spent his career inventing mRNA vaccine technology because he believes there a good idea.
If you invented a vaccine and genuinely believed there was a risk in taking it, would you really take it just to travel?". You clearly haven't watching it as he says why he didn't want to take it and why he did in the end. | |||
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"Even the inventor of mRNA vaccines is speaking out about their safety issues now. Incidence are not rare when there are hundreds of thousands. Link/source please. Sure, there is a 3 hr YouTube video discussion with him still up, I can post a link to that on fab: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY His name is Robert D Malone and he is also involved with FDA regulatory work. He warned them months ago, as many others did. Tess Lawrie has also done an analysis of yellow card data in the UK and is also calling for an immediate halt to the UK vaccine programme. " The inventor of the mRNA vaccine is a woman called Katalin Karakó, she is Hungarian and now works for BioNTech. She first developed mRNA vaccine technology in the late 1980s and she has said absolutely nothing of the sort you describe. | |||
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"Malone clearly states, at the beginning of the podcast, that he has had both doses of the Moderna vaccine .
Yes he does and he's honest enough to say it's the vaccine he had most worries over and he's honest enough to say he and his wife only took it because it was the only one offered to them were they live and they needed it for travel.
You would have to presume he spent his career inventing mRNA vaccine technology because he believes there a good idea.
If you invented a vaccine and genuinely believed there was a risk in taking it, would you really take it just to travel?.
You clearly haven't watching it as he says why he didn't want to take it and why he did in the end."The crux of the 'argument' is he took it....simple as that | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final" Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. | |||
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"Malone clearly states, at the beginning of the podcast, that he has had both doses of the Moderna vaccine .
Yes he does and he's honest enough to say it's the vaccine he had most worries over and he's honest enough to say he and his wife only took it because it was the only one offered to them were they live and they needed it for travel.
You would have to presume he spent his career inventing mRNA vaccine technology because he believes there a good idea.
If you invented a vaccine and genuinely believed there was a risk in taking it, would you really take it just to travel?"He didn't invent "It" ie a Covid19 vaccine, he was the first to find the gene technology that led to it's development. Inventing the wheel is not the same as approving of all motorcars. The point you are entirely missing is that he took the vaccine BEFORE the data confirmed all kinds of unforseen risks with THIS particular vaccine, and the level of risk has proven so great, the monitoring of harms so poor, and the censorship of that information so immoral, that he now feels compelled to speak up, as have many others. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. " And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. | |||
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"Malone clearly states, at the beginning of the podcast, that he has had both doses of the Moderna vaccine .
Yes he does and he's honest enough to say it's the vaccine he had most worries over and he's honest enough to say he and his wife only took it because it was the only one offered to them were they live and they needed it for travel.
You would have to presume he spent his career inventing mRNA vaccine technology because he believes there a good idea.
If you invented a vaccine and genuinely believed there was a risk in taking it, would you really take it just to travel?.
You clearly haven't watching it as he says why he didn't want to take it and why he did in the end.
The crux of the 'argument' is he took it....simple as that"I didn't even realise that that was the crux of the argument, I thought it was his concern over lipid nano particles building up in various parts of the body they were specifically invented not to build up in?. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. " Excellent point but nobody talks about this, collateral damage no doubt. The real worry is the long lasting effects of these lockdowns... the effects on mental health, children’s education, damage to the economy (oh I know I mentioned that word and I shouldn’t)... these will all have much further reaching and more devastating effects than Covid 19 ever could. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. " For one so reliant on the use of words, lockdowns did not 'cause' any deaths....people were just asked to stay at home and watch telly!! | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. For one so reliant on the use of words, lockdowns did not 'cause' any deaths....people were just asked to stay at home and watch telly!!" I suppose that depends on your circumstances. The middle classes with their big gardens and comfy houses may well have just had to sit at home, in comfort, to watch tele. It’s the poorest in society that suffered most, imagine living in a high rise flat, no garden, kids at home all day because they can’t go to school and the parent having to home school as well as potentially also working from home. I would say these will have caused deaths, suicides etc or if not deaths then at least the most horrendous living conditions. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. Excellent point but nobody talks about this, collateral damage no doubt. The real worry is the long lasting effects of these lockdowns... the effects on mental health, children’s education, damage to the economy (oh I know I mentioned that word and I shouldn’t)... these will all have much further reaching and more devastating effects than Covid 19 ever could. " But not having lockdowns and letting covid run through society would have had a whole other host of issues. Just to pick education, how would children have had a good education with teachers constantly being ill, suffering from long covid, or even dying? Not to mention their parents being ill or dying and the kids suffering at home? | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. For one so reliant on the use of words, lockdowns did not 'cause' any deaths....people were just asked to stay at home and watch telly!!" Of course they did, thousands died at home in fear of Covid, thousands of cancer patients remained undiagnosed until it was too late, the suicide rate went through the roof..... did you not realise the harm this hysteria has caused, is still causing? | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. Excellent point but nobody talks about this, collateral damage no doubt. The real worry is the long lasting effects of these lockdowns... the effects on mental health, children’s education, damage to the economy (oh I know I mentioned that word and I shouldn’t)... these will all have much further reaching and more devastating effects than Covid 19 ever could. But not having lockdowns and letting covid run through society would have had a whole other host of issues. Just to pick education, how would children have had a good education with teachers constantly being ill, suffering from long covid, or even dying? Not to mention their parents being ill or dying and the kids suffering at home? " Lockdowns don't work. Early treatment works. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. Excellent point but nobody talks about this, collateral damage no doubt. The real worry is the long lasting effects of these lockdowns... the effects on mental health, children’s education, damage to the economy (oh I know I mentioned that word and I shouldn’t)... these will all have much further reaching and more devastating effects than Covid 19 ever could. But not having lockdowns and letting covid run through society would have had a whole other host of issues. Just to pick education, how would children have had a good education with teachers constantly being ill, suffering from long covid, or even dying? Not to mention their parents being ill or dying and the kids suffering at home? Lockdowns don't work. Early treatment works. " Yeah, I'm not gonna bother debating with someone who has spouted totally unproven "facts" throughout this thread and has a clear agenda. Hopefully other people can see what's going on here. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. Excellent point but nobody talks about this, collateral damage no doubt. The real worry is the long lasting effects of these lockdowns... the effects on mental health, children’s education, damage to the economy (oh I know I mentioned that word and I shouldn’t)... these will all have much further reaching and more devastating effects than Covid 19 ever could. But not having lockdowns and letting covid run through society would have had a whole other host of issues. Just to pick education, how would children have had a good education with teachers constantly being ill, suffering from long covid, or even dying? Not to mention their parents being ill or dying and the kids suffering at home? " Oh dear, you’ve been watching too much BBC news. It’s really not that bad unless you’re over 80 and there aren’t that many 80 year old teachers. As for the letting it run wild comment, nobody suggested that, targeted protection would have been the way forward, a bit like The Great Barrington Declaration suggested but clearly that made too much sense. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. Excellent point but nobody talks about this, collateral damage no doubt. The real worry is the long lasting effects of these lockdowns... the effects on mental health, children’s education, damage to the economy (oh I know I mentioned that word and I shouldn’t)... these will all have much further reaching and more devastating effects than Covid 19 ever could. But not having lockdowns and letting covid run through society would have had a whole other host of issues. Just to pick education, how would children have had a good education with teachers constantly being ill, suffering from long covid, or even dying? Not to mention their parents being ill or dying and the kids suffering at home? Lockdowns don't work. Early treatment works. Yeah, I'm not gonna bother debating with someone who has spouted totally unproven "facts" throughout this thread and has a clear agenda. Hopefully other people can see what's going on here. " Nope, all true, and yeah, I do like people to know the truth, I'm nice like that. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. Excellent point but nobody talks about this, collateral damage no doubt. The real worry is the long lasting effects of these lockdowns... the effects on mental health, children’s education, damage to the economy (oh I know I mentioned that word and I shouldn’t)... these will all have much further reaching and more devastating effects than Covid 19 ever could. But not having lockdowns and letting covid run through society would have had a whole other host of issues. Just to pick education, how would children have had a good education with teachers constantly being ill, suffering from long covid, or even dying? Not to mention their parents being ill or dying and the kids suffering at home? Oh dear, you’ve been watching too much BBC news. It’s really not that bad unless you’re over 80 and there aren’t that many 80 year old teachers. As for the letting it run wild comment, nobody suggested that, targeted protection would have been the way forward, a bit like The Great Barrington Declaration suggested but clearly that made too much sense." Lol, it's always about the BBC with you people. You forgot to talk about 'sheeple' also. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. For one so reliant on the use of words, lockdowns did not 'cause' any deaths....people were just asked to stay at home and watch telly!! Of course they did, thousands died at home in fear of Covid, thousands of cancer patients remained undiagnosed until it was too late, the suicide rate went through the roof..... did you not realise the harm this hysteria has caused, is still causing?" The only hysteria is being flamed by the Antivax and their perverse denial of the truth. Not aware of any deaths having lockdown listed as the cause....we have become vulnerable as a society and that is the real cause | |||
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"Oh shit. weeks ago when the tin foil brigade claimed that those vaccinated cant travel due to risk of blood clots.... https://m.independent.ie/news/news-headlines/news-headlines-400000-who-got-one-dose-of-astrazeneca-warned-not-to-go-abroad-irish-scientists-discover-why-some-covid-patients-get-life-threatening-blood-clots-40540306.html" I think it needs to be clear that the "no travel" in Ireland is a separate issue to blood clots. There is no travel allowed for people who've had only 1 dose of AZ due to one dose providing very limited protection. Two doses are required to mount a sufficient immune response: https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/foreign-travel-ban-for-400000-with-only-one-astrazeneca-vaccine-dose-40539824.html Separately, Irish researchers have uncovered a mechanism by which people with severe COVID-19 infection get blood clots (nothing to do with the vaccine) https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-scientists-discover-why-some-covidpatients-get-life-threatening-blood-clots-40539814.html | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. For one so reliant on the use of words, lockdowns did not 'cause' any deaths....people were just asked to stay at home and watch telly!! Of course they did, thousands died at home in fear of Covid, thousands of cancer patients remained undiagnosed until it was too late, the suicide rate went through the roof..... did you not realise the harm this hysteria has caused, is still causing? Not aware of any deaths having lockdown listed as the cause...." "Not aware" being the operative words. You need to do some research, lockdowns cause massive harm. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. For one so reliant on the use of words, lockdowns did not 'cause' any deaths....people were just asked to stay at home and watch telly!! Of course they did, thousands died at home in fear of Covid, thousands of cancer patients remained undiagnosed until it was too late, the suicide rate went through the roof..... did you not realise the harm this hysteria has caused, is still causing? Not aware of any deaths having lockdown listed as the cause.... "Not aware" being the operative words. You need to do some research, lockdowns cause massive harm. " Are you aware of any death certificates with lockdown listed as a cause of death? Simple enough question...and the answer is? | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. For one so reliant on the use of words, lockdowns did not 'cause' any deaths....people were just asked to stay at home and watch telly!! Of course they did, thousands died at home in fear of Covid, thousands of cancer patients remained undiagnosed until it was too late, the suicide rate went through the roof..... did you not realise the harm this hysteria has caused, is still causing? Not aware of any deaths having lockdown listed as the cause.... "Not aware" being the operative words. You need to do some research, lockdowns cause massive harm. Are you aware of any death certificates with lockdown listed as a cause of death? Simple enough question...and the answer is?" You won't find ignorance or stupidity on death certificates either, but they are a leading cause of death too. | |||
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" What about the deaths not actually proved to be caused by Covid? Maybe we shouldn’t count them too. If you look at the raw statistics of registered deaths, completely ignoring cause of death, in England and Wales there were 75,845 extra deaths in 2020 compared to the average for 2015-2019. So ask yourself, what happened in 2020 that caused an extra 75 thousand people in England and Wales to die? Stats are here for you to look yourself https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales2020final Peaks and troughs? One low year means the following year will be higher perhaps? 2017 had much higher than average deaths... but no lockdowns. And we now know lockdowns themselves cause thousands of deaths. Without any lockdowns who knows how few 'excess deaths' there would have been. For one so reliant on the use of words, lockdowns did not 'cause' any deaths....people were just asked to stay at home and watch telly!! Of course they did, thousands died at home in fear of Covid, thousands of cancer patients remained undiagnosed until it was too late, the suicide rate went through the roof..... did you not realise the harm this hysteria has caused, is still causing? Not aware of any deaths having lockdown listed as the cause.... "Not aware" being the operative words. You need to do some research, lockdowns cause massive harm. Are you aware of any death certificates with lockdown listed as a cause of death? Simple enough question...and the answer is? You won't find ignorance or stupidity on death certificates either, but they are a leading cause of death too." Point proven | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it"Killed my school friends wife, i can't have one due to an allergy and can't have the other one cos if blood clots, Hubby had his first shot and couldn't get out of bed for a week or move his head due to the pain (he never has headaches) | |||
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"“Australia has narrowed the range of people who will receive the AstraZeneca vaccine due to concern about blood clots, in a move that could slow the nation’s already tardy rollout” - Bloomberg " Doesn't this have something to do with thec'Aussie' jab failing to meet the grade after testing? so they are on the back foot now and having to look at alternative vaccines Also this decision is likely to have more to do with age groups? it's well documented AZ is not suitable for younger people so that could be the reason perhaps? | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Killed my school friends wife, i can't have one due to an allergy and can't have the other one cos if blood clots, Hubby had his first shot and couldn't get out of bed for a week or move his head due to the pain (he never has headaches) "Have you maybe considered any of the complimentary drugs that might work instead of the vaccine. I think some are homeopathic..also it's normal for lots of people to feel sick after the jab as it is working in a similar way as the cowpox/smallpox one did..I wasn't feeling great for about 4/ days after mine..so with luck your partner has nothing to be concerned about | |||
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"“Australia has narrowed the range of people who will receive the AstraZeneca vaccine due to concern about blood clots, in a move that could slow the nation’s already tardy rollout” - Bloomberg Doesn't this have something to do with thec'Aussie' jab failing to meet the grade after testing? so they are on the back foot now and having to look at alternative vaccines Also this decision is likely to have more to do with age groups? it's well documented AZ is not suitable for younger people so that could be the reason perhaps?" "The recommendation is revised due to a higher risk and observed severity of thrombosis and thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) related to the use of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine observed in Australia in the 50-59 year old age group than reported internationally and initially estimated in Australia." The full ATAGI statement is available at health.gov.au | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!"give me covid I can guarantee you I'll be totally fine | |||
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"https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ Ongoing risk-benefit analysis given the emergence of the extremely rare side effect. It's a good thing that this is one of the most scrutinised roll outs in the world, because otherwise it'd be missed. Hooray for vaccine safety measures but the vachine killed someone isnt that bad now you know why some intelugent people wont chance havin it
Oh dear lord. very annoying to see this level of ignorance from some, especially when we are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated
Indeed, using one death, that hasn't actually even been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, to justify not having a vaccine, but will risk getting covid even though it's killed and caused severe health issues in millions! Very intelligent!give me covid I can guarantee you I'll be totally fine"you really can't guarantee that. Sorry but you cant... and the point is even if you had it asymptomatically... how many could you pass it to. However if someone is using masks, and washing hands etc.. keeping space and regularly testing I guess the risk would be minimal. | |||
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""The recommendation is revised due to a higher risk and observed severity of thrombosis and thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) related to the use of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine observed in Australia in the 50-59 year old age group than reported internationally and initially estimated in Australia." 13.6 cases per million. Thrombosis in women using the birth control pill is around 60 per 100,000. The problem is thrombosis with thrombocytopenia...not helped in the early cases by attending physicians treating sufferers with injected heparin. Note also UK govt advice "The contraindications to vaccination with the AZ vaccine include individuals who have a history of heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia and thrombosis (HITT or HIT type 2)". In the UK, those individuals are easily identified if previously treated by the NHS. Note the govt advice in publication "Information for healthcare professionals on blood clotting following COVID-19 vaccination"" I read an article in the BMJ I believe that said there was also a simple test that could be done to check for the potential of HIT | |||
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"Good to know as I had my second jab two hours ago. "  | |||
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