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By *irtyd468 OP Man
over a year ago

North

I just wondered what peoples thinking is on if we are asked to lockdown again.

Would you go along with restrictions again or do you think we have to learn to live with Covid now and just get on with it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just wondered what peoples thinking is on if we are asked to lockdown again.

Would you go along with restrictions again or do you think we have to learn to live with Covid now and just get on with it ?"

If hospitals are (or at serious risk of being) overwhelmed then I would generally comply*

In all other cases they can fuck off. Enough is enough.

*I'm not going to avoid meeting my family again - we've lost too much time already.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

...If hospitals are (or at serious risk of being) overwhelmed then I would generally comply..."

The hospitals have had over a year, now, to work out how to deal with the potential overload.

What about the Nightingale hospitals, thrown together at great expense and then mothballed?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I will do what's necessary, although I'd question whether it's fair to impose that on the fully vaccinated.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"I just wondered what peoples thinking is on if we are asked to lockdown again.

Would you go along with restrictions again or do you think we have to learn to live with Covid now and just get on with it ?"

If it is deemed that things are getting out of control, the first step will be to stop the relaxation of restrictions. If that doesn't stop the rise in cases, then I would expect that restrictions would be ramped up again in increments similar to the "unlocking" (eg. Return to pre May 17th rules).

As long as the vaccine uptake remains high, we shouldn't be in a position where the hospitals are unable to cope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just wondered what peoples thinking is on if we are asked to lockdown again.

Would you go along with restrictions again or do you think we have to learn to live with Covid now and just get on with it ?

If hospitals are (or at serious risk of being) overwhelmed then I would generally comply*

In all other cases they can fuck off. Enough is enough.

*I'm not going to avoid meeting my family again - we've lost too much time already."

Same.

We have lost to much time with our grandkids as it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...If hospitals are (or at serious risk of being) overwhelmed then I would generally comply...

The hospitals have had over a year, now, to work out how to deal with the potential overload.

What about the Nightingale hospitals, thrown together at great expense and then mothballed?"

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cases will go up when we start to see people again that’s inevitable if we open on the 21st or in three years so may as well open as soon as possible to many jobs have been destroyed to keep the sick alive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...If hospitals are (or at serious risk of being) overwhelmed then I would generally comply...

The hospitals have had over a year, now, to work out how to deal with the potential overload.

What about the Nightingale hospitals, thrown together at great expense and then mothballed?

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment."

Exactly. The Nightingale hospitals really seem more of a PR stunt than a solution.

There won't be enough staff for them and the existing hospitals.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

High percentage of the population vaccinated. It’s safer to catch COVID now.

Why would the hospitals be overwhelmed?

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

At some stage we have to do something!! If we stay like this our economy will collapse, people will die (from poverty, mental health issues, lack of treatment for diseases other than covid, potential collapse of the NHS if th economy does collapse.

We stand to lose a whole sector soon in concerts and nightclubs if we cant reopen these.

Yes its got to be safe to do so.

If the hospitals become overwhelmed, which is nowhere near the case at present then yes by all means. However, it seems unreasonable to expect us to live with even stricter restrictions at present.

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By *eet The FlintstonesCouple
over a year ago

Southampton

Got to be said this is fully down to this government. They wanted a deal with India instead of putting India in the Red Zone. Well they have certainly got a deal now and everybodies hard work over the winter now looks screwed.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment."

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Got to be said this is fully down to this government. They wanted a deal with India instead of putting India in the Red Zone. Well they have certainly got a deal now and everybodies hard work over the winter now looks screwed. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse."

So where would the extra staff come from?

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse.

So where would the extra staff come from? "

People on furlough could be porters, transport drivers, etc.

There were also fully qualified care staff on furlough due to working in day care and respite, who could be supported to do HCA work.

I work in respite and our unit was turned over to a rehab service to support the NHS strain last year.

Not a solution but a help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse.

So where would the extra staff come from?

People on furlough could be porters, transport drivers, etc.

There were also fully qualified care staff on furlough due to working in day care and respite, who could be supported to do HCA work.

I work in respite and our unit was turned over to a rehab service to support the NHS strain last year.

Not a solution but a help.

True but was thinking more on qualified staff.

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse.

So where would the extra staff come from?

People on furlough could be porters, transport drivers, etc.

There were also fully qualified care staff on furlough due to working in day care and respite, who could be supported to do HCA work.

I work in respite and our unit was turned over to a rehab service to support the NHS strain last year.

Not a solution but a help.

True but was thinking more on qualified staff. "

Retired staff?? I remember talking to a retired physio and she signed up to come back. She said she spent ages not working!! So there were those prepared to help.

Military medics?

Also care staff are qualified. Just not to degree level they still do a vital role in supporting people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse.

So where would the extra staff come from?

People on furlough could be porters, transport drivers, etc.

There were also fully qualified care staff on furlough due to working in day care and respite, who could be supported to do HCA work.

I work in respite and our unit was turned over to a rehab service to support the NHS strain last year.

Not a solution but a help.

True but was thinking more on qualified staff.

Retired staff?? I remember talking to a retired physio and she signed up to come back. She said she spent ages not working!! So there were those prepared to help.

Military medics?

Also care staff are qualified. Just not to degree level they still do a vital role in supporting people. "

Couldn't have been enough though or wouldn't have been or continue to be shortages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse."

I really thought Boris might have had a Damascene conversation after getting Covid and be a bit more cautious but hearing how he wanted ( after recovering) to be like Mayor Vaughan from Jaws and keeping everything open - it’s not a surprise that we are having another wave.

To paraphrase Einstein’s definition of insanity- BJ is in charge and yet he keeps doing the same thing again and again. Cummings ( thought I don’t like him)- is correct in asking - is BJ actually fit for office ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...If hospitals are (or at serious risk of being) overwhelmed then I would generally comply...

The hospitals have had over a year, now, to work out how to deal with the potential overload.

What about the Nightingale hospitals, thrown together at great expense and then mothballed?"

this is such a naive argument - it takes more than a year to train medical staff, and for the last year the ones we did have were working flat out and now burnt out so who exactly was even meant to do the training?

takes way more than a nightingale building to solve the problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse.

So where would the extra staff come from?

People on furlough could be porters, transport drivers, etc.

There were also fully qualified care staff on furlough due to working in day care and respite, who could be supported to do HCA work.

I work in respite and our unit was turned over to a rehab service to support the NHS strain last year.

Not a solution but a help.

True but was thinking more on qualified staff.

Retired staff?? I remember talking to a retired physio and she signed up to come back. She said she spent ages not working!! So there were those prepared to help.

Military medics?

Also care staff are qualified. Just not to degree level they still do a vital role in supporting people. "

i dont mean to be disrespectful to anyone working in a care capacity or physios , but they are not even remotely qualified to staff high dependency wards and ICU which is realistically what we would be talking about here

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

...If hospitals are (or at serious risk of being) overwhelmed then I would generally comply...

The hospitals have had over a year, now, to work out how to deal with the potential overload.

What about the Nightingale hospitals, thrown together at great expense and then mothballed?

takes way more than a nightingale building to solve the problem "

The NHS were running thin before this happened - the fact they've got through this well is not far short of a miracle tbh.

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

You can't just 'deal with' an unprecedented huge increase. There are a finite amount of staff, beds and equipment.

That's why they need to have worked out how to deal with it, by now!

Initially they were confronted with something totally unforeseen. They can't keep using that as an excuse.

So where would the extra staff come from?

People on furlough could be porters, transport drivers, etc.

There were also fully qualified care staff on furlough due to working in day care and respite, who could be supported to do HCA work.

I work in respite and our unit was turned over to a rehab service to support the NHS strain last year.

Not a solution but a help.

True but was thinking more on qualified staff.

Retired staff?? I remember talking to a retired physio and she signed up to come back. She said she spent ages not working!! So there were those prepared to help.

Military medics?

Also care staff are qualified. Just not to degree level they still do a vital role in supporting people.

People can be moved around. So you could move people to less complex wards to free nurses up to move to ICU, etc. Or like I said move patients from hospitals to respite centres to free up hospital spaces. As long as its safe to do so.

Actually youre wrong about physios its a highly skilled job. And physios played a big role in ICU. Chest physio, etc aided recovery. I know this because I've spoken to physios who were drafted in to ICU.

I also don't like the just anyone can be a carer argument but that's one for another day.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"I just wondered what peoples thinking is on if we are asked to lockdown again.

Would you go along with restrictions again or do you think we have to learn to live with Covid now and just get on with it ?"

I have learned quite a bit about human nature during this lockdown and feel I need to be in charge of myself..

My decision going forward is to limit a all my contacts to six people only.

I work from home and rarely go out socially. I shop online too. So it's a workable solution for me and I think one that will allow me to stay safe.

I won't be looking to meet any new people till after the Summer. Also I don't feel comfortable being around strangers too often either. Again my time outside my flat will be limited to the least busy periods of the day .

So any future lockdowns if they happen will be dealt with like that..and shouldn't affect me too much.

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By *aren grantTV/TS
over a year ago

kyle

I believe at least two Nightingales, possibly more, have not just been mothballed but completely dismantled and stripped of all the eqipment. Just empty shells now.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

It's a difficult one. I think we should do all we can to stop this spreading. However, not seeing family and friends would just wear me down. So, in short, I'd comply but wouldn't be happy about it

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Cases are almost irrelevant now. What matters is the trend in hospitalisations. If that number starts to grow exponentially then yes I would support restrictions. It won’t happen, at least not until a variant that bypasses vaccine protection emerges

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By *eet The FlintstonesCouple
over a year ago

Southampton

For us, it's just give up. This government is never going to protect you. Every man and woman for there selves oh and I've worked through all of this in a hospital. Now I've got to say, why

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"For us, it's just give up. This government is never going to protect you. Every man and woman for there selves oh and I've worked through all of this in a hospital. Now I've got to say, why "

I agree the government is never going to protect us.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop doing what I can.

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

"I just wondered what peoples thinking is on if we are asked to lockdown again.

Would you go along with restrictions again or do you think we have to learn to live with Covid now and just get on with it ?"

I have done exactly what we have been asked to do during a lock down...my social life and also my cock life is at a stand still

If we have to go in to another one I would do exactly the same.

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By *eet The FlintstonesCouple
over a year ago

Southampton

I guess working 6 days a week and spending free time giving out vacines and then knowing the carpet is being pulled out

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I guess working 6 days a week and spending free time giving out vacines and then knowing the carpet is being pulled out "

I'm sorry

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By *eet The FlintstonesCouple
over a year ago

Southampton

I read comments here and so wish they saw the sharp end. Like the first world war, people blown to bites. Makes you think free press, right, rich mans play thing, if only people knew

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cases are almost irrelevant now. What matters is the trend in hospitalisations. If that number starts to grow exponentially then yes I would support restrictions. It won’t happen, at least not until a variant that bypasses vaccine protection emerges"

Cases irrelevant, I beg your pardon. A lot of these cases could be kids under 18. 10% will get long Covid and could take months to recover- at that age it will have a dramatic effect on their life path especially if exams are involved.

Ironically , this government does‘nt give a damn about long Covid but it is very sensitive to Children missing school time.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's restrictions and/or vaccines, with some people wanting magic and none of them.

If the situation needs tighter restrictions whilst vaccinations are ongoing, it's better to be quicker and shorter, than the delayed drawn out mistakes we've made.

I will definitely continue to comply, to get a better job done. The Delta variant was a mistake to let in, in such levels.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

The situation is going to keep going to shit over and over until enough people wake up and kick this government into touch. All the way through, every single gain that millions have fought for has been pissed away by stupidity, delay, lack of even the slightest bit of common sense, and straight up criminal behaviour by those at the very top.

For Christ's sake, we live on an island! This summer is essentially cancelled now all because BJ et al have actively encouraged tens of thousands to travel to and from Indian when it was completely known that a new more rapidly spreading version of the virus was rife there, with fuck all attempt at border infection control. It's not a new unexpected hazard, it's not as a bloody asteroid dropped into the north sea and caused a tsunami to submerge London. A year and a half to fail to even set up processes for keeping infected and uninfected people separate in airports! To have no quarantine system that is less than a joke! To have isolation measures that amount to "pretty please, can you stay at home if you might be poorly, and if this means you've got no income then kindly just starve (we've embezzled all the money, none left for people that actually need it)".

Objectively, the current leadership of the United Kingdom is the worst that there has ever been. The current opposition party is the worst that there has ever been. The utter indifference and stupidity of at least a third of the voting public is the worst that there has ever been.

Really, from a Darwinian view of fitness to survive, this country has failed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The situation is going to keep going to shit over and over until enough people wake up and kick this government into touch. All the way through, every single gain that millions have fought for has been pissed away by stupidity, delay, lack of even the slightest bit of common sense, and straight up criminal behaviour by those at the very top.

Really, from a Darwinian view of fitness to survive, this country has failed."

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By *ristoltony40Man
over a year ago

bristol

Never never never again especially during summer weather

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By *aralewisCouple
over a year ago

South Yorkshire

We better start living with it

As I’ve always said where being lied to and loads of things still doesn’t make sense

Virus Mutate alway have always will and even if everyone in world had both jabs or Even 3 a new strain would appear.

Moral of the msg is no matter how many jabs we have a new strain will appear

So unless Lockdown part of normal life we better learn to live with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won’t lockdown , as I don’t believe one word that comes out of the crack pot in charge and his band of fuckwits

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Really, from a Darwinian view of fitness to survive, this country has failed."

Yup. Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read comments here and so wish they saw the sharp end. Like the first world war, people blown to bites. Makes you think free press, right, rich mans play thing, if only people knew "

What do you mean?

Like in the covid ICU?

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

With the high survival rate, keep it as business as usual and vaccinate those in the risk groups, cos it will be the same circle over and over with every lockdown, as cases will go up when people gather again, is it just me or how many more businesses can really survive with more lockdowns?

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

No problem. I find lockdown reposing, relaxing and tranquil. It's never bothered me (Mr DS). Quite the reverse in fact.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I just wondered what peoples thinking is on if we are asked to lockdown again.

Would you go along with restrictions again or do you think we have to learn to live with Covid now and just get on with it ?"

Depends what the lockdown was I guess but to be honest I haven't really felt the full effects of a lockdown as I work in a keyworker industry and the only change is not meeting up with people outside of work but yes, if needed I'd follow guidance.

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