FabSwingers.com forum: Jab or no jab

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine

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By *nergeticlemurMan
over a year ago

wiltshire

I haven't but only because I haven't been offered it yet

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I've had both. Mr KC had his first this afternoon.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

We've had both

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Had both xx

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

Had first and 2nd is due soon.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

I had both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had first and 2nd is due soon."

Had both.. no effects at all

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Both had both jabs. AZ. Minimal side effects.

Extended family member had jab (unknown which one, as not in regular contact*) but have heard he is in hospital with GBS.

* (Haven't met him, only found out he existed a week ago. Very extended family we did not know existed - They have been around 70 years apparently ! It's a complicated story, because they didn't know we existed either!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Turned it down.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Yes I've had both of mine, as had my daughter... my older kids have all had their first... my youngest has applied to be part of the testing for under 18s.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I've had both, with minimal issues.

Great news today that a month after 2nd doses, antibody levels for Oxford and Pfizer are very strong in just about everyone tested

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I've had both of mine, minimal side effects, mostly just tired for a few days.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Had both mine! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having my 2nd this morning

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

We've had our first, next month for the second

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Had my first (clinical trial, don't know what I got). Second in two weeks.

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By *rgasmickMan
over a year ago

Visting

Turned mine down for now.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Had both, slight tenderness in the injection area after the first nothing after the second with both of us..

About 28 close family with siblings and off springs have had theirs, the majority both and just one reaction which lasted for 48 hrs of feeling flu like and shivery..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't I'm to young atm

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

Had both of mine now minimal side effects each time just a little tired so less than I get from the flu jab to be honest

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

I trialled one last year so have both of mine. Only side effects was pins and needles on certain parts of my body.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I trialled one last year so have both of mine. Only side effects was pins and needles on certain parts of my body. "

Thank you

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

One of us has had both AZ and the other 1 Pfizer - no side effects beyond mild sore arm.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Had one so far.

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

"I trialled one last year so have both of mine. Only side effects was pins and needles on certain parts of my body.

Thank you"

For?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been offered it 4 times , the last call I got from my doctors I asked why they keep ringing offering it to me , when I’ve said from day one I don’t want it . She couldn’t answer me , it’s getting nearly as bad as cold fucking callers

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By *xfordshireCoupleMFCouple
over a year ago

Nr. Oxford

Mr had his first last week. I’m patiently waiting for my age range

Lily

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

"Been offered it 4 times , the last call I got from my doctors I asked why they keep ringing offering it to me , when I’ve said from day one I don’t want it . She couldn’t answer me , it’s getting nearly as bad as cold fucking callers "

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had both mine and I couldn't wait to get them

Simple

Pain free

No hassle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had both my Pfizer jabs.

Other than a sore arm no side affects.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Don’t need it , simple as that. my wife works iat sainsburys my daughter is a teacher she’s still at home, we have all worked through this , not one of us have been ill , which I find weird with a so called pandemic , don’t know any one who’s been ill or died from it , just think it’s been blown out of all proportion, I agree that there are people who have died, just think the numbers aren’t true .

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By *orny andy yorkMan
over a year ago

york

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

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although I’ve had mine I agree with what your say pal and I’ve only had because of another health issue and your right the deaths are counted as died of any cause

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had my 2nd today

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Fair comment. I actually think there is something not right about this who pandemic. Especially it’s origins.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Because surgeries are asked to give ample opportunity for everyone eligible to receive the vaccine, that is why.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because surgeries are asked to give ample opportunity for everyone eligible to receive the vaccine, that is why."

Why not think hang on he doesn’t want it we’ve asked 4 times cross him of the list

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been offered it...but declined.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

for those that have turned it down, why, there doesnt seem to me to be a down side?

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine "

Why is mine or anyone else’s medical status for that matter a public matter? Nobody knows whether I have or haven’t and it will forever remain that way

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By *priteyMan
over a year ago

Hitchin

Had my second jab last week ,the first one felt rough afterwards ,the second just a sore arm . I wont judge others who dont wish to have the jab at the moment ,entirely their choice.

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By *heExcommMan
over a year ago

Llantrisant

I've had my first jab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine

Why is mine or anyone else’s medical status for that matter a public matter? Nobody knows whether I have or haven’t and it will forever remain that way "

well it is if you are spreading the virus, but anyway i was just interested as to why people havent had it

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Because surgeries are asked to give ample opportunity for everyone eligible to receive the vaccine, that is why.

Why not think hang on he doesn’t want it we’ve asked 4 times cross him of the list "

Because the idea is to encourage as many people as possible, and people do change their minds, perhaps after doing further research etc. Just politely say no, or ignore the messages/emails. It's hardly a huge faff to end a brief phone call or ignore a message if that's your preference.

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

Had both mine early on as I work for the NHS

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

2. It's fine by us if they want to play Russian roulette with their life but they'll not be playing it with ours. The vaccine may or may not prevent us getting sick due to them continuing to spread the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had both, for my job and just because we all should have it... I want to go on holidays and use this site full on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

This I view it the same as practicing safe sex to be honest.

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By *errible_TwoCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Hubby has had his and he was bed bound for a week and said its the worst he's felt ever, our son had his and has had covid and he said he would rather have had covid again instead of the side effects of the jab, both had AZ, I need to book mine but reluctant to have it due to allergies but I'm sick of ppl nagging me and causing arguments as I'm the only one who hasn't had it yet even tho I was only offered it 2 weeks ago

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

Had covid, tested positive for over 3 months.

Had both vaccines, Pfizer.

I was poorly with Covid, general run down. And had a mild reaction to first jab, lasted about 12 hours. Nothing on second jab.

Vaccine any day.

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By *2123Man
over a year ago

Not for me, at least right now anyway. Will keep my mind open and up to date on all the details and facts in the future and if needs be I’ll have it

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By *orny andy yorkMan
over a year ago

york

"Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

This I view it the same as practicing safe sex to be honest. "
you could saying taking the jab is also like playing Russian roulette as the jabs are still classed as experimental and covid has such a high survival rate why if your fit and healthy would you take it

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

This I view it the same as practicing safe sex to be honest. "

My view is if 2 unvaccinated people want to meet up or 1 unvaccinated with someone who has had the jab, then the ones who aren't vaccinated should take a test.

I've been offered it 4 times, turned it down ~ for now.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

This I view it the same as practicing safe sex to be honest. you could saying taking the jab is also like playing Russian roulette as the jabs are still classed as experimental and covid has such a high survival rate why if your fit and healthy would you take it "

Option 1 applies here.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

Because I don't believe the bollocks and I want to protect other people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both pfizer for me done

And about to do 180 astra zeneca vaccines on Saturday to the masses

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

Except the vaccines have been tested and passed all relevant safety checks and death isn't the only negative outcome from covid.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Both pfizer for me done

And about to do 180 astra zeneca vaccines on Saturday to the masses"

Same, but I'm only doing a half day Saturday so more like 60 to 80 jabs to give! Not sure what make we'll be on though...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Both pfizer for me done

And about to do 180 astra zeneca vaccines on Saturday to the masses

Same, but I'm only doing a half day Saturday so more like 60 to 80 jabs to give! Not sure what make we'll be on though..."

Thank you both x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Both pfizer for me done

And about to do 180 astra zeneca vaccines on Saturday to the masses

Same, but I'm only doing a half day Saturday so more like 60 to 80 jabs to give! Not sure what make we'll be on though..."

We only got az.

About 800 2nds to give then I'm done..

Might be getting pimped out to other places.#no day off

Have fun

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By *aughtycp1Couple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Mr N declined AZ vaccine. I (Mrs N) had one. Definitely not having the second.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Both pfizer for me done

And about to do 180 astra zeneca vaccines on Saturday to the masses

Same, but I'm only doing a half day Saturday so more like 60 to 80 jabs to give! Not sure what make we'll be on though...

We only got az.

About 800 2nds to give then I'm done..

Might be getting pimped out to other places.#no day off

Have fun"

Did both Pfizer-BioNTech and AZ last week. The queues kept waxing and waning and so we kept flipping rooms to try and keep it moving. I only do weekends cos I volunteer around my FT job (or the occasional Bank Hol or annual leave day). The time always flies!

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By *hetalltravellerMan
over a year ago

Carmarthen

1 down 1 to go. Just get it done, help protect the people who can't have it for whatever reason.

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By *unCpl1234Couple
over a year ago

Odiham

Covid isn't going away any time soon I reckon. It's not a matter of "if" you're going to get it, it's a matter of "when".

Your risks of blood clots are about 8 times higher from covid than they are from the vaccine, in addition to all the other risks.

Just some things to think about it.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Received first AZ still recovering but it's not too bad only sore where needle went

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By *inchyorksMan
over a year ago

huddersfield

Had the first one, second booked for 5th July!

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By *mwirralMan
over a year ago

wirral

2nd one later today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't and won't be

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

I've had both and would happily take a 3rd booster.

Few points i would like to make.

Those that are refusing to have the vaccine what percentage have had a flu jab in the past. If so then why.

And what really annoys me is those who take the 1st vaccine then refuse the 2nd. Thats another day someone who wants it didn't really have to wait. It's actually completely selfishness to even do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I haven't and won't be"

You can obviously think for yourself and not do what the TV programing tells you to.

Smart guy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She's had both. I'll be having my second in a few weeks

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

Because as with anything the more time goes on the more supportive evidence comes out and can therefore mean people can and potentially will change their mind...

Continued follow up seems a sensible approach for the UK to take imo

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine

Why is mine or anyone else’s medical status for that matter a public matter? Nobody knows whether I have or haven’t and it will forever remain that way "

In the environment of swinging though surely people can be expected to be asked some questions at some point maybe?

There are people who may want to know about a covid jab just as they could about sexual health screening... Its a question for some that may help decide on who they meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine

Why is mine or anyone else’s medical status for that matter a public matter? Nobody knows whether I have or haven’t and it will forever remain that way

well it is if you are spreading the virus, but anyway i was just interested as to why people havent had it"

If he is spreading the virus,its only to people who don't want the vaccine,so people who've had the vaccine should be fine...shouldn't they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of us had had it one of us declined

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's get real here,lots of people say they got the vaccine to "do they bit because its they moral duty etc..."

Like fuck,most people who are getting it, are only getting it so it doesnt affect them going abroad,getting out socialising again etc...

I work in a place with a big big workforce,hundreds,and a lot of people I know say it's the right thing to do for everyone, I know some of these people well and they wouldnt help a stranger in need in the street,so its bullshit.

There will be genuine ones,but most are getting it for the above,not to do they moral duty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regardless of reason's why people are taking the vaccine,it is morally right

There's is no argument

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine

Why is mine or anyone else’s medical status for that matter a public matter? Nobody knows whether I have or haven’t and it will forever remain that way

well it is if you are spreading the virus, but anyway i was just interested as to why people havent had it

If he is spreading the virus,its only to people who don't want the vaccine,so people who've had the vaccine should be fine...shouldn't they?"

Are you serious. Have you watched the updates on the vaccine. Who told you the once somebody has had the vaccine they are 100 per cent protected and can't contract covid.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"Let's get real here,lots of people say they got the vaccine to "do they bit because its they moral duty etc..."

Like fuck,most people who are getting it, are only getting it so it doesnt affect them going abroad,getting out socialising again etc...

There will be genuine ones,but most are getting it for the above,not to do they moral duty."

Absolutely scandalous.

Personally i got both my jabs for myself only as i value my health. Granted yes it will also protect other to a degree but as for having it to go on holiday is an insult to those who have health conditions and require it to actually prolong thier lives.

I'm in remission for a cancer and i actually feel quite insulated.

P.s Can't wait for a sunbed

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Let's get real here,lots of people say they got the vaccine to "do they bit because its they moral duty etc..."

Like fuck,most people who are getting it, are only getting it so it doesnt affect them going abroad,getting out socialising again etc...

There will be genuine ones,but most are getting it for the above,not to do they moral duty."

I didn't care if they're doing it for better WiFi. Herd immunity is herd immunity.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine

Why is mine or anyone else’s medical status for that matter a public matter? Nobody knows whether I have or haven’t and it will forever remain that way

well it is if you are spreading the virus, but anyway i was just interested as to why people havent had it

If he is spreading the virus,its only to people who don't want the vaccine,so people who've had the vaccine should be fine...shouldn't they?"

What about people who have illnesses that prevent them having the vaccine? They don't have the choice, he's also potentially spreading it to them.

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

We have had both jabs and happy that we have protected ourselves and others

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By *exformeanytimeMan
over a year ago

London

Had one so far hopefully get the next one soon

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Well I do know people who have had Covid, I know people in the NHS and Care Sector who have had to deal with Covid and I know 2 people who died of Covid. Some people are lucky in that it hasn’t meant they have lost family & friends. Others like us, less so.

In reference to the ‘numbers’, all you have to do is look at excess deaths. Britain measures deaths on a rolling 5 year basis to get the average mortality rate. This is normally around 650,000 (approx), Since March 2020, 150,000 additional deaths have occured - referred to as Excess deaths. So roughly 20-25% increase in death. In a normal 5 year period, the fluctuation is 1-2% pervyear. So something big changed this year. Typically Flu will kill 15,000 per year and Flu has been well down due to lockdown, so the hypothesis is that Covid has caused the dramatic increase in deaths.

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had both. My second was yesterday. The 1st jab knocked me on my arse for a day. 2nd one was fine.

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By *ngie1962Couple
over a year ago

Bedford

I’ve had both of mine hubby has got his second one this Sunday just want to get back to normality don’t want to be in a lockdown .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was apprehensive with the prospect of reactions, particularly as I lost my wife to covid and I was worried that if anything happened as a result of me getting the jab that my sons would be left to fend for themselves but they both said I should get it and to my relief I was gives the Pfizer jab. That was about 6 weeks ago. Had a sore arm and a headache for a few days but otherwise fine.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

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. Or is it just that those who have had it and would have ended up seriously ill or dying already have??? I’m not knocking the vaccine if people want it let them have it. I for one do not believe the numbers they are very very very over inflated. I have decided not to have have the vaccine until it has been in circulation for at least 15 months as there are far to many little things come from vaccine use that are now having to be investigated. 128k covid deaths ( uk official government figure ) over 15 months is not that high.

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple
over a year ago

luton

We have had both now , better safe than sorry

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

. Or is it just that those who have had it and would have ended up seriously ill or dying already have??? I’m not knocking the vaccine if people want it let them have it. I for one do not believe the numbers they are very very very over inflated. I have decided not to have have the vaccine until it has been in circulation for at least 15 months as there are far to many little things come from vaccine use that are now having to be investigated. 128k covid deaths ( uk official government figure ) over 15 months is not that high. "

I remember hearing 20 000 deaths being cited as the best case scenario and being utterly horrified by the number being so high.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

Deaths are 20%+ higher than in a normal year - its not that high! This is more people dead than we have in the Army & Navy combined. Think about it, it is a lot of dead people. People that did not need to die

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

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so my problem with a figure like that is a massive % of it are all related to underlying health conditions and many of which ( and is very unfortunate) would have died with in 12 months. Interesting that deaths from the normal suspects such as flu and pneumonia and so on is down because covid had been put in the death certificate.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

so my problem with a figure like that is a massive % of it are all related to underlying health conditions and many of which ( and is very unfortunate) would have died with in 12 months. Interesting that deaths from the normal suspects such as flu and pneumonia and so on is down because covid had been put in the death certificate. "

I've seen zero credible evidence for that.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I remember hearing 20 000 deaths being cited as the best case scenario and being utterly horrified by the number being so high."
0.03%

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I've seen zero credible evidence for that."
really and yet you quote a 20% increase in death rate over a 15 month period based on the rolling 5 year average. With that information I would have thought you would have also found the rest ( or did you just reads headline and not do research )

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I've seen zero credible evidence for that. really and yet you quote a 20% increase in death rate over a 15 month period based on the rolling 5 year average. With that information I would have thought you would have also found the rest ( or did you just reads headline and not do research ) "

One, that wasn't me.

Two, when I want to find out I go directly to the source, in this case the ONS. I understand that there are professional and criminal implications for falsification of medical records like people claim is so widespread.

I don't rely on the media at all.

I know the difference between credible sources and not, so when I do my research (based on professional research standards and postgraduate training in critical thinking), I don't come out with nonsense.

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By *orny andy yorkMan
over a year ago

york

"Yes we've had both.

We respect it's a personal choice.

We will never knowingly meet with people who haven't for two reasons

1. Their outlook on life is incompatible with ours.

Except the vaccines have been tested and passed all relevant safety checks and death isn't the only negative outcome from covid. "
the vaccines are still classed as experimental and no one knows the long time effects

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By *il_angels_KinkMan
over a year ago

hillingdon

I’m SEVERELY needlephobic which my GP’s are fully aware of and have experienced for their own eyes when attempting to give me an injection. My GP’s and vaccine officials have recommended I don’t get the vaccine until an oral vaccine is approved (apparently currently in testing process). I’m a frontline worker and have worked all the way through this pandemic, we’re tested twice per week and has been negative every time, although I think I may have had it in November 2019, a lot of people had really bad coughs etc before C19 was even thought of. I personally don’t know of anyone who’s had it or died from it but feel for the families of those who have.

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By *orny andy yorkMan
over a year ago

york

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I don’t really see why people don’t have a vaccine now. They are way safer than having Covid. The odds of major side effects from Covid (death, blood clots, etc) is way higher than from the Vaccine. So if people are holding back because they think it is dangerous, just remember that Covid itself is way more dangerous. There are many reasons to explain excess deaths not just covid first of all the spike in deaths because the nhs sent the elderly back to care homes and rehab centres untested when the needed hospital treatment also we had excess people dying at home because of the mantra stay away from hospital don’t contact your go etc also lockdowns kill people . We have higher death rates in the last 30 years with a lower population and younger population. We can’t even trust the covid death figures because of the way they are recorded

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Was part of a vaccine clinical trial..

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By *2and3quartersWoman
over a year ago

Bumbletown

I’ve had my first jab. (Moderna)

I did have reservations about it as there’s no long term safety data. If I’d been of child bearing age, I may have made a different choice.

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By *erbyclubfunCouple
over a year ago

Derby

Wife had early as she was on the ECV list and had a spell in hospital when she caught Covid.

I've had my first AZ dose and just had a sore arm for an hour or so.

It was a very easy decision having seen how ill the wife had been and having lost someone to Covid. He was a little overweight and in his 50s and it got him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine "

I've had both too

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By * AND R 777Couple
over a year ago

Teesside

Probably because your doctor knows more about these things then you

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

So what is your point? Deaths have increased by 20%+ over a normal year. That is a fact. Do these people not matter to you, does another 12 months of their lives not count? So what research have you done?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine

Why is mine or anyone else’s medical status for that matter a public matter? Nobody knows whether I have or haven’t and it will forever remain that way

well it is if you are spreading the virus, but anyway i was just interested as to why people havent had it

If he is spreading the virus,its only to people who don't want the vaccine,so people who've had the vaccine should be fine...shouldn't they?

Are you serious. Have you watched the updates on the vaccine. Who told you the once somebody has had the vaccine they are 100 per cent protected and can't contract covid.

So why get something pumped in to your body that you dont know too much about if it doesnt protect you....that's the point I was stating,hence the "shouldn't they" sentence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had my first one a couple of weeks ago. Absolutely floored me for a week. Could hardly move off the sofa. I will still be getting the 2nd one though. It hasn't put me off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released. "

You could have caught covid by then!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released.

You could have caught covid by then! "

That's a chance I'll take,I know I've got a 99% chance of survival.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released.

You could have caught covid by then!

That's a chance I'll take,I know I've got a 99% chance of survival. "

Good luck!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released.

You could have caught covid by then!

That's a chance I'll take,I know I've got a 99% chance of survival.

Good luck! "

Why the animosity?...I've no problem with anyone getting the vaccine,I've just got my own reasons for not wanting it.

Also a lot of doctors and scientists state that if you've hot no underlying health issues and youre healthy,then you have a 99% chance of survival.....not my analysis,but that of the experts.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

You do know that survival and full recovery aren't the same thing, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You do know that survival and full recovery aren't the same thing, right?"

Let's hear it then.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"You do know that survival and full recovery aren't the same thing, right?

Let's hear it then."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/14/long-covid-uk-impact-society

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"You do know that survival and full recovery aren't the same thing, right?

Let's hear it then."

Well survival is you didn't die. Full recovery means you get entirely better. There's a lot of stuff in between. But I'm sure you can do your research and find out.

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By *hatty GuyMan
over a year ago

The Borough of St Peter

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine "

Had both now. The NHS is a national treasure.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine

Had both now. The NHS is a national treasure. "

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Feel much better since Sunday but I helped move things along by doing some weights for my arms to help with the circulation as movement is very important. Stretching regularly helps to just a little every so often.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Isn't this 99% suppose to be 99.1% the chances of

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Feel much better since Sunday but I helped move things along by doing some weights for my arms to help with the circulation as movement is very important. Stretching regularly helps to just a little every so often."

Yeah my arm was sore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You do know that survival and full recovery aren't the same thing, right?

Let's hear it then.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/14/long-covid-uk-impact-society"

I'm not even going to check that,the media are full of scare tactics.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"You do know that survival and full recovery aren't the same thing, right?

Let's hear it then.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/14/long-covid-uk-impact-society

I'm not even going to check that,the media are full of scare tactics."

1.1 million people suffering long Covid, more common in younger people and just as likely in mild disease. Many people do not make a full recovery, basically. It's there in academic papers too if you can be bothered. It's not as binary as live or die. There's a middle ground called "live with diminished quality of life and/or permanent health issues after Covid."

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"You do know that survival and full recovery aren't the same thing, right?

Let's hear it then.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/14/long-covid-uk-impact-society

I'm not even going to check that,the media are full of scare tactics."

So you won't even look at a source that people are allowed to link? (Most we can't here)

Obviously very open minded and concerned about your health

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

"You do know that survival and full recovery aren't the same thing, right?

Let's hear it then.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/14/long-covid-uk-impact-society

I'm not even going to check that,the media are full of scare tactics.

This is so true, my 40 year old "healthy" brother with no underlying health conditions now suffers heart palpitations and almost constant fatigue not than six months on from contracting a "mild" case of covid.

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

More than not "not than" sorry for the typo

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By *etwifeandhim69Couple
over a year ago

Darlington

Had our first jabs, waiting on 2nd.

Had multiple family members get covid. One to the point of being hospitalised from it, Had freinds lose family members to it and have a family member who worked on a covid ward who saw people die from it.

Will it effect everyone the same, bo obviously not but its n worth not taking it in our opinion.

Some of the people on here think they're special, know better or it's all a hoax or whatever but fact is, a virus dosent care what you think or how you feel about vaccines.

I preffer to take my information from actual medical experts and not random internet posts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So who has had the jab and who hasnt and wont no judgement please just incase u think iam against having the jab I have had both of mine "

I've had both and still alive

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By *ickleOurFancyCouple
over a year ago

Nearby

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Fair comment. I actually think there is something not right about this who pandemic. Especially it’s origins. "

Exactly - for me, I feel like a lot of things aren't quite right.

So for that reason, I'm out!

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By *mwirralMan
over a year ago

wirral

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Fair comment. I actually think there is something not right about this who pandemic. Especially it’s origins.

Exactly - for me, I feel like a lot of things aren't quite right.

So for that reason, I'm out!

I assume you don't know anyone who works at s hospital, as they would tell you it gas been absolutely awful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had our first jabs, waiting on 2nd.

Will it effect everyone the same, bo obviously not but its n worth not taking it in our opinion.

Some of the people on here think they're special, know better or it's all a hoax or whatever but fact is, a virus dosent care what you think or how you feel about vaccines.

I preffer to take my information from actual medical experts and not random internet posts.

"
what experts 2 members of sage have no medical qualifications? But are on the panel because they are vaccine planers but still have a say in who is vaccinated

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

We've both had our first shots.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Had our first jabs, waiting on 2nd.

Will it effect everyone the same, bo obviously not but its n worth not taking it in our opinion.

Some of the people on here think they're special, know better or it's all a hoax or whatever but fact is, a virus dosent care what you think or how you feel about vaccines.

I preffer to take my information from actual medical experts and not random internet posts.

what experts 2 members of sage have no medical qualifications? But are on the panel because they are vaccine planers but still have a say in who is vaccinated "

SAGE doesn't decide who receives the vaccines, that's the JCVI.

Most members of SAGE are scientists, not medical doctors. They have PhDs but not MMBS or equivalent. Ditto the JCVI.

Medical research is predominantly done by people who hold scientific qualifications in very specialised areas relating to medicine, eg virology, epidemiology, pharmacology.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released.

You could have caught covid by then!

That's a chance I'll take,I know I've got a 99% chance of survival.

Good luck!

Why the animosity?...I've no problem with anyone getting the vaccine,I've just got my own reasons for not wanting it.

Also a lot of doctors and scientists state that if you've hot no underlying health issues and youre healthy,then you have a 99% chance of survival.....not my analysis,but that of the experts. "

What you're conveniently ignoring is that the outcome from catching Covid isnt simply death or survival. Long Covid is a "thing". A close friend of mine, late 50s, no underlying conditions ended up in ICU and now, 5 months later is completely f&cked. Permanent lung damage and a heart condition are what Covid has gifted him. There are tens of thousands with long covid and theyre not just those people who are elderly, frail or had underlying conditions in the first place.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"Had our first jabs, waiting on 2nd.

Will it effect everyone the same, bo obviously not but its n worth not taking it in our opinion.

Some of the people on here think they're special, know better or it's all a hoax or whatever but fact is, a virus dosent care what you think or how you feel about vaccines.

I preffer to take my information from actual medical experts and not random internet posts.

what experts 2 members of sage have no medical qualifications? But are on the panel because they are vaccine planers but still have a say in who is vaccinated "

What asolute tosh. You have no idea whatsoever about SAGE or the sub committees or the qualifications and expertise of those who sit on these panels. You clearly have no idea either about how the vaccination priorities were drawn either. It's your right to refuse the vaccine but trying to justify that decision with made up twaddle is neither big nor clever.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released.

You could have caught covid by then!

That's a chance I'll take,I know I've got a 99% chance of survival.

Good luck!

Why the animosity?...I've no problem with anyone getting the vaccine,I've just got my own reasons for not wanting it.

Also a lot of doctors and scientists state that if you've hot no underlying health issues and youre healthy,then you have a 99% chance of survival.....not my analysis,but that of the experts. "

How is saying good luck having animosity?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Fair comment. I actually think there is something not right about this who pandemic. Especially it’s origins.

Exactly - for me, I feel like a lot of things aren't quite right.

So for that reason, I'm out!

I assume you don't know anyone who works at s hospital, as they would tell you it gas been absolutely awful"

I spoke to two people months ago,and they said it isn't how the news is portraying it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released.

You could have caught covid by then!

That's a chance I'll take,I know I've got a 99% chance of survival.

Good luck!

Why the animosity?...I've no problem with anyone getting the vaccine,I've just got my own reasons for not wanting it.

Also a lot of doctors and scientists state that if you've hot no underlying health issues and youre healthy,then you have a 99% chance of survival.....not my analysis,but that of the experts.

But theres people who've had covid and are perfectly fine,so just like the jabs,its a chance people can make.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any reason you’re against it mate ( not here to knock you)

Just believing the numbers are ‘wrong’, or doubting them only shows an inability to look at simple facts and understand the basics. Covid kills.

The other side of this is that since the vaccines have been provided, the death rate has dropped dramatically. So the vaccines work & they save peoples lives.

I'm the same,I'm not against getting it,in time I will no doubt,but not at the moment with how quick it's been released.

You could have caught covid by then!

That's a chance I'll take,I know I've got a 99% chance of survival.

Good luck!

Why the animosity?...I've no problem with anyone getting the vaccine,I've just got my own reasons for not wanting it.

Also a lot of doctors and scientists state that if you've hot no underlying health issues and youre healthy,then you have a 99% chance of survival.....not my analysis,but that of the experts.

How is saying good luck having animosity?

Dont insult,come on,you know what that was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had both of mine. Hopefully soon we can move on from covid and get our lives back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was talking to a good friend of mine the other day, who has been a Sister on a Covid ward for several months (hence I haven't seen her). What she's been through is utterly horrific and she now seems to be suffering from PTSD.

Her telling me, as she fought back the tears, of the numerous times she had to hold up phones for families to say goodbye to their dying relative on Zoom, was heartbreaking. The 14 hour shifts without a break (in full PPE), the endless sounds of people gasping for air, the never-ending cycle of resus. All of it was absolutely terrible. "It was like a war zone", she said.

When you hear this, how can you refuse the vaccine? We owe it to her and her colleagues, we owe it to the bereaved families - and we owe it to everyone in our community.

Stay safe everyone. Just get your jabs. Please.

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By *orny andy yorkMan
over a year ago

york

"I was talking to a good friend of mine the other day, who has been a Sister on a Covid ward for several months (hence I haven't seen her). What she's been through is utterly horrific and she now seems to be suffering from PTSD.

When you hear this, how can you refuse the vaccine? We owe it to her and her colleagues, we owe it to the bereaved families - and we owe it to everyone in our community.

Stay safe everyone. Just get your jabs. Please."
to be fair sounds likes exaggerating I know many people who’ve worked on hot wards and they say it’s not like that and I was in a hot ward myself at the beginning of this as a patient and it’s not like that

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By *igdick197240Man
over a year ago

Blackburn

I’ve had mine and second 1 in June

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had both

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By *mooth tongue 4uMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

Had one ( no reaction) awaiting the second , and gladly take a third

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By *etwifeandhim69Couple
over a year ago

Darlington

"Had our first jabs, waiting on 2nd.

Will it effect everyone the same, bo obviously not but its n worth not taking it in our opinion.

Some of the people on here think they're special, know better or it's all a hoax or whatever but fact is, a virus dosent care what you think or how you feel about vaccines.

I preffer to take my information from actual medical experts and not random internet posts.

what experts 2 members of sage have no medical qualifications? But are on the panel because they are vaccine planers but still have a say in who is vaccinated "

Like I said, I dont get my information from random facebook posts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both here. 2nd was Tuesday. No after effects either time....unless being horny counts??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We refuse to take part in this gene therapy experiment.

We are happy and confident that our own immune systems are strong enough.

We dont want or need any treatment for something that has such minuscule mortality rate.

Being so unselfish, we donate our jabs to those who have been convinced by the telly that they need one.

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By *orny andy yorkMan
over a year ago

york

"Had our first jabs, waiting on 2nd.

Will it effect everyone the same, bo obviously not but its n worth not taking it in our opinion.

Some of the people on here think they're special, know better or it's all a hoax or whatever but fact is, a virus dosent care what you think or how you feel about vaccines.

I preffer to take my information from actual medical experts and not random internet posts.

what experts 2 members of sage have no medical qualifications? But are on the panel because they are vaccine planers but still have a say in who is vaccinated

Like I said, I dont get my information from random facebook posts."
most of sage are behavioural experts or phycologists and not all experts agree with the government narrative on covid

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"We refuse to take part in this gene therapy experiment.

We are happy and confident that our own immune systems are strong enough.

We dont want or need any treatment for something that has such minuscule mortality rate.

Being so unselfish, we donate our jabs to those who have been convinced by the telly that they need one. "

Good of you to donate but you are doing it under a misunderstanding. The vaccine is not gene therapy.

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By *oroRick1027Man
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

Had both of mine

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

Had my first one, no side effects, now eagerly awaiting my second.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having second tomorrow ( birthday) sore arm with first but all ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Turned it down for now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have had both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had both doses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had my first jab waiting for second ,personally wouldn’t have bothered having it at all as survival rate is high.But think it’s the cheapest way of being able to travel abroad.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Had my first jab waiting for second ,personally wouldn’t have bothered having it at all as survival rate is high.But think it’s the cheapest way of being able to travel abroad."

I'm sure you just forgot to mention that it's also the best way of protecting our country as a whole

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had my first jab waiting for second ,personally wouldn’t have bothered having it at all as survival rate is high.But think it’s the cheapest way of being able to travel abroad.

I'm sure you just forgot to mention that it's also the best way of protecting our country as a whole

Tighter border controls and a more decisive government would have probably protected our country better,but I’m a more of a live and let die person.

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By *ambi n thumperCouple
over a year ago

Rugeley

I have had both of my jabs (Pfizer) 1st was in January for my job.....my job that I am still off sick from due to.contracting covid in December. I may not have died from covid but it has left me with issues that I have no idea how long they will last. I had minimal side effects from the jab, sore arm headache and just felt like I had a cold for 48hrs

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

Had both.

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By *asyrider58Man
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Had both jabs

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Some people screaming selfishness and abomination on those that refuse the jab, but you can't force people to take it, if they don't want it.

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

This thread is really giving my block button a workout.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am 50 and no not had a jab and never will. This isn't China or North Korea we have a freedom to choose. Boris says jump and everyone says how high ...well not me!

Smokers still kill millions of people with second hand smoke.Have they banned it ? No because it makes money and the only reason Boris and his SS crew don't like covid is because they can't tax it.

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By *astlincscoupleCouple
over a year ago

Tinsel Town

"This thread is really giving my block button a workout.

Until the virus forum gets removed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve got my second jab this afternoon, had no problems after the first one,

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"This thread is really giving my block button a workout.

Until the virus forum gets removed

I think they should hold onto it. If only as a holding pen for the absolute weapons that would otherwise spill out on to the rest of the forums.

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By *astlincscoupleCouple
over a year ago

Tinsel Town

"This thread is really giving my block button a workout.

Until the virus forum gets removed

I think they should hold onto it. If only as a holding pen for the absolute weapons that would otherwise spill out on to the rest of the forums.

But you know that won't happen, and it still won't change the mind of those that still don't want the jab.

We have had ours done, as most of our family.

How others live thier life is entirely up to them.

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"This thread is really giving my block button a workout.

Until the virus forum gets removed

I think they should hold onto it. If only as a holding pen for the absolute weapons that would otherwise spill out on to the rest of the forums.

But you know that won't happen, and it still won't change the mind of those that still don't want the jab.

We have had ours done, as most of our family.

How others live thier life is entirely up to them."

How others live their lives is entirely up to them right up until they start making choices that harm or endanger other people, at which point things – like everything else in life – get rather more complicated.

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By *ristoltwoCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

There are some downsides

The data for Coronavirus mRNA jabs is updated weekly at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

Report 13th May 2021

Pfizer – Total adverse reactions 165986 and 374 deaths

AstraZenica - Total adverse reactions 650681 and 786 deaths

These are the short term effects, which are know.

For longer term problems (thus far unknown unknown) perhaps consider this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyPjAfNNA-U&t=65s

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"There are some downsides

The data for Coronavirus mRNA jabs is updated weekly at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

Report 13th May 2021

Pfizer – Total adverse reactions 165986 and 374 deaths

AstraZenica - Total adverse reactions 650681 and 786 deaths

These are the short term effects, which are know.

For longer term problems (thus far unknown unknown) perhaps consider this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyPjAfNNA-U&t=65s

Sounds better than Covid.

Sounds better than spreading Covid to others.

Looking forward to my next jab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had Both

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