FabSwingers.com forum: are the nhs about to make vaccine compulsory

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

lots of bits of news scattered around about making nhs staff and covid vaccine compulsory over the last day or two ..if this happens then i can see it being compulsory in many other jobs and not just health related ???

all views welcome

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

I do not think it will happen personally

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"I do not think it will happen personally "
This

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

If the information in this thread...

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1161370

Turns out to be true then trying to make vaccines compulsory for any job will be on rocky ground.

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

There is already a precedent set here by the fact most nhs workers who have direct patient contact have to have hepatitis b vaccine. It is not law but it set out in the occupational heath and safety guidelines and some areas of the NHS won't allow you to work without the hep-b vaccine.

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Healthcare seems more likely than other sectors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

Suck mammys strap-on

I guess my body my choice only applies to a certain movement...but when it comes to an experimental drug with unknown side effects its shut up and take it or else...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is already a precedent set here by the fact most nhs workers who have direct patient contact have to have hepatitis b vaccine. It is not law but it set out in the occupational heath and safety guidelines and some areas of the NHS won't allow you to work without the hep-b vaccine.

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory. "

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism” "

Probably because of all the crap being spread about this still being in clinical trials.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism” "

And that’s because the compulsory vaccines before this have been long term tested to actualy make a difference, or protect you from something actually dangerous to catch, this one however is just fear mongering at its finest

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Doubt it, most folks I work with in healthcare have now been jabbed.

Sadly, a 30 year old friend has just returned from a stint in hospital.

Not jabbed, no underlying health conditions, laboured breathing, described as having a large stone on his chest, 3 days in hospital on oxygen, back home but still breathless, advised it will take many weeks before normal.

Great to hear he's back home.

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By *orYourPleasure xxWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I think they should make it compulsory. How can we ever get back to normal if people refuse to have it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it will become an opt out option rather than compulsory

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism” "

I worked in private care and had to have Hep B. It was in our contract, I don't think such stipulations apply across the board tho only in certain sectors.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

I worked in private care and had to have Hep B. It was in our contract, I don't think such stipulations apply across the board tho only in certain sectors. "

A close friend of mine is training to be a nurse and has already had to have her hep b vaccine along with everyone else in her year before they were even allowed to go on placement

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"lots of bits of news scattered around about making nhs staff and covid vaccine compulsory over the last day or two ..if this happens then i can see it being compulsory in many other jobs and not just health related ???

all views welcome "

That will never happen. You can’t force someone to take medication against their will.

The legal implications about infringing human rights would be too great. Lawsuits everywhere if they even tried.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Doubt it, most folks I work with in healthcare have now been jabbed.

Sadly, a 30 year old friend has just returned from a stint in hospital.

Great to hear he's back home.

Glad he's improving.

I suppose it depends on overall uptake, and overall healthcare uptake.

Actual duty of care to patients beyond any call to community mindedness for those of us not in healthcare - how that's interpreted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unlikely we are unable to get medical staff now for unattractive areas like emergency dept so that would add even more problems to recruitment esp for middle grade doctors who in many cases are not british

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Unlikely we are unable to get medical staff now for unattractive areas like emergency dept so that would add even more problems to recruitment esp for middle grade doctors who in many cases are not british"

Vaccine mandates are more accepted in countries outside the UK. I don't think that'll be a massive problem somehow...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all views welcome

That will never happen. You can’t force someone to take medication against their will.

The legal implications about infringing human rights would be too great. Lawsuits everywhere if they even tried. "

it already happens in medical backgrounds, it is not illegal because you are not forced to take the job, therefore not forced to take the jab , choice and free will still exists in this scenario

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour. "

It's not though is it. Certain jobs have certain requirements. If someone doesn't want the vaccine they can get another job with different requirements.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

It's not though is it. Certain jobs have certain requirements. If someone doesn't want the vaccine they can get another job with different requirements.

Exactly this

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Healthcare seems more likely than other sectors. "
I had to take it if I wanted my job x

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

Why shouldn't it be made compulsory in health care. In the nhs there are already many vaccinations that are compulsory for you to carry out your role safely.

So why shouldn't covid be added to that list.

Reasons for -

1 for the safety of the patients who sometime have no say in being in hospital or in care.

2. For the safety of the staff and their families.

3. Public liability insurance purpose.

In relation to 3 the uk is already turning into a "where there's blame there's a claim " society. So why give the ambulance chasers more ammunition.

I know i for one would not want to be treated in the nhs or put into care knowing someone who will "care for me" has not had the full vaccinations required to carry out that role.

Saying that there are many people who for health reasons cannot have the jabs not just covid but they use alternative protection. But there are no other reasons not to have them "conspiricy nuts and antivaxers should not be allowed to work in the nhs or care industry with the patients.

But that is just my opinion after working within the nhs when i was younger.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm definitely for robust legal and employment protection for those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated against this or anything else.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

all views welcome

That will never happen. You can’t force someone to take medication against their will.

The legal implications about infringing human rights would be too great. Lawsuits everywhere if they even tried.

it already happens in medical backgrounds, it is not illegal because you are not forced to take the job, therefore not forced to take the jab , choice and free will still exists in this scenario "

I meant if they were already in the position. It’s discriminatory if they refuse.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

all views welcome "

I don't think other jobs have the risk that nhs workers do. Not many deal with so many people who are likely to have a number of contributing medical complications.

In the end they already have to have jabs for other medical conditions (I think hep b is already compulsory).

Not sure you can insist on the same rules for say a train driver, or crane operator.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

My husband has worked overseas for years and he has a vaccine card.

Not up to date, don't get into the country.

TBH you would be crazy not to take the jabs for entry into certain countries.

Paul does say sometimes immigration just give them a cursory glance, don't bother at all or say there is a problem and 50 USD will sort it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

all views welcome

I don't think other jobs have the risk that nhs workers do. Not many deal with so many people who are likely to have a number of contributing medical complications.

In the end they already have to have jabs for other medical conditions (I think hep b is already compulsory).

Not sure you can insist on the same rules for say a train driver, or crane operator. "

I've been glancing at employment law commentary on this from time to time, and have seen the stance change on jobs in general. It's clearest that health and care are the most likely to have legally defensible vaccine mandates.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

You *still* clinging to the “not actually dangerous” mantra? How many people have to die and how many have to suffer long term health effects before you admit you are wrong?

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

I worked in private care and had to have Hep B. It was in our contract, I don't think such stipulations apply across the board tho only in certain sectors. "

I’d be curious to know how many healthcare workers, especially those dealing with Covid patients, would actually decline the vaccine? I would imagine unlike people some they can’t pretend Covid is benign.

-Matt

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

I worked in private care and had to have Hep B. It was in our contract, I don't think such stipulations apply across the board tho only in certain sectors.

-Matt"

I suspect it's mostly those who aren't dealing with Covid patients.

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By *uffnsmovCouple
over a year ago

Leeds/Wakefield

Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?"

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour. "

all the jabs have had their trials so no worries there, if you want to work in a job where close proximity with others, then yes its a must, dont like it then get another job

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

all the jabs have had their trials so no worries there, if you want to work in a job where close proximity with others, then yes its a must, dont like it then get another job"

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

all the jabs have had their trials so no worries there, if you want to work in a job where close proximity with others, then yes its a must, dont like it then get another job"

I’m in a job with close proximity to others. I don’t see it as a must. I’ve never had the virus.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

all the jabs have had their trials so no worries there, if you want to work in a job where close proximity with others, then yes its a must, dont like it then get another job"
to be honest I think that is about right. I work in care so I can see why our home made it compulsory

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need. "

Sure. Choose your job or not.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

I work for the NHS and staff who have so far turned down the vaccine are being encouraged with additional information, conversations about their concerns etc. All of my immediate colleagues have taken up the vaccine as soon as offered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference "

is anybody else so bored of this long term study line ... so at what point in the 40 years did it become ok to use? the timeline was accelerated purely because the need meant money was thrown at it and suitable volunteers were aplenty - should we have spread the testing out and wasted time just to keep people happy that it took ages?

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

all views welcome "

Personally I really hope they do..its going to be very awkward for a patient if we get to a point where you have to ask the covid status of your doctor or nurse..much easier and arguably safer if everyone gets it..like all professions people decide what they want to do for a living and accept any conditions , qualifications or restrictions to enable them to do so

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not."
So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need. "

Does that not also apply to patients?

Should they be allowed to refuse treatment from a nurse or doctor if they don't feel safe or don't know covid status etc?

If so..then the NHS will be in an even more chaotic state I would think?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

all views welcome

If I had a stay in hospital I would assume that the staff had been tested, and that would be good enough for me.

Weren't you happy to go with regular testing not so long ago?

No one should be told they have to have this vaccine, not yet anyway. Maybe in a couple of years, I see 2023 bandied about a lot. I think that's when the vaccines will be fully licenced or whatever it is.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference

Yup. Particularly as it's based on partial bollocks. All approved vaccines (under emergency use) have had their phase 3 trials concluded and results published.

As someone on a phase 3 trial whose results are expected in autumn, my participation is expected until May or June next year.

Post trial safety monitoring. How scary

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs. "

I don't particularly care.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

all views welcome

Absolute nonsense. Since when did any individual have the right to know the medical history of another?

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

I worked in private care and had to have Hep B. It was in our contract, I don't think such stipulations apply across the board tho only in certain sectors.

-Matt"

If you have worked front line and seen first hand the damage and fear this virus has caused, very much doubt you would refuse.

Don't know of any of my colleagues who have refused but it's not really any of my business if they do refuse.

To be fair to those who don't work front line and just take the numbers of folks either dead or not, it gives a distorted picture.

It's the ones who don't die and don't 100% recover that's worrying especially as it's starting to enter the younger age group.

Think by the time any form of legislation to force vaccination appears we will hopefully have enough people vaccinated to have a handle on the virus.

Let's see what happens when all restrictions are lifted and next winter kicks in.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not."

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care. "
Of course you don't.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words. "

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff."

It’s been less than a year. Hardly scrutinised study. And then the millions of vaccinations before me? How’s that relevant to a long term study? What happen in 10/20 years when those millions of people vaccinated are inundating the nhs with a new form of cancer that comes along as a side effect of the dose.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows. "

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it."

I don’t work in it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it. "

Then you shouldn't worry

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff."

Spoken like a true totalitarian. This what happens when people adopt public health as their new religion. Classic example of zealotry here

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?"

No. I'm a long term volunteer in a charity allied with health professionals and social care, though, and I consider my vaccination to be an absolute minimum in my duty of care to those I serve. (Albeit "vaccination as soon as possible" under the circumstances)

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?

Meaning you don't actually work for a living having to support a family. Far easier to make swepping statements like the one above when you have little to lose.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

Spoken like a true totalitarian. This what happens when people adopt public health as their new religion. Classic example of zealotry here

Hahaha - the invocation of totalitarianism is hilarious! Should probably buy a dictionary. Look up "meaningless" and "hyperbole" when you do

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

all views welcome

That will never happen. You can’t force someone to take medication against their will.

The legal implications about infringing human rights would be too great. Lawsuits everywhere if they even tried.

it already happens in medical backgrounds, it is not illegal because you are not forced to take the job, therefore not forced to take the jab , choice and free will still exists in this scenario

I meant if they were already in the position. It’s discriminatory if they refuse. "

It isn't at all, if you're working with vulnerable people who are at risk if they catch covid, you should be in a position where you are taking ALL necessary precautions to keep them safe. If you don't like it, get a different job.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?

Meaning you don't actually work for a living having to support a family. Far easier to make swepping statements like the one above when you have little to lose."

Are you aware that volunteering and working are not mutually exclusive? Goodness

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?

Then why the fuck are you giving your amateur opinion on every fucking thread in the virus forums? You’re not a professional. You’re not trained to give advice.

I’ve literally just checked the first 10 threads and you’ve commented on every single one giving your “expert” opinion to others.

I did forget you’re an expert on social care, especially with kids

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?

Then why the fuck are you giving your amateur opinion on every fucking thread in the virus forums? You’re not a professional. You’re not trained to give advice.

I’ve literally just checked the first 10 threads and you’ve commented on every single one giving your “expert” opinion to others.

I did forget you’re an expert on social care, especially with kids

Oh, claws are out today!

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?

Meaning you don't actually work for a living having to support a family. Far easier to make swepping statements like the one above when you have little to lose.

Are you aware that volunteering and working are not mutually exclusive? Goodness

Please

Enlighten us then. What is your full time job btw?

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

Spoken like a true totalitarian. This what happens when people adopt public health as their new religion. Classic example of zealotry here

Hahaha - the invocation of totalitarianism is hilarious! Should probably buy a dictionary. Look up "meaningless" and "hyperbole" when you do

I've never spoken to you before, yet you always spring out of the woodwork when a certain soneone is chalkenged.

They have you on speed dial?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

They are going to have to do it from a legal liability standpoint…. Just like with hep B…. You are don’t going to be able to make patients sign a legal waiver if you have to have hospital treatment

Picking up covid whilst you are in hospital in future is going to be a legal minefield…….

I can see it being compulsory if you work in the NHS and certain gov face to face roles….. and if you work in the travel industry for the airlines for example…..

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

Spoken like a true totalitarian. This what happens when people adopt public health as their new religion. Classic example of zealotry here

Hahaha - the invocation of totalitarianism is hilarious! Should probably buy a dictionary. Look up "meaningless" and "hyperbole" when you do

I've never spoken to you before, yet you always spring out of the woodwork when a certain soneone is chalkenged.

They have you on speed dial?

Haha - I often comment when I see ridiculous or witless statement. It's never personal although

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?

Meaning you don't actually work for a living having to support a family. Far easier to make swepping statements like the one above when you have little to lose.

Are you aware that volunteering and working are not mutually exclusive? Goodness

Please

Enlighten us then. What is your full time job btw?"

I'm a content creator and editor. Hope this helps

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

And don’t say “it won’t happen”. You just don’t know. That’s my point. No one knows.

If you don't trust the medical profession, don't work in it.

I don’t work in it.

Then you shouldn't worry

Do you work in a medical profession?

Then why the fuck are you giving your amateur opinion on every fucking thread in the virus forums? You’re not a professional. You’re not trained to give advice."

I'm afraid that I would have to disagree here. Limiting posts to only those with appropriate professional qualifications for the topic would somewhat reduce the number of people contributing. In particular it would mean that for threads on the virus forum only those with degree or higher qualifications in medicine, virology, microbiology, epidemiology would be allowed to post. I suppose those with higher level mathematical training might also be allowed to give their opinions on matters such as exponential growth, and computer scientists could have some input about the computer modelling of the pandemic.

On the positive side though, it would mean that any pseudo-science nonsense would be removed from the forum, vastly limiting the spread of untruths and quackery.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

Spoken like a true totalitarian. This what happens when people adopt public health as their new religion. Classic example of zealotry here

Hahaha - the invocation of totalitarianism is hilarious! Should probably buy a dictionary. Look up "meaningless" and "hyperbole" when you do

I've never spoken to you before, yet you always spring out of the woodwork when a certain soneone is chalkenged.

They have you on speed dial?

Haha - I often comment when I see ridiculous or witless statement. It's never personal although

And I know lackey behaviour pattern when I see it.

Carry on

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

No, I'm saying trust the thoroughly scrutinised science and millions vaccinated before you in order to fulfil your duty of care to your patients, or find another job.

I gather hospitality are struggling to get enough staff.

Spoken like a true totalitarian. This what happens when people adopt public health as their new religion. Classic example of zealotry here

Hahaha - the invocation of totalitarianism is hilarious! Should probably buy a dictionary. Look up "meaningless" and "hyperbole" when you do

I've never spoken to you before, yet you always spring out of the woodwork when a certain soneone is chalkenged.

They have you on speed dial?

Haha - I often comment when I see ridiculous or witless statement. It's never personal although

And I know lackey behaviour pattern when I see it.

Carry on

You also seem to know how to ignore an argument which you will inevitably lose. I applaud your ego's ability to protect itself

Carry on indeed

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By *an hjCouple
over a year ago

Stowmarket

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference "

40 years is true, but you missed the minor point of it has been used for 40 years, so at that time it was as you call it "an experimental drug" don't remember any complaining then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

all views welcome

That will never happen. You can’t force someone to take medication against their will.

The legal implications about infringing human rights would be too great. Lawsuits everywhere if they even tried. "

no one is being forced its just part of the job if someone dont want it then dont do the job ??

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok lets get back to the OP please

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

healthy debate people no need to be horrible to anyone everybody is different and have different views otherwise the world would be bland

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care. "

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

To the OP, I am half in half, half says no it shouldn't be compulsory but the other half thinks what if I had to use a hospital, would I want to feel safer knowing they have had the vaccine

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care."

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice? "

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care.

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

South Side.

I'm going over to the camping forum. It's much more peaceful and cosy over there.

Nude sunbathing spots? Anyone?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care. "

So just health care? My other post mentioned that when I said I was half in half, I would probably be selfish and say I would rather they be vaccinated if they were treating me, but where do we draw the line? Workers in supermarkets , transport, hospitality, they probably mix with more people on a daily shift. I wouldn't know where the line would be drawn

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words. "

I'm lost for words too that you jumped on this?

Don't know what job you do but I bet you are qualified to do it?

Fact of the matter is this

You /we all have physical and mental /academic restriction..and soon coming whether you or any one else likes it..medical ones too!

Someone who fit reasons of conscience won't have the vaccine does not get to work with vulnerable people. Simple as that and I think pretty sensible

Don't like it? Find another job..currently the job market is getting swamped..

Fact is times are changing and wittering on about someone in the medical profession not getting vaccinated is just deliberately trying to upset people..

Put it this way..I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

That is something I think is right and proper to do..

People need to start being willing to accept change before I fear it will be forced onto them .

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care.

I don't know where the line I'd draw would be, but it'd definitely encompass health and social care - it's very much in the ethos of the work, to me.

I would be more likely to exclude hospitality/retail because it's less secure and less likely to be a career. I don't think the imposition can be justified on that work force.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care.

This should appt to anyone in teaching, medical , police. Anyone working with vulnerable adults..and that also includes amateur sports team coaches etc..

In a sense adding covid status /recent test results to DBS checks. Personally I think it's a good idea and would cover most professions where a potential issue could come from

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By *ily WhiteWoman
over a year ago

It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

I'm lost for words too that you jumped on this?

Don't know what job you do but I bet you are qualified to do it?

Fact of the matter is this

You /we all have physical and mental /academic restriction..and soon coming whether you or any one else likes it..medical ones too!

Someone who fit reasons of conscience won't have the vaccine does not get to work with vulnerable people. Simple as that and I think pretty sensible

Don't like it? Find another job..currently the job market is getting swamped..

Fact is times are changing and wittering on about someone in the medical profession not getting vaccinated is just deliberately trying to upset people..

Put it this way..I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

That is something I think is right and proper to do..

People need to start being willing to accept change before I fear it will be forced onto them .

And what right do you have to demand to know anyone else's medical history?

Using the same attitude as "if you don't like it, find another job" - if you don't like it go and get your free medical treatment elsewhere.

Oh...wait....

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

I'm lost for words too that you jumped on this?

Don't know what job you do but I bet you are qualified to do it?

Fact of the matter is this

You /we all have physical and mental /academic restriction..and soon coming whether you or any one else likes it..medical ones too!

Someone who fit reasons of conscience won't have the vaccine does not get to work with vulnerable people. Simple as that and I think pretty sensible

Don't like it? Find another job..currently the job market is getting swamped..

Fact is times are changing and wittering on about someone in the medical profession not getting vaccinated is just deliberately trying to upset people..

Put it this way..I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

That is something I think is right and proper to do..

People need to start being willing to accept change before I fear it will be forced onto them .

And what right do you have to demand to know anyone else's medical history?

Using the same attitude as "if you don't like it, find another job" - if you don't like it go and get your free medical treatment elsewhere.

Oh...wait.... "

You know the NHS isn't free right? It's free at the point of service, but it's paid for by taxpayers.. which gives taxpayers *the right* to know they are protected when they use that service. As has been mentioned elsewhere, vaccination requirements are nothing new for healthcare professionals. Make this one compulsory. It's no big deal.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words.

I'm lost for words too that you jumped on this?

Don't know what job you do but I bet you are qualified to do it?

Fact of the matter is this

You /we all have physical and mental /academic restriction..and soon coming whether you or any one else likes it..medical ones too!

Someone who fit reasons of conscience won't have the vaccine does not get to work with vulnerable people. Simple as that and I think pretty sensible

Don't like it? Find another job..currently the job market is getting swamped..

Fact is times are changing and wittering on about someone in the medical profession not getting vaccinated is just deliberately trying to upset people..

Put it this way..I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

That is something I think is right and proper to do..

People need to start being willing to accept change before I fear it will be forced onto them .

And what right do you have to demand to know anyone else's medical history?

Using the same attitude as "if you don't like it, find another job" - if you don't like it go and get your free medical treatment elsewhere.

Oh...wait.... "

Nice try..but no cigar!

Consider this..

Everyone has the right..to know about anything that concerns their own health

That's why we fill in questionnaires before being treated to give people information..

Further..without up to date information on health carers health status..or being prewarnrd /given choice to work with them or not

Anyone catching covid in a hospital could potentially shut the hospital down and they could find themselves sued for damages

And no one will allow that!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care.

I don't know where the line I'd draw would be, but it'd definitely encompass health and social care - it's very much in the ethos of the work, to me.

I would be more likely to exclude hospitality/retail because it's less secure and less likely to be a career. I don't think the imposition can be justified on that work force."

I think that comment would be taken as an insult to the many people who have made a career out of Hospitality and retail but I get your point that there may be casual workers too...although there are people who are in an out of NHS jobs and certainly a good turnover of staff at Care homes too

I am not sure jabs for other things are compulsory for NHS staff at the moment ( unless someone knows differently and will pop up ) so I would be surprised if they made this compulsory.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care.

I don't know where the line I'd draw would be, but it'd definitely encompass health and social care - it's very much in the ethos of the work, to me.

I would be more likely to exclude hospitality/retail because it's less secure and less likely to be a career. I don't think the imposition can be justified on that work force.

I am not sure jabs for other things are compulsory for NHS staff at the moment ( unless someone knows differently and will pop up ) so I would be surprised if they made this compulsory."

Yes, it's more a question of employee vulnerability and perceived job security rather than a slight on those who make it a career. And assisting health is kind of key to healthcare. (Others have mentioned Hep B as being compulsory?)

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour. "

Surely the opposite is also true? Not agreeing and refusing is forcing other people to behave differently..increase fear worry and concern of the 'unknown' element wherever you go and wherever you work..

That I suggest is 'strong arm'tactics though! to try to force a lot of people to have to put up with continued potential problems from this virus because a minority refuse to help out when they are able to?

That's emotional torture adding to mental health concerns!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Put it this way..I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

For curiosity , would you do that before Covid? I know it isn't the same as Flu but Flu can kill, would you ask a healthcare worker treating you had they had the Flu jab?

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference

40 years is true, but you missed the minor point of it has been used for 40 years, so at that time it was as you call it "an experimental drug" don't remember any complaining then."

And you missed my minor point in the next thread explaining how it was being created and tested for many years before release

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I think that some distinction needs to be made between occupations where it is prudent to get vaccinated against covid and/or other diseases in order to protect oneself, and occupations where there is a moral obligation to protect vulnerable others.

Leaving aside covid for the moment, lets consider hep b. I believe that sewer workers are offered hep b vaccination not because of the danger they might pass the disease to rats down the sewer, but to protect them from the danger of catching it themselves. On the other hand surgeons are required to have the vaccination not just to protect themselves, but to ensure they are not carrying the virus when they are putting their hands inside vulnerable people's bodies.

It's one thing to make a personal value judgement upon the risk vs benefit of taking a treatment oneself, but it is a different matter where employment necessarily requires getting up close and personal with people who are already in a frail state. In that case I suggest both that the employee has a moral obligation that extends outside their personal space, and that the employer has a legal obligation towards ensuring the health of their clients/customers/patients. In the case of the NHS, where the employer is ultimately the government, I would assume that legal responsibility extends all the way up to the health secretary and the prime minister.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care. "

Then that’s not a choice.

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over a year ago

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.

I’m sorry but this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve seen on fab....EVER!!!

Basically you’re saying risk your long term health or the other option is that you can’t afford to feed yourself and the kids?

Wow! I’m lost for words. "

thats a very uneducated view, this virus kills people, most people in hospital are elderly, so at higher risk, i hope you never need a hospital, question is, have you had the jab? if not then i believe you should be refused access to the nhs for being irisponsable

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By *obbie BelleTV/TS
over a year ago

Preston, Lancaster, Blackpool

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour. "

Well Gary I hope you get smallpox.

Oh you can't, because vaccines work!

Grow a pair and get fucking jabbed.

Hope this helps.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference

40 years is true, but you missed the minor point of it has been used for 40 years, so at that time it was as you call it "an experimental drug" don't remember any complaining then.

And you missed my minor point in the next thread explaining how it was being created and tested for many years before release

The various covid vaccines have been developed on compressed timelines but have gone through rigorous approval processes. Weren't you the one talking about expertise earlier in the thread? Well the experts in this issue have approved these vaccines. Many, many real life professionals in the field

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

.I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

You’re going into hospital for a heart transplant, would you be asking the surgeon to show proof that he/she has had the operation before being allowed to operate on you?

What difference does it make if the practitioner has had a jab or not? IT THEIR CHOICE!!!

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over a year ago

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference

40 years is true, but you missed the minor point of it has been used for 40 years, so at that time it was as you call it "an experimental drug" don't remember any complaining then.

And you missed my minor point in the next thread explaining how it was being created and tested for many years before release

And humans can’t make mistakes? I remember thalidomide was seen as a miracle cure for pregnant women from the majority of experts.

And cocaine before this.

Knowledge changes. Things that were safe years ago are not longer seen as safe.

Mercury treatments?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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.I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

You’re going into hospital for a heart transplant, would you be asking the surgeon to show proof that he/she has had the operation before being allowed to operate on you?

What difference does it make if the practitioner has had a jab or not? IT THEIR CHOICE!!!"

I suppose it does if they are treating you. Looking at it a different way, right this minute you wouldn't go into the Docs without expecting to see them masked an gloved up and sat two metres away from you ( assuming they were open to patients, ours doesn't seem to be )

You would expect them to be taking precautions, so isn't the jab a precaution?

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference

40 years is true, but you missed the minor point of it has been used for 40 years, so at that time it was as you call it "an experimental drug" don't remember any complaining then.

And you missed my minor point in the next thread explaining how it was being created and tested for many years before release

And humans can’t make mistakes? I remember thalidomide was seen as a miracle cure for pregnant women from the majority of experts.

And cocaine before this.

Knowledge changes. Things that were safe years ago are not longer seen as safe.

Mercury treatments?"

Hahaha - invoking cocaine and mercury treatments is pretty illustrative of the strength of the anti-vax argument. We have a more robust testing and approval system than ever before, thanks in no small part to the tragic thalidomide events. Many more systems in place, yet some still retreat into fear of past mistakes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and for those saying, what can happen in 40 years, what about the flue jab that most of the population have every year, did you know its a new jab every year because flue is different every year, would you refuse that, its been save forever, so that blows the (it hasnt been around long enugh one out of the water)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TBH i was unsure about having it at first, so i did some reserch, all the imformation is out there, i bet most of those questioning the vaccine havnt , and are just repeating what the bloke down the pub said, oh and yes ive had both jabs now

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

.I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

You’re going into hospital for a heart transplant, would you be asking the surgeon to show proof that he/she has had the operation before being allowed to operate on you?

What difference does it make if the practitioner has had a jab or not? IT THEIR CHOICE!!!"

Right

I'm not fucking shouting at you so can you kindly stop doing it to me and everyone else in most of your responses!

Thanks

Now..to answer your question

Yes I would ask or at least hope someone would ask for me if I was not able to ( like a consent form perhaps)

Secondly

And you might be surprised to hear this..but its MY CHOICE too

Kindly keep your manners and that people with done respect..everyone gets passionate at times but you need to stop seeming like you are pushing and shoving in this virtual world

Cheers

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I seem to recall that the consent form I signed for my last surgery said something like, I consent to the surgery being done to the best of staff ability with the best of qualifications.

I consider - particularly for those who cannot be vaccinated or who do not mount an immune response - vaccination for a pandemic disease to be well within the standard that I consent to.

If a patient is immunocompromised, I would hope that vaccinated healthcare professionals would be standard in a first world country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care.

Then that’s not a choice. "

of course its a choice , you are behaving as though your career options are nhs or permanently unemployed

funnily enough have we seen anyone who actually does work for the nhs on here arguing against getting or are we just arguing over eights thats these people don’t even need/want?

the reality is people who work in a medical profession, have faith in modern medicine (who would have thought it ) and are overwhelmingly already vaccinated

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care.

Then that’s not a choice.

of course its a choice , you are behaving as though your career options are nhs or permanently unemployed

funnily enough have we seen anyone who actually does work for the nhs on here arguing against getting or are we just arguing over eights thats these people don’t even need/want?

the reality is people who work in a medical profession, have faith in modern medicine (who would have thought it ) and are overwhelmingly already vaccinated"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs.

I don't particularly care.

If half of all key workers decide not to have the vaccine if it was mandatory so lose their jobs, we should all care how they would be filled to keep the country going.

Sure. But it's much less than that, and I'm of the view (to which I'm entitled) that it's part of their duty of care.

Please don't keep feeling the need to say you are entitled to your view, we all know we ALL can have a view

So your duty of care doesn't care about what happens to peoples choice?

If people choose to work in healthcare then they choose that duty of care.

Then that’s not a choice.

of course its a choice , you are behaving as though your career options are nhs or permanently unemployed

funnily enough have we seen anyone who actually does work for the nhs on here arguing against getting or are we just arguing over eights thats these people don’t even need/want?

the reality is people who work in a medical profession, have faith in modern medicine (who would have thought it ) and are overwhelmingly already vaccinated"

*rights not eights sorry

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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.I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

You’re going into hospital for a heart transplant, would you be asking the surgeon to show proof that he/she has had the operation before being allowed to operate on you?

What difference does it make if the practitioner has had a jab or not? IT THEIR CHOICE!!!

Right

I'm not fucking shouting at you so can you kindly stop doing it to me and everyone else in most of your responses!

Thanks

Now..to answer your question

Yes I would ask or at least hope someone would ask for me if I was not able to ( like a consent form perhaps)

Secondly

And you might be surprised to hear this..but its MY CHOICE too

Kindly keep your manners and that people with done respect..everyone gets passionate at times but you need to stop seeming like you are pushing and shoving in this virtual world

Cheers "

That would have come across better if you were not swearing at the men while saying it

Can I just remind people that posts need to be civil...and people don't always agree and don't have to

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

Put it this way..I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

For curiosity , would you do that before Covid? I know it isn't the same as Flu but Flu can kill, would you ask a healthcare worker treating you had they had the Flu jab?"

Good question..I probably wouldn't have thought too much about it. However, I have some in going health issues so it is likely I would have asked questions before signing consent forms for surgery.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

.I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

You’re going into hospital for a heart transplant, would you be asking the surgeon to show proof that he/she has had the operation before being allowed to operate on you?

What difference does it make if the practitioner has had a jab or not? IT THEIR CHOICE!!!

Right

I'm not fucking shouting at you so can you kindly stop doing it to me and everyone else in most of your responses!

Thanks

Now..to answer your question

Yes I would ask or at least hope someone would ask for me if I was not able to ( like a consent form perhaps)

Secondly

And you might be surprised to hear this..but its MY CHOICE too

Kindly keep your manners and that people with done respect..everyone gets passionate at times but you need to stop seeming like you are pushing and shoving in this virtual world

Cheers

That would have come across better if you were not swearing at the men while saying it

Can I just remind people that posts need to be civil...and people don't always agree and don't have to"

I was just emphasising the other poster was not only a but rude but also swearing in their responses to people. It was starting to fry my noggin so I responded according to type ..

I do usually tend to be polite , civil and try to articulate my points of view where I can.

That said your comment duly noted

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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the reality is people who work in a medical profession, have faith in modern medicine (who would have thought it ) and are overwhelmingly already vaccinated

There is a programme on called Hospital which follows staff in Hospital, last weeks episode was where a member of staff was deployed to contact the staff who had refused the jab to see if they can understand why they didn't have it and try and get them to. She seemed to very busy So I would say there seemed a lot of NHS staff don't believe in it or have had it

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference

40 years is true, but you missed the minor point of it has been used for 40 years, so at that time it was as you call it "an experimental drug" don't remember any complaining then.

And you missed my minor point in the next thread explaining how it was being created and tested for many years before release

And humans can’t make mistakes? I remember thalidomide was seen as a miracle cure for pregnant women from the majority of experts.

And cocaine before this.

Knowledge changes. Things that were safe years ago are not longer seen as safe.

Mercury treatments?

I never once said I was anti vax, I’ve just chose not to have it until I see an accurate long term study.

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over a year ago

the reality is people who work in a medical profession, have faith in modern medicine (who would have thought it ) and are overwhelmingly already vaccinated

i didnt say all, i said overwhelmingly

and much like when folk are quick to make us aware that articles and shows about people on benefits are filming the extreme cases because its a story that sells, its the same situation here - nobody is interested in watching episodes about the huge majority of people that did get their jab, its normal and boring , so they follow the people that haven’t and show that story instead - its doesn’t necessarily then follow that lots of the nhs have refused it

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Put it this way..I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

For curiosity , would you do that before Covid? I know it isn't the same as Flu but Flu can kill, would you ask a healthcare worker treating you had they had the Flu jab?

Good question..I probably wouldn't have thought too much about it. However, I have some in going health issues so it is likely I would have asked questions before signing consent forms for surgery. "

You see this is why I can't make my mind up, before this I probably wouldn't have asked them either, but now I am trying to keep myself safe, would I be safe if the person treating me hadn't had the jab and would I ask now, who knows....but on the other hand I do believe in people having a choice over what goes in your body

So I have still not made my mind up as to whether it should be compulsory for certain professions.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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the reality is people who work in a medical profession, have faith in modern medicine (who would have thought it ) and are overwhelmingly already vaccinated

i didnt say all, i said overwhelmingly

If you had saw the programme I am sure you wouldn't think like that, it isn't a sensationalism programme

It was more the comments of the nurse chasing people that made me think there were many refusing it, it did surprise me though, I didn't think many people working in the profession would refuse it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

to even be concidered for a job in health care you have to have the hep b jab, i dont see this as any different, i dont hear about an uprore about that, we have all but eradicated hep b atleast in eaurope, lets hope this works as well

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Very difficult to do your NHS job on front line if you haven't got a HepB vaccine. What is the difference?

The HepB has long term study. 40 years study. That’s the difference

40 years is true, but you missed the minor point of it has been used for 40 years, so at that time it was as you call it "an experimental drug" don't remember any complaining then.

And you missed my minor point in the next thread explaining how it was being created and tested for many years before release

And humans can’t make mistakes? I remember thalidomide was seen as a miracle cure for pregnant women from the majority of experts.

And cocaine before this.

Knowledge changes. Things that were safe years ago are not longer seen as safe.

Mercury treatments?

I never once said I was anti vax, I’ve just chose not to have it until I see an accurate long term study. "

So you're anti-until-you-see-a-long-term-study-vax? Sure, understood

Although why you think your own knowledge and expertise trumps that of the countless people who have made a career in the field is still a mystery. That's beside the point though - and wandering further off topic - so there's no point pursuing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just about all testing world wide has been looking into these vaccines so as to rush it through quickly, as happend with hep b.

that was realeased early as were the covid jabsif you dont trust the medical profesion then what will you do if you have a car crash and loos a leg, im sure you will change your tune then, or sre you such a hard man, you will strap your belt round it to stop the bleeding and make youself a wooden leg?, strong example but the principal is the same.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"I think they should make it compulsory. How can we ever get back to normal if people refuse to have it ? "

There will be no normal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they should make it compulsory. How can we ever get back to normal if people refuse to have it ?

There will be no normal "

very true, life has change, im not sure it will ever go back to live before covid, atleast not in the next decade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it will happen it’s compulsory for clinical workers to have HepB, chicken pox and TB immunity before being taken on (the TB one may not be now) it’s about protecting staff and patients.

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By *9er_fanMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

Probably because of all the crap being spread about this still being in clinical trials."

Exactly... It's been trialled and various medicine agencies around the world have deemed it save.

I worked in the pharma industry for about 10 years. They have to continue to monitor the safety of all medicines once licensed. If you read the bit of paper in all medicines you buy over the counter or are prescribed it will include information on known side effects and where to report, so all this c**p being spread on the internet about it being a big trial is BS.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I think it will happen it’s compulsory for clinical workers to have HepB, chicken pox and TB immunity before being taken on (the TB one may not be now) it’s about protecting staff and patients. "

Absolutely. I think if it's reasonable to expect your job is going to put you into contact with members of at-risk groups (elderly, underlying health conditions, compromised immune systems etc.) then vaccination requirements makes a lot of sense.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

Probably because of all the crap being spread about this still being in clinical trials.

Exactly... It's been trialled and various medicine agencies around the world have deemed it save.

Yes. This 2023 nonsense is post trial safety monitoring. The phase 3 studies have long since been published.

Phase 4 trials are post marketing monitoring.

... And we get all this scaremongering. Because of additional safety checks

(The trial I'm on is seeking approval in the autumn, but my presence is required intermittently until June 2022)

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

Put it this way..I won't be getting treated by any health professional who has not been vaccinated..further I will be asking for proof /confirmation before agreeing to any treatment

For curiosity , would you do that before Covid? I know it isn't the same as Flu but Flu can kill, would you ask a healthcare worker treating you had they had the Flu jab?

Good question..I probably wouldn't have thought too much about it. However, I have some in going health issues so it is likely I would have asked questions before signing consent forms for surgery.

So I have still not made my mind up as to whether it should be compulsory for certain professions."

That's reasonable. I'm leaning towards a sort of 'Blitz spirit/ greater good' sort of way of thinking about this.

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

all views welcome "

Jabs were always compulsory for any medics working for the NHS

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Including measles mumps rubella Hep etc .

My ward necessitates also flu jabs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i notice the naysayers have dissapeared, seems they have no argument for logic

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Or maybe went for their fish finger butties

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Or maybe went for their fish finger butties"

Fish finger butties? With ketchup? Is there a nice strong pot of tea as well? Now that's a much more interesting topic! I can offer cake for afters, or how about some trifle?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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That will never happen. You can’t force someone to take medication against their will.

The legal implications about infringing human rights would be too great. Lawsuits everywhere if they even tried. "

You cant no but you can and many jobs within the NSH already stipulate you must have certain vaccinations in the employment contract.

You don't have to have any vaccines but you may well find you won't get hired.

This has been the case with the hep vaccine for many years and is not a new thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

It's not though is it. Certain jobs have certain requirements. If someone doesn't want the vaccine they can get another job with different requirements.

Exactly this

Exactly!

Its like saying I want to be a teacher but I don't want a DBS check.

Thats fine but your application will be rejected.

Its also like a job that requires a driving licence, I don't drive so know I wouldn't get the job because I fit the requirements.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

Hep is not a new vaccine that is why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It should be a personal choice. Thin end of the wedge when you force people to put things in their body that they do not want and in some cases even need.

Sure. Choose your job or not.So its your way or the highway.How you going to fill all those highly trained jobs. "

That is always the case with employment though.

If I choose not to comply with company policy whatever that is or a contract change then I won't have job for long.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hep is not a new vaccine that is why "

Can you please name me one vaccine that has ever been passed as safe to have proven long term side affects?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As nurse NHS.. currently have to have

Mmr/tetanus/varricella/hep b + blood test/boosters..

So another one won't make much difference.. certain countries in world have to have yellow fever, ..or you don't get entry..

Just how the world changes

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Hep is not a new vaccine that is why

Can you please name me one vaccine that has ever been passed as safe to have proven long term side affects?"

Pandemtrix.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Hep is not a new vaccine that is why

Can you please name me one vaccine that has ever been passed as safe to have proven long term side affects?"

And there's a third world clusterfuck over polio vaccines that ended up causing polio infections, courtesy of Bill Gates I understand....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

Probably because of all the crap being spread about this still being in clinical trials."

are you by any chance a member of the 77th brigade?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour. "

Several companies have already sacked people, due to not having the vaccine. Residents in care homes, have a right to be treated by a safe person.

My company has got rid of a few people, as they don't want the vaccine.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Hep is not a new vaccine that is why

Can you please name me one vaccine that has ever been passed as safe to have proven long term side affects?

Pandemtrix. "

THIS from the British Medical Journal (and pro-vaxxers can’t understand why anti-vaxxers are, well anti, and vaccine hesitant want to wait a bit

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“Eight years after the pandemic influenza outbreak, a lawsuit alleging that GlaxoSmithKline’s Pandemrix vaccine caused narcolepsy has unearthed internal reports suggesting problems with the vaccine’s safety. Peter Doshi asks what this means for the future of transparency during public health emergencies

In October 2009, the US National Institutes of Health infectious diseases chief, Anthony Fauci, appeared on YouTube to reassure Americans about the safety of the “swine flu” vaccine. “The track record for serious adverse events is very good. It’s very, very, very rare that you ever see anything that’s associated with the vaccine that’s a serious event,”1 he said.

Four months earlier, the World Health Organization had declared H1N1 influenza a pandemic, and by October 2009 the new vaccines were being rolled out across the world. A similar story was playing out in the UK, with prominent organisations, including the Department of Health, British Medical Association, and Royal Colleges of General Practitioners, working hard to convince a reluctant NHS workforce to get vaccinated. “We fully support the swine flu vaccination programme … The vaccine has been thoroughly tested,” they declared in a joint statement.

Except, it hadn’t. Anticipating a severe influenza pandemic, governments around the world had made various logistical and legal arrangements to shorten the time between recognition of a pandemic virus and the production of a vaccine and administration of that vaccine in the population. In Europe, one element of those plans was an agreement to grant licences to pandemic vaccines based on data from pre-pandemic “mock-up” vaccines produced using a different virus (H5N1 influenza). Another element, adopted by countries such as Canada, the US, UK, France, and Germany, was to provide vaccine manufacturers indemnity from liability for wrongdoing, thereby reducing the risk of a lawsuit stemming from vaccine related injury.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

Several companies have already sacked people, due to not having the vaccine. Residents in care homes, have a right to be treated by a safe person.

My company has got rid of a few people, as they don't want the vaccine. "

Youre missing the point.the residents had the right to be treated in hospital at the beginning of this fiasco but hancock thought different and kicked then out.

But hey,lets not blame hancock for countless deaths of the vunerable,lets blame those informed folk that have researched the vaccine and have decided to wait til the trials are finalised in 2023.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haha what a load of utter rubbish , you guys the mind boggles unbelievable

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

Several companies have already sacked people, due to not having the vaccine. Residents in care homes, have a right to be treated by a safe person.

My company has got rid of a few people, as they don't want the vaccine.

Youre missing the point.the residents had the right to be treated in hospital at the beginning of this fiasco but hancock thought different and kicked then out.

But hey,lets not blame hancock for countless deaths of the vunerable,lets blame those informed folk that have researched the vaccine and have decided to wait til the trials are finalised in 2023."

There was an email leaked at some point stating that it was the discharging doctors choice to test or not.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"I think they should make it compulsory. How can we ever get back to normal if people refuse to have it ? "

Normal now there's a thing I should be ringing festivals all over the world at this time of year. When will be be back to that sort of normal lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

Several companies have already sacked people, due to not having the vaccine. Residents in care homes, have a right to be treated by a safe person.

My company has got rid of a few people, as they don't want the vaccine.

Youre missing the point.the residents had the right to be treated in hospital at the beginning of this fiasco but hancock thought different and kicked then out.

But hey,lets not blame hancock for countless deaths of the vunerable,lets blame those informed folk that have researched the vaccine and have decided to wait til the trials are finalised in 2023.

There was an email leaked at some point stating that it was the discharging doctors choice to test or not. "

Do you truly believe they werent following orders? How naive.

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By *ixieUKMan
over a year ago

MORDEN

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour. "

Totally agree ??

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

Several companies have already sacked people, due to not having the vaccine. Residents in care homes, have a right to be treated by a safe person.

My company has got rid of a few people, as they don't want the vaccine.

Youre missing the point.the residents had the right to be treated in hospital at the beginning of this fiasco but hancock thought different and kicked then out.

But hey,lets not blame hancock for countless deaths of the vunerable,lets blame those informed folk that have researched the vaccine and have decided to wait til the trials are finalised in 2023.

There was an email leaked at some point stating that it was the discharging doctors choice to test or not.

Do you truly believe they werent following orders? How naive."

Or, thats exactly what happened, you're just too politically biased to accept anything else.

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

Several companies have already sacked people, due to not having the vaccine. Residents in care homes, have a right to be treated by a safe person.

My company has got rid of a few people, as they don't want the vaccine. "

Overall though the obvious conclusion for the vast vast majority is that it's far less risky taking the vaccine rather than getting Covid

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Haha what a load of utter rubbish , you guys the mind boggles unbelievable "

Why? Are you not able to back up these continued attempts at putting people down? Or do you just not want to?

Please remember some people are really struggling at the moment directly due to a virus you frequently suggest is nothing to worry about! Rather than rebuke and tease people maybe kindness is a better idea these days ?

All opinions matter but these days a bit of kindness and being mindful of others who are really struggling would be a better approach?

just coming online to bait vulnerable or weak people rather than have any interest in hearing someones opinion and enter a discussion isn't that great really *shrugs ..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

Several companies have already sacked people, due to not having the vaccine. Residents in care homes, have a right to be treated by a safe person.

My company has got rid of a few people, as they don't want the vaccine.

Overall though the obvious conclusion for the vast vast majority is that it's far less risky taking the vaccine rather than getting Covid

Quite

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Bring in the covid passport

Anyone who's vaccinated free to move around public places anyone who doesn't want it to be excluded from any public place including pubs restaurants and shops

They can continue to order online and let the rest of us get on with life

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East

If you look it up online Matt Hancock is already mentioning this in regards to making Covid vaccine mandatory.

totally this... mandated vaccines for certain careers or entry to certain countries is not a new concept but peoples mind are exploding at this “new facism”

I worked in private care and had to have Hep B. It was in our contract, I don't think such stipulations apply across the board tho only in certain sectors.

A close friend of mine is training to be a nurse and has already had to have her hep b vaccine along with everyone else in her year before they were even allowed to go on placement"

Exactly the same in social care, not allowed on placement without it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope they do then that will be the motivation i needed to stop building dreams for other and start own business

I am allergic to dead fetus and animal bits and heavy metals and most synth chemicals to be fair

My dr says its less risk for me to get covid ffs

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I hope they do then that will be the motivation i needed to stop building dreams for other and start own business

I am allergic to dead fetus and animal bits and heavy metals and most synth chemicals to be fair

My dr says its less risk for me to get covid ffs

Ah wonderful, another facebook professional.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bring in the covid passport

Anyone who's vaccinated free to move around public places anyone who doesn't want it to be excluded from any public place including pubs restaurants and shops

They can continue to order online and let the rest of us get on with life"

Keep up, the 'Covid passport' has already been binned due to not being workable or legal.

Mandatory jabs will go the same way. It's all sabre rattling for the hard of thinking to lap up.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"I hope they do then that will be the motivation i needed to stop building dreams for other and start own business

I am allergic to dead fetus and animal bits and heavy metals and most synth chemicals to be fair

My dr says its less risk for me to get covid ffs

Party favours!

Lol

Says it all.. *sniggers

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Bring in the covid passport

Anyone who's vaccinated free to move around public places anyone who doesn't want it to be excluded from any public place including pubs restaurants and shops

They can continue to order online and let the rest of us get on with life

Keep up, the 'Covid passport' has already been binned due to not being workable or legal.

Mandatory jabs will go the same way. It's all sabre rattling for the hard of thinking to lap up."

Think you will find that any country can make a vaccine legal if it needs to stop a spread of disease

Take ghana no yellow fever jab no entry

New laws are being passed daily through this pandemic so make the covid passport law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour. "

At last, sense

Whole heartedly agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour.

At last, sense

Whole heartedly agree.

Absolutely agree

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

For something that has had over 177,000 adverse reactions and 1,000 deaths don’t think that will be mandatory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bring in the covid passport

Anyone who's vaccinated free to move around public places anyone who doesn't want it to be excluded from any public place including pubs restaurants and shops

They can continue to order online and let the rest of us get on with life

Keep up, the 'Covid passport' has already been binned due to not being workable or legal.

Mandatory jabs will go the same way. It's all sabre rattling for the hard of thinking to lap up.

Think you will find that any country can make a vaccine legal if it needs to stop a spread of disease

Take ghana no yellow fever jab no entry

New laws are being passed daily through this pandemic so make the covid passport law"

Think you will find it can't be.

You cannot take someone's livelyhood away from them for refusing a vaccine, while at the same time refusing to allow any compensation claims in the event of it causing harm.

Even if they made a law, it would be overridden by the ECHR and they know it full well.

Its nothing like yellow fever because you don't have a contract to enter a country and those jabs have been around years.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"Bring in the covid passport

Anyone who's vaccinated free to move around public places anyone who doesn't want it to be excluded from any public place including pubs restaurants and shops

They can continue to order online and let the rest of us get on with life

Keep up, the 'Covid passport' has already been binned due to not being workable or legal.

Mandatory jabs will go the same way. It's all sabre rattling for the hard of thinking to lap up.

Think you will find that any country can make a vaccine legal if it needs to stop a spread of disease

Take ghana no yellow fever jab no entry

New laws are being passed daily through this pandemic so make the covid passport law

Think you will find it can't be.

You cannot take someone's livelyhood away from them for refusing a vaccine, while at the same time refusing to allow any compensation claims in the event of it causing harm.

Even if they made a law, it would be overridden by the ECHR and they know it full well.

Its nothing like yellow fever because you don't have a contract to enter a country and those jabs have been around years."

I wouldn't be so sure about the human rights angle on this one after this article in the guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/02/uk-rights-watchdog-endorses-compulsory-covid-jabs-for-care-home-staff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting making anyone participate in any clinical trial!

If you're willing to take it fine, if not, fine.

Personal choice, anything else is fascist like behaviour. "

Nobody is being forced to participate in a climical trial though.

You do know how vaccine licensing and approval works do you, or are you falling for the nonsense being spread by conspiracy theorists?

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By *vlovesoralTV/TS
over a year ago

London

all views welcome "

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By *vlovesoralTV/TS
over a year ago

London

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"For something that has had over 177,000 adverse reactions and 1,000 deaths don’t think that will be mandatory

Interesting. Please could you provide your source? Is that worldwide or UK? Which vaccine? Thanks

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By *vlovesoralTV/TS
over a year ago

London

I definitely think making the vaccine compulsory should happen. People who refuse it are a danger to themselves and others.

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