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"Your point being? " I think it’s because the presenter Lisa shaw had the jab that has links to blood clots and her family said she sadly died due to blood clots | |||
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"She had the astrazenica jab just been looking at the article in the local paper " What happened after her jab was she ill straight away? Me a friend of 42 and my 20 old daughter all had the as jab a few months ago at the same time , me and and my friend were absolutely fine other than dead arms, but fuck my daughter was so ill, almost took her to a&e that night, it was like a bad case of malaria, she was on fire, could hardly breathe , in pain , headache lasted all night and the next day. Never seen her so Ill in her life was quite scary | |||
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"She had the astrazenica jab just been looking at the article in the local paper What happened after her jab was she ill straight away? Me a friend of 42 and my 20 old daughter all had the as jab a few months ago at the same time , me and and my friend were absolutely fine other than dead arms, but fuck my daughter was so ill, almost took her to a&e that night, it was like a bad case of malaria, she was on fire, could hardly breathe , in pain , headache lasted all night and the next day. Never seen her so Ill in her life was quite scary " she died within days of receiving the jab cause of death blood clots | |||
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"I've got my second coming up and I'll be honest the blood clot thing has been a worry. Not least as I found something out recently...After my 1st I got 2 big bruises on my stomach... Size of a football (it's a big stomach)... I assumed it was a rugby training injury... But on reflection looked a lot like the bruising I got from the heperin jabs I did a few years ago. Apparently it's a known side effect of the az one. Hence my concern. As for the lady involved. Its very sad and I think it merits more than brushing it to one side. " Do speak to your doctor if you can | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing?" and having sex too. Remember Private Benjamin? | |||
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"I've got my second coming up and I'll be honest the blood clot thing has been a worry. Not least as I found something out recently...After my 1st I got 2 big bruises on my stomach... Size of a football (it's a big stomach)... I assumed it was a rugby training injury... But on reflection looked a lot like the bruising I got from the heperin jabs I did a few years ago. Apparently it's a known side effect of the az one. Hence my concern. As for the lady involved. Its very sad and I think it merits more than brushing it to one side. Do speak to your doctor if you can" I'm going to try. But my surgery are rubbish and their website explicitly directs you away from them for all matters covid. | |||
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"I've got my second coming up and I'll be honest the blood clot thing has been a worry. Not least as I found something out recently...After my 1st I got 2 big bruises on my stomach... Size of a football (it's a big stomach)... I assumed it was a rugby training injury... But on reflection looked a lot like the bruising I got from the heperin jabs I did a few years ago. Apparently it's a known side effect of the az one. Hence my concern. As for the lady involved. Its very sad and I think it merits more than brushing it to one side. Do speak to your doctor if you can I'm going to try. But my surgery are rubbish and their website explicitly directs you away from them for all matters covid. " I'm sorry. I get it. Does merit looking into before your second shot, though, you know? | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing?" The OP was not suggesting it was a bad thing, surely we can talk about things without people dismissing it this way | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing?" In that instance,, possibly! | |||
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" Not sure why the OP chucked in his quick bit of news and sloped off again? Or what he was hoping to achieve?? ..pointless really! " Not for the people who like to see what's going on. People don't have to come back to a thread they started | |||
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"It's good that this will be researched, as app potentially linked things are. Obviously such a sad loss. The vaccines remain very safe. " Evidently not. | |||
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"Contraceptive pill causes blood clots. She could have been taking that as well. Could be that that caused it or even a combination of the 2. The news are so quick to jump on things without all the facts " There’s a huge difference between a blood clot in the leg and on the brain...which hardly anyone seems to want to talk about | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. " I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is. | |||
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"This is very sad, but statistically the odds are similar to those of being struck by lightning. The problem is that right now we are ALL stood outside in a thunderstorm. " Great analogy. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is." It's fine to report these things but if people don't view the data in a sensible way, it causes panic. The risk of a blood clot from the vaccine is tiny, it's unfortunate that some people have died from it but far more people were dying from covid each day during the peaks. | |||
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"Very sad to read this. I had my second vaccine a couple of weeks ago. Both were Astra Zeneca and I was ill after the first one for a day and fortunately all fine after the second. Having also had covid and seen a close family member die early this year, it was nothing by comparison to how ill covid had me." What we hear a lot of of is... How low the probability is of being killed by clots from the vaccine and a hard number is ascribed to that and we then add emotion to it by talking about other risks... Which quite frankly are just people repeating daily mail taglines. What would make the decision making easier is if the brains trust could provide a similar number for the likelihood of catching and being killed by covid or catching and having long covid.... On a sliding scale by age group (each decile perhaps)....or of catching and spreading covid. Then people can make an informed choice. At the moment we are being told... Just do it for britain... You'll be mostly OK. And if you're not... Well everyone else will be. | |||
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"It's good that this will be researched, as app potentially linked things are. Obviously such a sad loss. The vaccines remain very safe. Evidently not." | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is." Agree 100% The BBC seem to report all of these outlier cases of under 50's etc .. contracting severe covid and dedicating whole programmes to it to spread fear and coerce people into vaccination. Yet there isn't much reporting in the mainstream on severe reactions and death as a result of vaccination. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is." I am not saying it shouldn't be reported but it should be reported accurately. The press are making out the risks are massive and it is putting people off having the vaccine. There are deaths every week from clots caused by the contraceptive pill (among others) but you never hear about that. Risk from the pill is much higher than the risk from the vaccine. | |||
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"This is very sad, but statistically the odds are similar to those of being struck by lightning. The problem is that right now we are ALL stood outside in a thunderstorm. Great analogy. "Agreed.. In time when we can look properly at the data of side effects etc in relation to how many didn't die of covid due to vaccination we can take a more objective viewpoint.. | |||
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"I do not think that it is acceptable that anybody dies from it " Not if their risk of death from the disease was 0.01 in the first place. | |||
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"I do not think that it is acceptable that anybody dies from it Not if their risk of death from the disease was 0.01 in the first place." | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is. I am not saying it shouldn't be reported but it should be reported accurately. The press are making out the risks are massive and it is putting people off having the vaccine. There are deaths every week from clots caused by the contraceptive pill (among others) but you never hear about that. Risk from the pill is much higher than the risk from the vaccine. " I agree with that. I think the press have made this a whole worse thoughout the last 18 months. I also think govt should have done a million times better at communicating, communication is everything when it comes to building trust with the public and they have been truly woeful. By now that should have built their own media outlet where key accurate messages can be pushed / pulled / fact checked... Out of interest... How many have died from taking the contraceptive pill since December? (and why would that be material to half the population... Being male) | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is. I am not saying it shouldn't be reported but it should be reported accurately. The press are making out the risks are massive and it is putting people off having the vaccine. There are deaths every week from clots caused by the contraceptive pill (among others) but you never hear about that. Risk from the pill is much higher than the risk from the vaccine. I agree with that. I think the press have made this a whole worse thoughout the last 18 months. I also think govt should have done a million times better at communicating, communication is everything when it comes to building trust with the public and they have been truly woeful. By now that should have built their own media outlet where key accurate messages can be pushed / pulled / fact checked... Out of interest... How many have died from taking the contraceptive pill since December? (and why would that be material to half the population... Being male) " They risks calculated regarding the contraceptive pill and clots is about 0.1% the risks from the vaccine when I last checked was around 0.0004% | |||
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"And all for a 1.2% reduction in risk...... "…which equates to 128,000 who would not have died. This is where we would have been if the vaccine was available in 2019. It is terribly sad that anyone dies, so reduce the risk and have the vaccine. Don’t fall for you tube conspiracy theories. If you forget how bad it was beforevthe vacvine in this country, then just look at India today. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. To put it in perspective. You take a bigger risk every time you cross the road. " I think your perspective is skewed. I have no idea the figure but the number of road crossings a day would be an enormous figure and the fatalities that result from this activity would be minuscule. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is. I am not saying it shouldn't be reported but it should be reported accurately. The press are making out the risks are massive and it is putting people off having the vaccine. There are deaths every week from clots caused by the contraceptive pill (among others) but you never hear about that. Risk from the pill is much higher than the risk from the vaccine. I agree with that. I think the press have made this a whole worse thoughout the last 18 months. I also think govt should have done a million times better at communicating, communication is everything when it comes to building trust with the public and they have been truly woeful. By now that should have built their own media outlet where key accurate messages can be pushed / pulled / fact checked... Out of interest... How many have died from taking the contraceptive pill since December? (and why would that be material to half the population... Being male) They risks calculated regarding the contraceptive pill and clots is about 0.1% the risks from the vaccine when I last checked was around 0.0004%" So 1 in 1000 women who take the pill die from a blood clot? | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is. I am not saying it shouldn't be reported but it should be reported accurately. The press are making out the risks are massive and it is putting people off having the vaccine. There are deaths every week from clots caused by the contraceptive pill (among others) but you never hear about that. Risk from the pill is much higher than the risk from the vaccine. I agree with that. I think the press have made this a whole worse thoughout the last 18 months. I also think govt should have done a million times better at communicating, communication is everything when it comes to building trust with the public and they have been truly woeful. By now that should have built their own media outlet where key accurate messages can be pushed / pulled / fact checked... Out of interest... How many have died from taking the contraceptive pill since December? (and why would that be material to half the population... Being male) They risks calculated regarding the contraceptive pill and clots is about 0.1% the risks from the vaccine when I last checked was around 0.0004% So 1 in 1000 women who take the pill die from a blood clot? " No, this is the risk of getting a blood clot in its own right, whatever the consequences. 5 to 12 clots per 10,000 for those on the pill, so 0.1% is in that range, but death is not relevant. The equivalent risk across daily life in general is 2 in 10,000, so 0.02%. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. To put it in perspective. You take a bigger risk every time you cross the road. I think your perspective is skewed. I have no idea the figure but the number of road crossings a day would be an enormous figure and the fatalities that result from this activity would be minuscule. " There's certainly ambiguity in the sentence. I don't think "every time" is the right phrasing, but there is definitely more chance of you dying whilst crossing the road each year (I just checked an american study that put it at 1 in 4,280 based on CDC data). But then if that number is right (That many people die from being hit by a car each year), then how many times does the average person cross a road? 1,000? If so, and I'm purely guesing that number, that would say there's a 1 in 4 million chance of dying *each time* you cross a road. Obviously that's the average person on the average road... So now I've typed this far, maybe the assertion does actually make sense. So many 0's in these conversations, it's very hard to keep numbers in perspective. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. To put it in perspective. You take a bigger risk every time you cross the road. I think your perspective is skewed. I have no idea the figure but the number of road crossings a day would be an enormous figure and the fatalities that result from this activity would be minuscule. There's certainly ambiguity in the sentence. I don't think "every time" is the right phrasing, but there is definitely more chance of you dying whilst crossing the road each year (I just checked an american study that put it at 1 in 4,280 based on CDC data). But then if that number is right (That many people die from being hit by a car each year), then how many times does the average person cross a road? 1,000? If so, and I'm purely guesing that number, that would say there's a 1 in 4 million chance of dying *each time* you cross a road. Obviously that's the average person on the average road... So now I've typed this far, maybe the assertion does actually make sense. So many 0's in these conversations, it's very hard to keep numbers in perspective." But then crossing the road is a repeated activity while vaccination is less so. I can cross the road more times in one day than the number of vaccinations I have in ten years. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. To put it in perspective. You take a bigger risk every time you cross the road. I think your perspective is skewed. I have no idea the figure but the number of road crossings a day would be an enormous figure and the fatalities that result from this activity would be minuscule. There's certainly ambiguity in the sentence. I don't think "every time" is the right phrasing, but there is definitely more chance of you dying whilst crossing the road each year (I just checked an american study that put it at 1 in 4,280 based on CDC data). But then if that number is right (That many people die from being hit by a car each year), then how many times does the average person cross a road? 1,000? If so, and I'm purely guesing that number, that would say there's a 1 in 4 million chance of dying *each time* you cross a road. Obviously that's the average person on the average road... So now I've typed this far, maybe the assertion does actually make sense. So many 0's in these conversations, it's very hard to keep numbers in perspective. But then crossing the road is a repeated activity while vaccination is less so. I can cross the road more times in one day than the number of vaccinations I have in ten years." Watch out for that bastard bus though! You don’t want to be a statistic! | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. To put it in perspective. You take a bigger risk every time you cross the road. I think your perspective is skewed. I have no idea the figure but the number of road crossings a day would be an enormous figure and the fatalities that result from this activity would be minuscule. There's certainly ambiguity in the sentence. I don't think "every time" is the right phrasing, but there is definitely more chance of you dying whilst crossing the road each year (I just checked an american study that put it at 1 in 4,280 based on CDC data). But then if that number is right (That many people die from being hit by a car each year), then how many times does the average person cross a road? 1,000? If so, and I'm purely guesing that number, that would say there's a 1 in 4 million chance of dying *each time* you cross a road. Obviously that's the average person on the average road... So now I've typed this far, maybe the assertion does actually make sense. So many 0's in these conversations, it's very hard to keep numbers in perspective. But then crossing the road is a repeated activity while vaccination is less so. I can cross the road more times in one day than the number of vaccinations I have in ten years. Watch out for that bastard bus though! You don’t want to be a statistic!"  | |||
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"My 90 year grandad died within a few months of having his jabs. Without them, he might have lived to 90.5 years old. The fact he died from cancer is irrelevant. Bill Gates can now track my grandad but he ain't going anywhere.... " It's a sad time where I have no idea if you're making deliberately flippant references, or genuinely mean this. Either way, family loss is never something to joke about. | |||
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"It's so difficult and awful for her family ... Unfortunately clots are a daily thing for all of us, causing strokes, heart attacks, DVT, pulmonary embolism and other embolisms ... strokes, for instance, effect many people of any age/fitness and are far more common! Hopefully you all keep well hydrated at all times to help minimize the risk Just to put the worry of blood clots into some kind of prospective " | |||
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"I'm due to have my 2nd Astra zenica vaccine next month...a tad nervous with all this blood clot reporting!! "From what I've read, the blood clots (if they are going to occur) always happen after the first shot. I had the AZ vaccine and was so nervous about the second but figured as I'd been ok with my first shot, the second would be ok (it was). | |||
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"I think we can probably be a bit more mindful of eachother on this stuff. I'm not sure anyone is suggesting it's anything other than a rare occurrence. I don't think anyone is arguing that other things we do on a daily basis may have more risk associated with them. I think some people are saying... Look its happening... Cna we just see the accurate numbers and can we have a grown up debate about how we mitigate the risk. One example might be... (and I may be wrong) but I've not seen gnashing of teeth about the Pfizer shot... Or others... So if the incidence is lower with that... Why on earth wouldn't you give the one with the lower risk profile? " Just shouting and abusing someone who is concerned... Doesn't help their concerns. | |||
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"Its beyond us why moderators allow people to post such blatant shite as this!" You do realise that Mods don't fact check and approve every comment made on the forum before they go live, don't you? | |||
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"I think we can probably be a bit more mindful of eachother on this stuff. I'm not sure anyone is suggesting it's anything other than a rare occurrence. I don't think anyone is arguing that other things we do on a daily basis may have more risk associated with them. I think some people are saying... Look its happening... Cna we just see the accurate numbers and can we have a grown up debate about how we mitigate the risk. One example might be... (and I may be wrong) but I've not seen gnashing of teeth about the Pfizer shot... Or others... So if the incidence is lower with that... Why on earth wouldn't you give the one with the lower risk profile? " There are other risks associated with the Pfizer vaccine. Everything has risks - but the highest risk here is Covid | |||
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"I think we can probably be a bit more mindful of eachother on this stuff. I'm not sure anyone is suggesting it's anything other than a rare occurrence. I don't think anyone is arguing that other things we do on a daily basis may have more risk associated with them. I think some people are saying... Look its happening... Cna we just see the accurate numbers and can we have a grown up debate about how we mitigate the risk. One example might be... (and I may be wrong) but I've not seen gnashing of teeth about the Pfizer shot... Or others... So if the incidence is lower with that... Why on earth wouldn't you give the one with the lower risk profile? " Supply issues, distribution issues, storage issues... Lots of reasons. Should we slow down the vaccination rollout in order to use a specific vaccine? This would leave more people unprotected for longer, and so presumably more deaths even IF the AZ clot concerns are valid. I understand it's also a good idea to deliberately diversify those in use to reduce the probabilities of variants working around one vaccine type and not the other. | |||
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"How many will die due to drink and drugs this weekend it will be far more than die of the vaccine... Yet it wont stop people going out getting smashed and you can bet some of them getting smashed and ending up in hospital will be anti vaxxers!" So you decide to not take the vaccine your an anti vaxxer...glad that's cleared up  | |||
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"How many will die due to drink and drugs this weekend it will be far more than die of the vaccine... Yet it wont stop people going out getting smashed and you can bet some of them getting smashed and ending up in hospital will be anti vaxxers!So you decide to not take the vaccine your an anti vaxxer...glad that's cleared up "That's not what the sentence states. | |||
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"I am sure someone has died from paracetamol or ibruprofen or aspirin, but does every one stop taking these when needed?" It's very curious how often arguments in support of balances of risks are perceived to actually show the opposite. Just look at all the fools talking about how cars should be banned as they kill people, and totally ignore the decades of research into road safety, and the balance we tread between it's safety and the massive contribution they make to the economny and society. It's all a balancing act. | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing?" There bad if there so I'll fitting they cause you damage, and you never needed to take the journey in the first place . | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. To put it in perspective. You take a bigger risk every time you cross the road. I think your perspective is skewed. I have no idea the figure but the number of road crossings a day would be an enormous figure and the fatalities that result from this activity would be minuscule. There's certainly ambiguity in the sentence. I don't think "every time" is the right phrasing, but there is definitely more chance of you dying whilst crossing the road each year (I just checked an american study that put it at 1 in 4,280 based on CDC data). But then if that number is right (That many people die from being hit by a car each year), then how many times does the average person cross a road? 1,000? If so, and I'm purely guesing that number, that would say there's a 1 in 4 million chance of dying *each time* you cross a road. Obviously that's the average person on the average road... So now I've typed this far, maybe the assertion does actually make sense. So many 0's in these conversations, it's very hard to keep numbers in perspective." Your post was about putting numbers into perspective though…. And I think your statement was wrong. You would have to calculate number of instances of crossing a road and the number of deaths that occur as a result of it. I’m not that bored to try and calculate ( I couldn’t anyway) though my google search ‘likelihood of dying from crossing the road’ yielded information suggesting 1 in 300million. 1192 events with a fatal outcome are recorded following vaccination and 37 million vaccinations (1 in 31000 potentially). Now… I don’t believe that all the deaths would not have occurred without the vaccination but I do believe it’s far safer crossing the road! | |||
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"I do not think that it is acceptable that anybody dies from it Not if their risk of death from the disease was 0.01 in the first place." | |||
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"Your post was about putting numbers into perspective though…. And I think your statement was wrong. You would have to calculate number of instances of crossing a road and the number of deaths that occur as a result of it. I’m not that bored to try and calculate ( I couldn’t anyway) though my google search ‘likelihood of dying from crossing the road’ yielded information suggesting 1 in 300million. 1192 events with a fatal outcome are recorded following vaccination and 37 million vaccinations (1 in 31000 potentially). Now… I don’t believe that all the deaths would not have occurred without the vaccination but I do believe it’s far safer crossing the road! The only reference I see to 300 million from searching that phrase says: "There is 1 in 300 million chance of dying in a roller coaster accident. You have better chance of dying from Heart disease, cancer, or even crossing the street.". Sooooooo...." Divide annual risk by the number of daily road crossings and the number of days in a year gives a fatality risk of 5.1x10 to power of 6 /(3.9x365) = 3.6x10 to power of 9 … or about one in 300 million…. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is. It's fine to report these things but if people don't view the data in a sensible way, it causes panic. " The article did report the risk and how low it is. | |||
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"The numbers of deaths reported due to the vaccines are extremely small. All medications injectable or tablets have risks. The reason everyone is so scared is that the media is making it a massive thing, the number of deaths is less then 100 in many hundreds of thousands of vaccines given. I think it should be reported on so people know what risk there is, no matter how little it is. I am not saying it shouldn't be reported but it should be reported accurately. The press are making out the risks are massive and it is putting people off having the vaccine. " The article doesn't | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing? "Thats different , that’s like being vaccinated and still dying from covid. The analogy is more like dying from simply putting on a seatbelt , if that happened it would cause concern | |||
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"Whilst it's very rare I think both German and Danish researchers have separately shown it is the vaccine causing the clots..." Yes, I don't think that the cause is in any serious doubt at this point. | |||
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"Let's bring this into perspective.... You are more likely to get m a blood clot caused by the pill that Vaccination . Pill 1-1000 Flight 1-2000 Vaccination 1-250000 This is from the BMJ. So yes it's tragic that this person died, but let's be honest alot of people on here are already taking the risk as they take the pill " I agree completely with the numbers, but obviously if you taking the Pill & getting vaccinated the risks must be higher, and what about airline pilots... who are also on the pill? In reality, any tangible evidence that those who oppose vaccination can use, will be pushed as a reason to not take it. We can see that the risks are actually seriously low, but people must still decide for themselves. | |||
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"Your post was about putting numbers into perspective though…. And I think your statement was wrong. You would have to calculate number of instances of crossing a road and the number of deaths that occur as a result of it. I’m not that bored to try and calculate ( I couldn’t anyway) though my google search ‘likelihood of dying from crossing the road’ yielded information suggesting 1 in 300million. 1192 events with a fatal outcome are recorded following vaccination and 37 million vaccinations (1 in 31000 potentially). Now… I don’t believe that all the deaths would not have occurred without the vaccination but I do believe it’s far safer crossing the road! The only reference I see to 300 million from searching that phrase says: "There is 1 in 300 million chance of dying in a roller coaster accident. You have better chance of dying from Heart disease, cancer, or even crossing the street.". Sooooooo.... Soooo? So you appear to have been exactly wrong in your rebuttal. If that's the quote you saw, you couldn't have possibly interpreted the "data" more incorrectly. Although, I'm being a bit... confrontational here. it just seems that from the data I saw, it doesn't seem unreasonable to say you may be statistically more likely to die EVERY time you cross the road, than you are from the vaccine." I’m sorry if I misunderstand …. For the data presented, the frequency of a fatal incident in the activity of crossing the road is 1 in 300 million, I take that as being 1 in 300 million. For the instances of vaccination 37million with 1192 fatalities 1in 31k . An instance of crossing the road appears to be safer ? | |||
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"Your post was about putting numbers into perspective though…. And I think your statement was wrong. You would have to calculate number of instances of crossing a road and the number of deaths that occur as a result of it. I’m not that bored to try and calculate ( I couldn’t anyway) though my google search ‘likelihood of dying from crossing the road’ yielded information suggesting 1 in 300million. 1192 events with a fatal outcome are recorded following vaccination and 37 million vaccinations (1 in 31000 potentially). Now… I don’t believe that all the deaths would not have occurred without the vaccination but I do believe it’s far safer crossing the road! The only reference I see to 300 million from searching that phrase says: "There is 1 in 300 million chance of dying in a roller coaster accident. You have better chance of dying from Heart disease, cancer, or even crossing the street.". Sooooooo.... Soooo? So you appear to have been exactly wrong in your rebuttal. If that's the quote you saw, you couldn't have possibly interpreted the "data" more incorrectly. Although, I'm being a bit... confrontational here. it just seems that from the data I saw, it doesn't seem unreasonable to say you may be statistically more likely to die EVERY time you cross the road, than you are from the vaccine. I’m sorry if I misunderstand …. For the data presented, the frequency of a fatal incident in the activity of crossing the road is 1 in 300 million, I take that as being 1 in 300 million. For the instances of vaccination 37million with 1192 fatalities 1in 31k . An instance of crossing the road appears to be safer ? " Again though, the 1 in 3m figure I saw is NOT about road crossings afaik, it's about roller coasters, with road crossings being the "obviously more dangerous" alternative in their comment. | |||
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"Your post was about putting numbers into perspective though…. And I think your statement was wrong. You would have to calculate number of instances of crossing a road and the number of deaths that occur as a result of it. I’m not that bored to try and calculate ( I couldn’t anyway) though my google search ‘likelihood of dying from crossing the road’ yielded information suggesting 1 in 300million. 1192 events with a fatal outcome are recorded following vaccination and 37 million vaccinations (1 in 31000 potentially). Now… I don’t believe that all the deaths would not have occurred without the vaccination but I do believe it’s far safer crossing the road! The only reference I see to 300 million from searching that phrase says: "There is 1 in 300 million chance of dying in a roller coaster accident. You have better chance of dying from Heart disease, cancer, or even crossing the street.". Sooooooo.... Soooo? So you appear to have been exactly wrong in your rebuttal. If that's the quote you saw, you couldn't have possibly interpreted the "data" more incorrectly. Although, I'm being a bit... confrontational here. it just seems that from the data I saw, it doesn't seem unreasonable to say you may be statistically more likely to die EVERY time you cross the road, than you are from the vaccine. I’m sorry if I misunderstand …. For the data presented, the frequency of a fatal incident in the activity of crossing the road is 1 in 300 million, I take that as being 1 in 300 million. For the instances of vaccination 37million with 1192 fatalities 1in 31k . An instance of crossing the road appears to be safer ? Again though, the 1 in 3m figure I saw is NOT about road crossings afaik, it's about roller coasters, with road crossings being the "obviously more dangerous" alternative in their comment." Right I get that! But the information I was presented with was as I posted above …. Note the specific search I did, via Google, not the information that your search returned ! So just to be clear…. Your post above suggests that each time a person crosses the road your belief is that they are are statistically more likely to have a fatal incident than having the vaccine? | |||
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"We can't yet know the full risks and effects of covid or of the vaccines fully at the moment. Neither has existed long enough for accurate data. " We can use out time-honoured experience of these and other vaccines, including trials on hundreds of thousands of people and hundreds of millions of people, to evaluate the risks. Standardised medicine research protocols allow us to predetermine what to test for as well as the types and levels of risk over time. As millions of people get the treatments, we increase the precision accuracy of our forecast risks and types. Most vaccine risks are evident in the first few weeks and months, to the extent that risks after a year are almost non-existent. Many people view the current level of risk as almost non-existent too. | |||
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"If she'd eaten a peanut, for example, and died of a peanut allergy, would people be calling for a boycott of peanuts" No one is calling for a boycott | |||
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" No one is calling for a boycott" I don't know what social media you are on, but I see lots of anti-Astra & Pfizer tweets telling people not to have the vaccine because of side effects, microchips, blood clots & heart attacks, etc. | |||
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"The U.K. Governments report has collated data inputted up to the 19th May via the MHRA Yellow Card Scheme. At this point an estimated 12.7 million first doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and 24.2 million doses of the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine, had been administered. As well as around 10.5 million second doses of the Pfizer jab, and 10.7 million second doses of the AstraZeneca jab. There had also been around 0.3 million first doses of the Moderna vaccine administered as of the 19th May. As of the same date the MHRA had received 175,673 reports of adverse reactions to the Pfizer jab, and 676,083 reports of adverse reactions to the AstraZeneca jab, bringing the total number of adverse reactions to both jabs to an eye watering total of 851,756. However the MHRA states that only 1% – 10% of adverse reactions are actually reported to the Yellow Card scheme. The adverse reactions include 12,028 blood disorders, 9,198 cardiac disorders, 9,110 ear disorders, 13,396 eye disorders, and an astounding 178,401 nervous system disorders. As of the 19th May the rate of occurence of an adverse reactions stands at 1 in every 142 people, this is a significant increase from what was seen in the first report which included adverse reactions up to the 24th January, in which the rate stood at 1 in every 333 people." Again, they are just reports, not proven to be down to the vaccine, people are encouraged to report any health changes that happen after having the vaccine. | |||
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"This is very sad any loss of life but people do loose sight of the fact that people die of blood clots. Statistically if you are a younger woman you have more chance of dying from blood clots if you are on the pill. If covid hadn't happened and she had died sadly because she is in the higher risk group for blood clots for example. Would that have made the news? Large number of people who contact covid die of blood clots higher than currently those that have been vaccinated. Unfortunately media and antivaccers take it out of context, usually to suit their own agenda" | |||
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"lots of people have died after getting vaccination shots or AB shots and some have been due to reactions others have not been related. Remember, the first britsh guy to be vaccd has now died, but that was old age" Why remember that? It's all irrelevant. | |||
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"lots of people have died after getting vaccination shots or AB shots and some have been due to reactions others have not been related. Remember, the first britsh guy to be vaccd has now died, but that was old age" No it wasn't old age. William Shakespeare, one of the first to get the vaccine, died of a stroke. | |||
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"This is very sad any loss of life but people do loose sight of the fact that people die of blood clots. Statistically if you are a younger woman you have more chance of dying from blood clots if you are on the pill. If covid hadn't happened and she had died sadly because she is in the higher risk group for blood clots for example. Would that have made the news? Large number of people who contact covid die of blood clots higher than currently those that have been vaccinated. Unfortunately media and antivaccers take it out of context, usually to suit their own agenda" Exactly. | |||
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"lots of people have died after getting vaccination shots or AB shots and some have been due to reactions others have not been related. Remember, the first britsh guy to be vaccd has now died, but that was old age No it wasn't old age. William Shakespeare, one of the first to get the vaccine, died of a stroke." Well it's literally impossible to die of old age... Might as well die of Tuesday... | |||
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"I though no one died of anything but Covid 19 anymore;-)" You though wrong, very wrong. | |||
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" No one is calling for a boycott I don't know what social media you are on, but I see lots of anti-Astra & Pfizer tweets telling people not to have the vaccine because of side effects, microchips, blood clots & heart attacks, etc." I am talking about this thread, were you are posting | |||
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"This puts me off taking the vaccine even more. It’s frightening she was so young " Context is everything. How many haven't died from it? Don't be manipulated by scare tactics. | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing?" No it makes cars a bad thing. Road deaths have droped with lockdown. But there is also more people spending. So it's not even cars it you and me as drivers. If People you and me where more responsible. Covid would not spread like car crashes would not happen. | |||
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"I can say with great confidence that everyone who has had now had a Covid vaccine will die in the next 100years " Most are over 50 so I'll rase that to 90% having had both jabs Will did in the next 40 years. | |||
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"This puts me off taking the vaccine even more. It’s frightening she was so young " Have a read up on the stats, it is very low ( assuming they are telling us everything ) I can understand people being wary and I don't think anyone should be brow beaten into anything. Some will have people believe it is scaremongering to have reports on it but some articles are just giving the facts and stats so you can make your own mind up For your age group you wouldn't be getting the Astra vaccine anyway | |||
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"Your point being? I think it’s because the presenter Lisa shaw had the jab that has links to blood clots and her family said she sadly died due to blood clots " What I do not understand is. When I did a long hall flight I use to take half an aspirin a day befor and after the flight if. If you are worried about a risk you can reduce it. Like looking befor you cross the road. | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing? The OP was not suggesting it was a bad thing, surely we can talk about things without people dismissing it this way" To be fair, it was unclear what point the OP was making which is a shame. As the OP didn't express his sadness on a personal level I just took it to be another swipe at vaccines. My response wasn't being dismissive but putting a counter argument. Was that wrong? | |||
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"Your point being? I think it’s because the presenter Lisa shaw had the jab that has links to blood clots and her family said she sadly died due to blood clots What I do not understand is. When I did a long hall flight I use to take half an aspirin a day befor and after the flight if. If you are worried about a risk you can reduce it. Like looking befor you cross the road. " I don't mitigate before travelling to and from Australia. I don't consider it that high risk tbh. I just move around | |||
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"Your point being? I think it’s because the presenter Lisa shaw had the jab that has links to blood clots and her family said she sadly died due to blood clots What I do not understand is. When I did a long hall flight I use to take half an aspirin a day befor and after the flight if. If you are worried about a risk you can reduce it. Like looking befor you cross the road. I don't mitigate before travelling to and from Australia. I don't consider it that high risk tbh. I just move around "If it works for you then all good we all take risks is all I'm saying and we can all reduce them. | |||
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"Your point being? I think it’s because the presenter Lisa shaw had the jab that has links to blood clots and her family said she sadly died due to blood clots What I do not understand is. When I did a long hall flight I use to take half an aspirin a day befor and after the flight if. If you are worried about a risk you can reduce it. Like looking befor you cross the road. I don't mitigate before travelling to and from Australia. I don't consider it that high risk tbh. I just move around
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing? The OP was not suggesting it was a bad thing, surely we can talk about things without people dismissing it this way To be fair, it was unclear what point the OP was making which is a shame. As the OP didn't express his sadness on a personal level I just took it to be another swipe at vaccines. My response wasn't being dismissive but putting a counter argument. Was that wrong? " If my post didn't apply to you then I am not sure why you would defend yourself Lots of people put posts up without putting their own personal view. It is almost like some people don't actually want news about what is going on with the vaccine unless it is positive. Not all things are positive | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing? The OP was not suggesting it was a bad thing, surely we can talk about things without people dismissing it this way To be fair, it was unclear what point the OP was making which is a shame. As the OP didn't express his sadness on a personal level I just took it to be another swipe at vaccines. My response wasn't being dismissive but putting a counter argument. Was that wrong? If my post didn't apply to you then I am not sure why you would defend yourself Lots of people put posts up without putting their own personal view. It is almost like some people don't actually want news about what is going on with the vaccine unless it is positive. Not all things are positive" That works both ways though, we try to post positive things and the doom and gloom merchants take over. Not all things are negative. | |||
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"Having read this thread I think I need to ask this…. If the family and the doctors are saying her death had nothing to do with getting the jab… why are we treating that as though the family and the doctors are lying? Basically this thread is akin to a conspiracy theorist saying don’t believe anything!!! Again just feel the need to point out that the family said her death as unfortunate as it was as I loved listening to her show, had nothing to do with the jab!" I think you nailed it with the quote about conspiracy theorists, there are far too many people out there that want to believe the fake news and misinformation that is being spread by antivax groups that actually have little to no understanding of the science behind vaccines or the statistics that they are quoting. I have seen these idiots claim a list of chemicals is dangerous when presented with the chemical composition of an ordinary apple | |||
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"Having read this thread I think I need to ask this…. If the family and the doctors are saying her death had nothing to do with getting the jab… why are we treating that as though the family and the doctors are lying? Basically this thread is akin to a conspiracy theorist saying don’t believe anything!!! Again just feel the need to point out that the family said her death as unfortunate as it was as I loved listening to her show, had nothing to do with the jab!" I think people are afraid, and this is relatively high profile. It is something that is associated and should be investigated. I'm just sorry for everyone who loved her, no matter what happened. | |||
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"Having read this thread I think I need to ask this…. If the family and the doctors are saying her death had nothing to do with getting the jab… why are we treating that as though the family and the doctors are lying? Basically this thread is akin to a conspiracy theorist saying don’t believe anything!!! Again just feel the need to point out that the family said her death as unfortunate as it was as I loved listening to her show, had nothing to do with the jab!" Sure but it is very understandable when someone dies of a blood clot shortly after having a vaccine which has a known side effect of blood clots. As for this individual case... I'd be very interested to understand how they can determine that the blood clot that killed the lady was caused by something else. | |||
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"Having read this thread I think I need to ask this…. If the family and the doctors are saying her death had nothing to do with getting the jab… why are we treating that as though the family and the doctors are lying? Basically this thread is akin to a conspiracy theorist saying don’t believe anything!!! Again just feel the need to point out that the family said her death as unfortunate as it was as I loved listening to her show, had nothing to do with the jab! Sure but it is very understandable when someone dies of a blood clot shortly after having a vaccine which has a known side effect of blood clots. As for this individual case... I'd be very interested to understand how they can determine that the blood clot that killed the lady was caused by something else. " The article says it's being investigated. Unless there's other information out there I haven't seen, which is perfectly possible. Investigation is appropriate, but of course clots do happen for other reasons. | |||
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"I'm going to seem like I've "switched sides" here... I haven't... Yet... But I'm wondering a lot more about wtf the strategy we are following is to get us out of this situation. First we were told that one jab is enough to keep most of us from bad symptoms and... hospitalisations.... Then we were told we have a 4 stage exit plan with target dates, but which will depend on the data being OK, with pauses between each to measure the effects... And we would stick to that unless another variant came along and made us reassess the dates. Then we were told we have a great border control policy that will prevent it from being imported... We have traffic lights to tell us we can't go to red or Amber list countries (and yet still 4 planes a day from India are landing at Heathrow?)... Then the variant takes off and we say... Ah but most of the hospitalisations are people who've only had one jab.. So we need two jabs...... But we have vaccine shortages... But let's open up more... But infections are climbing... I know let's jab kids... It just feels like its all over the place. And it is also starting to feel like the jabs may not be giving us the protection we were sold. " Separate it out. Politics? Clusterfuck. Science? Not static - but we don't want it to be, otherwise we'd be at mysterious pneumonia sweeping the world plus some people randomly stop smelling things. I see a clear progression of improving what we know, and scientific recommendations being made on that basis. (You might not - but, try separating it out. Think about "what do the politicians decide" and "what do we actually know" as two separate categories) | |||
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"Well I had both jabs of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and had no side effects at all from either of them. Just the same as when I have the flu jab never get a side effect from that either." Individual, tiny risk. Community, enormous benefit. Like any other vaccine. | |||
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"People die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts ... does that make seatbelts a bad thing? The OP was not suggesting it was a bad thing, surely we can talk about things without people dismissing it this way To be fair, it was unclear what point the OP was making which is a shame. As the OP didn't express his sadness on a personal level I just took it to be another swipe at vaccines. My response wasn't being dismissive but putting a counter argument. Was that wrong? If my post didn't apply to you then I am not sure why you would defend yourself Lots of people put posts up without putting their own personal view. It is almost like some people don't actually want news about what is going on with the vaccine unless it is positive. Not all things are positive That works both ways though, we try to post positive things and the doom and gloom merchants take over. Not all things are negative." So when people post the opposite of what you post you think they are doom and gloom people even if what they are saying is true? Maybe that is the issue, we should really have respect for other peoples posts and views as you would expect the same when you are posting yours | |||
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"Having read this thread I think I need to ask this…. If the family and the doctors are saying her death had nothing to do with getting the jab… why are we treating that as though the family and the doctors are lying? Basically this thread is akin to a conspiracy theorist saying don’t believe anything!!! Again just feel the need to point out that the family said her death as unfortunate as it was as I loved listening to her show, had nothing to do with the jab!" To be fair, there is an investigation at the minute according the article so nothing has been decided yet. Again according to the statement from the family they didn't say anything about the vaccine one way or another | |||
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"Or people can just avoid the forum so they don't have to read it" But it's like car crashes...or ladies in short skirts.. You just can stop slowing down and looking. | |||
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" Take your pick from the next post, one might suit. There are many others on google if none do. Sneering at peoples subjects or posts rather than join in on the discussion is not really what the forum is for and spoils threads." Why is putting an opposing view regarded as 'sneering'? | |||
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"Well I had both jabs of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and had no side effects at all from either of them. Just the same as when I have the flu jab never get a side effect from that either. Individual, tiny risk. Community, enormous benefit. Like any other vaccine." I wish that you would consider that you may be wrong in some circumstances. People are genuinely worried about the vaccine but you will not bend on it? It all upsets me | |||
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"Well I had both jabs of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and had no side effects at all from either of them. Just the same as when I have the flu jab never get a side effect from that either. Individual, tiny risk. Community, enormous benefit. Like any other vaccine. I wish that you would consider that you may be wrong in some circumstances. People are genuinely worried about the vaccine but you will not bend on it? It all upsets me " I think everyone has to make their own choice based on the facts, and not malicious fake news stories which fuel people's worries. Of course, most if not all drugs carry a risk. It's always best talking to a GP about any concerns. | |||
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All medication have side effects…tell me one that doesnt..most info leaflets it’s under section 4-6…
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"Well I had both jabs of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and had no side effects at all from either of them. Just the same as when I have the flu jab never get a side effect from that either. Individual, tiny risk. Community, enormous benefit. Like any other vaccine. I wish that you would consider that you may be wrong in some circumstances. People are genuinely worried about the vaccine but you will not bend on it? It all upsets me " I have a close relative who did actually nearly die from a vaccine. I'm aware of what it's actually like, to lose that lottery. It's a burden I actually live with. I'm sorry it upsets you, I am. But what is there to bend on? Medication has side effects. For some that might be catastrophic. For the overwhelming majority it's minor or non existent. | |||
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"Well I had both jabs of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and had no side effects at all from either of them. Just the same as when I have the flu jab never get a side effect from that either. Individual, tiny risk. Community, enormous benefit. Like any other vaccine. I wish that you would consider that you may be wrong in some circumstances. People are genuinely worried about the vaccine but you will not bend on it? It all upsets me " I don't understand what you mean by could be wrong? Yes people are worried but its a fact that the vast majority of people have no or very minor side affects to this vaccine. People have side affects to every medication every day but I'm almost all cases the benefits out way the risk. | |||
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"Well I had both jabs of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and had no side effects at all from either of them. Just the same as when I have the flu jab never get a side effect from that either. Individual, tiny risk. Community, enormous benefit. Like any other vaccine. I wish that you would consider that you may be wrong in some circumstances. People are genuinely worried about the vaccine but you will not bend on it? It all upsets me I think everyone has to make their own choice based on the facts, and not malicious fake news stories which fuel people's worries. Of course, most if not all drugs carry a risk. It's always best talking to a GP about any concerns. " | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57267169" No body ever knows if anyone has any underlying conditions people sometimes ignore the littlest things that could be very serious to their health and never explored because never mentioned to their GP to possibly have further investigations people also forget if nothing is ever mentioned to their GP they wouldn't be any wiser nor any other medical professional would be that's why it's important not to ignore when a person feels unwell so if there is anything it can be treated before it's too late. Medication of any sort can also have an adverse effect due to something that has never been investigated due to their health because they never reported it. | |||
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" Take your pick from the next post, one might suit. There are many others on google if none do. Sneering at peoples subjects or posts rather than join in on the discussion is not really what the forum is for and spoils threads. Why is putting an opposing view regarded as 'sneering'?" That isn't | |||
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"Well I had both jabs of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and had no side effects at all from either of them. Just the same as when I have the flu jab never get a side effect from that either. Individual, tiny risk. Community, enormous benefit. Like any other vaccine. I wish that you would consider that you may be wrong in some circumstances. People are genuinely worried about the vaccine but you will not bend on it? It all upsets me I think everyone has to make their own choice based on the facts, and not malicious fake news stories which fuel people's worries. Of course, most if not all drugs carry a risk. It's always best talking to a GP about any concerns. " I don't know about your GP but our GP has messages all over their website to say they don't have time to talk to people about the jab or Covid and to get your information from websites, which means speaking to someone is near impossible | |||
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"Well I had both jabs of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and had no side effects at all from either of them. Just the same as when I have the flu jab never get a side effect from that either. Individual, tiny risk. Community, enormous benefit. Like any other vaccine. I wish that you would consider that you may be wrong in some circumstances. People are genuinely worried about the vaccine but you will not bend on it? It all upsets me I think everyone has to make their own choice based on the facts, and not malicious fake news stories which fuel people's worries. Of course, most if not all drugs carry a risk. It's always best talking to a GP about any concerns. I don't know about your GP but our GP has messages all over their website to say they don't have time to talk to people about the jab or Covid and to get your information from websites, which means speaking to someone is near impossible " Exactly the same as mine. If I were to try and talk to them about it, they would not allow me and would redirect me. I would have to make up a different ailment to get through the door. And even if I did... Does anyone seriously believe a gp is going to say anything other than... Its a numbers game.. Its very low risk.. You have to lead them to the answer you want... And if you're a layman... Well we don't really have the knowledge or experience | |||
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"I know I posted this in another thread but I think it is important for the whole pro/anti argument to have some balance so... Pandemtrix This is from the BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL pro-vaxxers can’t understand why anti-vaxxers are, well anti, and vaccine hesitant want to wait a bit, perhaps this will go some of the way (and is NOT an easily dismissed tin foil conspiracy theory! “Eight years after the pandemic influenza outbreak, a lawsuit alleging that GlaxoSmithKline’s Pandemrix vaccine caused narcolepsy has unearthed internal reports suggesting problems with the vaccine’s safety. Peter Doshi asks what this means for the future of transparency during public health emergencies. In October 2009, the US National Institutes of Health infectious diseases chief, Anthony Fauci, appeared on YouTube to reassure Americans about the safety of the “swine flu” vaccine. “The track record for serious adverse events is very good. It’s very, very, very rare that you ever see anything that’s associated with the vaccine that’s a serious event,”1 he said. Four months earlier, the World Health Organization had declared H1N1 influenza a pandemic, and by October 2009 the new vaccines were being rolled out across the world. A similar story was playing out in the UK, with prominent organisations, including the Department of Health, British Medical Association, and Royal Colleges of General Practitioners, working hard to convince a reluctant NHS workforce to get vaccinated. “We fully support the swine flu vaccination programme … The vaccine has been thoroughly tested,” they declared in a joint statement. Except, it hadn’t. Anticipating a severe influenza pandemic, governments around the world had made various logistical and legal arrangements to shorten the time between recognition of a pandemic virus and the production of a vaccine and administration of that vaccine in the population. In Europe, one element of those plans was an agreement to grant licences to pandemic vaccines based on data from pre-pandemic “mock-up” vaccines produced using a different virus (H5N1 influenza). Another element, adopted by countries such as Canada, the US, UK, France, and Germany, was to provide vaccine manufacturers indemnity from liability for wrongdoing, thereby reducing the risk of a lawsuit stemming from vaccine related injury.” Sound familiar? Similar patterns? I am not saying this is happening again but just putting out something that shows why questioning what we put into our bodies is totally valid." It's an opinion piece (!!) that the EMA, the MHRA and others objected to as using scientifically inappropriate methodology. Asking questions isn't a problem - I've asked plenty. It's a risk/benefit analysis, and it's about finding reliable rigorous sources. And actually listening to them. (I've actually looked into a lot of the anti stuff too - it might look like I won't consider it, but it's because I've looked at it before and found it wanting. And no, I'm not a scientist, but I'm making my judgement and appraisal with the skills that I have) | |||
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