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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town

On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

… yes

Quite worrying when you consider this : https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/eu-set-unveil-plans-bloc-wide-digital-wallet-ft-2021-06-01/

This has less and less to do with vaccinations and health and more to do with control.

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By *erriAnneTV/TS
over a year ago

The shire

To start off with saying Tony Blair the great man says all I need to know about this post. Oh dear me

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"To start off with saying Tony Blair the great man says all I need to know about this post. Oh dear me "

Read it...ever heard of irony?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"… yes

Quite worrying when you consider this : https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/eu-set-unveil-plans-bloc-wide-digital-wallet-ft-2021-06-01/

This has less and less to do with vaccinations and health and more to do with control."

Politicians had been in talks about Vaccine passports as far back as 2018,

The European Commission published a proposal for vaccine passports on 26 April 2018.

The document was called Strengthened Cooperation against Vaccine Preventable Diseases.

Easily found online.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? "

The irony alert has just gone off.

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By *heblackmacMan
over a year ago

Ladywell, Lewisham.

Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt .

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . "

Hmm

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"To start off with saying Tony Blair the great man says all I need to know about this post. Oh dear me

Read it...ever heard of irony? "

Lol

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

"

That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.

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By *ixieUKMan
over a year ago

MORDEN


"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . "

Ditto

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Presumably old Tony is going to be travelling to Iraq for his hols then

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By *ixieUKMan
over a year ago

MORDEN


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true. "

I agree absolutely, should of been hung for war crimes

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.

I agree absolutely, should of been hung for war crimes "

You realise we dont have the death penalty in this country anymore?

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

The creature Blair

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . "

Understand your feelings about the man.

Where would you rank the PM and his cronies, just purely out of interest ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Lot of love for mr blair around

Presumably any politician responsible for the deaths of people should be called to be hanged?

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By *1n_eaterMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

He needs held accountable for crimes against the country and the military. May his balls turn to bicycle wheels and back peddle up his arse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Lot of love for mr blair around

Presumably any politician responsible for the deaths of people should be called to be hanged?"

My point exactly.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus."

When there's any credible evidence for the assertion

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lot of love for mr blair around

Presumably any politician responsible for the deaths of people should be called to be hanged?

My point exactly. "

Just waiting for an.answer..this should be good

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? "

Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ?

Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10"

I think irony is a foreign concept on here.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ?

Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10

I think irony is a foreign concept on here."

How dare you mention foreigners

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ?

Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10

I think irony is a foreign concept on here.

How dare you mention foreigners "

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By *alldarksurreyMan
over a year ago

surrey

What makes it worse is that he would have been paid more than some people earn in a year to make that speech!

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . "

Harsh. Tho agree he is a cxxt

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Taps fingers....

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By *hat BlokeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Going slightly off topic, if you only had the choice of two. Who would you pick? Blair or Johnson?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ?

Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10

I think irony is a foreign concept on here.

How dare you mention foreigners "

... Leaves thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is this war criminal even getting airtime.

Bloody bbc.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Going slightly off topic, if you only had the choice of two. Who would you pick? Blair or Johnson?"

Not really

Blair is practically receiving death threats for having people die on his watch.

Does this apply to every politician?

It's a very simple question.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

Hitler once said he was building Summer camps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only logged on for a wank...now I know all about this covid thingy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hitler once said he was building Summer camps "

He did , you ever been to butlins ??

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By *abbey newMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

This war criminal should a been put up against a wall long ago....evil horrid individual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tony Blair is a total prick ran this country into the ground then fucked off to let other people pick up the pieces , should have been hung for treason after letting all them poor people die in the second Iraq conflict when he was bum licking his old pal George bush , Blair should just shut his mouth and fuck off to the abyss Rant Over lol

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Lovely stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Tony Blair is a total prick ran this country into the ground then fucked off to let other people pick up the pieces , should have been hung for treason after letting all them poor people die in the second Iraq conflict when he was bum licking his old pal George bush , Blair should just shut his mouth and fuck off to the abyss Rant Over lol"

I think David Kelly's family would agree with you.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Watched as allways on a sunday morning! Totally disagree! Shd all have the same freedoms vaxed or not! X

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By *ingerpopMan
over a year ago

grimsby

He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditch

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I wonder what the families of those shoved in to care homes and died would think.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ?

Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10

I think irony is a foreign concept on here.

How dare you mention foreigners

... Leaves thread"

That was just a joke and as such addressed to Lionel - no offense to anybody intended

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Obvs if a Tory gmnt would have led us into a pointless war,the responses would be just as poisonous.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Is there much relevance or weight in what Blair says regards vaccinations? He isn’t a virologist and he is no involved in the government briefings from SAGE et al. I can’t see that how he would really know a great deal more than you or I.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditch"
well said couldn’t have said it better

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditchwell said couldn’t have said it better "

You know, I would not, could not actually think or say this about anybody. It is against basic humanity principles in my world,

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditchwell said couldn’t have said it better

You know, I would not, could not actually think or say this about anybody. It is against basic humanity principles in my world,"

Like I said.. they dont do irony in here.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditchwell said couldn’t have said it better

You know, I would not, could not actually think or say this about anybody. It is against basic humanity principles in my world,"

Agreed is just wrong to say such a thing! X

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By *ooljoeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Who still listens to Tony Blair the ruthless liar.He must be eyeing a deal in the vaccine production to make more money.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

A former pm who lies?

Thank goodness we Dodged a bullet there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus."

Spot in there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Going slightly off topic, if you only had the choice of two. Who would you pick? Blair or Johnson?"

Neither

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

When there's any credible evidence for the assertion"

Better 5G signal.

Microsoft sales up.

People becoming more magnetic.

Less people trying to hide their Lizard ancestry.

.

.

What more evidence do you need?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent."

Blair never needed to be fact checked on a daily basis.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent."

All the more worrying to think what might be coming …

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent.

All the more worrying to think what might be coming …"

Thank you for the link Reuters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent.

All the more worrying to think what might be coming …"

Blair and his right hand man Campbell were the start of this modern media manipulation which has been constantly refined ending up with Johnson and Cummings and whoever is now Cummings replacement.

Perhaps it is better that people like Campbell and Cummings who were not elected are now more visible to the electorate.

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . "

If Tony C**t Blair supports vaccine passports then it must be a terrible idea.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Send Blair to Iraq with no bodyguard or return ticket

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By *ussymufferMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

How many lives have been lost with his WMD claim.

Someone must be paying him to say something he dose nothing for nothing he's just a nasty person and should be in jail for war crimes

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes


"How many lives have been lost with his WMD claim.

Someone must be paying him to say something he dose nothing for nothing he's just a nasty person and should be in jail for war crimes "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus."

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!"

Which is done by … controlling the people.

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By *ammisuxTV/TS
over a year ago

Uxbridge

[Removed by poster at 06/06/21 13:06:23]

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By *ammisuxTV/TS
over a year ago

Uxbridge


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . "

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people."

A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect..

We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far..

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work."

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How many lives have been lost with his WMD claim.

Someone must be paying him to say something he dose nothing for nothing he's just a nasty person and should be in jail for war crimes "

Completely agree.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people.

A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect..

We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.."

I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ?

Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10

I think irony is a foreign concept on here.

How dare you mention foreigners

... Leaves thread

That was just a joke and as such addressed to Lionel - no offense to anybody intended "

I know. I was joking too, sorry

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people."

No...which is done by vaccination.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people.

A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect..

We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far..

I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns.

"

Agreed! Think most people are realizing this now! X

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people.

A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect..

We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far..

I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns.

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That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc..

Same with those who seek to profit..

Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea..

He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight..

In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people.

No...which is done by vaccination. "

Vaccinating the virus or vaccinating people?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people.

A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect..

We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far..

I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns.

That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc..

Same with those who seek to profit..

Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea..

He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight..

In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'.."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only news about the warmongering, lying Blair I will ever be interested in is when he stands trial for his war crimes.

He still doesn't understand that the majority of us wish he would climb back under his rock and stay there.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The only news about the warmongering, lying Blair I will ever be interested in is when he stands trial for his war crimes.

He still doesn't understand that the majority of us wish he would climb back under his rock and stay there."

Shame that isnt going to happen.isnt it?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus."

The “jab” is about money! Lots of money. Some people are and will get very rich off of this.

I am not saying the vaccines don’t work, but this is not about altruism and saving lives/the world, it is about money.

I would be willing to bet Blair has financial interests in some of these vaccine producers.

And before anyone says “ah but that’s capitalism” many of the arguments against other non vaccine medical interventions are supported by statements on how they are about money too.

It’s sadly always about money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only news about the warmongering, lying Blair I will ever be interested in is when he stands trial for his war crimes.

He still doesn't understand that the majority of us wish he would climb back under his rock and stay there.

Shame that isnt going to happen.isnt it?"

His time will come.

Karma is a bitch.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.

I agree absolutely, should of been hung for war crimes

You realise we dont have the death penalty in this country anymore?"

Law and justice are two different things, increasingly.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

When there's any credible evidence for the assertion"

There is evidence in abundance, you just don't accept it.

My jury is out - I find it almost impossible to accept as a concept, but the evidence is becoming overwhelming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

When there's any credible evidence for the assertion

There is evidence in abundance, you just don't accept it.

My jury is out - I find it almost impossible to accept as a concept, but the evidence is becoming overwhelming. "

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The only news about the warmongering, lying Blair I will ever be interested in is when he stands trial for his war crimes.

He still doesn't understand that the majority of us wish he would climb back under his rock and stay there.

Shame that isnt going to happen.isnt it?

His time will come.

Karma is a bitch."

Right.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Hitler once said he was building Summer camps "

Yes, and segregated a people 'for the good of our country'...

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditchwell said couldn’t have said it better

You know, I would not, could not actually think or say this about anybody. It is against basic humanity principles in my world,"

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . "

Some brilliant scientists believe it is you who is more likely to pass the resistant variant on to the unvaccinated!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work."

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

"

Tony Blair when he was elected as I remember when people's loved ones were in the army wanted them to return home because their wasn't a war going on and he refused this request also I remember that he resigned and did say that it was a wrong decision that he made at that time so what other decisions has he made that were also wrong.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

"

Coming from a known globalist shill and con man this stance is hardly surprising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin.

When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant.

Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin.

When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant.

Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties."

Sadly very few seem to be able to address that point

Apparently tony blair was the only politician to ever take us into a pointless war.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin.

When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant.

Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties."

Quite

Plus, I can think Blair has a terrible record and that he has a point.

Imagine separating the argument from the personality. Goodness

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Whats that phrase about truth being the 1st casualty in war?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Whats that phrase about truth being the 1st casualty in war?"

It seems to be much more about feelings, outrage, and loyalty to cranks these days. It's bloody ridiculous.

The data is in. Sorry, not sorry.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin.

When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant.

Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties.

Quite

Plus, I can think Blair has a terrible record and that he has a point.

Imagine separating the argument from the personality. Goodness "

I haven't read the 90 messages in the middle... But that was pretty much the purpose of the post... That good ideas can come from any quarter and aren't owned by only one side of the argument or political spectrum.

I think ex leaders often have wisdom that they should have shown whilst in power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

"
hes a bigger dick head than i thought then all be prisoners if he got his way

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin.

When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant.

Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties.

Quite

Plus, I can think Blair has a terrible record and that he has a point.

Imagine separating the argument from the personality. Goodness

I haven't read the 90 messages in the middle... But that was pretty much the purpose of the post... That good ideas can come from any quarter and aren't owned by only one side of the argument or political spectrum.

I think ex leaders often have wisdom that they should have shown whilst in power. "

Oh agreed. I'll hold my nose and agree with him. If he's right he's right.

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk


"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? "

Exactly..you know his lying as his lips are moving..

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By *ammisuxTV/TS
over a year ago

Uxbridge


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely "

Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely

Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people."

Not arguing anyone should be injected.

Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely

Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people.

Not arguing anyone should be injected.

Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument"

Tony Blair said so

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By *ammisuxTV/TS
over a year ago

Uxbridge


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely

Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people.

Not arguing anyone should be injected.

Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument

Tony Blair said so"

So you're saying house arrest for anyone not injected? Can you hear yourself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Not arguing anyone should be injected.

Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument"

It’s the same argument where i did not vote Conservative or ever have and yet i do accept to live under a Tory local Council and a Tory National Government because they have been democratically elected.

Same goes for the vaccine.

Democratically elected Governments are giving you the choice to have or have not. If you choose not then there is the penalty paid.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely

Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people.

Not arguing anyone should be injected.

Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument

Tony Blair said so

So you're saying house arrest for anyone not injected? Can you hear yourself?"

I'm clarifying the argument, not making it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And you’d rather have Boris Johnson.

You’re right, Tony Blair’s government only brought peace to Northern Ireland, introduced the national minimum wage, raised police numbers by 14,000, cut crime by 32%, doubled school funding, introduced 85,000 new nurses and 32,000 doctors, introduced gift aid, increased child benefit by nearly 30%, introduced the winter fuel payment, lifted 1 million pensioners and 600,000 children out of poverty, introduced 32,000 teachers and nearly 250,000 school support staff, cut long term youth unemployment by 70%… I could go on.

What have any of the Tory showers of shit done since? Yes, the Iraq war was a calamity but how quickly people forget when they were well off.

Read history.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"And you’d rather have Boris Johnson.

You’re right, Tony Blair’s government only brought peace to Northern Ireland, introduced the national minimum wage, raised police numbers by 14,000, cut crime by 32%, doubled school funding, introduced 85,000 new nurses and 32,000 doctors, introduced gift aid, increased child benefit by nearly 30%, introduced the winter fuel payment, lifted 1 million pensioners and 600,000 children out of poverty, introduced 32,000 teachers and nearly 250,000 school support staff, cut long term youth unemployment by 70%… I could go on.

What have any of the Tory showers of shit done since? Yes, the Iraq war was a calamity but how quickly people forget when they were well off.

Read history.

"

Those who study history are doomed to repeatedly facepalm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda."

I do realise the REAL reason for vaccination. Herd immunity, self protection, and protection of the vulnerable

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda."

What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do realise the REAL reason for vaccination. Herd immunity, self protection, and protection of the vulnerable "

You obviously dont understand then.

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

"

Bout time someone saw sense covid passports all the way

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I do realise the REAL reason for vaccination. Herd immunity, self protection, and protection of the vulnerable

You obviously dont understand then."

I have no idea what reason might be behind vaccinations to deal with a worldwide pandemic... other than this.

Hence the question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great PM. Since he left office it has been one disaster after another. Iraq war was legal and justified but poorly executed by the american military planners

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I do realise the REAL reason for vaccination. Herd immunity, self protection, and protection of the vulnerable

You obviously dont understand then."

I mean, medicine for medical purposes seems logical.

What else could it be? Surely no one believes the lizard people Bill Gates microchips agenda anymore, do they? World domination, genocide? It was funny for awhile, but it's not even remotely plausible, no one sensible would believe anything like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda.

What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why?"

Total control of the worlds people and depopulation. Its all out there, not from conspiracy sites but from the mouths of the world leaders themselves. Fauchi created a virus for his mate bill gates to create the antivirus. Trillions to be made for the elite out of all this and its worked better than even they could have envisaged xxx

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely "

Totally agree its the unvaccinated that are at higher risk of death or serious side effects this in time uses valuable NHS resources that could be used for non covid things

Stick to what was said at the start protect the vulnerable which are now the non vaccinated

Easiest way is to restrict their movements in public places

Thumbs up for a covid passport

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda.

What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why?

Total control of the worlds people and depopulation. Its all out there, not from conspiracy sites but from the mouths of the world leaders themselves. Fauchi created a virus for his mate bill gates to create the antivirus. Trillions to be made for the elite out of all this and its worked better than even they could have envisaged xxx"

If I post you a tinfoil hat can you promise me to never have children or vote?

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda.

What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why?

Total control of the worlds people and depopulation. Its all out there, not from conspiracy sites but from the mouths of the world leaders themselves. Fauchi created a virus for his mate bill gates to create the antivirus. Trillions to be made for the elite out of all this and its worked better than even they could have envisaged xxx"

There's so many things wrong with this statement.

1. There's no chance that so many countries could possibly all agree on one thing.

2. There's lots of different types of vaccine

3. These vaccines have been developed using at least 3 different methods

4. Bill Gates isn't a virologist and is in no position to create a vaccine

5. It's not an anti virus. That's not how vaccines work.

6. There's no value is killing the "plebs" as you then have to do your own dirty work

7. There's very little monetary value in vaccines. Companies much prefer medical problems that require long term daily dosages.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely

Totally agree its the unvaccinated that are at higher risk of death or serious side effects "

Not necessarily. Take the Indian strain for instance, AZ may only be 60% effective against it, prophylactic Ivermectin may be as much as 83%.

So who should be locked indoors if it becomes the dominant strain, hmm?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus."
they wont.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont. "

Because it’s not. That was easy.

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely

Totally agree its the unvaccinated that are at higher risk of death or serious side effects

Not necessarily. Take the Indian strain for instance, AZ may only be 60% effective against it, prophylactic Ivermectin may be as much as 83%.

So who should be locked indoors if it becomes the dominant strain, hmm? "

60% is still better than 0%

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy. "

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy. "

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy.

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects "

Control of the problem, not control of the population.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy.

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects

Control of the problem, not control of the population. "

For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TONY BLIAR.

I'm ex Forces and he took us to an illegal war that cost too many lives of Servicemen and women. He is a war criminal and should be in jail. End of.

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy.

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects

Control of the problem, not control of the population.

For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies."

Good point.

Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy.

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects

Control of the problem, not control of the population.

For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies.

Good point.

Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits?"

Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon.

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy.

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects

Control of the problem, not control of the population.

For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies.

Good point.

Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits?

Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon."

I don't see who gains from this though... is it just power for the sake of it?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy.

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects

Control of the problem, not control of the population.

For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies.

Good point.

Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits?

Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon.

I don't see who gains from this though... is it just power for the sake of it? "

I don't know. I really don't. Some of this stuff is just beyond my comprehension. But there's speculation about and analysis of this kind of thing around. I'm not well informed enough to comment intelligently.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it."

I'm ex services and was a bit unsure about going on the march in London, needn't have worried I was at one point walking alongside an ex Chindit who's grandson was AAC and had expressed his opposition to the path the country was on..

It's a valid point that be whilst the lib Dems opposed it and over 130 Labour MPs it only went through because the Tory party nigh on fully supported Bush and Blair..

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy.

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects

Control of the problem, not control of the population.

For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies.

Good point.

Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits?

Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon.

I don't see who gains from this though... is it just power for the sake of it?

I don't know. I really don't. Some of this stuff is just beyond my comprehension. But there's speculation about and analysis of this kind of thing around. I'm not well informed enough to comment intelligently."

Clearly I'm not either

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid .

Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work.

the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely

Totally agree its the unvaccinated that are at higher risk of death or serious side effects

Not necessarily. Take the Indian strain for instance, AZ may only be 60% effective against it, prophylactic Ivermectin may be as much as 83%.

So who should be locked indoors if it becomes the dominant strain, hmm?

60% is still better than 0%

"

Lol, duh!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

they wont.

Because it’s not. That was easy.

It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects

Control of the problem, not control of the population.

For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies.

Good point.

Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits?

Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon.

I don't see who gains from this though... is it just power for the sake of it?

I don't know. I really don't. Some of this stuff is just beyond my comprehension. But there's speculation about and analysis of this kind of thing around. I'm not well informed enough to comment intelligently.

Clearly I'm not either "

Oh, wasn't a dig, lol. Just, I know there's a lot out there and I'm not sure how to convey it

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By *iboy1968Man
over a year ago

cramlington

This may have been mentioned already

But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son

So now he says everyone should be vaccinated

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"This may have been mentioned already

But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son

So now he says everyone should be vaccinated "

It was a different time and we're all hopefully wiser to the steaming pile of bullshit Wakefield set off.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"This may have been mentioned already

But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son

So now he says everyone should be vaccinated "

Maybe they have changed their mind in the last 2 decades?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it."

A tory gmnt would have done exactly the same.

Funny isnt it?politicians opposed to war normally get hammered in this country.

Suppose it depends if you are red or blue?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it.

I'm ex services and was a bit unsure about going on the march in London, needn't have worried I was at one point walking alongside an ex Chindit who's grandson was AAC and had expressed his opposition to the path the country was on..

It's a valid point that be whilst the lib Dems opposed it and over 130 Labour MPs it only went through because the Tory party nigh on fully supported Bush and Blair.. "

Blair gets hammered for being a war criminal

Corbyn gets hammered for opposing conflict.

Only in England.

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By *d6869Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets...

the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction.

The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair.

He should be in jail, absolute criminal, he should not be getting any airtime whatsoever

Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad.

Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds.

If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair.

He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory.

I can't stand the bloke but

.. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change.

That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true. "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it.

I'm ex services and was a bit unsure about going on the march in London, needn't have worried I was at one point walking alongside an ex Chindit who's grandson was AAC and had expressed his opposition to the path the country was on..

It's a valid point that be whilst the lib Dems opposed it and over 130 Labour MPs it only went through because the Tory party nigh on fully supported Bush and Blair..

Blair gets hammered for being a war criminal

Corbyn gets hammered for opposing conflict.

Only in England."

Less profit in peace..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why?

Total control of the worlds people and depopulation. Its all out there, not from conspiracy sites but from the mouths of the world leaders themselves. Fauchi created a virus for his mate bill gates to create the antivirus. Trillions to be made for the elite out of all this and its worked better than even they could have envisaged xxx"

Magic mushroom day is it or possibly something even more hallucinogenic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

zuckerberg is the most dangerous person.

his company influences more around the world than any political party or politician can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"zuckerberg is the most dangerous person.

his company influences more around the world than any political party or politician can.

"

Actually its Karen.

Hey! Could Karen and Zucko be one and the same person?

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"This may have been mentioned already

But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son

So now he says everyone should be vaccinated "

No they didn't. You could have found out yourself with a quick Google.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This may have been mentioned already

But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son

So now he says everyone should be vaccinated

No they didn't. You could have found out yourself with a quick Google. "

He (Tony) did convert to Catholicism. Probably fancies a crack at the Pope’s job.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it."

Yougov poll in 2015

"Thinking back to when the Iraq war began in 2003, AT THE TIME did you think that the United States and Britain were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq?"

Right (con voters 43%, Lab 37%)

Wrong (con 40%, lab 41%)

Don't know (con 18%, lab 23%)

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By *iboy1968Man
over a year ago

cramlington


"This may have been mentioned already

But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son

So now he says everyone should be vaccinated

No they didn't. You could have found out yourself with a quick Google. "

I did google it and I also saw that he DIDNT get his son vaccinated against MMR. If you like reading a little about it try Ben Goldacre he actually checks it out a tad more than google does

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it.

Yougov poll in 2015

"Thinking back to when the Iraq war began in 2003, AT THE TIME did you think that the United States and Britain were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq?"

Right (con voters 43%, Lab 37%)

Wrong (con 40%, lab 41%)

Don't know (con 18%, lab 23%)

"

There was huge anti war sentiment at the time.

Even ignoring all that wmd nonesense,anyone could see it was going to be an utter clusterfuck.

But America were determined to go in and where america go we follow,especially after 9/11.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I don't really care who said it. Does the idea in the OP have merit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" where america go we follow"

Ye ha!!!

They voted for a right wing egotistical nutter and we (well you, not me) voted for a ......

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By *hristopherd999Man
over a year ago

Brentwood


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus."

Moron

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people.

A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect..

We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far..

I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns.

That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc..

Same with those who seek to profit..

Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea..

He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight..

In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'.."

Voice of reason

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By *immyleaMan
over a year ago

Derby


"He needs held accountable for crimes against the country and the military. May his balls turn to bicycle wheels and back peddle up his arse. "

A fellow Bazza McKenzie fan I see. Sir, I salute you. Now, if only we could stop the rest of these drongos coming the raw prawn...

On a serious note though- Blair is vile. Which, interestingly enough, is also an anagram of evil. A corrupt, dishonest, smug, supercilious war criminal. Not that he's the only one of course- but his track record must be one of the worst in recent times.

What's even more frightening is that the idiots who voted for Johnson and his cronies don't realise their so called 'Tory' government actually holds Old Tone up as a theological yardstick. Then again, considering how ardently he himself admired Thatcher,I can't say I'm surprised. The snake has now well and truly eaten its own tail.

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By *immyleaMan
over a year ago

Derby


"He needs held accountable for crimes against the country and the military. May his balls turn to bicycle wheels and back peddle up his arse.

A fellow Bazza McKenzie fan I see. Sir, I salute you. Now, if only we could stop the rest of these drongos coming the raw prawn...

On a serious note though- Blair is vile. Which, interestingly enough, is also an anagram of evil. A corrupt, dishonest, smug, supercilious war criminal. Not that he's the only one of course- but his track record must be one of the worst in recent times.

What's even more frightening is that the idiots who voted for Johnson and his cronies don't realise their so called 'Tory' government actually holds Old Tone up as a theological yardstick. Then again, considering how ardently he himself admired Thatcher,I can't say I'm surprised. The snake has now well and truly eaten its own tail. "

Sorry, autocorrect posted 'theological' when I actually wrote 'theoretical' However, now I come to think of it, maybe the error was closer to the truth after all.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people.

A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect..

We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far..

I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns.

That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc..

Same with those who seek to profit..

Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea..

He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight..

In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'..

Voice of reason "

Did he not strong arm his mate the attorney General to make up a legal argument so that it didn't have to go back to the un when the house voted on it? Not that necessarily that war has anything to do with the current crisis. Nor the fact that he can have wisdom now even though he led us into a war many years ago.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"He needs held accountable for crimes against the country and the military. May his balls turn to bicycle wheels and back peddle up his arse.

A fellow Bazza McKenzie fan I see. Sir, I salute you. Now, if only we could stop the rest of these drongos coming the raw prawn...

On a serious note though- Blair is vile. Which, interestingly enough, is also an anagram of evil. A corrupt, dishonest, smug, supercilious war criminal. Not that he's the only one of course- but his track record must be one of the worst in recent times.

What's even more frightening is that the idiots who voted for Johnson and his cronies don't realise their so called 'Tory' government actually holds Old Tone up as a theological yardstick. Then again, considering how ardently he himself admired Thatcher,I can't say I'm surprised. The snake has now well and truly eaten its own tail. "

I think much of the vitriol comes from tory voters who did what rupert and his lovely newspaper told them to do,and switched their allegiance.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus.

It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!

Which is done by … controlling the people.

A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect..

We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far..

I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns.

That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc..

Same with those who seek to profit..

Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea..

He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight..

In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'..

Voice of reason

Did he not strong arm his mate the attorney General to make up a legal argument so that it didn't have to go back to the un when the house voted on it? Not that necessarily that war has anything to do with the current crisis. Nor the fact that he can have wisdom now even though he led us into a war many years ago. "

I think the thread has been lost.

It was originally about if you believed what he said or not but obviously an ex lying pm doesnt seem to be that popular on here.

Now let me go and look up irony in the dictionary.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Yeah, the thread has been lost.

I do think the idea has merit, regardless of who said it. It'd restore the economy and mental health.

Choices always did come with consequences.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Yeah, the thread has been lost.

I do think the idea has merit, regardless of who said it. It'd restore the economy and mental health.

Choices always did come with consequences."

This 100%

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

I wonder if we would be as happy with the consequences of not having choice …

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I wonder if we would be as happy with the consequences of not having choice …"

Is that the position? You can choose, and that may mean things change for you (possibly, all still hypothetical).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...not sure about the great man bit.

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Good old Anthony Blair !! and of course it's all about control ?? says the ones on the tinternet/smart phones and the Alexa not forgetting Face book and the avid/rabid readers of what passes for the Newspapers owned by tax exiles and quite happy to wander around the city centres with CCTV and then vote in another idiot "Who's just like us because he can hold a pint glass" and now they are selling our medical records held by our "GP'S" ...they already control you by ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it.

Yougov poll in 2015

"Thinking back to when the Iraq war began in 2003, AT THE TIME did you think that the United States and Britain were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq?"

Right (con voters 43%, Lab 37%)

Wrong (con 40%, lab 41%)

Don't know (con 18%, lab 23%)

There was huge anti war sentiment at the time.

Even ignoring all that wmd nonesense,anyone could see it was going to be an utter clusterfuck.

But America were determined to go in and where america go we follow,especially after 9/11."

People mis-remember. Multiple polls from companies like IPSOS MORI etc... put public support over 50% consistently in the run up to and after the invasion. People 12 years later saying they were opposed is hardly surprising given the way things turned out 2003-2015ish.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time.

Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero...

And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it.

Yougov poll in 2015

"Thinking back to when the Iraq war began in 2003, AT THE TIME did you think that the United States and Britain were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq?"

Right (con voters 43%, Lab 37%)

Wrong (con 40%, lab 41%)

Don't know (con 18%, lab 23%)

There was huge anti war sentiment at the time.

Even ignoring all that wmd nonesense,anyone could see it was going to be an utter clusterfuck.

But America were determined to go in and where america go we follow,especially after 9/11.

People mis-remember. Multiple polls from companies like IPSOS MORI etc... put public support over 50% consistently in the run up to and after the invasion. People 12 years later saying they were opposed is hardly surprising given the way things turned out 2003-2015ish. "

What about all those huge anti war rallies?

I'm not saying everyone was opposed to it,you will always have those armchair warriors, but many labour voters in particular, felt betrayed by blair when he led us into war.

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By *entlecaressMan
over a year ago

Wakefield/ Beverley

The Bill Nighy trilogy is based I think on Tony Blair years in power. Its fascinating how much he has manipluated his power to his own ends.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

I was ultimately very let down by Blair. In 97 there was so much optimism. In the first term (New) Labour did a lot of good. However, two things undermined them to such an extent that many cannot now see beyond and remember the good!

1) Blair’s unquestioning support for President Bush and the Iraq war.

2) Brown’s continual tinkering with the tax system making it ever more complex (as Chancellor).

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