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By *ools and the brain OP   Couple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I realise that all the anti covid anti vaxxers will pile in with their opinions.

However I am not trying to start a discussion about the legitimacy of the Tests or the virus I want to ask the question.

People who are already or planning to meet who are cautious about meeting would you be put off by someone asking for a negative test before playing?

And would you also ask for theirs?

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford

We would not mind at all, and probably.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I haven't decided how I'll do this. I'm not meeting until I've mounted a full immune response in any case.

So far I've not got any LFTs because I am pretty low risk at present and don't want to waste resources.

That will change after I'm fully vaccinated and immune response mounted - because it'd be nice to have a life back.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this "

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never thought about it but it is a grate idea

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

This is a thought I have had aswell and would have no problem with providing a test prior to a meet, the tests are free from any pharmacy and take 30 minutes to do, it's no different to wanting a play partner to have evidence of being free from STI's which again I would happily provide. It's just another precaution that should be taken to protect yourself and others if you have multiple partners. Anyone unwilling to provide either is selfish and a risk in my opinion.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting. "

It would ruin the moment. Especially in clubs where people have sex with multiple people

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By *inkyfun2013Couple
over a year ago

lewisham

It's a simple, pain-free test that takes 30 seconds. We test twice a week at work and again if we visit relatives.

Once we're back to meeting we would certainly test before a meet and expect anyone we met to do the same. What's the biggie and would it really be an issue?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

We probably wouldn't ask, no problem with people asking us though.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting.

It would ruin the moment. Especially in clubs where people have sex with multiple people "

There is nothing to stop clubs asking for a test to be done on the day of attendance and produced on arrival for entry to the club that way you know everyone there has tested negative and the same for solo meets just test an hour or so before meeting.

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting.

It would ruin the moment. Especially in clubs where people have sex with multiple people "

Erm... I think you're missing the point. You only need to test once on the day, you get result after 30min. Then you are either good to go or not.

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield

We both have to be tested twice a week for work, so no problem for us to provide this

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I realise that all the anti covid anti vaxxers will pile in with their opinions.

However I am not trying to start a discussion about the legitimacy of the Tests or the virus I want to ask the question.

People who are already or planning to meet who are cautious about meeting would you be put off by someone asking for a negative test before playing?

And would you also ask for theirs?"

Sure, I intend to ask for lft testing, it's a no brainer IMO.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting.

It would ruin the moment. Especially in clubs where people have sex with multiple people

There is nothing to stop clubs asking for a test to be done on the day of attendance and produced on arrival for entry to the club that way you know everyone there has tested negative and the same for solo meets just test an hour or so before meeting."

This, I think it may well be a prerequisite for entering a club given the nature of contact..

Can see local authorities requiring something..

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting.

It would ruin the moment. Especially in clubs where people have sex with multiple people

Erm... I think you're missing the point. You only need to test once on the day, you get result after 30min. Then you are either good to go or not. "

You might test but the multiple partners might not

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend


" This, I think it may well be a prerequisite for entering a club given the nature of contact..

Can see local authorities requiring something.."

I can see this aswell maybe even for other entertainment venues where social distancing could be an issue it just makes so much sense really and is such an easy way to increase public safety

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting.

It would ruin the moment. Especially in clubs where people have sex with multiple people

Erm... I think you're missing the point. You only need to test once on the day, you get result after 30min. Then you are either good to go or not.

You might test but the multiple partners might not "

That's true. However, it is possible that clubs are going to require negative test result before letting anyone in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


" This, I think it may well be a prerequisite for entering a club given the nature of contact..

Can see local authorities requiring something..

I can see this aswell maybe even for other entertainment venues where social distancing could be an issue it just makes so much sense really and is such an easy way to increase public safety"

Seems to have been the case thus far with some of the test events..

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

This would seem the most sensible thing to do and is going to be part of getting back to living again I should think.. Clubs particularly have to bring in some way of showing people who attend are going to be safe.. Suits the not vaccinated people this way too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That’s like saying look I’ve had both jabs , come on ladies suck me off to get a free booster lol

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend


"Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab."

The problem is people need to understand the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or transmitting it, it just means you shouldn't end up hospitalised with a server symptoms

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"This would seem the most sensible thing to do and is going to be part of getting back to living again I should think.. Clubs particularly have to bring in some way of showing people who attend are going to be safe.. Suits the not vaccinated people this way too "

I think testing and/or proof of vaccination will be the way we restart the economy.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab.

The problem is people need to understand the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or transmitting it, it just means you shouldn't end up hospitalised with a server symptoms"

The evidence on this is changing - it looks like it works just like most vaccines. Which also may cause asymptomatic infections, but we don't worry about things like measles.

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By * F 2018Couple
over a year ago

shropshire


"I realise that all the anti covid anti vaxxers will pile in with their opinions.

However I am not trying to start a discussion about the legitimacy of the Tests or the virus I want to ask the question.

People who are already or planning to meet who are cautious about meeting would you be put off by someone asking for a negative test before playing?

And would you also ask for theirs?"

Good idea, and happy to do a test.simple enough

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Not going to happen now

One month tomorrow all restrictions end, no masks, prob one meter distancing too

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Not going to happen now

One month tomorrow all restrictions end, no masks, prob one meter distancing too "

Data not dates?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This would seem the most sensible thing to do and is going to be part of getting back to living again I should think.. Clubs particularly have to bring in some way of showing people who attend are going to be safe.. Suits the not vaccinated people this way too

I think testing and/or proof of vaccination will be the way we restart the economy."

Haha haha pudding myself

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend


"Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab.

The problem is people need to understand the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or transmitting it, it just means you shouldn't end up hospitalised with a server symptoms

The evidence on this is changing - it looks like it works just like most vaccines. Which also may cause asymptomatic infections, but we don't worry about things like measles."

Interesting, I thought that since it doesn't use any part of the virus the vaccine itself couldn't cause any infection will have to have a read up on the current research, I am considering seeing what antibody studies are looking for participants as I am now fully vaccinated

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab.

The problem is people need to understand the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or transmitting it, it just means you shouldn't end up hospitalised with a server symptoms

The evidence on this is changing - it looks like it works just like most vaccines. Which also may cause asymptomatic infections, but we don't worry about things like measles.

Interesting, I thought that since it doesn't use any part of the virus the vaccine itself couldn't cause any infection will have to have a read up on the current research, I am considering seeing what antibody studies are looking for participants as I am now fully vaccinated "

No, it's not that the vaccine causes illness. It's that the virus can still get into your system - but your immune system takes care of it much more quickly, making you less or not sick, and unable or unlikely to pass it on.

True sterilising immunity in vaccination is very rare.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Not going to happen now

One month tomorrow all restrictions end, no masks, prob one meter distancing too "

Anything can still change between now and then, plus those who have gone abroad if they brought something back, could prevent further travel.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend


"Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab.

The problem is people need to understand the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or transmitting it, it just means you shouldn't end up hospitalised with a server symptoms

The evidence on this is changing - it looks like it works just like most vaccines. Which also may cause asymptomatic infections, but we don't worry about things like measles.

Interesting, I thought that since it doesn't use any part of the virus the vaccine itself couldn't cause any infection will have to have a read up on the current research, I am considering seeing what antibody studies are looking for participants as I am now fully vaccinated

No, it's not that the vaccine causes illness. It's that the virus can still get into your system - but your immune system takes care of it much more quickly, making you less or not sick, and unable or unlikely to pass it on.

True sterilising immunity in vaccination is very rare."

Ah apologies for the misunderstanding that then is quite good news really as it could lead to an eventual return to something close to a return to the old normal way of life for people once vaccinated

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab.

The problem is people need to understand the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or transmitting it, it just means you shouldn't end up hospitalised with a server symptoms

The evidence on this is changing - it looks like it works just like most vaccines. Which also may cause asymptomatic infections, but we don't worry about things like measles.

Interesting, I thought that since it doesn't use any part of the virus the vaccine itself couldn't cause any infection will have to have a read up on the current research, I am considering seeing what antibody studies are looking for participants as I am now fully vaccinated

No, it's not that the vaccine causes illness. It's that the virus can still get into your system - but your immune system takes care of it much more quickly, making you less or not sick, and unable or unlikely to pass it on.

True sterilising immunity in vaccination is very rare.

Ah apologies for the misunderstanding that then is quite good news really as it could lead to an eventual return to something close to a return to the old normal way of life for people once vaccinated"

Absolutely.

No, you're fine. It's what we've been told - I just go deeper. I've been following virologists for over a year now. (Hobbies, who needs them )

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend


"Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab.

The problem is people need to understand the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or transmitting it, it just means you shouldn't end up hospitalised with a server symptoms

The evidence on this is changing - it looks like it works just like most vaccines. Which also may cause asymptomatic infections, but we don't worry about things like measles.

Interesting, I thought that since it doesn't use any part of the virus the vaccine itself couldn't cause any infection will have to have a read up on the current research, I am considering seeing what antibody studies are looking for participants as I am now fully vaccinated

No, it's not that the vaccine causes illness. It's that the virus can still get into your system - but your immune system takes care of it much more quickly, making you less or not sick, and unable or unlikely to pass it on.

True sterilising immunity in vaccination is very rare.

Ah apologies for the misunderstanding that then is quite good news really as it could lead to an eventual return to something close to a return to the old normal way of life for people once vaccinated

Absolutely.

No, you're fine. It's what we've been told - I just go deeper. I've been following virologists for over a year now. (Hobbies, who needs them )"
I tend to follow things like this as the science side of it really interests me, I have always been a bit of a science geek really and to see what can be accomplished when the world works together to fight something like this is quite amazing really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So no takers for a free booster

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"So no takers for a free booster "

Yup. When I need one.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Seems to make sense to us, we are over 60 that we meet with people that have had the jab.

The problem is people need to understand the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or transmitting it, it just means you shouldn't end up hospitalised with a server symptoms

The evidence on this is changing - it looks like it works just like most vaccines. Which also may cause asymptomatic infections, but we don't worry about things like measles.

Interesting, I thought that since it doesn't use any part of the virus the vaccine itself couldn't cause any infection will have to have a read up on the current research, I am considering seeing what antibody studies are looking for participants as I am now fully vaccinated

No, it's not that the vaccine causes illness. It's that the virus can still get into your system - but your immune system takes care of it much more quickly, making you less or not sick, and unable or unlikely to pass it on.

True sterilising immunity in vaccination is very rare.

Ah apologies for the misunderstanding that then is quite good news really as it could lead to an eventual return to something close to a return to the old normal way of life for people once vaccinated

Absolutely.

No, you're fine. It's what we've been told - I just go deeper. I've been following virologists for over a year now. (Hobbies, who needs them ) I tend to follow things like this as the science side of it really interests me, I have always been a bit of a science geek really and to see what can be accomplished when the world works together to fight something like this is quite amazing really."

Absolutely

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford


"So no takers for a free booster "

The booster if people have it will act the same way.. It doesn't cure the virus it's reduces the effects of it and stops other people getting it from you..

A the information is out there.. All you have to do is read it

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting.

It would ruin the moment. Especially in clubs where people have sex with multiple people "
if expect in a club people will have provided negative tests to gain entry.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"So no takers for a free booster "
happily. Not a problem

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd be happy to take a test and haven't decided yet whether I'll suggest them.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"

There is nothing to stop clubs asking for a test to be done on the day of attendance.. "

Well, there is.

They would go out of business!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

There is nothing to stop clubs asking for a test to be done on the day of attendance..

Well, there is.

They would go out of business!"

I'd be more likely to go to a club that required it.

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By *ed velvet thornWoman
over a year ago

over the rainbow

Are we just using the LFT as according to both our local schools these are only 50%-60% correct so are deemed useless to them

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

I get LFT tests through work and I believe anyone in England can get them from a chemist now. I take two tests per week as it is, which is said to be 70% accurate. I'm also double Pfizered. All of which is info I'm happy to share, including a photo of my vaccine card and of a negative LFT device.

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By *exmanMan
over a year ago

Stainforth

Well it has been a government requirement for people attending live events trial that thay are doing at moment to try and get things more back to normal for all of us also the government is recommending that everyone in the UK takes a rapid flow test twice a week so I guess there’s no real problem , it’s just a shame they don’t do a free rapid test for STDs that gives you results in 30 minutes lol

So to sum up my opinion it’s a good idea

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By *ools and the brain OP   Couple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"

There is nothing to stop clubs asking for a test to be done on the day of attendance..

Well, there is.

They would go out of business!"

Why??

We would be more inclined to visit a club that testing is mandatory before entry over one that doesn't.

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Will wait until no social distancing and no masks

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"

There is nothing to stop clubs asking for a test to be done on the day of attendance..

Well, there is.

They would go out of business!

Why??

We would be more inclined to visit a club that testing is mandatory before entry over one that doesn't.

"

Because the real world is not the same as the idealist world of the Fab forum.

Booked party nights maybe, but always open daytime clubs reliant on spur of the moment casual, even if regular, visitors will suffer.

Infra-red fever checking thermometers at reception would probably be an acceptable compromise.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this "

Agreed x

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By *exmanMan
over a year ago

Stainforth

It will be interesting to see with the clubs reopening how strict they will be concerning everybody having to login to track and trace on entry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This should be the standard to be fair. Lat flow tests are free and easy to pick up, you can literally go to a chemist to pick one up.

It takes two minutes (plus 30 mins wait time) and easy to do. There is no excuse really and what harm is it to test even if you are anti COVID, just because you are it doesn’t mean the person or people you are meeting are

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By *exmanMan
over a year ago

Stainforth

Hopefully we’re all nice friendly sociable human beings so here’s for a cuppa or glass of wine whilst we wait for 30 minutes for the test results and have a chat

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"This should be the standard to be fair. Lat flow tests are free and easy to pick up, you can literally go to a chemist to pick one up.

It takes two minutes (plus 30 mins wait time) and easy to do. There is no excuse really and what harm is it to test even if you are anti COVID, just because you are it doesn’t mean the person or people you are meeting are"

I'm not anti covid or jabs I've had my 2! But I wont b testing b 4 meets! And if the people i have agreed to meet are not happy with that then the meet wont go ahead! Simples x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This should be the standard to be fair. Lat flow tests are free and easy to pick up, you can literally go to a chemist to pick one up.

It takes two minutes (plus 30 mins wait time) and easy to do. There is no excuse really and what harm is it to test even if you are anti COVID, just because you are it doesn’t mean the person or people you are meeting are

I'm not anti covid or jabs I've had my 2! But I wont b testing b 4 meets! And if the people i have agreed to meet are not happy with that then the meet wont go ahead! Simples x"

That’s fair enough, it’s your choice and as long as who you are meet is fine with it then there isn’t a problem at all.

Can I ask why though?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"This should be the standard to be fair. Lat flow tests are free and easy to pick up, you can literally go to a chemist to pick one up.

It takes two minutes (plus 30 mins wait time) and easy to do. There is no excuse really and what harm is it to test even if you are anti COVID, just because you are it doesn’t mean the person or people you are meeting are

I'm not anti covid or jabs I've had my 2! But I wont b testing b 4 meets! And if the people i have agreed to meet are not happy with that then the meet wont go ahead! Simples x

That’s fair enough, it’s your choice and as long as who you are meet is fine with it then there isn’t a problem at all.

Can I ask why though?"

Just wont! Tbh I'm not into meeting randoms anyway! Ideally just one fwb is what I have had b 4 covid! Have been chating with someone from here a long while now we are planning to meet when able! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This should be the standard to be fair. Lat flow tests are free and easy to pick up, you can literally go to a chemist to pick one up.

It takes two minutes (plus 30 mins wait time) and easy to do. There is no excuse really and what harm is it to test even if you are anti COVID, just because you are it doesn’t mean the person or people you are meeting are

I'm not anti covid or jabs I've had my 2! But I wont b testing b 4 meets! And if the people i have agreed to meet are not happy with that then the meet wont go ahead! Simples x

That’s fair enough, it’s your choice and as long as who you are meet is fine with it then there isn’t a problem at all.

Can I ask why though?

Just wont! Tbh I'm not into meeting randoms anyway! Ideally just one fwb is what I have had b 4 covid! Have been chating with someone from here a long while now we are planning to meet when able! X"

Doesn’t make much sense but it’s your choice and like I said long as whoever you meeting is sound with it then who gives a fuck.

However round my way in Bolton, we are battling a new variant whilst balancing this new freedom, who the fuck would want to spoilt that I’ll never know, well actually think we do know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do LFTs twice a week for work so i would be happy to do it however i was in hospital on monday and i was told that the LFTs are only 40% reliable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This should be the standard to be fair. Lat flow tests are free and easy to pick up, you can literally go to a chemist to pick one up.

It takes two minutes (plus 30 mins wait time) and easy to do. There is no excuse really and what harm is it to test even if you are anti COVID, just because you are it doesn’t mean the person or people you are meeting are

I'm not anti covid or jabs I've had my 2! But I wont b testing b 4 meets! And if the people i have agreed to meet are not happy with that then the meet wont go ahead! Simples x"

Do you get STI tested?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This should be the standard to be fair. Lat flow tests are free and easy to pick up, you can literally go to a chemist to pick one up.

It takes two minutes (plus 30 mins wait time) and easy to do. There is no excuse really and what harm is it to test even if you are anti COVID, just because you are it doesn’t mean the person or people you are meeting are

I'm not anti covid or jabs I've had my 2! But I wont b testing b 4 meets! And if the people i have agreed to meet are not happy with that then the meet wont go ahead! Simples x

That’s fair enough, it’s your choice and as long as who you are meet is fine with it then there isn’t a problem at all.

Can I ask why though?

Just wont! Tbh I'm not into meeting randoms anyway! Ideally just one fwb is what I have had b 4 covid! Have been chating with someone from here a long while now we are planning to meet when able! X

Doesn’t make much sense but it’s your choice and like I said long as whoever you meeting is sound with it then who gives a fuck.

However round my way in Bolton, we are battling a new variant whilst balancing this new freedom, who the fuck would want to spoilt that I’ll never know, well actually think we do know"

Swingers.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

The fear and paranoia has worked so well that people are now happy to be tested ad nauseum before engaging in any daily activity, be it public or private. Madness...

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By *ikerdude2017Man
over a year ago

Rotherham

I have started adding covid vacinated and reg testing to messages.

So is this the way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The fear and paranoia has worked so well that people are now happy to be tested ad nauseum before engaging in any daily activity, be it public or private. Madness..."

Just spread it around like STI's.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this "
This

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I do LFTs twice a week for work so i would be happy to do it however i was in hospital on monday and i was told that the LFTs are only 40% reliable."

It's sort of, they're better than nothing and they'll pick up most of the problem. Vaccination is the answer, ultimately, but both will get this thing dealt with.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"The fear and paranoia has worked so well that people are now happy to be tested ad nauseum before engaging in any daily activity, be it public or private. Madness..."

Yup! Just about

Right there!! Ludicrous! X

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"This should be the standard to be fair. Lat flow tests are free and easy to pick up, you can literally go to a chemist to pick one up.

It takes two minutes (plus 30 mins wait time) and easy to do. There is no excuse really and what harm is it to test even if you are anti COVID, just because you are it doesn’t mean the person or people you are meeting are

I'm not anti covid or jabs I've had my 2! But I wont b testing b 4 meets! And if the people i have agreed to meet are not happy with that then the meet wont go ahead! Simples x

Do you get STI tested?"

None of your business! X

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton


"I do LFTs twice a week for work so i would be happy to do it however i was in hospital on monday and i was told that the LFTs are only 40% reliable."

It's more complicated than a single figure.

The LFT devices are more reliable when used according to the instructions, which apparently many people are incapable of doing despite it being simple. You are more likely to get false negatives when used correctly as they need a fairly high viral load. But if contaminants (one is kiwi fruit) are present you may get a false positive.

When used correctly twice a week they are 71% accurate.

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By *ools and the brain OP   Couple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Wow it didn't take long for the anti brigade to hijack another thread with their agenda.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

You should be kind. Many threads are taken over by pro vaccine people. Please don’t point fingers as the world is bad enough as it is

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I realise that all the anti covid anti vaxxers will pile in with their opinions.

However I am not trying to start a discussion about the legitimacy of the Tests or the virus I want to ask the question.

People who are already or planning to meet who are cautious about meeting would you be put off by someone asking for a negative test before playing?

And would you also ask for theirs?"

I would be happy to show them my proof of vaccination.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"You should be kind. Many threads are taken over by pro vaccine people. Please don’t point fingers as the world is bad enough as it is "
Yes. I have also noticed that too.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"You should be kind. Many threads are taken over by pro vaccine people. Please don’t point fingers as the world is bad enough as it is Yes. I have also noticed that too."

x

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test. "

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm becoming increasingly of the view that LFTs will become superfluous among the vaccinated.

I certainly won't accept an LFT in lieu of vaccination.

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By *wistedTooCouple
over a year ago

Frimley


"I honestly do not believe anyone would do this

Why not? It's a responsible thing to do, especially if, like Devil, you work with vulnerable adults. We'd both be more than happy to go through this very temporary discomfort of getting tested (even though we get tested regularly anyway) if it was to protect ourselves and whoever we are meeting.

It would ruin the moment. Especially in clubs where people have sex with multiple people "

Yep. The moment. Clearly the most important thing… lol. No, it would not. It is no more ruining the moment than asking if you have protection in your pocket….

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford


"You should be kind. Many threads are taken over by pro vaccine people. Please don’t point fingers as the world is bad enough as it is "

No sorry people are polite but F course . You have the right to decide what you want to do but no one has the right to do so without people objecting to your decision, to question it or to feel concerned about it.. And to comment negatively about it .. And that's on both sides..

This isn't an 'everyone wins' primary school race..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I realise that all the anti covid anti vaxxers will pile in with their opinions.

However I am not trying to start a discussion about the legitimacy of the Tests or the virus I want to ask the question.

People who are already or planning to meet who are cautious about meeting would you be put off by someone asking for a negative test before playing?

And would you also ask for theirs?"

I also would ask . In fact if me and my partner meet we will issue a test and wait 30 mins for result. Negative come in. Positive bye bye. But no plans as yet

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree? "

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting. "

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

Ultimately, all behaviour carries some risk - what we do now is risk management to suit our situation and circumstances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

Ultimately, all behaviour carries some risk - what we do now is risk management to suit our situation and circumstances. "

Why would someone else being vaccinated make a difference? They can still catch it and pass it on.

Surely the only thing that matters is your own vaccination status?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

"

The exact opposite is true though - if vaccination reduces disease and symptoms whilst still allowing infection and transmission, then testing would still be a more reliable method of avoiding the infected.

Some leading vaccine developers and immunologists believe that this vaccine escape is actually driving the development of new variants too. Testing to avoid asymptomatic transmission is definitely the more altruistic approach therefore too.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

The exact opposite is true though - if vaccination reduces disease and symptoms whilst still allowing infection and transmission, then testing would still be a more reliable method of avoiding the infected.

Some leading vaccine developers and immunologists believe that this vaccine escape is actually driving the development of new variants too. Testing to avoid asymptomatic transmission is definitely the more altruistic approach therefore too."

Do you have a source for this, please? I am really curious especially how this is driving new variants. If this is true, then the only answer would really be to lock down again, completely?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

Ultimately, all behaviour carries some risk - what we do now is risk management to suit our situation and circumstances.

Why would someone else being vaccinated make a difference? They can still catch it and pass it on.

Surely the only thing that matters is your own vaccination status? "

The vaccine is not, and it has never been claimed to be 100% effective in not being infected, not becoming ill. The aim was just like with the annual flu vaccines, to reduce the number of people becoming infected, and in case of infection, to reduce the seriousness of the illness, especially in those vulnerable people with underlying health conditions.

So the argument is that two people who are vaccinated are less like to pass on, and if they infect another person the infection will likely not be as serious or lead to hospitalisation.

If this is proven wrong then we need to start again from scratch I think?

At the more personal level, I just feel a bit safer meeting a vaccinated person and I feel a bit better knowing I am less likely to pass anything on.

Does that make sense?

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By *dd_soxMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

I've had both jabs. I would still do a home lateral flow test on the day before leaving for a meet. It's not foolproof but I'm being as sensible as I can.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I've had both jabs. I would still do a home lateral flow test on the day before leaving for a meet. It's not foolproof but I'm being as sensible as I can."

Absolutely.

I'll accept and do tests as well as vaccination, but I'm not meeting anyone unvaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

Ultimately, all behaviour carries some risk - what we do now is risk management to suit our situation and circumstances.

Why would someone else being vaccinated make a difference? They can still catch it and pass it on.

Surely the only thing that matters is your own vaccination status?

The vaccine is not, and it has never been claimed to be 100% effective in not being infected, not becoming ill. The aim was just like with the annual flu vaccines, to reduce the number of people becoming infected, and in case of infection, to reduce the seriousness of the illness, especially in those vulnerable people with underlying health conditions.

So the argument is that two people who are vaccinated are less like to pass on, and if they infect another person the infection will likely not be as serious or lead to hospitalisation.

If this is proven wrong then we need to start again from scratch I think?

At the more personal level, I just feel a bit safer meeting a vaccinated person and I feel a bit better knowing I am less likely to pass anything on.

Does that make sense? "

Yes that makes sense.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

Which clubs have stated they will require lft prior to entry?

I'm planning on attending and have requested a space (where applicable) for a few events between end of June and August. No one has mentioned anything about lft or vaccination status.

My own event only has a handful of places left and not one person has asked if they need to do a lft prior or show vaccination status. The venue isn't asking for it.

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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago

middle earth

We will be testing before meets, we have been testing before seeing pals, so it makes sense to us

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

For the people saying they won’t meet

Unvaccinated people that will rule you out of club meets and social meets because proof of vaccine will not be made a requirement I’m sure

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

The likelihood of catching covid is far far less than that of catching an STI. So proof of a clear test of the latter would be more important

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"For the people saying they won’t meet

Unvaccinated people that will rule you out of club meets and social meets because proof of vaccine will not be made a requirement I’m sure "

Maybe not. But anybody that I'm going to get within touching distance of in a club, I'll be holding a conversation with about their attitude to vaccination and covid safety. And I suspect a lot more people will be also. Given how proudly some people are proclaiming their attitude within this forum, I would expect that they will be equally willing to be truthful when asked in a club. Or you are going to suggest that those who don't believe in vaccination also would be lacking in integrity?

I wonder how a direct lie about vaccination status will stand in law, would this be enough to nullify informed consent to sexual contact? If a man straight out lied, saying he was vaccinated when he was not, would his consenting partner be able to later bring a r@pe charge, on the grounds of the consent not being informed? I rather expect that most juries would have very little sympathy for any defendant charged in this way. And so easy to prove whether someone has actually lied about being vaccinated, given that it would be on health records that the courts could check...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"The likelihood of catching covid is far far less than that of catching an STI. So proof of a clear test of the latter would be more important "

The question is about Covid, though.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester


"For the people saying they won’t meet

Unvaccinated people that will rule you out of club meets and social meets because proof of vaccine will not be made a requirement I’m sure

Maybe not. But anybody that I'm going to get within touching distance of in a club, I'll be holding a conversation with about their attitude to vaccination and covid safety. And I suspect a lot more people will be also. Given how proudly some people are proclaiming their attitude within this forum, I would expect that they will be equally willing to be truthful when asked in a club. Or you are going to suggest that those who don't believe in vaccination also would be lacking in integrity?

I wonder how a direct lie about vaccination status will stand in law, would this be enough to nullify informed consent to sexual contact? If a man straight out lied, saying he was vaccinated when he was not, would his consenting partner be able to later bring a r@pe charge, on the grounds of the consent not being informed? I rather expect that most juries would have very little sympathy for any defendant charged in this way. And so easy to prove whether someone has actually lied about being vaccinated, given that it would be on health records that the courts could check..."

I think many people would lie just to get their way yes and it will never become a legal matter. That is what I think anyway

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By *ittyandtheboyCouple
over a year ago

Back of the bins.


"I realise that all the anti covid anti vaxxers will pile in with their opinions.

However I am not trying to start a discussion about the legitimacy of the Tests or the virus I want to ask the question.

People who are already or planning to meet who are cautious about meeting would you be put off by someone asking for a negative test before playing?

And would you also ask for theirs?"

Wouldn’t mind, I get tested for work regularly, so does Kitty. We wouldn’t ask for theirs though.

We’re not meeting any new people till limits on social distancing are removed. So I don’t think it’ll matter then, as people will be in close contact elsewhere in life.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Better than nothing but it seems people have been lulled into false sense if security around these tests.

This from the BMJ...

“Mass testing may be helpful and necessary in certain circumstances if delivered to high quality, they explain, but the Innova lateral flow test is not fit for this purpose.

For example, in the Liverpool pilot study, 60% of infected symptomless people went undetected, including 33% of those with high viral loads who are at highest risk of infecting others. And among students in Birmingham, only 3% of those who would have tested positive on the “gold standard” PCR test were detected.

Yet the government continues to claim that the Innova test detects 77%, they write, and has championed the use of negative tests to enable visiting relatives in care homes, returning to work or staying in school, despite known exposure to an infectious case.”

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"For the people saying they won’t meet

Unvaccinated people that will rule you out of club meets and social meets because proof of vaccine will not be made a requirement I’m sure

Maybe not. But anybody that I'm going to get within touching distance of in a club, I'll be holding a conversation with about their attitude to vaccination and covid safety. And I suspect a lot more people will be also. Given how proudly some people are proclaiming their attitude within this forum, I would expect that they will be equally willing to be truthful when asked in a club. Or you are going to suggest that those who don't believe in vaccination also would be lacking in integrity?

I wonder how a direct lie about vaccination status will stand in law, would this be enough to nullify informed consent to sexual contact? If a man straight out lied, saying he was vaccinated when he was not, would his consenting partner be able to later bring a r@pe charge, on the grounds of the consent not being informed? I rather expect that most juries would have very little sympathy for any defendant charged in this way. And so easy to prove whether someone has actually lied about being vaccinated, given that it would be on health records that the courts could check..."

Not a lawyer so no idea on the legal status you put forward here but my question would be - how do you prove you caught Covid from THAT person and nowhere else? Or is that not the point you were making?

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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago

Sandwich


"I realise that all the anti covid anti vaxxers will pile in with their opinions.

However I am not trying to start a discussion about the legitimacy of the Tests or the virus I want to ask the question.

People who are already or planning to meet who are cautious about meeting would you be put off by someone asking for a negative test before playing?

And would you also ask for theirs?"

I certainly wouldn’t be put off by someone asking me for a test. I have been tested every week, 2 lft’s and a pcr, since June last year.

I have had my vaccinations and am happy to show proof of that also.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Dont think this will be a thing.from the amount of new meet veris going up now and just having a flick through the meet section no one seems to be asking for proof ofanything.apartfrom a few on this forum saying they will be azsking for a neg test or proof of vax most seem to be going back to how it was before covid

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"For the people saying they won’t meet

Unvaccinated people that will rule you out of club meets and social meets because proof of vaccine will not be made a requirement I’m sure

Maybe not. But anybody that I'm going to get within touching distance of in a club, I'll be holding a conversation with about their attitude to vaccination and covid safety. And I suspect a lot more people will be also. Given how proudly some people are proclaiming their attitude within this forum, I would expect that they will be equally willing to be truthful when asked in a club. Or you are going to suggest that those who don't believe in vaccination also would be lacking in integrity?

I wonder how a direct lie about vaccination status will stand in law, would this be enough to nullify informed consent to sexual contact? If a man straight out lied, saying he was vaccinated when he was not, would his consenting partner be able to later bring a r@pe charge, on the grounds of the consent not being informed? I rather expect that most juries would have very little sympathy for any defendant charged in this way. And so easy to prove whether someone has actually lied about being vaccinated, given that it would be on health records that the courts could check...

Not a lawyer so no idea on the legal status you put forward here but my question would be - how do you prove you caught Covid from THAT person and nowhere else? Or is that not the point you were making?"

On the scientific basis - it is possible to prove. Whether it'd happen is another matter.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"For the people saying they won’t meet

Unvaccinated people that will rule you out of club meets and social meets because proof of vaccine will not be made a requirement I’m sure

Maybe not. But anybody that I'm going to get within touching distance of in a club, I'll be holding a conversation with about their attitude to vaccination and covid safety. And I suspect a lot more people will be also. Given how proudly some people are proclaiming their attitude within this forum, I would expect that they will be equally willing to be truthful when asked in a club. Or you are going to suggest that those who don't believe in vaccination also would be lacking in integrity?

I wonder how a direct lie about vaccination status will stand in law, would this be enough to nullify informed consent to sexual contact? If a man straight out lied, saying he was vaccinated when he was not, would his consenting partner be able to later bring a r@pe charge, on the grounds of the consent not being informed? I rather expect that most juries would have very little sympathy for any defendant charged in this way. And so easy to prove whether someone has actually lied about being vaccinated, given that it would be on health records that the courts could check...

Not a lawyer so no idea on the legal status you put forward here but my question would be - how do you prove you caught Covid from THAT person and nowhere else? Or is that not the point you were making?"

It's not a question of whether you got covid from them, or even whether you catch covid at all. It's a question of informed consent, and at what point somebody knowingly and deliberately lying about a medical status nullifies that consent.

I believe that there is some case law around HIV status, such that if a knowingly HIV positive person lies about this to a person they are having sex with, informed consent does not apply - as vital information was lied about - even if there is no transfer of the infection.

But what you are suggesting is that yes, people who refuse the vaccination that is freely offered to them, will in many cases be dishonest enough to then lie about this important medical matter.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Understood.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

The exact opposite is true though - if vaccination reduces disease and symptoms whilst still allowing infection and transmission, then testing would still be a more reliable method of avoiding the infected.

Some leading vaccine developers and immunologists believe that this vaccine escape is actually driving the development of new variants too. Testing to avoid asymptomatic transmission is definitely the more altruistic approach therefore too.

Do you have a source for this, please? I am really curious especially how this is driving new variants. If this is true, then the only answer would really be to lock down again, completely? "

Not necessarily, countries who have done that have not all fared better, some far worse than most.

Some say that a vaccination that allows infection and transmission will never result in herd immunity - only natural immunity can do that.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

I’m fully vaccinated and not around anyone in the more vulnerable categories so I feel comfortable meeting someone who’s been equally careful.

I don’t see the point in testing prior, they could get it on route and I think gives a false sense of security.

I’d definitely feel more comfortable meeting vaccinated men and men that don’t have close contact with vulnerable people- but appreciate for fab purposes I probably wouldn’t know that detail x

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I’m fully vaccinated and not around anyone in the more vulnerable categories so I feel comfortable meeting someone who’s been equally careful.

I don’t see the point in testing prior, they could get it on route and I think gives a false sense of security.

"

So could vaccinated people, who may even be less likely to be ill and cancel the meet - the vaccine is giving people a false sense of security IMO.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

The exact opposite is true though - if vaccination reduces disease and symptoms whilst still allowing infection and transmission, then testing would still be a more reliable method of avoiding the infected.

Some leading vaccine developers and immunologists believe that this vaccine escape is actually driving the development of new variants too. Testing to avoid asymptomatic transmission is definitely the more altruistic approach therefore too.

Do you have a source for this, please? I am really curious especially how this is driving new variants. If this is true, then the only answer would really be to lock down again, completely?

Not necessarily, countries who have done that have not all fared better, some far worse than most.

Some say that a vaccination that allows infection and transmission will never result in herd immunity - only natural immunity can do that."

That sounds to me like achieving herd immunity by following the survival of the fittest principle. If so, this seems an unethical way to get through the pandemic. Also, irrespective of the total number of deaths, we would not be able to accommodate all the sick in our NHS hospitals.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"As vaccinated people can still become infected and transmit, I would want to see a negative lft test.

And the test can give false positives/ negatives and are only really proof of that moment in time when the test was taken - since taking a test, getting the result the user could have been infected several times over.

My understanding/line of thinking is that if two people have had both jabs then the worst they can do to each other, is become ill but not likely to be life threatening or requiring hospitalisation.

Would you agree?

No, double jabbers have still been hospitalised and died. I'd deffo like an lft before meeting.

A LFT is not 100% reliable - nothing is! But, and I quote the Guardian on 30th April 21 ...

"A small number of people vaccinated against Covid have been admitted to hospital with the disease and died, researchers have found, but most were frail and elderly and caught the virus before the jab could take effect"

While it would be nice to have a quick test prior to a meet to have certainty, to me proof of jabs still sounds like the safest option!

The exact opposite is true though - if vaccination reduces disease and symptoms whilst still allowing infection and transmission, then testing would still be a more reliable method of avoiding the infected.

Some leading vaccine developers and immunologists believe that this vaccine escape is actually driving the development of new variants too. Testing to avoid asymptomatic transmission is definitely the more altruistic approach therefore too.

Do you have a source for this, please? I am really curious especially how this is driving new variants. If this is true, then the only answer would really be to lock down again, completely?

Not necessarily, countries who have done that have not all fared better, some far worse than most.

Some say that a vaccination that allows infection and transmission will never result in herd immunity - only natural immunity can do that.

That sounds to me like achieving herd immunity by following the survival of the fittest principle. If so, this seems an unethical way to get through the pandemic. Also, irrespective of the total number of deaths, we would not be able to accommodate all the sick in our NHS hospitals. "

Maybe, maybe not. And yet it is perfectly logical that if herd immunity consists of a barrier to infection, whereby the virus runs out of people to infect - if that does not occur (because vaccinated subjects can both become infected and transmit) then herd immunity may never be reached.

Time will tell, the data is not in yet.

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By *lamourpussyCouple
over a year ago

Warwick

It takes a couple of minutes to do a test. Even if you have been fully vaccinated why wouldn’t anyone do a test before meeting? If we all want to be as safe as possible surely it’s common sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do twice weekly tests for work good idea. The only problem with LFT is in my place there's been 3 occasions where they've thrown up a false positive result.

Admittedly its better than nothing but its made me sceptical of the accuracy of these tests. I'm going to wait a little longer before I feel safe for myself and my family. Thinking end of July x

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I can understand why some people would but not for me.if I thought swinging was life threatening I’d just quit

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend


"I do twice weekly tests for work good idea. The only problem with LFT is in my place there's been 3 occasions where they've thrown up a false positive result.

Admittedly its better than nothing but its made me sceptical of the accuracy of these tests. I'm going to wait a little longer before I feel safe for myself and my family. Thinking end of July x"

At least it's been false positives rather than negatives, I get where you are coming from and don't blame you for waiting as with things the way they are still I think there is still a fair amount of risk but atleast things are heading in the right direction at the moment (for the most part atleast)

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"It takes a couple of minutes to do a test. Even if you have been fully vaccinated why wouldn’t anyone do a test before meeting? If we all want to be as safe as possible surely it’s common sense. "
this to be fair. I would be testing myself before I go to a club. Same as I have done before going to vanilla events

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I realise that all the anti covid anti vaxxers will pile in with their opinions.

However I am not trying to start a discussion about the legitimacy of the Tests or the virus I want to ask the question.

People who are already or planning to meet who are cautious about meeting would you be put off by someone asking for a negative test before playing?

And would you also ask for theirs?"

I think the best test is to look at the profiles posting history, no?

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By *etwifeandhim69Couple
over a year ago

Darlington

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By *etwifeandhim69Couple
over a year ago

Darlington

We've done a social meet with old friends and that's it so far. We're all being cautious and we know them well enough to know they've being living as isolated as we have.

Of course, that does not mean you wont get it. Could pop down the shops or be at work and catch it for anyone knows.

So, when we do get back to play then no, we wont be offended by being asked. I don't have to test (and work from home anyway) but my wife does twice weekly with her job so it's not like we don't have the capability.

As for asking, maybe. Not a thought we've had yet. Heck, we're quite nervous about playing with people we've played with multiple times before since it's been so long. Too much for the old grey matter to process.

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By *heekyFlirtyCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Stockport

We do the lateral flow tests twice a week anyway and by this week will have both jabs. Sometimes you just have to trust people are telling the truth and make judgements on your gut feelings. Moving forward people just need to be sensible.

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