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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Oh dear. You shouldn't watch so much YouTube

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

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By *retty womanWoman
over a year ago

Near Bournemouth


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Oh dear. You shouldn't watch so much YouTube"

Oh please tell me what should I watch? Pointless comment competition entrant right there.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines. "

Watch the video. It links to statistics etc.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Oh dear. You shouldn't watch so much YouTube

Oh please tell me what should I watch? Pointless comment competition entrant right there. "

Maybe peppa pig is more suitable for you.

You're posting a link about America and also mentioning Sweden, you know we aren't either of those countries?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Oh dear. You shouldn't watch so much YouTube

Oh please tell me what should I watch? Pointless comment competition entrant right there.

Maybe peppa pig is more suitable for you.

You're posting a link about America and also mentioning Sweden, you know we aren't either of those countries? "

Haha yeah peppa pig that's a good one. America, Sweden, Britain or whatever. We are all human and viruses act the same upon us so what's your point? I've literally got baited breath waiting for your well-informed response.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't care enough to want to change your mind... Think what you like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

YouTube?! At least it’s better than quoting the biased anti-government BBC

You’re can’t compare with other countries with different climates, population clusters etc

There is no exact like for like with Britain

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

It also says that the world is flat or didn't you get to that part

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I don't care enough to want to change your mind... Think what you like"

You cared enough to comment. The point is to have a rational discourse and make people question the narrative pushed by the gov and MSM and those who influence them to benefit from their actions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

YouTube?! At least it’s better than quoting the biased anti-government BBC

You’re can’t compare with other countries with different climates, population clusters etc

There is no exact like for like with Britain "

There are many variables some of which calls into question many of the statements made by the so-called experts.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

I've noticed the usual suspects are quiet. Maybe they have finally pulled their head out of the rectal cavity at last. "

“...... I've noticed the usual suspects are quiet. Maybe they have finally pulled their head out of the rectal cavity at last.....”

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Or maybe they chose to be quiet when they realise that what you are saying sounds like you’ve just put your head into your rectal cavity

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

I've noticed the usual suspects are quiet. Maybe they have finally pulled their head out of the rectal cavity at last.

“...... I've noticed the usual suspects are quiet. Maybe they have finally pulled their head out of the rectal cavity at last.....”

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Or maybe they chose to be quiet when they realise that what you are saying sounds like you’ve just put your head into your rectal cavity "

Amazing comment but I was hoping for better, anything constructive to say?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't care enough to want to change your mind... Think what you like

You cared enough to comment. The point is to have a rational discourse and make people question the narrative pushed by the gov and MSM and those who influence them to benefit from their actions. "

But you insult those who disagree with you so, not open any dialogue, so why would I bother, even if I did care... My original statement still stands

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I don't care enough to want to change your mind... Think what you like

You cared enough to comment. The point is to have a rational discourse and make people question the narrative pushed by the gov and MSM and those who influence them to benefit from their actions.

But you insult those who disagree with you so, not open any dialogue, so why would I bother, even if I did care... My original statement still stands "

I insult those who disagree blindly just based on my own failings as human being. If someone comes at me with a well-reasoned argument then I will consider it with all due diligence.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"I don't care enough to want to change your mind... Think what you like

You cared enough to comment. The point is to have a rational discourse and make people question the narrative pushed by the gov and MSM and those who influence them to benefit from their actions.

But you insult those who disagree with you so, not open any dialogue, so why would I bother, even if I did care... My original statement still stands

I insult those who disagree blindly just based on my own failings as human being. If someone comes at me with a well-reasoned argument then I will consider it with all due diligence. "

I disagreed because you quoted something that is totally irrelevant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I don't care enough to want to change your mind... Think what you like

You cared enough to comment. The point is to have a rational discourse and make people question the narrative pushed by the gov and MSM and those who influence them to benefit from their actions.

But you insult those who disagree with you so, not open any dialogue, so why would I bother, even if I did care... My original statement still stands

I insult those who disagree blindly just based on my own failings as human being. If someone comes at me with a well-reasoned argument then I will consider it with all due diligence.

I disagreed because you quoted something that is totally irrelevant. "

How is it irrelevant and to what exactly?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"I don't care enough to want to change your mind... Think what you like

You cared enough to comment. The point is to have a rational discourse and make people question the narrative pushed by the gov and MSM and those who influence them to benefit from their actions.

But you insult those who disagree with you so, not open any dialogue, so why would I bother, even if I did care... My original statement still stands

I insult those who disagree blindly just based on my own failings as human being. If someone comes at me with a well-reasoned argument then I will consider it with all due diligence.

I disagreed because you quoted something that is totally irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant and to what exactly?"

Different countries, different lockdowns, different populationd, different demographics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sweden population density = 25 people per km2

UK population density = 275 people per km2

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

For a more direct comparison Sweden has up to 10 times more cases than their Nordic neighbours.

Source. The Lancet.

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware

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By *hat BlokeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Boris Johnson is an idiot, however there is a new virus out there that is killing people. Any rational government will try and protect its population. Because it’s population is it’s workforce and it’s workforce is a country’s greatest asset. Now as to whether the lockdown has worked. You would have to compare the pre lockdown spread rate against the spread rate while tge lockdown was in force. It has certainly hurt the country financially. But I do think it has saved lives.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate "

Ha ha ha ... yep the BBC .... always telling the truth ha ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

Your on a loser with this, you forget that most people are SHEEP and cannot study for themselves

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away


"You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines.

Watch the video. It links to statistics etc. "

Do those "statistics" you've mentioned say if all the gathered data was done in the same way i.e. UK counts all deaths within 28 days of having covid, do all the compared countries do it the same way? You can make figures suit any narrative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines.

Watch the video. It links to statistics etc.

Do those "statistics" you've mentioned say if all the gathered data was done in the same way i.e. UK counts all deaths within 28 days of having covid, do all the compared countries do it the same way? You can make figures suit any narrative."

The problem with recording those who've died "with" covid after 28 days gives a false representation of the situation.

I could fall down the stairs and break my neck within that time period, and my death is recorded "with" covid.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines.

Watch the video. It links to statistics etc.

Do those "statistics" you've mentioned say if all the gathered data was done in the same way i.e. UK counts all deaths within 28 days of having covid, do all the compared countries do it the same way? You can make figures suit any narrative.

The problem with recording those who've died "with" covid after 28 days gives a false representation of the situation.

I could fall down the stairs and break my neck within that time period, and my death is recorded "with" covid."

Buy a bungalow and use lifts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines.

Watch the video. It links to statistics etc.

Do those "statistics" you've mentioned say if all the gathered data was done in the same way i.e. UK counts all deaths within 28 days of having covid, do all the compared countries do it the same way? You can make figures suit any narrative.

The problem with recording those who've died "with" covid after 28 days gives a false representation of the situation.

I could fall down the stairs and break my neck within that time period, and my death is recorded "with" covid.

Buy a bungalow and use lifts "

That's sound advice

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away


"You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines.

Watch the video. It links to statistics etc.

Do those "statistics" you've mentioned say if all the gathered data was done in the same way i.e. UK counts all deaths within 28 days of having covid, do all the compared countries do it the same way? You can make figures suit any narrative.

The problem with recording those who've died "with" covid after 28 days gives a false representation of the situation.

I could fall down the stairs and break my neck within that time period, and my death is recorded "with" covid."

That's as maybe, but to compare with other countries, all the countries should record data the same way, not to mention having the resources and will to record the data, some eastern european countries lack both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't care enough to want to change your mind... Think what you like

You cared enough to comment. The point is to have a rational discourse and make people question the narrative pushed by the gov and MSM and those who influence them to benefit from their actions. "

Its too late for the lockdown brigade on here,how they ever survied until now is a question they need to ask themselves.

More jabs? Yes please,its to save humanity you know,well i hope they enjoy this extra month of compliance served upon them by their lords and masters,its a shame they dont stay indoors permanently and let the rest of us get on with living.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines.

Watch the video. It links to statistics etc.

Do those "statistics" you've mentioned say if all the gathered data was done in the same way i.e. UK counts all deaths within 28 days of having covid, do all the compared countries do it the same way? You can make figures suit any narrative.

The problem with recording those who've died "with" covid after 28 days gives a false representation of the situation.

I could fall down the stairs and break my neck within that time period, and my death is recorded "with" covid.

That's as maybe, but to compare with other countries, all the countries should record data the same way, not to mention having the resources and will to record the data, some eastern european countries lack both."

Germany has only record deaths of those from covid. That's why their figures look considerably lower than the UK's.

I completely agree with your comment about all countries following the same path when recording data.

The same could be said about the home nations working together rather than Wales and Scotland working against Westminster.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Boris Johnson is an idiot, however there is a new virus out there that is killing people. Any rational government will try and protect its population. Because it’s population is it’s workforce and it’s workforce is a country’s greatest asset. Now as to whether the lockdown has worked. You would have to compare the pre lockdown spread rate against the spread rate while tge lockdown was in force. It has certainly hurt the country financially. But I do think it has saved lives."

Dont know if you noticed but the workforce is being furloughed due to businesses being closed.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

My advice, go live in Sweden.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

There could be an argument that there will come a point (if that point hasn't been passed already) that Lockdowns will cause more illness or death in the long run than Covid will/would.

It's obviously a tricky balancing act for any government to get right.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

OP pmease read the details below taken from the WHO website, tnis explains why lockdown does work ...

What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death.

The vast majority of people in most countries remain susceptible to this virus. Seroprevalence surveys suggest that in most countries, less than 10% of the population have been infected with COVID-19.

We are still learning about immunity to COVID-19. Most people who are infected with COVID-19 develop an immune response within the first few weeks, but we don’t know how strong or lasting that immune response is, or how it differs for different people. There have also been reports of people infected with COVID-19 for a second time.         

Until we better understand COVID-19 immunity, it will not be possible to know how much of a population is immune and how long that immunity last for, let alone make future predictions. These challenges should preclude any plans that try to increase immunity within a population by allowing people to get infected.

Although older people and those with underlying conditions are most at risk of severe disease and death, they are not the only ones at risk.

Finally, while most infected people get mild or moderate forms of COVID-19 and some experience no disease, many become seriously ill and must be admitted into hospital. We are only beginning to understand the long-term health impacts among people who have had COVID-19, including what is being described as ‘Long COVID.’ WHO is working with clinicians and patient groups to better understand the long term effects of COVID-19.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"OP pmease read the details below taken from the WHO website, tnis explains why lockdown does work ...

What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death.

The vast majority of people in most countries remain susceptible to this virus. Seroprevalence surveys suggest that in most countries, less than 10% of the population have been infected with COVID-19.

We are still learning about immunity to COVID-19. Most people who are infected with COVID-19 develop an immune response within the first few weeks, but we don’t know how strong or lasting that immune response is, or how it differs for different people. There have also been reports of people infected with COVID-19 for a second time.         

Until we better understand COVID-19 immunity, it will not be possible to know how much of a population is immune and how long that immunity last for, let alone make future predictions. These challenges should preclude any plans that try to increase immunity within a population by allowing people to get infected.

Although older people and those with underlying conditions are most at risk of severe disease and death, they are not the only ones at risk.

Finally, while most infected people get mild or moderate forms of COVID-19 and some experience no disease, many become seriously ill and must be admitted into hospital. We are only beginning to understand the long-term health impacts among people who have had COVID-19, including what is being described as ‘Long COVID.’ WHO is working with clinicians and patient groups to better understand the long term effects of COVID-19.

"

You're missing the point. I didn't say lockdowns don't work at all. I said THE lockdown didn't work. The border stayed open, people went to work on crowded busses and various other holes in the system made it ineffective.

My argument is this half-ass lockdown caused more harm than good. Please look outside the WHO, their reputation speaks for itself. Corrupt officials and medical professionals who think they know best but hey maybe they don't. Hitler thought he knew best and people blindly followed him to some really dark places.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So the OP is disputing the lockdown hypothesis, that lockdowns reduces death?

Over the short-term -yes of course it does.

Long term, well that's another question isn't it.

If you wish to upset the law that all crows are black, you mustn't seek to show that no crows are; it is enough if you prove one single crow to be white.

William James

So it's enough to find one white crow right?

So you only need to fine one country that didn't lockdown, to disprove the lockdown saves 100's of thousands of lives hypothesis.....Sweden gets so much hate because of this......statista data shows,

COVID-19 deaths worldwide per million population as of June 11, 2021, by country Sweden is 29th in the world with 1,416 deaths per million.

A common myth maybe Sweden did nothing, that's not quite true.

March 10 2020

The general public was advised to avoid visiting hospitals or nursing homes unless necessary and people with respiratory symptoms were urged to stay at home of their work involved contact with risk groups.

March 11 2020

Gatherings of more than 500 people were banned.

March 14

The Swedish Forgeign Ministry recommended against travelling abroad.

March 16

The Public Health Authority urged people over 70 and over to avoid unnecessary social contacts as far as possible.

March 19

The Government declared that foreign citizens travelling from non-EEA countries would not be allowed to enter Sweden for the next 30 days. The Government also declared any people taking sick leave would not suffer salary reduction for the duration of the pandemic.

March 24

The Public Health Authority required that groups in restaurants, bars, cafes be placed one meter away from each other.

March 25

The prohibition on more than 500 people Gathering I one place was reduced to 50 people.

June 5 , the WHO announced a recommendation that people wear face masks in public, the Swedish Public Health Authority continued with its previous recommendation, that face mask only be used in Hospital and care homes for the elderly.

October 13

The Public Health Authority announced that measures would be taken on a local level, rather than a national basis, in recognition of the fact that there was a lot of variation in different regions.

October 20

Uppsala became the first region to make use of this option,following an increase in hospital admissions. People were advised to avoid physical contact with those outside their household, and to avoid travelling in public transport.

Uppsala was followed in tightening restrictions on October 27, when Skane decided to implement even more severe recommendations

October 29, Stockholm, Ostergotland and Vaster-gotland implemented similar measures to Uppsala and Malmo.

November 3

The Government announced that people would be forbidden from gathering in groups of more than 8 at the same table in restaurants - it also reiterated that employers show allow employees to work from home.

November 11

Restaurants and bars were forbidden from serving alcohol after 10pm and would need to close at 10.30pm.

November 19

The Government authorised the Public Health Authority to make decisions to stop visits to nursing homes on a county by county basis.

December 3rd, the Government announced that high school students (age 16 -19) would return to distance learning, as had been the case during the period in the spring.

December 18

The Government imposed more severe restrictions, restaurants and bars were ordered to stop serving alcohol at 8pm and groups of no more than 4. Shopping centres, gyms, supermarkets were orders to set a maximum number of visitors so over crowding would not happen.

Sweden managed their health crisis with the classic WHO guidelines (Pre Covid) on how to fight a pandemic, social distancing, hand santizing ect, whilst also protecting people's civil liberties too, restrictions were implemented throughout the year to mitigate and manage risk. (As above)

Angers Tengell, Sweden chief guy at the helm did a pretty decent job, navigating his country through a health crisis and any comparisons made to Norway or Finland show a complete bias towards the negative hypothesis.

Sweden are indeed the White Crow, they are 29th in the world for covid deaths per million, check out Statista. Whether Sweden locked down or did nothing, its irrelevant, its all about 'Swedens data' and they did lot better than many countries who locked down hard - (simple as)

In fact Professor Neil Ferguson acknowledged that Sweden had managed to suppress the transmission of the virus without draconian restrictions. ( The Telegraph 02-06-2020)

Belguim, Peru, Italy, Spain, France, USA and let's not forget the United Kingdom are all above Sweden.

As they say, no one ever gained wisdom by studying material that only reinforced their own predetermined ideas?

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By *orace pinkerMan
over a year ago

North west

Do you people who laugh at YouTube videos know that both lancet and the CDC both have YouTube channels giving out information about covid,there is more to YouTube than peppa pig

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you people who laugh at YouTube videos know that both lancet and the CDC both have YouTube channels giving out information about covid,there is more to YouTube than peppa pig"

Exactly, then post their views on a Swinging site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sweden has a different culture to the UK, so you can’t compare

Lockdown did work, you can see rates increase as it was lifted

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By *orace pinkerMan
over a year ago

North west


"Do you people who laugh at YouTube videos know that both lancet and the CDC both have YouTube channels giving out information about covid,there is more to YouTube than peppa pig

Exactly, then post their views on a Swinging site "

It seems the people on this swinging site know more about covid than anyone

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

OP there's no perfect solution.

Your post is asking for evidence that the lockdown worked.

The "lockdown" we had worked, in that it did what was intended and reduced infections sufficiently that the hospitals didn't get completely overwhelmed.

We have never had a total lockdown. Would a total lockdown have worked? It would certainly have meant even fewer infections but would it have grester detrimentalimoact on mentsl heal and the ecconomy? We dont know. The general public has struggled with the partial lockdowns and the lack of clarity hasn't helped.

It was always going to be a balancing act in an attempt to get the best overall result. Some countries have managed it much better than we have, others much worse.

Unfortunately, because every country and region is very different - age, population density, access to health care, ability to monitor remote regions, genersl population health etc -this makes it impossible to compare the UK accurately with anywhere else.

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Excuse all the spelling & grammatical errors

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By *llabouttheladyMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

Lockdown wasn’t supposed to stop the virus, it was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed to a point where it could not offer care for those in need.

There is a limited number of critical care beds that were/are highly occupied in general play, never mind in a pandemic going through flu season.

Don’t get me wrong, I think lockdowns are shit, but I’m smart enough to see that you can’t let a virus like this run riot. People would be dying in their own homes, mortuary’s and crematoriums/cemetery’s wouldn’t be able to cope.

Flip it on its head, the general public would be rioting because there was no beds available due to the government letting nature take its course.

The whole principle has been to delay the spread of the virus until a vaccine was available and distributed, or to manage the spread of the virus within the capability of the NHS until we get herd immunity.

As for Sweden, its not possible to compare them to us. It would be like comparing London to North Yorkshire, Sweden has a totally different age demographic, population density and behaviour. They listen to their government, follow the rules and are generally compliant. Some of our public can’t use a bin or pick up after their dog - even on the very streets that they live and walk.

It’s been a shit 18 months, it’s quite possibly going to be a shit face mask wearing autumn/winter ahead - but there is naff all we can do about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

That’s allot of words for “give me some attention”

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Also Sweden spends nearly twice per person on health than the uk. So would take more to overwhelm their health service. Although at one point for a short time in their first wave that was closer in sweden than it has ever been. Sweden were even worse at protecting their elderly care home residents than the uk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly this site is for having fun, not bloody politics, you wanna talk politics, go find a forum that's for politics not here, relax and have some fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden population density = 25 people per km2

UK population density = 275 people per km2"

Ok so compare that to Florida which has 405 per Km2 they didn't lock down either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lockdown wasn’t supposed to stop the virus, it was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed to a point where it could not offer care for those in need.

There is a limited number of critical care beds that were/are highly occupied in general play, never mind in a pandemic going through flu season.

Don’t get me wrong, I think lockdowns are shit, but I’m smart enough to see that you can’t let a virus like this run riot. People would be dying in their own homes, mortuary’s and crematoriums/cemetery’s wouldn’t be able to cope.

Flip it on its head, the general public would be rioting because there was no beds available due to the government letting nature take its course.

The whole principle has been to delay the spread of the virus until a vaccine was available and distributed, or to manage the spread of the virus within the capability of the NHS until we get herd immunity.

As for Sweden, its not possible to compare them to us. It would be like comparing London to North Yorkshire, Sweden has a totally different age demographic, population density and behaviour. They listen to their government, follow the rules and are generally compliant. Some of our public can’t use a bin or pick up after their dog - even on the very streets that they live and walk.

It’s been a shit 18 months, it’s quite possibly going to be a shit face mask wearing autumn/winter ahead - but there is naff all we can do about it.

"

Isn't there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lockdown wasn’t supposed to stop the virus, it was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed to a point where it could not offer care for those in need.

There is a limited number of critical care beds that were/are highly occupied in general play, never mind in a pandemic going through flu season.

Don’t get me wrong, I think lockdowns are shit, but I’m smart enough to see that you can’t let a virus like this run riot. People would be dying in their own homes, mortuary’s and crematoriums/cemetery’s wouldn’t be able to cope.

Flip it on its head, the general public would be rioting because there was no beds available due to the government letting nature take its course.

The whole principle has been to delay the spread of the virus until a vaccine was available and distributed, or to manage the spread of the virus within the capability of the NHS until we get herd immunity.

As for Sweden, its not possible to compare them to us. It would be like comparing London to North Yorkshire, Sweden has a totally different age demographic, population density and behaviour. They listen to their government, follow the rules and are generally compliant. Some of our public can’t use a bin or pick up after their dog - even on the very streets that they live and walk.

It’s been a shit 18 months, it’s quite possibly going to be a shit face mask wearing autumn/winter ahead - but there is naff all we can do about it.

"

Ok so why did they build loads of temporary hospitals that are now doing nothing and Did nothing through the plandemic?

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By *ucky24Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Lockdown wasn’t supposed to stop the virus.......

It’s been a shit 18 months, it’s quite possibly going to be a shit face mask wearing autumn/winter ahead - but there is naff all we can do about it.

Ok so why did they build loads of temporary hospitals that are now doing nothing and Did nothing through the plandemic?"

The reason the Nightingale hospitals were built was because the worst case scenario was they would be needed. That was the visible part there was a whole lot of stuff we didn't see like warehouses with refrigeration units parked in them to serve as mortuaries.

Basically we are comparing apples and oranges when looking at different countries as there are so many variables between countries.

However that doesn't stop us a debate on this and questioning what were the successes and failures of this government and more importantly what lessons have we learned

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

You could look at a graph of the number of new infections & deaths over time, it very simply shows how both of these figures begin to drop sharply after the first lockdown started, and the figures rose again after the lockdown ended... then followed a similar trend of rise & fall after the subsequent lockdowns and relaxation of restrictions.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

The ignorance is literally frightening.

Have you ever considered why some countries have far higher infection rates than others? Considered population density? International travel for business? People movements? Inter city

Connectivity?

Comparing the uk to Sweden insofar as infection profiles go, is like comparing a kangaroo to a one legged dwarf in an ass kicking competition.

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"OP pmease read the details below taken from the WHO website, tnis explains why lockdown does work ...

What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death.

The vast majority of people in most countries remain susceptible to this virus. Seroprevalence surveys suggest that in most countries, less than 10% of the population have been infected with COVID-19.

We are still learning about immunity to COVID-19. Most people who are infected with COVID-19 develop an immune response within the first few weeks, but we don’t know how strong or lasting that immune response is, or how it differs for different people. There have also been reports of people infected with COVID-19 for a second time.         

Until we better understand COVID-19 immunity, it will not be possible to know how much of a population is immune and how long that immunity last for, let alone make future predictions. These challenges should preclude any plans that try to increase immunity within a population by allowing people to get infected.

Although older people and those with underlying conditions are most at risk of severe disease and death, they are not the only ones at risk.

Finally, while most infected people get mild or moderate forms of COVID-19 and some experience no disease, many become seriously ill and must be admitted into hospital. We are only beginning to understand the long-term health impacts among people who have had COVID-19, including what is being described as ‘Long COVID.’ WHO is working with clinicians and patient groups to better understand the long term effects of COVID-19.

You're missing the point. I didn't say lockdowns don't work at all. I said THE lockdown didn't work. The border stayed open, people went to work on crowded busses and various other holes in the system made it ineffective.

My argument is this half-ass lockdown caused more harm than good. Please look outside the WHO, their reputation speaks for itself. Corrupt officials and medical professionals who think they know best but hey maybe they don't. Hitler thought he knew best and people blindly followed him to some really dark places. "

When you mention Hitler in comparison your argument is lost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sweden did lockdown in all but name. It was done voluntarily as there's a bigger sense of community responsibility than in the UK.

That said, it's had a higher proportion of deaths per capita than its Nordic neighbours because of it.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"You will focus your attention as you wish OP. Find appropriate sources of scientific evidence, instead of social sites etc.

We have 2 tools to reduce suffering, death etc - restrictions or vaccines.

Watch the video. It links to statistics etc. "

I stick with published peer reviewed evidence, rather than stray into the murky areas of the media, social media etc.

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

You know what fucks me off when people call the scientists or others involved "so called experts"?

How in the blue fuck can ANYONE be an expert when it comes to a virus no cunt has seen before?

Of course they ain't rona experts, they're human beings who've been working their tits off doing their best with the constantly changing info they've got in front of them.

That's like chucking a new planet at an astronomer, telling them to catch and bitching coz they may have made a few mistakes and got some shit wrong, whist doing the best with the knowledge they had.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"You know what fucks me off when people call the scientists or others involved "so called experts"?

How in the blue fuck can ANYONE be an expert when it comes to a virus no cunt has seen before?

Of course they ain't rona experts, they're human beings who've been working their tits off doing their best with the constantly changing info they've got in front of them.

That's like chucking a new planet at an astronomer, telling them to catch and bitching coz they may have made a few mistakes and got some shit wrong, whist doing the best with the knowledge they had. "

I mean at least it's an astronomer.

There are "corona virus virologists" out there. Like, ask them, not your local massage therapist, they might know where to start?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know what fucks me off when people call the scientists or others involved "so called experts"?

How in the blue fuck can ANYONE be an expert when it comes to a virus no cunt has seen before?

Of course they ain't rona experts, they're human beings who've been working their tits off doing their best with the constantly changing info they've got in front of them.

That's like chucking a new planet at an astronomer, telling them to catch and bitching coz they may have made a few mistakes and got some shit wrong, whist doing the best with the knowledge they had. "

This has actually made me want to marry you.

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By *hat BlokeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

My advice, go live in Sweden."

Yes… so why would a government do that?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"You know what fucks me off when people call the scientists or others involved "so called experts"?

How in the blue fuck can ANYONE be an expert when it comes to a virus no cunt has seen before?

Of course they ain't rona experts, they're human beings who've been working their tits off doing their best with the constantly changing info they've got in front of them.

That's like chucking a new planet at an astronomer, telling them to catch and bitching coz they may have made a few mistakes and got some shit wrong, whist doing the best with the knowledge they had.

I mean at least it's an astronomer.

There are "corona virus virologists" out there. Like, ask them, not your local massage therapist, they might know where to start?"

Personally, whenever I need to know something about the atmospheric composition of venus, or about supernova shockwaves travelling through the interstellar medium, I find the most reliable source of information to be the astrologer who lives down the road. They're a dab hand at casting a horoscope and if that fails to give the full picture they can always cross-check with the tea leaves...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing works.

Not even the brain from the looks of this

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"You know what fucks me off when people call the scientists or others involved "so called experts"?

How in the blue fuck can ANYONE be an expert when it comes to a virus no cunt has seen before?

Of course they ain't rona experts, they're human beings who've been working their tits off doing their best with the constantly changing info they've got in front of them.

That's like chucking a new planet at an astronomer, telling them to catch and bitching coz they may have made a few mistakes and got some shit wrong, whist doing the best with the knowledge they had.

I mean at least it's an astronomer.

There are "corona virus virologists" out there. Like, ask them, not your local massage therapist, they might know where to start?

Personally, whenever I need to know something about the atmospheric composition of venus, or about supernova shockwaves travelling through the interstellar medium, I find the most reliable source of information to be the astrologer who lives down the road. They're a dab hand at casting a horoscope and if that fails to give the full picture they can always cross-check with the tea leaves..."

When I have a dicky shoulder I run to my nearest chiropractor. All the same, I'm sure

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

I think the clue is in the title "propoganda"

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

well firstly you can't judge anything yet because lock down hasn't ended..so the result is not there yet.

Secondly..your source from YT is a tad 'suspect' ..However, as I said the outcome is not there yet..

You might change your mind if maybe you had to work on a Covid ward a few months back ? and compare that to where we are now? we would be in a heck f a state if things had been allowed to carry on.

I suggest that should be enough to convince you..

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford


"You know what fucks me off when people call the scientists or others involved "so called experts"?

How in the blue fuck can ANYONE be an expert when it comes to a virus no cunt has seen before?

Of course they ain't rona experts, they're human beings who've been working their tits off doing their best with the constantly changing info they've got in front of them.

That's like chucking a new planet at an astronomer, telling them to catch and bitching coz they may have made a few mistakes and got some shit wrong, whist doing the best with the knowledge they had. "

probably how Fleming felt..shitting himself he would get it wrong..but had to do it for the greater good..kind of similar maybe?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further. "

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston


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I insult those who disagree "

Mmmmmkay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its an interesting debate OP and i think the principle of a lockdown can work based on two principles:

(1) all border traffic closed except for freight

(2) everyone does as told/asked

I had regular virtual meetings with professional contacts in New Zealand all through this and they just seemed to get on with it when asked, no quibbles, hard lockdown, borders closed. Other countries or regimes, forced compliance. If our actions fall somewhere between the two then a lockdown will never be 100% - transmission is the key, always was and always will be and its the only way to break the cycle along with full vacination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lockdown prevented the NHS from collapse.

In that sense it was a success.

Long term, I wouldn't like to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot "

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists. "

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession."

And there lies a lot of the problem. A lot of anti vaxxers aren't basing there assumptions on any credible sources or scientific knowledge. Yet are still being allowed to wonder round mcr city centre with a sound system and leaflets full of misinformation.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession.

And there lies a lot of the problem. A lot of anti vaxxers aren't basing there assumptions on any credible sources or scientific knowledge. Yet are still being allowed to wonder round mcr city centre with a sound system and leaflets full of misinformation. "

Yes. And those without the tools to see through it are endangered by it.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession.

And there lies a lot of the problem. A lot of anti vaxxers aren't basing there assumptions on any credible sources or scientific knowledge. Yet are still being allowed to wonder round mcr city centre with a sound system and leaflets full of misinformation.

Yes. And those without the tools to see through it are endangered by it."

Someone should tell them that they would have better success with a homeopathic sound system. The quieter it was, the better their message would get across. And homeopathic leaflets. The less they give out, the more converts they will get.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession.

And there lies a lot of the problem. A lot of anti vaxxers aren't basing there assumptions on any credible sources or scientific knowledge. Yet are still being allowed to wonder round mcr city centre with a sound system and leaflets full of misinformation.

Yes. And those without the tools to see through it are endangered by it.

Someone should tell them that they would have better success with a homeopathic sound system. The quieter it was, the better their message would get across. And homeopathic leaflets. The less they give out, the more converts they will get. "

I wish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession.

And there lies a lot of the problem. A lot of anti vaxxers aren't basing there assumptions on any credible sources or scientific knowledge. Yet are still being allowed to wonder round mcr city centre with a sound system and leaflets full of misinformation.

Yes. And those without the tools to see through it are endangered by it.

Someone should tell them that they would have better success with a homeopathic sound system. The quieter it was, the better their message would get across. And homeopathic leaflets. The less they give out, the more converts they will get.

I wish "

Absolutely bang on. In their hearts of hearts they know what they are doing too. They are targeting a lot of Muslim, Hindus and afro carribean people in the city. It actually made me sick to watch.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession.

And there lies a lot of the problem. A lot of anti vaxxers aren't basing there assumptions on any credible sources or scientific knowledge. Yet are still being allowed to wonder round mcr city centre with a sound system and leaflets full of misinformation.

Yes. And those without the tools to see through it are endangered by it.

Someone should tell them that they would have better success with a homeopathic sound system. The quieter it was, the better their message would get across. And homeopathic leaflets. The less they give out, the more converts they will get.

I wish

Absolutely bang on. In their hearts of hearts they know what they are doing too. They are targeting a lot of Muslim, Hindus and afro carribean people in the city. It actually made me sick to watch. "

Fuck. That's so vile. It's bad enough when it's the over privileged we usually associate with the movement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession.

And there lies a lot of the problem. A lot of anti vaxxers aren't basing there assumptions on any credible sources or scientific knowledge. Yet are still being allowed to wonder round mcr city centre with a sound system and leaflets full of misinformation.

Yes. And those without the tools to see through it are endangered by it.

Someone should tell them that they would have better success with a homeopathic sound system. The quieter it was, the better their message would get across. And homeopathic leaflets. The less they give out, the more converts they will get.

I wish

Absolutely bang on. In their hearts of hearts they know what they are doing too. They are targeting a lot of Muslim, Hindus and afro carribean people in the city. It actually made me sick to watch.

Fuck. That's so vile. It's bad enough when it's the over privileged we usually associate with the movement."

Yep sat and people watched for an hour and it was primarily who they were targeting. It's interesting (not in a good way)

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A well covered presentation last year also covered homeopathy cures and the virus. The problem now is that there may be too much rona around for it to be diluted enough, to have enough strength, even if they just dilute some spike protein. The less there is, the stronger the effects. It may - may - work best if used with astrology, to get the timings right. After all, we've only had restrictions or the vaccines to get our results so far, so OP could potentially diversify further.

Hang on, wouldn't more Covid make it weaker, by homeopathic principles?

Maybe the lockdown sceptics are homeopaths. It'd explain a lot

All the anti vaxxers I know (which is a lot) are homeopaths or spiritualists.

It certainly isn't compatible with any conventional medical profession.

And there lies a lot of the problem. A lot of anti vaxxers aren't basing there assumptions on any credible sources or scientific knowledge. Yet are still being allowed to wonder round mcr city centre with a sound system and leaflets full of misinformation.

Yes. And those without the tools to see through it are endangered by it.

Someone should tell them that they would have better success with a homeopathic sound system. The quieter it was, the better their message would get across. And homeopathic leaflets. The less they give out, the more converts they will get.

I wish

Absolutely bang on. In their hearts of hearts they know what they are doing too. They are targeting a lot of Muslim, Hindus and afro carribean people in the city. It actually made me sick to watch.

Fuck. That's so vile. It's bad enough when it's the over privileged we usually associate with the movement.

Yep sat and people watched for an hour and it was primarily who they were targeting. It's interesting (not in a good way) "

Urgh. That makes my skin crawl

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

We’ve never had a “real” lockdown.

And a few idiots in certain areas have made the situation worse.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

NZ locked down boarders... clearly lockdown isolates an infection free population from those who are infected, be that at a national level or at an individual level works. Problem is effectively locking down at the individual level is difficult in a free society is difficult.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"Sweden population density = 25 people per km2

UK population density = 275 people per km2"

You cannot compare as Sweden’s population is mostly concentrated into a far smaller area. It’s the same when people talk about Australia. It isn’t an appropriate measure.

Not a comment in support or opposition to OP just a fact.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Sweden population density = 25 people per km2

UK population density = 275 people per km2

You cannot compare as Sweden’s population is mostly concentrated into a far smaller area. It’s the same when people talk about Australia. It isn’t an appropriate measure.

Not a comment in support or opposition to OP just a fact."

It might be one of a variety of factors to consider, but in isolation it is quite silly (and on Australia I find it very funny).

Culture (standoffish people or not, hygiene, natural mitigation, public transport use, outdoor use of space, and much more), individual decision making, country's policies, etc.

None of this is particularly amenable to a dick measuring contest on the virus forum, it's subtle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

I won't make any effort at all to change your mind. I spent far too many years working for a business minded control freak, during the height of Boris's bikes and buses. (Bikes which had to be relocated using diesel powered trucks and electric hybrid buses which ran on diesel exclusively because the electrics didn't work).

At the start of this plandemic, I was working with a conspiracy freak who paid me more, asked less of me, expected much less of me, forgave me when I sinned and I count him and his family as friends right now.

I am in no way convinced that the world is flat or that Rendlesham was anything other than an US military experiment gone wrong.

I am also completely certain that there IS a disease / virus out there and I fully believe it is causing havoc.

However, at present, as at the very beginning, I do suspect that it may have been started deliberately.

I recently realised the wisdom of this idea.

Put 100 red ants into a glass jar. Put 100 black ants into the same glass jar. They will exist together.

However, they are enemies.

If a third party violently shakes the jar, the red ants and black ants will follow their natural instincts. They will blame each other for their being shaken about and they will attack each other. Even though neither the red ants nor the black ants were guilty of shaking and being the cause of all out war.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

I won't make any effort at all to change your mind. I spent far too many years working for a business minded control freak, during the height of Boris's bikes and buses. (Bikes which had to be relocated using diesel powered trucks and electric hybrid buses which ran on diesel exclusively because the electrics didn't work).

At the start of this plandemic, I was working with a conspiracy freak who paid me more, asked less of me, expected much less of me, forgave me when I sinned and I count him and his family as friends right now.

I am in no way convinced that the world is flat or that Rendlesham was anything other than an US military experiment gone wrong.

I am also completely certain that there IS a disease / virus out there and I fully believe it is causing havoc.

However, at present, as at the very beginning, I do suspect that it may have been started deliberately.

I recently realised the wisdom of this idea.

Put 100 red ants into a glass jar. Put 100 black ants into the same glass jar. They will exist together.

However, they are enemies.

If a third party violently shakes the jar, the red ants and black ants will follow their natural instincts. They will blame each other for their being shaken about and they will attack each other. Even though neither the red ants nor the black ants were guilty of shaking and being the cause of all out war."

But in this virus scenario the red ants were alone in the jar and their leaders sent in a virus to kill them instead of black ants who werent in the jar yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

I won't make any effort at all to change your mind. I spent far too many years working for a business minded control freak, during the height of Boris's bikes and buses. (Bikes which had to be relocated using diesel powered trucks and electric hybrid buses which ran on diesel exclusively because the electrics didn't work).

At the start of this plandemic, I was working with a conspiracy freak who paid me more, asked less of me, expected much less of me, forgave me when I sinned and I count him and his family as friends right now.

I am in no way convinced that the world is flat or that Rendlesham was anything other than an US military experiment gone wrong.

I am also completely certain that there IS a disease / virus out there and I fully believe it is causing havoc.

However, at present, as at the very beginning, I do suspect that it may have been started deliberately.

I recently realised the wisdom of this idea.

Put 100 red ants into a glass jar. Put 100 black ants into the same glass jar. They will exist together.

However, they are enemies.

If a third party violently shakes the jar, the red ants and black ants will follow their natural instincts. They will blame each other for their being shaken about and they will attack each other. Even though neither the red ants nor the black ants were guilty of shaking and being the cause of all out war.

But in this virus scenario the red ants were alone in the jar and their leaders sent in a virus to kill them instead of black ants who werent in the jar yet "

Aah, I see where you're coming from, but don't misjudge the reds. Name all countries to have already deliberately used nukes on planet earth in an act of war.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

I won't make any effort at all to change your mind. I spent far too many years working for a business minded control freak, during the height of Boris's bikes and buses. (Bikes which had to be relocated using diesel powered trucks and electric hybrid buses which ran on diesel exclusively because the electrics didn't work).

At the start of this plandemic, I was working with a conspiracy freak who paid me more, asked less of me, expected much less of me, forgave me when I sinned and I count him and his family as friends right now.

I am in no way convinced that the world is flat or that Rendlesham was anything other than an US military experiment gone wrong.

I am also completely certain that there IS a disease / virus out there and I fully believe it is causing havoc.

However, at present, as at the very beginning, I do suspect that it may have been started deliberately.

I recently realised the wisdom of this idea.

Put 100 red ants into a glass jar. Put 100 black ants into the same glass jar. They will exist together.

However, they are enemies.

If a third party violently shakes the jar, the red ants and black ants will follow their natural instincts. They will blame each other for their being shaken about and they will attack each other. Even though neither the red ants nor the black ants were guilty of shaking and being the cause of all out war.

But in this virus scenario the red ants were alone in the jar and their leaders sent in a virus to kill them instead of black ants who werent in the jar yet

Aah, I see where you're coming from, but don't misjudge the reds. Name all countries to have already deliberately used nukes on planet earth in an act of war."

Not sure what that has to do with it. Name all the countries that begin with the letter P

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

I won't make any effort at all to change your mind. I spent far too many years working for a business minded control freak, during the height of Boris's bikes and buses. (Bikes which had to be relocated using diesel powered trucks and electric hybrid buses which ran on diesel exclusively because the electrics didn't work).

At the start of this plandemic, I was working with a conspiracy freak who paid me more, asked less of me, expected much less of me, forgave me when I sinned and I count him and his family as friends right now.

I am in no way convinced that the world is flat or that Rendlesham was anything other than an US military experiment gone wrong.

I am also completely certain that there IS a disease / virus out there and I fully believe it is causing havoc.

However, at present, as at the very beginning, I do suspect that it may have been started deliberately.

I recently realised the wisdom of this idea.

Put 100 red ants into a glass jar. Put 100 black ants into the same glass jar. They will exist together.

However, they are enemies.

If a third party violently shakes the jar, the red ants and black ants will follow their natural instincts. They will blame each other for their being shaken about and they will attack each other. Even though neither the red ants nor the black ants were guilty of shaking and being the cause of all out war.

But in this virus scenario the red ants were alone in the jar and their leaders sent in a virus to kill them instead of black ants who werent in the jar yet

Aah, I see where you're coming from, but don't misjudge the reds. Name all countries to have already deliberately used nukes on planet earth in an act of war.

Not sure what that has to do with it. Name all the countries that begin with the letter P "

Equally controversial, but it bends the truth from the topic of convo. Pakistan, Palau, Palestine State?

Panama? Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Phillipines, Poland, Portugal.

Meanwhile, to come back to topic, can you name countries which have deliberately nuked other countries?

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

I won't change your mind because very few people are willing to have their minds changed. What I would say is that sen had more deaths than equivalent countries.

Covid thrives in high population density areas and the UK is one of them. Sweden is far less dense.

So you have to look at similar countries that took a different route.

Sweden had 1431 deaths per million with no lockdown.

The Denmark had 431 dpm.

Finland had 91 dpm.

Norway had 144 dpm.

So comparable countries with a lockdown statistically fared better than Sweden without.

But it will not change anyone's mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

YouTube?! At least it’s better than quoting the biased anti-government BBC

You’re can’t compare with other countries with different climates, population clusters etc

There is no exact like for like with Britain "

Anti government? Are you out of your mind?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

I won't change your mind because very few people are willing to have their minds changed. What I would say is that sen had more deaths than equivalent countries.

Covid thrives in high population density areas and the UK is one of them. Sweden is far less dense.

So you have to look at similar countries that took a different route.

Sweden had 1431 deaths per million with no lockdown.

The Denmark had 431 dpm.

Finland had 91 dpm.

Norway had 144 dpm.

So comparable countries with a lockdown statistically fared better than Sweden without.

But it will not change anyone's mind.

"

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

All the data is showing that lockdowns have made no difference. Talkradio really dug into the numbers/data this week and the evidence says it all.

Fucking criminal what they’ve done.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

I won't make any effort at all to change your mind. I spent far too many years working for a business minded control freak, during the height of Boris's bikes and buses. (Bikes which had to be relocated using diesel powered trucks and electric hybrid buses which ran on diesel exclusively because the electrics didn't work).

At the start of this plandemic, I was working with a conspiracy freak who paid me more, asked less of me, expected much less of me, forgave me when I sinned and I count him and his family as friends right now.

I am in no way convinced that the world is flat or that Rendlesham was anything other than an US military experiment gone wrong.

I am also completely certain that there IS a disease / virus out there and I fully believe it is causing havoc.

However, at present, as at the very beginning, I do suspect that it may have been started deliberately.

I recently realised the wisdom of this idea.

Put 100 red ants into a glass jar. Put 100 black ants into the same glass jar. They will exist together.

However, they are enemies.

If a third party violently shakes the jar, the red ants and black ants will follow their natural instincts. They will blame each other for their being shaken about and they will attack each other. Even though neither the red ants nor the black ants were guilty of shaking and being the cause of all out war.

But in this virus scenario the red ants were alone in the jar and their leaders sent in a virus to kill them instead of black ants who werent in the jar yet

Aah, I see where you're coming from, but don't misjudge the reds. Name all countries to have already deliberately used nukes on planet earth in an act of war.

Not sure what that has to do with it. Name all the countries that begin with the letter P

Equally controversial, but it bends the truth from the topic of convo. Pakistan, Palau, Palestine State?

Panama? Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Phillipines, Poland, Portugal.

Meanwhile, to come back to topic, can you name countries which have deliberately nuked other countries?"

Not going to as that has absolutely fuck all to do with the topic. Either ants or lockdown

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

If lockdown doesn’t reduce transmission, why doesn’t it? Logically I can’t transmit a respiratory virus to someone else if I go near no one else can I? Convince me otherwise?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If lockdown doesn’t reduce transmission, why doesn’t it? Logically I can’t transmit a respiratory virus to someone else if I go near no one else can I? Convince me otherwise?"

Perfectly obvious and simple to me as well buddy, but some just can't understand this basic action. More interested in arguing some fake agenda or twisting factual data to have a moan. Its the very same people who are extending their own pain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

All the data is showing that lockdowns have made no difference. Talkradio really dug into the numbers/data this week and the evidence says it all.

Fucking criminal what they’ve done.

"

Really? And what is that data...please educated me....im more than intrigued.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


" Take your best shot NPCs

"

You can always tell when someone spends too much time watching far right conspiracy theory level videos on YouTube when they come out with this kind of drivel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Take your best shot NPCs

You can always tell when someone spends too much time watching far right conspiracy theory level videos on YouTube when they come out with this kind of drivel. "

Indeed my friend. Clealy the world's leading scientists and medical experts are all wrong and frauds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate "

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

As I thought the reasoned points about different demographics in each country was ignored.

The facts that countries with similar demographics to Sweden but did lock down and had fewer deaths per million, ignored.

Nope there was no convincing required it was simply a away to start shouting abuse at others.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"If lockdown doesn’t reduce transmission, why doesn’t it? Logically I can’t transmit a respiratory virus to someone else if I go near no one else can I? Convince me otherwise?

Perfectly obvious and simple to me as well buddy, but some just can't understand this basic action. More interested in arguing some fake agenda or twisting factual data to have a moan. Its the very same people who are extending their own pain.

Because the lockdown hasn't exactly stopped the spread of the infection. It still spreads. People still work, travel and mix regardless of the rules. Think before being so ignorant. The main stream media, big pharma and many others profit from this situation going on as long as possible. They want you scared. "

“Hasn’t exactly stopped the spread...”. Ah so are you conceding that keeping people apart does reduce transmission but lockdowns have simply not been tight enough to stop all transmission? So lockdown has worked, just not exactly well enough to end the pandemic...

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By *emartesMan
over a year ago

Brixton/Oval

You need only look at some of footage coming out of India to know what an overwhelmed health service looks like.

I think it's fair to criticise how we went about the lockdown and hope their will be a formal review. But lockdowns have worked in every country where they've been used.

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away


"As I thought the reasoned points about different demographics in each country was ignored.

The facts that countries with similar demographics to Sweden but did lock down and had fewer deaths per million, ignored.

Nope there was no convincing required it was simply a away to start shouting abuse at others.

"

Seems to be the way of things on here sadly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh dear. You shouldn't watch so much YouTube"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You need only look at some of footage coming out of India to know what an overwhelmed health service looks like.

I think it's fair to criticise how we went about the lockdown and hope their will be a formal review. But lockdowns have worked in every country where they've been used. "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"As I thought the reasoned points about different demographics in each country was ignored.

The facts that countries with similar demographics to Sweden but did lock down and had fewer deaths per million, ignored.

Nope there was no convincing required it was simply a away to start shouting abuse at others.

"

Sadly the case when people who are intent on ignoring such differences as it runs a coach and horses through their position..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

I won't make any effort at all to change your mind. I spent far too many years working for a business minded control freak, during the height of Boris's bikes and buses. (Bikes which had to be relocated using diesel powered trucks and electric hybrid buses which ran on diesel exclusively because the electrics didn't work).

At the start of this plandemic, I was working with a conspiracy freak who paid me more, asked less of me, expected much less of me, forgave me when I sinned and I count him and his family as friends right now.

I am in no way convinced that the world is flat or that Rendlesham was anything other than an US military experiment gone wrong.

I am also completely certain that there IS a disease / virus out there and I fully believe it is causing havoc.

However, at present, as at the very beginning, I do suspect that it may have been started deliberately.

I recently realised the wisdom of this idea.

Put 100 red ants into a glass jar. Put 100 black ants into the same glass jar. They will exist together.

However, they are enemies.

If a third party violently shakes the jar, the red ants and black ants will follow their natural instincts. They will blame each other for their being shaken about and they will attack each other. Even though neither the red ants nor the black ants were guilty of shaking and being the cause of all out war."

This is just too good. Bravo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

You do realise you just quoted a YouTube video which included “cool propaganda bro” in its title?

Try thinking about the makeup of Sweden compared to the U.K. in terms of population and space. Compare Sweden to its similar layout neighbours and ask yourself why their mortality rates are a shower of shit compared to Denmark, Norway and Finland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

You do realise you just quoted a YouTube video which included “cool propaganda bro” in its title?

Try thinking about the makeup of Sweden compared to the U.K. in terms of population and space. Compare Sweden to its similar layout neighbours and ask yourself why their mortality rates are a shower of shit compared to Denmark, Norway and Finland.

"

boom!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say there's a lot of logical replies that you've had on this thread to help change your mind mate

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"Oh dear. You shouldn't watch so much YouTube"

There's probably more factual stuff on Youtube than the BBC

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

I'd rather just agree to disagree and move on with my life.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Oh dear. You shouldn't watch so much YouTube

There's probably more factual stuff on Youtube than the BBC"

There's also alot more crackpots.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Oh dear. You shouldn't watch so much YouTube

There's probably more factual stuff on Youtube than the BBC

There's also alot more crackpots."

It's a lot less filtered and there are less consequences for posting utter twaddle.

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By *tstillworksMan
over a year ago

Darlington


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate "

And if you do have an opinion that doesn’t fit in with the doom merchant brigade you have to self flagellate for ten days whilst wearing a mask and watching endless slides of graphs on what will probably happen but very rarely does

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

And if you do have an opinion that doesn’t fit in with the doom merchant brigade you have to self flagellate for ten days whilst wearing a mask and watching endless slides of graphs on what will probably happen but very rarely does "

It's funny how the "doom merchants" aren't the ones prophesying an end to democracy or worse

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

And if you do have an opinion that doesn’t fit in with the doom merchant brigade you have to self flagellate for ten days whilst wearing a mask and watching endless slides of graphs on what will probably happen but very rarely does "

Can I watch?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

And if you do have an opinion that doesn’t fit in with the doom merchant brigade you have to self flagellate for ten days whilst wearing a mask and watching endless slides of graphs on what will probably happen but very rarely does

Can I watch? "

It's already on YouTube somewhere...

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

And if you do have an opinion that doesn’t fit in with the doom merchant brigade you have to self flagellate for ten days whilst wearing a mask and watching endless slides of graphs on what will probably happen but very rarely does

Can I watch?

It's already on YouTube somewhere..."

Bloody YouTube

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen

Dear god man. Have you no idea? You're not allowed to have an opinion unless that opinion has been formed by constantly watching the BBC. Sort your life out mate

And if you do have an opinion that doesn’t fit in with the doom merchant brigade you have to self flagellate for ten days whilst wearing a mask and watching endless slides of graphs on what will probably happen but very rarely does

Can I watch? "

Kinky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sweden had no lockdown and less deaths per million population than many countries who chose to lockdown. Lockdown is probably killing us more than Covid. Take your best shot NPCs

Source: YouTube video, "LA Times says lockdown saved lives with no economic impact | cool propaganda bro" by Matt Christiansen"

Where on earth have you been the last 18 months?

#useyourloaf

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